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This is the Dunlever show with

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This man reminds me of a time,

0:57

2. I am scared of this man.

1:00

He was a menace. Strong.

1:03

So physically strong. Other people

1:05

were scared of this man. So skilled

1:08

as well. Yeah. Larry Johnson

1:10

with us a a rare smile from

1:12

Larry. don't remember a lot of

1:14

those,

1:14

and he looks fantastic. He looks like he can

1:16

get, like, twelve and ten right now. Okay.

1:18

On the call, did you please? That leverage, I'm

1:20

sure you're shaking his head. I fact, I think

1:23

you underestimated him. Could Larry

1:25

Johnson get to fifteen and

1:27

twelve right now? If

1:29

you put him really Larry,

1:32

but they they ruined basketball. They've

1:35

they've ruined It

1:37

it it's no longer allowed to have someone

1:39

like you in the middle of a great team. Thank

1:41

you for being on with us here with us on behalf

1:44

of DIRECTV. Before we get

1:46

started, what are you doing with them? Well,

1:49

you know, it's this is my best time of the

1:51

year Marsh Madness. So I'm I was just

1:53

I'm happy to be here back in Las Vegas,

1:56

partnering it up with DIRECTV for Business,

1:58

Big Chicken, as you see behind me, and it's

2:00

Shaquille O'Neil Foundation. So, you know,

2:03

Shaq do a lot. He's a friend of mine, so we're

2:05

here. And at the end,

2:07

we also don't don't with DIRECTV

2:09

and Big Business. And

2:13

big chicken, we're gonna donate we're

2:15

gonna donate to to 2

2:17

a secure foundation. Make sure a little

2:19

big brother's taking care of everybody. So

2:22

I'm just it's just a great time for me

2:24

to be here in Las

2:25

Vegas. That's very

2:27

nice of you, but I wanna talk to you about how

2:29

much you still hate the

2:30

heat. Not

2:33

not as much. Not as much anymore. Not

2:35

as much now. When we play. You know,

2:37

it had a first rivalry going. So,

2:39

you know, we enjoyed it. You don't have them do

2:41

too many robberies like this anymore. Right?

2:44

Time heals

2:44

then. I I don't like that it heals. want

2:47

I want you to make be mad at the the lightning

2:49

heat forever. Like, why would you not be? Why

2:51

did it heal? Tell us What do you remember

2:53

as the greatest of those stories?

2:56

Well, for one, I remember I I went

2:59

three and four against those guys, so

3:01

And, you know, I think they beat me my first year in

3:03

New York, but other than that, we won,

3:05

I believe, three in a row in on their court,

3:07

so I don't have too much to be mad at them about.

3:09

You know what I mean? So, you

3:12

know, it was a great robbery. Went

3:14

from Jeff Van Ghee to Pat Reilly

3:16

having the same system. I remember

3:18

at one point, I

3:20

was guarding Jamal Masmer,

3:23

and they called out a plate. And I was

3:25

running to Jamal's position

3:27

before he got there. Because the place was

3:30

identical. They just we just our

3:32

our fist up with our fist down. But,

3:34

you know, we knew them in and out, and they knew

3:36

us so well that you know, it was just

3:38

really men to men. It wasn't no trick plays.

3:40

One, no, get no trick baskets. I'll just

3:42

remember being all guts and

3:44

glory. Larry, You

3:47

guys always wanted to fight, and Jeff Van

3:49

Gundy was holding on to Alarmza Morning's

3:51

cast and one of the games on the podcast. Yeah.

3:53

And he's talking about, like, You're

3:55

describing a different thing than when I saw

3:57

you, people hated each other. I

4:00

am not I'm describing the same thing you

4:02

described. I'm just sourcing it up a little

4:04

better. You're not on the other

4:05

one. No. No. You're you're all selfing

4:08

it up. No. I just didn't. No.

4:10

I'm talking around. Like, why are you? You

4:12

want a lunch morning? We're gonna kill each other

4:15

at the time. At the time when we was

4:17

thirty something years young, we had that food.

4:19

We had that that that that that takes

4:22

the blood. Now, you know, we got children

4:24

going to school. Like, how are you doing?

4:26

So everything good.

4:27

Now, We're good now. Oh, man.

4:29

That's so disappointing. It really

4:31

is disappointing. No.

4:34

We will. No. will. No. Yeah. Because I

4:36

you went along a warning. I remember, I

4:39

I don't know what triggered it. Right?

4:41

I don't maybe it was just competitive fire.

4:43

But I remember that there was nothing that

4:45

felt like it in sports, the fight that you

4:47

guys had, your coach was

4:49

hanging from morning's ankle on the

4:51

court. It was and and that

4:54

was started because you and Elanzo hated

4:56

each other. The

4:58

long time I did not hate each other. We

5:00

hated playing we hated playing each other, the

5:02

playing against each other because he was gonna throw elbows,

5:05

and I was gonna throw elbow. You know,

5:07

people when we go back to that, people

5:09

trying to say, and I went through this about two days ago,

5:11

I was explaining this. People was trying to

5:13

say, Lonza and I had a problem, Michelle.

5:16

And Charlotte, playing together Lonza and

5:18

I never had a problem. And I believe, you know, you

5:20

talked to Lonza, he'll tell you this. We never

5:22

had a problem on playing against women's on

5:24

the same team. Don't know why

5:26

Charlotte decided to go a different way

5:29

and traded both of us. But

5:31

now, Joe and I, we got along well. We played

5:33

together well. I think we both

5:36

had that competitive spirit

5:38

that we didn't wanna lose and we was gonna do

5:40

anything to win, you know, like you said,

5:42

back in the nineties and eighties back

5:44

then. It was it was a little different game.

5:47

So it was some elbows being thrown

5:49

and there's some there's some he got heated and

5:51

we just got into it, you know, one no look,

5:53

luckily, one no punches landed. So

5:55

nobody got really, you know look,

5:58

if he 2 hit me, I'd be pissed now 2 this

6:00

day. So No. No. That's why you

6:02

know it's probably easier to let

6:04

the fight

6:04

go. Dan, I appreciate the effort. You

6:06

can ask it again a different way if you want 2,

6:08

but he's let it go. The only person who hasn't

6:11

let it go is you. I mean, we need to move

6:13

on. You and I and I'm with

6:14

you. Like,

6:15

when he's let it go You're right. Fair enough.

6:18

How

6:18

much did you hate to eat? Do you have do you have

6:20

anything does Larry have

6:22

anywhere in his house? Anything from

6:24

the grandma mom

6:25

commercial? Is there a wig in one of the

6:27

drawers? Never. Come on now.

6:29

Stop it. Stop it. Look, they wouldn't let me have

6:31

anything. They kept everything. So No.

6:34

Other than some posters, that's about it.

6:37

But that that made you a lot of

6:39

fame and

6:40

money. Did it not I

6:41

mean, people still talk to you about that ad

6:43

campaign. Correct? Correct.

6:45

Correct. At the time, you know, I was a little hesitant

6:47

to do it, you know, coming out of college. I

6:49

want 2 be Larry Johnson. But

6:51

the marketing guys at Converse,

6:54

and that's who came up with it. They was just we

6:56

was we was in it together mean, they were just

6:58

as young as I was. I was twenty one, and

7:00

they just hired, like, three new marketing guys

7:02

at Converse. They were twenty two, twenty

7:04

one. And, you know, they had these ideas

7:06

of doing something different than guy playing

7:08

basketball, running, and dunking. And I'm like, no,

7:11

man, that's what we do. But it luckily,

7:13

it worked out. I still get the praise

7:15

from the grandma mom commercial to this day.

7:18

Only time I've had a commercial on a

7:20

a Super Bowl Sunday. You know,

7:22

commercial is on on Super Bowl. It's real

7:25

big. So where my mom was there one

7:27

time, and she did well. So I have

7:29

no no beef with that with with my grandmother

7:31

my

7:31

dad. Larry, you had a great NBA

7:34

career, but I am wondering, is

7:36

UNLV the years you spent there

7:38

with that

7:38

team, that legendary team with Jerry

7:40

Tarke Indian. Is that the best time of your

7:42

life? Absolutely. I

7:45

you know, like I said, I'm back here now, and, you

7:48

know, I get these questions a lot. And I

7:50

tell people the only championship I've ever won.

7:52

I appreciate the compliments on my

7:54

career, but I won one championship

7:56

my whole life. I mean, and and, too, if

7:58

you wanna count eight gray. I wanna championship

8:01

in eight gray in that respect. No one counts

8:03

that one, Larry. Larry,

8:06

no one cares about that one. Okay? He

8:08

does. I know. We were

8:09

the we was a beast and eight grade.

8:11

Yeah. Can you imagine Larry Johnson

8:13

in eighth grade? Larry. No. No. My god.

8:17

Boy, forty five a game, man.

8:20

Larry, I know when I was like an eighth grade.

8:22

When I was that age, and of course, she's scored

8:25

forty Because you were wondering

8:27

Yeah. I haven't gave

8:27

it

8:28

to you. You haven't gave it to me. Fine, Larry.

8:30

Fine. Fine. Yes. You would have given

8:32

it to me an interview,

8:33

Larry. Fine. Flying Larry.

8:36

No holds barred. No holds barred. No holds

8:38

barred. Other than that championship,

8:40

only championship over one in my career was ed

8:42

you and

8:43

L. V. So It was it was definitely

8:45

the best time of my life as well as basketball

8:47

career.

8:49

Larry, thank you for being on with us.

8:51

We appreciate it. It was good catching up with

8:53

you, sir.

8:54

Hey, I appreciate you guys, man. Thanks for having

8:56

me on. Thank you.

8:58

Thank you, Larry. I he got me 2 thinking about

9:00

something because when

9:03

he started naming former

9:06

Charlotte Hornet or

9:09

Bobcat. I

9:11

got to thinking of Michael Jordan's career

9:13

because he's now selling to someone named

9:15

Gabe Pluckkin. And the

9:17

precipitous name fall from

9:20

your owned by Michael Jordan

9:22

2 your owned by Gabe Blotkin.

9:24

Might be an upgrade, though. I don't know. Maybe think about

9:27

what a spectacular failure he was that the

9:29

only thing I associate with that franchise

9:31

while he runs it is him. And it

9:33

was just brand him him and he's gonna

9:35

get a billion dollars and he's gonna win the

9:37

game. But he was terrible.

9:39

He wins every game. Yeah. But he's terrible as an

9:41

owner. Like, truly terrible and it made me think

9:43

The best player in the history of that franchise is

9:46

blank. Campbell Walker. Oh,

9:51

Right? Yeah. So. Right? It's so. But

9:53

he wasn't he's associated with the heat. Right?

9:55

So it's Jamal Mashburn. It's

9:58

a long time ago. It was my point.

10:00

Nothing came through there. And the entire

10:02

time like, Jordan was the sucker

10:04

at the table. But

10:06

made all the money, cash is out, and

10:09

and we'll make all the money. We'll win that game.

10:11

But good. God. Did that league

10:13

run laps around him as an

10:14

owner? Just terrible. Yeah.

10:16

I mean, it was as bad of an ownership

10:19

tenure as you will have. And just from a result standpoint,

10:21

I

10:21

guess, like, the Donald Sterling's Robert Sarvers

10:23

of the world will like be beneath him. But at

10:25

least we weren't toxic is what the ban is the

10:27

banner they can hang. Right. I mean, Charlotte

10:30

is a growing city that should not be an anonymous

10:32

franchise. And 2,

10:34

like, word association, you say

10:36

name a bad team that's coming to your city

10:38

on a Tuesday night. The Charlotte hornets

10:41

top of that list. Oh, Charlotte's in town. That

10:43

there were association Batard, and

10:45

it is the genius of ownership in

10:47

sports, particularly American sports, that

10:49

you can do that bad of a job

10:52

and increase the value of your franchise by

10:54

two by two x and

10:56

cash out, make a huge amount of money, and go

10:58

into your next thing. But Michael Jordan

11:00

was really bad at this. And it's kind

11:02

of remarkable considering, like, you know, the

11:04

MJ versus LeBron, the the constant

11:06

analyzer analysis of

11:09

Michael

11:09

Jordan, that it never gets discussed.

11:11

Now, Michael Jordan, it is about man, there are

11:13

so many unbelievable things

11:15

on his resume. Defying gravity,

11:18

is not at the top of it. Making

11:21

bold cool is not at the top of it.

11:24

Him being an unbelievably shitty

11:27

owner and nobody

11:28

caring. That's a magic trick.

11:31

And

11:32

Dekuoka four is one of his best players.

11:35

Do you

11:36

have to

11:36

do you think that Robert Sarburn got out?

11:38

And Michael Jordan looked around at

11:40

all the owners and go, oh

11:41

god, I'm the worst of them. I need to get out now

11:44

Like like, did Robert Sarver

11:46

selling the team precipitate Michael Jordan

11:48

selling

11:49

his But if the game and issue

11:51

James Dolan, this is the thing, though,

11:53

we're winning hand. And look,

11:55

man, the commerce of this is interesting because

11:57

I may sound like hugely, overly judgmental

12:00

when Passon is here. And I'm talking

12:02

about shefter and wage or journalism

12:04

or whatever the principles are supposed to be. He told

12:06

you flatly and I can't reject

12:08

it. Gotta feed my family. Schefter,

12:11

in the information business, you gotta feed your family.

12:13

Who cares about your journalism principles?

12:15

Let it start. I gotta feed my family.

12:18

The game of winning it money, Jordan

12:21

Republicans buy shoes

12:22

2, has played

12:23

that one perfectly. Like,

12:25

got all the sneaker money and

12:27

now caches out high. Like, if that's

12:29

the game. But, holy shit, the

12:31

losing won't stain him at the end. Like, it's not

12:33

just losing. It's management and

12:35

confidence that cost him his friendship with Barclay

12:38

because Barclay dared to say, hey, you're kind of a

12:40

shitty at some of the personnel stuff. You surrounded

12:42

yourself with yes, man. Cost him the friendship.

12:44

Because Jordan didn't want somebody who wasn't

12:46

a yes man, didn't want and never still hasn't

12:48

forgiven it because Jordan gets to be mythological Jordan.

12:51

And it doesn't stick to him that that

12:53

team has been shitty for the entire time

12:56

that he's owned it.

12:56

Right. It's somewhere in his

12:58

obituary though. Right? I mean, it's somewhere.

13:01

No. No.

13:01

Just own the team

13:02

and own the team. And one one at the end.

13:04

He made

13:05

three playoffs and never got

13:07

out of the first round. No. Did he is that

13:09

right? Yes. They they didn't win a playoff

13:11

series. The entire time I thought, oh, Jamal Mashburn

13:14

was

13:14

before. They

13:14

won't say Gerald Wallace was one

13:16

of his best players. Oh, no. It's

13:19

gotta be somewhere.

13:20

Right? If it's somewhere somewhere. You could sky. He

13:22

was good. Yeah. Corner threes.

13:24

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I don't even know 2. Honestly,

15:34

I don't even know if you can call

15:36

Michael Jordan a shitty owner if

15:39

the only part of the transaction that matters

15:41

is did you make money owning the franchise?

15:44

It's hard to say that he in that regard,

15:46

it's hard to say that he was a shitty owner. But I

15:48

think Michael Jordan would tell

15:50

you, like, hey, I thought I'd do Batard.

15:52

when I They won three playoff games,

15:54

three. That winning him is just telling

15:56

me. was swept, swept, swept, and they won,

15:59

like, one game in three different series

16:01

that they won. The best they did was win two games

16:03

in a series against the

16:04

heat. I mean, he's such a competitor and

16:06

winning means so much to him that

16:08

you think would my goal evaluates his

16:10

own job, his owner, that he thinks

16:12

he did a good job. Yes. Financially, he

16:15

thinks he did a good job. But as an

16:17

owner, do you think Michael thinks he did? Well,

16:19

let me ask you what the I and I'm serious about

16:21

this. Okay? What is the measurement? Because I can't sit

16:23

here and argue. You've heard me over many

16:25

years argue about Roger Goodell

16:27

doing shitty things. But I can't

16:30

say that he's been anything other then

16:32

good at his job. If the math is make

16:35

football owners a lot more money, get them a lot

16:37

more power, take all the hits, and then make

16:39

five hundred million dollars in your career

16:41

because you're more than any player,

16:44

risking his body because you've

16:46

helped or you've been at the helm as

16:48

the and he's got all sorts of incentives. As

16:51

the business has blown up into the

16:53

largest thing that we've ever seen

16:55

as football keeps growing and somehow

16:58

they navigated, that can cautions

17:00

and the bad press and then

17:02

a player almost died on the field this

17:04

past year. But so no but no matter

17:06

what's 2 god's even if he had died,

17:09

the commerce of the sport is such that this

17:11

man wins because the

17:13

sport keeps being giant.

17:15

And the game is make

17:17

as much money as possible. This is

17:19

what that's the game that Jordan's playing

17:21

in a

17:21

room. He's usually not let in unless

17:24

you own a team. Right. He

17:26

is giving up a powerful, powerful platform

17:28

of power that he is selling

17:31

and he's selling high. Because that franchise

17:33

isn't gonna be worth more. It's a loser. It's

17:36

a loser, but it's in a good market. And

17:38

those franchises are worth lot now because they're

17:40

about to sign a new TV deal and he

17:42

can now

17:42

retire. Michael Drydon, what the hell else

17:44

he's gonna do with his life after I

17:46

mean, he couldn't retire a while ago. But to

17:48

your point, yes, you don't have to worry about from

17:51

being a loser, like going to those games and

17:53

even having to live in Charlotte. Michael joins

17:55

live the rich full life. He wants 2 be on boat

17:57

somewhere resting. Not losing

17:59

the sitting courtside with those losers.

18:04

They're his losers. Right. Exactly. Take every

18:06

single one of them. And like Batard to me,

18:08

it's sort of another example in the long line

18:10

of legendary players

18:12

that don't kind of seem to be able

18:14

to recognize what made what

18:17

separates their ability from the ability

18:20

of normal people or normal

18:22

NBA athletes? Michael Jordan

18:24

clearly doesn't know how to do player evaluation.

18:26

Management evaluation or draft

18:28

evaluation. Like, he did not put

18:30

any of those bits of success into

18:33

the team despite his overwhelming knowledge

18:36

of basketball. In theory, Michael Jordan

18:38

should be able to better than any other NBA

18:40

owner, know what it takes to

18:41

win, and yet You can apply

18:43

that to oneself, but you can't apply that to a

18:45

colleague. No. No. But the way to win is b Michael

18:47

Jordan. That's a good way to win.

18:49

Mhmm. Also attract free agent and that's

18:51

the part. Like, it didn't seem people were really excited

18:53

to go play for Jordan. I think that's where Michael

18:55

probably is a bit disappointed in

18:57

himself. Like, I thought me just being

18:59

here would attract enough free agents for

19:01

us to be really good. Yeah. He also didn't hire

19:03

people. He also didn't hire very people.

19:06

I think if you're Michael Jordan, the here's

19:08

how you measure an owner. How do the fans

19:10

feel? What do they think about Michael

19:13

Jordan as an owner? Were they real happy the

19:15

last ten

19:15

years? No. They don't

19:17

care. They don't care what the bottom line is and how

19:19

much profit he made. To God. I'm not I'm

19:21

not joking when I tell you whatever

19:23

number of years that he owned

19:27

this basketball team. The

19:29

only thing that I remember about

19:31

all of those games played is that

19:33

all of his players said he was good

19:35

in one on one and argued

19:37

about whether or not they could beat him as

19:39

he approached sixty. Like, it's

19:41

it's all if he selected

19:43

players, he knew he could be what I want.

19:47

That's the problem. But but like but

19:49

Dan, any I think it's pretty

19:52

clear now. I mean, we were joking back here.

19:54

By that definition, Jeffrey L'Oreal was a good

19:56

owner of the Florida Marlands and the Miami Marlands.

19:58

If the if the job is to increase

20:01

the value of the team, there probably hasn't

20:03

been a sports owner in twenty five years,

20:05

where the owner of the the the value of the team has

20:07

decreased. Every single one of them increases

20:09

it. Like, it's impossible not

20:10

to. The model is such that

20:13

every single team -- Even ours.

20:15

-- value. Say, the success

20:17

is when you talk to Hornet's fans or

20:19

Bobcat's fans, what the hell they are now. Hornet's,

20:21

you say, have this go? And if they're

20:23

like, not well, it wasn't good, then it wasn't good.

20:25

Like, that don't care how much money that he gets

20:27

for the team. Like, was this successful? Did

20:30

I feel good about my team while you were

20:31

here? And I think the answer is no. Yeah.

20:33

But they could always say, but at least Michael Jordan

20:35

owns the team. Now it's pluck good. To

20:37

that point, you don't see a lot of articles, least

20:40

I don't of fire or sell

20:42

the team. They're they're doesn't seem to be a lot of people

20:44

in Charlotte, like, oh, get rid of the team. They seem to 2

20:46

be It's Charlotte. They seem to still

20:48

like, hey, we got Jordan. He's our owner. He's

20:50

big Jordan. They're they're so

20:52

inconspicuous in the grand scheme of the

20:54

NBA. It's like who cares? It's Charlotte. Who's

20:57

gonna sell? Like, why would he sell the team for what

20:59

reason?

20:59

Just money.

21:00

Just money. He doesn't have enough

21:02

of that. No. But nearly enough.

21:05

But also to get away from those losers,

21:08

It's away from his -- He's losers. -- they're his

21:10

losers. I understand

21:11

that they're his losers. Would he be moving

21:13

on to another team? Like, I mean,

21:15

who knows? He's got so much money that it's

21:17

like Why

21:18

would he move to another team?

21:19

He's still gonna go to another team, I

21:21

think. Mike

21:23

sure is gonna be with us in a moment

21:26

to do stat of the day. But before we

21:28

do that, let's update some tournament here.

21:30

2 Michigan State has

21:32

advanced. Tom Azoh has advanced through

21:35

the wrong bracket that you have put him

21:37

in. You had him. Many

21:39

people pointed out that you had him in the

21:41

Cronin bracket. Yeah. I do

21:43

that occasionally just to make sure you're on

21:45

your toes. You're paying attaching you guys to listening.

21:47

No one corrected

21:48

me. I mean shame on you guys. Yeah.

21:50

That's probably fair. To keep us on our toes,

21:53

Michigan state, guys, has advanced. Thank you

21:55

2 the hard work you do. Brother sucks. No.

21:57

That's 2. You are you are a real

21:59

hero. Always there

22:01

for us. To make sure testing us challenging

22:04

us, making sure that we're on our game.

22:06

Number

22:06

seven, Michigan State is still

22:08

in the tournament. That means this advances.

22:11

British capital like the state of his

22:13

Spanish is Migusta Chikas.

22:17

This means that number 2, Marquette

22:19

is out. Jeff

22:21

Pason looks like he wears a promise ring.

22:23

Uh-huh. Number

22:26

ten, USC is out. Black

22:28

Griffin looked like the assistant

22:29

manager. Who know when things is ready for

22:31

this measures responsibility. But Yeah.

22:34

And I was crushed when Vermont

22:36

left the tournament. James Franklin

22:38

looks like the car salesman who upon

22:41

waking up each morning brushes his

22:43

goatee, polishes his head

22:45

and calmly whispers to himself Showtime

22:48

before heading to the dealership.

22:51

Make sure it's with us now before we

22:53

sort of update some more tournament that we were

22:55

talking up Michael Jordan before you got

22:57

here. What are we to do with his legacy

23:00

in Charlotte here before we get to the start

23:02

of the

23:03

day? Oh,

23:04

I thought you were talking about who was better him or LeBron.

23:06

I was ready to

23:07

jump in. It's Michael.

23:09

Yeah. But that's that is also another

23:11

reason he's been a great owner for the last twelve years.

23:14

We're still talking about that. ESPN,

23:16

we've turned that into the content monster,

23:18

caught almighty. He wins at the

23:20

end. Does he not like even though his team's drunk?

23:24

Well, I mean, he wins at the end because he's gonna

23:26

make a billion dollars, but I don't I

23:28

think he damaged his legacy if

23:31

if you wanna get into the legacy game. Like,

23:33

he's been a terrible owner. The team's been terrible.

23:35

In fact, one of the three potential stats

23:37

the day I have today is about the Charlotte

23:39

Hornets. I don't know. I have three stats. I don't know if

23:41

you wanna choose. You wanna spin the wheel. What do you wanna

23:43

do?

23:44

But

23:45

I have bonus stats. Why do you have bonus stats?

23:47

I also have something for Mike, by the way, at

23:49

the end. I have five San

23:51

Diego state based ball players

23:53

in honor of your state of the day yesterday

23:55

about Tony Quinn being the all

23:57

time assistant leader at San Diego ego

24:00

state --

24:00

In basketball. -- in basketball, I

24:02

have the top five San Diego

24:04

state baseball players that'll put

24:06

a smile on your

24:07

face. How

24:08

about that? It's exciting. Fantastic. That

24:10

sounds excellent. Wait.

24:13

What a day?

24:16

Start of the day. Start of the

24:18

day. It is a start of the day.

24:21

Start of the day. Start of the day.

24:23

This year's start of the day. Start

24:26

of the day. Start of the day.

24:28

At this year's start of the day. Start

24:31

of the day. Start of the day.

24:33

It is the start of the day. It

24:48

is brought to you by Venmo with your money,

24:50

your move.

24:54

Alright. What do you want? You want

24:57

a stat related to the char eyelet hornets?

24:59

Do you want a stat related to

25:01

destiny hardened in the University of

25:03

Miami? Or do you wanna start related to

25:05

Steph Curry?

25:07

What is your

25:08

best stat boy? What is your best stat stat

25:10

in turn. I'm glad that you have a bonus

25:12

today, but what you feel like is the finest and

25:14

the most impressive of the stats?

25:19

They're all good, Dan. They're all gold. I

25:21

would say the funniest is Steph

25:23

Curry. The Most

25:26

relevant to what you're talking about is

25:28

Michael Jordan, and the one that will get you the Angriest

25:30

is about the University of

25:31

Miami.

25:32

Well, I want that what

25:33

That was weird how he talks slow at the beginning of

25:35

that sentence and then fast.

25:36

That's the one you want. Okay. Let's go ahead. You want

25:38

the one that'll make us angry? The one that's least interesting

25:41

to me. Are you angry? Yes. It's your choice.

25:43

I'm leaving I'm leaving it up to you. I mean, I'm leaving

25:45

it totally. That one funny

25:46

is, but Cody hasn't said anything in a while, so

25:48

I'll let him pick. I want I want the

25:50

the angry the angry one. He picked

25:52

a poor choice. Thank you. We'll

25:55

see. Congratulations.

25:59

2 Destiny Harton and the University of Miami

26:01

knocked off the number one seat Indiana. They

26:03

scored twenty points in the second half

26:05

to come away with the win. Speaking of twenty

26:07

nine, the Yukon women

26:09

have been to twenty nine consecutive suite

26:12

sixties. Yeah.

26:17

Cool. Awesome.

26:21

That

26:21

is impressive. Yeah. No. It's very impressive.

26:23

But, I mean, it's why the university

26:25

might be making their first one in thirty one years

26:27

is, you know, like pretty great.

26:31

Oh, what are you doing? What you getting defensive

26:33

here? I mean,

26:34

I'm defending my own No. He's right. You're right.

26:35

This is not a hurricane stat. This is

26:37

a Yukon stat. Right. A cemetery.

26:39

Penalty box. What? What's

26:41

the last two? What's the selecting

26:43

the wrong status?

26:48

Sure. In the filling box, I I

26:50

will lock up my chair in the penalty box.

26:52

He gave you the choice. I gave you the choice.

26:54

You haven't said anything in a while, and then you make a

26:56

terrible choice. I

26:57

expected a death an eheartened fact,

26:59

not a Yukon fact, Jack. Yeah.

27:01

How about that?

27:02

Get out of here. Mhmm. Go

27:05

ahead. What the stuff going on?

27:06

No. I don't wanna anything more from you.

27:10

Really?

27:11

And even top five San Diego say baseball players,

27:13

his name make you smile? Aztecs.

27:16

That is fine. I don't think you should be rewarded

27:18

with this little bonus. Like, giving him a treat

27:20

for

27:21

sure. On it. I want 2 got to

27:23

play. Go ahead. Number go ahead. Number

27:25

five, bobby Meacham.

27:31

I don't even remember Meacham. I don't remember Meacham. You crack

27:33

it don't remember. I know I know he was with the

27:35

ladies. I don't remember where he went to

27:37

college. Number four. Aaron Heringue.

27:40

Good name. Oh, that's fantastic.

27:42

Yeah. Number four Number four. Good picture for the reds.

27:45

Number three. But black. Number

27:49

two. Al Newman.

27:55

Oh, to win. The number one,

27:58

Craig Nettles. Well,

28:00

that won't be

28:01

Oh, no. I forgot. Yes. Mhmm.

28:04

That all. Yeah. You

28:06

can check out the pods. The pods

28:08

cast with Mike Sharon

28:10

Joe Podnansky where they open baseball

28:12

cards. Thank you, Mike, for being on

28:15

with us anytime. Don

28:18

Libertard. Who is the comedian?

28:20

Is it James Mulvaney? How

28:22

do you pronounce his John Mulvaney?

28:25

There you go. Thank you. John Mulvaney is

28:27

thirty dollars. Yeah. Yeah. That's a bad

28:29

find. Wow. Everybody started

28:31

shaking their head.

28:32

mean, he's arguably the most popular comedian

28:34

right

28:35

now. James Mulveen.

28:39

2 got Put it on the

28:40

podium. It's

28:42

it's John Mulvaney, the most

28:45

popular columnist at

28:46

lebeth -- Oh, God. -- comedian Dan.

28:48

Jesus. Get it together. Excuse me. Commeeting

28:50

in my With

28:53

this 2 guards. Greg

29:01

Cote -- Oh, with that noise. -- and 2. You

29:03

should have seen the two of them. I mean, when him is

29:06

trying to get us

29:06

started, we're coming back on live television

29:08

and Greg Code. He has no idea where he is. And at this

29:10

point in the show, we

29:11

literally look like he woke up from a nap. No. But that's

29:13

what happened. No. What happened is

29:16

He was deep in his computer. He knocked me

29:18

and he hit his thermos and he was

29:20

taught, no. It's worse than me because that's

29:22

usually what it is. Let's talk about

29:24

me. I love talking about

29:25

me. That

29:26

one's what happened to me. No. No.

29:28

No. Stuttgart

29:30

lured him into his old man

29:32

net. Talking about Al Newman

29:34

having one career homeer. The

29:38

the

29:38

longing for the day of when a guy

29:40

could have five hundred bats and play

29:42

in the major leagues with one

29:44

homer. And then Greg Cote went

29:46

on I don't know where he went, but he was just

29:48

lost. In in a childhood delight

29:50

of looking up old players on the Internet.

29:52

Al Newman had a season where he

29:54

had five hundred and twenty Batard and

29:57

no homers. Greg and I

29:59

were just talking about how much

30:01

the game has changed. And I said,

30:03

Greg, that was normal back then. Like

30:05

a guy they had traditional lead off hitters back

30:07

then, and I told him to look up Vince

30:09

Coleman. What'd you find? I wouldn't have believed

30:11

that Vince Coleman in nineteen eighty

30:13

six had six hundred at Even

30:16

zero home

30:17

runs. Never would have believed it.

30:19

hundred and

30:20

seven stolen bases that year. And so it was so

30:22

exciting that he knocked over his thermos for

30:24

god we were doing something

30:25

like Well, we heard of the Beyond Finance. Yeah. You know what's

30:27

the battle? He was just he was just

30:29

lost. And and and a childhood delight of

30:31

looking at Facebook cards. Emitized

30:35

by a whole time he lead off

30:37

man. That's

30:38

right. I've heard. From a bygone

30:40

age, you

30:41

went to school. Was a great He would've thought he

30:43

would've stumbled into one home run though. Six hundred

30:45

a That's what I was thinking. Because

30:47

other years he had one, two, But

30:49

zero

30:50

right now, you're hooked on. Oh, I will tell

30:52

you. I I will tell you that I they're

30:55

Isaac Smith stumbling 2 a home. Right?

30:57

Vince Coleman 2, God, it's one

30:59

of the great bits of journalism

31:02

I've ever seen done in my life.

31:04

Vince Coleman, for the

31:07

mint, lost the fly ball

31:09

in the sun, and his sunglasses

31:12

were on the cap. He wasn't

31:14

2 lose a game. And they had a picture

31:16

of that. And then later that night, Vince

31:18

Coleman in the club wearing sunglasses.

31:24

Just the New York

31:26

Post. I so

31:28

I think had a better morning. The New York Post.

31:31

I mean, that is flawless.

31:37

You can't do better than that. I

31:40

wanted to ask the group something here

31:42

because, I I legitimately

31:46

think the stuff in sports media's

31:48

interest No one finds journalists more interesting

31:50

than journalists. And so when

31:52

things are happening at ESPN,

31:55

I'm just interested. They are the

31:57

thing in sports that does

31:59

best what we do. It's the household

32:02

name unlike almost any other.

32:04

And so when I read, his pen is

32:06

such a money monster that

32:08

that Disney now is laying off people

32:10

and there are no sacred cows. No sacred.

32:13

Anybody can get laid off. I'm

32:15

interested in that, but I really genuinely

32:17

don't when talking about ESPN wanna

32:20

sound bitter because I'm so grateful

32:22

for what ESPN did for us. But everyone

32:24

saw how we got, like, sort of, belt

32:26

shout the side door because they weren't

32:28

supporting the thing that Jeff Pason wants to come

32:30

and be around because it's goofy and funny. You don't have

32:32

stand on a mark and people are allowed to have fun

32:35

around sports. But don't know how to talk

32:37

about it with I think it's interesting every time.

32:39

Like, oh, wow. They're really going to layoffs

32:42

here. And no sacred cows. I don't believe that.

32:44

They've decided there's no

32:45

way. They normally got to

32:46

be a couple cows that are sacred. Well, Steven and

32:48

I Smith and the high salary, guys. All the

32:50

the the Joe Bucks. But when Chris

32:52

Fowler looks at what Joe Bucks is making and

32:55

says, wait a minute. I've been here.

32:57

I've been here since Galactic Sports America.

33:00

I did a high school show for you guys,

33:03

and I'm making three mil a year. Why

33:05

did Joe Buck get that much?

33:08

And now they're being talked about it. Like, he does

33:10

Wimbledon. That's a hard one to do. And good God

33:12

is he

33:12

prepared. Like, Chris Fowler. He's great.

33:14

He loves it. He is so good at that

33:16

job. But if I'm an ESPN

33:19

and I'm Chris Fowler, I'm making three million a

33:21

year. And they're paying

33:23

everyone else seventeen million. The New York

33:25

Post is reporting while they're

33:27

offering him a small raise. I'm

33:29

Chris Fowler. I'm looking around and saying, well, wait, man,

33:31

why am I not one of your signature

33:33

voices? I do all of your baby accounts.

33:37

Van Pelt is a sacred cow. All the information

33:40

guys are sacred cows. Correct?

33:42

I would say all the information, guys,

33:44

chef, or wage, passing for sure,

33:47

curtain is a sacred cow. Grady seems

33:49

like a cow. Grady. They have, like, four

33:51

or five. That's the model. It's play by play

33:54

information and three to five

33:56

host or we're gonna host everything. Herb Street?

33:58

Yep. I he's he's an

34:00

analyst, but he's safe. But I'm just

34:02

saying, they I told you a while ago

34:04

that my agent told me, I don't know, five or six years

34:06

ago, what they're going to do is get rid of

34:08

the middle class. They're gonna get rid they're

34:10

gonna have, like, ten, six

34:12

high priced stars. Mhmm. And then everyone

34:15

else is going to be disposable and

34:17

and they're gonna get rid of everybody who's

34:19

in the middle

34:20

there, and it's exactly what's happened. It's

34:22

where they're at. Yes. I would imagine Rees

34:24

stay. This is one of those sacred cows. Just guys

34:26

who could host multiple

34:27

events. it. So if Chris Fowler is in

34:29

a sacred cow, like, just for longevity

34:31

expertise, it would be really wrong if he

34:33

left there. Like, they're I think he is

34:36

one of those guys. I do. I mean But

34:38

the New York Post is reporting, like, they're

34:40

putting him as the centerpiece of this is where

34:42

the conflict resides. guy making

34:44

three million dollars a year who's looking at newcomers

34:47

who are being paid seventeen million dollars

34:50

a year to do less of a job, a more important

34:52

job But Joe Buck isn't being

34:54

asked to do Wimbledon on the side.

34:56

He's not being asked to fly to college football

34:59

games throughout Saturdays and, like, work

35:01

through the old EF ESP and ETHOS

35:03

Way of I will work my way up

35:05

from high school sports America --

35:08

Right. -- to the top job I can have at the company

35:10

when I've been here all my life. Representative

35:13

about just doing Monday night football? Do we know

35:15

if he's doing golf? Do we know if he's doing

35:17

major league baseball? Do we know if he's doing any

35:19

of that

35:19

stuff? I'm just

35:20

I don't know. Yeah. I think he's got a production deal,

35:22

and I think he did some of, like, some sidecasts

35:25

for the masters in the PGA championship,

35:27

but this job is as far as I can tell is to

35:29

do Monday night football. Right. And the

35:31

reason why it was so valuable is because

35:33

of the race to

35:35

not only for ESPN Disney to get

35:37

a Super Bowl, which needed to have a top

35:39

level team in order to convince the NFL that they'd

35:41

married it as Super Bowl, but also because ESPN

35:44

has tried any number of Monday Night Football

35:46

variations that in the eyes of these sports

35:49

press didn't work. Also, they're just

35:51

they just bought a booth that they know

35:53

worked, and that was the price

35:55

for

35:55

it. And everyone went nuts,

35:58

but the NFL announceers profited

36:00

more than anyone and I'm not certain that those that

36:02

those two markets are are comparable. think

36:04

they just hope ESPN's hoping that Fowler

36:06

realizes, okay, I get paid a lot to

36:08

do

36:08

this, and I want this job. So,

36:10

like, there's some aspect of it if, like,

36:12

if if you get 2 hay like, I know that it's bad

36:15

business to be like, oh, I'm just gonna be too scared

36:17

to ask for more money, but it gets paid a lot of

36:19

money to do a job that he seems like he loves

36:21

a lot. So it's like if I start going in

36:23

there, all of a sudden I'm gone from that job.

36:25

If I start demanding more money. Well,

36:26

you're gone without having had that job.

36:28

That's right.

36:31

You're the first round of these cuts.

36:33

That's right. That's compatible. And

36:36

it's is it? You were the first

36:38

round of people being fired.

36:39

Was around before we were You were behind

36:41

the

36:42

road. There there has been a lot of

36:44

rounds of layoffs. It's and

36:45

Chris presented the trend.

36:47

Yeah. I think Chris was, like, a fifth round cut.

36:49

You know? Yeah.

36:51

I'm I'm asking the audience

36:52

to make and I'm asking the

36:55

rest of you, is this stuff

36:57

interesting to others? Because it is

36:59

interesting to me that going to on the

37:01

media jobs, media movements. There's

37:03

a whole cottage industry of media reporters

37:06

who who get traffic

37:08

because They report on

37:10

these things. I don't know though as

37:13

we sit here talking. Do

37:16

the people listening to this care

37:19

that Disney and

37:21

ESPN monster money makers

37:24

would possibly get

37:26

rid of Chris Fowler who should be grateful

37:29

that you're saying that he has a job that pays

37:32

a lot of money when Chris Fowler

37:34

just saw somebody come into his company

37:36

and get fourteen more million

37:38

a year who's never worked there. Fourteen

37:41

more million here. Why do you think they would be

37:43

immune to the same things that athletes

37:46

notice in locker rooms about this

37:47

stuff? That Joe for a less not

37:50

a lesser job on A job that requires

37:52

less and has given less to the company.

37:55

I'm certain Fowler notices it.

37:57

I'm certain Fowler is not happy about

37:59

it. But to Chris' point, there

38:03

there's a lot of mile long

38:05

of people waiting to replace Chris

38:07

Fowler at ESPN and say

38:09

for

38:10

Jabok, and would probably do it for less.

38:12

And

38:12

so observe certain followers upset about

38:14

it, but you wanna lose that platform?

38:17

You wanna lose that relevancy? Because

38:19

you being the voice and the face and everything

38:22

of college football for ESPN

38:24

has to have some value to you. It's kinda

38:26

like here 2. I mean, we just signed Pablo

38:28

Torre. I'm not going now. Oh, Pablo just

38:30

signed. I need more like, I'm happy to have this

38:32

job. I get paid well. Like, you know what I mean?

38:34

I feel like it's it's kinda similar to

38:36

that. It's like, yeah, everyone wants more money, but

38:39

Is it practical? Is it or is it deserved?

38:41

Oh, I just think the ego of the vanity business

38:43

and television makes this in a scapable.

38:46

There too. You don't get into television because you don't wanna

38:48

be seen. You don't wanna be famous. You don't wanna be respected.

38:50

don't wanna be paid. You don't wanna cover whatever

38:52

your insecurities are by being important person

38:55

on

38:55

television. Batard do you think if Chris Fowler

38:57

left ESPN and went 2, let's say,

38:59

Fox and became their voice of college

39:01

football, would he get something close to seventeen

39:04

thousand dollars. Talking about the humanity of

39:06

your lifetime employee. You came up,

39:08

like, he is one of the great success

39:10

stories in the history of that company.

39:13

He's been on television for them since he was,

39:15

like, almost a boy. He was, like, nineteen

39:17

years old or something. His whole career

39:20

has been at that place. don't know

39:22

whether that place should value him

39:24

monetarily in a way that gives him seventeen

39:26

million

39:27

dollars. But I'd guess that he thinks his employer

39:29

cares about him. I don't think big business

39:31

cares. And I don't I'm not sure

39:34

America cares about whether

39:36

Chris follows being

39:37

mistreated. Now, I think if

39:39

mistreatment. won't Miss Triton, I just

39:41

saw

39:41

you're paid. Whatever you will. Well, I'm I'm just

39:43

asking, what are you allowed to expect

39:45

from your employer when a whole bunch of people

39:47

are walking through the door? And

39:50

now I'm I'm talking about the the business

39:52

is cutting people. They are

39:54

going, I don't know what that means. Do you guys

39:56

know what it means? Is anyone that's

39:58

going to be fired in the next couple of days going

40:00

to be somebody that people listening to

40:02

this care

40:03

about? I

40:04

think if it's Steven a Smith, America

40:07

goes It's not

40:07

gonna be Steven a Smith? No. But I'm not gonna

40:09

be But if we but I'm using that

40:11

as an example. If it's both if

40:13

it's much below the Steven a Smith level,

40:15

But that's

40:16

the top level, the

40:17

valor. Well, people can't help valor. You're saying

40:19

their NFL run ratable. Everyone else is

40:21

disposable is what you're saying. It's Van Pelt.

40:23

It's it's Steven A Smith and it's

40:25

the broadcasters and everyone else is

40:27

disposable. I'm saying if if it's

40:29

much below Steven A Smith, I don't think people

40:31

pay attention. Meaning kinds,

40:34

I I would pay attention to

40:35

that. I would think it would be terrible. Well, that's

40:37

below Stephen a Smith. Well, but but

40:39

in in in NFL circles,

40:41

I think she's about as good as it gets. I like this game

40:44

though. Let's keep playing. Jason Fitz. Yeah. Mhmm.

40:47

I'm just play I'm not saying I love Jason Fitz.

40:49

I'm just

40:49

What are you doing with Fitz? Yeah. We're

40:52

We're playing the game. Would you react? Does that

40:54

know Greg? I just did. You know what, sir?

40:56

I love Jason

40:57

Fish. I'm sure you do. Good

41:00

save. Love

41:02

that bandie was there. He just asked one band was

41:04

he in?

41:08

I love Jason Fitz.

41:10

Yes. I do. Yeah.

41:11

When I was in when we went up to Bristol,

41:13

he's a really nice guy, Jason. I would put

41:15

him in my

41:16

top five nicest people at ESPN.

41:18

So are you 2 meet us? We're, like,

41:21

oh, who'd enter that list together. Let me see what you got.

41:23

Kirsty and

41:23

Lisa is up there. Mhmm. The guy that was just

41:25

here. Jeff Passett is

41:27

up there. Tim Kirchett is up

41:30

there. Yeah. Kirchett. That's

41:32

four, Reese Davis. Oh, Reese.

41:35

Fantastic. And Linda cone. I mean,

41:37

they're Oh, yeah. Yeah. Linda cone. Yeah.

41:40

What's your list?

41:43

Your fingers are yellow. It's

41:46

always glowy. So we're glowy.

41:49

Why? How many cigarettes are you smoking?

41:51

It's this yellow pad. It's this pinky pad.

41:54

Oh, yeah. Sticks to your taser in my

41:56

bed. Excuse me. Yeah.