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2:07

do you

2:09

do when

2:12

you get

2:15

the thing

2:18

that you

2:20

always hoped

2:23

for? And

2:26

your life

2:28

is ruined. a

2:31

nice little contention of people here

2:33

in the discord so it's lovely

2:35

to see all of your familiar

2:38

avatar faces. What is going on?

2:40

That's that that is the million

2:42

dollar TCU question. What is going

2:45

on? Well in mid-December in an

2:47

episode that still hasn't actually been

2:49

publicly released but will be this

2:52

week hopefully Matt and I discussed

2:54

how 2024 was a bit of

2:57

a tornado with all of the

2:59

projects that we had and all

3:01

of the work that we were

3:04

doing with Popular Science, the documentary

3:06

film that we made in Austria,

3:08

about the Polavision, and sort of

3:11

getting all of our ducks in

3:13

a row to do the job

3:16

properly of revitalizing that channel. Well,

3:18

since then, we're no longer working

3:20

on that project, and... Matt has

3:23

had a series of like personal

3:25

life things happen that can't be

3:27

ignored. And all of a sudden

3:30

it's mid-February and I'm sitting here

3:32

and I'm thinking, you know what?

3:35

It's time to just start recording

3:37

again. So here I am recording

3:39

the podcast. Thank you all for

3:42

your patience once more and for

3:44

not forgetting about us because we

3:46

did not forget about you. So

3:49

for now I will be hopping

3:51

on and just discussing what has

3:53

been going on in my brain

3:56

lately. I've also been working on

3:58

my book, that's my other sort

4:01

of big announcement, what I've been

4:03

doing all this time here in

4:05

the beginning of 2025, is that

4:08

I've started working on Sleep Warrior

4:10

again, which is a novel that

4:12

I wrote. You know I wrote

4:15

a draft of the manuscript like

4:17

five years ago, maybe more, six

4:20

years ago now. It's insane how

4:22

quickly time goes by, especially when

4:24

you become an old grumpy goat

4:27

like me. But what happened with

4:29

that is that I wrote the

4:31

manuscript, it was not very good.

4:34

It's important to be honest about

4:36

that sort of thing. I did

4:39

share it with some... close friends

4:41

and family and that sort of

4:43

thing. And you know, essentially what

4:46

happened was Tabor actually was the

4:48

one who said, you know, this

4:50

is essentially an outline for several

4:53

books. Like this isn't a book.

4:55

What you wrote is not really

4:57

a book. What you wrote were

5:00

like a whole lot of ideas

5:02

for several books. So on one

5:05

hand, like good job. you have

5:07

a lot of ideas. On the

5:09

other hand, you can't really do

5:12

anything with this as of right

5:14

now. So what happened in the

5:16

interim was just a whole lot

5:19

of YouTube grinding, you know, working

5:21

on the podcast, working on FISOS

5:24

2, you know, launching the Mind

5:26

Blow channel, and then last year

5:28

working on Popular Science, and you

5:31

know, everyone that you look towards

5:33

to get advice for... writing when

5:35

it comes to like novel writing.

5:38

Now they all have very very

5:40

different methods and approaches to it.

5:43

Now some people will say well

5:45

you just have to block out

5:47

like two three hours a night

5:50

where you're not answering emails and

5:52

you're not answering the phone and

5:54

you're not looking at anything, but

5:57

you're just locked in and working

5:59

on your manuscript. I was not

6:01

able to do that. Like for

6:04

me, the only way it worked

6:06

was if I didn't have any

6:09

other really obligations at all so

6:11

that my brain was just all

6:13

consumed by what was going on

6:16

in the story. by doing vesos

6:18

two all the time and my

6:20

curiosity box work which I probably

6:23

should talk about and really haven't

6:25

much but you know a lot

6:28

of work is going on with

6:30

the curiosity box and sort of

6:32

new business there there wasn't any

6:35

opportunity for me to just be

6:37

like oh okay at eight o'clock

6:39

every night I'll just sit down

6:42

and work on my book like

6:44

it just didn't work that way

6:46

by the time I got to

6:49

you know five o'clock there would

6:51

be more messages coming in about

6:54

you know, cuts of a new

6:56

video or a thumbnail and there

6:58

just never was a downtime. And

7:01

you really only have so many

7:03

decisions that you can make per

7:05

day for your brain. And the

7:08

decisions that you have to have

7:10

to make, at least for me

7:13

when it comes to writing a

7:15

story, are they take like 100%

7:17

maximum brain power. So I decided

7:20

that I'm going to try to

7:22

do that now and try to

7:24

use 100% maximum brain power to

7:27

get back into writing the story

7:29

that I really want to write.

7:32

And it's going pretty well. I've

7:34

started from scratch. So I started

7:36

from chapter one, line one, you

7:39

know, basically that entire manuscript that

7:41

I wrote years ago is more

7:43

or less scrapped. because it kind

7:46

of had to be, you know,

7:48

it was a useful exercise to

7:50

kind of build out different ideas,

7:53

but it really wasn't a book.

7:55

So anyway, so I am working

7:58

on that and... In the meantime,

8:00

something happened to me this week

8:02

that I wanted to talk about

8:05

for this episode. And what happened

8:07

was, well, let me back up

8:09

a second. So I read a

8:12

study a while ago, like years

8:14

ago, that most people listened to

8:17

the music of their youth basically

8:19

for the rest of their life,

8:21

which was really interesting to me.

8:24

So like whatever music you loved

8:26

when you were 15, you know,

8:28

whatever bands that were really meaningful

8:31

for you in your kind of

8:33

like early pubescence that defined you

8:36

as an individual during that time

8:38

of sort of trying to figure

8:40

out who you are separate from

8:43

your friends and family maybe, and

8:45

you really get into whatever band,

8:47

you know, really speaks to you

8:50

at that age, a lot of

8:52

people, just kind of people, just

8:54

kind of lock in to like

8:57

those bands and that genre and

8:59

that becomes their musical taste for

9:02

the rest of their life. That

9:04

is really not the case for

9:06

me. That's why I found this

9:09

interesting because like for me the

9:11

bands that I listened to like

9:13

obsessively when I was a teenager

9:16

I can't it's not that I

9:18

can't listen to them anymore. So

9:21

I don't really have an interest

9:23

like I've listened to those songs.

9:25

so much then that I can

9:28

just kind of play them in

9:30

my head whenever I want. Like

9:32

I know like that music is

9:35

like ingrained in the the marrow

9:37

of my bones. So when I

9:39

want to listen to music like

9:42

I'm not scooping out my bone

9:44

marrow to listen to the songs

9:47

that I listen to a billion

9:49

times when I was 16 years

9:51

old. So that's why you know

9:54

I listen to stuff. Like Archbire,

9:56

which is a newer band, you

9:58

know, we had Dean Lamb on

10:01

the podcast. I love those. guys,

10:03

I love finding new music. I

10:06

went through, you know, a big

10:08

gojira phase years ago, haven't really

10:10

loved their newer stuff, but I'm

10:13

always looking for new bands because

10:15

the other stuff, it's like, it's

10:17

almost like to me watching a

10:20

movie over and over again, it's

10:22

like I love that movie, but

10:25

like I'm done with it, like

10:27

I'm ready for new stuff. Anyway,

10:29

that's a preface to say that

10:32

recently on... on my YouTube feed

10:34

an interview with Nirvana came up

10:36

that I watched and it was

10:39

like an MTV news report about

10:41

in utero which was their you

10:43

know big follow-up album to never

10:46

mind which was an album so

10:48

big it changed everything not just

10:51

music but the entire culture and

10:53

they were you know Nirvana was

10:55

trying to get away from being

10:58

as kind of like clean and

11:00

poppy as they were on never

11:02

mind in utero was sort of

11:05

like a return to being heavy

11:07

for them and more punk and

11:10

alternative and it was noisier in

11:12

a lot of ways so that

11:14

was the report was like do

11:17

you like this new Nirvana album

11:19

that's really all it was so

11:21

I was watching that and then

11:24

of course since I'm watching this

11:26

thing on in utero that I'm

11:29

like I gotta listen to in

11:31

utero again I it's been so

11:33

long since I've heard that I've

11:36

heard that album which I love

11:38

by the way, Nirvana was by

11:40

far by far by far my

11:43

favorite band during these formative years

11:45

that I'm talking about, you know,

11:47

13, 14, 15 years old. I'm

11:50

listening to Nirvana and in utero

11:52

there's a track called Francis Farmer,

11:55

take revenge on Seattle, which was

11:57

not a song that I ever

11:59

was like in love with, like

12:02

it's a good song, but it

12:04

wasn't one of my favorites on

12:06

the album ever. But the chorus

12:09

to that song, okay, is I

12:11

miss the comfort in being sad.

12:14

that's the chorus of that song

12:16

is that it's this refrain over

12:18

and over again I miss the

12:21

comfort in being said I miss

12:23

the comfort in being said when

12:25

I'm 15 years old listening to

12:28

this song and he's talking about

12:30

missing the comfort of being said

12:33

I thought literally nothing about that

12:35

phrase I had no there's no

12:37

context for me to understand that

12:40

phrase I didn't find anything meaningful

12:42

about it like you might as

12:44

well have been singing row row

12:47

row row your boat over and

12:49

over again. Whatever. These are just,

12:51

replace these words with any other

12:54

words. And that was my reaction

12:56

to that phrase. Well, in 2025,

12:59

me hearing him saying, I miss

13:01

the comfort in being sad, all

13:03

of a sudden just like exploded

13:06

my brain, okay? Because that is

13:08

such a interesting concept that's very

13:10

real and very powerful. and a

13:13

real condition that people find themselves

13:15

in. So first I want to

13:18

talk about why he was saying

13:20

that, and then I'll talk about

13:22

sort of the connections that I

13:25

made afterwards. So, you know, after,

13:27

like, Kurt obviously killed himself. If

13:29

you know the story about Nirvana,

13:32

they were, you know, they were

13:34

nobody's. They were, like, punk losers

13:36

from, like, Aberdeen, Washington. you know,

13:39

hanging out with the Melvin's and,

13:41

you know, that whole sort of

13:44

Seattle grunge scene. And then they

13:46

turned into Beyonce ostensibly. They were

13:48

the biggest thing on planet Earth.

13:51

They were so, it's very hard

13:53

if you weren't around at that

13:55

time to explain how big Nirvana

13:58

was and how different they were

14:00

than anything else at the time.

14:03

And it just changed the entire

14:05

musical landscape. And like I said

14:07

the fashion, the culture, like people's

14:10

attitudes on life, it was really,

14:12

really insane. like just the the

14:14

the devil make here nihilism of

14:17

how like everything is contradictory and

14:19

stupid and sucks like that's pretty

14:22

much what the 90s turned into

14:24

with the grunge era was kind

14:26

of just like a total rejection

14:29

of everything that came before it

14:31

was just saying like this is

14:33

all like everything is dumb well

14:36

on In utero, there are a

14:38

lot of instances of lyrics that

14:40

are like a direct correlation to

14:43

the rise of fame that, you

14:45

know, Nirvana experienced with Nevermind, and

14:48

like everything that changed for them

14:50

by getting so famous. The opening

14:52

line of that album is, Teenage

14:55

Anx has paid off well, now

14:57

I'm bored and old. Okay, now

14:59

this is this is an important

15:02

phrase to set up. sort of

15:04

like the rest of this discussion.

15:07

So Teenage Yanks has paid off

15:09

well. That's obviously a reference to

15:11

Smells Like Teen Spirit, which was

15:14

the song that put them on

15:16

the map and changed everything. A

15:18

song that they came to despise

15:21

and they would never play. I

15:23

don't even know the last time

15:26

that they played that live. You

15:28

know, they played it on S&L

15:30

and then maybe played it live.

15:33

like a handful of times after

15:35

it got popular and then that

15:37

was it they would not play

15:40

that song live like ever again

15:42

they did not want anything to

15:44

do with it because it just

15:47

like almost put a bad taste

15:49

in their mouth how popular that

15:52

song was so anyway so in

15:54

utero starts teenage anxious paid off

15:56

well now I'm bored and old

15:59

so like they they got all

16:01

of this fame it got they

16:03

got to the top of the

16:06

mountain and looked around and they're

16:08

like now what You know, there

16:11

was no place else to go.

16:13

They got as famous and as

16:15

much success as you possibly can

16:18

in their artistic and... ever as

16:20

musicians, and then Kurt's looking around

16:22

like, now what? Now what do

16:25

I do? So in Francis Farmer,

16:27

this I miss the comfort of

16:29

being said, like to me, that

16:32

is obviously a reference to like

16:34

a state of being where before

16:37

the success of Nirvana, he was

16:39

in, he was like in this

16:41

comfortable state of. sadness and mediocrity

16:44

and anonymity and that sort of

16:46

thing, right? Just kind of flying

16:48

under the radar and grinding and,

16:51

you know, playing tiny punk clubs,

16:53

driving around in a van and

16:56

struggling and all of that stuff.

16:58

And now that he's not there

17:00

anymore, now that he's on the

17:03

cover of Rolling Stone and playing

17:05

S&L and just the most famous

17:07

person on the... in the world,

17:10

everybody loves him around the world.

17:12

This wasn't just like an American

17:15

thing, it was global. He's singing

17:17

over and over again, like, I

17:19

miss the comfort of being sad.

17:22

And I think this is like

17:24

a really dangerous but common and

17:26

like unrecognized problem that people have.

17:29

So we've talked about my 600

17:31

pound life before on the podcast,

17:33

you know. Last year maybe Matt

17:36

went through that whole series and

17:38

he was he was really interested

17:41

in seeing people's, you know different

17:43

people's struggles with gaining weight and

17:45

losing weight and Sort of the

17:48

you know the reasons that they

17:50

gained the struggles that they have

17:52

losing There's a lot of like

17:55

deep psychological interest if you're interested

17:57

in the human psyche and people's

18:00

relationships the the husbands that don't

18:02

want the wives to lose the

18:04

weight because they like the fact

18:07

that they are dependent upon them

18:09

like there's a lot going on

18:11

in that show if you're just

18:14

interested in human dynamics. So one

18:16

of the things that is a

18:19

really big problem for these people

18:21

when they lose the weight almost

18:23

invariably is that when they no

18:26

longer can just go to food

18:28

to cope with their problems because

18:30

that's what got them to be

18:33

600 pounds is that they have

18:35

these issues, they're not dealing with

18:37

them. So instead they go to

18:40

food as a coping mechanism, you

18:42

know, not dissimilarly, then an alcoholic

18:45

goes to alcohol or, you know,

18:47

any sort of, any sort of

18:49

addiction. You know, you're ignoring, you

18:52

don't want to confront what you

18:54

should, so you're putting your attention

18:56

and focus into some sort of

18:59

destructive, destructive, destructive, destructive, destructive behavior.

19:01

Obviously for people who are 600

19:04

pounds, it's food. they have a

19:06

food addiction. Well, when you're not

19:08

allowed to be addicted to food

19:11

anymore, because it's killing you, so

19:13

you have to die it and

19:15

you can only eat, you know,

19:18

three small meals a day, you

19:20

can't snack, well, all of a

19:23

sudden you have a lot of

19:25

time to think, because you're not

19:27

shutting off your brain by ordering

19:30

three meat lovers pizzas instead. That

19:32

really is the... situation that they're

19:34

in. So part of the recovery

19:37

process that you'll see by watching

19:39

that show is that as they're

19:41

losing weight, if they start slowing

19:44

down in their weight loss, they

19:46

have to go to therapy because

19:49

working through their psychological issues is

19:51

an incredibly important piece of the

19:53

puzzle to them getting healthy. Well,

19:56

some people are really scared. of

19:58

getting healthy because of this reason,

20:00

because they don't want to go

20:03

to... a place where all of

20:05

a sudden they're stuck with their

20:08

thoughts and they're stuck with the

20:10

trauma that they experience, whatever it

20:12

was. There's often trauma like at

20:15

an early age involved in these

20:17

people's lives that lead them to

20:19

becoming food addicts. That's not a

20:22

comfortable place to go. That is

20:24

a really uncomfortable place to go

20:26

that they didn't have to go

20:29

to before because the food was

20:31

masking it. So I'm listening to

20:34

this song about missing the comfort

20:36

of being said and I'm like,

20:38

oh my gosh, that's what that

20:41

is. Like that encapsulates, that phrase

20:43

encapsulates exactly the position that these

20:45

people are in, is that all

20:48

of a sudden they miss the

20:50

comfort of being said. Like they

20:53

miss the comfort of laying in

20:55

bed all day. and eating cheese

20:57

steaks and eating donuts. Like that

21:00

was actually a really comfortable place

21:02

to be. Now it's an incredibly

21:04

uncomfortable way in terms of their

21:07

health and how their body feels

21:09

and they're in pain all the

21:12

time. Like that's why they end

21:14

up going to the doctor to

21:16

try to get weight loss surgery

21:19

and all this stuff. Like it's

21:21

not like it's this paradise. Certainly

21:23

not physically, but psychologically it kind

21:26

of is. Like it kind of

21:28

is a happy place. I mean

21:30

they say on that show often

21:33

over and over like the only

21:35

thing that they wake up for

21:38

is to eat. And as soon

21:40

as they're done eating breakfast, all

21:42

they think about is what they're

21:45

going to have for lunch. As

21:47

soon as they're done with lunch,

21:49

all they think about is what

21:52

they're going to have for dinner.

21:54

And then they go back to

21:57

bed and that's it. And that's

21:59

it. So once you remove that

22:01

where all you're thinking about is

22:04

what you're going to eat all

22:06

the time, now you're stuck in

22:08

this place that's not comfortable anymore.

22:11

And so you are locked into

22:13

this scenario where yes, you miss

22:16

the comfort of being sad. So

22:18

I think that that phrase is

22:20

just fascinating psychologically because obviously it

22:23

was a very different circumstance for

22:25

Kurt. So that's why that's why

22:27

the phrase is interesting to me

22:30

because It's kind of a universal

22:32

feeling and a universal like human

22:34

concept to be obviously scared of

22:37

change. That's that's something that people

22:39

understand really really well. Everybody at

22:42

some point in their lives has

22:44

had to make a change that

22:46

they were afraid to do. Whether

22:49

it's going off to college or

22:51

moving back home from college or

22:53

getting a new job or getting

22:56

married and moving in with a

22:58

significant other like whatever it is.

23:01

There's a million variations of being

23:03

afraid of change. Something that it

23:05

seemed to me and why I

23:08

wanted to talk about it that

23:10

is a lot less talked about

23:12

is missing the comfort of being

23:15

sad. You know, it does tie

23:17

in a little bit with the

23:19

phrase like ignorance is bliss, I

23:22

think. I can see there being

23:24

like a little bit of a

23:27

correlation there and everybody knows that

23:29

that phrase as a really really

23:31

famous phrase ignorance is bliss. What's

23:34

interesting about that concept is that

23:36

on in utero there's an entire

23:38

song about that concept. So the

23:41

song dumb is about ignorance is

23:43

bliss. So there was this just

23:46

bizarre moment that I had all

23:48

like all week, you know. I

23:50

kicked off with that one phrase

23:53

where all of a sudden I'm

23:55

connecting all of these dots. I'm

23:57

like, oh my gosh, like so.

24:00

much between the opening lines

24:02

saying, you know, teenage angst has

24:04

paid off well, now I'm bored

24:06

and old, to dumb, which is

24:09

all about ignorance's bliss, and

24:11

then Francis Farmer, which is

24:13

about missing the comfort of

24:15

being said. I'm like, all of

24:18

these songs are about the same

24:20

thing, which was, you know, Kurt

24:22

Cobain being completely lost

24:24

and uncomfortable with

24:26

his startum. which is not

24:29

a new, that's not a revelation,

24:31

like everybody knows that that's,

24:33

that was probably the main

24:36

motivator that led to his

24:38

death. But I think that a lot

24:40

of people, whether it's someone on

24:42

my 600 pound life or you

24:45

know, someone who doesn't want to

24:47

get a job and doesn't want

24:50

to stop being dependent

24:52

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24:54

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24:56

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24:58

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thing that I thought about with

26:14

this idea, and this is going

26:16

to be really random, or seem

26:19

really random, is in the

26:21

in the 80s, there was a

26:23

movie called Teen Wolf starring Michael

26:26

J. I don't know how many

26:28

people even remember that movie at

26:30

this point. It doesn't seem like

26:33

it's brought up very often. Although

26:35

I think that they did a

26:37

remake of it. Is there some

26:40

kind of like HBO Max

26:42

or like W.B. Teen Wolf Show?

26:44

There probably is and

26:46

it's probably terrible. But

26:48

the original movie was

26:50

kind of about this. Be

26:53

careful what you wish for idea.

26:55

And in some ways, I think I

26:57

miss the comfort of being sad

26:59

idea. Because that movie is

27:02

about Michael J. Fox. He's

27:04

on a basketball team. They're

27:06

not very good. He really

27:09

wants to get the attention of

27:11

like the hot girl in the

27:13

school who, you know, is dating

27:15

like the high school quarterback. Like

27:18

it's a very cliche. There

27:20

were so many 80s movies

27:22

that had this formula. I

27:25

don't know why we were so obsessed

27:27

as a culture in the 80s of

27:29

like nerd jock dynamics. It's like

27:31

half the movies in the

27:33

80s were about nerds and

27:36

jocks. I don't know why

27:38

a teen wolf is another

27:40

movie about nerds and jocks.

27:42

The ultimate battle in the

27:44

80s was between the nerds

27:46

and the jocks. So anyway,

27:48

it turns out that Michael

27:50

J. Fox is a were a where

27:52

Fox is a where wolf. And

27:54

when he turns into a

27:56

werewolf, he becomes an amazing

27:59

basketball player. For some reason, nobody

28:01

in the school is like terrified

28:03

that this high schooler is a

28:06

werewolf. Everyone's just like, oh, yeah,

28:08

okay. Just accept it. Like, yeah,

28:11

he's a, he's a werewolf. That's,

28:13

that's not strange at all. Not

28:15

only is it not strange, he

28:18

becomes like the hero of the

28:20

school. He's like dunking, he's doing

28:22

like windmill 360 reverse slams all

28:25

of a sudden as the werewolf.

28:27

Like he's an amazing basketball player

28:30

in werewolf mode because he has,

28:32

you know, you know, you know,

28:34

you know, like. super strength and

28:37

speed and agility and jumping ability.

28:39

The greatest basketball player alive is

28:42

a werewolf. The point is that

28:44

he gets to the top of

28:46

the mountain. I'm going to use

28:49

the same analogy that I used

28:51

earlier for Kirkopane. He got to

28:53

the top of the mountain and

28:56

like he kind of gets like

28:58

the hot girl, gets everything that

29:01

he ever wanted and it kind

29:03

of sucks. It kind of sucks.

29:05

Like, it wasn't what he thought

29:08

it was going to be. Because

29:10

all of a sudden, he was

29:13

in a situation where, you know,

29:15

people didn't really like him for

29:17

him. They liked the werewolf. They

29:20

just wanted, they wanted things from

29:22

the werewolf. Now that he could

29:25

be the werewolf, and he could

29:27

do things, everyone just wanted a

29:29

piece of the werewolf. Oh, Andy

29:32

in the episode chats, as MTV

29:34

made a TV series of it,

29:36

from 2011 to 2017. So it's

29:39

obviously popular, ran for six years.

29:41

So I have no idea. I'm

29:44

guessing that this Teen Wolf MTV

29:46

show probably not about the same

29:48

concept as, but maybe it is,

29:51

maybe it is. What do I

29:53

know? I haven't watched this and

29:56

I won't. And I'm sure many

29:58

people listening to this podcast also

30:00

haven't watched the Teen Wolf MTV

30:03

show. But the original movie was

30:05

about this idea where you have

30:07

this dream. of being like the

30:10

most important person of being the

30:12

best of being the the guy

30:15

that gets the girl of being

30:17

the best basketball player of everybody

30:19

loving you and quickly realize that

30:22

this is not a really great

30:24

place to be. It's not awesome

30:27

for everyone to just want something

30:29

from you all the time. It's

30:31

not awesome to all of a

30:34

sudden be burdened by like a

30:36

tremendous amount of responsibility that that

30:38

carries that carries that carries that

30:41

carries that carries that carries that

30:43

carries that carries to be someone

30:46

that everyone has a spotlight on

30:48

and is looking towards for something.

30:50

And that's like 100% what happened

30:53

with Nirvana, where all of a

30:55

sudden, you know, they were at

30:58

the top of the scrap heat

31:00

of everything. And, you know, this

31:02

guy from humble beginnings, who kind

31:05

of just wanted to play his

31:07

music and be left alone for

31:10

the most part, was being dragged

31:12

around. to like, you know, the

31:14

MTV Music Awards and being expected

31:17

to comment on this thing or

31:19

that thing and was a cultural

31:21

hero and it's like, I didn't

31:24

ask for that. I did not

31:26

ask for that. Like I'm not

31:29

equipped for that, I'm not prepared

31:31

for that, I don't know what

31:33

you people want for me, but

31:36

it's like an endless amount of

31:38

things. Everybody wants something from you.

31:41

So. That's obviously what ended up

31:43

happening with Nirvana, but I thought

31:45

it was interesting. I can't think

31:48

of any other movies off the

31:50

top of my head that really,

31:52

because this is like sort of

31:55

the opposite of the hero's journey,

31:57

right, in some ways. That's why

32:00

I find it intriguing, because it's

32:02

not happily ever after. It's sort

32:04

of you get the thing that

32:07

you want and... Everything and it

32:09

just kind of sucks. And then

32:12

really the happily ever. comes from

32:14

recognizing that, you know, giving it

32:16

up and then sort of going

32:19

back to who you were before.

32:21

You know, that's what happens in

32:23

Teen Wolf is like, I'm pretty

32:26

sure, I'm pretty sure at the

32:28

end, he like refuses to transform

32:31

into the werewolf in the championship

32:33

game of the high school basketball

32:35

or whatever, and they win the

32:38

championship anyway. So it's one of

32:40

those like... You had it in

32:43

you the whole time. You didn't

32:45

need to be the werewolf Michael

32:47

J. Fox. Like you were just

32:50

great the way you are. I

32:52

guess it's kind of one of

32:55

those sort of stories. You didn't

32:57

need this magical, dangerous superpower. You

32:59

were special all along. Another part

33:02

of that is like there's a...

33:04

There's a girl who really likes

33:06

him, who's like not the super

33:09

hot cheerleader chicks. She's just, you

33:11

know, it's the 80s and it's

33:14

a Hollywood movie, so she's also

33:16

obviously very pretty. But she's just

33:18

like kind of his buddy, and

33:21

she really likes him, but he

33:23

doesn't see her as being on

33:26

a pedestal, as being as glamorous

33:28

as, you know, the homecoming queen.

33:30

This is like her friend. And

33:33

then of course by the end

33:35

he realizes well the homecoming queen

33:37

actually sucks and you know she's

33:40

vapid and just status obsessed and

33:42

doesn't really love him for him

33:45

and oh actually all along his

33:47

best friend who's a girl is

33:49

his true love and you know

33:52

he gets with her so there's

33:54

there's that element of it too

33:57

but What I mean by it

33:59

not being a hero's journey is

34:01

like obviously most of these stories

34:04

that we kind of obsess with

34:06

have to do with someone reaching

34:09

the the peak of the mountain

34:11

and it being awesome. And that's

34:13

kind of the end is. like

34:16

you strive and you struggle and

34:18

you fail and you get beaten

34:20

down and you know to the

34:23

point where you're almost dead and

34:25

then you come back and at

34:28

the end you save the day

34:30

you save the world and everyone

34:32

loves you the end and this

34:35

concept of missing the comfort of

34:37

being sad I like thinking about

34:40

A because it's a real thing

34:42

and B Because it shows how

34:44

it's a lot more complicated than

34:47

a Marvel movie. Like success is

34:49

not this one-way struggle up a

34:51

mountain and then you're at the

34:54

top and you're rich and beautiful

34:56

and popular and everyone loves you.

34:59

Sometimes you get up there and

35:01

you're like, wow, this is actually

35:03

way worse than the situation I

35:06

was in and sort of what

35:08

do I do about that? What

35:11

do you do when you get

35:13

the thing that you always hoped

35:15

for and your life is ruined?

35:18

That is actually a really interesting

35:20

problem to have. It's worth exploring

35:22

and it's definitely worth thinking about.

35:25

In the case of the people

35:27

who struggle with this in terms

35:30

of something like my 600 pound

35:32

life. Like it's important to say

35:34

that it's not better for them

35:37

to go back to eating the

35:39

cheese steaks all day and being

35:42

immobile and laying in bed and,

35:44

you know, using pea pads and

35:46

commodes to go to the bathroom

35:49

and having to have someone literally

35:51

wipe and wash them. It's not

35:54

better to go back there. In

35:56

no world is it better to

35:58

go back to that. In no

36:01

world is it better to go

36:03

back to that. But it's a

36:05

new struggle and it's a real

36:08

struggle. when all of a sudden

36:10

you are confronted by problems that

36:13

you were ignoring. Because, oh my

36:15

gosh, like, this is actually, this

36:17

journey that I'm on to get

36:20

healthy is a lot harder than

36:22

I thought, because the problem isn't

36:25

just me making bitter and healthier

36:27

choices with my food. The problem

36:29

is coupling that with now having

36:32

to get my mind right. Because

36:34

your mind wasn't right, and that's

36:36

how you got to being super

36:39

morbidly obese, which is the actual

36:41

medical term for someone who weighs

36:44

that much. Your mind was not

36:46

right to get to that place,

36:48

but you were able to ignore

36:51

it. You were able to block

36:53

it out, but you can't, as

36:56

you're getting down to 500 pounds,

36:58

to 400 pounds, to 300 pounds.

37:00

And now you've got to have

37:03

excess skin surgery. because you have

37:05

all of this extra skin that's

37:07

hanging off you and that's uncomfortable.

37:10

So it's a strange thing where

37:12

as you're getting better, some things

37:15

are getting worse. And as a

37:17

result, you can find yourself in

37:19

this headspace of missing the comfort

37:22

of being said. When they talk

37:24

to the therapists, you know, one

37:27

of the, there are a lot

37:29

of different therapists on that show.

37:31

One of the, I think most

37:34

captivating phrases that one of the

37:36

therapists used was one of the

37:39

patients was that they have to

37:41

be, or sorry, they have to

37:43

get comfortable with being uncomfortable. Now

37:46

that's a really important thing to

37:48

think about because when they were

37:50

super unhealthy, they were pretty comfortable

37:53

as far as just ordering and

37:55

food all day, they didn't really

37:58

have to think about. much other

38:00

than what their next meal was.

38:02

It kind of had other people

38:05

to do everything. for them, and

38:07

as they become more independent, well,

38:10

with that independence comes more responsibility.

38:12

So it's a little bit of

38:14

that Spider-Man, with greater power, comes

38:17

more responsibility idea, where, yeah, you're

38:19

getting healthier, you're getting mobile, you

38:21

can walk around now, okay, now

38:24

that you can walk around, why

38:26

don't you go to the store

38:29

and get yourself some food? Because

38:31

actually you have to do that.

38:33

Because you have to get more

38:36

active. You have to walk more.

38:38

So you have to get out

38:41

of the house. Okay, now that

38:43

you're getting out of the house,

38:45

now you have to confront your

38:48

social anxiety. Because now you're around

38:50

a whole bunch of people. And

38:52

maybe you haven't done that for

38:55

a long time. And you got

38:57

really comfortable in the sadness of

39:00

being alone. Because you didn't have

39:02

to deal with the potential of,

39:04

I don't know, falling down, embarrassing

39:07

yourself in public or someone making

39:09

a snide. or rude remark to

39:12

you because of your appearance, right?

39:14

You were sheltered from that. You

39:16

were shielded from that. Well, if

39:19

you want to get healthy, you

39:21

can't be shielded from that. You

39:24

have to take risk. You have

39:26

to risk that something is going

39:28

to go wrong on your journey

39:31

to getting healthier. So it is

39:33

a weird paradox where, you know,

39:35

these people really, really struggle, and

39:38

I understand why. They struggle with

39:40

the healthier they get, sort of

39:43

the harder a lot of things

39:45

get. Because it's like, well, now

39:47

you've got to really, you really

39:50

should start going to the gym,

39:52

you know, you really should get

39:55

a personal trainer, like you haven't

39:57

used your legs much in years,

39:59

and they're really weak. And, you

40:02

know, that's a huge problem for

40:04

your back. It's all connected. So

40:06

you've got to start going to

40:09

the gym to actually build up

40:11

your muscles. which have deteriorated to

40:14

nothingness by laying in bed all

40:16

day. That's like, okay, well, that's

40:18

hard. Now I have to make

40:21

time to leave the house, to

40:23

get a personal trainer, who I

40:26

don't know, to go to a

40:28

place, I'm uncomfortable. You know, a

40:30

gym could be a really scary

40:33

place, especially for someone who is

40:35

so overweight, because... And a lot

40:37

of gyms, you're surrounded by the

40:40

complete opposite. You're surrounded by people

40:42

who are jacked. Who go to

40:45

the gym as like a part-time

40:47

job. They're there all the time.

40:49

They've been there for years. They're

40:52

in the best shape out of

40:54

anyone in the world, essentially. You

40:57

have to go there to be

40:59

surrounded by like the healthiest people

41:01

when you are. Like, really on

41:04

the cusp of being one of

41:06

the most unhealthy people. That's not

41:09

fun. Who wants to do that?

41:11

That's hard. All of this is

41:13

really, really hard. All of it's

41:16

necessary. These are the steps that

41:18

you have to go through. Because

41:20

the alternative is essentially death. That's

41:23

not a good alternative. One of

41:25

the things that's like really interesting

41:28

and sort of beautiful about that

41:30

show is there are instances in

41:32

which the people lose a bunch

41:35

of weight and then all of

41:37

a sudden they find a significant

41:40

other. They start dating, they fall

41:42

in love, they get married, they

41:44

start having kids, they have a

41:47

family. So they actually do go

41:49

down the road where they transform.

41:51

from being someone who literally cannot

41:54

take care of themselves at all,

41:56

like at all, cannot take care

41:59

of themselves. to someone

42:01

who now is taking care

42:03

of a family. That's

42:05

a pretty wild swing

42:08

that occurs with some

42:10

of these people within

42:12

like the instance of

42:14

a year. In like one year,

42:17

14 months, they go from

42:19

lying in bed all day

42:21

to having a job and

42:24

a wife who's pregnant.

42:26

And now I have like a

42:29

real... motivation and support

42:31

to get healthier to stay

42:33

healthier and to live their lives

42:35

you know that that's one of

42:37

the things that almost all

42:39

of these people say is like they

42:41

have no life they're just

42:44

waiting to die virtually

42:46

every episode begins that way

42:48

that's the state that they're

42:50

starting in is I have

42:53

absolutely no life and at this

42:55

point I'm just laying around waiting

42:57

to die. Like that is as

42:59

bad of a scenario as a

43:01

human being pretty much can

43:04

get themselves in. Like what

43:06

else is there at that

43:08

point? That is nothingness. And

43:10

there's a lot of work and

43:12

a lot of struggle that they

43:14

have to go through to get

43:17

to a point and a lot of

43:19

them do in which not only do

43:21

they have a life, but some of

43:23

them are now looked up to. and

43:25

are like asked to speak at

43:28

conferences and stuff like this as

43:30

sort of like a beacon of hope,

43:32

you know, not necessarily as like a

43:34

life coach or anything like that,

43:37

but you know, maybe less like

43:39

a guest of honor at some

43:41

sort of conference for, you know,

43:43

people who are struggling with their

43:45

way, where they can stand up in

43:47

front of them and say, look, you know,

43:49

this is where I was, and it wasn't

43:52

easy, and I got a lot of support.

43:54

along the way that I'm grateful

43:56

for, but you know, here I am. I

43:58

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44:01

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44:03

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44:05

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44:07

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44:09

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45:24

life in a period of like

45:26

one year the transformations really

45:28

are incredible but the point of

45:30

you know this thought experiment

45:32

and the point of what I

45:34

wanted to talk about is

45:36

that there is like a serious

45:38

rut that you can find

45:40

yourself in where if you become

45:43

sort of like and mammered

45:45

by the idea of missing the

45:47

comfort of being said then

45:49

you end up back in said

45:51

because it was more comfortable

45:53

but it's it's a cage like

45:55

that that like comfortable cage

45:57

of sadness is not better Like

46:00

there's no way that it's better.

46:02

You know, I do wonder, when I

46:05

think about like what happened

46:07

to Kirk Obane, I think

46:09

about the other contemporaries.

46:11

I mean, a lot of

46:13

his contemporaries died young. That

46:15

was one of the more tragic

46:18

things about that whole era of

46:20

music is like, like all of

46:22

those singers are dead. You know,

46:24

Lane Staley, he succumbed to

46:27

his heroin addiction. You

46:29

know, and Allison Chains wasn't

46:31

around for very much longer

46:34

after Nirvana was gone, a

46:36

couple years. And then he just

46:38

went off the deep end with

46:40

his addiction. You know, Scott

46:42

Wyland of Stone Temple Pilots,

46:45

you know, he had Velvet

46:47

Revolver and, you know, he sang for

46:49

a while, but, you know, that caught

46:51

up to him. He died young. Mark

46:54

Lanigan died young. All of

46:56

these guys got swallowed up. So...

46:58

Like who didn't get swallowed

47:00

up? One person who I'm

47:02

kind of fascinated with who

47:05

didn't get swallowed up is

47:07

Trent Reznor from Nine Inch

47:09

Nails. So Trent Reznor was

47:11

really in an incredibly bad

47:13

dark place. I would say, you

47:16

know, as dark as, you know, Lane

47:18

Staley and probably not

47:20

Kurt because he had this heroin

47:22

addiction as well as just

47:25

being unable to deal with

47:27

his fame. and Trent Reznor

47:29

never, as famous as Nine

47:31

Inch Nails was, like never

47:33

sniffed the level of adoration

47:35

and fame that Kurt did. But,

47:37

like, what, what did Trent Reznor

47:40

do that I think is really

47:42

interesting? One of the things

47:44

that he started doing was

47:47

getting involved in scoring music

47:49

or movie soundtracks. That's

47:51

a really underrated and

47:54

interesting pivot that Trent

47:56

Reznor made that. essentially

47:58

allowed him to continue. to

48:00

be a musician and an

48:02

artist, but it was in

48:04

a different context. Like it

48:06

was in the context of,

48:09

hey, like, make music for

48:11

this video game. Hey, like,

48:13

make music for this David

48:15

Fincher film, okay? What I

48:18

think is important about that

48:20

is that, like, he's still

48:22

channeling that dark, deranged disturbed

48:24

energy, but in a healthy

48:27

way. in a way that

48:29

is for a project that

48:31

isn't insular, because I think

48:33

that that is a really

48:35

dangerous thing with some of

48:38

these musicians. I got like

48:40

Elliot Smith. Elliot Smith is

48:42

another one, like pretty much,

48:44

he wasn't a grunge musician,

48:47

but like very much was

48:49

in sort of that peripheral

48:51

scene of just like sad,

48:53

sad musician. Also took his

48:55

own life. I think when

48:58

you're 100% swept away in

49:00

turning your misery into art

49:02

and people love you for

49:04

your misery, it seems pretty

49:07

hard to get out of

49:09

that loop, where now your

49:11

job is to be miserable?

49:13

Like, the thing that got

49:16

you famous was to be

49:18

the saddest person? Like, that

49:20

is... incredibly dangerous to be

49:22

adored to get rich and

49:24

famous off of being like

49:27

in the deepest trenches and

49:29

abyss of depression. And how

49:31

is that going to end

49:33

well unless you figure out

49:36

a different way? And just

49:38

unless you find some other

49:40

way to still... Be an

49:42

artist and create things and

49:44

like get the demons out

49:47

of your brain and into

49:49

some sort of media. that

49:51

isn't you just self-reflecting in

49:53

this negative feedback loop of

49:56

how sad you are of

49:58

how hopeless you are I

50:00

mean gosh to stick with

50:02

nine inch nails like one

50:05

of their most their breakthrough

50:07

album was called the downward

50:09

spiral this is like I'm

50:11

not making a metaphor here

50:13

like this is literally what

50:16

this is like I'm not

50:18

making a metaphor here like

50:20

this is literally what this

50:22

is The album is called

50:25

The Downward Spiral. The follow-up

50:27

was called The Fragile. And

50:29

that is like a two-disc

50:31

album of just some of

50:34

the most hopeless music that

50:36

you've ever heard. It's genius

50:38

and it's beautiful and it's

50:40

a work of absolute art.

50:42

But at the same time,

50:45

you can't keep going there.

50:47

Like how many times? Like

50:49

how many times? Can you

50:51

try to tap that well

50:54

before you tap out? And

50:56

I think I think that

50:58

that's what happened to a

51:00

lot of these guys is

51:02

that they were boxed in

51:05

to their own like deep

51:07

dissatisfaction with existence, which is

51:09

really at the crux of

51:11

what the grunge era was

51:14

about. It was just like

51:16

a total dismissal and dissatisfaction

51:18

with reality. and the way

51:20

the world works, and of

51:23

course themselves and how they

51:25

fit into it, you know,

51:27

there's that phrase enemy, which

51:29

sounds like anime, but it's

51:31

not. Anime, which is actually

51:34

a word that Tabor taught

51:36

me because he had a

51:38

class in college, I believe,

51:40

if I'm remembering correctly, in

51:43

which a professor used Kurt

51:45

Cobain as an example to

51:47

illustrate a state of enemy.

51:49

which I think is spelled

51:52

A-N-O-M-I-E. But it's just feeling

51:54

like you do not belong

51:56

anywhere. You have no place

51:58

in the world. None. There's

52:00

nowhere for you to go.

52:03

Everywhere you go, no matter

52:05

who you're around, whether it's

52:07

your own family, or your

52:09

bandmates, or people who you

52:12

think are your friends, you

52:14

don't fit in. That is

52:16

a really, really bad place

52:18

to be in. So. I

52:20

look to someone like Trent

52:23

Reznor or I look in

52:25

in some ways someone like

52:27

Rob Zombie like I don't

52:29

attribute sort of the same

52:32

like nearly the same level

52:34

of like hopelessness with Rob

52:36

Zombie but his career like

52:38

regardless of what you think

52:41

of the movies that he's

52:43

made which you know for

52:45

the most part aren't reviewed

52:47

very well but I found

52:49

that his his pivot you

52:52

know from or maybe it's

52:54

more like a tennis match.

52:56

bouncing back and forth between

52:58

music and making movies, I

53:01

think that that's healthy. I

53:03

think that it's really healthy

53:05

to be able to go

53:07

to get out of your

53:09

head, first of all, and

53:12

work on something that isn't

53:14

your head. Depending on how

53:16

healthy your head is, I

53:18

don't know. But if it's

53:21

an unhealthy head, like Kurt

53:23

Cobain's head was an unhealthy

53:25

head. I think if

53:27

he had any chance to

53:29

make it out of the

53:32

hole he was in, it

53:34

probably would have been at

53:36

some kind of pivot into

53:38

something that wasn't Nirvana. Now

53:40

there have been, like if

53:42

you know the history of

53:44

Nirvana, there were plenty of

53:46

rumors that the band was

53:48

actually done. Like they were

53:50

breaking up, you know, Kurt

53:52

didn't want to do it.

53:54

you know be the rock

53:57

star he didn't want to

53:59

he didn't want to do

54:01

the nirvana thing at all

54:03

he wasn't getting along with

54:05

christen dave but i mean

54:07

Someone who's in that mental

54:09

state's really not getting along

54:11

with anyone, that's probably why

54:13

they are where they are.

54:15

But I think that that

54:17

probably would have been his

54:19

only way out. And you

54:22

know, the same thing for

54:24

someone like Lane Staley or

54:26

someone like Elliot Smith. And

54:28

they were so freaking talented

54:30

that I think they could

54:32

have been wildly successful in

54:34

some other medium, whether it

54:36

was staying in music and...

54:38

scoring movie soundtracks or you

54:40

know directing short films writing

54:42

stories something else to get

54:44

the creative demons out of

54:47

their head that just took

54:49

the pressure off because that's

54:51

another thing about all of

54:53

this you know getting to

54:55

the top of the mountain

54:57

thing is like that pressure

54:59

is insane and I've seen

55:01

it and I've felt it

55:03

in my own little tiny

55:05

like minuscule Youtuber way of

55:07

having the pressure of like,

55:09

oh, like a lot of

55:12

people really are looking forward

55:14

to the next thing that

55:16

I make. It's better be

55:18

good. I can't better be

55:20

better than the last thing

55:22

or else you are, you

55:24

know, you're washed or you're,

55:26

has been or you fell

55:28

off or, you know, any

55:30

other phrase to someone who

55:32

no longer has it. Well,

55:34

that's a really thing. That's

55:37

a really scary thing when

55:39

you have eyeballs on you.

55:41

Is like, yeah, you're Trent

55:43

Reznor, you make a great

55:45

nine inch, nine inch nails

55:47

album. Now you gotta do

55:49

another one. And now people

55:51

want that one to be

55:53

great too. And maybe it's

55:55

not. Like, maybe you just

55:57

don't have the inspiration that

55:59

you had before. And you're

56:02

just writing songs to fulfill

56:04

a record label contract and

56:06

get a thing out. because

56:08

you have to and put

56:10

out a crap record and

56:12

now Now you suck. That's

56:14

not very fun. It's not

56:16

very fun to go from

56:18

someone with, you know, critical

56:20

accolades, who everyone looked towards

56:22

as being the best. And

56:24

now, yeah, we're done with

56:27

you. And I mean, that

56:29

certainly happens. Oh my gosh,

56:31

in the music industry and

56:33

in Hollywood, you know, really

56:35

rapidly with movie stars. Like,

56:37

oddly enough, this is such

56:39

a weird story, but years

56:41

ago. I was at a

56:43

YouTube summit and the Keystone

56:45

speaker was Will Smith who

56:47

now, I don't know, is

56:49

most famous I guess for

56:52

slapping Chris Rock, but this

56:54

was years before that incident.

56:56

Will Smith actually talked about

56:58

this, like this was what

57:00

his talk at this conference

57:02

was about, was he was

57:04

talking about how weird it

57:06

was for him. to go

57:08

from being the biggest movie

57:10

star, pretty much on planet

57:12

Earth, to someone who is

57:14

kind of, has been. I

57:17

mean, at least in terms

57:19

of where he was, because,

57:21

you know, he went from

57:23

the Fresh Prince of Bel

57:25

Air to Independence Day, I'm

57:27

guessing. It was like the

57:29

next big one, men in

57:31

black, I think followed that

57:33

I think followed that And

57:35

then after Men in Black,

57:37

which was a huge success,

57:39

I mean, he had like,

57:42

I don't know, 10 years,

57:44

he had like a decade

57:46

or something of just dropping

57:48

blockbuster after blockbuster. And then

57:50

I was kind of over.

57:52

And that's what he was

57:54

struggling with. So I found

57:56

a fascinating because here you

57:58

have an A list celebrity.

58:00

A capital A list. Celebrity.

58:02

I'm in a room with

58:04

this guy. And he's talking

58:07

about how he's struggling with

58:09

the fact that he just

58:11

kind of isn't that popular

58:13

anymore. You know, like, you

58:15

don't think about, I mean,

58:17

I think most people don't

58:19

think about these things. And

58:21

you certainly, and I'm not

58:23

saying that I, you know,

58:25

have an ocean of sympathy

58:27

for Will Smith. Do I

58:29

have, you know, like a

58:32

full eye-dropper? Worth of sympathy

58:34

for him? Yeah, I think

58:36

so because that's got to

58:38

be pretty weird. It's got

58:40

to be a pretty strange

58:42

place to find yourself in

58:44

where you're Michael Jordan. I

58:46

mean this happens to athletes

58:48

naturally because of age. And

58:50

I guess in some ways

58:52

it kind of happens to

58:54

actors because of age too.

58:57

But with athletes like you

58:59

can't avoid it. Now I

59:01

think it's Charles Barkley has

59:03

a phrase that... He says

59:05

father time is undefeated because

59:07

no matter how great you

59:09

are eventually time catches up

59:11

to you and even someone

59:13

like Tom Brady who was

59:15

winning Super Bowls at what

59:17

age 42 or something like

59:19

that like eventually he's got

59:22

to retire like you just

59:24

you can't play football anymore

59:26

you're 46 or however old

59:28

he was when he finally

59:30

retired like no matter what

59:32

ridiculous nutritional regiment and hyperbaric

59:34

chambers that he slept in

59:36

and like no matter what

59:38

like blood treatments he was

59:40

getting. Eventually it's just not

59:42

gonna work anymore. You're not

59:45

gonna be able to play

59:47

football against 22 year olds

59:49

who are trying to rip

59:51

your head off. It's one

59:53

of the things that cracks

59:55

me up with... There's that

59:57

guy on Twitter who's like

59:59

doing... everything in his power

1:00:01

to live forever? You know

1:00:03

who I'm talking about? His name

1:00:05

is like Brian Johnson,

1:00:07

maybe? I don't know if that's

1:00:10

his name. I'm gonna go with

1:00:12

Brian Johnson. There's this

1:00:14

guy on Twitter. I think his

1:00:16

name is Brian Johnson. Who

1:00:19

does all of these like

1:00:21

very experimental and bizarre things

1:00:24

to try to not die,

1:00:26

basically, and not even to

1:00:28

age, which involves... Gosh, I

1:00:30

don't even really know the

1:00:32

details of whatever supplements he

1:00:35

takes every day and he

1:00:37

like barely eats anything

1:00:39

except for, I don't know,

1:00:41

Tibetan grass. I don't know

1:00:44

what this guy's doing. I'm

1:00:46

pretty sure that he like

1:00:48

gets blood transfusions

1:00:50

from, you know, healthy Albanian

1:00:53

orphans. I don't even know

1:00:55

the lengths that this guy is

1:00:57

going to. to try to live

1:00:59

forever. And I don't even know

1:01:02

why I'm talking about this. I

1:01:04

just find it funny because it's

1:01:06

like, well, what if you get

1:01:09

hit by a bus? Like I'm

1:01:11

not saying, I guess I'm not

1:01:13

saying don't try. But at the

1:01:15

same time, it's like, well, I

1:01:18

mean, you know, there should be

1:01:20

a limit. There should be,

1:01:22

I think, some sort of

1:01:24

healthy limit between trying to

1:01:26

like... minimize your health risks,

1:01:29

and then also, you know, only

1:01:31

eating Tibetan grass all day,

1:01:34

and literally stealing the

1:01:36

blood of children in the

1:01:38

hopes of, you know, looking like

1:01:41

you're 33 when you're 47. Oh,

1:01:43

it is Brian Johnson. All

1:01:45

right, so if anyone doesn't know

1:01:47

who this guy is, you can

1:01:50

look it up. Brian is BRYAN.

1:01:52

And he spends two million

1:01:54

dollars a year to look young.

1:01:56

And now he's taking the blood of

1:01:59

his teen son. Like, you know,

1:02:01

what's that kid gonna grow

1:02:03

up like? Sure, dad, you

1:02:05

can have some of my

1:02:07

blood so that you don't,

1:02:09

like, look older. I mean,

1:02:11

holy cow. I talk about

1:02:13

having serious issues with the

1:02:15

flow of time. Like, I

1:02:17

hate... The flow of time,

1:02:19

you know, my number one

1:02:21

enemy is in the world,

1:02:23

time. I will do everything

1:02:25

I can, including injecting my

1:02:27

child's blood in direct defiance

1:02:29

of the flow of time. Get

1:02:31

the angelry special at McDonald's

1:02:33

now. Let's break it out.

1:02:35

My favorite barbecue sauce. American cheese,

1:02:38

crispy, pickles, onions, and a

1:02:40

sesame seed bun, of course.

1:02:42

And don't forget the fries in

1:02:44

a drink. Sound good. I

1:02:46

participate in restaurants for a

1:02:48

limited time. All right. That's pretty

1:02:51

much all I had for

1:02:53

you guys this week. I'm

1:02:55

interested to hear what you think,

1:02:57

actually, about the... missing the

1:02:59

comfort of being sad idea.

1:03:01

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1:03:04

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1:03:06

Is there something that you

1:03:08

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1:03:10

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1:03:12

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1:03:20

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Vara Scan today. Oh, O'Reilly!

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Auto parts!