Cthulhu Cthommentary: Re-Animator (1985)

Cthulhu Cthommentary: Re-Animator (1985)

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Program's Cthulhu Cathetery Arcane Advent.

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Every Friday in December, they're throwing

3:46

a log on the fire and

3:49

discussing the finest in Lovecraftian cinema.

3:51

And they're going to keep us all warm as

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we wade through the long winter between new series

3:55

of the show. In the prior

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installment of Cthulhu Cathetery Mystery Program's Cthulhu Cathetery, the

4:00

showrunner Cat Blackard confessed that

4:02

she'd never seen Re-Animator, arguably

4:05

the most beloved adaptation of an HP Lovecraft

4:07

story ever to hit the silver screen, and

4:10

the first film to bring together

4:12

Stuart Gordon, Brian Yuzna, and Dennis

4:14

Powley, the team responsible for many

4:16

classic Lovecraftian film adaptations, including From

4:19

Beyond, which was the subject of

4:21

last week's arcane advent. Well,

4:24

now at long last Omni vs. Mother

4:26

Brain will set right this grave oversight

4:29

and bear witness to this integral

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peace in the Lovecraftian cinema tapestry,

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and you are there to hear

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for yourselves the changed woman on

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the other side of this experience.

4:41

She and keeper Luke Stramm are joined

4:43

in this episode by special guest Doug

4:45

Banks, who mystery program listeners will recall

4:48

as Hank Jr. in the Black Birth,

4:50

and you may also know him as

4:52

one of Omni vs. key creatives. Lead

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storyteller of this series, Kate was here,

4:57

and architect of

4:59

many cinematic role-playing experiences.

5:02

It's Doug's first time too, bathing

5:05

in the green glow of the reagent.

5:08

Join them now as they share

5:10

their findings in Lovecraftian cinema studies

5:13

and make morbid merriment in this

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Cthulhu cathetery arcane advent.

5:25

Do you hear

5:28

that? Then the

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cruel blackness of night and

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unknowable evil from Beyond time

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cries out. What

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dark deeds unfold on the streets

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of Arkham, and which

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unwitting souls, innocent or impure,

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will succumb to the maddening

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call, the call of

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Cthulhu. Welcome

5:54

to Cthulhu Cosomentary. Hi, I'm Cat. Hi,

5:56

I'm Luke. And with us we have

5:59

a special guest. Guess this could

6:01

commentary it's Doug Banks. What's up? We

6:03

have watched Reanimator

6:05

the best-known HP Lovecraft

6:07

film adaptation of all time

6:10

Maybe I don't know about color out of

6:12

space now But certainly this one is known

6:14

to be a cult movie like as a

6:16

cult favorite Definitely a high watermark and the

6:19

movie comedy horror early high watermark, too. Yeah

6:22

This is the film that established

6:24

the kind of pattern and troop

6:26

and in group of Stuart Gordon

6:29

Brian Yosna slash Jeffrey Combs

6:31

sometimes like sort of like

6:34

stable of Lovecraft film adaptations

6:36

and of course put Jeffrey

6:38

Combs on the map as a Star

6:41

of camp horror cinema. Yeah well

6:44

reserved perfect casting for this movie

6:46

Yeah Now while I was on the fence about his

6:48

performance in from beyond as soon as he

6:50

hit the screen with reanimator I got it

6:53

I mean It's a completely different style of

6:55

performance and one that is highly calculated and

6:57

it was immediate You know last time I

6:59

I expressed a little bit like I don't

7:01

really say I don't really see it I don't get it but like this time.

7:03

Oh, no, it was absolutely

7:07

Perfect and his portrayal of

7:09

Herbert West in the stiffness

7:11

the beautiful science boy autism

7:14

of his characterization of

7:16

Herbert West is Absolutely

7:18

outstanding. He loves two things science

7:22

and Dan At

7:24

first he was a little antagonistic, but right

7:27

at that turning point where he becomes

7:29

part of the experiment It's like oh, no, this is

7:31

our experiment now Yeah,

7:33

the things escalated quickly Once

7:36

once that little like brotherhood

7:38

of science boys was sort

7:40

of stumbled into So, of

7:42

course, we have Jeffrey Combs as Herbert West

7:44

Bruce Abbott as Dan Cain and

7:46

then Barbara Crampton as Megan

7:48

Halsey are the Three

7:50

hero leads. Meanwhile, David

7:52

Gale is dr. Carl Hill the

7:55

lead antagonist and resident

7:58

pervert Mesmerist pervert

8:01

Dr. Carl Hill. Yeah,

8:03

and depending on which version of Reanimator you're

8:05

watching, it has an effect on how much of

8:07

a mesmerist pervert he is. He's a pervert in

8:09

all of them, but some of them that's

8:12

kind of dialed back a bit. Like it's

8:14

in the director's cut where you kind of see

8:16

a little more of that. Yeah, something that's called

8:18

the integral cut, which came out in 2013.

8:21

That's what we watched. And it

8:23

adds an extra like 15 minutes

8:26

of footage. Something that's added in

8:28

just serves to... It serves the plot. Yeah,

8:30

it serves the plot. It adds in interesting

8:32

details and it definitely ups the

8:34

ante on the film you knew you were watching

8:36

all along. This

8:39

is definitely a horror comedy masterpiece.

8:41

For every issue I had with From Beyond, there was

8:43

many things to like about From Beyond. Reanimator

8:46

is start to stop

8:49

a wild ride that never

8:51

gets boring, always stays fun, and is

8:54

consistently gross and weird throughout.

8:57

Granted, of course, there's plenty of like

8:59

horrible weird rapey stuff in it, but

9:01

it also all kind of like everybody

9:03

gets their comeuppance. It all kind of

9:05

serves... It seems to stop short before

9:07

it really gets bad. Yeah, it's got

9:09

great timing. It's creepy, but it

9:12

serves one of the best hero entrances. At

9:16

no point does the film as many horror films

9:18

are guilty of doing, for some reason, seem like

9:20

it's asking you as an audience

9:22

member to participate in the terrible things happening on screen. In

9:25

Reanimator, you know that these things should not be

9:27

happening and are very bad. It

9:30

was able to take the unfortunate

9:32

trope of rape scenes and be

9:34

movies and make it truly repulsive.

9:37

Obviously, Reanimator is a Lovecraft story.

9:39

It is kind of considered a

9:41

novella. It was a bunch

9:43

of serialized work released in

9:45

magazines between October 1921 and June Kind

9:50

of in his earlier period where a lot of

9:52

stuff at that time was more like

9:55

weird science than what we think of of

9:57

like the do the mythos stuff. And

10:00

it was something that Lovecraft

10:02

doesn't like a lot of his own material,

10:04

but apparently this one was something he especially didn't like

10:06

and just did for the money. He was getting $5

10:09

an installment, which I haven't done the math

10:11

– I usually do the math for on cathomontary. I can do

10:13

that real quick. What year did it –? I think it was

10:15

about 21 and 22. So in 1928, $10 was around $100, which

10:18

is how much is still paid for Lot X. So

10:24

that would be – I don't

10:26

know what the 21 to 28

10:28

currency difference could possibly be, but basically

10:30

he's getting $50 a story. So

10:33

that's fine. That's pretty good. Yeah, well,

10:35

especially lower cost of living and everything. Yeah,

10:38

and down and out Howard Lovecraft. According to

10:40

the inflation calculator, it's closer to about $75.

10:42

Here, we'll crank this out. Yeah,

10:46

and he wasn't happy about having to end

10:48

all of them in cliffhangers, but that's kind

10:50

of very strongly a part of it. And

10:52

before I get into how it ties into

10:54

the movie, just kind of an interesting little

10:56

side note as to how the story has

10:58

a weird connection to Cthulhu Mystery

11:00

Program, which is a big chunk of

11:03

reanimator. It actually takes place in Bolton,

11:06

which is the town with the tannery. And

11:08

that's one of the things is like,

11:10

West and his unnamed assistant actually

11:12

end up after they kind of

11:14

graduate and everything. They move

11:17

out to Bolton because Bolton is

11:19

a town with a lot of poor immigrants and things working

11:21

in the mills. They don't have

11:23

healthcare because they're poor. So

11:26

they can give inexpensive healthcare and they can see

11:28

all these people and treat all these people that

11:30

aren't being otherwise treated, and they have easy access

11:32

to bodies. But that also slides

11:34

into the fact that the story version of

11:36

Herbert West is a bit darker because it's

11:38

around that time also that the assistant finds

11:40

out that Herbert has killed somebody to

11:43

get access to a body. So there's kind of

11:45

a similar thing of

11:47

people disappearing from the unfortunate

11:50

town of Bolton, Massachusetts. Yeah,

11:53

I think that's a lovely detail.

11:55

One that surprisingly didn't come up

11:58

in chithometry. past

12:00

so here I totally actually forgotten about it

12:02

until the most recent reread of the of

12:04

the story well your Lovecraftian gears

12:06

are always turning and the secrets even

12:09

surprise you sometimes exactly also

12:11

this is the first time that Miskatonic

12:14

University shows up in his writings oh

12:16

I didn't realize this the first one

12:18

cool the actual chronology of when his

12:21

stories were written is pretty fuzzy in

12:23

my head so yeah this

12:25

plot has many pieces

12:27

from the short stories but

12:31

is definitely not a straight-up

12:33

adaptation in any regard the

12:36

short stories tend to have these pretty significant

12:38

time jumps they're very much set in

12:40

the time and place that that they

12:42

were written around there's stuff during World War

12:44

one and a typhoid outbreak and stuff like that so

12:47

this which is like contemporary 1980s

12:50

film it takes place in and around a

12:52

hospital and a university

12:54

hospital specifically I suppose is

12:56

you know it's all rather different but

12:58

but there are actually some significant things

13:00

that are similar between the two of

13:02

them how would you say

13:05

the characterization of Herbert West differs for one

13:07

he's definitely a darker character in the short

13:09

story like by the end of it he's

13:11

kind of getting his comeuppance and and just

13:13

kind of crossed too many lines in

13:15

the movie he's a little more sympathetic

13:17

like maybe he killed

13:19

that cat maybe not but like even

13:22

his one murder in this when

13:25

he kills dr. Hall

13:27

it's not for the purposes

13:29

of reanimating him initially like he hates

13:31

an uncreative plagiarist threaten to kill his

13:33

friend yeah exactly yeah like it's not

13:36

until he's like yeah threatening to kill

13:38

Dan that that that Herbert's kind of

13:40

moved to action so he's much more

13:42

sympathetic in this one and

13:45

it's interesting that he's clearly

13:47

not like everybody else he's very

13:49

definitely neurodivergent and a lot of

13:51

the characters the other characters spend

13:53

a lot of time telling him

13:55

sometimes completely unprovoked that he's crazy

13:58

there's plenty of reasons you could say that Pull.

14:01

But mostly there's a lot of people just putting

14:03

him down and he seems to like he lets

14:05

it all slide because he knows what he's

14:07

doing is important or at the very least revolutionary

14:09

and extremely single minded. There are

14:11

enough times in this movie where he

14:13

suggests to do something ridiculous

14:16

and crazy. But

14:18

if you give it that split second thought you go. He's

14:21

kind of right. He's like

14:23

we have to do this now otherwise you know whatever.

14:25

It's like yeah the longer you

14:27

wait the worse this gets so maybe

14:29

he's right. And yeah they did such

14:32

a great job of having

14:34

you on the fence about his motivations for pretty

14:36

much the whole movie to where you never fully

14:38

trust him and you also never fully think he's

14:40

a bad guy because there's someone way worse than

14:42

him. Yeah they even joke about

14:44

it's like you're as bad as Dr. Hill. No

14:46

I don't think so. And

14:49

considering what Dr. Hill ends up doing oh

14:51

he's fucking right. Yeah. Yeah. Well

14:53

I think that's kind of like a whole extra theme

14:55

that the movie has that the original doesn't is that

14:57

you know there's kind of this this aspect of like

15:00

almost like artistic creativeness against

15:03

this like you know entrenched dull power

15:05

structure between like the Dean and Dr.

15:07

Hill. Yeah there's

15:09

a lot of like obsessive patriarchal rigidity

15:13

that like that is immediately like the

15:15

core conflict of the film is about

15:18

like a person in power who is

15:20

a like control freak

15:22

pervert. And also deeply

15:24

entrenched in maintaining that status quo. Yeah.

15:27

And the moment you know West

15:29

shows up and starts even granted

15:31

he was abrasive. Yeah. Yeah. Herbert

15:33

West is a dick. Yeah he

15:35

was a dick but

15:37

you think if someone someone like Dr. Hall

15:40

before you know what he's really like he

15:42

is first you need to be just like

15:44

you know a professor and he's like a

15:46

surgeon and supposedly a genius. And when

15:49

Herbert West shows up and is like oh your

15:51

theories are outdated whatever being a dick true but

15:54

you think another doctor be like well really where did you get

15:56

that information like where do you know what in from you know

15:58

you're saying that the this is behind the scenes. Someone

26:00

should probably try doing it again, I think. So

26:02

you got to go out to Hollywood and you got to do

26:04

this as a feature film. So obviously

26:07

it worked. He hooked up with Empire Pictures

26:09

and Brian Yessna and here we are. But

26:11

the degrees to which the characters seem to

26:14

pop I think is entirely because they were

26:16

worked on for years prior to this. Whereas

26:18

From Beyond had a very fast turnaround. So

26:20

this is the much tighter film between the

26:22

two of them by a lot, while From

26:24

Beyond has some really cool things that happened

26:26

in it. The characters were just very calculated

26:29

at this movie and its budget makes a

26:31

lot more sense when you pitch it as

26:33

a adaptation of a

26:35

stage play rather than an

26:37

adaptation of a set of stories. You know

26:40

what I mean? They focus really around three

26:42

locations for the whole thing. And that easily

26:44

can be put onto a stage, limited number

26:46

of characters, practical kind of old school

26:49

effects that you could do on stage for a lot

26:51

of it at least. I

26:53

can see that now as opposed to just sort of like,

26:55

oh we just really like these stories. Here's a little bit

26:57

of money. Do with what you can. Seeing how it is

26:59

fairly streamlined because of that. Now

27:01

it was almost rated X, which is

27:03

why the cuts happened. And there are

27:05

also some cuts that happened for time.

27:08

Like the weird detail of Dr. Hill's

27:10

mesmerism, it's a very strange component. It

27:12

explains a lot. It does.

27:14

It makes the third act work really

27:16

well. And if that was missing,

27:18

it's kind of awkward the way it

27:20

comes into the story early on in

27:23

the full uncut version. But without

27:25

it, the ending would seem so

27:27

much more like un-bred. And characters

27:29

would react weirdly. Like the

27:31

Dean, suddenly the next day being

27:34

like, I don't like you. And you're just like, oh

27:36

Dr. Hill must have gotten to him. And it's like what

27:38

the hell does that even mean? But then when you know

27:41

the backstory and you see these deleted scenes recut into the

27:43

film and you're like, oh no. We know exactly how he

27:45

got to him. We know that there's some mental shit going

27:47

on. And the idea of someone being that

27:49

degree of a control freak and a risk

27:52

taker on top of everything else makes the

27:54

way that he dives into like seeing

27:56

that West stuff actually works. But he was writing them off

27:58

completely because he was a real guy. because he was so

28:01

convinced of his own brilliance. And then once

28:03

he sees it, he's like, okay, why don't you steal

28:05

it? But he's also

28:07

willing to take a leap because he's like, he was

28:09

not just a doctor, he's a mesmerist, he knows that

28:11

things are kinda weird. You know he's not

28:14

just a jerk and

28:16

a tightwad, you know that

28:19

he has no ethics because

28:21

of this and that he will manipulate people and maybe

28:23

eliminate people to get what he wants. And

28:26

you can see that earlier as opposed to just sort of

28:28

discovering it along the way. They also cut

28:30

a scene where Herbert is injecting himself with

28:32

the reagent just like for- Just a little

28:34

amount, tiny. Just a little bit. Just a

28:36

buzz. Though admittedly it looks like it's at

28:38

least 15 cc's which is as

28:40

much to use for reanimation as somebody. But- It's

28:43

gotta show up on screen. Yeah, but the thing is is that when

28:45

he's in the, he's like, well I just use it so I don't

28:47

have to sleep. Like I just use it to like- Stay

28:50

sharp. Yeah. It's a diluted serum. And

28:52

once he starts crashing, obviously he has

28:55

a hard time injecting himself. So Dan's gotta do it for

28:57

him. And one, that's extremely intimate and

28:59

I love it. And two,

29:01

it's a really fascinating detail of him

29:04

as a science junkie. And

29:07

also offers an explanation that

29:09

I don't believe they ever take advantage of because

29:11

it wasn't in the officially released version of the

29:13

film for him showing up again

29:16

in the sequel. Because otherwise this movie ends

29:18

with you thinking he's probably dead. Ambiguous

29:20

enough. Yeah. Especially for a

29:23

horror film. But yeah, I mean

29:25

like much like the man from the

29:27

Miami Serpentarium, like the snake doctor who's

29:29

been injecting himself with cobra venom for

29:31

his entire life and is now basically

29:33

unpoisonable. Well, poison and venom

29:35

are not the same thing. But anyway- Immune

29:37

to venom. Yeah, like any snake can bite him and

29:39

he's fine. And also he's like, I don't know,

29:41

he might be dead now, I'm not sure anyway.

29:44

It's a very interesting self experimentation case

29:46

study thing. And Herbert is totally doing

29:48

that to himself. And I would suspect

29:50

if your body is adapting to a steady

29:52

flow of reagent, you might be

29:54

a little bit unkillable. Yeah. That's

29:57

one of the minor differences between the story version

29:59

too. And the story version very explicitly doesn't

30:01

have an effect on a living person. But

30:04

I think it works in the context of

30:06

the story as a change, specifically for all

30:09

that reasons, to show how absolutely sucked into

30:11

it it is as

30:13

a part of his own life. And then also

30:15

for that intimacy of him and Dan together

30:17

with Dan injecting him. And I

30:21

would risk saying that maybe it makes him a little

30:23

bit more sympathetic because you know that he's not just

30:25

experimenting on other people like some sort of sadist. Yeah.

30:28

He's a mad scientist. He will even experiment on

30:30

himself. Yeah. Because he believes in what he's

30:32

doing. You know, that's something. You

30:34

know, since so much of our content that

30:37

is out or is to come regarding Mystery

30:39

Program is at least a little

30:41

bit queer in nature, it's interesting to

30:43

me that I excited really know this going

30:45

to this movie, but like the

30:47

history of queer Lovecraft adaptations is

30:49

pretty significant. Like, I mean, there's

30:52

nothing explicit in Re-Animator at all,

30:54

but it is really, there's an

30:56

energy about it. Like Finn

30:58

and Poe in Force Awakens. Yeah.

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I love that that's like a thing. Like it's

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like an instinctual thing that happens for

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some reason. Like Lovecraft is so uptight that

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even if it's not your intention, it's easy

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for it to get a little bit gay

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when someone else touches it. Yeah. Things are so cut and

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Bride of Re-Animator, I'm super

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as much as this does. Of

31:49

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