0:05

Hello! How's it going? Good.

0:09

No yawning, Rosie. No yawning. Come on. I'm

0:11

gonna be the one laughing. Policing

0:13

the yonks over there. No

0:15

yawning zone. I was having a little nap

0:17

while you stood up so the yonks

0:19

are... That was a full 12

0:21

minutes. We have 25. I'm

0:24

doing a lot of yawning. Okay,

0:26

I'm doing a lot of yawning.

0:28

I'm just into yawning in 2025.

0:31

This show is... Pretty boring for the

0:33

guests and we're using it because they

0:35

do yawn while we're talking. So I

0:37

brought that into this. You know, I

0:39

appreciate the rule. Now I

0:41

understand the depth behind it. I'm

0:43

sorry. I'm a fragile male podcast. Well,

0:46

those words are redundant. I'm

0:48

a male podcast. I'm just

0:50

a guy. I'm just a guy

0:53

standing here in front of

0:55

a girl. Son,

1:01

not the first time. Why

1:03

are you yawning at me? Stop

1:06

yawning at me. I'm trying to tell

1:08

you something really important. I'm just yawning.

1:11

Sometimes they're not yawning at

1:13

you. You're just like waiting for your

1:15

wife to wake up and yawn just

1:17

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3:37

season 385 episode 5 of dirt

3:39

a lee's a guy stay

3:41

production of I heart radio This

3:43

is a podcast where we

3:45

take a deep dive into American

3:47

shared consciousness. Never heard of

3:49

it. American shared consciousness. Nope. I'm

3:52

unconscious Oh, no. Yeah,

3:54

yeah, I try to be. It's

3:56

much easier, much easier. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

3:58

Just kind of sleepwalking. Just a

4:00

mix of fast food and cannabis, you

4:03

know. That's how

4:05

I reach the next plane of existence.

4:08

There you go. Not storing memories.

4:10

I find that helpful. It

4:12

is Friday, April 25th,

4:14

2025. Yes, yes. double

4:17

to five. This won't

4:19

happen again for another

4:21

375 years. Okay,

4:24

sorry. I'll happen again next month. Sorry.

4:26

Yeah. Well, I don't know. Hey, you

4:28

never know. The world might end. So

4:31

that's true. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's also,

4:33

but actually today, April 25th is National

4:35

Historic Marker Day. So, you know, pay

4:37

respect to those historic markers you see

4:39

on the road that are like, here

4:41

is the, this place where history have

4:43

taken place. National Hug of Plumber Day,

4:45

National Hairball Awareness Day for all you

4:48

V -Line fans. Those

4:50

are related. Hug a bummer because

4:52

of the hairballs in my shower. Oh,

4:54

yeah, this is for cats. This

4:56

is for cats hairballs. Yes, yes, yes

4:58

a health health concern national DNA

5:00

day national arbor day shout -out trees

5:02

national zucchini bread day national telephone day

5:04

Do we even use telephones like

5:06

that anymore? Oh, yeah Constantly, I'm just

5:08

always at my at my corner

5:11

waiting for the pay phone to ring

5:13

You know, remember, you ever see

5:15

that happen in old movies is like,

5:17

how is that the plan? Yeah,

5:19

you're going to get a call on

5:21

that public phone. Yeah. I used to know

5:24

the pay phone number at my elementary

5:26

school. Amazing. Because that was a

5:28

fun thing is have some fun. Yeah,

5:30

that's true. Yeah, that's what we had a

5:32

like at a dorm there that I

5:34

lived in. There was a public phone that

5:36

like Your parents would just call and

5:38

people would be like, you're like, come find

5:40

me. Jack, it's for you. Exactly.

5:45

History's crazy, kids. Jack, pick up the

5:47

phone. Anyway,

5:50

also the hairballs in my shower

5:52

are also a health hazard. Yeah, OK.

5:54

Yeah, good. Don't clog your drinks. My

5:57

name is Jack O 'Brien,

5:59

AK. JD went and killed

6:01

the Pope. JD went and

6:03

killed the Pope. JD. He

6:05

went and killed the Pope.

6:07

J .D. You kind of can

6:09

see where it's going from

6:12

there. That one courtesy of

6:14

Geraldine Rice on the Discord.

6:16

Super producer Victor sent this article

6:18

to the chat yesterday. Did you

6:20

guys see the quote from J .D.

6:22

Vance when asked about being one

6:24

of the last officials to meet

6:27

with the Pope? He's like, I

6:29

thought a lot about that, actually.

6:31

It's pretty crazy, actually. Obviously,

6:34

when I saw him, I didn't

6:36

know that he had less than 24

6:38

hours still on this earth. It's

6:41

like, in fact,

6:43

that's so obvious. You

6:45

feeling the need to say it makes

6:47

me want to take another look at

6:49

that assumption, but you

6:51

didn't know he had less than

6:54

24 hours. I didn't realize my

6:56

skin would burn when I touched

6:58

him, though. I wasn't expecting that.

7:00

I didn't know he would gasp

7:02

and say I've never seen such

7:04

evil before and fall into a

7:06

deep coma. Crazy,

7:08

dog. Anyways, my life

7:10

is like a movie, dog. It's a

7:13

movie, dude. The same

7:15

movie joined, as always, by my

7:17

co -host, Mr. Miles Gray. It's

7:19

Miles Gray. When

7:21

Zeitgeist was in

7:23

podcast land, let

7:26

us fucking go.

7:30

Contractions know they shall

7:32

not stand. Let

7:35

us fucking

7:37

go. Shut up, Halcyon

7:39

salad, cause yeah, we don't fuck with

7:41

contractions and it sounds better when

7:43

you say, let us fucking go. Let

7:45

us fucking go. So let us, let

7:48

us, let us please, shall we?

7:50

Anyway, Halcyon solid. Thanks for that one

7:52

and apologies for my Louis Armstrong impression

7:54

But sometimes you got to dust off

7:56

the old vocal cords. I mean that

7:58

I feel like that is putting a

8:00

Time limit on your podcast and career

8:03

whatever whatever it takes to do that

8:05

that feels like that hurts No,

8:07

no, it's great. It's great. It's great. It's

8:09

no problem. It's annoying to everyone in my

8:11

home, though. Miles,

8:13

we are thrilled to be

8:15

joined by two of the people

8:17

behind the amazing Nerd Culture

8:19

podcast, X -Ray Vision, brilliantly talented

8:21

executive producer and the award -winning

8:23

host, respectively. Please welcome Joel Monique

8:26

and Rosie Nye. Some

8:30

people like to call us I

8:32

Heart's home for fandom. That's

8:37

us. We're the home for

8:39

the fans. Come. Yes, we

8:41

are behind I heart home for

8:43

fandom. Hell, there we go. That's

8:46

what some people are saying. Some

8:48

are saying. Many are saying. Insiders.

8:50

You're right. You're right. We're

8:52

on the menu cost for now. Quite a

8:54

few. I hear it's

8:56

home for fandom. How

8:58

are you guys doing? What a time

9:00

for fandom. What a time to

9:02

be alive. We dubbed

9:04

it IP McGuiden. We

9:06

are in IP McGuiden now.

9:09

No, you killed it

9:11

with it. April to May

9:13

has been wild, lost

9:15

of us and or. Sinners

9:18

obviously like unbelievable.

9:21

Smash it. Very glad that. Just

9:23

coming off a daredevil. Just coming

9:25

off a daredevil born again. Which

9:27

we're considering. You're saying sinners and

9:29

or the last of us. But

9:31

you mean and or the stars. If

9:34

you want to pick one or

9:36

the other, that's also fine. But

9:39

yes, and or the critically acclaimed

9:41

Disney television program by Tony Tonesone

9:43

Gilroy. of Michael Clayton found the

9:45

Tone Zone. You've been taken to

9:47

the Tone Zone. We're there every

9:49

day. love Michael Clayton.

9:51

I love to get taken to the

9:53

Zone. Trust me, we're talking about

9:55

Michael Clayton too much. Podcast

9:58

and in real life. Like, me, Joellen,

10:00

Jason in one group chat, you're

10:02

going to be getting a Michael Clayton.

10:04

That was the other pitched tagline

10:06

for the show. We're talking about Michael

10:08

Clayton maybe too much. People,

10:10

many people say they are the home

10:12

for too many Michael Clayton. references. Oh,

10:15

yeah. Yeah. Oh, just I want

10:17

to be I just want to be

10:19

off like that dude and Michael Clayton.

10:21

Yeah, just they I mean, they

10:23

take care of the universe, you know,

10:25

glove treatment. They just come in,

10:28

they take care of you. They

10:30

it down. They lay it down.

10:32

Handle everything. We handle it. You

10:34

won't even know. check their watch

10:36

as your pulse is fading. That

10:39

is one of the

10:41

wildest. That scene is written

10:43

on my soul. It

10:45

is so dark. It's the

10:47

clinical nature of it

10:49

because you're like... they've done

10:52

this they've done their

10:54

10 ,000 hours of set

10:56

up deaths It's a hit

10:58

that happens in the

11:00

movie Michael Clayton that is

11:03

clinical and also feels

11:05

very realistic And yeah, I

11:07

feel like in a

11:09

in a bowing era that

11:11

we're living in, you

11:14

know, you're thinking about all

11:16

the time. You're like,

11:18

wow Also, Tony Gilroy, like

11:20

just an unbelievable talent, you know,

11:22

not only is Andorra really fantastic

11:24

television show, but he also wrote

11:27

The Cutting Edge, like the ice

11:29

skating movie. Yeah, he did. said,

11:31

like, oh, Clayton, it's like, what can this

11:33

man do? I love The Cutting Edge. On Legacy,

11:35

Cutting Edge, we've been talking about it. Me

11:37

and Jason, we talked to Tony about it last

11:39

season. I'm sure it will come up again. it.

11:42

That was advocate, like Armageddon.

11:44

Wow. Just like, he's doing all

11:46

kinds of stuff, you know?

11:48

He's a great guy. And Andorra

11:50

is Yeah, it's like a

11:52

masterpiece, but I mean one thing

11:54

that can be said about

11:56

miles and I with With the

11:58

number of aka's we've had

12:00

so far as oh, I have

12:02

so many names All right,

12:05

we're gonna get to know you

12:07

both a little bit better

12:09

in a moment First we're gonna

12:11

tell the listeners a couple

12:13

of the things we're talking about

12:15

which we're gonna talk about

12:17

Trump's approval rating Being

12:19

in the in the

12:21

shitter. Yeah, is that

12:23

am I reading this correctly?

12:26

Yeah, that's yeah sh

12:28

i t t e

12:30

r. Yeah shit. Yeah, yeah

12:32

the shitter Vladimir stop

12:34

Stop it Vladimir that he's

12:37

a Steely negotiator Isn't

12:39

that that tweet really? I

12:41

am not happy with the Russian

12:43

strike on cube not necessary and

12:45

very bad timing Vladimir stop Five

12:48

thousand soldiers a week are dying.

12:50

Let's get the peace deal. That really

12:52

was giving Ellis and diehard another really

12:54

old reference, but where he's talking to

12:56

Hans Gruber, he's like Hans, babe, put

12:59

away the gun. This is radio,

13:01

not television. Come on, come on.

13:03

Like just I had no idea who

13:05

he was dealing with up to this moment.

13:08

Stop. Oh my God. Stop. Why you so crazy?

13:10

Sounds like a husband trying to communicate with

13:12

his wife on Facebook. Oh my

13:14

God. Please. Babe, turn it down.

13:16

Dad, this is public. Please. Yes.

13:19

Yeah. We'll talk about the new

13:21

Academy Award rules that seem

13:23

onerous to me. They seem too

13:26

harsh. Really hard.

13:29

What happened to just copying the Golden

13:31

Globes? Yeah. You know? I

13:33

don't know. Well, those guys watched it, right? We

13:36

might talk about media literacy.

13:38

We might talk about the fire

13:40

festival, all of that, plenty

13:43

more. But first, Rosie, Joel, we

13:45

do like to get to know our

13:47

guests a little bit better by asking

13:49

them something from their search history that

13:51

is revealing about who they are. I'd

13:53

like to ask you both for that.

13:55

And then I understand that you've decided

13:57

to trade off the overrated underrated. Yes.

14:00

Rosie, can you go first on search history?

14:03

Yeah, I can because today

14:05

I was looking up the

14:07

very exciting laws around internet

14:09

safety when you work for

14:12

a large corporation. So I

14:14

was searching exciting things such

14:16

as, oh, I'm like 100

14:18

years old guys. I'm looking

14:20

in my history. I'm like,

14:23

where's the search guys? Like

14:25

I don't remember the acronym. But

14:27

okay, I'll tell you this is

14:30

a good one. Currently in my search

14:32

history, I do have my training, which

14:34

I was trying to learn about

14:36

different kinds of important health and

14:38

safety. I also have a Reddit

14:41

for what do people give out

14:43

free at K -pop concerts because

14:45

I was making a present for

14:47

my friend who loves K -pop. And

14:50

what's the other most interesting history?

14:52

Wait, what do you mean give

14:54

out free etiquette? Oh, okay. Let

14:56

me educate you because I too

14:58

am I am like not a

15:00

young hip person anymore if I

15:02

ever was and basically at Kpop

15:04

concerts and I'm sorry to the

15:06

Taylor Swift fans. It was their

15:09

first it is very Common for

15:11

the young girls and the young

15:13

people who go to these shows

15:15

they make fan photo cards of

15:17

the K -pop idols, they

15:19

switch kind of all kinds of merchandise.

15:21

People will take plastic cups, people will

15:23

take those light sticks, and when you

15:25

go on Reddit and you look at

15:27

freebies on concerts, because I am just

15:29

a dad who looks up everything on

15:32

Reddit, they're just these unbelievable halls

15:34

that these girls get when they go

15:36

because There's, you know, 20 ,000 people

15:38

there and they're all switching around little

15:40

bracelets with their bias on there or

15:42

with the name of the band. So

15:44

like the Taylor Swift bracelets. It's kind

15:46

of like that, but like more. extrapolated

15:49

to multiple different kinds of merchandise and a

15:51

big part of like kpop popularity is these

15:53

things called photo cards where it's just like

15:56

a little photo of the idol and they

15:58

trade them kind of like trading cards so

16:00

yeah i was looking up that kind of

16:02

stuff to to arrange a cute surprise for

16:04

a friend and i was really learning a

16:06

lot as i always do when i go

16:08

and read it and ask a question that

16:10

a hundred. 40 year old men have asked

16:12

before me. My

16:14

daughter is going to a k

16:16

-pop show. Have you tried just

16:18

going to google and asking their

16:20

ai? Absolutely not. Oh, okay.

16:22

Dude, I'm just as a person who

16:24

spends a lot of time on the

16:27

internet and who writes a lot

16:29

of articles and does a lot of

16:31

journalism. The moment that that came up,

16:33

I was like, I have to. Pretend

16:35

it doesn't exist. Oh, yeah, because otherwise

16:37

at one point I will Because I'm

16:40

busy and I will get caught and

16:42

suddenly I will be writing something completely

16:44

factually inaccurate I'm like I gotta stay

16:46

to the sources. I know the sites

16:48

I know and mostly that has just

16:50

led to me just going to the

16:53

thing like you just have to because

16:55

you can't you gotta ignore it Google

16:57

completely broken for completely like years now

16:59

and now they just have a thing

17:01

that's like what what if we just

17:03

like took from the top five results

17:05

that have been wrong for years yeah.

17:09

This is my first old

17:11

man yells at cloud moment

17:13

where my kids don't look

17:15

at the AI it's terrible

17:17

answers so frequently wrong and

17:20

it's really terrifying. if

17:22

you're a person who really enjoys

17:24

people reading, because I feel like just

17:27

reducing literacy comprehension by even more.

17:29

And you're just like, it's just Google.

17:31

It used to be so accurate.

17:33

You guys remember when Google was good?

17:35

Let's go over there and find what you

17:37

were looking for. I remember using Ask

17:40

Jeeves, guys. I used to have a bot

17:42

lock, a personal internet lock. That was

17:44

the beginning, though. the best CS I've ever

17:46

been. That was kind of the beginning

17:48

of the AI creep, though, because with Ask

17:50

Jeeves, I remember was totally set up

17:52

to be like, rather than a search term,

17:54

like, what's the weather? Yeah,

17:56

yeah, exactly, in a conversational way. But

17:58

I mean, the more I look like AI

18:00

and I hear like, Like like men

18:02

talk about it's like dude like you can

18:04

actually do therapy on there. I'm

18:06

like I'm now convinced AI was just

18:08

created so men didn't have to appear

18:10

like they didn't know anything in public.

18:13

No I think that you I think

18:15

it was that is one of the

18:17

biggest problems with it is it is

18:19

exactly that because I didn't realize in

18:21

my you know naivete as somebody who's

18:23

just too old to have been suckered

18:25

into it multiple friends that I have

18:27

who work with people who are in

18:29

their 20s are just constantly catching them

18:31

using it. Like it is become the

18:33

go -to so quickly to just put

18:35

something through chat gtp or ask them

18:37

a question and then people come on

18:39

the internet as they always have done

18:41

an act like they are an expert

18:43

source but the funny thing is now

18:45

they are getting it from like a

18:47

Before you might have gone to a

18:49

fandom site like fans sourced media and Archival

18:52

spaces are really really important and have

18:54

for a long time been like at the

18:56

heart of a lot of genre fandoms,

18:59

but you would go there and you would

19:01

read someone else's thing you would maybe

19:03

do some research or maybe you just quote

19:05

it from Wikipedia, but now you're literally

19:07

just quoting something wrong like nine times out

19:09

of ten that I answer is going

19:11

to be absolutely incorrect. I was looking up

19:13

something about. the

19:16

technological safety. I'm

19:18

really sure I'm making this corporation feel

19:20

great. I obviously have all the lingo

19:22

down, but don't worry, I will never

19:24

put a USB stick where it doesn't

19:26

belong guys. I know that much. Big

19:28

thing that you learn in those trainings

19:30

is if you find a USB stick

19:32

in the parking lot. Don't don't load

19:34

it up. Don't don't just take pick

19:36

it up and plug it directly into

19:39

your computer as I had been doing

19:41

for Because whose computer even still has

19:43

a USB? But

19:45

like even during that

19:47

while I was

19:49

trying to understand a

19:52

bit more about

19:54

like these different legislations

19:56

have come in

19:58

in the last 20,

20:00

you know since

20:03

2015 or whenever. Every

20:05

time I would be googling to try

20:07

and understand more about it, because I'm like,

20:10

if I'm going to do the training,

20:12

I may as well actually learn something. So

20:14

I googled it, and then they are

20:16

legit giving me like the incorrect answer, information

20:18

in the top, while the correct thing

20:20

is in the, you know, the answer below.

20:22

And that, I think as well, Joelle,

20:24

you must know this feeling. Me

20:27

and Joel both came up like doing,

20:29

you know, journalism, entertainment journalism

20:31

and stuff. And if you wrote

20:34

like a big deep dive interview

20:36

or a law piece, five years

20:38

ago, the best kind of feeling

20:40

of achievement was if yours was

20:42

the first answer on Google, you

20:44

would be like, okay, I'm the most excited.

20:46

I'm ever like, this is me. Now I'm like,

20:48

that better not fucking ever quote me on

20:50

the AI because it means I definitely got something

20:52

wrong. Right. Yeah.

20:55

I mean, it just generally

20:57

gets AI is a perfect

20:59

replacement for men in that

21:01

they just created a machine

21:03

that will give an answer

21:05

that isn't correct very confidently

21:07

made by men for men

21:09

and you don't have placement

21:11

and you don't have to

21:13

struggle in public because you

21:15

can quietly just like your

21:18

phone and even for fucking

21:20

therapy. Yeah. Uh,

21:22

I mean, I know and like I

21:24

can see that there are potentially non malicious

21:26

applications of it But like when I

21:28

see the amount of people like reflexively like

21:30

just think that that's the answer. That's

21:32

what that's what spooks me up. Yeah Joel,

21:35

is there something from your search history that's

21:37

revealing about who are? it's so funny. You bring

21:39

up K -pop because I was picking up Blackpink

21:41

tickets. Hey! I

21:44

like Jenny. She's cool.

21:47

Everybody loves Lalisa. She's pretty

21:49

sweet. Rose got her little

21:52

tip -a -tip song that I'm

21:54

doing. Maybe I'll go see the

21:56

girls. song is everywhere. It's

21:58

literally taken over my feet. And I was like,

22:00

well, maybe I'll go, but tickets were more expensive

22:02

than I paid for Beyonce. And I was like,

22:04

oh, shit. I can't. I don't. I think I

22:06

can't do that. I can't. So I'm just going

22:08

to wait. I mean, there's still a ton of

22:11

tickets left. So I'm like, maybe closer to the

22:13

concert. We'll look around. What about

22:15

this Joel? This is not an advertisement as I

22:17

am not sponsored, but I do enjoy the

22:19

game time app where you can buy a ticket

22:21

like two hours before a show and it's

22:23

like 20 bucks. That was what happened with Beyonce

22:25

last time. There was all these people buying

22:27

floor show tickets for like 60 bucks during the

22:29

Renaissance tour. Like as long as you're like

22:31

a couple of hours away. So I think you've

22:34

got the right idea. Wait, I haven't explored

22:36

the game time app yet, but let me download

22:38

it because I'm also looking at floor seats

22:40

for the WNBA games when those start back up.

22:42

You know, I've been wanting to go. I

22:44

haven't you. Yes. Because Rosie, it was you. You

22:46

were telling me about how much fun the

22:48

WNBA games were. And I was like, I gotta

22:50

go check these things out. The WNBA you

22:52

can buy because the Sparks ended up as the

22:54

lowest team, if not maybe one of, I

22:57

think it was the lowest ranked, but, and I

22:59

went to the last game and it was

23:01

unbelievable. The girl, I just. wanted to cry. She

23:03

was like, I'm so sorry. We'll do better.

23:05

Like the captain of the team. And I was

23:07

like, no, you are amazing. Like, it's okay.

23:09

None of us watching this are professional athletes. But

23:12

that's like, it's okay. Like you

23:14

didn't do the cheapest they had. When

23:16

I emailed to find out about

23:18

the season tickets, they had season tickets

23:20

that started at like 400 bucks. for

23:23

like not terrible seats. We're about to be

23:25

at the WPA all the time. I just feel

23:27

like it's a big place for the queer

23:29

girlies to like hang out, meet one another, see

23:32

amazingly tall Amazon women dunk on each other

23:34

like I'm just really here for. And I

23:36

will add another selling point which is when

23:38

I went, two of the girls had a

23:40

fist fight. It was

23:42

pretty griner and one of the girls from the

23:44

Sparks and they got in a fist fight and

23:46

they got the game and they both got ejected.

23:48

Just straight up ejected. It was, it was pretty

23:51

sick. I'm not going to lie. sports fight is

23:53

a top tier. I've never been to a sporting

23:55

event where there's been a fist fight, but if

23:57

there's one happening and I'm like, I'm on my

23:59

feet immediately. I'm like, let's go. Let's see. I

24:01

just look. I don't know if I being IRL,

24:03

but sports are not real life. That's it.

24:05

Those are billionaires punching each other. We should all

24:07

be lining up to see it. Somebody's

24:10

writing a script somewhere. It's like, just

24:12

let them fight. That's

24:14

fair. I feel like there's a

24:16

lot of bloodlust right now in the

24:18

sports fandom. There are a

24:20

couple of NBA series that could have

24:22

a really good chance in round one

24:24

of the NBA playoffs of going. Spilling

24:26

over into street fights and everyone's like,

24:29

yeah, yeah It's like the same reason

24:31

people watch hockey. They just want to

24:33

see somebody beat someone else up, right?

24:35

Yeah, that's the same reason people go

24:37

to the to see any kind of

24:39

large, slightly dangerous event is like, oh,

24:41

what if it went wrong? Like there's

24:44

a human curiosity there. And you're right,

24:46

2025 is bringing out the bloodlust. Oh,

24:48

yeah. What if the horses and the

24:50

Kentucky Derby started fighting each other? Okay,

24:52

that would be sick, though. I would

24:54

watch this. I don't want to see

24:56

the animals fight. Put up your hoops.

24:58

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25:01

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25:03

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25:05

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Rosie, we do like to ask

29:14

our guests, what is something you think

29:16

is underrated? Wow, I'm so sorry to

29:18

everybody listening to this, because as Joelle

29:20

knows... essentially my job to love underrated

29:22

stuff on x -ray vision. I am

29:24

the only fan of the marvel's eternal

29:26

movie Eternals movie, which I thought was

29:28

wonderful hard sci -fi So and I am

29:31

that has been my cross to bear

29:33

I am sitting in my Marvel Eternals

29:35

gaming chair that I bought as a

29:37

troll on a discount at some point

29:39

and is now just cemented me as

29:41

the number one Eternals fan But that's

29:43

not what I'm gonna talk about because

29:45

it's actually finally slightly rated because of

29:47

letterbox and Disney plus I'm gonna tell

29:49

you about the most

29:51

underrated film franchise that you've

29:53

never heard of. And it

29:55

is the Vivica A. Fox

29:57

produced and starring in 27

29:59

movie long lifetime franchise called

30:02

The Wrong Movie Franchise, or

30:04

as I call it, The

30:06

Wrong Franchise. Every single movie

30:08

is directed by David DeCoto, who

30:10

is a gay... A. E. Schlock director

30:12

who was most known for horror

30:14

but has moved into the TV made

30:16

for TV movies space. He is

30:18

very well known for a really one

30:20

of the worst movies ever made.

30:22

It's generally recognized as called a talking

30:24

cat, which has Eric Roberts voicing

30:27

a talking cat. And it is like

30:29

a perennial midnight movie classic. Now

30:31

it's insane. But the wrong movies are

30:33

very simple. They are women in

30:35

peril, as we call lifetime movies, nine

30:37

act structure. And every single one

30:39

is called the wrong cheerleader the wrong

30:41

real estate agent the wrong coach

30:43

the wrong cheerleading coach assistant like they

30:45

get more and more niches they

30:47

go and they are really fun schlocky

30:49

b movies and vivica is amazing

30:51

and she also owns her and wig

30:53

company so she's always got those

30:55

nice wigs on in the movie which

30:57

lifetimes of movies do not often

30:59

have but the best part of every

31:01

movie is about five or six

31:03

movies in they realized that they were

31:05

kind of onto a camp classic

31:07

so at the end of the movie

31:10

when like five people have been

31:12

murdered by whoever the wrong person is

31:14

vivica like turns around and she

31:16

goes i guess you hired the wrong

31:18

real estate agent and it is

31:20

incredible and they made 27 of them

31:22

and they stopped making them about

31:24

two and a half years ago but

31:26

i'm like desperate for them to

31:28

Bring them back because it is I

31:30

think it is I think lifetime

31:32

movie. This is my pitch my general

31:34

underrated lifetime pitch It is the

31:36

contemporary B movie hub of the world

31:38

which that crown may be being

31:40

taken by Chubi originals now, but it

31:42

has been for a long time

31:44

Like 80 % of their movies in

31:46

2022 were directed and written by women

31:48

So it's also a space where

31:50

the numbers of people they get to

31:53

make the movies are like so

31:55

much more diverse than you would think

31:57

and it has really a fox

31:59

basically Like doing a campy bit at

32:01

the end of every movie. So

32:03

go and watch them guys the wrong

32:05

movie franchise My dream is to

32:07

make a podcast called the wrong podcast

32:09

where I just rewatch them all

32:11

with vidica and talk about the masterpieces

32:13

What uh, yeah, so it looks

32:15

like they ended on 26 and 27

32:17

the wrong life coach was 26

32:19

Exactly the wrong obsession, which I don't

32:21

know that could be anything. I

32:23

feel like there's too vague Yeah, I

32:25

have a spec script that I

32:27

wrote because I was so obsessed with

32:29

them. That's just um the wrong

32:31

the wrong publisher and she's like a

32:33

kathy -esque like female cartoonist right doing

32:36

strip comics but her editor is

32:38

like becomes obsessed with her and then

32:40

tries to steal the comic and

32:42

i'm like guys you're going as niche

32:44

as like the wrong real estate

32:46

agent i think we can move it

32:48

into like publishing comic space like

32:50

that they did the wrong they did

32:52

the wrong cheerleader and the wrong

32:54

cheer captain So they're, they're willing to,

32:56

and the wrong cheerleader coach. Exactly.

32:58

There's multiple. Lifetime movies

33:00

love cheerleaders for some reason.

33:02

This is my, the $3 ,000

33:04

Jessica Fletcher question, because

33:06

Jessica Fletcher is a character,

33:08

you know, the star of murder

33:11

she wrote is a character

33:13

who it doesn't real, she's a

33:15

mystery writer. But it doesn't

33:17

really make sense that 90 %

33:19

of the people she's ever met

33:21

get murdered or are involved

33:23

in a murder. Her town has

33:25

a Cabot Cove where she

33:27

lives. It's just like, if you

33:30

live there, you're going to

33:32

get murdered. Yeah, it's like Detroit

33:34

and Cabot Cove. What is

33:36

the reason that Vivek gave Fox

33:38

within the movies? Is

33:40

involved in so many murders they they did

33:42

learn from the murder she wrote trope

33:44

and while they could have made Vivica the

33:46

same character in every movie That is

33:48

not the case. It is not like a

33:50

shared universe because most people who watch

33:52

lifetime movies just turn on if Vivica Fox

33:54

is in it They're just gonna turn

33:56

it on so sometimes she is a main

33:58

character. I think the real wrong real

34:00

estate Agent she is the one who gets

34:02

the real estate agent who becomes obsessed

34:04

with her but often she might just be

34:06

like the head teacher of the school Oh,

34:09

so it depends as she goes and

34:11

they're always different characters. It is not

34:13

like Jessica obviously the murderer Fletcher and

34:15

I watch that show like religiously. There's

34:18

a 24 hour free murder. She wrote

34:20

channel on Roku TV. So that's like

34:22

one of my ultimate work things. But

34:24

yeah, her in mid Jessica Fletcher and

34:26

the guys from mid summer murders. Like

34:28

if you ever see them, just don't

34:30

just leave. She's the angel of death.

34:33

Jessica Fletcher is the angel of death.

34:35

Wow, what a gig for Vivigay Fox,

34:37

to just be like a supporting character

34:39

who's there to just turn around and

34:41

be like, looks like you picked the

34:43

wrong high school sweetheart. Exactly, it's miraculous.

34:45

You get to do the Horatio from

34:48

CSI Miami. Yeah, every time and throw

34:50

the fucking on off. Oh my God,

34:52

I would love, and they do a

34:54

freeze frame. Yeah, but I'm

34:56

sure they don't have the budget for

34:58

the who for these movies. So

35:00

it'll just be like, get a

35:02

sound to like. Do a sound alike. Instead

35:04

they got the who? The who? Joel,

35:10

what is something you think is overrated? I

35:13

feel bad because I'm sure this has been

35:15

on your series before because it's basic AF, but

35:17

I think leaving the house is overrated. It's

35:20

good to leave. It's good to

35:22

go outside and touch grass. You want

35:24

to do that. But sometimes I

35:26

feel like. People are very, they're too

35:28

excited about me. They're like, there's

35:30

so much to do out here. I'm

35:33

like, but I perfectly curated the

35:35

internal space of my domicile to comfort

35:37

me like a womb so I

35:39

can rest and reset my physical and

35:41

mental being. And I just feel

35:43

like we don't appreciate the protective spaces

35:45

that we've created for ourselves. agree.

35:47

Stay in the house sometimes. Sometimes talk

35:49

to no one. I just really

35:51

think Alone time by yourself

35:53

decompressing is not valued like it should

35:55

be and we should course correct I

35:57

think it depends on how important it

35:59

is to you. I'm I can't Socialize

36:01

unless I'm alone for a significant period

36:03

of time. I'm gonna recharge the social

36:06

battery Yeah, like I'm I'm like an

36:08

extroverted introvert I guess like people be

36:10

like whoa like when you're like you

36:12

like to talk and you make jokes

36:14

I'm like bro. I have to then

36:16

go into my fucking Dracula coffin basically

36:18

and be like Yeah,

36:27

that's why I love hanging out

36:29

with Joel and like being besties because

36:32

both of us if we're just

36:34

like I don't have any energy anymore

36:36

man like I'm just out we'll

36:38

be like cool I'm also going home

36:40

like this is great or just

36:42

stay in one of our houses and

36:44

just lay on the sofa there

36:46

Rosie once hosted a haunted sleepover. She

36:49

got us some great movies, little

36:51

popcorn bowls, a plushie, which was

36:53

so cute. And she made

36:55

us little beds. And we were just

36:57

cozy watching horror movies in Twilight Zone.

36:59

And honestly, I was

37:02

seeing something the other day that was like, uh, I can't

37:04

date men because my girlfriends take me on better dates.

37:06

And this is exactly what I mean. It's

37:11

so true. Like my friend, uh,

37:13

one of my besties Annie, she texted

37:16

me. And it was a tweet

37:18

that someone had done where it was

37:20

like, why can't you just find

37:22

a man and settle with a man?

37:24

And it's like, because my friends

37:26

text me like this, and it's like,

37:28

oh, the love of my life,

37:30

the soul that I was meant to

37:32

have. How can I go one

37:34

day without seeing your face or hearing

37:36

a voice note? You light up

37:38

my life. And it's like, and you

37:40

text a dude, and it's just

37:42

like, OK. Period Yeah, you're getting the

37:44

haul Drago like love like stars

37:47

All right, I think you made your

37:49

case. I'm never leaving my house

37:51

again. Let's get

37:53

it Let's get

37:55

into some of the reasons that we

37:57

might never want to leave our houses

37:59

again. Great alley -oop Joel. Look at that.

38:01

Just pure lead -in. You're a producer. You

38:04

could never question it. But

38:06

so one of the things,

38:08

like as we're watching

38:10

everything go to complete hell

38:12

around us, one of

38:14

the things that I, my brain

38:16

always asks is like, is everybody

38:18

else seeing this? This

38:20

is like this is bad

38:23

bad, right? Like this where we

38:25

all think this is bad

38:27

turns out not everybody but Donald

38:29

Trump's approval Not not in

38:31

the greatest place. No, I mean

38:33

it's being like I'm the

38:35

most popular president of all time

38:38

Yeah, he has a current

38:40

approval rating of 40 % after

38:42

a hundred days that puts him

38:44

at the lowest ever since

38:46

the era of polling only second

38:48

to Donald Trump in

38:50

2017 Keep it himself company down. Yeah, exactly.

38:52

You know, you got it. You got

38:55

to stay sharp, baby You know what I

38:57

mean? You got it. You always got

38:59

to push yourself the deal Yeah,

39:01

exactly. And I think like,

39:03

yeah, to your point, Jack, you're like, ah, because usually

39:05

like the Republican like the Republican base, when you pull them,

39:07

they're like, no, I love everything. And this is great.

39:09

And this is how it's supposed to be. It's

39:12

the things are trending downward in

39:14

a consistent way. Now granted, more

39:16

Republicans obviously approve of what Trump

39:18

is doing than not. But the

39:20

only by about like. Like there's

39:22

a solid 33 % of Republicans

39:24

are like I he

39:28

was gonna make the other

39:30

countries pay for the tariff

39:32

I thought he was gonna

39:35

take away the bad immigrants.

39:37

I was a good one

39:39

because I got in Oh,

39:41

so the places where he's

39:43

really just truly fucking up

39:45

in the eyes of the American

39:47

public, obviously is around inflation and tariffs.

39:49

That was about only 33 % approval

39:51

rating there. And I think most

39:54

people who understand that, you know, we

39:56

toil under capitalism with the promise

39:58

of maybe retirement based on our stock

40:00

market gambled retirement funds that we

40:02

get, they saw those take a hit

40:04

and are like, what in the fuck happened

40:06

here? Like that was just, I think, just

40:08

so tangible for people in a way that

40:10

you couldn't just culture war that away. That

40:13

He's definitely hurting there then

40:15

on the economy just overall record

40:17

low record low approval rating

40:20

on the economy 38 % This

40:22

is these are all coming from

40:24

a Fox News poll Okay,

40:26

like this is as friendly as

40:28

you're gonna get in terms

40:30

of like Trump polling then without

40:32

look like so 71 % of

40:35

Respond and said that they

40:37

rated the economy economic conditions negatively

40:39

55 % said that conditions were

40:41

worsening for their families, right?

40:43

That's Yeah, those aren't great. The

40:45

one place that polling is

40:47

above 50 % for Trump is

40:50

on kidnap immigration. But

40:52

even those numbers

40:55

are trending downwards.

40:58

You can see it's way different

41:00

than February to now because now

41:02

more people are seeing the methodology

41:04

and they're like, what the fuck

41:06

is this? All I'm hearing is

41:08

just horror stories. just

41:10

disappearing people with, you know, no

41:12

regard for due process or,

41:14

you know, their status seems to

41:16

not The winning combination that

41:18

he thought it was a naturally

41:20

Trump responded to this poll

41:22

on his favorite about his favorite

41:24

TV show with anger He

41:26

said Rupert Murdoch has told me

41:28

for years that he is

41:30

going to get rid of his

41:32

Fox News Trump hating fake

41:34

pollster Never done so This pollster

41:36

has gotten me and Magga

41:38

wrong for years Take away truth

41:40

social. That's just like I

41:42

I think he's funny and I

41:44

like his like like

41:47

slights but also like he just

41:49

doesn't need to be just put out

41:51

a press release bro like no

41:53

more truth social no more responses like

41:55

this. He only speaks in shitposts

41:57

unfortunately so that's he's fluent in that.

41:59

Talk to the people get right

42:01

in there. But I mean like when

42:03

you put this against the backdrop

42:05

of all the L's that Trump is

42:07

taking in the court of public

42:09

opinion and in the literal courts like

42:11

already a judge knocked Back the

42:13

sanctuary city funding ban that Trump was

42:15

trying to enact said he has

42:18

to bring another person back from El

42:20

Salvador like just in like the

42:22

last hour You know, then you have

42:24

must been a utter failure The

42:26

courts keep ruling against him. He's angered

42:28

his own base with the tariffs

42:30

measles is well and truly back And

42:32

he couldn't even pretend he had

42:34

the nerve to really even start a

42:36

trade war with China and obviously

42:38

the Russia thing which we'll get to

42:40

in a second But yeah, I

42:42

mean we're seeing like sort of the

42:44

same Trump in terms of like

42:46

his personality and what his level of

42:48

commitment to like fucking things up

42:50

Get lucky and he could just be

42:52

like I want to do this

42:54

anymore and just quit I've been waiting

42:56

for that His kids have been

42:58

like hinting at that since he ran

43:00

they're like you need to do

43:02

this rich He did just pump and

43:05

dump like the entire American economy

43:07

so hopefully he's made enough money in

43:09

that that he could kind of

43:11

back because like I just feel like

43:13

there's only gonna be so much

43:15

money you can rents from this bro

43:17

before something happens so I'm like

43:19

just speed it up and like Joel

43:21

said let's just you can go

43:23

live in Mar -a -Lago or whatever and

43:25

just leave me be Oh,

43:27

yeah. Golf till you're dead, buddy. Just leave me

43:29

the fuck alone. Golf till you're dead.

43:31

I mean, till your heart's content. Yeah, yeah. So

43:34

your heart stops beating. I mean, till your

43:36

heart's content. So your heart can't take it anymore.

43:38

So your heart just can't take it. Cause

43:40

it's so happy. happy. Yeah. Just so filled with

43:42

love. I mean, I feel like

43:44

you could almost feed him to death

43:46

like a goldfish. Like, not that I'm... Are

43:48

you advocating for anything? You know what

43:50

mean? Are you advocating for the killing of

43:53

goldfishes? would never. I'm saying that that

43:55

could theoretically happen. Hypothetically. But, like, someone cruel.

43:57

But, you know, I'm sure he has

44:00

too many, like, dietitians around him

44:02

just being like, sorry, sir, that is

44:04

the 75th Diet Coke of the

44:06

day. And we're actually... That's your limit,

44:08

buddy. Come on. Contractually long tantrum. You

44:11

to drink one cup of water for every

44:13

five sodas. Come on. No! I

44:15

don't like the way it tastes. I

44:18

I feel like he takes shot glasses of

44:20

water. Like you have to, you just

44:22

gotta cram that shit in there. He does

44:24

look very dehydrated at all my God.

44:26

Yeah, desiccated. Pathetic

44:29

blood. Cruelty to poor

44:31

people and people in other countries

44:33

has always been a lagging indicator.

44:36

Like I feel like Americans just

44:38

having lived through the George W.

44:40

Bush administration, like that was

44:42

a thing that we were like, how are people

44:44

still on this shit and

44:46

then pretty swiftly it takes

44:48

like a good year and then

44:50

people start being like this

44:52

guy seems like a fucking idiot

44:54

and he's like also really

44:56

cruel to everybody and killing everybody

44:58

yeah so we'll see America

45:00

just loves to do that like

45:02

the fact that Guantanamo Bay

45:04

never got shut down even after

45:07

everything that happened is exactly

45:09

what you're talking about it's like

45:11

there's some kind of lagging

45:14

understanding of like other people's

45:16

humanity. It's just this, it's

45:18

the unfortunate privilege of being

45:20

so insulated in America that

45:22

it's completely abstract to people.

45:24

And it's only until, what

45:26

happened to my 401k? Yes,

45:29

exactly. People are like, oh,

45:31

so now that you got touched. Yes. You have,

45:33

now you're waking up because you don't have

45:35

the mental capacity to forecast any of this, probably

45:37

because you didn't give a fuck. But now

45:39

you are forced to and now you're like, well,

45:41

who'd I get angry at? Yeah, you're fucking

45:43

guy, bro. Like, I just saw someone post it.

45:46

Facebook post or some Trump supporters like

45:48

sir. I bought a Handcrafted guitar

45:50

from the UK and was asked to

45:53

pay $1 ,600 of tariffs on this

45:55

I do not understand as a

45:57

veteran why I should pay when I

45:59

am purchasing an item from a

46:01

luthier in the UK from an ally

46:03

sir I will be protesting I

46:05

am with you, but this cannot say

46:08

it's like hey dumb fuck this

46:10

is always the fucking like every I

46:12

this is the tariff thing is

46:14

like kind of pushing me over the

46:16

edge because many times you can

46:18

say that people were not well informed.

46:21

They didn't have the right research.

46:23

They didn't have the right information. There

46:25

are many reasons people vote different

46:27

ways. I'm not here to judge them

46:29

as someone who has a green

46:31

card and cannot vote. But the tariff

46:33

thing is killing me because actually

46:36

I saw every single day from podcasters

46:38

to news anchors to random people

46:40

just having conversations in coffee shops, explaining

46:42

to people that you will be

46:44

paying the tariff. Like, in this time,

46:46

I'm like, this is the one

46:49

where there's no plausible denier, Billy. People

46:52

were coming to you and saying,

46:54

hey, that's not how tariffs work. Don't

46:56

listen to him. Even some Republicans,

46:58

you know? And I'm just like,

47:00

guys, this is the thing. You were so

47:02

sure that everyone else was just lying

47:04

to you and only Donald Trump was telling

47:06

you the truth. Right, like I'm sorry

47:08

like pay those tariffs because you fucking should

47:10

have listened Yeah, this I mean the

47:12

thing with all especially what's happening now I

47:14

mean it's different than 2017 and that

47:16

like they had a lot of time to

47:18

warm up for what they were gonna

47:20

do the second they got an office and

47:22

do exactly what what sort of you

47:24

know Support systems they wanted to kick out

47:26

immediately, but then they also brought into

47:28

this administration the mentality of the previous one

47:30

where they believed that Some issues just

47:32

American people weren't paying attention to and didn't

47:34

care about. And they're like, it's going

47:36

to be fine. Like we'll be able to

47:38

do all this shit. They won't even

47:40

fucking notice. But this is a completely different

47:42

version now. And now they're having like

47:44

the shock of being like, they

47:46

wait, they normally didn't care about

47:48

this kind of stuff. Like they just

47:50

like the economy or whatever. They

47:53

just like the concept of it rather

47:55

than how the methodology on how

47:57

we improve it or not. But yeah,

47:59

this is I do see I

48:01

do see an opportunity for Classic Trump

48:03

grift on his base like where

48:05

he's going to fully walk back the

48:07

tariffs and potentially stave off some

48:10

kind of catastrophic recession. Yeah, and I

48:12

saved everybody's money. You can thank

48:14

me. That's why I need four more

48:16

years. It's like, but you are

48:18

the cause of it all. Right.

48:21

We'll see how quick the memory

48:23

fades. It's going to be

48:25

interesting to see if because the like

48:27

the New York Times and. A lot

48:29

of mainstream outlets have been like

48:31

granting him wins where there are none

48:33

like when he's like Trump gets Trump

48:35

gets a concession from Mexico and

48:37

like agrees to pull back tariffs. I

48:39

was like, no, they just Said that

48:41

they were going to give him

48:43

a thing they had already said they

48:45

were going to give him like a

48:47

month ago But it allowed him

48:49

to claim victory like I wonder if

48:51

they'll do that again with China because

48:54

I'm pretending Like, China is just

48:56

like, we're not even talking to this

48:58

motherfucker. Yeah, yeah. China sat down with

49:00

Korea and Japan, and they were

49:02

like, you know, how

49:04

much you must have fucked up

49:06

to get the three of them together.

49:08

I know. They do not usually

49:10

get along. No. And I understand because

49:12

he can unite people in it.

49:14

But I think that, Miles, you struck

49:16

on the true annoying, most annoying

49:18

thing as an observer about Trump's like,

49:20

awe of the deal. And many

49:22

people have noticed this, but I'm going

49:24

to coin it in loser nerd

49:26

terms. Joelle knows one of my

49:29

most hated things is what I

49:31

call walking dead storytelling. And it's when

49:33

the TV show would take five

49:35

episodes to solve something that could have

49:37

been solved in a conversation in

49:39

the first episode where you start the

49:41

story. And that is Trump's art

49:43

of the deal. He's like, he fucks

49:45

it up. He does something that

49:47

really like honestly ruins people's lives, whether

49:49

it's this horrific deportation or anything

49:51

else. Like tariffs and then

49:53

he comes back and gets a slightly

49:55

worse deal than what happened, you

49:57

know, five hypothetical episodes ago five months

50:00

ago And then he's like look

50:02

at me. I saved the day. It's

50:04

like no, sir Like you are

50:06

the one who started us on this

50:08

path of destruction and now we

50:10

have a worse deal than we had

50:13

before But he gets to say

50:15

that he did deals so that's cool.

50:17

He's he's president deals deals president

50:19

He's also, I mean, the one thing

50:21

that I think nobody can deny

50:23

is this guy is tough when it

50:26

comes to international stuff. I mean,

50:28

the way he is having to beg

50:30

Putin and say pretty please on

50:32

Twitter is so tough. I

50:34

feel like that could end

50:37

up being like one of the

50:39

ways that his whole stance

50:41

of like... I'm the only one

50:43

who can fix this. Only

50:45

my conventional wisdom is right. Every

50:48

other thing anybody has said

50:50

is wrong. His approach to Putin

50:52

being like, yeah, yeah, we're

50:54

on Putin's side. We'll give him

50:56

whatever he wants. That is

50:59

so obviously wrong for so many

51:01

reasons. Putin is an autocrat

51:03

and militarily is just looking to...

51:06

conquest. He's like, you

51:08

know, we've seen this before throughout

51:10

history. And the thing that works

51:12

is not going out of your

51:14

way to appease that person. Appeasement

51:17

was a strategy before

51:20

World War Two. And it

51:22

is not looked upon

51:24

kindly. And just like,

51:26

yeah, I don't know,

51:28

the last thing where as

51:30

they're trying to do

51:32

peace talks, Russia struck. Give

51:34

with like a the

51:36

biggest attack in like almost

51:38

a year and he's

51:41

like hey Vladimir stop like

51:43

literally Social apparently he's

51:45

not taking his calls because

51:47

he on true socials

51:49

that Vladimir comma all caps

51:51

stop 5 ,000 soldiers a

51:53

week are dying. Let's

51:55

get the peace deal done

51:58

Just, I don't know. Imagine, like,

52:00

talking to a Bond villain like

52:02

that. Yes. Like, he's literally

52:04

a Bond. Like, I don't know

52:06

if you guys have seen his house

52:08

in the mountains. It's like a...

52:11

How do you describe this? It looks

52:13

like a brutalist architect designed like

52:15

a villain slayer. It's over seeing a

52:17

giant forest. It's isolated on top

52:19

of a mountain. It's all white. It's

52:21

very crazy. I think it's kind

52:24

of interesting to me. like Trump is

52:26

like the popular girl at school,

52:28

you know, like he thinks he's on

52:30

top and now like he's trying

52:32

to figure out how to talk to

52:34

this guy to get him to

52:37

listen. It's insane to me because Putin's

52:39

never listened to anybody in his

52:41

entire existence. And the

52:43

fact that he thinks he can maneuver

52:45

and like, I think I've been reading

52:47

a lot about narcissists lately. Yeah.

52:49

And I one of the things

52:51

The people think are like the

52:53

narcissists are not trying to be

52:56

cruel. They believe their delusion Right

52:58

and to think you who else

53:00

has been reading a lot about

53:02

narcissists Vladimir Putin Russian military and

53:04

Yeah, just tell him he's right

53:06

dude. He'll fucking do anything. Yeah,

53:09

that's and I think that's the

53:11

wildest thing is that We have

53:13

gotten into a situation where there

53:15

is almost like Too much transparency

53:17

like we want the fake version

53:20

of this where it seems like

53:22

there is some kind of safety

53:24

net around the idea of who

53:26

the president is and things the

53:28

president can and can't do which

53:30

I have learned since moving here

53:33

in 2017 is essentially a trust

53:35

-based system with like no laws

53:37

and it's just Depends what the

53:39

person wants to do which sadly

53:41

for Democrats is usually nothing and

53:44

for Republicans is like become an

53:46

author or authoritarian government, but it's

53:48

like the the mechanics and the

53:50

machine are no longer there pretending

53:52

like Trump is sent a strongly

53:54

worded letter to Putin and he

53:57

called him and told him, don't

53:59

do that. You know, instead

54:01

it's just like he's on,

54:03

he's on his own weird Twitter

54:05

dupe sounding like, you know,

54:07

a cat. a baby brother. Yeah.

54:11

And also like, who believes that that's going

54:13

to make Vladimir Putin stop? Like, oh,

54:15

his followers, I want to know what the.

54:17

Support rating is like his polling numbers

54:20

are specifically for like do his followers actually

54:22

think when he posts that that he

54:24

seems like a cool big tough man Or

54:26

does he just seem like the little

54:28

baby brother like stuff? Well, I think some

54:30

people are like he's trying to be

54:32

tough man. I read that is Vladimir stop

54:35

Right. Oh, and that's how I that's

54:37

how I read that's the that's the ambiguity

54:39

about text You know, you can you

54:41

can put any kind of meaning on top

54:43

of it. But yeah, there's yeah, it's

54:45

like to your point He does have this

54:47

thing where he's constantly having a reckoning

54:49

with reality versus what his own expectation is

54:52

of how people are gonna receive him

54:54

and like even with in regards to like

54:56

Zelensky and making a deal he's like

54:58

okay asshole let's make a deal. You're gonna

55:00

get fuck all you're gonna seed all

55:02

this territory to Russia and you can't join

55:04

NATO and you'll give us all of

55:06

your rare earth minerals how does that sound

55:09

and he's like no. And

55:11

now suddenly he's like

55:13

fuck There's some good

55:15

messages in there for

55:17

him like power doesn't

55:19

panic There's some good

55:21

lessons in there for

55:23

season two for him.

55:26

So they will watch

55:28

and they're like, you

55:30

know what I learned

55:32

from The imperial government

55:34

seems great. No problems there.

55:37

Ultimate power, ultimate control, looking

55:39

good. And those stormtroopersuits, whoa, beautiful.

55:42

Really nicely designed. it ups its fashion,

55:44

it would be a win. If

55:47

it made Republicans as a whole

55:49

look better, at least we have this.

55:51

If they're killing us, at least make them look

55:53

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members viewing to ensure they've

1:00:29

watched all the nominees

1:00:31

and if they saw it

1:00:33

somewhere else they have

1:00:35

to like Say where they

1:00:37

saw it. I know is the form is

1:00:39

the form gonna be like you got to

1:00:41

get it notarized by someone at the site

1:00:44

at the screening to be like they really

1:00:46

did watch this movie they didn't walk out

1:00:48

halfway. I saw it on like Friday at

1:00:50

the AMC I think. 16.

1:00:54

All these tickets are digitized. If you're

1:00:56

going to a festival, you got your

1:00:58

digitized tickets and go to the AMC.

1:01:01

Trust me, you're an AMC sub -member for part of the Academy.

1:01:03

Okay, you got it right there. So you can see your

1:01:05

phone. You can pull it up at any time. It's

1:01:08

never been easier. And then you

1:01:10

just sign in when you go to

1:01:12

your Academy screenings. This is so

1:01:14

long. It's egregious to allow people to

1:01:16

vote without having seen all of

1:01:18

the... Absolutely wild. Rosie, Rosie,

1:01:20

Rosie, you're from the UK. I am. Have

1:01:24

the voters for the BAFTAs do such

1:01:26

an absurd thing? Impossible, Miles.

1:01:28

This is so onerous. You may be

1:01:30

shocked to know that BAFTA has

1:01:32

actually been doing it. I know, can

1:01:34

you imagine? Which

1:01:36

I actually think there's something really interesting

1:01:38

for somebody more data -minded than me.

1:01:40

I'm a vibes guy, you know,

1:01:42

I like, I know like what comic

1:01:44

book issue someone arrived in, but

1:01:47

I'm not good at maths or data.

1:01:49

But I think there probably is

1:01:51

a very interesting data -based piece out

1:01:53

there or exploration of what the differences

1:01:55

in the BAFTA and the Oscars

1:01:57

have been over that last few years

1:01:59

where BAFTA was actually having to

1:02:01

watch every movie. Because sometimes there are

1:02:03

some big sea changes at the

1:02:05

BAFTAs when a movie will suddenly take

1:02:07

like 10 awards, but then doesn't

1:02:09

do anything at the Oscars. And I

1:02:11

wonder how much that correlates with

1:02:13

the fact that people just weren't watching

1:02:15

the movies, which I think is

1:02:17

very obvious. with pretty much every year

1:02:19

of the Oscars, is like, there

1:02:21

will be something where you're just like,

1:02:24

how did that get in? Like,

1:02:26

why is that what one? Why

1:02:28

wasn't It's through the best parties, babe. Exactly.

1:02:31

They said that. They said that

1:02:33

they're so charismatic. I succumbed

1:02:35

to all the billboards on Sunset. Dude,

1:02:38

I think about those billboards all

1:02:40

the time. It must be so weird

1:02:42

as like an LA lifer. Because

1:02:44

when I drive past them, I'm always

1:02:46

like, Oh, yeah, this is just

1:02:48

for the execs, right? This is 60

1:02:50

people in the city. So that

1:02:52

60 people will say, ah, they're spending

1:02:54

my money. Like, this is where

1:02:56

the money goes. It's on this giant

1:02:58

billboard. And it's completely wild because

1:03:00

you end up kind of, they live

1:03:02

style, seeing through what

1:03:04

at first is like a

1:03:06

very glamorous, glittery experience of like,

1:03:08

oh, for your consideration, for

1:03:11

your consideration. Wow, like they're really

1:03:13

pushing this actor I love.

1:03:15

But actually, 90 % of the

1:03:17

people who are voting for the

1:03:19

Oscars are probably like not

1:03:22

even gonna know it's that billboard,

1:03:24

you know, they're gonna say

1:03:26

Zazz over here look over here

1:03:28

The billboards just start directly

1:03:30

addressing them. Yeah Don't fire the

1:03:33

guy don't fire the people

1:03:35

who It's a miracle don't do

1:03:37

it watching flea bag we're

1:03:39

watching flea bag avert your eyes

1:03:41

avert your eyes the yeah

1:03:44

For people who aren't from LA,

1:03:46

there are just like a

1:03:48

next level billboard campaigns, like really

1:03:50

like award season, well designed, aggressive,

1:03:53

like there will be like,

1:03:55

you know, a billboard

1:03:57

with like things. Popping

1:03:59

of it. Oh my god the 9

1:04:01

-1 -1 billboard that's by LAX where

1:04:03

it has the people it has like

1:04:05

mannequins coming out of a 3d

1:04:08

roller coaster that show started like eight

1:04:10

years ago guys like I'm happy

1:04:12

it's still there, but like that's the

1:04:14

level of Dedication they have letting

1:04:16

it be like continued on another billboard

1:04:18

like across the street, right? Yeah,

1:04:20

I'm surprised more accidents don't happen over

1:04:22

there. They're very like I catching

1:04:24

in huge and sometimes not subtle in

1:04:26

the text department. You're just like

1:04:28

this. So what am I looking at

1:04:30

really? It's bright as hell.

1:04:32

If you've ever driven down sunset, guys, we

1:04:34

were playing Grand Theft Auto. Yes.

1:04:36

Obviously. Yes. And you have those like really

1:04:38

horny billboards in the main part. That's

1:04:40

it. It's exactly right. It's exactly that vibe.

1:04:42

Yeah. Well, I think the other thing

1:04:44

is like Angelino is like we we've just

1:04:46

we're just numb to them because they've

1:04:48

been around all the time. They

1:04:51

don't catch on blindness. Yeah, I don't

1:04:53

know bro. It's a fucking bunch of

1:04:55

bullshit on the street and I

1:04:57

don't give a fuck. I'm trying to

1:04:59

get to my job. Like fuck all

1:05:01

this. I definitely like feel that especially

1:05:03

about the barrier sunset where there's

1:05:05

like a where the rainbow lounges and

1:05:07

where all of those spots are because

1:05:09

there is a now basically a permanent

1:05:11

almost a block where Netflix will

1:05:13

always do the most insane adverts. So

1:05:16

whenever I'm over there for work, it's

1:05:18

like the stranger things like scary monster

1:05:20

and there's like smoke coming out of

1:05:22

it and when Millie Bobby Brown

1:05:24

was in a movie called damsel that

1:05:26

nobody watched there's like a giant Millie

1:05:28

Bobby Brown with the sword and it's

1:05:30

like guys it's just like a

1:05:32

photo art like is this where you're

1:05:34

spending our extra money every month like

1:05:36

I don't think you need it my

1:05:39

friends how about you just watch

1:05:41

just make people watch the thing you

1:05:43

know as well a lot of people

1:05:45

in the academy because it's the most

1:05:47

prestigious they are getting like Crazy

1:05:49

swag they are getting really beautiful for

1:05:51

your consideration DVD box sets that have

1:05:53

like every a 24 or neon movie

1:05:55

that was released that year And

1:05:57

then you just don't watch it like

1:05:59

come on man They're giving you physical

1:06:02

media like please just watch watch the

1:06:04

blood onto put them on a shelf

1:06:06

It's nice. Maybe one day streaming

1:06:08

will be over and you'll be wishing

1:06:10

that you had the Ari asked

1:06:12

a triple bill box set or whatever

1:06:14

they sent me But yeah, I mean

1:06:16

I think many people on the internet

1:06:18

were rightfully shocked about this that this

1:06:20

wasn't already like the only job you

1:06:22

had Are you do I mean? I

1:06:24

know like the logic would say well

1:06:26

This will only help voting become more

1:06:28

efficient the other part of me knows

1:06:30

like people with any shred of privilege

1:06:32

Will do anything that like according to

1:06:34

the way they want to do it

1:06:37

so I can also see other people

1:06:39

starting to fake like being like Oh,

1:06:41

yeah, I saw that I was saying

1:06:43

this before we started but like Honestly,

1:06:45

like do that then like the real

1:06:47

reason they at least take the effort

1:06:49

Here like the big reason in my

1:06:51

opinion just from like what I've seen

1:06:53

and the way this stuff is reported

1:06:55

on last year a lot of the

1:06:58

trade kind of anonymous voting pools that they

1:07:00

do where the voters say a bunch of

1:07:02

bitchy stuff and everyone reads it and is

1:07:04

like wow, why are you allowed to vote

1:07:06

in this. And a lot of them last

1:07:08

year multiple ones were people saying they

1:07:10

hadn't watched every movie. I didn't watch this

1:07:13

because I don't like it. I didn't watch

1:07:15

this because it has it. Oh, I didn't

1:07:17

watch. You know conclave because ray finds already

1:07:19

has an oscar i didn't watch you know

1:07:21

the brutalist because adrian brody already has an

1:07:23

oscar he'd actually only just been nominated and

1:07:25

then Right when and you saw what

1:07:27

happened so don't vote for him again, but

1:07:29

like Yeah, it's it's very funny that i

1:07:31

think they were too honest And i think

1:07:34

that everyone online and in the thing was

1:07:36

like wait a minute You're telling me like

1:07:38

the reason anora one is just because you

1:07:40

guys didn't watch the other movies like that

1:07:42

seems insane Did you even want to know

1:07:44

if you voted for it? Maybe not.

1:07:46

So I think this is a good idea.

1:07:48

I caught some of it. Yeah. I saw

1:07:50

a bit. I saw the bit where she's

1:07:53

like dancing in the boys' apartment. You know,

1:07:55

I just skipped that and then just everything

1:07:57

That was pretty tight. That trailer was fire.

1:07:59

The trailer also then fire. Exactly. That's

1:08:02

why I'm like, I'm like, just lie. Like, if

1:08:04

you don't want to do it, just lie. And that

1:08:06

you could have avoided all of this because I

1:08:08

have used multiple, and Joelle, I

1:08:10

know you've been through this

1:08:13

too, multiple badly positioned IP

1:08:15

streaming services where they want to take your

1:08:17

data as a view or as a journalist and

1:08:20

they'll add an app to your vocal TV

1:08:22

and then you stream through there this reminds me

1:08:24

of. that one South by Southwest did a

1:08:26

few years ago. And it was so janky.

1:08:28

It was just always full of glitches. It was

1:08:30

so hard to watch the movies. And I

1:08:32

do not believe that the Academy is going to

1:08:34

have a better working one. So I think

1:08:36

we're going to see a lot of complaints about

1:08:39

the app. And I did watch it and

1:08:41

it didn't say it would work and blah, blah,

1:08:43

blah, blah, blah. Is that they're doing it

1:08:45

through an app? There is an app. that basically

1:08:47

works like how our Netflix preview content works.

1:08:49

So they can see if you've watched the whole

1:08:51

movie. Academy, call Apple TV.

1:08:54

They have the best one. It's fluid.

1:08:56

There are never any issues. Whatever they're

1:08:58

doing, you do that too. So pay

1:09:00

for it. No, that's what like

1:09:02

for the Hollywood foreign press, they were given

1:09:04

Apple TV units that had like sort of

1:09:06

this proprietary software on it to be like,

1:09:08

all right, okay, you don't want to go

1:09:10

to the screen, like especially during the pandemic

1:09:12

and like the height of the lockdowns. They

1:09:14

weren't they weren't like physical media had kind

1:09:16

of cease and like okay just do everything

1:09:18

through this apple tv and watch it is

1:09:20

so simple is really the people in the

1:09:22

academy are gonna find a way to make

1:09:24

this a free speech issue. Oh, we shouldn't

1:09:26

have to do this. We shouldn't have to

1:09:28

watch the movie. Free speech. You're

1:09:30

violating my free speech. If I won't consider a

1:09:33

Democrat for president, and I always do. absolutely

1:09:35

do not have to be a member of the

1:09:37

Academy. You can go on with your life

1:09:39

and do something else. Exactly. Let's try. Last

1:09:41

year, I watched 500 movies that I

1:09:43

looked on my notebooks. Like, I could

1:09:45

do it. I'll watch them all. Let

1:09:47

me. Letterbox community has Oscar voters for

1:09:49

two years. Wow. Let's just see what

1:09:52

happens. Let's just what what be great.

1:09:54

That would be cool if they were

1:09:56

like, using Letterbox as like the minors

1:09:58

where they're like just trying to kind

1:10:00

of sculpt for talent. I

1:10:02

love that idea. Give them a check

1:10:04

mark. I would also say as

1:10:06

well like this, yeah, this speaks to

1:10:08

another problem, which is the struggle

1:10:10

between like the idea of like a

1:10:12

popular cinema and what the Oscars

1:10:14

celebrate. And I would say

1:10:16

I think that this could lead

1:10:18

to us having more blockbuster

1:10:20

accessible movies being recognized because I think

1:10:23

that for a lot of these Academy

1:10:25

members, especially the older ones who weren't

1:10:27

brought in in the last few years,

1:10:29

they would probably actually more enjoy watching

1:10:31

like an action blockbuster than they would

1:10:33

watching a lot of these movies, especially

1:10:35

if they haven't been watching them. So

1:10:37

I'm interested to see if that if

1:10:39

this kind of weirdly like opens a

1:10:41

door. And with the casting and stunts,

1:10:44

that makes a lot of sense. Exactly.

1:10:46

I wonder if they're if we'll also

1:10:48

see no more three hour long

1:10:50

movies. They're like fuck that's what I'm

1:10:52

saying I actually think suddenly 90

1:10:55

minute movies two hour long movies should

1:10:57

be the front burner for everything

1:10:59

this year especially with cinematography with stunt

1:11:01

work It could really be that

1:11:03

that movie I'm looking forward to the

1:11:05

package for stunt work You know

1:11:07

like the thing in the broadcast where

1:11:09

they show like how the best

1:11:11

stunts were done. I feel like that

1:11:13

could be really cool Did you

1:11:15

watch the Oscars last year? Yes.

1:11:18

Okay, so do you remember? Basically, the

1:11:21

they had a package like that that

1:11:23

had been part of the promotional kind

1:11:25

of push for the fall guy or

1:11:27

fall guy. I think it was called

1:11:29

the Ryan Gosling, Emily Blunt movie. And

1:11:31

basically, the entire aim of them making

1:11:33

that movie was to get A stunt

1:11:35

Oscar recognition. So they kind of did

1:11:37

a package and it was super super

1:11:39

cool And everyone was just like why

1:11:41

are we not already giving the award

1:11:44

like so many movies? So I think

1:11:46

that could be really sick Especially if

1:11:48

they get like, you know, you know,

1:11:50

Tom Cruise is gonna be trying to

1:11:52

get like that mission impossible shit on

1:11:54

there So who knows maybe Tom can

1:11:56

make this one shaped like me. Yeah,

1:11:58

he's gonna like parachute into the Oscars

1:12:00

or something like I'm here for it

1:12:02

like let the stunts roll Yeah, and

1:12:05

for casting I think they should have

1:12:07

to say who was also being considered.

1:12:10

Who the studio was trying to get

1:12:12

them to cast in the role when

1:12:14

they cast and when they like, actually

1:12:16

nailed the casting. Yeah. They're

1:12:18

just like, have the worst possible person

1:12:20

in the role. Like, do a

1:12:22

scene, be like, you see how bad

1:12:24

this shit could have been? Yep.

1:12:26

Anyways, Rosie, Joel, such a pleasure having

1:12:28

you both on the Daily Zeitgeist.

1:12:30

Rosie, where can people find you, follow

1:12:32

you, hear you, all that good

1:12:34

stuff? We, me and Joelle, do make

1:12:36

a very fun podcast with my

1:12:38

co -host Jason Concepcion and our incredible

1:12:40

other super producers, Abu, Aaron and Carmen,

1:12:43

and we are on... I heart radio four

1:12:45

times a week. So if you didn't

1:12:47

think you got enough of me yapping great

1:12:49

news, you can hear a lot more

1:12:51

yapping There it is really fun. It's every

1:12:53

Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday where we

1:12:55

do a news episode so you can listen

1:12:57

to that I am at rosie marks

1:12:59

marx on letterbox and Instagram and all those

1:13:01

other things But I don't really use

1:13:03

the other ones, but yeah, it was so

1:13:05

great to be on here. Thank you

1:13:07

so much for having us guys And is

1:13:09

there work a media that you've been

1:13:11

enjoying? Can be social

1:13:13

media or show I well I

1:13:16

have I am a perennial murder.

1:13:18

She wrote rewatcher as we mentioned,

1:13:20

but I have been Really enjoying

1:13:22

the JD bands killed the Pope

1:13:24

memes that's been like getting me

1:13:26

through like a definitely I had

1:13:29

a really one of the one

1:13:31

where it's like the Hieronymus post

1:13:33

like painting of the devil like

1:13:35

shaking hands with you know a

1:13:37

religious figure and then you have

1:13:39

the same image from the White

1:13:42

House pool of JD. I

1:13:44

love the, um, just killed at a

1:13:46

Pope. Like that's what JD stands for.

1:13:48

Big fan of all of that. So yeah, those,

1:13:50

those, those memes have been keeping me going. I'm,

1:13:52

I'm a meme lover. Just killed

1:13:54

it. Just killed at a Pope. That's

1:13:56

his new name. Just killed a dope. Amazing.

1:14:00

Joel, where can people find you?

1:14:02

Is there a working media you've been enjoying?

1:14:04

Yeah, I've been Joe Monique. You find

1:14:06

me all over the internet at Joe Monique.

1:14:09

That's J -O -E -L -L -E -M -O -N -I -Q -U

1:14:11

-E. I have two. One,

1:14:13

Larry David wrote a New York

1:14:15

Times satirical piece called My

1:14:17

Dinner With... sort of taking on

1:14:19

Bill Maher having dinner with

1:14:21

Trump. It is hysterical and delightful.

1:14:24

Shout out Larry David for being a real one.

1:14:26

He is a real one. It is so

1:14:28

great. And then just want

1:14:30

to highly encourage everyone to check

1:14:33

out Andorra. It is a, what

1:14:35

did Jason call it? Like how to

1:14:37

how to. How to build a resistance.

1:14:40

Like how to build a rebellion. Yeah. Yeah.

1:14:43

It's it's. Genuinely touching in

1:14:45

ways I could not have fathomed

1:14:47

and it is significantly better

1:14:49

than the first season, which I

1:14:51

thought was great. Like this

1:14:53

is truly to me. This is

1:14:55

the best season of television

1:14:57

since Watchmen. It's

1:15:00

pretty unbelievable and it's

1:15:02

definitely one of those shows

1:15:04

too. I like Just

1:15:06

timing -wise means that they couldn't have been

1:15:08

trying to predict stuff, but it feels

1:15:10

extremely prescient when you do watch it. It

1:15:12

absolutely feels like a letter to you

1:15:14

about getting your shit together right now. It's

1:15:16

like there's no time. There's no time

1:15:18

to get your shit together right now. It's

1:15:20

brilliant and beautiful. And it's truly, if

1:15:22

you look for your Star Wars diehard, like

1:15:24

I am, this really gets

1:15:26

to the heart of like what makes

1:15:28

Star Wars great. And yet it's elevated

1:15:30

to like a BBC masterclass level of

1:15:32

television. It's brilliant. I really enjoy it.

1:15:34

I'm trying to get everyone to watch

1:15:37

it. My insider pro advice is wait

1:15:39

till Friday when you can watch all

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episodes back to back. There's three episodes.

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You can watch them separately. It is

1:15:45

still structured like television, but it's so

1:15:47

much better when you're watching these like

1:15:49

a full movie. So those are my

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tips. Go check out Android. Damn.

1:15:53

That's uh that's coming from joel

1:15:55

money miles where can people find

1:15:57

you as their work immediate you've

1:15:59

been enjoying yeah everywhere they got

1:16:01

at symbols at miles of gray

1:16:03

the basketball pod is miles and

1:16:05

jack i'm at boosties the 90

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day fiance pod is called for

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20 day fiance check me out

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there a couple of Posts I

1:16:13

like from blue sky at Lauren

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dot rotating sandwiches.com posted work is

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giving us a Chick -fil -A breakfast

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buffet and a Ben and Jerry's

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ice cream social today and what

1:16:23

I'm calling the most successful political

1:16:25

both sizing of all time And

1:16:27

then at Kendra writes calm on

1:16:29

blue sky posted this video from

1:16:31

tick -tock of police harassing a

1:16:33

guy in Massachusetts clearly in Massachusetts

1:16:35

based on the person who is

1:16:38

Filming this the caption on the

1:16:40

video says I started a reverse

1:16:42

neighborhood watch program Basically, he's observing

1:16:44

the police and this interaction is

1:16:46

just it's just made all the

1:16:48

better because of this guy's very

1:16:50

distinct Massachusetts Boston accent It doesn't

1:16:52

look like anything you're allowed to

1:16:54

Oh, sorry. So in this video,

1:16:56

I should describe it. This is

1:16:58

an audio part. This is an

1:17:00

audio medium He's this guy's across

1:17:02

the street filming like three cops

1:17:04

hemming up some guy like outside

1:17:06

of a car and just stopping

1:17:08

him. We don't know the reason

1:17:10

why but again, this is where

1:17:12

the man starts yelling at the

1:17:14

cops to leave him alone. It

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doesn't look like anything. You're allowed to

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drive wherever you want. It's America. It's

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America. It's America. They're

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just racist. It's okay. They're just racist.

1:17:26

You're not allowed to drive around with

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them if you're a minority. Good

1:17:32

man. How you doing? You

1:17:34

guys still protecting pedophiles like Philly?

1:17:37

There you go. Have a

1:17:39

great day. Fuck you. That's

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community care, baby. That's what we're going

1:17:46

to be trying to do. And he said

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he was referencing, like in the video,

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a pop -up comes up about a lieutenant

1:17:52

from their police department that was charged with

1:17:54

child sex abuse. And then the guy

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says, why don't you go back to your

1:17:58

house? And he goes, yeah, fuck you. No,

1:18:01

why don't you go back?

1:18:03

Yeah, fuck you. you. Fuck you,

1:18:05

Pa. $1 .25, Pa. Well,

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told his willy reference. Yeah, yeah.

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The inshirt on Adam. It's all

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washed. Tweet I

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liked. Limp Britsket at

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Britty Migs tweeted, honey,

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mommy needs you to lock in.

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Lock in for mommy please. Lock

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in. Lock

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in. Lock in for mommy. You

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can find me on Twitter at Jack

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on blue sky at Jack OB, the

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that came out of nowhere.

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It was exciting Are we

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just starting the pot? That

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was a cold open this is I'm

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saying this is like the off the party

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that we talked about in today's episode we

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also link off to a song that

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we think you might enjoy. Hey, Miles, is

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there a song that you think people

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might enjoy? Yeah, that song that erently played

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is a banger. It's by the producer,

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Sango. That's called Ol' Carnaval. But that's that's

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not the song we're going to write

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out. But if you're interested, he put out

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one, a Brazilian one, like a

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like this. Oh, shit. was just a

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fun play. It was just a really fun

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play on the... There's nothing more humiliating

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than to get got like that when I

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really miss, like sincerely misunderstood what you

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joke, but the track I do want

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to go out on just an old

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love it. It's if you're enough look

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people need to get people need to

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get familiar with douchy We've got a

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Friday. Okay. Get persuasive. This is with

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