0:00

If you want to know

0:02

how to beat MAGA, you've

0:04

got to study what's happening

0:07

with Secretary Hegsef, because

0:09

you're not learning the

0:12

lesson. Chris Cuomo here,

0:14

welcome to the Chris

0:16

Cuomo Project. If you look

0:18

at what's going on with

0:20

the Secretary of Defense, you

0:23

will see why you are

0:25

always on defense against MAGA.

0:28

First... I'll break it down for

0:30

you in terms of the elements of

0:32

what's going on, and then we'll look

0:34

at how the agitation, the reaction, and

0:36

ultimately the failure of many in the

0:39

media and on the left to do

0:41

anything about what they see as a

0:43

huge problem, and what can be better?

0:45

Okay? So, what is going on with

0:48

Hegg Seth? He's sloppy. He doesn't understand

0:50

the right way to do things, but

0:52

most importantly, he doesn't

0:54

give his shit about

0:56

consequences, about consequences, right? Why?

0:58

Because he's not going to have any. Here's

1:00

what you're missing when you look at signal.

1:02

You can make it seem like it's a

1:05

really big deal. Holy cow, you're talking

1:07

about war plans with people who aren't

1:09

vetted on an unsafe communication channel? Here's

1:11

the problem with the analysis. That's all

1:13

true, what I just said. Shouldn't

1:16

be on signal, not supposed

1:18

to be on signal, not

1:20

supposed to be on devices

1:22

that aren't government vetted in

1:24

control, not supposed to be

1:26

talking to people that aren't

1:28

vetted and controlled and have

1:30

that type of clearance, not

1:32

supposed to be talking about that

1:35

kind of sensitive stuff, but why,

1:37

why, why? Why do each of those

1:39

rules and don't exist? Because you can

1:41

screw shit up. You can expose information,

1:43

make us vulnerable, make troops

1:46

vulnerable, take away advantage, ruin

1:48

strategic considerations, right? And on

1:50

and on and on. Here's

1:52

the problem with the analysis.

1:55

Did any of those things happen? No.

2:00

The attack went off as planned

2:02

against the Houthis and was successful.

2:04

That's the missing piece. Hegseth wasn't

2:06

paid off. Hegseth wasn't giving information

2:09

in a way that compromised people

2:11

on the ground that fucked up

2:13

the operation that made it not

2:15

go well, that disputed or distracted

2:17

from or disturbed the aims and

2:19

understandings of the administration. That's why

2:22

it's too much. He's never going

2:24

to give you the satisfaction of

2:26

the scalp. I know if you

2:28

hate Trump and hate everybody around

2:30

him and think Higgs Seth is

2:33

the worst person ever chosen as

2:35

Secretary of Defense. You want him

2:37

out. It's not going to happen.

2:39

Not for something where there is

2:41

no demonstrable injury to Trump. He's

2:44

never going to give you the

2:46

satisfaction of the scalp. By going

2:48

bad on one of his own

2:50

guys, it makes it look like

2:52

he made a bad choice. it's

2:55

not going to happen and you

2:57

shouldn't force it when you don't

2:59

have the high ground. I'm telling

3:01

you, if it were a Democrat

3:03

in the same circumstances, you would

3:06

not be hearing the Democrats saying

3:08

the same thing. Will they go

3:10

after their own? Absolutely, and I

3:12

think it's part of their weakness.

3:14

They'll say, no, it shows that

3:17

our standards are real. No, it

3:19

shows that you don't understand our

3:21

standards are real. No, it shows

3:23

that you don't understand that you're

3:25

in a binary war, kind of

3:28

of your own design. But you're

3:30

fighting how you play it to

3:32

advantage. And going after Hegg

3:34

Seth for this? You see it in

3:36

his response. You haven't heard the Secretary

3:39

of Defense once say that what is

3:41

alleged is not true. What does he

3:43

say? This is what you do. You

3:45

come after me. You hang up. You

3:48

go after things. Who's he sound like?

3:50

He sounds like the only audience he

3:52

cares about. The audience of one, the

3:54

President of the United States. A man

3:56

who has never admitted doing anything wrong

3:59

ever. Ever. You know, he's

4:01

given all this shine for his

4:03

kind of premonition, his prediction, his

4:06

prophecy, his truth, that he could

4:08

shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and

4:10

people would still vote for him.

4:12

Not only is that true, that's

4:15

not the real deepest understanding of

4:17

it. He could shoot somebody in

4:19

the middle of Fifth Avenue and

4:22

deny it and get away with

4:24

it. That's what you're missing. Why?

4:26

Because his voters are stupid and

4:28

delusional and uneducated and unsophisticated. No.

4:31

But that is not why, and

4:33

that is not true. It is

4:35

because they value something else more

4:38

than what you're asking them to

4:40

value. And they don't want to

4:42

do what you are saying because

4:44

they see you as the problem.

4:47

Those two things are killing you.

4:49

And they keep... making you lose.

4:51

You don't understand several parts of

4:54

this dynamic that you must if

4:56

you want to be successful within

4:58

it. Okay? Why does he come

5:00

out and blame the media, Secretary

5:03

Higgs, because that's what Trump would

5:05

do? Why is he now saying

5:07

he's going to find the anonymous

5:09

sources? This is one of the

5:12

great and classical hypocracies of this

5:14

binary game. Anonymous sources are bad,

5:16

except when you need them. I

5:19

have heard the President of these

5:21

United States say anonymous sources, it's

5:23

fake news, and then he has

5:25

said, I've heard some say, I've

5:28

heard anonymous sources where he wouldn't

5:30

give you the names of who

5:32

told them. Look, if we didn't

5:35

have anonymous sourcing, journalism would be

5:37

almost useless in American society. You

5:39

want people in power to be

5:41

able to talk without exposing themselves

5:44

so that they get thrown out

5:46

of the position of power and

5:48

they can't give you that information

5:51

anymore. It's nonsense that anonymous sources

5:53

are bullshit. It's nonsense. It's a

5:55

boogie man. It's a fake argument

5:57

just used when it's convenient because

6:00

they all use anonymous sources when

6:02

they work for them. And that's

6:04

not to say that they all

6:07

bullshit when it works for them.

6:09

That is true, but that's not

6:11

my point. Anonymous sources in my

6:13

experience are very valuable and you

6:16

reveal what it is when you

6:18

have to with your bosses and

6:20

go through your editorial concerns now.

6:23

Where doesn't that exist? With the

6:25

pod people. That's why they're just

6:27

about hot takes. They're not about

6:29

penetrating understanding or new information. That's

6:32

not what they do. They just

6:34

make you feel a certain way,

6:36

and that's fine. There's a place

6:39

for all of it. If you

6:41

want to play you to advantage,

6:43

you've got to understand what works

6:45

and what doesn't. Heg Seth ain't

6:48

going anywhere for how he texts.

6:50

Do you understand? Now, if he

6:52

were to leak war plans in

6:54

a way that compromised the operation,

6:57

he'd be dead man walking. If

6:59

he were to say shit about

7:01

Trump in a way that came

7:04

out, he might be dead man

7:06

walking. But ultimately, what is he

7:08

judged by? Is he doing what

7:10

Trump wants? Fuck him with the

7:13

media? He's a made man all

7:15

day. Going after DEA I in

7:17

the military, executing the Houthi operation

7:20

the way it was. They're up

7:22

in recruitment. All of these things

7:24

are what matter to Trump. You

7:26

can argue what his concerns and

7:29

considerations are, but they are still

7:31

his own. And until those are

7:33

compromised, hexeth isn't going anywhere. and

7:36

wanting to chase him on a

7:38

basis that you know won't resonate

7:40

only has one upside. What's the

7:42

upside? That it will matter to

7:45

the majority and that takes us

7:47

to the next point. Your understanding

7:49

of 8020 issues and politics, what's

7:52

in 8020, it's what it sounds

7:54

like from the math, where it's

7:56

overwhelmingly one side. Examples, fine. People

7:58

don't care. if unknown. pedophile gets

8:01

killed in prison. Being like, we

8:03

gotta investigate this. Why did this

8:05

guy who raped all these kids

8:08

get killed in prison? What happened?

8:10

Was it a setup? People don't

8:12

give a shit why someone who

8:14

touches kids gets killed in prison.

8:17

And if you champion that cause,

8:19

you better find a really important

8:21

principle. Okay, that's really extreme. Give

8:23

me some more 80-20s. Okay. Transports.

8:26

A female who looks anything like

8:28

me. other than my lack of

8:30

facial hair, playing against other girls

8:33

who look like girls, is an

8:35

80-20 issue. People are going to

8:37

be against it. It seems inherently

8:39

unfair and an unnecessary compromising of

8:42

a situation. It is way too

8:44

much for the very, very few

8:46

and way too much of a

8:49

disadvantage to the many. Oh yeah,

8:51

but it never really happens. It

8:53

doesn't matter. If every

8:55

time it happens it's offensive to

8:58

the majority, that's in 80-20. Yeah,

9:00

but trans people have rights too,

9:02

no question. But the majority have

9:04

rights also. And your rights end

9:06

where my rights begin. Your right

9:09

to do what you want ends

9:11

where my rights to decide what

9:13

is done to me begin. You,

9:15

of course, can be trans and

9:18

you should not be prejudiced against.

9:20

or compromised because of your identity,

9:22

but you don't get to make

9:24

me like you. You don't get

9:27

to make me do what you

9:29

want me to do, or say

9:31

what you want me to say,

9:33

or think what you want me

9:35

to think. Now, you can crowdsource

9:38

a consequence, and that's why social

9:40

media will always be anonymous, because

9:42

people will never feel that they

9:44

can say anything, if they're going

9:47

to have to own it, because

9:49

you're going to come after them

9:51

and take their job in their

9:53

livelihood, because you don't agree with

9:56

their ideas, and you treat everybody

9:58

like they're a Nazi. And

10:00

that's a mistake and it's

10:02

a reason you lost. Democrats,

10:05

you've got to listen to

10:07

me. You're not being strategic,

10:09

you're not being tactical, and

10:11

you're not being honest. See

10:14

80-20s for what they are.

10:16

Give me another. Garcia. Garcia

10:18

is another George Floyd. Meaning

10:20

what? This is not a

10:22

great guy. This is not

10:25

a guy to hold up

10:27

as some kind of moral

10:29

agent. No, no. As with

10:31

George Floyd, there is an

10:34

overarching moral argument and principle

10:36

of law and equity and

10:38

justice involved. You don't kill

10:40

people while arresting them in

10:42

nonviolent situations because you can

10:45

or want to. That's bad

10:47

policing. That matters. The fact

10:49

that the guy you killed

10:51

was kind of a piece

10:54

of shit doesn't matter in

10:56

terms of the principle due

10:58

process is for everyone different

11:00

degrees. Sure. I as a

11:02

citizen get more due process

11:05

than a green card holder

11:07

than someone who enters on

11:09

a visa than someone who

11:11

enters illegally. There are gradients,

11:14

gradations levels and that's okay.

11:16

to recognize within the fifth

11:18

and 14th amendments and the

11:20

jurisprudence thereof. But just because

11:23

I don't like your face,

11:25

just because I don't like

11:27

what you did, just because

11:29

I don't like who you

11:31

are, doesn't mean you are

11:34

denied due process. Stick with

11:36

the principle, don't make it

11:38

about the person. That was

11:40

the mistake with George Floyd.

11:43

And I'm ignoring all the

11:45

defund, the police, bullshit. That

11:47

was one of the ugly

11:49

manifestations of the radical left.

11:51

and your extremist flank. That

11:54

was as bad as any

11:56

of the maggashits. far as

11:58

I'm concerned. And it was

12:00

proof that these fringes dominate

12:03

our dialogue. AOC has done

12:05

nothing meaningful in Congress. She's

12:07

done it all on social

12:09

media. And she's one of

12:11

your leading names and who's

12:14

going to be president? Do

12:16

you not get this concept

12:18

of 80-20? She's an 80-20

12:20

loser all day long. Why?

12:23

She is clearly catering. to

12:25

a minority. She's her own

12:27

version of magga. She's looking

12:29

for an outraged enclave. She's

12:31

not about the majority. She's

12:34

not about consensus. She's not

12:36

about solutions. She wants government

12:38

to give you everything. She's

12:40

a socialist. In a capitalist

12:43

society. What are you thinking?

12:45

You want to go after

12:47

him by being in the

12:49

business of better. There are

12:51

better ways. to revitalize the

12:54

middle class in America after

12:56

giving everything away to China

12:58

than just tariffs and tough

13:00

talk. Be in the business

13:03

of better. Look at the

13:05

policies, look at the waste

13:07

in the Department of Defense

13:09

and hang that on Hegsef.

13:11

That's what he has responsibility

13:14

for. You're not going to

13:16

get him with texting. Don't

13:18

go to El Salvador to

13:20

bring back Garcia. He punched

13:23

his wife in the face.

13:25

according to her. Why are

13:27

you making this guy a

13:29

patron saint? Stick to the

13:31

principle. What is your principle?

13:34

How much does it matter?

13:36

Look for the 80-20s. Be

13:38

where the 80 is. No,

13:40

America is about the protection

13:43

of the minority. No, America

13:45

is about the little guy.

13:47

It's not about mob rule.

13:49

Okay, but do you think

13:52

that means that you can

13:54

constantly thumb your nose at

13:56

consensus and what matters to

13:58

the most people? There's

14:01

a difference between protecting the

14:03

few from the many and

14:06

making the many the victim

14:08

of the few. There is

14:11

a real difference. There is

14:13

a principled moral ethical and

14:15

legal difference between protecting the

14:18

few from the many and

14:20

forcing the many. to be

14:23

at the service or at

14:25

the inclination or under the

14:27

influence of the few. That

14:30

is the key to what

14:32

I'm saying. Hexeth is not

14:34

going anywhere for the way

14:37

he texts. He will only

14:39

go somewhere when he stops

14:42

giving Trump what Trump wants.

14:44

Trump wants him to attack

14:46

the media. It is not

14:49

fair. It is not righteous.

14:51

Hegseth has not denied the

14:54

allegation because he knows they're

14:56

going to bust his ass

14:58

if he does. Then he

15:01

has more of a problem.

15:03

So what is he going

15:06

to do? I'm going after

15:08

the anonymous sources. Why? People

15:10

don't like anonymous sources because

15:13

they've been made in condition

15:15

to believe that somehow that's

15:17

a substitute, a proxy, another

15:20

way of saying fake news.

15:22

If it really exists, why

15:25

don't you put your name

15:27

to it? You

15:29

know why. You know how people

15:31

don't want to make themselves vulnerable.

15:33

Doesn't mean that the information is

15:35

not real and true? You have

15:38

to see this dynamic. Trump's arrangement

15:40

syndrome is real. You're just not

15:42

the only one who has it.

15:44

It exists on the right as

15:46

well. They treat this guy like

15:48

he's Kim Jong-un. Now, the difference...

15:50

in that analogy is. Kim Jong-loan

15:52

is treated the way he is

15:54

because people are afraid of what

15:56

happens if they don't. That's really

15:58

only true within the Republican Party.

16:00

The reason people back Trump is

16:03

because they're pissed off about things

16:05

and they want them fixed. But

16:07

more importantly than wanting them fixed,

16:09

they want the people who have

16:11

come at them attacked. And that's

16:13

what Trump gives him. 24-7-365. You

16:15

have to see that. And the

16:17

idea that headset attacking the media

16:19

or going after anonymous sources are

16:21

things that you find appalling that

16:23

are reasons for his head. They're

16:25

seen as virtues by the people

16:28

who are in power. You're

16:30

going to lose. Yeah, but I

16:32

want to fight the good fight.

16:34

It's not the good fight. Fighting

16:36

over how he texts is not

16:39

the good fight. Fighting over whom

16:41

he kills. Fighting over what he

16:43

refuses to kill within his own

16:45

department. That's the good fight. You

16:47

have to understand this distinction. Hedge

16:50

Seth isn't going anywhere. I'll tell

16:52

you that right now and I

16:54

don't care how long this ages.

16:56

It will age well. He is

16:58

not going anywhere over how he

17:01

texts until the way he texts

17:03

goes after Trump. or reveal something

17:05

or hurts American troops or compromises

17:07

American interests in a way that

17:09

changes an outcome. Do you understand?

17:11

Now I get that it would

17:14

work if it were me. I'm

17:16

in the media. I am subject

17:18

to the scrutiny of the left.

17:20

And the right, but more so

17:22

the left, because most of the

17:25

media who come for the scalps

17:27

are lefties. And they will come

17:29

for me, and they come for

17:31

me more because I don't support

17:33

the left enough. I get that.

17:36

I signed up for it. I

17:38

understand it. It's a risk. I

17:40

get it. People say me too

17:42

is over, cancel culture is over,

17:44

now for people in my business

17:47

it isn't. And by the way,

17:49

some of it shouldn't be over.

17:51

There should be standards in how

17:53

you treat one another. I would

17:55

just like for people who say

17:58

they care about me too or

18:00

canceling or any of that. How

18:02

come you've never gone back to

18:04

any of the institutions that you

18:06

went after with their bold-faced names?

18:09

and see what NBC News does

18:11

now that they didn't used to

18:13

do or Fox News does now

18:15

that they didn't used to do

18:17

or ABC News or whatever organization

18:20

in Hollywood and media. How come?

18:22

How come we never go back

18:24

and have any exposays about what's

18:26

changed and what hasn't? Because it

18:28

wasn't about that. It was about

18:31

gotches and scalps. That's what it

18:33

was about. Right? You got Matt

18:35

Lauer. Is NBC News different? Better?

18:37

Well, I don't fucking know, do

18:39

you? No. Weird, not weird at

18:42

all. It's about expedients. It's about

18:44

currency. And it's about... where people

18:46

find advantage. You have to look

18:48

through the same lens when you're

18:50

thinking about how to scrutinize situations

18:53

with Trump. Trump derangement syndrome is

18:55

real. It just exists on both

18:57

sides. And I'm telling you, once

18:59

you see past the sides and

19:01

you start to look for consensus

19:03

instead of gotches, you're going to

19:06

get to a better place and

19:08

you're going to see a lot

19:10

more that works to your advantage.

19:12

How so? You can't expect people

19:14

on the right to criticize Trump.

19:17

He will primary them and win.

19:19

Look at tariffs. Conservatives see tariffs

19:21

as anathema to free trade. Okay?

19:23

They are poison. The markets are

19:25

now doing what they do, which

19:28

is play to advantage. There's more

19:30

energy in selling America than buying

19:32

America right now. Trump started that.

19:34

and he instigated a downward move

19:36

in the markets that is going

19:39

to end no time soon. Bad

19:41

for me, bad for you, but

19:43

it's true. Why? Well, because the

19:45

uncertainty is too many levels deep

19:47

now. The terrorists are still there.

19:50

We don't know how much of

19:52

the bite. You don't know where

19:54

he's going to go in and

19:56

where he isn't. You don't know

19:58

what China's going to do. You

20:01

don't know who's going to hit

20:03

us and how, all because of

20:05

Trump's chaotic machinations. going to keep

20:07

selling America. And that makes sense

20:09

to them because that's where the

20:12

action is within the market. And

20:14

it's going to drive us down,

20:16

down, down, down, down. And they're

20:18

going to be making bets that

20:20

it keeps going down. They're going

20:23

to be selling puts. They're going

20:25

to be shorting. They're going to

20:27

be doing all kinds of things.

20:29

And what makes that proposition change?

20:31

I don't know. It's not going

20:34

to be just one thing. But

20:36

you have to look at it

20:38

through the right lens. I don't

20:40

understand why doesn't he fire Heg

20:42

Seth? All these people are saying

20:44

he should fire Heg Seth. He

20:47

doesn't give a shit about the

20:49

people who are saying it. The

20:51

people who are saying it are

20:53

disrespected and disliked by the people

20:55

he wants to please. And people

20:58

are sick of you getting scalps

21:00

over things that they don't even

21:02

really understand, let alone value the

21:04

way that the scalpers do. Heg

21:06

Seth is handling it in my

21:09

opinion poorly. But... That's just my

21:11

opinion because I don't like the

21:13

rules he's playing by. Strategically, he's

21:15

spot on. Attack the media. That

21:17

works on the right. Go after

21:20

the people who are going after

21:22

you. That works on the right.

21:24

I get why he's saying it.

21:26

I get why he's doing it.

21:28

Yeah, but you don't. You think

21:31

he should be gone. I know

21:33

because you don't like him. You

21:35

don't like Trump. You think he's

21:37

unqualified and all these other things.

21:39

I get it, it's just not

21:42

going to happen that way. So

21:44

why put your energy into it?

21:46

Why go down to El Salvador

21:48

and make this guy Garcia some

21:50

patron saint of who should be

21:53

in the country? He is not

21:55

who we need most in the

21:57

country. Okay? And if you were

21:59

going to go all in, go

22:01

all in on the Florida stylist

22:04

guy. Who's a citizen? And who

22:06

they kept detained for for? 38

22:08

hours for ice after he proved

22:10

his citizenship. After they misconstrued his

22:12

tattoo that was made for his

22:15

mom and dad as a gang

22:17

tat. Use him as an example

22:19

of who you're not supposed to

22:21

fuck with. He's a citizen. You

22:23

see what I'm saying? Same thing

22:26

with George Floyd. Same thing. So

22:28

now what Trump is doing is

22:30

making it all about who Garcia

22:32

really is. as the left is

22:34

fighting for a guy like that

22:36

to be in the country and

22:39

we're completely forgetting that he violated

22:41

the two most sacred words in

22:43

our constitutional republic. Due process. Just

22:45

keep it on due process. The

22:47

best answer they have is, yeah,

22:50

but I don't really like this

22:52

guy. I don't want him to

22:54

have due process. That's not how

22:56

it works. Now you've got high

22:58

ground. Why would a Supreme Court

23:01

that is openly deferential to President

23:03

Trump go nine-zero against him? And

23:05

Steve Miller, that guy who looks

23:07

like Dobby the house elf from

23:09

Harry Potter, saying to you, you

23:12

like that one, saying to you,

23:14

they said we won. They don't

23:16

have any role in immigration. Really?

23:18

How stupid does he think you

23:20

are? You have to facilitate the

23:23

return. So what are they doing?

23:25

that making it very clear that

23:27

you're forcing them to return a

23:29

piece of shit. That's who you

23:31

want to be? No, stick to

23:34

the principle, not the person. Doesn't

23:36

matter who it is. It doesn't

23:38

matter. Benjamin Franklin, a hundred bad

23:40

men go free, then have one

23:42

guilty man be in a position

23:45

to suffer. Now

23:47

do you even know

23:49

that I just reversed

23:52

that on purpose? Right?

23:54

You want a system

23:56

where you let people...

23:59

get away with things

24:01

if it ensures that

24:04

an innocent man doesn't

24:06

have to suffer. That's

24:08

your point. Okay? We

24:11

have to have due

24:13

process because it doesn't

24:16

matter who it is.

24:18

That's why justice is

24:20

blind. Justice is blind

24:23

because it doesn't matter

24:25

who it is. The

24:27

law is the law.

24:30

So this guy may

24:32

be an MS-13 dirtbag,

24:35

but if he has

24:37

an order that withholds

24:39

his deportation, you must

24:42

respect it. Or you

24:44

must go to court

24:47

and defeat it. Trump

24:49

didn't want to do that. He

24:52

doesn't want to do it with

24:54

his mass deportations because he sees

24:56

the Constitution as an inconvenience. That

24:59

is wrong all day long. That's

25:01

your principle. Not that Garcia is

25:03

a guy who's worth going to

25:06

El Salvador for. Fight it here.

25:08

There are a lot of people

25:10

in your district who would prefer

25:13

a visit Senator Van Hollen than

25:15

this cat in El Salvador and

25:18

you look like a chooch for

25:20

going down there because the president

25:22

of El Salvador set you up.

25:25

Democrats. If you want to be

25:27

an effective counterbalance. And look, unfortunately,

25:29

I have to give you advice

25:32

the same way I would give

25:34

the other side advice because I'm

25:36

stuck in this shit binary system

25:39

that you guys both benefit from.

25:41

We need an effective and healthy

25:43

counterbalance to whoever's in power because

25:46

of this stupid system. So when

25:48

you guys are in power, you

25:50

need real conservatives, real Republicans who

25:53

are acting with integrity to counter

25:55

ideas. and balance out the equities.

25:57

And now I need that from

26:00

the Democrats. Don't think you're gonna

26:02

get hegseth with a gotcha. The

26:05

New York Times is a rag

26:07

as much as any other paper

26:09

is a rag when they're going

26:12

after low fruit like this. They're

26:14

not gonna get them, not for

26:16

this. They'll keep trying, that's what

26:19

they do. And he's making enemies,

26:21

so they'll have more. But you

26:23

are not hitting the majority on

26:26

this. The majority does not look

26:28

and say, oh, so he texted

26:30

on that signal thing that I've

26:33

heard about. And what happened? Oh,

26:35

nothing? Well, then why are they?

26:37

It's over. It's over. As soon

26:40

as regular people are like, I

26:42

don't get why that's it, you

26:45

lost, it's over. You don't have

26:47

high ground. You want to go

26:49

after headset, go after why the

26:52

DOD hasn't been touched. Why do

26:54

we have billions of dollars of

26:56

programs that deal with UFOs when

26:59

you won't talk to us about

27:01

them? How come those isn't talking

27:03

about those? How come those isn't

27:06

talking about shit at the DOD?

27:08

I mean, come on. When it

27:10

comes to discretionary funds, I mean,

27:13

people think that DOD is an

27:15

entitlement. It's not an entitlement. It's

27:17

discretionary spending. It's almost a trillion

27:20

dollars. Where is that? That's not

27:22

waste fraud and abuse? Stick

27:25

to the high ground.

27:27

Stick to the principles.

27:29

Don't get caught fighting

27:31

the cause of people

27:33

who don't deserve it.

27:35

Now I get the

27:37

due process is afforded

27:40

everyone to different degrees,

27:42

depending on their status.

27:44

But that's not what you're doing right

27:46

now. You're making this guy a patron

27:49

saint the same way you did with

27:51

George Floyd. And I get the idea

27:53

and have argued it myself many times.

27:55

It doesn't matter who George Floyd was.

27:57

I don't want to hear about it.

27:59

I don't want to hear about what

28:01

he did to a pregnant lady. I

28:03

don't want to hear about his drugs.

28:05

I don't want to hear about his...

28:07

I don't want to hear about any

28:09

of them. If it doesn't inform us

28:11

about the present circumstances, it's irrelevant to

28:13

the principle involved. And you know who

28:15

says that? Justice, do a quick Google

28:17

on prior bad acts and what you're

28:19

allowed to bring in as an evidentiary

28:21

rule of law at a trial and

28:23

how limited it is and why and

28:25

what the probative value versus the prejudice

28:27

has to be and the scrutiny of

28:29

it. Why? because

28:31

it's so damaging to the

28:34

principle involved in that pursuit

28:36

of justice. You are playing

28:38

to the weakness of the

28:40

system by championing a chump.

28:42

Don't do it if you

28:44

want to be effective. Due

28:47

process matters always, in all

28:49

ways. Doesn't matter if he's

28:51

a piece of shit. I

28:53

am not going to pretend

28:55

he is otherwise. You are

28:57

pretending. Because you want to

29:00

get Trump and you think

29:02

you have high ground, but

29:04

that's not the high ground.

29:06

You're losing the majority again

29:08

in a situation where you

29:10

should have the majority with

29:13

you. You want to get

29:15

rid of bad ombres, knock

29:17

yourself out. How you do

29:19

it in America matters. That's

29:21

your high ground. Fighting for

29:23

bad ombres, not high ground.

29:27

And that's what you're doing.

29:29

With Hegsef, where's the high

29:32

ground? How you text matters?

29:34

Not the high ground. Well,

29:37

he had an NBA. Hey,

29:39

welcome the public life. Well,

29:41

I heard he's drunk and

29:44

he may have had an

29:46

affair. Who are you? Let's

29:49

look at your personal life.

29:51

If you want the high

29:54

ground, find the high ground,

29:56

not... The Gotches. That's the

29:59

That's what you've been missing.

30:01

Bernie and AOC running around

30:04

the country trying to get

30:06

people mad at the government,

30:09

mad at MAGA, that's not

30:11

the majority. The majority wants

30:14

solutions. The majority wants common

30:16

concerns addressed. And I'll tell

30:19

you, there's a huge one

30:21

staring us right in the

30:23

face. Where does it say

30:26

that 40 times earnings is

30:28

not enough and 345 times

30:31

earnings is enough in capitalism?

30:33

Why is the middle class

30:36

evaporating? Why is there problems

30:38

affording a house insurance? your

30:41

dreams, your education, your training.

30:43

Why? We made a choice

30:46

in this country to send

30:48

the units of production to

30:51

another place where it was

30:53

cheaper and easier. And now

30:56

they say you can't bring

30:58

it back because you can't

31:01

do it that cheap and

31:03

easy. No, we can, because

31:06

you are assuming that it

31:08

is an immutable law that

31:10

you get to make as

31:13

much money as you fucking

31:15

can, no matter what it

31:18

does to everybody else. Okay,

31:20

fine. But, but, who said

31:23

you get free access to

31:25

our markets? Oh, well, that's

31:28

the tariffs. You were at

31:30

Trump. No, that's one blunt

31:33

instrument. What I'm saying is,

31:35

instead of starting with tariffs,

31:38

he should have started with

31:40

this proposition. You want access

31:43

to America? You do things

31:45

here. You use people here.

31:48

Oh, then an iPhone is

31:50

going to be $4,000. Only

31:52

if it's okay that the

31:55

guys at the top make

31:57

300 40 times what the

32:00

workers make. Well, where is

32:02

that? Well, that's the market. Oh, is

32:04

it the market when I bailed

32:06

your ass out? Is it the

32:08

market when you get bankruptcy protection

32:10

and preferences with how you get

32:12

to finance things and taxation and

32:14

all the other shit? Remember what

32:16

the reason for it all is? Why do

32:19

corporations get benefits that you

32:21

don't as an individual household?

32:23

What's the answer? Because they

32:25

hire people. because they're responsible

32:27

for a lot of jobs.

32:30

That high ground has gone. Where?

32:32

Where? Where are these big cuts

32:34

of communities in America

32:36

that are beholden to

32:39

this organization such that we

32:41

need to give them preferences.

32:43

They've made more and more

32:45

and more and given less

32:47

and less and you can

32:49

write that off as socialism,

32:51

but how is it not socialism

32:54

when we bail them

32:56

out? Socialism. How? How?

32:58

Oh well. Too big to

33:01

fail. Fuck you. That's

33:03

what that was.

33:05

Right to the

33:07

working class. Right

33:10

to everybody

33:12

who was struggling.

33:15

There is no Keynesian

33:17

economic understanding. that says

33:19

you can go from

33:21

40 times earnings versus

33:23

your labor to 340

33:25

times earnings where the

33:27

government has to pick

33:29

up slack for your

33:31

labor because you're not paying

33:33

them enough so that they need

33:36

subsidies and that's still

33:38

capitalism. That's bullshit and

33:40

that's the conversation to have.

33:42

Cuomo is a socialist, oh no

33:44

I am not. You want to cut

33:47

government spending, knock yourselves,

33:49

knock yourselves, knock your I

33:52

think you're going to have a problem

33:54

politically when people realize that

33:56

you are cutting meat and bone and

33:58

not fat. Medicaid matters. Social

34:01

security matters and big reasons that

34:03

they matter is that you've fucked

34:05

the middle class and they don't

34:07

have high-paying jobs anymore. So you

34:09

have more people who are relying on

34:11

it now than used to be. Yes. Yes, my

34:13

brothers and sisters. The high ground is

34:15

there. Pete Hage Seth's texting is bullshit.

34:18

Guy is tanking the markets and he's

34:20

not even on target of what will

34:22

make it better. You want access

34:24

to the American consumer market, you pay

34:26

for it, you pay for it. You pay

34:28

for it. You pay for it. You pay

34:31

for it. That's capitalism. Supply and demand.

34:33

What do I have? I got the demand,

34:35

baby. We buy shit. We are the

34:37

world's customer. You've got to

34:39

entice me to buy for you. How?

34:42

Give me jobs. Give me them good

34:44

jobs. Train my people. Bring them. Oh,

34:46

it's going to raise prices. That's

34:48

on you. Okay. That's on you.

34:50

That's on you. That's on you.

34:52

That's on you. That's on you. That's

34:54

on you. That's on you. That's on

34:57

you. That's on you. That's on you.

34:59

That's on you. You raise your prices,

35:01

people aren't going to buy your shit. But

35:03

you're going to make it here if you

35:05

want access to the market. Oh, but then

35:07

I'm going to go out of business. No,

35:09

you're not. You're just not going to have

35:11

as much of a profit. Why the fuck

35:14

is it so wrong for you to have

35:16

a limit on your upside when there's unlimited

35:18

downside for the people that you screwed

35:20

when you left? Well, once government gets

35:22

involved, they are involved. Your bankruptcy

35:25

protections. Your taxation loopholes.

35:28

The regulatory situations

35:30

that they manipulate

35:32

for your advantage. Please.

35:35

Walmart. Got all these people

35:37

working for you that need

35:40

food stamps and shit. How's

35:42

that capitalism? Look

35:44

for the high ground. Look for

35:46

the 80-20s. Be in the business

35:48

of better. Look for consensus.

35:51

That is the avenue of opportunity. Finding

35:53

a new way to piss people

35:55

off and to get some scalps

35:57

will get you nowhere. Thank

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