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No,

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they

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were all right. The offer

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wasn't good enough. Arrogance.

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Oh, vanity. One of the seven deadly sins.

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One of the seven deadly sins. Lucillo

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got her ass.

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He looks so good in that jersey. Oh,

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he does. It's such a sin. My

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eyes don't even have to adjust to the pleaser color

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way. It's so perfect. Now

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I want to. I

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was getting those arguments yesterday.

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I was getting those arguments from the people.

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They're like look at Drew's Look at Drew's

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holidays three-point percentage Look

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at his age Look at the fact

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that he's not Damien Lillard. I mean called him a

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corpse yesterday. Oh,

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which seems unreasonable and emotional

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God commentary. I can't believe we're

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doing this show

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I thought we were just gonna have a cocky parade

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right across the street, but this

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was our birthright.

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This was What what we

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earned

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by just being us? this

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is a hugely interesting

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story to me from a number of different angles

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that I imagine we will carry throughout

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the show today because The

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Marlins are playing the most interesting

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week of baseball that they have had

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in a while They can't catch

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a break with these news stories The

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Dolphins score 70, but you say they can't

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catch a break because this is this represents

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a difference in my lifetime That

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I couldn't have seen coming because the

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Dolphins are coming off of 70 and go

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into Buffalo for a hugely fascinating

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game But we have watched

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over the years here the way the transaction

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has usurped the action and

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what I am Kind of floored

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by is that we are doing a

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show today That feels like

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the kind of show you would do after

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a finals game because

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what this organization has taught us when

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they brought LeBron Dwayne and Bosch together

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and put it in an unreasonable place and What

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cost them now as Portland says no

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the player doesn't have the power the organization

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has the power is that the

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transaction is so fascinating and

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This one which has

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a surprise in it, which is a bit rare

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Because a lot of the reporting before Milwaukee

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appeared yesterday was still a big how

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Miami was the team, but here's what

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happened here, and I'm gonna try and give you

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this as accurately reported

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as I can with actual information

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here. Well what I'm telling you is that I

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don't have the whole truth. I

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have one version of the truth,

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which is the Heat's version

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of what they think happened here. I

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don't have the other side, but

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this is what I will tell you I

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think happened based on

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how the Heat feel about this as we talk

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today. They don't know

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what Portland was thinking because

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Portland wasn't communicating, so

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I'm of the belief that once

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this got into the Portland organization

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and they felt the hurt and betrayal of what

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do you mean Dame our guy now

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says he just wants to go to Miami

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and says it so publicly that he's

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neutered our ability in a trade market.

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I believe Portland said right then and

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there in cutting off communication

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with Miami the best offer

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will be not Miami's

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offer or necessarily the best offer.

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What we're looking for is and

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only is the best offer

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that's not Miami. And

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so where Miami lands with this is

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petty and spite and those things, but

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is it petty and spite if you have a player under

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contract? And what you say

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is we don't care about the best offer

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it's not going to be better enough for

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us to say yeah do whatever you want.

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We're going to take the best offer that's not Miami

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and we're going to go to the league and we're going to get the league to

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start investigating and saying players can't do this.

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They can't take away all our trade leverage. You

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don't just get the player because the player wants it and another

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team wants it. You don't get to take the power from

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Portland that way. That's what I

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think happened here because the

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Heat don't know what Portland

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is thinking here because there wasn't talk back

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and forth about what Portland was thinking. Heat

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fans have always said they want a guy. Say

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you want to be here demand to be here and it

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seems like it backfired. He said it

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too passionately He didn't say it nearly

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passionate. He didn't say it to the right guy. He said

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it to the other guy Which got the other guy

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mad? I'm so sad.

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Do we owe a Wojin apology? Yes as

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a show

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My question is why were Miami

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fans so certain? Yeah, they were

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not getting any of this feedback

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from Portland like a month ago.

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We were like, oh, it's just it's

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gonna happen When whoa is like as

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accurate as anybody if you would have said to me who in sports

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is the best at this? I would have been like whoa, just I was pretty

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right. Well, I want to find out what it is Rucillo

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said because I have not heard I know

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Mike and Rucillo go back and forth I've

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never had any issues whatsoever

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with Rucillo So what

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tell me what he said so I have some information

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here on what it is that I'm reacting to well We have

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we have video that we're gonna queue it up momentarily,

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but I made the mistake of Seeing

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that he put our name in his mouth and

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then I just got emotional because I Don't

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have to put everything on air and every problem that I've had with

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Ryan Rucillo I've I've done the thing where I've gone directly

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to him, which is not something he likes to do But

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he knows exactly where my issues are. But

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then I saw the clip and I realized

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oh he got our ass No, he's absolutely

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right here. And maybe that wasn't

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a right time for my emotional leak out. Here is Ryan

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No, I'll say before just before you play

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it I do want to preface on the front end of this

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because if I'm gonna get into one of these media

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beefs or if I'm going to be publicly

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wrong with With this crew

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of people I want to make sure that everybody

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knows on the front end Nothing, but respect

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for Ryan Rucillo does his job exceptionally

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well Super informed on

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basketball things works super

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super hard and has earned everything

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that he has So I doubt I'm gonna have very much

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too bad to say about Rucillo here. Go ahead and

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play it I'm sorry. I have to do

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it because I couldn't believe it when it happened But

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Woah, just came on and said very

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simply

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Simply,

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Portland doesn't like the offers. They're

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going to see what happens. Dan

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Levittard said this about Woge, quote,

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thank you for bringing up Woge. The heat know

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that he's just agenda based shilling

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bought and paid for by Portland. It's

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embarrassing that Woge is telling people it

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might be weeks or months on Lillard. That

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was on July 17, bought

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and paid for.

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I'm like, man, if you're gonna pick a fight, pick

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somebody who gets wrong,

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not Woge. And here we are weeks,

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months later, and it wasn't Miami.

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Yeah, fair criticism. I will go

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back to that show that

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we were talking and remember the details

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on that show where the next day

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you remember I got aggregated and the

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next day I came in and I said, well, I

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thought I had mentioned and said to

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everybody involved that this is the heat's position

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on this, that Woge is bought

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and paid for, that Woge is somebody

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who's doing the bidding of Portland on this so that

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it's not the truth that's getting out there. It's

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Portland's truth because nobody has Miami's

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truth. But it is fair criticism

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to say because there is more context

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to that if you listen to all of the sound, but

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it is fair criticism to say that

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I got it wrong on weeks and

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months being embarrassing. I will not

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pull back though on how it is that

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Woge gets some of his information. He was

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doing the only information that was

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out there was the information that

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Portland wanted out there. When

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someone says they hate to do this, do

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they? Oh no, those guys love to do that. But

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this is one of the reasons that this is so fun,

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right? When I tell you that yesterday felt

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like a finals game, it's right there, man.

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When the stakes get ratcheted up to the country

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is laughing at a fan

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base's pain. That's

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one of the most, look, Jessica's hiding the smile

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on her face under her hair like every

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time this happens every time this happens to Miami

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this is the most I don't know we

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talked the other day a meme said what's more fun

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loving or hating yeah have you seen the meme

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of the two people fighting and then there's just

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that one dude on a bong loving life that's

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metal arc media and ringer just like no the offer

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is good no he can't go to Miami because we're South

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Expans and meanwhile Milwaukee gets

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him for nothing and Milwaukee's

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the best team in the Eastern Conference. Let's

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backtrack for just a second here because this

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part the human parts of this to me

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are fascinating okay we

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remember daily Damien Lillard's start

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in Portland it was adorable he comes on

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our show when he's telling us about after

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his first contract he's still trying to save

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money on valets parking in different places

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because he's new to the fun

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of stardom you develop not

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only a relationship with a city

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and its customers you develop

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a real and human relationship

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with the people you are working for and

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around you in the front office

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like interactive you know

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these people you know their families

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this is your city like this is what

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the players are trading when they

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transact and make it this coldly I

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want to leave this fan base that loves me

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they're leaving an organization

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where you know the people in the hallways

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you know the people who clean the lockers you know

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all of this stuff Damien Lillard

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said he wanted out and said

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he wanted out to those people who run the organization

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and need to get the best offer only

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to Miami Damien Lillard

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although there was a report that ten days ago

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his agents started reaching out to the Nets

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and the Bucks and you know they would go there I

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saw a video from all-star

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last year where Giannis picked him first

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on his all-star team and reports

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that they've been kind of flirting about this time

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kind of situation for a while

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Dan

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it's not just that they

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made Miami worse that they made Milwaukee

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a good deal better. But I just want to go- They made

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Milwaukee a great deal better. And Dan,

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they also put themselves in a situation where like,

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there's a lot of incomplete grades on

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this move for Portland. They get the Andre

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Aiten, you can look at his averages and say, what's

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the problem with that? That's a good player. But

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Phoenix was in a real rush to get rid

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of them. And Amin said that they've upgraded.

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Addition by subtraction and Nerkich actually fits

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their roster better. Now they've acquired

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Drew Holliday. And on a smaller scale, they

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found themselves in the exact same situation. A

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lame duck situation, which they don't have

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leverage because they know Drew Holliday

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doesn't fit their plans. So if they're going to do

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all of this, for one draft pick,

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it's a little frustrating. Now where my frustration

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lies is, yeah, I know that

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they didn't want to establish a precedent that Damien Lillard

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gets his way at 33 years old. I'm only going to one

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team. I understand how that opens up a can of worms

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for folks. My problem is the Miami Heat,

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not being more aggressive because they finally

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had the player play ball. So what? You

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finally got your draft capital back. You

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go and get this guy. You

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lost Gabe Vincent. You lost Max

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Truce. You're counting on yet again, the growth

15:10

and development of your organization to

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turn guys in to Gabe Vincent and

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Max Truce. But the fact is,

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once again, the Eastern Conference has gotten better in

15:19

off season and Miami misses out

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on a whale. The Blazers also got a

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car.

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Camara.

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Has Camaro jokes? No, nothing. They

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got a guy named Camara. We lost

15:30

out on a whale! You wanted to get in

15:32

with that? I

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was like, yeah. That's

15:37

what you wanted to get in with? And

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tard! Did you watch me during the

16:42

C-State? I was all ACC. I don't

16:46

have necessarily the mobility, but no one

16:48

can see over the line like me. Michael,

16:52

the ACC Network job is a good job.

16:54

It's a stable job. I'm ready to pack it in.

16:57

I've got a lot of good football left in me. My

16:59

footwork is underrated. I can

17:02

step up in the pocket with the best of them.

17:05

No one can scare them. The field like me. But

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wouldn't it be nice to be around the family more often

17:10

and not have to worry about any injuries? Babe,

17:12

just give me one more season. Still

17:14

gots. Tell you what, I'm not going

17:17

to therapy. I'm not. Therapy

17:19

is not happening. Sorry. You

17:22

need to work on you. There's

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one person pulling the rope for this family right here

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app to check it out. My

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point that I was headed to before Mike's

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emotion derails everything

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here. because his criticism

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admittedly when it comes, yes,

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Chris Cody, Penalty Box, the group has spoken.

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Nobody else thought it was a car. That was terrible. The

18:09

group has spoken, the joke's so bad, you

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get a rare loser game show sound

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and get out of here to the Penalty

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Box. Mike Ryan's analysis,

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like a lot of the Miami Heat

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fans analysis, is going to

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be an anger tantrum, we

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didn't get the guy, we deserve the guy, why

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are we so arrogant, why are we not more

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aggressive? Brian Windhorst is now saying,

18:32

and I don't know what the deal was, I've never said

18:34

what the deal was, no one's accurately reported

18:36

as far as I can tell what the deal is because Windhorst

18:39

is on saying he doesn't know if

18:41

Tyler Herro was ever in the deal. I

18:43

don't know what was offered. Well Tyler did

18:45

have a very curious tweet that would

18:47

suggest either he doesn't read

18:50

the internet at all or

18:53

that he wasn't in the deal because

18:55

Jimmy Butler posted his Instagram

18:57

post of the, they should

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investigate the Bucks for tampering and

19:02

I don't know if that was a kazoo type. Bless

19:04

you. And I don't know if that was a sarcastic dig at how the

19:06

league got involved a month and a

19:09

half ago on the Heat's behalf

19:11

saying this can't stand or if there's actually

19:13

legitimacy behind that.

19:16

Tyler Herro retweeted with comment

19:19

what he said, which is kind

19:21

of weird, he's co-signing on it's unfair

19:23

that the Bucks got Damian Lillard when he was the guy

19:25

that was rumored to be at the centerpiece of the pack. And so

19:28

because I don't know what the deal is and because

19:30

no one's confirmed accurately what

19:32

the deal is, now you have Windhorst who's also

19:34

credible saying he doesn't know the Tyler,

19:37

no one's confirmed whether Tyler Herro was ever

19:39

in the deal or not. And if they weren't more

19:41

aggressive in that regard that seems

19:44

somewhat silly. I want to go back though

19:47

to what I was talking about partnerships and

19:49

the way these relationships are born

19:51

because the relationship that Portland

19:54

had with Lillard, both of

19:56

them can feel like they were responsible

19:58

for each other's success. success, okay?

20:01

This ended up breaking up Brady and Belichick

20:04

at the end because of how these office dynamics

20:06

and the relationships work. But Lillard

20:08

is trying to keep his relationship with the

20:10

city and the organization

20:14

while putting the organization in

20:16

the bad spot of, I will only

20:18

go here. And when

20:21

you do that, you reduce your

20:23

organization's ability to conjure

20:25

throughout the summer quietly, good offers.

20:28

Damien took the power, thought, or

20:30

tried to, with Miami's help, to

20:33

take the power from Portland. And Portland

20:35

wasn't answering the phone. Portland's

20:37

like, no, we're not. No, you're

20:39

not. You don't get the power here. Hard

20:42

stop. And so they were just chilling for

20:44

a couple of months while all these reports

20:46

are out there that seem like just posturing

20:49

and leveraging media partners, but

20:51

they ended up being real. The Raptors were

20:53

involved and the Bucks ended up being the destination.

20:56

They just sat idly by. They

20:58

didn't want to play the game of, okay, maybe we'll

21:00

throw another first round pick because if you see what he got,

21:03

what Cronin got for this

21:05

package, and you see what entities like the

21:07

Ringer and ESPN, they

21:10

filled months of programming with this and all

21:12

their hypothetical trade scenarios, it

21:14

all had bevy of picks going

21:16

back to Portland. They got

21:19

one low first round draft

21:21

pick and a couple of picks swaps. They won't actually

21:23

execute and they have an asset

21:26

in Drew Holiday that is depreciating

21:29

and they're out of leverage there too. When

21:31

Roy comes on and yells

21:34

yesterday during the thing

21:36

that we did to give you our confused

21:38

tears live as soon as the news

21:41

broke, and I'm telling you, it felt like

21:43

losing a finals game. Tens

21:46

of thousands of people were gathered around the television, wherever

21:54

it is that they view what

21:56

we do simply because they

21:59

wanted to know what our pain and

22:01

confusion looked like and

22:03

Roy yelled

22:06

spite

22:07

and a mean who sounded hurt and angry

22:09

a mean who's

22:12

in the tank for the heat but shouldn't

22:15

have sounded hurt and angry he

22:18

called Portland petty and

22:21

I ask you the question if you have a human

22:23

relationship with someone like Damian

22:25

Lillard throughout your building and

22:28

he has now made it harder for you

22:30

to get what's best for your organization

22:32

because of what he wants has

22:35

that organization been petty is

22:37

it petty to react to Damian

22:39

Lillard wanting the power his agent wanting the power

22:42

and then Pat Riley and Mickey Harrison and

22:44

the heat organization want link wanting

22:46

Portland's power and saying you have no leverage

22:48

here we have the leverage and they're saying we

22:51

have him under contract is it

22:53

petty for them to say now you

22:55

know what we're gonna do best offer

22:57

that's not Miami we're not going to work

23:00

with Miami we're not going to try and flip Tyler

23:02

hero to some other organization that

23:04

needs Tyler hero more if if indeed he

23:06

was in the offer always some excuse

23:09

man this is dating back years

23:11

I try to rattle off all the whales that

23:13

they missed out on and I always end up forgetting

23:16

like five of them the hell they

23:18

even miss out on Jimmy Butler the first pass

23:21

because they didn't want to give up Josh Richardson and

23:23

he ends up giving another one of his years to his prime

23:25

to a Philadelphia team that that was that close now

23:28

you have Josh Richard we're spoiled with that though that

23:30

argument that we never get a whale we've gotten the

23:32

whale way more there's like more than

23:34

half the league never gets anyone what

23:37

I'm just saying when is it where's Orlando's

23:39

whale where's the Wizards whale

23:42

dude we're sitting here saying we never get the

23:44

whale we got Jimmy we got the big three

23:46

I'm just I'm frustrated too but you can't

23:49

say we don't get the whale what look well

23:51

Washington was one of the teams that remember

23:53

we miss out on Westbrook twice not that that would have been

23:55

a good move I'm not yes we don't get

23:58

every single big free agent no not not even

24:00

free agent we don't get anybody that we're actually targeting

24:02

in the trade market anymore we don't

24:05

it's a great call by Chris Cody I mean it's just

24:07

got the three biggest whales at once at

24:09

once and I'm spoiled and I feel

24:11

entitled where's one thing well well

24:14

you

24:14

guys are so spoiled I'm like

24:16

angry sitting here because you had two teams in

24:18

the finals this year you have a football team that scored 70

24:21

points you have a football team that's undefeated

24:24

college basketball teams in the elite age

24:25

just be happy just be happy where you might

24:27

be the best time in South Florida sports history

24:29

one of them right now one of them was in the final floor

24:32

if we're looking at all the team

24:33

actually won anything in the last year

24:35

that is a really close brink of not making the playoffs

24:39

wait a minute you better slow your

24:41

role with your cubs that was a bad move

24:44

by you you allowed me the opening there with your

24:46

cubs your cubs you cannot trust the cubs

24:48

you can't trust them but your

24:51

pirates your no

24:54

the cubs

24:54

sting I saw a stat today that like the Cubs

24:56

have blown more games that they were

24:58

winning in the eighth inning or later than any

25:00

other team since like the 1950s or

25:02

something like that it's just pathetic Scott

25:04

Frost they are the Scott Frost

25:06

of baseball team why

25:09

isn't Pat Riley able to do what he did 12

25:11

years ago anymore

25:14

why because LeBron Wade and

25:17

Bob I know they took the assets but they've rebuilt the assets

25:20

they rebuilt them

25:21

so Donovan Mitchell nothing James

25:23

Harden twice nothing Kevin Durant nothing

25:25

Bradley Beal we didn't want to give up Bradley Beal

25:27

and that was a spending thing and that's also part

25:29

of this I want to know I want to know who

25:31

we didn't give up because I you're saying that

25:33

there was just no communication and that our offer

25:36

but if you're the heat

25:38

you need to be more proactive on that like you

25:40

just got to keep throwing off even if they're not responding

25:43

if this is like about keeping Caleb Martin this is

25:45

not a good look for this is no this is

25:47

your reaction okay I look man

25:49

I think people understand the way this

25:52

part of it goes this

25:54

is where we value Damien

25:56

Lillard everywhere ticket sales

25:59

merch sales championship sales

26:01

as a business, this is where we

26:03

place the value on somebody who's gonna cost

26:06

us 219 million dollars and

26:08

I know you guys think it's easy

26:11

to trade Dion Waiters

26:13

and Hassan Whiteside and any contract

26:15

but I will tell you that one of the things that I heard

26:18

yesterday on is Portland

26:20

being petty was the idea are they still

26:22

mad that we dumped Whiteside on them? Dan

26:25

I'm trade machining but he healed right

26:27

now. I'm in a bad way. But what I would

26:29

say to you is if you place a value on someone

26:32

and you've got an unwilling or

26:35

a reticent negotiating partner

26:37

that has contract

26:39

power and is willing to break the

26:41

standard of we don't send the star wherever

26:44

the star wants to go we're gonna keep

26:46

the power what do you do

26:49

if as I've been telling you for a

26:51

week now they set the value

26:53

on X and said we're not

26:55

going over this to get a 33

26:58

year old star who by the day is getting

27:01

older and that contract becomes more difficult

27:03

when we already have Lowry and Butler's

27:06

big contracts after 35 that

27:08

are going to be problematic as well. I know everyone

27:10

thinks it's easy to just trade Hassan

27:13

Whiteside and Dion Waiters and reinvent

27:15

yourself with a bunch of players like Jimmy

27:17

Butler but the truth is somewhere

27:20

in the middle Mike between your spoiled and entitled

27:23

and there is reason to criticize that they

27:26

swing and miss recently a lot

27:28

in places where they could get their team better

27:30

and the offseason instead of feeling like

27:33

huge excitement of we get to again

27:35

add the big giant name you

27:38

settle for Drew Holliday who yesterday on

27:40

the show a meme called him a corpse which

27:43

I thought was terrible analysis. Is that a real

27:45

thing? Is that a real thing? That's good analysis

27:47

Tony. Yeah Dan I've said I've stayed quiet

27:50

for the last 20 minutes because obviously as you see I'm in

27:52

mourning I'm an all-black but I've realized a couple

27:54

things that I've been writing down one

27:56

I wrote down haters

27:58

you know what that means Dan?

27:59

Everybody here is

28:01

a hater, okay? Ryan Risillo,

28:03

which who I love by the way, I love Ryan Risillo He bought me

28:06

a Chris a beer in Manhattan Beach. He's a mayor of Manhattan

28:08

Beach. Love the guy, but he's

28:10

a hater the ringer or haters I

28:14

I don't want to say it,

28:15

but I will

28:16

Damien Lillard hater What

28:20

do you mean hater and listen to this Dan

28:22

if you want to go down this if you want to go down this rabbit Hole with

28:24

me for a second. I wrote down another thing sigh

28:27

up Okay, okay,

28:30

let's go back asking but go

28:32

ahead. Let's go back to what just said earlier this segment

28:36

2022 all-star game who was Yannis his

28:38

first pick?

28:40

Damien Lillard and Steve Martin also

28:42

right, but no I'm getting to a point here. Well. He's right

28:44

you wrote down other points to remain Let my boy

28:46

cook Tony wants

28:49

the ball Damien Lillard is doing

28:50

the Poirot. You've got to set the table.

28:52

Yes. I'm setting the table Thank you. I'm going back to things that

28:54

were said earlier in the segment Damien

28:56

Lillard was the first pick from Yannis you've been

28:58

just to be clear just to set this up properly

29:01

You have spent 20 minutes through song

29:04

and tears you have been quiet

29:06

you have been observing You have been preparing

29:08

for this moment You've been taking notes

29:11

so that when the microphone swung to you you

29:13

would have written down rebuttals

29:15

for all the haters underlying haters again People

29:20

hate Miami that's the number one thing

29:22

right because I got number one and number two number one people hate

29:24

my See us win Jessica agrees

29:27

with you there They love

29:29

to see us lose. They love to be have

29:31

us in black mourning the chance You know all

29:33

that stuff they love it

29:34

because they hate us it is good though You

29:36

have to admit that if hating is fun in sports

29:39

and enjoying another team's fan bases

29:42

pain is fun It is even more

29:44

fun to enjoy Miami's

29:47

pain because partially are much better. That's actually

29:49

our fault right no It's mostly our

29:52

it is not our fault Dan No

29:54

one else careful Okay, let's get back

29:56

to the staff, but it is mostly our fault. I'm not

29:58

gonna put it all on mike, but mike does speak

30:01

why would it be my fault I'll tell you

30:03

why I will tell you why because

30:06

Lucy's reaction and Jessica's reaction

30:09

and Chris's reaction and the country's

30:11

reaction is the same to what do you mean

30:13

Miami never gets the guy like

30:15

what the hell are you talking about how

30:18

many fan bases go their entire decades

30:20

and decades and decades and never get the guy

30:23

like not not like they got three of the

30:25

guys 12 years ago and then got Jimmy

30:27

Butler like what are you talking about it's a level

30:29

of spoil that has no in

30:31

this market has no precedent the point

30:33

is who cares about them

30:35

it's us we care about us we care about Miami

30:37

that's the number one point who cares about Minnesota

30:41

or the Washington Wizards of Sacramento Kings who cares

30:43

about them it's about Miami back to the SIOP

30:46

2022 all-star game Damien Lillard number one pick

30:48

to Giannis

30:49

what if it was the Bucks

30:52

all along

30:54

right what if instead of Damien

30:56

Lillard coming out and saying I only want to go to Miami

30:59

of course Portland would never agree to that if he

31:01

came out and said what if I want to go to Milwaukee would

31:04

Miami be on the table right now with a better offer

31:06

and would Damien Lillard be here instead of Milwaukee what

31:09

if it was Giannis who in the middle of the summer

31:12

said what I'll leave I don't care I'll

31:15

leave a couple weeks ago out of nowhere he said

31:17

I'll leave I'll leave somewhere else I don't care they

31:19

better get better they better get better and the

31:21

whole thing was Damien Lillard was waiting in the wings the

31:23

entire time using Miami as a stalking horse

31:26

for Milwaukee to lower their asset level

31:28

to be like hey you know what corpse a true holiday we'll

31:30

send Grayson out over to Phoenix hey

31:33

Portland what if you get DeAndre and what about

31:35

that one they're like oh yes we love

31:37

big men that we don't know what to do with perfect

31:40

so Damien Lillard it

31:42

was the Bucks all along sigh up from them

31:44

it

31:46

all equals haters the formula does the

31:48

formula does all yes

31:57

now now I understand in ways like

31:59

all

31:59

All the reporting I was doing, I hate

32:02

reporting. I do not like making

32:04

information calls and just milking

32:07

people for information, but I had it all

32:09

wrong and you have it all right. You

32:11

see it in a way no one has seen

32:13

it. And furthermore,

32:16

you are right that if the

32:18

bucks, if he said, I only go to Milwaukee,

32:21

maybe they do try and get in and say, what about

32:23

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Don Libba-tard! I read his

33:33

lips and it sounded like he was saying, what?

33:36

You want to f***ing fight me now? But

33:38

I'm telling you, if you look, we can play a game right now. The

33:40

lips look the same on fight you

33:43

and failure. Watch my lips. I'm

33:45

gonna turn off my mic. No, I just said... I want you guys

33:47

to tell me I'm saying fight you or

33:49

failure. Okay.

33:55

Yeah, yeah. Why are your

33:57

ideas always so bad for the podcast? Audio.

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I hear you go. Do it again.

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Fight

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I just imagine a huge

34:42

cocktail party with Cronin, the ringer

34:44

staff, and Woad walking in

34:46

like that Roy Williams shift. Yeah.

34:54

And it was... All laughing at you. Yeah, I

34:57

was so... We are hypocrites because we're like, you have

34:59

an agenda. What? We're

35:01

like literally a sown's throw away from

35:03

people. We're right there. We're

35:05

right there. The people who went to heat, they work right

35:07

across. You have an agenda. They

35:10

work right across. Who's the point guard on this team?

35:13

Well, Kyle Lowry has a value now. Wolf. No,

35:17

maybe go on trackage. I don't know. Oh dear

35:19

God. Come on. What are you doing? What

35:21

am I doing? I'm just saying

35:23

what they're doing. What are they doing?

35:26

What is the best of the reactions

35:28

that you guys saw? Because I don't know

35:30

what generally happens around here. I'd

35:33

be curious for Jessica

35:35

and Lucy's perspective on this

35:38

because what often happens

35:40

around here. This has been 12 years

35:42

of this very aggressive sports fandom

35:45

around this team. And when

35:48

there's winning, you view all of the

35:50

post games and you keep it and you can't sleep

35:52

at night. You're enjoying it. And when you lose, you turn the

35:54

televisions off. When you lose in the finals,

35:56

you don't even want to see the parade. You turn the televisions

35:59

off and stay away from. your devices for a couple

36:01

of days. I'm curious

36:03

what the reaction around here was yesterday

36:06

because the stakes felt like a

36:08

finals game and because you knew that

36:10

one of the consequences is everybody laughs

36:13

at you because that's where the heat have been for 12 years. You

36:15

either win or everyone laughs at you. You

36:18

think that they were hiding? Do you think that they were

36:21

in their mentions? Do you think that they were aggressively

36:23

seeking out people who were seeking

36:25

out their tears?

36:27

My first reaction was I was scared

36:29

because I've had a hard time getting people to be nice

36:31

to me in Miami. They're definitely not going to

36:33

be nice now. They're going to be even meaner and craker

36:36

than normal. I'm terrified.

36:38

Yeah.

36:39

They're going to be, they're already pretty moody

36:41

our entire community. I just can't believe how wrong

36:43

all of you were. You were so wrong. So

36:45

wrong.

36:46

So wrong. I think it was like a month

36:48

ago I came in here and I was like, so

36:51

what's the deal? When is this trade going to happen?

36:54

And every single person here was like, oh, it's going to

36:56

happen. It's going to happen.

36:57

It happened. It didn't happen.

36:59

It

37:00

didn't happen, guys. You guys were all

37:02

so wrong.

37:03

Your smile, the

37:06

amount of pleasure that you specifically

37:08

are deriving at the center of our show,

37:11

that is good. No, but you have it exactly

37:13

correctly identified. Yes. Everything

37:16

that happened around here was wrong. Look at Chris

37:18

Cody. He's nowhere near a microphone. Can

37:20

we get this damn Lillard picture off

37:23

here? It's just making me furious.

37:25

I mean, it looks fantastic in it and

37:27

it's just I'm done with it. All right. The

37:29

bits done. The song's over. Get all these

37:31

stupid pictures off here. Let's move on. Can we talk

37:33

to Marlin? Jesus Christ. Every team is great right

37:36

now down here. Why are we sad? What? The

37:38

Dolphins are great. The Marlins are in a playoff hunt. The Heat

37:40

made the finals last year. We are good. All

37:43

right. I'm

37:44

not sad at all. Lucy, did you just say thank you because it sounds like

37:46

you want to be positive about sports, but it sounds like Jessica's

37:49

positive about sports. Sit a little while

37:51

and how wrong you guys were. Come

37:52

join me in her positivity is making me

37:54

feel better. Honestly, because someone's

37:56

nice here. Someone's enjoying this moment

37:59

and I'm happy.

37:59

Three Lillerts! One

38:02

would be fine! Well, that's how

38:04

all this started because Mike in 2010 got

38:06

three Lillerts and now he wants all of them every

38:09

time they become available. Built

38:11

not bought. That's

38:14

one of the funny things that's going to happen

38:16

here.

38:19

Lillard and Yannis are

38:22

famously loyal guys who

38:24

stayed with their teams to win and didn't join

38:27

any of the super teams and now you've got two

38:29

of the famously loyal guys that everybody

38:32

kind of likes. The country just

38:34

roots for those guys in general. They've

38:36

done it the right way. I admire them. They're

38:38

obviously stars and as

38:41

the super teams fight, Milwaukee's

38:44

the favorite now, right? I mean, I thought

38:46

Milwaukee was better than Miami all of... Milwaukee

38:49

was better than Miami all of last year until

38:51

they played five games in the playoffs. What's

38:53

the thing? The most poisonous reaction

38:55

outside of Blazers fans, which were

38:58

getting mad at the wrong people I

39:00

think because the media was telling them something

39:02

and Miami hadn't, according to you, Miami hadn't spoken

39:04

to Portland in quite some time,

39:07

is everybody was so united

39:09

in that team can't

39:12

get that guy.

39:13

Whatever it takes. Let's

39:16

write a bunch of articles. Let's

39:18

have a million draft picks going to Portland. Let's

39:20

make it really look like Miami's got

39:22

nothing to offer here because we are screwed

39:25

if this team that went to the NBA Finals

39:28

adds Damian Lilly. Isn't that fair from them though?

39:30

I mean, they be doing that? It's weird

39:33

because they didn't keep their eye on the ball because their

39:35

teams

39:36

also suffer from this because Milwaukee

39:38

is a damn good now.

39:40

Damn good. What they were lacking

39:42

and you saw it with their superstar that

39:45

almost threw the ball out of bounds. Yes,

39:47

he had a great NBA Finals play through

39:50

injury, but

39:51

he's afraid of going to the line. He doesn't

39:53

have that killer instinct and what Damian

39:55

Lillard brings to that team was something that

39:57

was sorely missing from them. second

40:00

just to backtrack and take

40:03

a close look at the fact that your

40:05

when Tony says the haters your

40:08

love of seeing Miami

40:11

lose if you're a basketball fan must

40:14

be pretty damn strong if your

40:16

reaction is happiness that Miami

40:18

is embarrassed today when Milwaukee is

40:21

better with Lillard than Miami would be

40:23

with Lillard they they just built

40:25

a super team

40:27

and no one's mad about it

40:29

like that's not usually how that

40:31

one goes when someone gets to a super

40:34

team and they become the reason

40:36

the reason Mike was so emboldened with the arrogance

40:39

and I want to get to the persecution complex in

40:41

a second is because the hatred started

40:43

of Miami with Oh LeBron

40:46

Bosh

40:47

wait now we can talk all our shit no

40:50

one's gonna beat us and the rest of the league knew it and

40:53

got mad at that because it's not fair it's

40:55

not fair for one team to have all the guys

40:58

everyone got mad at it when it was Kevin Durant going

41:00

to Golden State but we found the two

41:02

guys when the organization gets the power back

41:05

we found the two guys who everyone's

41:08

gonna like as a super team

41:10

like nobody's gonna have any objection Milwaukee

41:12

is better than everybody Milwaukee

41:14

I thought should have won the title last year I

41:17

thought they were better than everyone all

41:19

of last year and it was

41:21

one of the biggest surprises of my career

41:23

to see that Miami Heat team not

41:25

only beat them but beat them in five games it made

41:28

no sense to me and now you add

41:30

Lillard what did the betting odds how

41:32

did the betting odds change on

41:34

Milwaukee as a betting favorite

41:36

because I would assume no matter how loudly

41:39

Phoenix is doing things that

41:42

the Milwaukee Bucks are now a

41:45

prohibitive favorite I would think

41:47

because I thought that

41:50

Milwaukee was the best team in

41:52

the league last year I wanted to watch

41:54

a Milwaukee Denver final because

41:56

I thought Giannis was already better

41:59

than Denver