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I'm seeing something really ugly and
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really hurtful online. And I
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know it's hurtful not only because
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it hurts and stings me to
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see it, but everywhere I go
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I have people asking me about
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it and talking to me about
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it. In essence, a die-hard
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voters for Kamala Harris. And
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I'm particularly seeing black voters
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for Kamala Harris say these
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things, but not just black
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voters, but primarily black
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voters. posting videos showing how
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they no longer care about Gaza
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like you know showing themselves
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saying hey you know I'm gonna
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start drinking my Starbucks again
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I'm gonna start eating at
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McDonald's again like showing themselves
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at Starbucks or McDonald's and
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in essence saying like you
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don't care about us we don't
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care about you and I just need
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to unpack and explain this for a
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little bit I'm gonna the term I've
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never heard this term before. I'm
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coining this term right now. I
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want to call it
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transactional activism. I think
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it's actually uglier than
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that, but let me
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call it transactional activism.
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And I'll unpack and explain
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what I mean, but I've
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seen some stuff that's really
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vile, actually. Let's talk about
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it. This is Sean King.
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And you were listening, too?
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The breakdown. All
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over the internet
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I'm seeing this
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on on TikTok
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on every social
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media platform on
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Twitter, on every
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social media platform,
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on Twitter, on
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every social media
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platform, on Twitter,
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on Facebook, on
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Instagram. Kamala Harris lost
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and let's just be clear
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now. She lost every single
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swing state. She lost a
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popular vote. And she didn't
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win a single state by
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any bigger margin than Joe
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Biden won. In fact, she
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lost every state by a
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larger margin and won by
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smaller margins. So she underperformed
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Joe Biden in every possible
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way. Trump overperformed Joe Biden
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in every possible way. And
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it also appears that Democrats
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are going to lose the
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House, the Senate, and the
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presidency. Like a complete political
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bloodbath. And afterwards, you know,
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people always, when there's a
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loss of any kind, I've
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taught this principle. When there's
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a loss, people will lash
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out. And they normally will
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lash out, not at the
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people that they actually should
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blame. Like the number one
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people that voted for Donald
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Trump were white men and
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the number two people that
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voted for Donald Trump were
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white women. And it's not
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even close. Like there's no
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other demographic that's closer than
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those two. So if you
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woke up the next morning
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being mad that Kamala lost
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and you were mad at
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one, anybody other than Kamala,
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anybody other than Joe Biden.
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anybody other than the Democratic
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Party, or anybody other than
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the main people that voted
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for Donald Trump, which far
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and away, the overwhelming majority
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of his voters were white
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men, and then a close
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second, white women. The majority
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of the supermajority of white
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men and women voted for
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Donald Trump. And so if
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you woke up the day
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after election day after election
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day, mad at Muslims,
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mad somehow mad at Palestinians,
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whose people are... suffering an
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enormous genocide, mad at Mexicans,
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mad at immigrants, mad at
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anyone, other than the candidate
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herself or even feasibly Donald
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Trump, I propose, but really
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mad at the people that
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voted for him, why are
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you mad at a tiny
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percentage of people? That said,
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listen, I'm sorry, but... The
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genocide that the Biden Harris
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administration has overseen is too
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much for me. And anybody
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who has overseen that genocide,
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I won't vote for them.
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If it was Donald Trump
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as president, they would not
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have voted for him. But
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it was Kamala Harris. And
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so Muslims did not vote
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for her in huge numbers.
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But those numbers, like when
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we talk about the percentage
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of people who are Muslims
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in America, Those numbers are
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tiny. We're talking about like
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2% of America. You know,
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white people were literally like
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85% of Trump's voters. But
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you somehow woke up the
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next morning mad at Mexicans
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and Muslims. What that means,
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like, let me explain what
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you're doing. This is its
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own form of white supremacy.
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consciously or unconsciously have decided
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to protect white people. You
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consciously or unconsciously, you have
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decided to protect the main
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people that voted for Donald
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Trump, the main people that
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are at his rallies, the
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main people that donate to
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him, the main people that
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support him, you have no
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problem with him. But the
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microscopic number of people that
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opted not to vote for
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Kamala. All of a sudden,
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you woke up the next
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day. creating memes, taunting people.
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I literally see people saying
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like listen I'll never fight
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for another Palestinian again. Like
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that's a quote. And I
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saw versions of that dozens
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of times. Primarily from black
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folk, young and old. Saying
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listen, listen, I'm done fighting
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against this. They don't fight
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for us, we won't fight
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for them. And the generous
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term that I'm going to
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give that is transactional activism.
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And what I mean by
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that is to say like,
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hey, I was only fighting
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for Palestinians because I thought
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I expected something in return.
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I was only speaking up
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against this genocide because I
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thought you were going to
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support Kamala Harris if I
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did so. I was only
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supporting this genocide because I
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thought later you would vote
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the way I demand you
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vote. That's called transactional activism.
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I'm supporting you, but the
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moment you do something that
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irritates me or don't do
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something I want, not only
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will I pull my support,
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but I'll mock you publicly.
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And my wife noticed some
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of the worst things being
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said were literally straight from
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Zionist. Like if... You didn't
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see the face of the
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people posting the things they
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were posting about Muslims and
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Palestinians. And listen, these weren't
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fake accounts. Like these were
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real people on their real
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accounts, often going very viral
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and often saying it with
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huge support. If you didn't
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know that these were black
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folk, you'd be like, oh,
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these are white supremacists saying
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this. Oh, these are Islamafolds.
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Oh, these are Zionist. This
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must be Israeli scientists posting
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these things. And if what
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you're saying is, you no
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longer care about genocide. because
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somebody opted not to
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vote for Kamala, then something's
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wrong with you. If that's how
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you choose to speak out against
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genocide, like if genocide
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is transactional for you, like,
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hey, I'll speak out against
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genocide, but you have to vote
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for my candidate, otherwise I
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don't actually care about
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the genocide. That's disgusting.
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And that's exactly what I see.
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Like, let me be real. The
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post that people are making
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are grossly offensive. I'm not,
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if there's somebody saying like,
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man, it actually stings. Like
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if somebody substantively, honestly,
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earnestly is saying,
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man, it hurts me to see
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people bail out on Kamala Harris,
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then let's talk about that. It
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shouldn't hurt you. I can tell you
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why I hope you understand it.
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But if somebody said that, that's
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different. Or if somebody really
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said it, what people should be
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saying is, listen, the Democratic
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Party bombed. Bombed in supporting,
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forgive my use of the word
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bombed in this illustration,
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the Democratic Party completely
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blew it in this election.
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When you lose the House, the Senate,
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the presidency, and it's not
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close, I mean, that's a
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catastrophic failure. And the
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thing people should be saying
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is, listen, we need to talk
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about the people who feel betrayed
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by the Democratic Party. You
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know, Bernie Sanders is
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now, as Bernie always is, he's
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in hot water. Because he said,
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listen, the Democratic Party
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bailed out on working class
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people. And he said, you know,
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white people felt that way first.
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And white working class people
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bailing out on the party.
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And, and, you know, what he could have
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said is he could have thrown Muslim voters
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in there as well. Working class. Muslim
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voters like listen that party
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is not for me and
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and we live in this
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ridiculous two-party system and so
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a lot of people chose
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the other party who they
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will find is also not
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for them and whose fault
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is that that's the fault
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of the Democratic Party be
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better do better stand for
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more that this isn't a
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party against genocide in principle
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The Democratic Party is afraid
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to even call it a
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genocide. Not only are they
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afraid to be against this
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genocide, no parties more for
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it. Like they are gung
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whole for this thing. And
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so I'm deeply disturbed by
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the whole thing. And it's
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sad and disgusting. And let
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me close by telling you
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something beautiful. Two of my
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very best friends in the
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world. happened to be Muslims
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who are also Palestinian Americans.
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And I'm speaking of my
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mom, Sheikh Omar Suleman, and
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my dear friend, Sister Linda
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Sarsor. And I met both
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Linda and Imam Omar protesting
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for black folk, both of
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them. Protesting against police brutality.
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And never one time. Did
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Linda or Imam Omar Mar
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ever say, no Sean, now
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that I just protested for
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you, now that I just
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showed up at a protest
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for African Americans, now that
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I just showed up at
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a protest against police brutality,
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you need to vote the
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way I expect you to
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vote. Or you need to
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show up for a protest
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against Palestinians. Never, not once,
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did either of them. And
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I've known them both. for
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10 years and have worked
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closely with them both. Dozens
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of times. I've done events
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with them. I've traveled with
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them. Now, never did they
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ever even suggest that they
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then wanted me to support
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their most important causes or
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issues or candidates or anything.
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There was no expectation. It
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was the opposite of transactional
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activism. They showed up to
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protest police brutality because police
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brutality is wrong They showed
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up to protest against Brianna
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Taylor because Brianna Taylor's murder
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was wrong Because the murder
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of Amad Arbury was wrong
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Because police brutality is wrong
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because mass incarceration is evil
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They showed up with no
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expectation and when I say
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showed up Linda literally moved
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herself to Louisville to support
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the family of Brianna Taylor.
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Linda's not black. Linda's not
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a black woman. She's not
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an African-American voter. She moved
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herself to Louisville. Which of
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you, who are now saying,
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listen, I don't even care
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about genocide anymore, which of
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you did what she did?
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What have you done that
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matches her sacrifice, her effort?
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Her energy protesting police
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brutality which among you
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has done more for
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Palestine than he has
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against police brutality? This
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man has given his
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entire life fighting for
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civil rights and human
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rights and never once
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did he ask me
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or anybody else to
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do something in return
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offered to remove his
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support if we didn't
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do it. It's disgusting.
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Be principled. Be better,
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stand for something. Do
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you not understand? I'm
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speaking, I'm speaking to
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any of my black
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listeners right now. Do
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you not understand that
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the best among us
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are dear brothers, Nelson
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Mandela, Malcolm X, Q.
14:21
Q.P. Newton, stood with
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Palestinians, went to Palestine,
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supported to Palestine, supported
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them, supported them, Love
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them, fought for them. Like,
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what are you trying to
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say? Are you trying to
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say that Muhammad Ali and
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Malcolm X and Nelson Mandela
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and Huey P. Newton, the
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Black Panther Party, are you
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saying they got it wrong
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too? I need you to
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understand that black folk around
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the world have been standing
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with Palestine before 99% of
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you were born. Before I
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was born, black folk all
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over the world were standing
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with Palestine. So how dare
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you take an arrogant photo
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of yourself eating a McDonald's
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cheeseburger saying, you know, so
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much for that boycott, you
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don't vote for Kamel, I
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don't support you. What? Go
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eat your McDonald's. Nobody's begging
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for your support. All we're
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asking is that you be
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principled. And even that's up
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to you. I'll be right
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back here tomorrow. Take care
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everybody.
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