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ah i do want to that we have more pressing
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matters i want to find out
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to god how it is that metal
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our media can correctly honor hang
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goldberg today i want to make the bet
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in his honor that to add that donate
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a lot of money to whatever it is the charity
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of his family's choices there's a great
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bad right now that my could say no
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to add a sinner and i think my can
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at my plus wants one is now plus
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one thirty five down to said said
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is that as a novelist
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admire al bananas that is of a price
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third
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that is down to set already sees
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a slight favorite it's an honor
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of hang go broke when i am putting a
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degenerate oh no no it's obvious july
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the underdog needs to be a gulfstream
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or something does it not are there bow
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or down on doing it through a book there
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i go any red blooded american male words
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to god's you know this what is always
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a horse running somewhere dan but what
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is put it on the
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polls dear might lead the charge
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of this of this a horse money somewhere
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day and yes or no i honored
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at a gullberg by going to gulfstream
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racetrack this weekend
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then i won the
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war horse beds this weekend one
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of which i did there is a race happening in
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canada it was literally just
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of the next one that was on in the simulcasts
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center and i went up to the kiosk
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i pulled up googles random number
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generator between one and eleven
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and i picked a number and that horse went
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off at twenty three to one and one
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it was an unbelievable at a at the rate in
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a season ago
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, it a shot shot
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it as it whittingham you were like
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you were roaring you are down the stretch
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were yelling a television jealous you're
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in your twenties and you are an old fashioned
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as a younger version they're my twenty they're as
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twenty shouting match where
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you waving a program against you hip
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and stuff matthew
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my hand i rolled up or a smack you
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know my i want as i can be turned
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by me a horse that properly honors
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this man the name of a horse that we
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can put a bet on please help
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me figure out how to do this in a way that actually
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doesn't disrespect him i think mike
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is in a joke image and plus one twenty
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five this is there he said i'm more
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snot a horse he is offered
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a fill in had horse he
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takes to god's i don't think i'd
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heard it but i think i might agree with him
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it was regarding did you see struggles
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you have any information about what happened
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with brian when horse
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last week
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i know he projected some sort
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of big schrader i in
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the once the free agency perry you know
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band and know the store you're bluffing
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right now do you know the story or i know
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the zags i don't know all the details
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but i know he was very popular and social
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media was very interesting segment area
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pepper spray winners
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had as wondering what was going on
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while not giving us any information as to
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what may or may not be going on so
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he had the world's is that this fingertips
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and whenever someone jesse signal now
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what's going on but i'm not going to tell you what's
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going on i just want you to pay attention
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because something is going on below
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world as
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i agree see what you think he can tell us
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all going on
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how are you implying he didn't know was going
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on
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that what i'm implying why
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would someone who spoke
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very clear outline
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around
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the big news l is gonna happen
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not be able to just come out and say
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this big news is about to happen
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because he was urging his bed
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hedging his bets i mean
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who had his bats in the news breaking business
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we see where the whole weekend was dominated
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by kyrie for russell westbrook
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that's and lakers and whether
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happens or not is anyone's guess
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but there was no shortage of people out
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there the tell you that these talks
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were happening so in
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a deal that was a little bit under the radar
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right wasn't really talks about the
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for app that and bride winners clearly
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exhibited the behavior somebody
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who knows something is gonna happen what
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he wouldn't come out
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and just say it why
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would why when why would bright when
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a reporter up a big time news breaker
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be sitting on the story of
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the off season thus far
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then yet they read a certain
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quoi and not even be able to say
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these suicides are talking about
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one
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in want to betray source
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the no source betrayal allowed to source
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know that he got a from him
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maybe use are going to let someone else isn't
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that is that revealing other sources why
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would that have why would he spm
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employ someone very
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good as his job do
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not kill us
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what was about to happen
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she got i'm so lost right
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now for years ago i did over dog and about
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know so that's not a sword you know
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like all known as the we covered really
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either i mean we already covered
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this and the reason he totally
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ignorant on what's happening arizona blood why
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we're was too gung know the stories feel
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as george take though is
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that in those two minutes all he won
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first take i think that's a the most
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first say
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the it's been out for really long time right
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it was incredible for say that
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works and first take
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what you are really what's the name of the
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the the ship of theseus rise
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of you take a bunch of planks
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of wood and replace them with new place of
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would on ships at the end of the
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the exercise when every plank has been replaced
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is a silver sympathies better
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yet if we took the planks of wood the we're place in both
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a new ship over here is that the ship of theseus
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that's what we do with first take a by take every
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by the marlies and i'd take a seat at a
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at a big mad dog at a o
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jj redick going to take of all that are replaceable
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was still first day better
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yet if we take it build it over here avast
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put skip bayless other that still thursday
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get outta here or the first take
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second take maybe
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third third take that as little as thirty
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the only contention is it's the best moment
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in the history of first take but it was first
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taken me said might yield
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or take the item day we got there with
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where you are on it but billie as saying that
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never before in the history of first dates
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non information given that was two and two and minutes
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captivating captivating were information
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was captivated a nation the
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world the plane indisputable it's
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it's the new things out was real him
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and you're gonna get policy that
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he could as good as a result he
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could have pointed at the sky until the middle
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of august and i would still be staring at that
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video try to find out what susan
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the never game i'd given michelle just with
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him asking questions open ended questions
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with no answers
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the only there was a podcast in which they were and
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be a base conspiracy theories they were
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hatched and then a broken down
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by of experience panel
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of experts
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the i get it i get it will ease of people like
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elvis right living elvis is the king
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rock and roll again and man
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what are you getting had a mean why did brian
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when horse talk to as the way that he did
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on third take
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is asking questions my aren't
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can either that you are you aren't can i ask you some questions
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and if you don't want don't actually weight and in a ordered
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happens the
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i use it because
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of the culture of fear around
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the he has been reporting that has
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conflicting reports sometimes reports top
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of my information sources as
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the reporting has to all be vetted by
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and come through loads and loads has relationships
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it must be protected and everyone's over
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there knows that whoa doesn't charge demeanor
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has and saying that when horse can't say what
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when knows because it cannot
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contradict publicly what whoa
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just saying him what wounds were saying no utah
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trade as he had information other
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trades are about to com you pointed
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about a couple of different times on the shelves the
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trade information between when horse
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and watch has directly conflicted
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on the same network were you get conflicting
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reports from competing reporters is that
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what you're suggesting
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that's certainly a very interesting theory
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down limited in a lot to unpack and packed
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with you or if it is there
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it does stand in stark contrast what we saw
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at the trade deadline
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where
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brian when her said harden's
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get dealt and adrian
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said
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though not and
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then the hardin got
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dealt and there
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was a feeling of i
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don't know, maybe embarrassment
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on one side, maybe
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shame i i can't describe that feeling
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i'm not a news breaker i don't really care about such
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things but clearly there was
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a feeling a reaction there certainly was a
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field day on twitter of
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people with the means and all as stuff and
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so here we are we progress five
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months into the future
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the and
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a similar we another big
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deal is about to happen brian
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when hers who again is a great news breaks
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in is not shy about breaking news
11:06
the brakes jaw before you
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cross that line
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the why would he do that speaking
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of which why would the timberwolves explain
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to me i told i told people that i've
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talked to for people have made a living in basketball
11:23
and when i just asked a simple question can you explain
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this to me what's the angle i'm not saying here
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i'm getting no good answers i mean who
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do here other than to god's making the arguments
11:33
on behalf of what the timber wolves just it
11:36
the average they can argue it's on behalf of the
11:38
timber wolves guess
11:40
the while only because it's on
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on nobody's on the terrain and he wants some
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terrain that he can take him tasteless and
11:46
case minnesota wins fifty two games and now
11:48
he's got a rooting interest the key to minnesota
11:51
having a good team is getting guys
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that to stay in minnesota
11:55
they are forced to stay in minnesota
11:58
know it's shoes
11:59
indigo to minnesota and right
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now they have some guys who has to
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stay in minnesota
12:06
the be edwards has to stay there for
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at least two or three more seasons
12:11
really go bare has to stay there
12:13
for four more seasons karl anthony
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towns the rear guy who was chosen
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to stay there is going to stay
12:19
there de angelo russell has
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to stay there that's a pretty good
12:23
team of guys who are being held against
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their wealth they have to say their
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eyes as he says it's the best minnesota
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could do some ,
12:32
why has this crisis a set up
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an assessment of assessment explain it to
12:37
me i mean is it mean team that said to itself
12:39
well we were very good a difference last year
12:41
let's get oh bears it that simple
12:44
it'll be good sets of by think in this
12:46
is a case of
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new ownership
12:49
there are no flex its muscle this
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is the alex rodriguez
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lead ownership group
12:55
that are they're they're saying hey okay
12:59
you know glen taylor the prior owner who
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officially the console
13:04
in twenty twenty three the
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conservative guy he didn't really like
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sweden for the fences like that that's not
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us we're here to make a big splash
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splash
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this and tim
13:18
connelly's
13:19
was a big move by them disguise when the most
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respected
13:24
executives out there if you don't believe me just
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set adrian twitter feed as he gushed
13:28
of have a great in galilee was
13:31
in the middle of reporting the news is kind of odd
13:33
like you know that nice never widespread
13:35
anyways
13:37
though to guys great at his job but
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im gonna we knows
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the any good front office prison knows
13:43
your number one skill is managing
13:46
that
13:46
scouting it's not the click the button
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it's
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make your most people happy
13:52
so they want to be aggressive we're
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gonna be aggressive so
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you go out and you look for a guy that on
13:59
some will help some defensively
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they feel they thing
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than say
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can i get this guy without giving up any
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of my corpse
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the any of my corpus look at the players
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that utah gov they really
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get players the
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shocking thing is is hall of pics and
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more stockinger that is the unprotected
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nature of those bricks thrills was rounded zero
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birth zero protections the last one
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in twenty eight or nine of the top five protections
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and it's very reminiscent of the
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kg paul peirce deal
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to brooklyn years ago and to kill program was program
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new owner and he wanted to make to
14:38
make we're moving to brooklyn i
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nice place to share get
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me these guys what's gonna cause all
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of these pics is danny age
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with the
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the time but you know sued raids in
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both situation though in the boss situation
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he got all those bags unprotected and he turned
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them into
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the on brown
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jayson tatum in
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one more gotta get members ah and
15:04
up and here he does it again he
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takes a guy that he feels like they've
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reached the end of the road with
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well i extremely high
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would you go bare and let's
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see what they're gonna build over the next seven
15:17
years or so give me a percentage of
15:19
chance on either of these things that that
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the nets right now are making any
15:23
of these moves deals before the deals
15:25
that are meant to go elsewhere to hopefully
15:28
you are you know because the offers are good
15:30
enough men these
15:32
fences everyone reconciles let's
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try and run it back one more year kevin we're
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sorry we've offended you
15:38
what's a percentage of chance that that's what's happening
15:40
right now with the acquisition of some like tj
15:42
warren
15:44
so vinegar will have yahoo sports
15:46
wrote about
15:49
the idea that josiah
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the owner of the nets is so
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the plan
15:56
john with the kyrie irving experience
15:58
that if they trade on the
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wave and stretch that's how
16:03
john they are would carry now can
16:05
they men the fence whatever
16:08
maybe i don't know today war move the needle that
16:10
that direction that foreigners
16:13
certainly did you were would have been a great pick up
16:15
for them hadn't none of this
16:17
turmoil happen a
16:20
and to be honest i don't know that trading
16:22
for russell westbrook gives you anything more
16:25
then
16:26
the mom at least wants to play it is gonna play
16:29
and are you surprised it are you surprised
16:31
at all that kyrie irving's trade value is
16:33
so low that all it brings you back as laker headache
16:35
sense and one of the most laughable contracts
16:37
and really
16:39
no org we talk about
16:41
this a lot then over the years with someone messes
16:44
up we say hey man like you're
16:46
not good enough for us to deal with that
16:48
fanatic give it was it was the broads it
16:50
was staff we deal with that we
16:52
would tolerate it but not you your
16:54
your replaceable we've never
16:57
that on the idea that someone who's of
16:59
irreplaceable talent level like kyrie
17:01
irving would be
17:03
so problematic to the burleigh you're
17:06
never mind just incision
17:08
no thank you but you here we
17:10
are and and dan it's not as is that
17:13
like always is what happened brooklyn's
17:15
people are taken in the whole resumes of
17:17
what happened in boston a what happened in
17:19
cleveland wherever this guy goes
17:22
he seems to be unhappy that's for one
17:25
for to he sees have an impact on
17:27
everybody elses happiness so
17:29
at this point
17:31
i think
17:32
teams are looking at and i'm not saying they don't want
17:34
kyrie irving
17:36
that
17:36
the looked you know that i'm not going to give up anything
17:39
for him
17:40
if anything i'll take them for free
17:42
but i'm not going to give up anything for them so that's why
17:44
the nets and is weird situation
17:46
where this clearly clearly god
17:48
level talent of a player the
17:51
best over the average of forty seven
17:53
million dollar expiring contract with the guy who's
17:57
the waning right before our very eyes
17:59
but if that guy
17:59
level than i don't know what the ask after go
18:02
bare is on durant's so you tell
18:04
me i mean what's the chances are that
18:06
this owner is so mad that
18:08
he does what no one is done before because
18:10
i've i've read the report saying they're willing to go into
18:12
training camp this ways and he either
18:14
doesn't trade him or or send
18:16
him somewhere he doesn't want to go says bleep your player
18:19
empowerment i'm here to blow it up i've already taken
18:21
the most colossal loss of embarrassment
18:23
i can takes bleep you i'm gonna try and get
18:26
the best offer i don't care whether you end up happy
18:28
or not
18:29
it there is no there
18:31
is no best offer dan because his
18:33
out worth this is a player empowerment worth it's
18:35
not an ideal it is a very
18:37
real leveraging tactic in negotiation
18:40
i'm joe size a if you want to give me a
18:43
mortgage haven't read you gotta give me an all
18:45
star and for first armpits
18:47
that's the minimum asking price rights you
18:50
don't get me that
18:51
that i'm not gonna tolerate right and
18:53
so
18:54
let's say sacramento
18:56
says you know what is not all star
18:58
but he's a really good young were what am
19:00
i good yarn fox and i blow
19:03
him as some other young player
19:05
that you might like you know like kevin
19:07
herder an rgb the for the for
19:09
pics and i'll throw in a couple deck slots in
19:11
there thou or be a segment were terrible
19:14
that would for you at joe's eyes as you know
19:16
what to son also but i'll go with it haven't
19:19
read hears about it and tells big
19:22
the phone calls but that one of the day the owner the
19:24
this kings if you trade for
19:26
me i'm not showing it
19:28
made a shit cinema anymore why
19:30
me why me everyday that i'm not there
19:32
but you just gave up six first round picks
19:34
and to young players are you a sad about for someone
19:37
who doesn't want to put
19:39
the of a variety of as a glow
19:41
don't know get is up or kendra
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i'm not going to give it up
19:45
for the contract of kevin durant and
19:47
nothing else
19:48
i'm not given that
19:50
you know what they call at all the table and
19:52
i'll give you db on middle at
19:54
a couple seconds instead
19:56
and though
19:57
you know joe size as well as he grows
19:59
up
19:59
it was a good i'll find some other
20:02
awful place to do detroit
20:04
and as we do this every where they can read
20:06
doesn't want to go he just goes
20:08
cold water on as as i'm not common just got
20:11
to be going to get to the blazers kevin durant wants
20:13
to go with indeed you are afraid of yes
20:15
exactly or at least somewhere where
20:17
you have an understanding with the organization that
20:19
they think they can convince kevin a pet dogs
20:21
all right so new orleans for instance
20:23
isn't on the list but if new
20:25
world of
20:27
david griffin goes in that nigga
20:29
and talks the kevin durant and like
20:31
to convince them of with that's i only got
20:33
this we got that like this could be a great opportunity
20:36
for you you know in a city that's
20:38
gonna door you that other maybe give her
20:40
a changes his mind but just kind of the absence
20:42
salty send his ass do
20:44
we know wherever s not going to happen
20:47
it can't happen
20:48
a mean i wanna
20:50
provide this is going to be
20:52
homer accusatory but i want to provide
20:55
a player to you that just one six mans
20:57
that one a six man at twenty points per
21:00
game which is a better scoring our points
21:02
than any one since lou will and if you look
21:04
at some of the greatest six men in history
21:07
it's a season that far outside the likes of james
21:09
harden's tyler hero nationally is
21:11
not perceived as this incredible
21:14
trade assets that you could habit
21:17
a center of a kevin durant's rate why
21:19
is that because or been plenty of one
21:21
way players such as james harden's
21:23
that have had six may winning seasons that aren't
21:26
looked at the same way the tyler hero is i'm
21:28
i'm really trying to wonder why miami needs a third
21:31
team so bad because you would you want to say also
21:33
caliber player we were having that discussion with
21:35
our hero last year he was very
21:37
good speed the post season and that injury
21:39
diminishes values so much the were
21:41
in an unrealistic point because i look at tyler
21:44
euro and like that's one of the game's
21:46
greatest assets
21:48
no might you're absolutely
21:50
right this is very homer accusatory
21:52
dog razor i don't remember anybody
21:54
avenue congress's vitaly her as an all star
21:57
or this past season the as he had a great
21:59
the six man i don't think the
22:01
post season is working against them yeah
22:04
i think it just merely
22:05
though
22:06
the
22:07
love is is he jordan clarkson
22:09
slash you know lou will slash
22:12
any one of these other as super
22:14
sub the comes in as course when a again
22:16
but really does little else is about
22:19
harden that they that made harden different
22:21
was he did different things harder tremendous rebounder
22:23
as a guard hard was it was the main
22:25
play make way we made it i could not give me that
22:27
biggest seller hero averages average
22:29
more rebounds per game and hardened
22:32
the i mean if if you wanted when
22:34
of you want to just point to rebound cel heroes and
22:36
excellent rebounder appointed
22:39
just rebounds mike i'm giving you
22:41
examples of multiple things
22:43
a james harden did okay buddy daily that better
22:45
than tyler is using is using dreams ardent
22:47
as a comp in okay c c
22:49
at the beginning of this before a barter just
22:51
signs here if he had a better year and a better
22:54
sixteen season the manager notably did when
22:56
managing only one it he he had one of the greatest
22:58
six men seasons of all times and it's not look
23:00
at my way by what mess but my points per game
23:03
and efficiency i remember the
23:05
game yeah but what's more games due
23:07
to add twenty points per game both adult
23:09
legal that eyes both harden both
23:11
harden and do nobly both
23:13
had major major playmaking
23:16
rolls with the team's dare i say it's
23:18
they were the best playmakers on it they
23:20
were the best like creating shots
23:23
for others players honor the the know
23:25
come out the bench to like there's a
23:27
difference does have a massive i'm
23:29
not a number of a mean the please
23:31
hear me i'm not making the argument that
23:33
tyler hero is a better prospects and
23:35
james harden was but i'm saying the national
23:37
discourse around him is such
23:40
he is one way player that can score
23:42
in markets that can rebound well
23:44
there there are more comparisons to james
23:46
harden that it would be for some of
23:48
the other names that he's being lumped into right now
23:51
i'm i'm just genuinely curious why
23:53
the well was so poison around tyler hero
23:55
because okay i'm gonna
23:57
you mean come on means
24:00
what you mean i'm undermine said
24:02
i think miami has to pay a white tax
24:04
on tyler hero is a trade outset because
24:06
of tyler hero and away now tagged
24:08
a lack of accidental nepal but
24:10
were more at leopard tired so i think
24:12
of teller here we're we're blackie be looked at differently
24:14
as a treat us tyrone
24:17
hero added
24:20
, came on said a deer more put it on your side
24:22
around the pole the air most do you
24:24
respect tyrone hero more more
24:27
don't mess with tyrone with there's
24:30
a lot of things that work to tyler heroes advantage
24:32
and being a white person i'm saying in terms
24:34
of national perception of once rebellion
24:37
this is the one time where it's working against that's a
24:39
j bill is sound of it we had on
24:41
beasley and hands burrow because you've
24:43
just resurrected the argument years later
24:45
years you are now just simply
24:48
making the argument that if he
24:50
were tyrone hero see
24:52
right now would be going to brooklyn exchange
24:55
for to assist them and duran wouldn't
24:57
be media thirteen love this limit
24:59
live as love as limit godparents
25:01
contrast for me
25:04
i will hero with tyree smacks
25:07
the process tell me tell me what you think about
25:09
ebola virus vaccine and
25:11
know go ask about people are not as well be
25:13
a mess when mike reiss immigrants would i mean
25:15
to move that the actually i prefer
25:17
hero in that i said maxis attorneys
25:20
off ever compare them to me compare them penn
25:23
and like to give you points per game i think you're
25:25
either better season
25:27
do you think our hero is
25:30
like markedly better at multiple
25:32
things on about what what the entire is max
25:35
what can we better not better not
25:37
like marginally more had we been like what
25:40
not even a same zip code
25:43
the is better rebounder i think i
25:45
mean that both good young player at risk
25:49
if if where to center a package
25:51
around maxi i don't think that
25:53
people would be looking at at the same way that if
25:56
they're up selling new gimmick my are has warmed
25:58
up
25:58
no i'm megan oregon the about if you've center
26:01
bags lotteries maxi no
26:03
one has seen a kevin's rak obese slated
26:05
for that is kevin friggin to read
26:08
that you can't say i'm going to trade him
26:10
for his younger guys i might
26:13
not wanting to britain's people are pointing
26:15
to bridges and came jeans and we're like
26:18
food like just i just thought the doing rankin
26:21
we'll cover the censored the
26:23
arizona republic and he was like
26:25
yeah like if aden is not
26:27
the
26:28
complicit party in what's about
26:30
to happen there is no deal
26:33
there's no chance they get slated
26:35
for camp johnson the mcgill bridge is that why
26:37
toronto is that why toronto has now
26:39
become more of a betting favorite out of nowhere
26:41
the people are likewise toronto making
26:43
a run years that makes them better at this
26:45
than miami of scotty barnes and study barnes
26:47
i'll admit it or is
26:49
probably a better prospect because he just
26:51
came off his rookie the you're winning season and
26:53
he's not lying
26:56
any any six than any rebounds in
26:58
any devalue defense and know he he does
27:00
a lot of gunfire scary barnes is a better
27:03
believe other visas right largely as
27:05
i like that doesn't sit out already needles
27:07
on the autumn like
27:09
what will give you see us like luke they've got off since
27:11
they were absent real options not lights one
27:14
day he might be really really really
27:16
good like know about a guy right
27:18
now is really good how about markers or less
27:21
the internet you don't have the luxury
27:23
of being terrible because of the pick
27:25
obligations that you have to was used in for the ardent
27:27
deal about marcus beers reporting
27:29
that the warriors make a ton of sense marcus
27:32
pearson report that marks is a poor that that's
27:34
fine marcus uses
27:36
his cousin that does the the nfl stuff
27:39
swagger adding that my bachelors
27:41
cousin
27:42
lana because there was once defined
27:44
rama by the always is a true
27:47
mark spears and marcus spears or cousins
27:49
this
27:50
really any yeah
27:52
yeah ah yes
27:54
both from louisiana
27:56
just like britney
27:59
the
27:59
brittany that's wrong
28:02
it is a mississippi as as if you
28:04
do thoroughly to sad i take so i
28:06
i was i raised my if i know
28:08
on either maxi and
28:10
tyler hero was tyree cirelli
28:12
in a manner of my lion just sort of wait
28:14
a minute to does m what happened with winners
28:17
who got you tonight good
28:20
a mean convince me our i was wrong and in
28:22
work sobbing not take friends from i
28:25
do think that nationally underrated
28:29
as an asset and i do think his
28:31
race does play does play in that but not
28:33
to the point that i was a legend but
28:35
that's okay you took the our you publish i was
28:37
right you're trying to create a new kind of
28:39
sports us podcast a
28:41
theory where you just want bag you
28:43
the most arrogance you the obnoxious
28:46
you have migraines point is to be right
28:48
in the be more right than you're right and you
28:50
are saying flatly you know walk
28:52
it back i walked back my alleged
28:54
race playing a factor here either
28:56
week to i don't understand why i have a reputation of
28:58
someone provides very strong evidence is
29:01
why i'm wrong on internalize
29:03
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when i wanted as flat lead to a mean
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and also don't investigate further if i did it as
33:29
gets take this out
33:31
tyler hero underrated as a trade
33:33
as a because he is white your he took the
33:35
hell of a museum ask him minute
33:37
directly and not a around about fashion right
33:39
now because this is my workshop theory
33:42
tyler hero nationally is perceived
33:44
to be a worse as said that he actually is
33:46
when you take into consideration the season that he just
33:48
had which was at an historic six
33:50
man sees an easy underrated as afraid
33:53
as as because he is merely whites
33:55
amino house
33:56
my dad to a unalienable truths
33:59
about
33:59
sports in general a basketball specifically
34:02
number one they don't care what
34:04
you look like the care of you could play in
34:06
the word the my dantonio i'd play satan
34:08
if he can a to jump shot right didn't
34:10
go so if style a hero
34:13
is as good as you believe years of
34:15
there's not there's not a shortage of people
34:17
were left a are you know are
34:20
going to pass on him i know it's going
34:22
to pass on him a because that what he
34:24
looks a number two if
34:26
race as ever played as a deciding
34:28
factor in and be a town evaluation
34:33
the user being white house the
34:35
gets easier to sell through your
34:37
home crowd easier
34:39
to put
34:40
make people feel comfortable
34:42
oh yeah always great whatever right
34:45
this never been like ma'am my fans
34:47
will hate a black player or not
34:49
the regional market in the country
34:51
where the great white hope doesn't
34:53
exist i kind of i like it or euro and we're here
34:55
to bulbs as he's walking no idea
34:58
he had enough but mike you
35:00
ask most of my twitter is the ultimate
35:03
rain or okay what to say i'm not on
35:05
the mods would also my real life okay to
35:07
live no was denied that i take my
35:09
i'll i'll give you i'll give you a great example
35:12
ah in two thousand two thousand i wanna
35:14
say the suns
35:15
graphic least two jacobson
35:17
this by him not being number one on the
35:19
board at the time
35:21
like the scouts had this on prince higher
35:24
and there was another player was in the two thousand two that's
35:26
really good spin boozer
35:28
they took
35:29
jacobson in a reason why was
35:31
casey jacobson was quoted what
35:33
love is west coast kid the went to stanford
35:36
and was a likeable and
35:39
ah the sun's at the time the team
35:41
had some issues and term was of was this a this wake
35:43
of the jason kidd said they just
35:46
needed someone that the pharisees alike
35:49
jacobson went as high as he did
35:52
import
35:53
because his skin tone offered
35:55
them some sort of kind of suiting
35:58
bomb on a fan base i was going
36:00
i don't know about these guys know the words in the woods
36:02
the great paul mooney to get the complex and for the protection
36:06
that's our league worth people don't like to talk
36:08
about because it demeans
36:10
in the little players were actually really talented
36:13
i could say tell it'll be while
36:15
as he helps him as a treat us it's a lot of markets
36:18
because people like a good young why player because
36:20
of the great white or
36:21
what if i did that i would be making
36:24
it seem i tell you can't blame
36:26
the only reason why he's way
36:28
is is because his wife and that's not fair
36:30
to him so that's why we don't talk about that but
36:32
there's never been in the history the and
36:34
be a slightly less you just said like in
36:36
america oh man i wish that guy was
36:38
black
36:39
things are going a lot easier form there
36:41
is still america debt i appreciate
36:44
that , summarily dismissed
36:46
may i present i will take that l
36:48
thank you for engaging the discourse year more
36:51
atla tired so billie has an
36:53
tyler heroes trade value increased
36:56
because he's white as a meme claims
36:58
yes or no as leopard
37:00
tired show are also played the hall
37:02
of fame sound that was such was better answer
37:05
a better answer not better than better such
37:07
a different answer that when i asked something
37:09
similar of j bill as hall of fame sound
37:11
on our show about if our
37:14
hands burrow or black or
37:18
, if he would be regarded as michael
37:20
beasley i did this on the eve of
37:22
the championship games a bill as was not here
37:24
for if someone with tyler
37:26
hansbrough was resume more
37:28
black do you think people might say
37:31
he's on athletic or he's not athletic
37:34
enough and they are no offense but as stupid
37:36
or me i your daughter's back and maybe does
37:38
not talk about as i'm i'm here to talk about
37:40
whatever you odd outside of is still
37:43
been little absorbed about anything but it's not
37:45
stupid and you can sort of census you
37:47
can start can sentence with no offense and
37:49
then say this then say okay than take
37:51
a bath it's stupid and i don't want talk
37:53
about a mario on top of my mouse no thank you
37:56
good zoc any of you to take rule as
37:58
severe as the antithesis and i
38:01
gotta admit it then take offence what is
38:03
a cruel cruel library and i going to take
38:05
the elder as as i do with neil rodgers
38:07
it is maybe a note is under my armpits and
38:10
both video is video is gotta take the l it's
38:12
okay you racism as okay because you did
38:14
it cruelly but you did it well make of tyrone
38:17
hands berra i mean when a guy had
38:19
put it on psycho see what it on the pole
38:21
at my bedside so make
38:23
it tyrone hands breath is
38:26
the hall of famer
38:28
then steamrolled that's
38:31
my favorite part of that clip which is
38:33
like a of harkening new yesteryear
38:36
the ended the phone call the
38:38
unmistakable sound of us hanging
38:40
up have a physical bond
38:42
o j brill as of usb and yeah
38:46
who really , is
38:48
beyond beyond
38:50
really remember those you can fire
38:53
up we've got joan rivers joan that we've
38:55
got going back to the glory days
38:57
of hey i really do get a whole
38:59
bunch of people hung up a landline on
39:01
up think we made i think you know
39:04
i know the cell phone the guy who invented the cell phone
39:06
he says a knack ninety two
39:09
ninety two years old he says
39:12
we're all wasting our lives on the devices is
39:14
judging it is and get a life all
39:16
of you have a guy who invented the cellphone
39:18
the inventor the i
39:21
phone though right inverted like the big break
39:23
phone and that's right but still know if
39:25
know if had apps on his big break phone as a
39:27
good thing in a different story
39:29
what else to mean did you find interesting
39:31
from the levers of free agency
39:33
because zoc kevin durant's gonna hold the whole thing
39:35
up right everybody said the anything anything
39:38
com everything else is going to be goran dragic
39:40
just one year to chicago
39:43
the also the on rain is like the big domino
39:46
right and and that's the big one that's
39:48
connected somewhat who was abner
39:51
given dress the andre aden the
39:53
restricted free agent is twenty years old
39:55
as such a huge world of upside
39:58
zone
39:59
the end
39:59
in the last couple years has proven
40:02
is that unrealized potential the problem
40:04
is generating this relationship
40:06
with the phoenix suns right now is completely
40:09
shot it's at zero are
40:11
the sort of the beginning of the year when the owner
40:13
allegedly walked up to them and told them
40:15
i don't think you're worth max which i don't
40:17
know what that would achieve in a in a negotiation
40:21
and that's that's that body andre and
40:23
his agent of harbor throughout the
40:25
season and then it ended with game
40:27
seven them being benched and
40:29
when asked about a module lives and say something
40:31
along the lines of always one with the best group that with our
40:33
gives the best chance when he
40:35
said it's an internal issue there
40:38
have been issues with egg of the on rate and talking
40:40
back and like not living
40:42
up to expectations and and be very defensive
40:44
about it and i guess it came to add in a game seven
40:46
either way they could have been embarrassed
40:49
and scorns and now he doesn't
40:51
want to do anything which is very
40:53
terrible for the sun's because as it and engage
40:56
the nets in and in and direct deal their
40:58
best rate as it would be a sign of a debate in spite
41:00
of eight now despite just as know
41:03
wouldn't you know they're pretty much shit on a lot
41:05
but mean it's been very quiet on the eight
41:08
and front and is that a moratorium
41:10
saying because we haven't really heard any rumblings
41:12
of him nearing to terms
41:14
on an offer sheet which would totally nukes
41:17
a kevin durant's pursuits it kind of seems
41:19
like phoenix for now is navigating it well
41:22
mom into doing
41:24
the much the only hand they can play which is just
41:27
to sit back and wait what works in their favor
41:29
is he is a restricted free agent so any
41:31
team that interested in a like for instance
41:34
the indiana pacers we've seen do
41:36
deal after deal to
41:38
clear the cap space to provide an outright
41:40
max off from for the andre eighteen
41:43
there still
41:44
the risk of getting their money tied up for
41:46
forty eight hours and then finding out they don't get
41:48
the guy that they wanted rights so
41:50
they're in a holding pattern aten in
41:52
a weird way his hatred of the sons are his distaste
41:55
for the sun's acts against them in this way
41:57
because it besides an option indiana
41:59
says
41:59
you guys i'm outta here and the sunset
42:02
know will match because we think
42:04
there's value in that now aden
42:07
hasn't played for played coach
42:09
that embarrass him in a game seven of the biggest states
42:11
and owner who's disrespected and allegedly
42:14
and he doesn't get to go where he wants to go
42:16
so everyone's kind of an old and patterns
42:18
trying to figure out what's going at what at
42:20
happens next what big of direct ends up going somewhere
42:23
else that opened the floodgates
42:25
as in the sun's can engage the pacers one
42:27
on one on a sign and trade just like in
42:29
the playoffs and i want to get to the number of people
42:31
who have hung up on land line land us to the second
42:33
but just like in the playoffs or mean where
42:35
we did it's a lot of talking about the
42:37
nets the nets the nets the nets the celtics
42:39
with bragdon got bragdon good deal better that is
42:41
what they were missing that missing that is a
42:44
that you get the attention of everybody in
42:46
the east i don't know who you think is better middleton
42:49
returning to the bugs are you going in
42:51
the missing piece on know i'm i'm looking
42:53
at it and i'm saying that brought that
42:55
boss is better than they were without bragdon
42:57
no doubt austin just got better
43:00
and my question to you as who is the favorite
43:03
in the east
43:05
oh that's a tough question den of
43:07
because there's a lot of movie piece is
43:09
we don't know i mean of miami ends up
43:11
and ran as toronto of a drain opposite
43:14
changes the mad as it stands now though
43:16
but but i might might my point is that what
43:18
boston did quietly
43:20
not unlike in the postseason boston was better
43:22
than the nets last year in
43:25
boston is young and up and coming and they just got
43:27
better it's not a small moved to add broaden
43:30
yeah you're right i don't think it's a cute
43:32
or all that is definitely as you said
43:34
they are better than a when they were before
43:37
they did that deal milwaukee
43:40
brought back everybody and added
43:42
joe ingles was recovering from a twenties
43:44
ya that he suffered last season you could
43:46
be big for them down the stretch our and
43:48
milwaukee can say look we
43:51
we're missing or second best player then
43:54
it took you seven games the beat us
43:56
though
43:57
whatever version of the bus you think you just
43:59
the like you didn't see
44:02
the best version the best version won a championship southern
44:04
milwaukee has a very realistic
44:06
claim to where the best teams
44:09
and finally philadelphia the
44:11
canadian the band back together they get the ip
44:13
to target they have been a house or they acquired
44:15
yeah to the mountain like the are deeper
44:18
their problem last year was depth after the hard
44:20
drive
44:21
the shooting and they've address that
44:23
in in several ways of as well we're good defensive
44:25
players smart so i thought of
44:27
it can be very carbon
44:30
about look i'm you got mid women were do
44:32
the season and there wasn't a training camp that we
44:34
lost most my dad now we will sit
44:36
back and now we're gonna have a full season
44:38
we're going to be a lot better than what we were last his
44:40
i think anyone of miami philadelphia
44:43
or milwaukee can say as a nice deal
44:45
but be nurse
44:47
mean i've i've been going through our
44:49
archive trying to find an actual
44:51
landline hanging out with that a lotta hangouts
44:53
but they sound like disconnections so
44:56
far as the one that i dug up was former
44:58
us south head football coach jim leaded
45:00
controversial figure he
45:02
actually hung up on the show with straight authority
45:05
most , you're deserve to be insulted
45:07
number five in the country and as i said
45:10
the greatest story anywhere in college
45:12
football gym thank you so much free time for
45:14
the the levis university of south
45:17
florida thing is thing amazing
45:19
story could not any
45:22
citizen i heard about
45:25
serious angry zoom level maxed
45:28
what a great production of aid of
45:30
what okay so love the hang of even though wasn't
45:33
a clean when he doesn't he fumbled and gonna rattle
45:35
the gym rather have the way
45:37
afterward that disconnection dial tone
45:40
guys roy knows this one you know
45:42
those all that was as
45:44
twentieth century bit as sweaty cb
45:47
material right that you don't hear that disconnection
45:49
don't anymore will see it all the time
45:51
in the nineties nowadays you never hear that
45:53
twenty see my duel yelling in my ear that
45:55
lot of it bruce framing hung up on us former
45:58
made at a former major league and
45:59
bruce framing what it honors and away
46:02
on a landline else as the longest
46:04
tenured umpire in baseball
46:06
bruce framing has been arm of those before
46:08
and he was the group see von this milton bradley
46:10
thing but is not allowed to talk about it so we're going
46:13
to move into a different direction with him
46:15
is it ever okay for an umpire to call
46:17
a player name's pretty much like
46:19
up stop a dot requested your answer
46:22
i don't think you're stupid you're a friend of a show your
46:24
soul i have a friend at a shop near just
46:26
as a leading question
46:28
they want to say a real it costs
46:30
to be it over and i gave it up for
46:32
amateurs before when when i
46:34
the guy you're better interviews and as
46:36
call me an undersized that's that's
46:39
it
46:41
remy
46:46
was a friend of his oh man
46:50
we have him on the other model for me
46:52
to fly a prisoner's on a couple
46:54
times yeah couple would you need him on more than one
46:57
friday away name is name great
46:59
empire my whole is
47:01
swimming fr o e
47:04
swimming m i n g a great umpiring
47:06
name's mike what else to have what the library
47:08
just empty every them sorry to burst
47:12
in my ears you started this on trying
47:14
to citizen live show his on time
47:16
specifically five
47:18
some women hanging up and old phone
47:21
that's going to take some preview bread and hand
47:23
do that on the fly move it's i can
47:25
read waveform so the best my ability by you
47:27
put me in a tough spot here dance i can ask
47:30
me why he left out the atlanta hawks
47:32
like what do you do as the i'd marry
47:34
i was actually one syllabus on to it's
47:36
a fine sorry it
47:39
is the gods for announced the design to like
47:41
a like my man and a the golden
47:43
child the ion to dagger the
47:46
general yacht oh i dunno why why
47:48
you're doing my my sweet brother noom see
47:51
a with the author
47:54
the the joan rivers ladies and gentlemen
47:56
are you jewish i am not i am
47:59
what you're talking about clear
48:03
, know what
48:07
you're talking about it's very strong needs
48:10
all i'm saying
48:12
that's all i see you
48:15
out with airlines use comparing
48:17
doyle brunson to hitler the poker
48:19
player
48:20
i wish him as hitler the
48:22
poker player
48:24
yeah
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