0:12

next thing know i come in kitchen and

0:14

, says i'm looking out and i'm like like the

0:16

hell is that blue light out there man he has a duty

0:18

was like this is robert bush it's

0:21

two thousand and nine and he's working

0:23

as a paranormal investigator looking

0:26

into the otherworldly on behalf

0:28

of the us the you heard

0:30

me you says he's telling us

0:32

about guy he went to interview in ventura

0:35

county california who had

0:37

been witnessing strange happenings by

0:39

his place sphere and

0:41

seemed like it was like a wormhole

0:43

was what how he described it opened up

0:46

and to bush this guy didn't

0:48

seem batty he seemed credible

0:51

like bush he was former law enforcement

0:54

well spoken i'll put together so bush

0:56

and his team organized twenty four hour

0:58

surveillance property surveillance set

1:00

of their gear cameras and we had

1:02

thermal devices we had some night vision devices

1:08

on first day santa they

1:10

wait and , it

1:12

was uneventful but

1:15

on second night on clear california

1:17

night july july ,

1:20

this fog and in and

1:22

was just like the a typical bogeyman

1:24

movies you notice for i'm not kenya that the

1:26

fog roseanne dude and it is getting

1:28

so thick right now and you could tell

1:31

that temperature dropped drastically

1:33

while next the and all just like in the movies

1:35

the equipment starts balan bad restart

1:37

game drained audio equipment like

1:40

the summer storm out of nowhere

1:42

and night went from and to

1:44

weird while

1:46

they're trying to process what's going on something

1:49

catches bush going team's attention

1:52

and then i look and from observation

1:55

posts you could see a streetlight

1:57

often a distance despite a totally

1:59

this

2:00

there's a minute

2:02

this minute this

2:05

wish

2:06

and some of his team drive down

2:08

to get closer look at what exactly is

2:10

happening in the fog then

2:12

i'm like okay bomb you

2:14

, want security right you

2:16

watch in that direction i jump outta got

2:18

digital handheld camera and start

2:20

taking photographs and my path about that that

2:22

taken photographs as fast as cat and

2:25

our next you know we're looking at it

2:27

and we see this this ,

2:30

is i can describe it as but was about

2:32

the size or of size basketball and

2:34

it looked luminescent said

2:37

dropdown or this clouds dealt

2:39

said dropdown and golf this light post and

2:41

harvard off ground you could

2:43

not see anything

2:46

an orb descending look outside fi

2:48

snowflake from this low hanging cloud

2:52

That's why I looking up into that cloud and

2:55

that's why had to anybody else. Do you see what I see

2:57

in there? What did he see? And

2:59

I'm telling you three

3:01

big heads with big eyes. Can

3:05

see of crap, you can't see anything, it's invisible,

3:07

but I'm telling you in that

3:09

cloud in that vapor, in that mist,

3:11

whatever you want to it, where three very

3:14

Brady's distinct heads and

3:16

I and it like they were looking out

3:18

of a crap, out of a out

3:20

of a or something like that. It was like, why do

3:22

they were there? And and I was like,

3:24

no way Bush did lose his

3:26

mind. He had a to do so

3:29

we're calling back to command post. And are you getting

3:31

any of on video? Are you getting this on video now

3:33

and all that So going down, man.

3:35

You ain't got to these pictures Soon,

3:38

the fog Fades, the beings

3:40

disappear. It's like the light

3:42

switch was flipped back to normal. The

3:45

team goes out to the field to investigate

3:47

the There was no

3:49

Footprints out there. There was no. disturbance what's

3:52

were rarely vegetation and the surrounding

3:54

area none whatsoever

3:57

this is what bush signed up for

4:01

nothing can prepare you for a three

4:03

headed being emerging out of thin air

4:06

i could not explain do what is still

4:08

wakes me our i mean you just can't explain it

4:10

but was there

4:13

bush was a subcontractor

4:15

sense to look into weird

4:17

shit working under a multimillion

4:20

dollar us government contract let's

4:23

, for a moment dear listener since

4:26

twenty seven team to the stars has

4:28

been clamoring for you a p

4:30

to be considered a matter of national

4:32

defense defense former government

4:34

guys leicester cross got

4:36

a fighter pilot videos out the to

4:39

all to pressure the government to

4:41

take action and yet out

4:43

of public view less than public

4:46

earlier the government was already

4:48

looking into the otherworldly

4:50

as matter of national defense what

4:53

they were up to well it wasn't

4:55

at all but it seems after

4:58

years of trying i was finally able

5:00

to hear directly from somewhat involved

5:02

in that program on the record

5:05

robber bush

5:07

health me piece things together and

5:09

course the listener our conversation

5:11

pleased he or she is t his

5:15

muzzle he for the day with a real

5:17

former fox mulder real soldier

5:20

marchioness forward to marchioness new understanding

5:22

or strange world on

5:24

m super nice from something else

5:27

with his friends network alien state transmission

5:30

for real x

5:32

files

5:41

all right months

5:43

in the making of planning friend as

5:45

being for someone who

5:50

the remain quiet so

5:52

, i'm very close with me

5:54

on my skin walker

5:56

wrench wasn't the only stop for

5:59

me and casey my producer on

6:01

our paranormal road trip

6:03

our next stop sin city las

6:05

vegas the to talk to robert

6:07

bush he's the guy you heard

6:09

the top the one contracted

6:11

to x file back in two thousand and nine

6:14

around the time lou elizondo started

6:16

interviewing fighter pilots

6:21

elizondo melon that

6:23

stars guys they talk about

6:25

the security risk of having unknown

6:27

craft hanging out around us military

6:29

activities when they are calling

6:32

for the government and public to investigate

6:34

this matter it sounds extremely

6:36

reasonable it's the story

6:38

we all heard about the whole reason

6:41

i have this show and my bosses

6:43

have paid for me to speak into this microphone

6:45

made of solid gold even the

6:47

internal parts at a actually

6:50

makes for really lousy mike that

6:52

they'll need any demand make good

6:55

, like robert bush experienced well

6:57

his story sounds like jj abrams

7:00

holy grail right right yet

7:02

this is probably the first time you're hearing

7:04

about it like gets while

7:09

the to the stars guys are talking

7:11

to chill rogan and coast to coast every

7:14

chance they get investigators

7:16

like bush have been pretty zip

7:18

zap i have talked to seven

7:20

people who were published or worked under

7:22

the same programs him and he expressed

7:24

they'd like to go on

7:27

finally

7:29

bush agreed talk to me on

7:31

record going public for the first

7:33

time robert

7:41

wow rather i'd heard how

7:43

you when i arrived here only the timing how

7:52

love to hear oh my god and reform we

7:54

had just arrived in las vegas and this was

7:58

well as surprising stars bush

8:15

he suggested we meet at a twenty

8:17

four hour italian restaurant where you can

8:19

die and because it's vegas

8:21

gambling and time at

8:23

the same time

8:27

the eventually he

8:29

had

8:31

sixteen great double and his chin

8:33

he looks at frazzled days in say

8:36

oh yes absolutely america

8:41

yeah yeah ago he turns out maintenance

8:43

entered his apartment without his knowledge to do

8:45

some work and they left his place

8:48

a mess it looked like a break

8:51

the

8:51

conclusion he jumped to first else

8:54

tells you lot about how bush world

8:57

what just pulled me so i apologize

8:59

if i'm little tired whatever x is like i

9:01

said it's been a brutal slow you

9:03

guys on my gone in bathroom real quick to have

9:05

no always read the script damage there is no compromise

9:08

or audio video recording devices are like

9:10

that that

9:12

joking are

9:14

, that it's really a for loop what are my gut says

9:16

way reproduce not been bit jumpy

9:18

this guy was telling us to go stripped down for

9:20

him to check for wires after

9:23

we agreed to a recorded interview fun

9:26

guy

9:36

the down

9:38

food water some fears and war

9:40

and begin to try to understand the past

9:42

his life would take that would leave him to

9:44

x filing women got caught up in his spam

9:46

and baby so we like know what

9:48

gone into military size was that in my career

9:51

on bush's death

9:53

death makes him enlist in the army

9:55

at seventeen later he

9:57

joined the las vegas police and

10:00

it'll investigation idle idle see

10:02

things that you guys see things i'm

10:04

always in at all the flight and he

10:06

says he's hypersensitive to is insanity

10:08

his eyes move around to check if

10:11

anyone is following him he jumps

10:13

if there's an unexpected noise

10:16

sitting with bush events like sitting

10:18

with the other government guys brand

10:20

and fuel of skyn walker ranch he

10:22

doesn't sound like he's delivering media

10:24

talking points are pushing an agenda

10:27

feel the he's trying process like

10:30

he's been through some shifting and

10:32

it internet will screw them or ptsd

10:34

besides that helpless as spelling of not

10:36

be my save somebody's life i've been in there

10:38

and bobby killing people are and

10:40

in it's it's not a good mindset you know to me

10:43

wanted to serve some greater mission

10:46

and he lives with the consequences

10:48

of that work while to las

10:50

vegas pd he teamed up with homeland

10:52

security and was specialist

10:54

within the technical analytics

10:56

services division because background

10:58

in covert and intelligence operations

11:01

i'm like elizondo he didn't move

11:03

up in the entire world he bounced

11:05

around he trained people in making

11:07

surveillance equipment

11:09

the one album radioshack and building covert

11:11

audio and video interception devices

11:13

and no one how to do gps is in fracking

11:16

and sources the next actual job

11:18

is to be a p ice that's a

11:20

private investigator for long turns

11:23

out that boring

11:24

so keeps searching for job

11:26

that would let him look into something little more

11:29

interesting and then i went online at

11:31

actually i think was through indeed a

11:33

, jobsite jobsite i seen

11:35

that they were coming up with you know bigelow know

11:40

bigelow indeed a

11:42

covert government mission exploring the

11:44

paranormal was indeed the

11:47

on indeed of

11:49

course that's not exactly how

11:51

it was phrased in the listening the

11:53

posting was for an investigator

11:55

with an affiliate company of bigelow aerospace

11:58

which is owned by robert

12:01

became a multimillionaire off extend

12:03

to see motels thoughts can walk arrests

12:05

and sold us to brendan single to

12:08

, sens in his resume and and

12:10

next thing he knows he gets a call from a guy

12:12

named couldn't tell couldn't killed

12:14

her as a biochemist he interviews bush

12:16

for job looking into u f into reports

12:19

e x y en dag a big part of our job

12:22

was of to identify

12:25

ah what these anomalies more face

12:27

com for false and based on maneuverability

12:30

and so on and so forth so and

12:32

then kelleher starts asking plus

12:34

if he's into weird shit i

12:36

heard of ever heard of move on of i've heard of these different

12:39

projects and so on so far that i said yes

12:42

that's

12:44

right bush wasn't just of that

12:46

who could make surveillance equipment with stuff

12:48

from radio shack he had had lifelong

12:51

weird shit interest the

12:53

first organization he lists movement

12:56

there's not muffin enthusiast group

12:58

it's the mutual you a phone network it's

13:01

been around for decades it's were regular

13:03

people can report strange happenings

13:05

you just saw an orb funding in your

13:07

backyard one day allen's the place to senate

13:09

report regular

13:12

joes who thought investigating the stuff

13:14

is a cool hobby would look into it move

13:16

on they still exist by the

13:18

way recently they were looking into

13:20

an extremely loud noise that erupted

13:22

in pittsburgh on new year's day and twenty

13:25

twenty two what bush

13:27

with his backgrounds and knowledge of

13:29

your phone networks that make me want a muffin

13:32

was an ideal candidate

13:34

that

13:35

was always at inquisitive papers and that unlike

13:38

the oh yes mama figgins

13:40

and numerology and that kind of stuff like

13:42

when the zodiac killer came out used

13:44

drive me nuts if i'm not able

13:46

solve anything is it would be definitely is

13:49

one those things you just spend your my duty can't stop

13:51

it's like drug you know he can stop

13:53

can to to it and of a needless to say

13:55

he was stoked to investigate the

13:57

unexplainable you know those things

13:59

that actually can can't be explained

14:02

and yeah where was like yeah i'll jump

14:04

on this with important

14:06

by this point in conversation our

14:08

bellies are full are fears empty

14:10

bush tells us were not far from the

14:12

bigelow offices where he used to work

14:14

and offers to take us there we settled

14:16

with haven't had of yeah

14:26

why would anyone hiring his position

14:29

the answer to that question is a source

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15:58

sorry i'm driving driving

16:00

producer key themes in the backseat recording

16:02

robert bush is in the front seat giving

16:04

me directions to his old office where he

16:06

worked for bigelow aerospace back in

16:08

two thousand and nine while

16:11

we're on way let me tell you how

16:13

this program came to be and

16:15

how bush got his dream job with as

16:17

you can imagine it's a very straightforward

16:20

and not at all sketchy fair

16:23

this office we are on our way to

16:25

came about because james the cask

16:27

he saw a yellow floating mobius

16:30

strip at skyn walk around remember

16:32

he met with bigelow and then use his

16:35

d i a connections to turn on

16:37

the government money forces now

16:39

let's unpack how all that happened

16:42

so

16:44

prepare yourself good listener take your part

16:46

of the wall put your cellphone in the freezer

16:49

draw the curtains so no one can spy

16:52

and get your read yarn ready

16:55

you'd we know big company

16:58

aglow aerospace got a boatload of

17:00

taxpayer money around two thousand and

17:02

eight allowing them to study his

17:04

monster mash won't chase you oppose

17:06

and higher guys like bush said

17:09

big question we want to answer is

17:11

how to think the money money

17:14

if had a lot to do with a nevada

17:16

senator who had long reputation

17:18

for paranormal for paranormal

17:21

reid and , had

17:23

to have the fourth and his

17:25

idea the studying the ranch and

17:28

read was like said yes all

17:30

with of the funds to make sure these cases have

17:32

club sunglasses and that device that makes

17:34

people forget things like the movies but

17:37

racing men racing black money even as

17:39

racing powerful sen is

17:41

a tricky thing to accomplish interviewed

17:45

harry reid and twenty twenty three year before

17:47

he passed away so i asked them how

17:49

it went down in

17:52

the original bed for the contract

17:54

it seems that like you athos

17:56

in you athos t are not mentioned in x

17:59

ah and they've been lot discrepancy

18:01

that that was that was done on purpose

18:03

i was done on purpose you

18:05

can you explain why why why do that they

18:08

didn't you read the

18:13

document closely you

18:15

will find that certainly could include

18:18

don't think we've got

18:20

had the to the putting out to be thought would be better

18:22

that excites flying saucers

18:25

the gunfight not your job was just a

18:28

casual praised praised just

18:31

about anything right

18:34

we the proposal to look into

18:36

you iphone

18:38

didn't mention anything about

18:40

you oppose it didn't mention

18:42

skyn walker ranch or doing any

18:44

kind of monster mash at all instead

18:47

it requested money to figure out how

18:49

to make the weapons of

18:51

the future

18:55

covered perpetually

18:57

thinking movie terms i picture

18:59

and ocean's eleven moment

19:01

okay see

19:05

stayed , two thousand two

19:07

and senator reid nuclear scientists

19:09

the cats eat and multimillionaire

19:11

bigelow are all standing in front of

19:13

the lazio fountain in vegas nursing

19:16

lukewarm beers they

19:18

are a pickle they need to convince

19:20

the government to give them money to look into

19:22

you ufos non human

19:24

entities the things allegedly

19:26

seen at skyn walk walk read

19:31

accept first suggesting the robber

19:33

casino but , glow

19:35

in can you talk him down down

19:37

a brief moment moment the

19:40

blasio silence springs and

19:43

the answer springs look healthy let

19:46

us congress and pentagon

19:48

love read

19:52

turns his head the pentagon slowly

19:54

appearing on his face mccaskill

19:57

winks you athos are basically

19:59

new weapon it'll

20:03

be , see we need money to look into

20:05

era speech from the

20:07

future

20:10

read whispers to himself you

20:12

, son of a a

20:14

way pitch to we

20:16

cross cut to three of them in an office

20:19

breeds is pacing back and forth ringing

20:21

his hands the cats feverish li

20:23

types feverish proposal where in a

20:25

technological foot race with our adversaries

20:28

bigelow is reading overlooked bigelow his shoulder

20:31

ah these apps his gonna ah

20:33

these apps stuff

20:35

are that it because

20:38

ah awesome

20:40

they say stands for the advanced

20:43

aerospace weapon systems application

20:45

programming but programming like to think

20:47

it's awesome kaiser the pentagon or

20:49

set cut

20:52

to the next day read walking into

20:54

the pentagon and throwing proposal

20:57

down on the desk of higher up bureaucrats

20:59

whose signature this all depends on the

21:02

director eyes read up

21:04

and down let

21:06

me get this straight he says

21:09

you want money to study futuristic

21:11

advanced weapons read

21:14

saul those heart a moment of panic

21:17

this guy know we're quite a capture monster

21:19

from the other dimension and not give

21:21

him do futuristic movements proposals but

21:24

you got just

21:26

when read was about to break

21:29

the director slaps his desk your

21:32

are real bad ass harry

21:34

macomb bleed read

21:39

i'm going to make an awesome

21:41

narrator of it once my movies

21:43

greenlit my microphone will be made

21:45

of diamonds until then your

21:47

listener let's zero in on the important

21:49

facts reads proposal

21:52

to department of defense said nothing

21:54

about you ufos nothing about

21:56

trying to create a seal team skyn walker

21:59

nothing weird and all instead they

22:02

promised they provide research into

22:04

weapons technology fifty years into the future

22:07

that's how they got twenty two million dollars

22:10

and with read senatorial power he

22:12

made money rain like amid to thousands

22:15

music videos set the strip club

22:17

once approved the people the pentagon looked

22:19

to find a contractor the

22:22

pentagon loves to outsource according

22:25

to chris from melon the former pentagon

22:27

guy there was really only

22:29

one company that seriously took the bit

22:32

you can be only better for this twenty two million

22:35

dollar government contracts to look

22:37

at that him

22:39

and weapons of the future one

22:43

the globe company that's

22:45

how nevada based mogul robert bigelow

22:47

was given government funds to study his

22:49

own ranch and filled out hq

22:52

that's a course for long in las

22:54

vegas skyn walker

22:56

ranch bigelow had small team

22:58

of investigators who spend their days

23:00

looking for a giant wolves that can be killed

23:02

by bullets watching electro magnetic

23:04

readers and geiger counters searching for signs

23:07

from beyond logging who came

23:09

in and out of property it

23:11

even set up baby choice and

23:14

tried communicate with the intelligence

23:17

that allegedly lives on the ranch he

23:20

also had a whole other operation

23:24

and up as i am like am domestic the

23:26

roof the building the building strange slate

23:29

you fo the same don't

23:32

know we all yeah i

23:34

call in and park outside the gate

23:36

building it's not terribly large

23:39

and ten with a pastel green

23:41

trim the building is surrounded

23:43

by budget in sweets that's

23:45

the glows hotel chain the behind

23:48

it the backdrop of vegas the

23:50

neon glow of an adult theme park

23:52

if youre going put and office that was

23:54

designed look like us o anywhere they

23:57

it does seem like the place

24:00

go inside but bush remembers the

24:02

place and it's rhythm you

24:05

going to this entrance right here

24:08

in , met with another security guard he'd

24:10

want you to make sure they have been kinder

24:12

than your cell phones only personal blogs

24:15

would be retained in a locker off

24:17

the side which isn't a little hallway author

24:19

right over here bush was thrilled

24:21

to get to work itself i was like how yep

24:23

put me in you know i want game

24:25

balls and as because you know that's what

24:27

i mean that's why said have alpha protect

24:29

this country against all enemies foreign and

24:31

domestic doesn't matter who they are but

24:34

but sort out for a year even others were

24:36

to ask to seems

24:39

to pass tests at his

24:41

new gig and we went on mock exercise

24:44

where and aircraft where next he

24:47

says they were developing training protocols

24:49

on what to do and casey was investigating

24:51

a u f o crash simulate

24:54

you a new york morning

24:56

, now and it it

25:02

cold crash

25:04

and what have you ever crashes one one

25:07

one one

25:11

love to have seen it once

25:13

was hello agents the really train

25:16

the paperwork began and we'd

25:18

look these reports anything then smart

25:20

anything interest

25:26

new fun of course

25:28

people like a former police officer

25:30

in california who saw wormhole out

25:32

his window ordinary folks who

25:35

looked into the sky and believe they saw

25:37

something extraordinary the

25:39

company funded by a us

25:41

intelligence agency but access

25:43

to move on database and two thousand and eight

25:46

including interview transcripts and

25:48

and he collected evidence anyways

25:51

and task one for bush after placing

25:53

his cellphone in locker was to

25:55

look through files and see if there was

25:57

anything he should investigate further i

26:00

wish they went through around ten to

26:02

twenty of these reports something's

26:04

allows spike the subject after

26:17

the building exterior and the heavy security

26:20

it was very much an office job filled

26:23

with managers managing we

26:25

would have daily briefings and that particular

26:27

wrong and , have go over taste

26:29

as in south what's going on out there guys

26:31

and what you find in out there you know how you how

26:33

and a severe witness seems to be credible

26:36

credible were even guest speakers

26:39

how i will mention any names but we

26:41

had marine fighter pilots we

26:43

had other individuals that would come in and

26:45

give classified give the

26:48

navy pilot videos showing this tic

26:50

tac seats you a p bush

26:52

says they saw the for for the rest for us he

26:54

kept track of any new technology that was

26:56

being worked on where it was coming from

26:59

and was was going i

27:01

always have my chart was right there on my wall

27:03

that any new aircraft

27:05

that was being tested regardless where

27:07

tested and from what country

27:09

it was from from was identified on their

27:12

we had different programs

27:14

are computers we knew of every

27:16

military and every civilian satellite that

27:18

was deployed so they have a better

27:20

chance of correctly identify an aircraft

27:23

okay this one of ours is a one of one

27:25

is it terrestrial the extraterrestrials

27:29

consisted of calling witnesses

27:31

discussing cases the team cross

27:33

referencing what witnesses and shouldn't be

27:35

the sky the try to debunk

27:37

shouldn't from the office anything with

27:40

seemed promising guy

27:42

speed force killer and

27:44

then presumably robert bigelow if

27:47

the bigwigs were intrigued a team

27:49

of three investigators would be sent out investigators explore

27:55

there are cases that to this day bush

27:57

thinks about like one in crown point

28:00

go and pumping station

28:02

an operator of the facility

28:04

is this describing what took place where

28:06

it was like being a lot of hundred foot long like fifty

28:09

foot tall six foot around

28:11

diameter of concrete pillar or

28:13

down and had a ground or the strongest nation

28:15

in his guy was in charge of pumping station

28:17

in his report that all the sudden stops

28:19

picked up in thrall like a couple hundred yards

28:22

away bush tries

28:24

to find a non creepy explanation

28:27

so explanation

28:29

no one all around the corner one

28:31

hundred conditions were

28:40

no earthquakes know tornadoes

28:42

no one don't

28:49

know why we're our yeah

28:52

cause

28:53

the company had accepted

28:55

the building created procedures the

28:58

know maybe operation jets

29:03

in ventura

29:05

county california where he saw

29:07

the fog and break or been big eyed

29:09

creatures he hopes immediate action

29:12

would be taken

29:13

i was gonna a little chap the little bit animators

29:16

began because when i did an initial briefing

29:18

to kill her with guy who interviewed

29:20

him the biochemist it's all

29:22

the more my observations were anymore

29:24

we're concurred as a team work

29:27

where miss going on in there and he was like

29:29

now he was he like admin not

29:31

as artifact and as lens flares isn't

29:33

that his boss was enthusiastic

29:35

about the reports but they had they had

29:38

over what was in one photo this

29:40

was real i couldn't walk up and tortured

29:42

the target i guess it's tangible that it's right

29:45

there but i'm telling you what i seen and i'm

29:47

telling you that when the very next night we went out to try and

29:49

replicate it we could not do it okay

29:51

and in the daylight there was no evidence can

29:54

be duplicated

29:56

after experiencing something like this something

29:58

that to tab and he the normal

30:01

everyday explanation bush felt

30:03

like a lot more investigating money and time

30:06

and equipment should really go into this

30:08

area

30:11

i was in charge of this program i'd send

30:13

larger team to follow up setup surveillance

30:15

equipment try to communicate with the beings

30:18

you know the whole nine yards it

30:20

flatbush on arm and give and attaboy

30:22

maybe promotion maybe even give him

30:24

clearance to secret floor so he can continue

30:27

investigating his amazing discovery with

30:29

a state the arc year that's been kept

30:31

hidden nothing

30:33

happens right no good

30:36

listener this isn't the movies

30:38

then he just said okay thank you for

30:40

your report not arrested and and that was

30:42

at we don't know what what i have no idea what they do

30:44

we reports from here

30:47

that was

30:48

the exe file agents had experienced

30:51

something truly disturbing the

30:53

do to flee returned to hq with footage

30:55

and reports it seemed like

30:57

nothing came of it then

31:00

soon after they started

31:02

doing in his parents the

31:04

offices but quickly

31:06

the staff of x filers began shrink

31:09

the like okay this one this when hayward sorts

31:11

of or they were like all the other day it's okay

31:13

can i say they want to see you upstairs my

31:16

team leader home and it was

31:18

like okay for downsizing were started

31:20

do this and that may going to transition in

31:22

common a homeowner then ahmad the door

31:25

after roughly four months of working for bigelow

31:27

bush says was fired

31:29

as abruptly as this transition

31:32

to address

31:37

not long after being hired bush

31:39

and his fellow tax filers were fired

31:42

in hindsight bush saw the red flags

31:45

the more like disgruntled ,

31:47

that sense as a man yeah were underpaid

31:50

overworked the typical day and you know there is

31:52

no sense of direction the left and in the from bush's

31:54

perspective the company had no real

31:56

plan for things that truly seems

31:58

unexplainable we are

32:00

when we bag and seven and how we tag

32:02

and seventy how are we going to go out and

32:04

actually and

32:06

and one of bush's biggest crime was

32:09

that the fancy equipment was it says

32:11

enough my opinion we had nowhere near

32:14

the amount of equipment that we needed to

32:16

do a really efficient

32:19

you know analysis of that property

32:21

and or surveillance

32:23

of that property you look at ghost hunters

32:25

and other organizations that have sensors

32:28

and you'll have you'll have it's p a passive

32:30

infrared the weiss is whether it's size medical

32:32

seasons up is what i gotta use enemy out

32:34

they do a rodeo he gave me a half as parents

32:36

apps i guess one step over here hurts

32:38

my probably boards and gonna we hear that i'm forget

32:40

about them to do the right

32:46

it was unclear to push that anyone

32:48

had their shit together the behind

32:50

the scenes with as mysterious as his

32:52

adventures in the field we're

32:54

looking the building he points to door

32:57

the

32:57

right back here they had secure rome

32:59

that once we brought evidence and from

33:01

the field we wouldn't even go into this area

33:04

right here we the men at the back door here

33:06

and be gone back to see how they got these

33:09

doors had had there and then was all secured

33:11

and process i don't know what they did with

33:14

fans the evidence

33:16

he has no idea where any of work

33:19

for his reports have gone

33:20

i've always been like

33:23

an overachiever and my father still that

33:25

and to me from a young time that

33:27

you want to be the best to can possibly via

33:29

that the job that he hoped could

33:31

be a meaningful career and

33:34

it unceremoniously

33:36

and crap equipment the vagueness

33:38

made him feel like it was waste of time

33:41

and when i feel like feel like and some expressing

33:43

some like dancing it's on my national security

33:46

still to this day why we did not go

33:48

to prom for new mexico to me this

33:50

was case of pumping station that bush

33:52

found very compelling that was case

33:54

of any case it about why don't we go

33:56

there unless somebody else was involved

34:00

this mysterious program left bush

34:02

was even more mysteries that happens

34:04

to the data he collected were more

34:06

people involved why we're he

34:08

and his coworkers fired well

34:11

, to christopher melon the guy the

34:13

pentagon on nine eleven the one who

34:15

told us that bigelow was the only bitter

34:18

not everyone was stoked about

34:20

the progress and what was up to

34:25

the pentagon didn't want his program

34:28

they didn't cooperate with him

34:30

melon wasn't involved in this program and

34:32

he didn't have high opinion of

34:34

i'm not saying it's the program was

34:38

these workers but it certainly was not word

34:40

a the senators hope intended it would

34:42

be guess the jig with

34:45

maybe the da realized they

34:47

were funding investigations of were wolves

34:49

in utah and wormholes and california

34:52

not a new weapons research

34:54

they were hoping for and maybe

34:56

that explains subpar gear the

34:58

lay off the cases they didn't look into

35:01

and if you build building hire staff

35:04

and by even not the best equipment

35:06

you can blow through twenty two million pretty

35:08

quickly right the maybe

35:11

that's the whole story

35:14

but let's take the pictures your kids true

35:16

off the walls of throw your phone

35:18

the garbage disposal and get

35:20

out the red yarn again bush

35:23

, was expendable he

35:25

said he wasn't paid much others

35:27

i've spoken to have also said the same thing

35:30

it seems like they hired a clutch of footsoldiers

35:33

to go and do the grunt work work

35:36

maybe give them crafted gear and with

35:38

a comeback with meeting you

35:40

keep them silo did you cut them

35:42

loose when they're no longer needed and

35:44

then what is in those back rooms

35:47

bush was never allowed in you

35:49

have the credentials scientists that

35:51

the real experts going through the data

35:54

doing who knows what with who

35:59

we're i haven't completely lost it and

36:01

my connecting threads a you bet i

36:03

am i'm not as widely

36:05

speculated keller

36:08

, biochemist who interviewed and dismissed

36:11

bush well he and are pearl

36:13

the task either nuclear scientist who saw

36:15

mobius strip it's good luck a wrench they

36:17

wrote book about the time working on this

36:19

your bow programs in it's they

36:21

devote a whole chapter two bush's ventura

36:23

county california case case

36:25

the books they say they sent all the

36:27

evidence to the to as

36:30

well as a two hundred and fifty seven

36:32

and report scripts

36:35

and have seen faces and cloud the

36:37

book says the turned in the reports

36:39

but this is safe a thing was don't move towards

36:44

when

36:47

let me spin some theories gear

36:49

listener

36:51

maybe they had been unsuspecting

36:53

we slipped acid which is

36:56

thing that the us government is actually done

36:58

that that's for different time the

37:01

record i know that acid doesn't

37:03

make you see monsters like this are at

37:05

least so people have told me that you know

37:07

maybe they were slip some sort of treat whew

37:11

maybe it was holograms remember

37:13

hologram to park maybe the

37:15

do you d were actually testing weapons

37:17

the future weapons that make people

37:19

think monsters are among us three

37:23

maybe desire to see something the

37:25

desire to know that we are not

37:27

alone spending all your time thinking

37:30

about that and preparing yourself to see

37:32

something it maybe that can

37:34

alter perception for

37:37

maybe they experience something from

37:39

out of this world or on this dimension

37:41

for

37:44

me the more you know that the more you

37:46

dig in the harder it is to sound

37:48

same there , program

37:51

run by an owner of haunted fresh

37:53

based out of building shape letting us

37:55

how how the hell am supposed to

37:57

take the

38:01

there's were accurate and heist

38:03

credentials credentials leader the

38:14

and stage , interview

38:16

people involved i tracked ease your focus

38:19

is down and more i find the

38:21

more absurd it seems full

38:23

of sound and fury and it

38:25

sounds totally any use record button

38:27

is it significantly

38:31

the three

38:34

step back string is everywhere

38:37

food wrappers are on floor there's

38:39

this weird smell you don't even smell

38:41

anymore in your apartment look

38:44

at a big picture what what

38:46

does it all add up to your listener hi

38:50

do not know

38:54

i

38:58

can't how much on

39:00

, movies chance

39:03

to

39:05

or the ranch the same guy who

39:07

met with lou elizondo remember

39:09

, i met the is the director

39:11

very intelligent very no nonsense

39:13

and and just decent human being he

39:16

was very committed to it it

39:19

that's when he asked question where thought about

39:21

your about to sign

39:23

do describes the work he did looking

39:25

into you a p it

39:27

sounds pretty different from cask

39:30

he was investigating

39:32

no not have said this on cnn

39:35

the , of the program was

39:37

identify those things

39:39

that we see whether or

39:41

we see them electronically we see them with

39:43

radar and try to ascertain and determine

39:46

if that information is a potential

39:48

threat to national security in nutshell

39:51

the cats the was running was whole other program

39:53

that investigative reports like this

39:57

in that missed whatever you want caught in

39:59

that right

40:00

there were three vibrate

40:02

distinct heads and eyes

40:08

mccafferty got the ball rolling

40:10

on the real life as files stuff

40:12

he also got elizondo interested

40:15

in the national defense stuff these

40:17

things are different connected

40:20

everything is connected little

40:23

a company with all his ex

40:25

filers and his ranch full of paranormal

40:27

activity didn't change existence

40:30

as we know it at least not publicly

40:33

hope to we have for to the stars

40:35

and feet like minded people

40:37

who held senior positions minded us government

40:40

helps to fighter pilot figures released the

40:43

of a lot of places in government are waiting for us

40:45

to do something wrong suggests that the whole do down

40:48

next transmission do listener to the stars

40:50

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40:55

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