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UK. Right, now this is prior

0:39

intro, this is prior intro. So

0:41

let's imagine this never happened. Owen,

0:44

please, can you tell Jerry about your leak?

0:46

Yeah, so this is me telling Jerry Hallowell.

0:49

The fact they had a leak under my

0:51

driveway. And you called a plumber

0:53

out. We called four plumbers out. Four? Four.

0:57

Shout out to Darren for They were nearly the

0:59

spice plumbers, weren't they? Hang

1:01

on. So everyone couldn't find their

1:03

solution. They were all doing different things.

1:05

It took a very long time. It's a

1:07

very long story. And what was the takeaway

1:09

from it? The takeaway? Oh, what is

1:11

the takeaway? Ban water. Yeah. Where

1:14

was the... It was under

1:16

our driveway. So... Oh,

1:19

my goodness. Yeah, this is slightly surreal moment

1:21

for me. But, yes, there were four different

1:23

people. That must have been so frustrating. It

1:26

was incredibly frustrating. There was scary

1:28

plumber. There was ginger

1:30

plumber. There was plumber who came

1:32

out and didn't dig deep enough to find the

1:34

pipe. Yeah, not a sporty plumber. Yeah, there was

1:36

sporty plumber. OK, OK. That's so

1:38

annoying. Was there a posh plumber? There was

1:40

a... Poshish.

1:42

Poshish. Poshish. Yeah, he was from Yoneville. Well, they've

1:44

got the money now with all the call -outs. I

1:46

know plumbers could rule the world, really, I think.

1:48

Anyway, that's the end of our plumbing chat. Thank you

1:50

very much, Owen. Thank you. Thank you,

1:53

Owen. Big intro time, please,

1:55

Vasa. Oh, tell you what we

1:57

want, what we really, really want. We

1:59

want an actual Spice Girl and one

2:01

of the best kids books you're ever

2:03

likely to read. Rosie Frost, Ice on

2:05

Fire is out now, and here to

2:07

tell us how nobody puts Rosie in

2:09

the corner. It's Jerry Halliwell

2:11

-Hawna. It's Jerry by Jenny.

2:13

It's Jerry Halliwell -Hawna. Oh,

2:16

that's so nice. Hello, Jerry.

2:19

Hello, Chris. I'm great. It's lovely to see

2:21

you. Nice to see you. Lovely. And

2:23

so she's out in a bag again on

2:25

her escapades. Rosie Frost, Ice on Fire. You

2:28

talk about the J Gang, the J Club. That's

2:30

Jeff Frasco who put the A in agent.

2:32

And all these other people you thank in your

2:35

acknowledgments. Yeah. And I think that's a lot

2:37

of people. And you know, this

2:39

is two, we're two books in, but then of

2:41

course I look at your bibliography. This is

2:43

your 10th book. I know. I didn't realise that.

2:45

Yeah, I do like writing. You do? You

2:47

love writing, you? Yeah, I do. I love the

2:49

power of words. Do you have writing heroes? Um,

2:52

my goodness, I tell you who's

2:54

been an absolute inspiration for me

2:56

is a William Boyd. He wrote

2:59

any human heart. He's like a

3:01

maestro. Brilliant. He really guided me

3:03

on my journey on this. And

3:05

recently, Philippa Gregory, now she wrote

3:07

the other Berlin girl. Now, I

3:09

would say about 12, no, probably

3:11

about 18 years ago, I met

3:13

her and I was on the,

3:15

um, the Booker Prize to help,

3:17

you know, to pick who was,

3:20

and I met her and I

3:22

fangolled, right, a properly fangoled, like,

3:24

hi, another look, know, one of

3:26

those. And then, like, cut to

3:28

almost 20 years later, she has

3:30

read my book, and then she

3:32

gave me, you know, like a

3:34

strapline. The blurb. The blurb, she

3:36

gave it, and she was having

3:38

lunch with me and we were

3:41

discussing Henry VIII. I was like,

3:43

oh my God, my life is

3:45

full and complete. Jerry Hallowell Horner,

3:47

an irresistible page turner, says Philip

3:49

Gregory. When

3:51

you probably feel proud, I've

3:53

probably got wow. So for

3:55

people who don't know about

3:57

Rosie's existence, can you bring

3:59

us up to speed where we left

4:01

her, who we left her with before we

4:03

get on to where she goes to

4:05

next, please? I guess what happened previously. please.

4:08

Okay, so in a nutshell, she's orphaned.

4:10

and she sent to this school, Heaver Bridge,

4:12

and it's on this island.

4:14

Imagine Jurassic Park for endangered

4:16

animals, okay? Heaver Bridge School

4:18

built by Queen Elizabeth I. She

4:21

gets there, and this school was built

4:23

500 years ago. It's present day now.

4:25

She goes to a series of games,

4:27

the Falcon Queen games. She

4:29

gets visited by Amberlynn, the ghost

4:32

queen. and she finds

4:34

the courage she never knew she

4:36

had with a series of friends.

4:38

At the end of book one,

4:40

she finds out her mother was

4:42

murdered. And

4:45

so book two leads into

4:47

this actually like a big

4:50

journey of revenge. Yeah, and she writes

4:52

to her mum, doesn't she? Because

4:54

she wants to sort of manifest

4:56

her advice by putting it out

4:58

there. Can she hear anything coming

5:00

back? And then various people

5:02

arrive at the island. Some shouldn't

5:04

have gone to the island because they end up not

5:06

getting off the island. Lawyers and things

5:08

like that in particular. Yes, murder. There's a

5:10

lot of murder in this one. a lot

5:12

of murder. There's been a murder. And you're

5:14

a three hours a day girl writing, are

5:16

you? That's what I like to do. Sometimes

5:19

it goes longer or yeah, but I

5:21

have to have a disciplined because otherwise

5:23

it doesn't get done. Where's the keyboard?

5:26

Well, now it's changed. It's downstairs in

5:28

this like very spacious dining room.

5:30

I do it and sometimes it's in

5:32

my little office. All

5:34

right. So if you could

5:37

characterize Rosie as a human

5:39

being, give us her character

5:41

traits. I think she's like

5:43

brave. We've got

5:45

a big heart and not perfect. I

5:47

think it's really important for our

5:49

heroes that we see are not perfect.

5:51

We don't care about them if

5:53

they are. Exactly. Your

5:55

daughter... Remind me

5:57

of Mary. She, you know,

5:59

how old is she now? She's ten.

6:01

She's ten, and she's getting into it, I

6:03

heard. Oh, she absolutely loved it. She

6:05

was She wouldn't get off the

6:08

plane, would she? She's so pleased. She's done you

6:10

a little review. Oh, God, I really want to hear

6:12

a review. Oh, dear! This is who

6:14

it is for. I'll tell you what you want, what

6:16

you really, really want. is a review

6:18

from your daughter. You nearly

6:20

sang that then. Nearly, nearly,

6:22

nearly. OK. Other people try

6:24

and get to do it. We don't and

6:26

she does. OK. It is

6:28

for everyone but ultimately it is

6:30

for your daughter. I think she

6:32

was really inspired by it to

6:34

be honest. Really? Yeah. Tell me.

6:37

One of her friends lost his

6:39

mum recently and she found it

6:41

quite... that was in between the

6:43

two books that had happened. OK.

6:45

So she found that quite touching. She

6:47

was, you know, she was really... And she really wanted

6:49

to talk to me about it as well. You know, we

6:51

were on holiday, we were on our way to Portugal

6:53

when she started reading it and then she... Second,

6:56

she's a voracious reader. I love that. And

6:58

it's lovely, you know, and she likes a

7:00

proper book, Mary, and it was lovely to

7:02

see her inspired and energised it. She's 10,

7:04

and this is 440 -odd pages long. Yeah.

7:06

And she etted up, didn't she? Absolutely. Do

7:08

you want to hear her review now? Yeah,

7:10

I do. And I also want to speak

7:12

to her and say, did she guess, like,

7:14

midway what the thing is? I don't want

7:16

to give it away. Is still today? Yeah,

7:18

she's at school. She's at school. And

7:21

what she's surprised by there's two

7:23

things in it that happen. You go,

7:26

what? It is quite like, but let's

7:28

hear what she's got. Do you want the

7:30

review now? Well, it's up to you. You're running

7:32

the show. You're the guest. I'm just like,

7:34

yeah, because Mary. All right,

7:36

well, Juri's in. Juri's in. in. Juri's Juri's in.

7:38

in. in. in. in. in. in. in.

7:42

in. in. in.

7:46

in. in. in.

7:51

in. in. Juri's

7:55

in. in.

8:03

Juri's in. Juri's

8:05

in things, but also

8:07

makes you laugh a lot.

8:10

And Rosie is just awesome.

8:13

Can we have another Rosie book

8:15

soon, please? Hang on a

8:17

minute, hang on Oh my God. Clearly

8:19

you've met up in some dark

8:21

alley and paid this child millions of

8:23

pounds. Yeah. mean, she's... I suspect

8:25

that. She's delivered February of years before,

8:27

but no, no... Never before can

8:30

we have another one. Yes, I know.

8:32

her first request for another book.

8:34

my God, that's making my heart like

8:36

shine. Oh my goodness. Yeah,

8:38

no, she really... I mean, honestly, she's

8:40

a proper reader, Mary, and she absolutely...

8:42

Oh my God, thank you, Mary. That

8:44

makes it so worthwhile. It is for

8:46

Mary. You know, for me, I'm

8:48

a big bookie, so that's the point. It's

8:50

for Mary to get inspired and connect. Now, we

8:52

know that from the first week, when you

8:54

came in to talk about the first... you remember

8:56

you've been on the American Book Tour? And

8:59

I've been watching all that going on and people

9:01

raving about you on every show, you were booked on

9:03

some shows, then they saw you on those shows

9:05

and the book sales carried on going up and then

9:07

you booked on other shows and it went gang,

9:09

but it couldn't have gone any better. No, I'm very

9:11

grateful to And are we still on that kind

9:13

of role? Yeah, it's been amazing.

9:16

Number two has gone actually

9:18

better. It's like really, it's really

9:20

taken off. Because I'm

9:22

sort of finding my form as well, like

9:24

I've built the world. so then you find

9:26

it. And yeah, it's done really well. So

9:28

I don't want to sound braggy, but it's

9:30

New York bestseller and it's in the LA

9:32

Times bestseller among adults. not bragging. That's just

9:35

counting. Yeah. So, you know, like in their

9:37

book reviews for adults, because adults can enjoy

9:39

this book as well, because it's quite, I

9:41

would say it's quite dark and murderous

9:43

in certain ways. It's got depth. If

9:45

a nerd, it's full of facts about

9:47

black holes and science and history. So

9:50

your takeaway is what you need.

9:52

And you did flex a little bit

9:54

in the interview at the time.

9:56

why not? Because you want to promote

9:58

the book about the the biggest

10:00

producer of movies alive today buying the

10:02

rights to the Yeah, I'm

10:04

very, very excited to circle back, and

10:06

I will be announced, but I've

10:09

got a pause on it, but yeah,

10:11

it has been... It's probably the...

10:13

It is the biggest producer in Hollywood

10:15

has bought the rights when making

10:17

a movie, so... I mean, the movie

10:19

is in production or they just

10:21

bought the rights and they're thinking about

10:23

it? We're looking at the right

10:25

turn right now, just to make the

10:27

scripts. Are you involved in that

10:29

there? Yeah, they've been so amazed. including

10:31

me, like, and so I get

10:33

to help choose Rosie, you

10:35

know, and they're including me, and they're

10:37

just amazing people. the biggest position I

10:39

live with is Steven Spielberg. I'm not

10:42

going to... I'm not going to... Well,

10:44

let's just say... OK, let's... I'm not

10:46

going to get into it. I'm

10:49

too late for that. We're into it. No,

10:52

I've got to wait. I've got to wait.

10:54

Patience. All right, so Rosie's gang. We've heard

10:56

about your gang. Tell us about Rosie's gang.

10:58

Same gang? It is the same. So

11:01

you've Jackson them? Yes, well remembered.

11:03

OK, I've read it. Yeah, Jackson, like,

11:05

he's the guy that you think,

11:07

you know, he likes poetry and he's...

11:09

looking. Charlie, Charlie's just a great

11:11

guy that you think actually you'd want

11:13

your your daughter to marry and

11:15

he's just a good bloke. He does

11:17

cry but he's not a wet

11:19

wipe. Then you've

11:21

got Jeremy which I think is really

11:24

important for our sons. cry

11:26

but he's not a wet wipe. Do you

11:28

know I mean? Our sons to say

11:30

it's all right. You still can, you know,

11:32

be that hero, but you still can

11:34

be express your feelings and there's been a

11:36

who's smart and funny and then Otterly,

11:38

who is my favorite. OK, she

11:40

is that girl that you think

11:42

has got it all together. Gorgeous, wonderful,

11:45

super smart, but actually I'm and she.

11:47

comes out with these lines, you

11:49

think, oh, you're a bit of a

11:51

mean girl, but actually unpack her,

11:53

she's got a burning heart and she

11:55

really comes through. How many in

11:58

the gang then? So there's five. Five.

12:00

Yeah. Oh, there you go.

12:02

It's the rule of five, isn't it? No, it's

12:04

the rule of five. There we go. So if

12:06

the five main protagonists in Rosie Frost, Eisenhower, were

12:08

the Spice Girls, who would be who? Probably...

12:13

They're so interesting. I think Charlie

12:15

would be baby. Great. Because just

12:17

warm. Um, God, that's real.

12:19

Because what I do, that's hard to

12:21

say. I take pieces of different people and

12:23

put them in. Does that make sense?

12:25

Sorry, I didn't even think you'd answer this

12:28

question. It's great that you even began

12:30

to. Yeah, like a chef. No, I take

12:32

little pieces like, I would say Otterly's

12:34

got a little bit of Victoria's, like, wit.

12:36

Yeah. Like, and just slay. You're like,

12:38

you are funny. So there's

12:40

little pieces. It'd be unfair to say

12:42

they're their own person. How old is

12:44

Rosie -ish in this book? Okay, so, oh

12:46

my God. Who's that? I don't

12:49

know. Let's have a look who that is. Who

12:51

is it going? It's not anyone interesting. Can

12:53

I you something that? No, it wasn't actually. It

12:55

was a random number. But

12:57

Otty, and this is Probably telling sales. Hi. Is

13:00

that Ms. Halliwell -Hawney? Do you know what I do

13:02

when someone calls? She's talking to you about your payment

13:04

plan. Do you know what I do? If we get

13:06

a random, I put on an accent. In

13:08

case they want to steal your

13:10

voice. But

13:12

anyway, Rosie Frost. Give us

13:14

your best random sales. No,

13:17

no, I don't know.

13:19

But Rosie Foss, she is

13:21

in number two, is

13:23

14, which is important. It's the age

13:25

of power. It's really when you're

13:27

finding your identity, there's different periods

13:29

in your life, you go, yeah,

13:31

okay, I'm reclaiming. And 14, you're suddenly

13:34

going, okay, this is who I

13:36

am, I'm finding it. Queens

13:38

have become, you know. Queens have become

13:40

queens at age 14. Which is interesting,

13:42

isn't it? Because like, you know, Famous

13:44

Five Secret Seven, The Simpsons, they didn't

13:46

age. They don't age. So you've chosen

13:48

to her. She is growing. She's growing

13:51

up. Which she will, like

13:53

Harry Potter did in his movies, Rosie will

13:55

in her movies. What

13:59

happens next for the movies? We like telling us too

14:01

much. What happens next? There's

14:04

different ways that you can produce a

14:06

movie. But first of all, you get the

14:08

screenwriter. And it's got to

14:10

be the right one. That is imperative.

14:12

It's everything to get the right writers,

14:14

to get the writer. And

14:16

then you take it to the

14:18

studio. And then that's it. Off

14:20

you go. So it goes,

14:22

producer, writer, studio. But some people don't do it

14:24

that way. What's the timeline looking like? Now,

14:27

producing movies takes time. But if

14:29

you watch your best guess when a

14:31

Rosie Frost movie might be on

14:33

the screen. Two years? Two years. And

14:35

that would be book one? Yeah.

14:37

And that's how it's going to... Yeah,

14:39

it was always written for movie. Was

14:42

it, actually? Yeah, absolutely. And how

14:44

many books are we going to enjoy?

14:46

Three. I'm writing number three at

14:48

the moment. Right. Yeah. I interviewed, this

14:50

sounds so braggy, I know

14:52

that you'll enjoy this. Brian Cox, the

14:55

physicist, I had lunch with

14:57

him and took my pen and

14:59

paper out going, can you

15:01

tell me about the black holes?

15:04

So you get to meet

15:06

really interesting people. As you

15:08

do, and you can unpick their brains,

15:10

but I was like, can you say that again, please?

15:12

And you're very studious because you talk about your

15:14

research in this book as well and people who've helped

15:16

you with the research. What

15:18

realms did you go into for

15:20

book two, this one, Rosie Frost, Ice

15:22

on Fire? What did you learn? And

15:25

are you like a magpie? Yeah,

15:28

you are. Same as me. Yeah, I

15:30

would say I'm curious, but a little

15:32

bit lazy, in the sense I want

15:34

to know enough to understand it. So

15:37

I had to learn about fusion energy.

15:39

I interviewed probably about five different physicists to

15:41

try and explain it. Is this for

15:43

three or two? This was for two, because

15:45

it's about fusion energy. and

15:47

my mind was going to explode, because

15:50

I only put a little bit in there.

15:52

Right. Enough, you know, page -turner, but it's

15:54

authentic. But there's little nods to Oscar

15:56

Wilde in here as well. Yeah, I love

15:58

Oscar Wilde. I know, so you a

16:00

bit of that in when... Yeah, so if

16:02

you like literature, you're happy, Shakespeare. There's

16:04

little nods to Shakespeare in there, but if

16:06

you want science, there's a little bit

16:08

of nod in there. But then if it's

16:10

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16:13

you want to

16:15

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16:17

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16:40

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16:42

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16:46

Do you run things past her? Do

16:48

you know what? She gave me

16:50

my first piece of advice. She said,

16:52

leave the phone out the room.

16:54

Leave the phone alone. Because otherwise, what

16:57

happens is that phone sends a text

16:59

and suddenly you're knocked out view. Do

17:01

you know about that? So

17:03

if you check your phone for one

17:05

text message, it distracts you. One text,

17:08

one message distracts you for 17 minutes.

17:10

So you have to see it takes

17:12

on average. On average, it

17:14

takes 17 minutes to get back to where

17:16

you were, not the flow you were

17:18

in, just to get the text message out

17:20

of your mind. And that's only one.

17:22

And usually when you check one, you'll reply

17:24

to one, and then there'll be a

17:27

bit of back and forth. So times that

17:29

17 minutes by whatever. And psychologically, you're

17:31

now out of the room anyway, because you

17:33

may have, was that the right response?

17:35

Should I respond? there was a reaction then

17:37

you think in you know your ex

17:39

so you so psychologically your serfs and that's

17:42

what she's bang on I mean you

17:44

know throw the phone away do you know

17:46

what I mean? It is like they

17:48

are creative killers. No question. So your own

17:50

daughter is 18 now. I know. I

17:52

mean come on. I know. university.

17:55

At university. What's she doing?

17:57

English literature. Fantastic. Yeah. Is

17:59

any of her in Rosie?

18:01

I do Actually, there was one...

18:04

Yeah, I do... There

18:06

are parts of her that... I

18:08

don't know if she'll get

18:10

cross with me if I told

18:12

about... Oh, that's inspired from

18:14

her. But there are There's

18:16

nothing not to like about her. No,

18:18

there's a couple of extreme things. But, no,

18:20

she's been very supportive of me. But

18:23

I do run things past her because she's

18:25

such a good writer. But then

18:27

she'd give me, like, funny quips. There's

18:29

jokes in it, like, I can marry,

18:31

like, I'll go sit on a cactus. You

18:33

know, there's a little bit of lightness

18:35

as well, and she's quite funny, so

18:38

I get them from her. And your

18:40

words, the things that you like doing,

18:42

is there anything that you like doing

18:44

that's in there? OK, there is a

18:46

bit in there. I just absolutely love

18:48

right because when you write you can

18:50

make anything happen right but there's I

18:52

like the murderous bits you know like

18:55

extreme but then also the love bits

18:57

there's a bit in it it's about

18:59

love and she's got those first feelings

19:01

of like she's crushing on this guy

19:03

and there's this bit and it's called

19:05

the wanting river and it's um this

19:07

estuary and it's frozen over and she

19:09

meets Jackson and they ice skate and

19:12

it's under the stars and then suddenly

19:14

he does this amazing bit of like

19:16

ice skating and then she sort of

19:18

falls into him and they kiss. Just

19:21

a tiny little Meanwhile, Charlie, who is

19:23

the rich, that's the one she should

19:25

really a... Exactly! This is the whole

19:27

point. You want to go Charlie or

19:29

Jackson? Yeah, Charlie's time will come. Charlie's

19:31

time will come. Booktree, Charlie. Don't you

19:33

worry about it. You just chill your

19:36

boots. Booktree, it's all yours, Charlie. It's

19:38

all there for the taking. Please, please

19:40

let that happen, Charlie. I mean, come

19:42

on. Poor Jackson. And

19:44

what about other things? You love

19:46

your writing, you love your music, you

19:48

love life, generally. Of course

19:50

you do. You do really get up every morning, don't

19:52

you? Squeezes as much out of life as you

19:54

possibly can. so, yeah. You always have been like that.

19:56

That's what you do. I think that's what brands

19:58

are. You love your horses?

20:01

Yes. What's the number

20:03

one thing that you like? When you've got some

20:05

spare time, family duty sorted, husband sorted. Oh,

20:07

was going to say family. I love that. You

20:09

get that for free. You get that for

20:11

free. OK, what else do I like? Is it

20:13

horses next? I

20:15

just like animals, I think, in

20:17

general. Have you read that book about

20:19

the hair? Do you know the

20:21

book I'm talking about? No. So my

20:23

daughter bought me, my youngest daughter

20:25

bought me a book for my birthday

20:27

because the lady in the bookshop

20:29

recommended it to her for me. Okay.

20:31

And it was basically the hair

20:33

equivalent of black beauty. So

20:35

not up my street. I can't even remember the name of

20:37

it. I took it on holiday. It was

20:39

really good. Don't

20:42

you just love that when you get lost?

20:44

It's about a little lever. You know, a

20:46

baby hair. You never see lever. It's like

20:48

water ship down. Sort of. Like, you know,

20:50

like man down. And what was your takeaway

20:52

from it? What was the sort of the

20:54

vegetables in chocolate? Lever. It's bringing them on.

20:57

It's not easy to look after a lever because

20:59

it's like... you know, when you get an

21:01

organ transplant, your body rejects the thing that's trying

21:03

to save it. Yeah. Well, it's saying a

21:05

little lever it, you know, human beings and lever

21:07

it. Hang on, a lever it. A baby

21:09

hair. It's a baby hair. baby hair. I did

21:11

not know that. ever seen a hair in

21:14

the wilds? I've seen lots and they're so fast.

21:16

Do you have hairs around where you are?

21:18

Yes. Do you know it's very rare to see

21:20

a hair? I do see it, but does

21:22

it mean something? No, but they're, you know, because

21:24

they're huge, aren't they? Huge. They're bigger And

21:26

so fast. Like, and they're just

21:28

like whipping through the fields. It's amazing.

21:30

Yeah, and I just wondered, because I, because

21:32

I, I read like this. Eleverate. Yeah,

21:35

I can't remember the name of the book. It's like a

21:37

big bestseller at the time, taking the holiday with me. It's when

21:39

I left it in the house where we were, because they

21:41

had lots of books like that. I thought, there you go. Oh,

21:43

that's so nice. Pass it on. Yeah, I think so. Lovely. So

21:46

you got all that going on. How was

21:48

Easter for you? It was amazing. What

21:51

did you do? Did you learn a spread? Do you

21:53

know what I did? With my

21:55

son, Monty, we had

21:57

these big water guns and

21:59

we were chasing each

22:01

other around the garden and

22:03

I went, say hello

22:05

to my little friend. Yeah,

22:10

that was so much fun. I

22:12

love playing with my children. It's

22:14

brilliant. It is the best, isn't it? It's

22:16

so good. He's eight, so it's such a laugh.

22:18

Have you seen the Martha Shoot documentary on

22:20

Netflix? No, is it good? Oh, God, it's so

22:22

good. Is it? It's so good. What's good

22:24

about it? everything is good about it. Tell me.

22:26

Well, her journey is fascinating. Yes. So, for

22:28

people who don't know, you know who Martha is.

22:31

Yes. So, you describe, what

22:33

I take on Martha Stewart? My

22:35

takeaway that she is like this

22:37

renowned domestic goddess, homemaker, amazing brand,

22:39

then went to prison for tax

22:41

evasion in some sort. No, insider

22:43

trading. But it wasn't insider trading.

22:45

Okay, so some, I didn't know

22:47

exactly, but it wasn't, you know,

22:50

it is what it is. Yeah.

22:52

And then she came out and

22:54

then she's friends with Snoop. dog.

22:56

Yeah, absolute trailblazer. Ridiculous. Okay, I'm going

22:58

to watch it. Go and tell me not the insider trading

23:00

bit or the gun to jail bit, but reminds me of you

23:02

a lot. Really? Yeah, I mean, talk

23:04

about, you know, who it's about and getting up

23:06

there and going for it. Because they said,

23:08

they said, I can't believe you haven't, sorry, I

23:10

can't believe you haven't seen it, but I

23:13

just, I think you will love this. I really?

23:15

Because you'll find up anyway, aren't you? Yeah, I

23:17

think you've got to make the most of

23:19

life. Don't squander a minute. But you watch this

23:21

and you'll be like, right. Right,

23:23

let's bring it on. won't be done

23:25

here. You know, I don't know about

23:27

you, but... had, you know, dear friends

23:29

that I've passed on, okay? I've

23:32

had one. And you suddenly

23:34

go, it happened to me when I was young,

23:36

right? My father died when I was young.

23:38

And that teaches you to make the most of

23:40

life. But then last year, my friend died,

23:42

a really dear one. And I thought, oh my

23:44

God, this life is

23:46

so precious. I want to make the

23:48

most of it, you know, with

23:50

bringing joy, doing what you

23:52

love, celebrating it, the opposite

23:55

of squander. So

23:57

that's probably what drives me on. I

24:00

think you're going to love this documentary. Oh, I'm going to

24:02

check it out. Thank you. I love a recommendation. No, it's

24:04

a crack. Have you seen? Keep going.

24:06

You were going to give me one. I was going to give

24:08

you one. OK, it's called The Studio.

24:11

It's on Apple. Right. If you just

24:13

want a like a real palette change.

24:15

Yeah, yeah. Seth Rogen's in it. Right.

24:17

It's so I was watching it in

24:19

a hotel room by myself because I

24:21

was doing the book tour. Yeah. And

24:23

I laughed from the belly by myself.

24:25

You know when you catch yourself, you

24:27

think. It was so good and so

24:29

clever. Did you watch Britain's

24:31

Got Talent on Saturday? No, is

24:33

it really good? Got to it. Got

24:35

to watch it. It's absolutely... What happened that made

24:37

you go, wow? Well, that show's

24:40

been on the air for a long

24:42

time now, a couple of decades. Yeah.

24:44

Right, and it should be passed itself

24:46

by date, but it's the opposite. It's

24:48

getting... But I said to the team

24:50

here, some genius has got their... genius,

24:52

talented, sticky paws all over the show.

24:54

I don't know who it is. And

24:56

they have, it's good anyway. It's so

24:58

life -affirming. And a couple of weekends ago,

25:00

there was a great collective on called

25:02

the Umbrella Collective, this brilliant group who

25:04

were through to the live semi -finals,

25:06

and they melted your heart. Saturday

25:09

was the same again. That show is

25:11

getting better and better and better. So there's

25:13

a recommendation. Have you

25:15

seen The Righteous Gemstones. No.

25:18

That's a very interesting name.

25:20

The Righteous Gemstones. The Righteous

25:22

Gemstones is this sort of

25:24

comedy drama about a super

25:26

preaching family in America, you

25:28

know, who get to stadium

25:30

preachers. Oh, wow. OK. On

25:32

acid. I'm writing it down.

25:34

The Righteous Gemstones. Did you

25:36

watch White Lotus? First

25:39

series. Bits and bobs, okay. That

25:41

concluded. That's a

25:43

nice light, rich enough. It's

25:45

rich enough but light in the same... The

25:47

gays, they're trying to kill me, they murder

25:49

me. The gays. Series three gets a little

25:51

bit darker. Does it? To say the least,

25:54

yeah. Yeah. Great to see you. Oh, it's

25:56

so lovely to see you. Great to see

25:58

you. Thank you so much for having me.

26:00

Isn't it interesting where this is going to

26:02

go, where Rosie Frost on fire is going

26:04

to go? Because if this book's bigger than

26:06

book one and book one smashed America, and

26:08

of course, you know, if America

26:10

catches a cold, what is it? If America sneezes, the

26:12

rest of the world catches a cold, blah, blah,

26:14

blah. Wow. So we're on

26:16

the way with this franchise. And this movie deal

26:18

if you think about what happened with Harry Potter

26:21

You had all the movies, which took

26:23

like, I think, 15, 20 years in

26:25

the end, to make from the first

26:27

word of the first book being published.

26:29

And now what you have today, you

26:31

have the new TV series Harry

26:34

Potter series lineup being announced. That's

26:36

so cool. Where could this go?

26:38

Who knows? We'll see. Because the

26:40

blueprint is there. So that's interesting,

26:42

isn't it? Because it's not dissimilar

26:44

with the Spice Girls. I

26:47

mean, I always see things. We

26:49

live in a 360 world. So

26:51

when I ride, it's always about, OK,

26:53

what does it feel like? What does it

26:55

look like? I can't help it. Yeah.

26:57

So, you know, that has music. Rosie

26:59

Frost has music with her. Yeah. You know, as I

27:01

wrote her, I could see her in pictures. Yeah.

27:04

The development path has been written now

27:06

with the Harry Potter franchise. And,

27:08

like, the Spice Girls learned from Take

27:10

That, didn't they? It was what was in December.

27:12

Yeah, I think everything's got its own path. And

27:14

then Take That learned from the Spice Girls the

27:16

next time they came back. It's great, though, isn't

27:18

it? Yeah, we're all bouncing off each other. We're

27:20

all learning. learning, it's all good, all good at

27:22

the hood. Amazing. You're great. Thank you so much

27:25

for having me and thank you so much to

27:27

Mary. Most of all, thanks to

27:29

Mary. Mary, Mary. It wasn't a reading endorsement,

27:31

it was a deafening endorsement. Mary, I

27:33

can't wait to speak to Mary, I want

27:35

to hear more. think Jackson the Post,

27:37

Christmas hampers forever in the post. Mary, thank

27:39

you, I want to know who her

27:41

favourite is and did she guess? Here's

27:43

the thing. About Ed. Here's the thing.

27:46

Because of Mary's review. And there was no

27:48

deal. There was no deal out there,

27:50

was there? And there was no

27:53

deal. Maybe Mary put it out

27:55

there thinking, this is going to end

27:57

well. How about tickets for Mary

27:59

plus one to the premiere the movie.

28:01

when it's absolutely. Is that

28:03

a deal? That is a done, done deal.

28:05

Mary, you've to be buying Mary's for that. Thank

28:07

you very much. She's to wear a dress.

28:09

for Jerry for Hallowell. Hold on. Yay,

28:11

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28:13

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