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talk, first of all, welcome to the

1:00

notes, and we are going to talk

1:02

today about two different streaming TV series.

1:04

The first of them is adolescence. You

1:06

probably heard a bit about it already.

1:09

There are many, many surprising things about

1:11

adolescence, but maybe the most surprising thing

1:13

right now is how popular it is.

1:15

It is just doing land office business.

1:17

It's racked up 66.3 million views internationally

1:20

in its first two weeks. which is

1:22

the most ever for a limited series

1:24

on the Netflix platform. At the

1:26

rate that it's going, it may

1:29

become the most watched TV series

1:31

on Netflix ultimately. It is a

1:33

four-part series. As I said, each

1:36

episode is done in one camera

1:38

take. Each one of the episodes

1:40

is kind of bottled off by

1:43

itself. The third episode is. kind

1:45

of what we typically call a

1:47

bottle episode. And it's the story

1:50

of a 13-year-old boy accused of

1:52

murdering one of his classmates, a

1:54

young woman classmate, a young girl classmate,

1:56

and kind of how that plays across.

1:59

almost in the sort of ancionne regime

2:01

idea of estates, different estates. The first

2:03

episode is really much about criminal justice.

2:05

The second one is about the schools.

2:08

The third one is about the kind

2:10

of the therapeutic community and the fourth

2:12

is about the family. So joining us

2:14

today to talk about all of that.

2:17

and more because this is going to

2:19

be a pretty complicated thing to talk

2:21

about. It is Irene Papulus who teaches

2:23

writing at Trinity College and is the

2:25

author of the essays. Only you can

2:28

write. Bill Usman, Professor of Media Studies

2:30

at Sacred Heart University, Tracy

2:32

Wu Fastenberg, is associate vice

2:35

president for development at Connecticut

2:37

Children's. You know, maybe just to get

2:40

things going, let's play a clip from

2:42

the series, you're going to hear something

2:44

from episode one, you'll hear Stephen Graham,

2:47

who's one of the protagonists, and also

2:49

one of the writers and part of

2:51

the creative team of the show. He

2:53

plays the father of the young man

2:56

who's being accused, you'll hear Mark Stanley

2:58

as Polly Barlow. I think is that

3:00

the lawyer, is that the lawyer they

3:03

call in, I think so, and let's

3:05

hear it. A1. Never even being in

3:07

a police station before. You'll be

3:10

fine. I just, I just don't

3:12

want to get it wrong for

3:14

me, lad, you know what I

3:16

mean? You'll be fine. I shouldn't

3:18

get myself. He's a good kid,

3:20

yeah? And I'm a good dad,

3:22

you know what I mean? He

3:24

really is, look, you said to

3:26

yourself, you even said he was

3:28

bright, you know what I mean?

3:31

Yeah, I did, too. Do you

3:33

understand? I can see that book.

3:35

Here we are now, and we've

3:37

this to deal with, okay? And I

3:39

think the police have some pretty compelling

3:41

evidence. Otherwise, they wouldn't have been able

3:44

to ask for blood. They wouldn't have

3:46

been able to make the entrance that

3:48

they did. I don't know what their

3:50

evidence is, but I'm pretty sure it's

3:52

gonna become clear to us very soon.

3:55

Okay? So, um, the best thing for

3:57

you to do is to raise that,

3:59

you know. Be the good

4:01

dad and then suck it up,

4:03

okay? So yes, suck it

4:06

up. So, you know, Tracy

4:08

Rufastenberg, when I said at the

4:10

beginning, one of the big surprises

4:12

is how popular it is. I

4:15

mean, I think it's surprising because

4:17

it departs so much from the

4:19

conventions of very popular television. It

4:22

starts out like it's going to

4:24

be some kind of police procedural

4:26

or maybe we're going to see

4:28

this genius court-appointed lawyer poke holes

4:31

in the prosecution's argument or there's

4:33

a lot of things that we

4:35

typically see in television and movie

4:38

products about crime. And then I would

4:40

say, feel free to contradict me, Tracy. It's

4:42

kind of none of those things. I

4:45

would agree that it's none of those things.

4:47

You know, I love a good procedural,

4:49

you know, like those are the things

4:51

we tend to watch in our house,

4:53

at least my husband and I and

4:55

not our kids. And he went into

4:57

it thinking that that's what this. was

4:59

and I knew that it

5:01

wasn't quite that but I

5:03

didn't know exactly what we

5:05

were getting ourselves into but

5:07

it was something entirely unto

5:09

itself. You know, each episode

5:12

is almost to me its

5:14

own story, its own genre

5:16

even in a way because

5:18

of the way it's approached

5:20

and you're meeting different characters

5:22

that may only be in

5:24

that episode. And so... as a

5:26

parent of an 11 year old

5:28

who is going to middle school,

5:30

I think that it hit really

5:33

hard home for me. You know,

5:35

mental health for kids is something

5:37

that's really come to the forefront.

5:39

I think due to the pandemic,

5:41

you know, something that was an

5:43

issue before, but folks really paid

5:45

attention more during the pandemic because it was

5:48

exacerbated by it was in the media and

5:50

all of that. And I think that might

5:52

have been part of the spark for why

5:54

people were interested in it to begin with,

5:56

but I think it's captured so much of

5:59

what people are. feeling about what's

6:01

going on in our own world,

6:03

what's going on in our families,

6:05

how we're worrying about how the

6:07

world is affecting our kids and

6:09

ourselves and in how we internalize

6:12

it and what we may not

6:14

know about our own families or

6:16

ourselves. And the way it approaches

6:18

it is just so visceral. It's

6:20

like one of those things you can't

6:22

stop paying attention to. This is not

6:24

background television. You can't fold your laundry and

6:27

watch this. And you know, I really and

6:29

I think one of the things that we're

6:31

kind of hinting at here too is that

6:33

that should. Typically a criminal justice TV series

6:36

or maybe a lot of movies. And there's

6:38

two or three basic premises that they start

6:40

out with. Either the wrong person has been

6:42

arrested and that's up to the attorney or

6:44

somebody to figure this out, even in the

6:47

face of overwhelming evidence suggesting guilt. Or they

6:49

can't figure out who did it and they're

6:51

looking for the so-called who done it. And

6:53

this is, I mean, if you were going

6:56

to explain to someone. What

6:58

this is without spoiling it too much. I

7:00

mean, what would you say to I mean,

7:02

I think we all very much admire this

7:05

series, but I mean, what would you say

7:07

to a person? Yeah, that's a good question.

7:09

I mean, actually somebody asked me about it

7:11

today and I said, it's something it's about,

7:13

oh no, she said, I've heard about it,

7:16

but I thought it would be too depressing

7:18

for me to watch. And so I want it,

7:20

in a way I would start with them, and

7:22

I would start with that. Unfortunately, I

7:24

didn't know anything about it

7:26

when I started watching it,

7:28

but I think it's not, you know, I

7:30

mean, given the fact that it's about

7:33

what it's subject matter, you would

7:35

think it's not a police

7:37

procedural, but it's not depressing, but

7:39

not in the way that you might

7:41

think, because it's about... So many things.

7:43

See, it's hard to define. I'm having

7:46

trouble. But for me, a lot of

7:48

it was about parenting and the nature

7:50

of parenting. I mean, that moment in

7:52

the clip that you played, I'm a good

7:54

dad. He's a good kid. You know, we all,

7:56

every parent wants to think,

7:58

or most parents. virtually all

8:00

parents want to think that I'm a

8:02

good dad he's a good kid and it's

8:05

about what gets in the way of that

8:07

and why it gets in the way and

8:09

it's kind of also about nature and nurture

8:11

and where did it come from it makes

8:13

us think about that it made me

8:15

think so much about parenting and it's

8:18

also done as a you know the

8:20

psychological drama is so interesting in a

8:22

way that a play is interesting because

8:25

the way it's filmed, etc., we'll talk

8:27

about that later, but so it's not,

8:29

it is in a way, you can't

8:32

really explain it without, even, you can't

8:34

even, I mean, even if you

8:36

spoiled it, it's not about the

8:38

plot. It's about seeing these characters,

8:40

seeing their faces, seeing the subtlety

8:42

of what's going on inside them

8:44

that is beautifully reflected on the

8:46

screen, even though it's also mysterious.

8:48

And so in that sense, I

8:50

would say I would say. That's

8:52

what it's about. Yeah, and I

8:55

think, you know, Tyrene's point, Bill,

8:57

we've been kind of conditioned to

8:59

expect answers from series like this

9:01

and for products like this. This

9:03

is who did it, or this

9:06

is why the person did it,

9:08

or, you know, we expect after

9:10

we've sat there for four hours

9:12

that certain some kind of certainties

9:14

will be disgorged to us. And

9:17

that's really not, I don't think

9:19

the business that this particular

9:21

series is in. The

9:23

only answer it it

9:25

does offer is I

9:27

think a pretty grim

9:29

and and and desperate

9:31

one and I won't

9:33

spoil anything about the

9:35

last episode But I

9:37

think those final concluding

9:40

scenes just buckle

9:42

in like brace

9:44

yourself. They are

9:47

absolutely heart-wrenching

9:49

and they're

9:51

particularly heart-wrenching

9:53

if, as Tracy said, you're

9:56

a parent. Because I think the

9:58

driving question is is one

10:01

that we could even

10:03

trace back to classic

10:05

literature. What power

10:07

do parents and families

10:09

really have in the

10:12

face of the wild

10:14

world outside of

10:16

the sanctity of our

10:18

homes? And of course now

10:21

we live in an era

10:23

where that sanctity is

10:25

breached digitally. we

10:28

have even less power

10:30

than we would have

10:32

in... previous decades. Yeah, I

10:34

think you know, I want to talk

10:36

a little bit about the second episode.

10:39

Second episode is the one where they,

10:41

the investigating officers go to the kid's

10:43

school, the school where the accused went

10:46

and where the girl that he murdered

10:48

went and, and you know, Tracy, we

10:50

see this school, it's like this kind

10:52

of dystopian place. It really just, you

10:55

know, almost is barely recognizable as a

10:57

school. The teachers make everybody on Abbott

10:59

Elementary look like they're, you know, you

11:01

know, are burned out and they can't

11:04

manage in this, Mr. Malik, who's late

11:06

for work and showing a film to

11:08

his class and he just says to

11:11

them, he says to the officers, what

11:13

do you think I can do here?

11:15

What do you look at them? And

11:17

for me, I suddenly realize

11:20

that's why this series is called

11:22

adolescence is because what's happening to

11:24

that school is it is caught

11:26

in this just wave of adolescent

11:28

aggression that has been really transmogrified

11:30

by phones. I mean the teachers

11:33

are talking to the students about

11:35

their phones all the time. That's

11:37

like the main thing they're talking

11:39

to their students about is put

11:41

away that phone, don't look at

11:43

your phone. And you, the series,

11:46

I think if you see, makes

11:48

the argument that the phone has

11:50

transformed adolescence even more than

11:52

we think. Yeah, this was actually my

11:54

favorite episode for a lot of reasons.

11:56

I think the way it was filmed

11:58

is very, that's. I mean, you can

12:01

practically smell the place. I worked in

12:03

an independent middle school before coming here.

12:05

And so I could smell the hormones

12:07

kicking in, the ax body spray, the

12:10

everything as we're walking down the hall.

12:12

But yeah, I think that it definitely

12:14

was something that. was everywhere. You could

12:16

feel the adolescence sort of pouring off

12:19

of all of the kids, but you

12:21

saw it in so many different forms

12:23

too. You saw it in the character

12:25

of Jade who I loved. I think

12:28

that I wish we knew more about

12:30

her. I think that she encompassed, you

12:32

know, sort of the lost kid who

12:34

is a good kid, and so you

12:37

want to know more about her and

12:39

you sympathize with her. And then you

12:41

see all of kind of the on

12:43

mass effect of the social media. that

12:46

happens with phones that kids are constantly

12:48

connected to and what effect that has

12:50

in in a mask group. You know,

12:52

right now we're sort of struggling what

12:55

to do with our daughter when she

12:57

goes to middle school and there's this

12:59

movement, you know, wait till eighth, you

13:02

know, don't give your kids a smartphone

13:04

until eighth grade. Well, there's the social

13:06

implications there that, well, if you're not

13:08

online, then there's... penalties in your social

13:11

circles for that. If you are online,

13:13

then you can see all of what

13:15

happens as far as getting made fun

13:17

of or having things posted about you

13:20

or passed on that you didn't want

13:22

to. And so the school I feel

13:24

like encapsulated it really well. My challenge

13:26

to that is that yes it definitely

13:29

was a little preachy of the phone

13:31

is the problem. Well I think that's

13:33

the phone is the problem but then

13:35

beyond that a subset of the phone

13:38

is the problem is a specific kind

13:40

of content is the problem so we're

13:42

going to play another clip here this

13:44

is one of the two investigating officers

13:47

his name is D.I. Luke Bascom. His

13:49

son happens to go to this school.

13:51

He's played by a Mari Baca says

13:53

Adam and one of the things that

13:56

it turns out this detective doesn't understand

13:58

it. all is the kind of content

14:00

that is coming in there. He's not

14:02

even familiar with the term Manosphere, which

14:05

I found a little surprising, but... And

14:07

so there's this kind of Rosetta Stone

14:09

moment where his son, who's not really

14:11

on the same page with him, they're

14:14

a little bit estranged, one senses. His

14:16

son just finally pulls him aside and

14:18

tries to explain to him what's going

14:21

on. A-2. Looks like she'd be a

14:23

nice, right? Isn't she? A dynamite. What

14:25

do you think that means? It's

14:29

an exploding red pill. Pills, the

14:31

blue pills, means you see the

14:33

warders that want you to. That's

14:35

when the Matrix. You've been watching

14:37

the Matrix. What? What? Don't worry.

14:39

Yeah, don't worry, carry up the

14:41

Matrix. Redpool's like, I see the

14:43

truth. It's a call to action

14:45

by the Manisfi. Manisfi. Which is

14:47

where the 100 comes in. The

14:49

80 to 20 rule. 80% of

14:51

women are attracted to 20% of

14:53

men. Oh, she's saying he's an

14:55

Ninsul. He's an Ninsul. Dad's. He's

14:57

13. How can you be in

14:59

voluntary settlement at 13? I know.

15:01

Who's in celebrate at 13? Huh?

15:03

She's saying always, Obie. That's what

15:05

they say you're an insult. You're

15:07

going to be a virgin forever,

15:09

basically. And all those people have

15:11

fighted, which means they're agreeing with

15:14

her. Okay. So this is, this

15:16

is bullying. I didn't know. It's

15:18

hard to believe, like all that

15:20

from two symbols. I just thought

15:22

you needed to know. It was

15:24

just embarrassing watching you blunder about.

15:26

So, by the way, Van As

15:28

a suggestion, maybe the D.I. does

15:30

know what the minister is. He's

15:32

just surprised to hear it in

15:34

this context. But, I mean, Irene,

15:36

I think this is a big

15:38

argument. It's connected to so many

15:40

different things. I think it's deeply,

15:42

deeply connected to the outcome of

15:44

the 2024 U.S. election. You know,

15:46

I thought about that a lot

15:48

while watching this. But you're hearing

15:50

this young student, explained to his

15:52

father, what amogies mean about red

15:54

pills and stuff like that. you're

15:56

suddenly aware that it's not bullying,

15:58

it's radicalization using a vocabulary that

16:01

a certain segment of society is

16:03

familiar with and another one isn't.

16:05

But I love your thoughts too.

16:07

Yeah and the father says all

16:09

that from two symbols, you know,

16:11

yep. And yeah, I was sort

16:13

of wondering how much of it.

16:15

is so you know because there

16:17

was all there's always been bullying

16:19

and you know that this the

16:21

phenomena that they're talking about have

16:23

always been around but this is

16:25

intensifying it so it so much

16:27

that I mean I think about

16:29

my college students who you know

16:31

are are are are suffer a

16:33

lot because of the worry about

16:35

what is somebody going to say

16:37

on me say about me online

16:39

so that's just in general online

16:41

but then when you go into

16:43

the idea of the in cells

16:45

and the deliberate deliberate framing of

16:48

everything that they're doing and the

16:50

deliberate humiliation of other people that

16:52

they're doing it's you know it's

16:54

terrifying what else is there to

16:56

say about it but so well

16:58

let me just show me here

17:00

and Bill I think one other

17:02

thing there is to say about

17:04

it is that this language of

17:06

the manosphere the language of the

17:08

blue pill the red pill and

17:10

stuff like that it has a

17:12

very specific and pretty radical meaning

17:14

which is that you know It

17:16

is a message to young men

17:18

that the world that they have

17:20

been living in is an illusion

17:22

created by other people. And that

17:24

all this stuff about tolerance and

17:26

acceptance and about making equal room

17:28

for other people and sharing space

17:30

and certainly about young women having

17:32

opportunities. It's all... really an incredible

17:35

gigantic lie which you can shed

17:37

from your eyes and ears simply

17:39

by this one step of metaphorically

17:41

taking a pill and that's why

17:43

i say radicalization this is a

17:45

very very radical movement and this

17:47

thirteen-year-old boy seems to be very

17:49

very poisoned by it yeah and

17:51

you you know the point of

17:53

that clip that you showed and

17:55

why that second episode is so

17:57

key to the series is that

17:59

if you don't know the semiotics

18:01

of this you're baffled you you

18:03

have no idea what's happening and

18:05

that's what the son tries to

18:07

do with the father he tries

18:09

to give him a little lesson

18:11

in the semiotics of social media

18:13

and emogies and you know that

18:15

you're you're watching that second episode

18:17

and like you all say about

18:19

the school you're thinking Like this

18:22

is a horrible for you know,

18:24

this is this is Lord of

18:26

the Flies if they had social

18:28

media on the island What is

18:30

going on here? But it is

18:32

because of what's happening with that

18:34

radicalization and because how much of

18:36

that radicalization is about gender polarization

18:38

and gender division and the boys

18:40

being told being propagandized that they

18:42

have lost their power, that their

18:44

legitimate role is to be the

18:46

dominant force, and they are going

18:48

to get it back. And that

18:50

you see even some of the

18:52

girls have started to buy into

18:54

this. And there's that line that

18:56

comes up a few times that

18:58

that is part of this propaganda.

19:00

you know 80% of women are

19:02

attracted to 20% of men. The

19:04

message there is you have to

19:06

be a dominant alpha bullying misogynistic

19:09

male and that's how you're going

19:11

to get the girl. Whether she's

19:13

attracted to you or not. That's

19:15

what will bring her to you

19:17

and it's... So incredibly destructive and

19:19

one of the the the brilliance

19:21

of the show is is it

19:23

so real? That is Absolutely what

19:25

is happening in our schools. Yeah,

19:27

whether we want to admit it

19:29

or not and I just want

19:31

to just jump in and say

19:33

that I I think that dynamic

19:35

or that sort of Presentation sort

19:37

of offers two different options and

19:39

I think one of the characters

19:41

actually says one of the other

19:43

option one of them is to

19:45

be yes within the world of

19:47

the manuscript I turn this off

19:49

and use this high status male.

19:51

A high status male is the

19:53

male that 80% of the women

19:56

want. But one of the characters

19:58

says you have to fool them.

20:00

That's the other thing that you

20:02

can do. You can see that

20:04

honest dealings between the sexes are

20:06

probably not going to be all

20:08

that quote unquote profitable for the

20:10

young men who are subscribing to

20:12

this set of beliefs, right? You

20:14

have to be dishonest in a

20:16

way that will benefit you. It's

20:18

so sad and you see. you

20:20

know them suffering because of it.

20:22

Yeah and you see the kid

20:24

you see that human innocence still

20:26

exists and it pops out every

20:28

once in a while and you

20:30

know and but it gets crushed

20:32

by the by the wave of

20:34

this of these beliefs and wanting

20:36

to fit in with your peers

20:38

and all that. But he still

20:40

wants the marshmallows and the hot

20:43

chocolate. Well it leads us to

20:45

the third episode really is I

20:47

think you know. legitimately kind of

20:49

a bottle episode and it takes

20:51

place almost entirely within a kind

20:53

of conversation room in an institution

20:55

where Jamie's seven months I think

20:57

after his arrest is is still

20:59

living a psychiatrist played by Aaron

21:01

Doherty comes in Brini is her

21:03

name and the pretty much the

21:05

entire episode is her conversation with

21:07

him. It's one of several that

21:09

they've already had. Might even be

21:11

the fourth or fifth meeting that

21:13

she's had with him. And we

21:15

all think I think had very

21:17

strong reactions. I'll just sort of

21:19

get my bias out of the

21:21

way. I actually think this episode

21:23

is going to be like taught.

21:25

Not only in schools, but teaching

21:27

up, you know, young people about

21:30

their own lives. But I think,

21:32

you know, you know, movie making

21:34

and television making schools. interrogation episode

21:36

from homicide life on the street

21:38

or the fly episode from from

21:40

breaking bad and so like that

21:42

I just think it's just a

21:44

kind of remarkable piece of television

21:46

but not everybody saw it quite

21:48

the same way and so woo

21:50

we should go over you next.

21:52

So you know I actually watched

21:54

it twice I watched this episode

21:56

twice because the first time I

21:58

actually I didn't love it in

22:00

in certain ways I thought it

22:02

was critical to the story and

22:04

what was trying to be accomplished

22:06

but in certain ways I thought

22:08

it in not unrealistic but sort

22:10

of the therapist or the psychiatrist

22:12

I thought she almost seemed to

22:14

unaccustomed. to this sort of interaction

22:17

with a suspect, patient, whatever you

22:19

want to refer to Jamie as,

22:21

and seems sort of almost innocent

22:23

in certain ways. I mean, there's

22:25

even certain lines where he says,

22:27

look at you all hopeful, you

22:29

know, and when he... gets less

22:31

than compliant. You know, she looks

22:33

rattled very early on. And that

22:35

sort of, that threw me of

22:37

course, sort of like, oh, okay,

22:39

you know, they've been, this is

22:41

not their first meeting. This is

22:43

sort of interesting. I do think

22:45

sort of the middle portion of

22:47

it, the meat of it is

22:49

really, it's important to understanding him,

22:51

him as a character, thinking is

22:53

and referring back to episode two,

22:55

you know, when we're talking about

22:57

the manosphere and all of that

22:59

and how it relates to him

23:02

and how he sees it. And

23:04

the interaction between the two, the,

23:06

you know, the tennis match, the

23:08

ping pong, whatever you want to

23:10

call it, right? To see it,

23:12

develop and see it crescendo and

23:14

decrescendo throughout the whole thing was

23:16

really interesting to watch. I will

23:18

say upon watching it a second

23:20

time. I do like how it

23:22

ended. You know, it kind of...

23:24

So you think like silence and

23:26

the silence of the landscape needs

23:28

to toughen up a little bit?

23:30

I mean, well, no, not. She's

23:32

not in the same room with

23:34

Hannibal Lecter. She's at a like

23:36

a Webster bank. drive-through window getting

23:38

her receipts back from Annable Lecter

23:40

and she's scared. I have high

23:42

standards, man. Well, you know, one

23:44

thing I want to talk about

23:46

here, and I think a number

23:49

of you watch it twice, I

23:51

have two, and one thing that

23:53

becomes much more clear, Irene, is

23:55

that you know the notion that

23:57

she has that that the psychiatrist

23:59

has kind of a lifeline in

24:01

the form of the staff of

24:03

the institution is drastically undercut by

24:05

the fact that the person she's

24:07

dealing with the most is not

24:09

just exactly hitting on her but

24:11

he is invading her in every

24:13

possible way at one point he's

24:15

talking she's looking at one of

24:17

his screens he's talking two or

24:19

three inches away from her ear

24:21

and he's also mentioning that he's

24:23

been reading a book about body

24:25

language is interesting because he's just

24:27

all over her being incredibly extra

24:29

as the young people say these

24:31

days and so she doesn't feel

24:33

he in a normal situation he's

24:36

the guy she wants to get

24:38

away from in this situation he's

24:40

part of the you know the

24:42

lifeline system that's going to get

24:44

her out of trouble if she's

24:46

in it i think that might

24:48

be one reason she's kind of

24:50

rattle yes and it's and it's

24:52

also a beautiful illustration of how

24:54

that dynamic that happens between men

24:56

and women where that when the

24:58

men feel that they have more

25:00

power or that they should be

25:02

asserting asserting or whatever operates at

25:04

all kinds of levels. It doesn't

25:06

have to be a criminal level

25:08

at all. And her face was

25:10

so, I mean, just the acting

25:12

is so amazing, the way her

25:14

face was when he was standing

25:16

there. So she was just kind

25:18

of like, okay, there's a bug

25:20

over here that I'm trying to

25:23

avoid. I have to just like

25:25

push it away a little bit,

25:27

but she was trying to concentrate

25:29

and yeah, it was just beautiful

25:31

and it and it is an

25:33

interesting. double love yeah like a

25:35

like a little a little a

25:37

little a little taste of the

25:39

of the same exact dynamic which

25:41

exists everywhere as we all know

25:43

yeah this is the guy you

25:45

want to get rid of you

25:47

all every woman has met of

25:49

150 of those guys you want

25:51

to see I think he actually

25:53

is like literally flirtatious with her

25:55

at the beginning of that episode.

25:57

But in a kind of in-sell

25:59

away. Well, because he's, you know,

26:01

he's 13, right? Oh, you mean

26:03

Jamie's flirtatious? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

26:05

yeah. No, I'm talking about Jamie

26:07

with the therapist. And, you know,

26:10

and she kind of goes along

26:12

with it to a certain extent?

26:14

Yeah. Because she, that's her way

26:16

of getting in. to him and

26:18

watching it I couldn't help but

26:20

think about the Sopranos and you

26:22

know Tony's interactions with Dr. Melfi

26:24

and there's an episode where she

26:26

goes too far and he rages

26:28

and throws a table across the

26:30

room and it felt very much

26:32

like that. to me. Except that

26:34

this was a child. Well, he's

26:36

a child. Tony Sopano was 13

26:38

once too. Yeah, he's a child

26:40

who has done something really terrible.

26:42

Yes, okay. I mean, I guess,

26:44

yeah, so that was what I

26:46

was thinking about of how much,

26:48

you know, how, how, how, to

26:50

me there were, there were, of

26:52

his childness. Yes, there were. Yeah.

26:54

And, and that were, that seemed

26:57

very real to me in spite

26:59

of. in spite of everything else

27:01

and it didn't seem, I mean

27:03

he was calculating but not as

27:05

calculating as Tony Soprano could be.

27:07

We should say something about the

27:09

acting here too. We're going to

27:11

run out of time and we're

27:13

kind of extending it a little

27:15

bit, but I should say Stephen

27:17

Graham and Aaron Doherty who plays

27:19

the psychiatrist thing. They're both in

27:21

a series called One Thousand Blows

27:23

that dropped at almost the same

27:25

time. I haven't had a chance

27:27

to watch it yet, but I

27:29

think they both have very big

27:31

roles have very big roles in

27:33

it. Well, when Cooper's that his

27:35

name? Who's, I mean, watching this,

27:37

and my understanding is that they

27:39

did, I think, for each of

27:41

the episodes, they did about 10

27:44

takes. And they did the whole,

27:46

you know, hour thing, 10 times.

27:48

And then they kept, I think,

27:50

the, for two of the episodes,

27:52

they used it, the second one

27:54

that they did. This one, they

27:56

went. this is where their last,

27:58

this is their last take, but

28:00

even so, for this young man

28:02

at his age with essentially no

28:04

acting experience to put on that

28:06

kind of performance in one take

28:08

with no editing or known nothing,

28:10

it takes my breath away. I

28:12

thought he was phenomenal. I mean,

28:14

just... the different nuances of what

28:16

he was able to convey, just

28:18

to be able to do what

28:20

Irene was just saying, give those

28:22

little glimpses of a child, but

28:24

then almost immediately revert back to

28:26

the anger and the sort of

28:28

calculating moves, but then you can

28:31

see him really well. But do

28:33

you like me? And then go

28:35

right back to it. I mean,

28:37

it just was masterful and something

28:39

that you wouldn't expect out of

28:41

a brand new actor who's 15

28:43

years old. And to be able

28:45

to keep that momentum going for

28:47

an entire way, it really was

28:49

like, I can't wait to see

28:51

what this kid does. Yeah, go

28:53

ahead. Can I just say one

28:55

thing about the fourth episode, which

28:57

is really about the family, and

28:59

it makes you think, it makes

29:01

you think about where this came

29:03

from, not to blame parenting or

29:05

anything like that, but the kind

29:07

of emotional experiences that he had

29:09

with his parents and that his

29:11

parents had with him and with

29:13

each other, are a really interesting.

29:15

factor in everything else in the

29:18

show I think and so that's

29:20

also interesting and that's what makes

29:22

you think like where did this

29:24

come from you know it's yes

29:26

it's social media but what happens

29:28

in it happens outside the home

29:30

but what happens inside the home

29:32

is really important too. Bill a

29:34

final word for us? Yeah I

29:36

like Tracy said I want to

29:38

see that kid. you know, playing

29:40

Hamlet, you know, in 10 years

29:42

or something. And he can do

29:44

it in five, you know, Irene's

29:46

right. Yeah, Irene's right about how

29:48

important, you know, the family dynamic

29:50

is there. And that one that

29:52

that fourth episode gives us one

29:54

brief moment of levity and joy

29:56

and love. in that family until

29:58

I won't say anything more. Yeah,

30:00

I think the other thing that

30:02

those two conjoined episodes do too.

30:05

There's a moment, there's almost a

30:07

rash among quality of first young

30:09

Jamie and then his father tell

30:11

the same story about his father

30:13

trying to get him interested in

30:15

playing football, meaning soccer. And they

30:17

tell it sort of the same

30:19

way. But it just, first of

30:21

all, it feels very universal. I

30:23

mean, I think so many young

30:25

men have felt like they were

30:27

disappointing their father in that way.

30:29

And it just kind of tears

30:31

your heart out for both of

30:33

them. All right, so we have

30:35

to stop, adolescents. It is, you've

30:37

probably already seen it, but if

30:39

you haven't, see it before you

30:41

hear too many more conversations like

30:43

this one. Tracy Wu Fastenberg has

30:45

got to go back to work.

30:47

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30:49

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30:52

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32:17

back with the nose. We are

32:20

down one player, but that's all

32:22

right. We'll play, what do they

32:24

call it in hockey? I can't

32:26

remember what it was called. Well,

32:28

I will play short-staffed here. Irene

32:30

Papulus teaches writing at Trinity College.

32:33

The author of The Essays Only,

32:35

you can write, Bill Eustman, Professor

32:37

of Media Studies at Sacred Heart

32:39

University. And we are going to

32:41

talk about Long Bright River, an

32:43

eight-part Peacock limited series created by

32:46

Nikki Costano, and the novelist Liz

32:48

Moore, based on Moore's book. and

32:50

five of the eight episodes were

32:52

co-written by Liz Moore. Liz Moore

32:54

writes a lot of kind of

32:56

bestseller kind of mystery kind of

32:58

things. This I should also say

33:01

is part of Philadelphia. having this

33:03

incredible moment on streaming television. There's,

33:05

let's see, there's Dope Thief, which

33:07

is out right now, set in

33:09

Philadelphia with Brian Tyri Henry, Delhi

33:11

Boys, said in Philadelphia, coming soon

33:14

is Mark Rufflow, doesn't do television

33:16

much, and something called Task, also

33:18

set in greater Philadelphia. So there's

33:20

something going on here with Philly.

33:22

Anyway, this stars, Amanda Amanda Safry,

33:24

and the British actor Nicholas Pinick,

33:27

as Truman Daws, her former partner.

33:29

Fans of the Wire will be

33:31

glad to see John Derman back

33:33

doing something that he's doing a

33:35

role. Most John Domen performances are

33:37

kind of similar. This one gives

33:39

them a little bit more to

33:42

chew on. Fans of Ray Donovan

33:44

will be glad to see Dash

33:46

Meehock back as Eddie Lafferty who

33:48

has a short stint as Amanda

33:50

Saferade's partner. And let's play a

33:52

little clip from it. This is

33:55

from Long Bright River. This is

33:57

episode one. You are going to

33:59

hear Dash-Mehock as Eddie Lafferty and

34:01

Amanda Safraid. This takes place in

34:03

what I believe is called the

34:05

Kensington District Area of Philadelphia, where

34:07

we are shown in the series.

34:10

It's a place where a lot

34:12

of homelessness and sex worker activity

34:14

is a feature of life on

34:16

the streets. Here we go. I'm

34:18

trying to do my job here,

34:20

okay? I'm trying to be your

34:23

partner, but I can't do it.

34:25

What all you do is leave

34:27

me in the dark. I tell

34:29

you what you need to know.

34:31

No, you don't. Every time I

34:33

ask you, you're ducking in this...

34:36

poppy store. You don't tell me

34:38

where we're going, or what we're

34:40

doing or why. And you certainly

34:42

don't tell me why you have

34:44

such a fricking a fricking. And

34:46

you won't tell me why. I

34:48

mean if you want one of

34:51

these victims or something. No, I

34:53

don't have to know the victims

34:55

in order to care about what

34:57

happens to them. The question is

34:59

why you and her and all

35:01

your cop buddies, you play baseball

35:04

with don't seem to give a

35:06

shit. That's not, I give a

35:08

shit, okay? I do give a

35:10

shit. Look, but maybe it's not

35:12

such a bad thing. Don't get

35:14

me wrong. It's a shame when

35:17

anyone dies. Okay? What kind of

35:19

life. Right? I mean, you know,

35:21

maybe they're... Maybe they're what? I

35:23

just feel bad for them, is

35:25

all. I don't think that's what

35:27

you meant. You want to know

35:29

why I don't tell you anything?

35:32

You got your answer. So I

35:34

should say I think I'm the

35:36

only one here that's gotten all

35:38

the way through the all-eight episodes,

35:40

but obviously Bill... Almost anything is

35:42

going to suffer in comparison to

35:45

adolescence. So anything was going to

35:47

be let down. But tell me

35:49

a little bit about how you're

35:51

thinking about this. So I've gotten

35:53

through all but the last episode.

35:55

If Long Bright River was one

35:58

of my students, it would have

36:00

started out with an F on

36:02

their first assignment and I would

36:04

not have been hopeful for their

36:06

success in the class at all.

36:08

But I'll say it gets better.

36:10

And by the time I got

36:13

to the seventh episode, I'm thinking,

36:15

you've kind of like moved your

36:17

average up to maybe like a

36:19

C. see plus maybe even you

36:21

know there's a potential for like

36:23

a B minus we'll see what

36:26

happens so it does get better

36:28

you know I think It has

36:30

one really fatal flaw to me,

36:32

which so many shows do, and

36:34

I feel like you've probably talked

36:36

about this on the nose or

36:39

on other episodes of the Colin

36:41

McEnroe show, this idea that it

36:43

has to be created for people

36:45

who are multitasking. You have to

36:47

be able to be able to

36:49

be playing games on your phone

36:51

or something and still understand what's

36:54

going on. So everything is overly

36:56

explicit. Overly explained the dialogue becomes

36:58

so clunky because of that that's

37:00

what really put me off at

37:02

first All right. So I mean

37:04

a lot of whether you like

37:07

this series or not, or probably

37:09

does have to do with what

37:11

Bill's talking about. But I think

37:13

the other thing I mean is

37:15

safe reads performance, which I liked

37:17

and you didn't like, but if

37:20

you don't like safe reads performance,

37:22

you're probably going to have a

37:24

real problem with this series. Right,

37:26

though I have to say, as

37:28

a teacher, I can relate to

37:30

Bill's analogy and I did feel

37:32

that its grade was getting better

37:35

as I went. I just felt

37:37

like her hair was too beautiful.

37:39

Her, you know, like she just

37:41

wasn't, she didn't have a draw.

37:43

I wanted to get her, I

37:45

wanted to get her a messy

37:48

brown wig that she could wear

37:50

to make her look a little

37:52

bit more frazzled. You know, it

37:54

was just like perfect hair and

37:56

she just didn't seem like the

37:58

kind of person that would spend

38:01

all that time. brushing her hair

38:03

and putting it into a beautiful

38:05

bun and everything and then I

38:07

realized okay if we just stop

38:09

with that like just just accept

38:11

her hair for a minute if

38:13

you can accept her hair it

38:16

was also the way she was

38:18

she was delivering the line seemed

38:20

I just I just didn't believe

38:22

it at first but I have

38:24

to say that also that is

38:26

really has grown on me a

38:29

lot and it has to do

38:31

with the way that she doesn't

38:33

talk. I mean, the way she

38:35

holds her truth and her realities

38:37

in is kind of interesting, even

38:39

though sometimes I was yelling at

38:41

the screen and saying, like, just

38:44

say it, just say it. You

38:46

know, just tell them. But it's

38:48

kind of like a little bit

38:50

more believable or understandable as we

38:52

learn more about her. So. And

38:54

I had read an article in

38:57

The Times before I saw this

38:59

about her and about how she's

39:01

trying to, you know, stretch, you

39:03

know, because she's from mean girls,

39:05

you know, and she sort of

39:07

has that, you know, those beautiful,

39:10

giant eyes she has and everything.

39:12

And so she kind of looks

39:14

like a certain sort of person

39:16

that I had had trouble moving

39:18

away from with her acting. of

39:20

questions on the nature of the

39:22

family there. And then of course,

39:25

her performance is Elizabeth Holmes, one

39:27

or all kinds of awards. But

39:29

see, I think what you said

39:31

is sort of the point. This

39:33

character is a little bit implausible.

39:35

She's somebody who grew up wanting

39:38

to be a professional kind of

39:40

concert level musician. Her instrument is

39:42

the English horn, which is kind

39:44

of a misleading term because... basically

39:46

kind of an oboe double-readed you

39:48

know wind instrument and there's an

39:51

awful lot of I mean I

39:53

was thinking that you know this

39:55

is that rare series that has

39:57

as its soundtrack stuff from Ashkenazi

39:59

and and from Liszt's spouse which

40:01

I have a sentimental attachment to

40:03

because of my own involvement with

40:06

it but also like G Love

40:08

and you know Tierra Wack and

40:10

stuff like that but to me

40:12

she's not supposed to be a

40:14

cop she never should have a

40:16

cop. She's not right to be

40:19

a cop. And I think how

40:21

poorly that fits is a lot

40:23

of her character. Interesting. Just like

40:25

her uniformed, it doesn't fit very

40:27

well either. So it's sort of

40:29

like, that's true. So she's trying.

40:32

So she's trying. So in a

40:34

way, the thing I'm criticizing her

40:36

for is the character, trying to

40:38

be a cop, even though it

40:40

doesn't suit her. Yeah, I can

40:42

see that. Yeah. I mean, once

40:44

again, it suffers in comparison to

40:47

adolescence. You know I thought particularly

40:49

also in its evocation of place

40:51

now Bill that you've gotten a

40:53

little bit further you can maybe

40:55

see what's done although the final

40:57

episode really drives home the whole

41:00

mummers aspect but just like a

41:02

sense of a place I think

41:04

is is uniquely conveyed here. Yeah

41:06

it does do that you know

41:08

I I was thinking and I

41:10

may have said to Irene earlier

41:13

it kind of reminds me of

41:15

there's been a spate of there's

41:17

been a spate of television shows

41:19

with kind of, you know, tough,

41:21

smart, although she's not that tough,

41:23

but smart, sensitive, troubled women cops

41:25

set in a particular kind of

41:28

environment. I'm thinking of mayor of

41:30

East Town. I'm thinking of the

41:32

last season of true detective. And

41:34

I feel like it wants to

41:36

be that. And it does do

41:38

that in some interesting ways. And

41:41

it does that visually. in some

41:43

interesting ways, but I'm still caught

41:45

up by, you know, just the

41:47

writing. I think what ends up

41:49

happening is that a lot of

41:51

the characters, to me, become sort

41:54

of just like off-the-shelf, you know,

41:56

kind of stock characters, you know,

41:58

this is like... the the crusty

42:00

but good-hearted grandfather this is the

42:02

crusty but good-hearted cop this is

42:04

the crusty but good-hearted neighbor you

42:06

know how many crusty and good-hearted

42:09

can we And then it does

42:11

I think also crusty the clown

42:13

is in he has a small

42:15

role there. It's not a big

42:17

role Yeah, that is best work

42:19

either, but he's in there. He's

42:22

in there You just wanted to

42:24

do that. We have to be

42:26

able to laugh on this segment

42:28

of the show because of the

42:30

first one it would have been

42:32

insensitive. I also just want to

42:35

say, so I have two Papulian

42:37

through lines, I realize. One of

42:39

them is what you call your

42:41

grandfather, because in episode three of

42:43

adolescence, it turns out if you

42:45

call your grandfather pop pop, that

42:47

might mean your posh. And in

42:50

this one, John Doberman's character is

42:52

G-popop. fact you know i i

42:54

invoked her in terms of episode

42:56

three of adolescence i think the

42:58

amount of secret character micky There's

43:00

that question about Clarice. She seems

43:03

a little fragile, you know, and

43:05

she seems like maybe the person

43:07

who might not be able to

43:09

hold a gun steady in a

43:11

bad situation. Does she have some

43:13

other element of toughness and resilience?

43:15

I guess you haven't seen the

43:18

movie. I'd better not say what

43:20

the answer is. But for both

43:22

of them, there's sort of that

43:24

question, right? Is this person able

43:26

to deal with very tough situations?

43:28

And I think the answers are

43:31

kind of interesting. But I stopped

43:33

the conversation and that's good because

43:35

we have to do endorsements anyway.

43:37

So take a break. We'll come

43:39

back. We'll make some recommendations. A

43:43

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43:45

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43:47

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44:07

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Connecticut Housing Partners. Hi Colin, guys

44:16

this is exciting. What's on my

44:18

mind today is I love a

44:21

proper winter. Hi, I have a

44:23

question about the Hartford Whaler. I

44:25

want to talk about... I want

44:27

to talk about... I want to

44:30

talk a little bit about vernacular

44:32

and language. Wonding what your favorite

44:34

song was. The question is, is

44:36

a hot dog sandwich? Who are

44:39

those people talking? Well, most Mondays

44:41

at 1 p.m.m. on the Colin

44:43

Mackinrow show, we do take your

44:45

calls about whatever you want to

44:47

talk about. public. And we are

44:50

back. Well, I wanted to see

44:52

one thing, which is, after all

44:54

the stuff that I said about

44:56

the kind of Meesonsen of Philadelphia,

44:59

Long Bright River was actually shot

45:01

in New York City. Which is

45:03

kind of funny. All right, time

45:05

to see some thank yous. One

45:08

of them is to the Mice

45:10

Dro, Del and Rais. All was

45:12

sitting in there cooking up new

45:14

musical plans and technical producing stuff.

45:17

We're going to make some recommendations

45:19

for you, right. Now, Bill, why

45:21

don't you get us started? All

45:23

right, I'm going to, not to

45:25

make light of it, but I'm

45:28

going to stick with the child

45:30

killer theme for my endorsements today.

45:32

The first one is a 1986

45:34

film called River's Edge, which starred

45:37

Crispin Glover, Keanu Reeves, Dennis Hopper,

45:39

about a group of teenage friends

45:41

in Northern California who find out

45:43

that one of their friends has

45:46

murdered. his girlfriend. It's been, Salon

45:48

called it the darkest teen film

45:50

of all time. It's a strange

45:52

movie in a lot of ways

45:55

and very, very disturbing. And then

45:57

not quite as serious, and from

45:59

30 years before that, the bad

46:01

seed. 1956 psychological thriller about an

46:03

eight-year-old girl whose mother suspects that

46:06

she's murdered a classmate. That girl

46:08

has been called by Paste magazine,

46:10

one of the best portrayals of

46:12

cinematic sociopaths. It's been remade a

46:15

couple of times, but I really

46:17

think the original is the way

46:19

to go on that. And then

46:21

just quickly, because you brought up

46:24

Big Love, the HBO series, which

46:26

about a Mormon fundamentalist family kind

46:28

of living in secret in many

46:30

ways. Wonderful, wonderful show. It really

46:33

was kind of an amazing show

46:35

for its time and even for

46:37

now. Irene Papulus, what have you

46:39

got for? Well, I have on

46:41

the, you know, in the theme

46:44

of the woman detective in a

46:46

world of men who can't... who

46:48

has to assert herself, but keeps

46:50

a lot to herself. I just

46:53

caught up with something that maybe

46:55

everybody else already saw, because it's

46:57

from quite a few years ago,

46:59

Top of the Lake, also a

47:02

hard to remember title exactly, but

47:04

top with Elizabeth Moss, and it

47:06

takes place in New Zealand, and

47:08

just an amazing. you know, show

47:11

in every way and I and

47:13

I just loved it and her

47:15

performance and just started season two

47:17

with and Nicole Kidman showed up.

47:19

So it's it's a very interesting

47:22

series about the same kind of

47:24

theme of of secrets and silence.

47:26

I also have another one I

47:28

mean I never I don't recommend

47:31

anything about Colin's show in particular,

47:33

but I just yesterday listened to

47:35

the interview that you did with

47:37

Tim Snyder, and I happened to

47:40

be reading his book on Freedom,

47:42

which I find really interesting because,

47:44

partly because it combines... history with

47:46

memoir so we learn a lot

47:49

about him from that book it's

47:51

it's very it's a very interesting

47:53

book and then listening to the

47:55

interview yesterday after that in the

47:57

process of reading that was really

48:00

interesting so I recommend it. Yeah,

48:02

we're gonna, we just decided right

48:04

now, but I think we all

48:06

knew this anyway. We will re-ear

48:09

that show tomorrow on these radio

48:11

stations at noon, and it's also

48:13

available as a podcast, and it's

48:15

really created quite a lot of

48:18

talk, because Tim Snyder is a

48:20

uniquely incisive, moral, and humane mind,

48:22

and it's just sort of fascinating.

48:24

I'm just gonna say a little,

48:27

a few words that just kind

48:29

of endorsed the actor Stephen Graham

48:31

in general. He has the unique

48:33

accomplishment of... having played three real-life

48:35

American gangsters. He's a British actor.

48:38

He played Al Capone in Boardwalk

48:40

Empire. He played Anthony Provenzano, better

48:42

known as Tony Pro in the

48:44

Irishman, and he played baby face

48:47

Nelson in Public Enemies. Michael, a

48:49

man, Dillinger movie. And he's the

48:51

missing Walberg brother. Does anybody see

48:53

that except me? I don't exactly,

48:56

no. There's a certain thing. OK,

48:58

sorry. I realize now, I mean

49:00

I thought the first place I

49:02

saw him was in Boardwalk Empire,

49:05

by the way I would recommend

49:07

if you were going to watch

49:09

any of those three things, I

49:11

would watch Boardwalk Empire and his

49:13

incarnation of Al Capone is really

49:16

interesting and very different from anything

49:18

you've ever seen. And I was

49:20

astonished after watching it to find

49:22

out that he was British. On

49:25

the other hand, it turns out

49:27

I had seen them before around

49:29

midnight at the, what is that,

49:31

the IFC theater down there in

49:34

Greenwich Village, you know, you go

49:36

to the minute by Sun and

49:38

hour, the midnight movie, and which

49:40

is the movie that I am

49:43

going to kind of recommend. You

49:45

didn't even, I have to watch

49:47

the whole thing. It's called, this

49:49

is England. It's about skinhead culture

49:51

in England. As a very young

49:54

man, he plays a character name.

49:56

i mean the reason to watch

49:58

it or maybe to not watch

50:00

it is some of the seeds

50:03

of the stuff that we're talking

50:05

about you know in terms of

50:07

nativism, in terms of a kind

50:09

of toxic version of masculinity being

50:12

brought to the fore as something.

50:14

desirable and admirable. Is there in

50:16

that movie a very early on?

50:18

And then on a happier note,

50:21

and I, both the, the Master

50:23

Dylan Reyes and I, we're co-

50:25

endorsing Jensen McRae, she's got a

50:27

new album coming out, but check

50:29

out the song Massachusetts right away.

50:32

It's a great song. If you

50:34

like Taylor Swift, I bet you

50:36

you will like this. And we're

50:38

also gonna endorse the artist May

50:41

Simonas and her song, Dango's, and

50:43

her song Dango Duhan. With more,

50:45

thanks to Bill Eusman, Tracy Wufastenberg,

50:47

and Irene Pupulus, and thanks to

50:50

you for listening. Vernon, Danbury, Waterfarry,

50:52

All the Barry, Woodbury, Keaton on

50:54

New Britain, Vernon, how they said

50:56

that one, Avon, Farmington, yeah, yeah,

50:59

yeah, yeah, yeah, you're all the

51:01

rain.