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Ray devices actually, like, I know you're tired
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of a to that we're just trying to explain how this had.
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he goes, Ferric Dana and all the
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whites on prints. That
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joke is a ten out of ten the. It
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doesn't work on now it's kind of works
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by. Oh, I breaking in saying.
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And bought a boy I've been I've been doing that I.
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mean they would that lot lately Where
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I hear you, setting? The picture
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part of it is also some of it's radio so
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right and because you'd like to reset for the eyes
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you so very much framed by.
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What I do like listening to see how you're writing
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has influenced where it works sometimes
1:43
where it doesn't. The current
1:45
and on topic that we talked about, like. Jimmy
1:47
Butler, we don't necessarily need
1:50
all of that. Maybe with the sport
1:52
accept that we do. would be if
1:54
would give some advice for because have.
1:56
Hot us leaning on a little bit much. His.
2:00
They try to just be little bit more judicious
2:02
with it. Like good if you were to introduce
2:04
me as panther fan. That and always
2:06
have to be scarred by twenty six
2:08
years of not of utility and
2:10
not making the posts. And
2:13
your between figures man's painter know he
2:15
is, that's why I'm trying to explain it to the
2:17
audience, oh they're not.
2:19
Getting annoyed with him that they're understanding
2:21
where it comes from and sometimes it's beautiful.
2:23
I don't know how to
2:25
capture the Jimmy Butler
2:27
story in
2:30
a way. that's that because
2:32
if you like from your sports, coverage.
2:35
Not the day to day stuff, but
2:37
your announcer's having to eat it.
2:40
This. Guy has beaten the respect
2:43
out of me if I am one of these doesn't
2:45
gas bags that gets to whatever
2:48
set the agenda on whatever the topics
2:50
are in sports said. Dan, anybody can come in and
2:52
out of this Patrick Beverley still on your television
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for the thirty cigarettes exit of hours,
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the mammal not live. If.
3:00
That's the place where the stories
3:02
are told to me the Celtics he'd
3:04
stuff they do like if you or don't know how
3:06
you'd want to talk about that game. But
3:09
the idea that tatum has to get past
3:11
Jimmy Butler and whatever you think
3:13
of their personality types.
3:16
Those. "Are two very good teams, but
3:18
we've done the hierarchy and we've been watching
3:21
long enough", the jayson Tatum took that team
3:23
from Jaylen Brown, but now he took
3:25
all of what. Was happening there are no it's at minus
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I carry it as far as this goes,
3:30
will get better and in that first and last night.
3:33
Then. Stories used he was telling his know,
3:35
even against this defense, will make
3:37
it look silly, will, will make all
3:39
these difficult shots and you start
3:41
to tell the. Story: Yes, the crowd him at half time,
3:43
and these are the stories that we tell it's what it's the
3:46
business that we're ready to sorry I. actually
3:48
like.
3:49
The writers have a you're applying to this self
3:51
exceed series because if. Awesome
3:54
wins and jayson Tatum.
3:56
Find way to get past the block
3:59
that was at the rear. The last
4:01
time they played at Eastern Conference finals, I
4:03
think that this is a growing rivalry
4:05
with in the M. B. A. that. That
4:08
cast aside, I guess it's because we're
4:10
still relatively in terms of Mb's history, history
4:12
a new kid on the block i don't understand Because
4:15
this is truly, I was guilty of doing this. Yesterday
4:18
on the show, are trying to get people hyped up for this series.
4:21
We have the best suit teams. The Twenty
4:23
First Century and this Conference. Miami's
4:26
been considerably better than Boss,
4:28
and in the twenty first century in
4:30
this conference I'd really like
4:32
the national media take him from us
4:34
and talking about it this way because.
4:37
There are a great stories here: Great
4:39
struggles, great cultural dynamics
4:42
that are the direct opposition of one another
4:44
and you could really build this up into
4:47
huge number. They don't
4:50
know how to do that without truce
4:52
are so be interesting to see what
4:54
today brings in the cupboards leading up
4:56
into game, to as can they build
4:58
semi butler up. The into this
5:00
mythic sorry. The know
5:02
how to give you game seven with the honest. The
5:05
know added to Seth Curry Games
5:07
health: "There are certain learn how to do John Murray
5:09
and games they were trying to make jayson Tatum
5:12
the draw here. The only do
5:14
with Jimmy Butler, because now, if you have to
5:16
feuding Sars, you tap into what
5:18
made the and be great in the eighties where they figured
5:20
it out.
5:21
The best numbers to guards in the
5:23
playoffs so far has been. When
5:26
the net's thing? Met
5:28
a historic Boston thing and
5:31
we were really ready to crown look at
5:33
eight am doing it to Durant's symbolically
5:35
between Durant's and Kyrie, there's
5:38
the passing of the torch. These.
5:41
Are league partnership stories that are being
5:43
told he has P&N and
5:45
TNT will help in the birthing of these stars
5:47
and these stories and in the first half,
5:49
Tatum looked unstoppable. And then he had
5:52
seven turnovers for the game and in half
5:54
that quickly strogatz that fast. It
5:56
goes from. Holy shit,
5:59
Jason Terry. He's. Here he's arrive,
6:01
he's star, he's doing it on the next stage
6:03
against Miami, he's gonna get over them and
6:05
then it gets harder in the second half, he's tired, he.
6:07
Had to go through Janice and it's bunch of turnovers
6:10
and you say, oh, look, they did this to try
6:12
young and James Harden as well defensively,
6:14
were there lot of? strips they're all of sudden that he wasn't
6:16
expected, there is general laziness.
6:19
And I see this is a frustrated consumer in
6:21
fan too.
6:23
Because I think he has been can
6:25
tell these stories when they're dedicated
6:27
to it. Better than any. Whether
6:30
it's a college game day? Voiced.
6:33
Hi. Read, that makes
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you feel things about Purdue
6:37
football headed into game against Ohio State's
6:40
that you didn't think possible to the point that
6:42
you're crying at the end of the game. The
6:44
point do you care about L traffic?
6:47
They have a way that for an aldi of
6:49
and yet what it centers for know the they are, they have ways
6:51
to do this and we see what their daytime
6:53
program"
6:55
They can build people up resources for me as
6:57
for the Panthers fan where I get frustrated
6:59
is. Oh, she's a mom. The
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major TV networks that have lead partnerships
7:04
decided. We're we're not Kosher the seem
7:06
on TV and when it comes time to
7:08
picking as team.
7:10
First pick: Where, yeah, let's go with the Rangers or
7:12
less interesting series, but it's New York
7:14
we can do that know. Then. Time
7:17
throughout the season, build up the story
7:19
lines are better at it than anybody get
7:21
people to care for, I really hope that they can do
7:23
that", would Jimmy Butler and. Miami, because
7:25
this is a very interesting team's, it's
7:28
humid, so different than anybody else amplified
7:30
that Zagat altercations and,
7:32
and man made of barbed wire
7:34
really make you can. Craft
7:36
Miami into modern day bad boy,
7:38
pistons team.
7:40
If you really put your story telling devices
7:42
to odds are that it's best possible use
7:44
I'm not saying you're wrong, but of we don't
7:46
know what's going on down here.
7:48
The new love the team and you watch it
7:50
every single night, how are they supposed
7:52
to know what the house go at odds like this
7:55
is hard to it's what is it is a we know,
7:57
but we also get super frustrated any time
7:59
the nash? Then the media
8:01
tries to talk about.
8:03
Miami, he basketball is just
8:05
be flatly don't watch for I was was.
8:08
Discovering. People on my timeline genuinely
8:11
wants in Miami play basketball for the first time
8:13
when I called you Chris Ryan earlier,
8:16
was laughing at the thing that sent
8:18
you guys. Of jail and Rose and Lord knows
8:20
I've made enough mistakes today, the know
8:22
how some of this stuff stumbles around
8:24
on television, but he was working
8:26
in a tight window and. He could not say
8:29
the name at bio and he stumbled
8:31
on it four times.
8:33
The never got it right and tried to sneak
8:35
it into somebody else is following point and
8:37
still got it wrong again and
8:39
I don't even say it too. To. Indict
8:41
him it's a difficult name, but it just suggested
8:44
to me all you just got here with some of this stuff
8:46
career talking about him and them for the first
8:48
time. Yeah, Jay Williams this morning was doing
8:50
or the heat the most underappreciated franchise
8:53
in all sports.
8:54
"The has a hidden, half of the enthusiasm
8:57
of the yeah, I know Mike Schur, the what real
8:59
hard is it out here pods from his ears,
9:01
but they are. They don't get nearly
9:03
enough credit or respect, might sure. Nationally,
9:06
to be able to get back to this mountain
9:08
top. With a third core.
9:11
During two decades in it, just.
9:14
You. Don't have comes for an expanded and be a
9:17
for what Miami is doing right now, I
9:19
am super annoying and I'd like to be taken
9:21
off the text string with you. And make sure
9:23
as you have this argument about whether my
9:25
name is getting enough respect are not getting enough
9:27
respect, endless might sure
9:29
as a coward who will not do watch. Party
9:32
with us for any of the Celtics games because
9:34
he gets too emotional is of fans and
9:36
I think he knows that a loud
9:38
and boisterous and belly.
9:42
Brown. belly Miami is going
9:44
to enjoy the fight of this,
9:46
fight that Miami his one in Boston has
9:48
no real reason to feel confident about
9:50
it's team because Boston has not. Been better
9:52
than this team for while, stats the passing
9:54
of the towards it's happening right now, that's why I
9:57
love the storytelling and it's that runs
9:59
through age. Leaving their job
10:01
never getting there. Brad
10:03
Stevens rising up.
10:06
Due to the spot that age was
10:08
in, but the fight goes back, the story
10:10
on this winning time is on H. B.
10:13
O. We're Living It. It's Pat
10:15
Riley, the godfather or the grandfather
10:18
with this franchise that he has fought
10:20
for fifty years.
10:23
I've been to I enjoyed my one night off from
10:25
playoff action Monday night, he'd
10:27
it was nice because it allowed me to catch up on winning
10:29
time. Then you see. The
10:32
sequel to winning Time: A Great supplemental
10:34
View is. I'm he
10:36
Boston Celtics. Because you see
10:38
all those storyline still playing out at the heart
10:40
of it, it's still Pat Riley still Boston,
10:43
it's still this sent him. That,
10:45
Riley. In a way.
10:47
Documentary: Fifty comedy Aren't
10:50
Soul It's Really amazingly done I Did
10:52
Really Love Watching It Just Because Of How
10:54
Much Larry Bird Looks Like Larry Bird How Much Karim
10:56
Looks Like: Karim. In the post, a gift
10:58
just for that I'm like Holy Shit,
11:01
this is that this is hard to replicate
11:03
that show is so good at times.
11:06
So. Like to you yet, time,
11:08
yes, a little of so awake or some other,
11:10
some of them to settle on stop is heavy handed,
11:13
some of the sports stuff fog you. Know
11:15
Coach, you know Coach Rallying Around
11:18
Coach Whatever, but in Pat Riley in this
11:20
truth, the truth sentiment in it as Jerry
11:22
West Threads to take to the. Supreme Court his
11:24
character. is boston
11:27
just understand the truth sentiment
11:29
in it there is point and purpose
11:31
for that scene with pat riley it's
11:33
fifty years old he's got terrible mustache
11:36
and he looks like carpenter's last surfer
11:38
who's last bomb who's us who's not good at
11:40
his job who's down on his luck i'm curious
11:42
of jury was only watched the first episode
11:45
because first think jerry west comes out better than anyone
11:48
Need I don't quit in any kid's stay away,
11:51
he's got the most fascinating character
11:53
it's it's.
11:54
The pitch perfect Ivs. Yatra Jason Clarke, a
11:57
yeah, that is great history to act to see him
11:59
and. The movie nails, and I think he has. There's
12:02
someone that is so unbalanced.
12:05
He also has some of the more redeeming
12:07
qualities in michelle
12:09
Because no one really in the showtime Lakers, you
12:11
got Zini that one's easy. Honestly
12:13
I think it's jury was because it's most transparent
12:15
relationship that you have you have
12:18
seems that it's just Spencer
12:20
he what is happening his ass off yes
12:22
bet that whole vettel.
12:24
see with him and karim
12:27
Pretty sure it didn't happen that way he he's,
12:29
but that was dramatic as all get out
12:31
and then.
12:32
Couple minutes later, if you're watching nonstop,
12:34
you have the scene of Karim and his wife and seven.
12:37
Cream is terrible that,
12:40
might have case of I think lower
12:42
on mckay says the fifth episode
12:44
The Karim Episode of Winning Time is
12:46
one of his favorite pieces of television
12:48
or art that he's ever been. involved
12:51
with by That story
12:53
being told now, strogatz
12:55
Pat Riley, his hated boss and for a long
12:57
time and here it is against his
13:00
Frankenstein monster. What
13:03
jayson Tatum has to crawl through is made
13:05
of metal.
13:06
It's a it's just it's spider monster made
13:08
of metal and it's.
13:10
it's gonna be difficult it gets harder needs
13:12
rounds it's going to get harder for the heat in this
13:15
round to because i believe it's gonna be gonna long series
13:17
don't believe there's a big difference between these two teams
13:19
either he gets the road direct
13:21
i read that john is defending
13:24
champs defending thinks this is gonna be easier and
13:26
it's not the steam is really good defensively
13:29
and jimmy butler
13:30
There's. A superstar and know what
13:32
not even Pat Riley saw this coming
13:34
with Jimmy Butler like I don't care what he tells
13:37
me know what saw this coming, but
13:39
if I'm a. Celtics and guess what I'm holding out
13:41
for if I'm holding out, you know any sort
13:43
of hope he is horford out Marcus
13:46
smart out, okay, we were still
13:48
up and. Have we lost by eleven
13:50
boys, we got a shot in the series, had
13:52
acted Tennessee coming with Jimmy Butler because
13:54
he handed them account and I said he swore that. He
13:56
wouldn't hand anybody north of thirty,
13:59
but my new.
14:00
into A couple weeks left before Thirtieth birthday
14:02
to rationalize what he did and then he gave him
14:04
a monster accents and after one
14:06
season he you have to give
14:08
him credit because. He was hard, my bad, the
14:11
had contracts, he got the superstar with
14:13
no cap room and he doubled down
14:15
on. After his sock was
14:17
on an alternate from Zach Lowe saying,
14:19
"And this was without pic above thirteen
14:22
in the draft, Zach Lowe saying maybe get
14:24
the bleakest position, the entire league
14:26
up from there" They've.
14:28
done what they've done with or not
14:30
and ability to trade whole lot, they got Jimmy
14:32
Butler because they did believe that this
14:35
when they also hit on ban they had. A tyler hero,
14:37
they had a but not gonna but nobody over
14:39
thirteen, and guess they,
14:41
but they believe that Jimmy Butler looks
14:43
to got I don't. think
14:46
the audience would be with me on this. What's
14:49
to come? The Jimmy Butler Story.
14:52
Then. I did you will all sort of underestimated
14:55
because I'm not alone here that are not many
14:57
people who could say it's had Jimmy
14:59
Butler, as yes, Hill dragged my team.
15:01
To the finals, forty one points a game of the has
15:03
to get forty one points game like which
15:06
that's not an end to at time and
15:09
twenty. Free throws like old wade
15:11
are you looking for top where guy
15:13
is Jimmy Butler and it turns into Michael
15:15
Jordan was sign on I'm not I'm
15:17
lucky to? For comp where Jimmy Butler
15:19
goes from with that does not
15:21
superstar to yes, he is superstar
15:24
overnight because to that's what I'm telling you with
15:26
Jordan's I don't. Know, man, this shit
15:28
is same so much in so many years,
15:30
but with Jordan remember the years
15:33
and years before he became glorious winners
15:35
to gods, of course where he. Was always
15:37
the guy that will not win that
15:40
is not enough not. good enough
15:42
heat it's not that he needs teammates it's that
15:44
sees not good enough the style
15:46
playwright the score and by your ability
15:48
to ability at row not the coaches he's selfish
15:51
any scoring too much that's not yet
15:53
been team basketball that's what michael
15:55
jordan My and over. What
15:57
do you mean? The Jimmy Butler.
16:00
The going to put up Jordan type numbers. The
16:02
play offs and is not going to be able to shoot
16:04
threes affects,
16:07
all shoot them better now but i mean
16:09
that game is not predicated on people
16:11
fearing him from three that he's doing it with free
16:13
throws and he's playing the game and side of a phone
16:16
booth like that do it's going to be the only
16:18
one playing in the pain Like that after
16:20
the Celtics took the game in the paint the first time.
16:23
Going to go get all these buckets in the pain,
16:25
cuz he's going go for Miami and just
16:27
go and go and go and stop anything
16:29
that resembles, Boston
16:31
getting back into the game because he'll just get two free
16:33
throws over here and just, and bring the game to a screeching
16:36
You're asking for cop. I don't think,
16:38
don't think there is one. mean that would never seen
16:40
this. A a guy who Stan Van Gundy said,
16:42
if he's your number one, your team's not very
16:45
good. If he's your number three, he's
16:47
really good. And now we're comparing
16:49
him to Michael Like
16:51
he's playing the numbers. Suggest. I'm not. comparing
16:53
him to Michael Jordan I'm just telling you that numerically
16:55
these playoff numbers even the best player in the playoffs
16:58
and I'm. Asking I'm asking
17:00
it's storytelling time, tell me all the
17:02
times that you have seen somebody to climb
17:04
over the heat.
17:06
And. And grab on the stardom
17:08
from us or after this many miles
17:11
on his body's two guys like it does, it's it
17:13
doesn't make sense for him to be better than.
17:15
He's ever been more dominant than he's ever been in
17:17
these playoffs at this age, with the mileage
17:19
that body has Matthew Dalla Vedova.
17:23
Delhi.
17:25
He got, like, sixty billion, our guard drugs
17:27
or bed and be a bottles the Jordan comparisons
17:30
are ridiculous, but we're just talking about quantifiable
17:32
numbers here.
17:33
If you look at the SATs, that's a class he's
17:35
in right now, but if you watch the games.
17:38
It also I think that's what's cool
17:40
about how Jimmy's getting these points.
17:42
Because you getting him in a throwback fashion?
17:45
That it's kind of like when you watch the NFL now
17:47
and you see team with good defense and running game
17:49
and really good running game and kind of interest
17:52
you because you're like, oh, I remember when
17:54
teams you should do that, any kind of rude for the
17:56
roofer a picture to go in the ninth
17:58
inning for the Colts.
18:00
I can't noting for something different did
18:02
like when the Cowboys had a couple and
18:04
I like the forty niners the runway softens,
18:06
find it refreshing. do find
18:08
out Jimmy Butler goes about getting his points in
18:11
what is now an unconventional fashion
18:13
compared to the other stars to be
18:15
an interesting watch.
18:17
Then you put on the pilots lisa up
18:20
some, I sat laboratory show,
18:23
the forty. niners do you find
18:25
their run first style refreshing
18:28
idea because i don't know they the show that
18:30
you're doing right now but by chris winstead
18:32
cody wins when you are where as happy
18:34
as all get out like did he say
18:37
that did like just said a like ordered doing
18:39
it to do thing not might what my
18:41
toys that it's i might have a charity strikers
18:44
rumbling emotional cauldron
18:46
of ours is the person that generally says
18:48
that free That'all all magana
18:51
ago.
18:52
The charity her own pop up after we've
18:54
got to lab. In a long couple
18:56
of days, Newham playoff hockey, you
18:58
want to try to get. They all get
19:00
out.
19:02
I phone numbers and be very happy go lucky, tough
19:04
for by golly, we're having it, you just, you
19:07
know, whether you have here in the world and let's let's.
19:09
Right to express his dismay and
19:11
are dated sense of a verbiage
19:14
by saying for crying out loud execs
19:16
and his, as what's
19:19
wrong with i said as all get out and he had his
19:21
responses who says that for crying out loud
19:23
death of a The
19:25
doctor, Jay, gotta the same thing.
19:28
I. Might have people said the same things about him
19:30
I might my so in winning time why does the casting
19:33
of doctor Jay seem older than Doctor Jay
19:35
don't mind exposing?
19:37
"Them is exaggerated they knocked it out
19:39
the park with casting and Doctor
19:41
Jay seems older than he does right now
19:43
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19:45
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19:48
what he was what business or he was supposed
19:50
to so far as richard pryor in richard movie
19:52
and i don't know if it ever happen That
19:55
was cool, they finally got the play the role there,
19:57
I also think they mail the casting
19:59
of live.
20:00
The bird and you know who opposes he's?
20:02
going to leave of who might be reports and in jail
20:04
or just larry bird and how they use them you know
20:06
we supposed to play larry bird who is
20:09
Under contract, I think to play Larry Bird and rebuild
20:11
but burn.
20:13
Yeah, and then that Netflix special
20:15
took off and he bowed out. I think Michael Shannon
20:18
was originally going to play that. What
20:20
John C Reilly is playing there,
20:22
became
20:26
John C, Reilly. Now, the point that I can't
20:28
imagine anybody else like do
20:32
find it funny because Spencer
20:34
Hayward they
20:35
have him look like Teddy Pendergrass. Exactly
20:38
sure.
20:40
He would look sexy in 1980. six
20:42
know that way,
20:44
to put it on a with yes he did put on the pole
20:47
added Spencer Heywood looks
20:49
sixty in nineteen
20:51
eighty so much younger than Doctor Jay that
20:53
yahya Young oil is casting
20:56
of. obviously with everybody else
20:58
speaking of guys who looks sixty The
21:01
daughter's as.
21:03
Am I the only one comforted by having
21:05
you don is that when they're down in the first half
21:08
and U. D. standing other side, basically
21:10
told you. It.
21:12
Indeed, bed the allergies blade, the feds
21:14
it easy that we talk to the guy's a were
21:16
only dad dad, let's go, let's go he best
21:18
mouth every time out. Something
21:21
about having that man on the sideline comforts
21:23
me. We are going to figure it out
21:25
we're gonna win this game, we're going to win
21:27
the series simply because you don
21:29
is has one.
21:30
Standing. There cheering the guys are six,
21:32
it's ridiculous, what do you mean, it's absurd,
21:35
what is a coach on vet's minimum salary
21:38
that's essentially be arranged for that they? We're to advise
21:40
Villiers, yeah, they owe him money
21:42
from or what was it and twenty ten
21:44
he took bunch of eat anything in bunch of discounts
21:47
is. They who they basically we're going to pay
21:49
you to be an assistant coach two times
21:51
when an assistant coach would make mods our yard
21:53
pj tucker comes off, he's hurt the. Put his
21:55
hurt and you down as has his hand on his shoulder
21:57
and I'm telling you that would heal.
22:00
They sound very odd yeah well,
22:03
but Pj Tucker said it was genie, the
22:06
genie in the locker room which I always assume that from
22:08
of Toradol thirty, seven. thirty
22:11
seven you in
22:13
any other team he'd be the you done this has
22:15
one yeah
22:18
thirty seven he's brooding in a way that scares
22:21
supposed to spoelstra who looks
22:23
Jimmy. Butler and reportedly for you when Horse
22:25
says I always knew you were crazy, it's
22:28
just stays away from Pj Tucker and
22:30
doesn't ask if help, please sit because
22:32
Pj Tucker either. According to Spoelstra
22:35
Growls or Snarls themselves
22:37
into don't believe themselves to Peter Drucker does
22:39
not miss games that evidently he's missed one
22:41
like eight Ms. career or something absurd, I've
22:43
said. This before it is, it damn same
22:45
Pj Tucker hasn't played his entire career down
22:47
here is only been here for a season, it is just such
22:50
perfect fit. For this team
22:52
you do would probably kick my ass I knew he would get my
22:54
as after this take. Then.
22:57
The kind of feels like you, these been this
22:59
version. Our longer than
23:01
he was actually like on the court. Kicking!
23:03
Ass winning tp mobile Miami,
23:06
this is absolutely a funny bridge
23:08
transition to he has been an assistant
23:10
coach in uniform that you need
23:12
for the moment: the Jimmy Butler and Spoelstra.
23:14
Going at it and supposed to realize wait
23:16
is this dude would actually took my ass
23:18
and then where are we were dealing with the spree well
23:21
stuff like because we're both? And raids
23:23
I didn't have you done as has one here to pull
23:25
him off a month, but he always needs to be in
23:27
uniform like Ian of you daughter's decides
23:29
to. Coach, he needs coach in uniform.
23:31
The downside: There's like some weird minus
23:33
answering a better, some weird minds of it's happening
23:36
where it.
23:37
When we talk about you do legacy, as can be really
23:39
hard for us to separate. This version
23:42
of you, D.
23:43
Every two weeks. And, you know, I like to watch Game
23:45
6 against the Hornets STP way to go off every
23:55
time I i watch, D-Wade absolutely
23:57
stick it in purple shirt. Guy who has never been
23:59
seen or
24:00
That. FSF hundred and heard from him ever again
24:02
wait ended him Yep it's,
24:04
a good on his house on the court during those crusoe
24:06
minutes as seat or trying to. Fight
24:09
off elimination, and
24:11
I'm pretty sure that was weird back then, July
24:14
surprised so here for those twenty,
24:16
seven to come on man
24:19
like you see is the. Leading rebounder
24:21
in franchise, history undrafted
24:24
and even as love
24:26
it as symbol even as mean
24:28
has told us that there was verb that one
24:30
point on how. To play defense in the league,
24:32
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24:35
lum this as leader that guy
24:37
over there to sue corner jumpers if he wants
24:39
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24:41
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24:43
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24:45
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24:48
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24:50
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24:52
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24:54
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that we're going to see go down
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segments are there is. bar
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show with this to that
28:16
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as you for minister would be fourteen
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minutes and five years or something right
28:23
it would be it would be five years
28:25
but, he. Says he does it needs of was
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mean said not playing is better than implying
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great job when you think about
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it because
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Don't you love the idea that Pat Riley
28:57
can come to Donna Size, Le Monde
28:59
drafted former fat kid out
29:01
of Florida? Than
29:03
just ask him.
29:05
Hey, where did the thing with Spoelstra
29:08
and Jimmy Butler? What really
29:10
happened there? What? Her as someone
29:12
who's boss codes and a player
29:14
and your the miller like wouldn't do you explain it
29:16
to me where are we on the situation
29:18
where everyone wants to? Kill each other to
29:20
tell would be honest thing that we're like, we what we need
29:23
to address your feet or so confusing because
29:25
you look at Judy's contribution and
29:27
you could. Point to an end and make the argument that's
29:29
exactly why.
29:31
You don't have the G League or on the to a contract
29:33
because of what he brings to the table. Yeah.
29:36
Vincent a max through steam up for twenty
29:38
seven points in the second half and he can't
29:40
help but wonder if someone else was in that
29:42
role. Might. They be in future
29:44
all and be contributor to say when Highsmith
29:47
may be future, all sorry, just given
29:49
how this for into balance of of.
29:51
Your yeah, I'm wrong you're going to get
29:53
your ass kicked, though, because you just said that it's not
29:55
you wanna do you want random dealing spot
29:58
for position. That seat called.
30:00
The symbolic like us like you
30:02
done is has I'm represents everything that they want
30:04
as the bridge between a where
30:06
Jimmy Butler never exposed role almost
30:08
come to blow what I'm saying is that the heat.
30:11
confusingly enough, provide the argument
30:13
for both sides. Because. Nobody
30:15
does absolutely land something, and if this
30:18
team does when the Eastern Conference championship
30:20
and we continue building the narrative around
30:22
that him, he spoke, fights who was in the middle.
30:24
Of it, you don as on who
30:26
was backing up his coached "You Don" is has
30:28
some also deep vincent
30:30
towards the Celtics he was a game
30:32
he two years ago. Because the U. D. the
30:34
max throughs was going agile
30:37
and be last round. They.
30:39
Know how to develop, I hear his with,
30:41
would love to see some the next
30:43
version, who's the next Caleb Martin who's
30:45
the next game, Vincent, who's next Max
30:48
Truths We? Have talked a lot
30:50
about how would the fandom
30:52
of Miami ends was made
30:54
by the basketball fight of
30:56
Le Bron Dwayne and Boss against
30:59
everybody.
31:01
I'm asking everybody who's listening to me
31:03
how I'm supposed to frame at story
31:05
telling time.
31:09
After the last dance that my.
31:11
Ryan, proclaim to the one of the height
31:13
of the pandemic gunvor five as we celebrated
31:16
a the "the sneaker commercial" in the T. V.
31:18
partner gathering together still got.
31:21
I've written down in front of it is it was under five,
31:23
you would undermine know that I like a king,
31:26
Christmas or David Guetta.
31:29
Got an idea when I agree on the
31:31
radio amateurs. Then. Jimmy
31:35
Butler. This
31:38
whole winner.
31:39
Multiple hubs where my favorite part of the coin, yeah.
31:44
You tell me?
31:45
How I'm supposed to frame the stories if
31:47
the numbers keep being Michael Jordan
31:50
ask when all he's doing
31:52
is shoving in my face and in everyone's
31:54
face you underestimated that I could
31:57
be capable of this, you continue to be surprised
31:59
every time.
32:00
Put. Up forty one points, but
32:02
this is who I am now, if we're in the middle
32:04
of the cruelest times to guts and how we analyze
32:06
this everybody's got a voice. And it's always about
32:08
where do I blame, where do blame word blame and
32:10
both says we'll see state I'm in a second here?
32:14
Jimmy Butler, eat his face, will go
32:16
after tatum through all your butler menacing,
32:18
are we going to as always winner
32:20
guy? You will buy some of the ugly stuff
32:22
that Michael Jordan spit at you in the hall of fame
32:24
speeds like still bitter so angry.
32:27
I'm asking you how my supposed to frame the stories
32:29
of this guy comes in and ones that the neck of the sex
32:31
seven that he needs to wins to knock out a golden
32:34
state team that I don't think you to be.
32:36
When? It comes to the storytelling time of
32:38
who gets to win history, to guards and who gets
32:40
the next winning times and who gets
32:42
the next last dance are we watching?
32:45
The asshole as competitor take
32:47
our respect, one angry birds to the times
32:49
that even causes sports with the metal machine
32:51
that is grandfathered in by Pat
32:53
Riley was lost.
32:56
You question cause you're asking this on the positive?
32:59
On the flip side.
33:01
The Heat lose in these conference finals
33:03
and Jimmy Butler has a bad for.
33:06
Would? We even make the losing about
33:08
him because every playoff series
33:10
so far as been about burying
33:12
the loser right Kevin Duran in the first
33:14
round and Chris Paul in Phoenix
33:17
like. We are to bury now hard
33:19
and we buried Jimmy Butler for not being
33:21
able to live up to expect they will be nodes
33:23
are the maybe crowning tatum Italy's
33:25
with A. Rare Tyler is in the conference finals
33:28
right when I will be a crowning of Zeus
33:30
and Tatum, and if Butler loses in the finals
33:32
it will be Stephen Curry, it will. Be the Warriors
33:34
or Crowning of Lucas, that's in some ways, it's
33:37
own bigger indication of, like, how much
33:39
Jimmy Butler has to go to get that
33:41
superstar respect.
33:43
That. Even his losing, it is
33:45
not really this perilous he's never won a title
33:47
spill, never win title like he doesn't even
33:49
entered this the spore know white noise
33:51
down. That respects no one doubts
33:54
after he dragged that seem to the final
33:56
that Jimmy Butler's made of
33:58
whatever championship metal it. Is
34:00
that you need to be made up? He
34:02
earned it. You've got played le bron
34:04
in bubble and whether you'd all.
34:07
Russo on right now we there yet again
34:09
that Russo was on as long as a child.
34:12
dog and eleven i am in am
34:14
Just took a sip from Mimosa tighter
34:16
ending, said easier holding with his thumb,
34:18
"know who I don't know how that's possible", Stephen
34:20
said, he received a text from Jimmy
34:22
Butler after the game saying "You slept on the" I
34:25
love the Jimmy's do in that love it.
34:28
Yeah. Mad Dog looks great, he does,
34:30
I mean fresh, guess he really does
34:32
look fresher on vacation or Chris, can
34:34
you go into the other room, please and do a live?
34:37
Report here on A billy
34:39
is not in today'a on what is happening
34:41
on first take stephen a smith is going to join
34:43
us here at some point and so too
34:45
is judd apatow at some point
34:47
today then you're asking you how write this story
34:50
and i don't know you get first crack
34:52
at it because this story has Been been written we've
34:54
never seen anything like that well but be initiated
34:56
oh and finish have some finish at all he has to finish
34:58
it think it becomes a pat Riley, sorry.
35:01
With anybody, my'a as much more goal, Jimmy
35:03
Butler's right organization story has
35:05
a damn self out of the death blow
35:07
of Le Bron, leaving him winning third title with
35:09
third different new worry about Jimmy Them.
35:11
It. Does, like my, you're right, what you're saying
35:14
is exactly rioting ahead of ourselves by the
35:16
way that belongs here, I know what of the eighty
35:18
knots, the steam off and then? It's Golden State
35:20
Nags in it has to be about gym in
35:22
the our Mike that began
35:24
here with you talking about
35:27
the rider stuff that do that is annoying.
35:30
"We're living in the time that we will tell
35:33
as the history in these battles wherever
35:35
it is that you get emotionally tied to this",
35:37
cried We do the silliness,
35:39
the takes you away for a couple of weeks and an insane
35:42
American, the pandemic, and let you enjoy
35:44
something and feel good. We're
35:46
telling these stories now and the environment
35:49
in which they're told to God's is cruel or
35:51
than it has ever been, it's harder it's about blame,
35:53
it's an it's not about credit.
35:55
If Jimmy Butler goes and grabs, the credit is
35:57
too early for all of that. It is.
36:00
Maybe can't do it it's hard to do
36:02
and maybe injuries car cause than
36:04
and doesn't mean anything al Horford was I'm in Boston
36:06
beads Jimmy Butler, that's my point in any
36:08
of it. I'm. Not overreacting
36:10
to one game I'm telling you this dude is
36:12
already disproven anything I thought
36:15
he was, he does not have to do anything with me anymore,
36:17
I'm assuming with the. Audience: He doesn't have to do anything
36:19
for your like yep, that that's good enough, yes,
36:22
he's great player and dub and he
36:24
earns his money and, and
36:26
furthermore, don't totally. Understand how
36:28
does it at this age with how much basketball is turns
36:30
like you've gotta respect it everybody stands disrupt
36:33
the sport have to be like yes, genuflect that man's
36:35
about. S indisputable,
36:38
What? Are we going to enjoy it because we're busy
36:40
counting the younger Sir Jimmy Butler's not going to get to
36:42
be one of the younger stars, it's gonna be a good?
36:44
Ball Luca's tatum jar like
36:46
the new guys covered for Duran and Le Bron
36:49
it's quite letters often of him in the in
36:51
the shadows that his body. Hold
36:53
this his younger body for I couldn't hold
36:56
this Jimmy Butler, continue some zip it
36:58
all. It. Doesn't make sense what you're
37:00
watching physically spit this person
37:02
could do Le Bron things of strengths when he's
37:04
not that size that is that the
37:06
strength of that man must be. On Holy
37:09
Light, incredible about beyond where James Harden,
37:11
strength is the strength of physical strength
37:13
of that men and that sports to be like I'm
37:15
going to will all of this. Physic
37:18
Lakes, even though I'm undersized for
37:20
what it is that I'm going into.
37:22
Are? We gonna enjoy it or the country
37:24
at large will not we will, of course,
37:26
down here in Miami, but even we don't know
37:28
how to explain this dan, but yeah
37:30
we're. Going to enjoy the how on and that we were wrong to
37:32
by the way we do, you think Jimmy Butler could
37:35
do this like Stephen I'm not alone,
37:37
Russo, not alone. The country's not
37:39
alone.
37:40
We down here in Miami never been
37:42
on my mother was a bubble, know that it's
37:44
very real thing if he rises
37:46
up with the defiance of. Nobody
37:49
thought I could do this. Because
37:52
nobody did and to be.
37:54
They have legitimate credence to that
37:56
because everybody does no one believed in
37:58
me. And every. Like what the hell
38:01
are you talking about Le Bron you're on the cover of as
38:03
I when you're in high school everybody believed he could
38:05
do this as the Jimmy it's
38:07
true? Nobody. Believed in
38:09
entire offense with calorie out,
38:11
no natural point guard, drink my shirts
38:13
with no natural point guards Jimmy Butler
38:16
is running the office, everything's
38:18
gone through to me want him. Touching the both like
38:20
Dallas's with luca like the Le Bron
38:23
teams of olds, everything needs to go
38:25
through Jimmy Butler and no one
38:27
had that team that had to do that.
38:29
Being taping to go. No, but. Nobody
38:32
it. Legitimately. The
38:34
believe it. Nobody believed in it. He
38:37
can actually will the here to be rooted. Yeah,
38:41
gotta think in their heart of hearts, is there even surprised
38:43
by this how he has five forty
38:45
point games and groceries and always
38:47
to away from? Dwyane Wade franchise
38:50
record. Just in the post
38:52
is on loan.
38:53
It's Bonkers, that's what I'm saying not even
38:55
the heat thought in their wild is it really
38:58
way to be this in Dwayne Wade kind of
39:00
tell the he go, this is your guy he didn't they be
39:02
Dwyane Wade's the Arab neighbors.
39:04
Life for in Utah.
39:07
That was a reason the Jimmy Butler or
39:09
Enjoy Wade said these guys are about what you're
39:11
about these guys will make the
39:13
machine around. What?
39:15
You believe you are Jimmy Butler keeps giving
39:17
voice to God's to they let me be who
39:19
I am here and in the undercurrent of that
39:22
is they let me be an. Asshole Strogatz,
39:24
like, was long as being an ass all comes along
39:26
with wedding and him playing at this level their farm
39:28
with it like we know Riley Stan, I'm wondering
39:31
because. You know, Riley very, very well.
39:34
Those. You love this team in a way that home never
39:36
love the Le Bron teams like this is, this
39:38
is rising tide seems like all your
39:40
thought I was done. Here, here's a bunch, Ragtag
39:43
guys, I have a starting backcourt,
39:45
game Vincent Max Druze and
39:47
we're on the verge of making it to the M. B. A finals
39:49
like. He prefers this team this path
39:51
or aims to dance, he did it
39:54
with Duncan Robinson gallons of the
39:56
finals as well, Pat Riley, it can't
39:58
be disputed right, I mean the. Job or and.
40:00
Jackson, out of their Phil Jackson, wasn't build forty
40:02
still advising with Lakers. Phil
40:05
Jackson, the. It didn't work
40:07
in want to turn his life over. The
40:10
stupidity in a way that is soaked in Boston.
40:13
And. Riley.
40:15
The nearing eighty years old. Nearing.
40:18
Eighty years old looks great and
40:21
that place is built in his likeness
40:23
with his people, all of whom have learned in
40:25
that brainwashed called for thirty years
40:27
because they've all been. There that why are they do and flashbacks
40:30
with Adrian Brodie, his character when
40:32
he's looking in the mirror or a flash forward now
40:34
that his father, I think they. Would do
40:36
it tapping into the father stuff that they have any have
40:39
rallied Father stuff is deep so much
40:41
meat on that bone they haven't gone to add,
40:43
but it also. resembles Pat Riley
40:45
in the future, Roy thought it was a flash forward
40:47
either was flashback to his death.
40:49
They're Mike is right, this story is going
40:52
to be about if they finish it off, it's
40:54
going to be about Riley and I am begging
40:56
you begging you to make it about
40:58
jimmy butler i don't know how you doing
41:00
That. You're great of what you do, but it has to be about
41:02
him, he buys hours us, building the narrative I'm
41:04
great at what I do and Prince he says like
41:06
I. Gotta get this, what might
41:09
is just said if these are the things these
41:11
are the reasons that love all of this
41:13
for those of you think I'm the or nader. And always said
41:15
off to the side on the motion of sports, that's
41:17
the it's this stuff that moves
41:19
you when it's so.
41:21
When you can watch for people
41:24
that you care about in the things that they
41:26
built in the things they believe and because
41:28
this has been sick, that. In the
41:30
middle of us becoming what we became
41:32
in Miami, that was the only sterling
41:34
sports thing we had this thing
41:37
that shines by the bay that makes
41:39
cool shit no matter whether here's the
41:41
writer against. The car listening,
41:43
my now dance being a writer.
41:46
It's cool to go to store it goes
41:48
up being a writer on going,
41:51
to, come
41:53
on come on we have ah nevermind
41:55
style yeah cool excesses
41:57
as cool bro we increase winning
41:59
mm
42:00
The mission okay I'll go to Chris wedding
42:02
him in a second they're talking
42:04
about what's at stake for spouse I'm homicide
42:07
are now. spotlight
42:09
another you'd say you'd guys know
42:11
you guys know more than most that
42:14
miami has never do it doesn't ever get to
42:16
matter like this in sports we've been bad sports
42:18
for long time we have to play class
42:20
clowns at least in part because the sports seven any
42:22
and been any good And there.
42:25
When you still get excited, Mike, when the national
42:27
media, it comes to town when you.
42:29
I. Do because they finally get to watch her team and maybe they get
42:31
to learn a little something right during their time
42:34
down here and we do parade the gas bags.
42:36
Because up until now, no one's really talked about I'm
42:38
little trickier with us know,
42:40
let's go out to Chris wedding him in the other room,
42:42
I see everyone is very. animated Their Stephen
42:44
A. Smith is there's a Stephen A. Smith, as
42:46
they said, will join us later in
42:48
the show he is in Miami, he was wearing white
42:51
jacket. Yesterday and he was mo
42:53
he does and series of really.
42:56
does love it and in miami or
42:58
whittingham what's going on going the kitchen please
43:00
give us alive report but i can tell your
43:02
dad having attended the heat game yesterday
43:05
that stephen that smith was absolutely
43:08
holding court but that's not what we're here to talk
43:10
about it here to talk about the debate that is present
43:12
right now on first taken that is
43:14
what is what stake for erik spoelstra
43:17
what is this place an mba history
43:19
having not won a championship without
43:22
lebron james christopher
43:24
mad dog russo starts the argument by saying
43:27
he wouldn't consider him top
43:29
fifteen coach of all the time
43:32
fifteen ban despite his multiple
43:34
championships he listed the fact
43:37
that the miami heat have not won championship
43:39
without lebron james under erik
43:41
spoelstra and also
43:43
That. The Miami Heat should have one for
43:46
while abroad was here, Pharaoh's embarrassments:
43:48
"I get to Dallas Mavericks all the while Stephen A.
43:50
Smith was interrupting say, "Oh,
43:53
my gosh this is" ridiculous you know,
43:55
I thought it was ridiculous because, and
43:57
out in the middle of, he called the Mr Ireland
43:59
having them.
44:00
From? Vacation for Huddle up a list, it
44:02
off all the players as good played
44:04
for Phil Jackson's, that played
44:06
for Pat Riley, he said, and I quote
44:08
Bob McAdoo for. "Crying out loud
44:11
enough, of Michael Cooper who
44:13
dislike took the opportunity lists all these baseless,
44:15
these also then went on suits he went right",
44:17
word heard Sir Christopher Magda. Route Russo
44:19
Speed talked about "Read our backs
44:21
and all the players", the said, he said and said quote
44:24
have what second of rest of the crew of
44:26
hot i hate him right back
44:29
where you are hundred over when saw
44:31
and soul food reward we would suck raccoon
44:33
with you are raccoon little bit later in the show
44:37
do know mike as we continue
44:39
employing to get more annoying not less
44:41
and less annoying as these
44:43
teams hopefully make deeper runs a
44:45
again want to put the audience with you might
44:48
In the shower as you tried to scrub
44:50
yesterday off of you and you've got is your
44:52
I phone wet as you are lights
44:55
really hard to tax when you're in the shower, my
44:57
legacy me sour man I'm
44:59
trying to say how about this and it comes out humbug
45:02
just have to.
45:04
Talked attack because what did that you heard the shower going on
45:06
I've ever tried to call it does all the? Miami
45:09
fans have tried to call into Boss radio
45:11
and then they knew going in realize what's cool I want because.
45:14
i want to infect one of these shows it's been
45:16
a long time i wanted to details want you
45:18
to give me where and what
45:20
you listen to after my me he'd
45:22
victories
45:24
Over. Boston, so that our listeners
45:26
might be able to get in there, are
45:28
in a phony Boston accent and
45:30
make some sort of complaints or make some sort of
45:32
jokes. I love listening to it and
45:34
just wait around for them to go to college because
45:37
the hosts are irrational enough as it is.
45:39
Then one of the hosts said, entering the series,
45:42
"I thought Jaylen Brown was the second best
45:44
player in it already conceding that, of
45:46
course, Jason Tatum is the best" The
45:48
now I'm ready to bump up to me to second.
45:51
After what I saw but then they gotta they.
45:54
gotta willing to organize my
45:56
are i am plymouth your eyes off
45:58
when god jaylen brown
46:00
Brown. Who you kind of note of fear, but
46:02
I think most other right when he says, said
46:04
terrifying as he gets aids or first
46:06
quarter points immense, it's finished
46:08
the game. With their team and you're like don't know how that
46:10
happened exactly, know he's a good second
46:13
player, but Tatum took that team from.
46:15
The any in Plymouth, what are you guys? We
46:18
really miss smart, we got it's someone's got club
46:21
tyler with Saddam out from under his knees,
46:23
you gotta go as high, yeah, make it difficult for
46:25
dial at suitable. Gaming.
46:29
Help them in game and add, get good at
46:31
it and Marcus Smart as added the body
46:33
up tall hero and he killed
46:35
as many killed us, you got married. At the signed
46:37
up and listen to other injure him yet, Marcus
46:39
Smart beads and I got make them sick about his land.
46:42
Did anyone call and blasting of all the?
46:45
The have to, get a medal
46:47
I wish I'd rather they didn't like a straight
46:49
shot as give up five overs myself
46:52
it's about as and my that's my favorite part about
46:54
the boss and experience. as
46:56
after be as the host how you doing
46:59
the pleasantries we always had rolled know pleasantries
47:01
but then the hosts asks know south
47:03
pacific salim lynn how
47:05
are you doing
47:07
May. Want to, I was a tough game evolves,
47:09
got laid off of ah ha more
47:13
you spend extra time and they were
47:15
is either this is a. Meditative
47:18
time for you, this is the it's premise: Miles,
47:20
this is your end of the night scrubbing, you
47:22
are ready to go to bed, refresh with smile
47:24
and where they. Even though the Panthers broke your
47:26
heart whistling it was, I was so
47:28
happy that the my me he'd saved me a
47:31
solid nightcap I rested easy for
47:33
the four hours of. Sleep that go.
47:36
You have to help me build content
47:39
around listening to this
47:41
how you get call which were often,.
47:45
you should be playing
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