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crown is yours guys I'd

2:09

like to take you inside

2:11

someone's living room Because when

2:13

you have parties for an

2:15

event and this happens whether it's the

2:17

Academy Awards Whether it's a draft party

2:19

whether it's a political party. This happens

2:21

every night of an election Everybody's having

2:24

a party and it either becomes a

2:26

celebration where people are dancing to Pearl

2:28

Jam or it becomes a morgue where

2:30

everyone just leaves because there's total

2:32

despondency. I was brought in my

2:34

head last night into the home

2:36

of Shadoor Sanders who did not

2:38

show up in Green Bay. Didn't

2:41

want to go. Sort of the anti -Cam Ward

2:43

who loved being in Green Bay was super

2:45

excited to be in Green Bay. I

2:48

don't like Cam Ward anymore for that. Hates

2:50

Green Bay. But Shadoor Sanders,

2:52

nothing. And he knew it

2:54

was coming. He had to have

2:56

he fell out of the

2:58

top first round his draft

3:00

Kings odds to go below

3:02

14 was minus 450 there

3:04

did there did feel like

3:06

there was a momentum building

3:08

to Hold on this may not

3:10

go so well for him. I mean

3:12

heck when we were talking to

3:14

Diana yesterday She made it sound like

3:17

it was totally possible That he slips

3:19

to the second minute sound probable in

3:21

a sense because when we brought up

3:23

Pittsburgh And it was sort

3:25

of like this tepid response of,

3:27

well, maybe, and that that would be

3:29

probably the highest place that Shudder

3:31

could go. So my query is, do

3:34

cancel the party? Before

3:37

the party starts do cancel the party before

3:39

the draft starts you're getting all these people

3:41

if you know You're you're trying to win

3:43

best actor and you know you're losing you're

3:45

just happy to be nominated You're gonna have

3:47

a full party It makes it more sad

3:49

though if he's just alone in his house

3:51

on a couch that's regardless They're gonna want

3:53

a shot of him so you might as

3:55

well have it look like festive I would

3:57

say I would say a little bit of

3:59

it depends on who you are inviting to your

4:01

party if your party is all of

4:03

your family and closest friends No, you'd like

4:05

to be around the people that care

4:07

about you and you care about if things

4:09

don't go well. Maybe you want to

4:11

be around people who you love, but if

4:13

it's a whole - Sponsors, that

4:15

kind of deal. You may want to pull

4:17

the plug on that. Because you're concerned

4:19

that you won't react well? Maybe. Because they're

4:22

going to keep going to you and

4:24

take a photo of you as one pick

4:26

gets called, then another pick gets called,

4:28

and you're still sitting there. That's one of

4:30

the great visuals of any draft, is

4:32

players who go, that's why players often don't

4:34

want to go to the draft. Well,

4:36

I think that's why Schraderding want to go

4:39

to the draft. you imagine him still

4:41

sitting there? Because you know the television cameras

4:43

would have loved nothing. more than let's

4:45

keep showing Chatur every pick that is not.

4:47

I feel like we have some examples

4:49

of that quarterback sometimes turns out to be

4:51

good. A guy that sits, Aaron Rodgers

4:53

did it, Lamar Jackson sat way longer than

4:55

we thought. Robbisberger didn't sit forever, but

4:58

he was sitting for a little longer than

5:00

I think they thought. So I feel

5:02

like if I'm Shadr, I'm like, okay, this

5:04

happens with someone every other year where

5:06

you think they might go mid first round,

5:08

they go later, and it turns out

5:10

okay. You end up on a better team

5:12

a lot of times. But it doesn't

5:15

happen very often where a guy who had

5:17

the hype that Shadr Sanders did, it

5:19

wasn't that long ago in the college football

5:21

season, this past season, where it was

5:23

a real thought that Number one and two

5:25

in the draft is Shadr Sanders and

5:27

Travis Hunter and and and for him to

5:29

fall totally out of the first run

5:32

by the way for Intriguing dramatic purposes. I

5:34

like it because man tonight tights exciting

5:36

again like it was the biggest story going

5:38

to trap yesterday Where should they're gonna

5:40

go and now we get the same story

5:42

going into tonight like now tonight is

5:44

super interesting I want to blame somebody though.

5:46

Who do I blame for this Shadr

5:48

thing? Deon, okay? Total hyping of a player.

5:51

What about the media? Yeah,

5:53

I'm I'm not gonna blame

5:55

the media. I'm part of

5:57

the media. I'll go blame

5:59

media. All right, but I

6:01

do wonder how much of

6:03

Shadr Sanders was media hype

6:05

We know that the Sanders

6:07

family Colorado everything going on

6:09

there Shadr is very, you

6:11

know braggadocious Major,

6:13

major ratings, numbers, clicks, all that

6:15

stuff during the college football season.

6:17

I do wonder how much of

6:19

the hype around Shadar going into

6:22

the draft, people thinking how great

6:24

he is. I do wonder how

6:26

much of that was. bit

6:28

of a media creation. There's hype that happens

6:30

every single year. And I'm curious, we're actually

6:32

often in charge of hype because you want

6:34

to hype your own players. You want to

6:36

hype the people who you're not taking. So

6:38

there's no hype around the people who you

6:40

actually want to take. So there's a lot

6:42

of funny business that goes on around hyping.

6:45

I think when you talk about media creation

6:47

of an athlete, right, I think there's

6:49

also media cratering of same athlete where

6:51

you have the media going, actually, you know

6:53

what, even though he was pretty special, at

6:56

Colorado, I'll be against teams that were probably not

6:58

as good as other teams in the SEC in the

7:00

Big 10. And then you see

7:02

him at the pro day and you're like, wow,

7:04

he passed the ball a lot. Like that

7:06

window is not going to be there in the

7:08

NFL, like the same way it is in

7:11

college. Or how many guys do we see that

7:13

are excellent? at one level, and then they

7:15

get to the next level, and it's like, oof,

7:17

wait, this guy was good in college, but

7:19

in the pros, he's not that guy. So how

7:21

did the media crater him then? It just

7:23

feels like now going towards the draft, there was

7:25

a lot of stuff on him and his

7:28

interviews with teams, a lot of leaks. It felt

7:30

like, oh, Shadoor is being very braggadocious, and

7:32

being very this, and being very that. It just

7:34

felt like there was a lot of anti -Shadoor

7:36

stuff going into the draft, in the same

7:38

way that during the season, they were kind of

7:40

propping him up. I just don't know how

7:42

much that has to do with him falling versus...

7:45

It's a warning that, hey, he's going to

7:47

fall, right? Like, I don't know if the media

7:49

influence is there. Like, if public perception, any

7:51

of that makes a difference as much as it's

7:53

someone like Diana or anybody else being becoming

7:55

informed and saying, hey, these teams are telling me

7:57

this guy is going to fall. This is

7:59

how they feel. And now I'm just communicating to

8:02

the viewer that, hey, when you show up

8:04

and you expect this guy whose number was just

8:06

retired to be drafted day one, that's not

8:08

going to happen. For sure. But that's closer to

8:10

the draft. It felt like, like, After the

8:12

Super Bowl there was like all right, there's a

8:14

lot of negative momentum in the

8:16

Sanders camp where it's like things are coming

8:18

out, his pro day, he's not gonna throw

8:20

here, he's not gonna do anything. Beyond space

8:22

timing, that type of stuff. And on top

8:25

of that, the Travis Hunter praise, it's like,

8:27

is he gonna play both sides? He says

8:29

if he doesn't play both sides, he's not

8:31

gonna play. There was just a lot of

8:33

stuff that was anti -Colorado, both athletes, that

8:35

I thought was a little weird. We tend

8:37

to ignore that and I think teams, you

8:39

don't pay a lot of attention to that

8:41

anonymous assistant coach. who talks about

8:43

how bad Shadoor was, how bad the

8:45

interview was. It doesn't impact his draft

8:47

status. Teams don't pay attention to that

8:49

at all. But perception though, Dave. Not

8:51

in the draft room of a team.

8:53

sure, but public perception. Right now, everybody

8:55

starts thinking, oh wait, is he kind

8:57

of an asshole? We thought

8:59

that he was this guy.

9:01

Well, he also was flexing a

9:03

$75 ,000 watch that students had

9:05

during the game, but whatever.

9:07

Is that is that a flex

9:10

automatic when you're Deion Sanders

9:12

child? Yeah to flex a 75k

9:14

watch. Yeah, I don't think

9:16

I know there's not another sports

9:18

where The team only cares

9:20

about What can help them win

9:22

like the NFL? I feel like it's that

9:24

sport all the other stuff Don't care

9:26

can he help us win and certainly should

9:28

there's not a bad character guy? No

9:30

trouble off the field if anything I think

9:32

he's high character obviously super arrogant But

9:34

if anything, I think he's high character because

9:36

I know for me if Deon Sanders

9:39

were my father You grow up that way.

9:41

I don't know that I'm working as

9:43

hard as should or did to get to

9:45

this point So I think it's a

9:47

sign of high character, but That's

9:50

why I believe that it's a

9:52

little bit, maybe it was a little

9:54

bit of a media creation, how

9:56

good we thought he was, because I

9:58

don't think NFL teams are drawn

10:00

away from, oh, he was very arrogant.

10:02

You know, if he could help

10:04

us win at the most important position

10:06

in all of pro sports. The

10:08

ability for a quarterback to translate, we

10:10

talked about, Tony said, college players

10:12

who don't end up being good pros,

10:14

that's every sport. There's a

10:16

ton of college basketball players who are fun to

10:18

watch during March, and they're terrific. They can

10:21

even get to a championship, and they can't play

10:23

pro basketball. Baseball, obviously, that's the

10:25

case. Football, of course. There's great

10:27

football. You're like, wow, that quarterback. I

10:29

was thinking about the number one,

10:31

if we had to do a top

10:33

five of the greatest college players

10:35

who never were able to quite make

10:37

it, the first guy I think

10:39

of is Doug Flutey. And I don't

10:41

know if there's a view that

10:43

a good career, but there are plenty

10:45

like Heisman winning quarterbacks who amount

10:47

to nothing. Well ironically the the comparison

10:50

that I just started thinking about

10:52

as you were mentioning all of this

10:54

and we're talking about Travis Hunter

10:56

and some of the media hype around

10:58

the quarterback Different character thing

11:00

because I agree with you. I think

11:02

Shudder might be cocky confident not like

11:04

definitely cocky But not a bad. I

11:06

know the idea of he might be

11:09

that but that doesn't make him a

11:11

bad guy or an inconsistent character to

11:13

show up in a locker room But

11:15

how dissimilar is this from Johnny Manziel

11:17

and Mike Evans at Texas A &M

11:19

where you had this generational receiver? who,

11:22

when we're watching it in college, we're

11:24

giving both guys the credit in saying

11:26

you have this electric quarterback who's running

11:28

around and doing all these things. You

11:30

have this singular wide receiver who we

11:32

think is great. Not sure who would

11:34

give the credit to, but when it

11:36

came down to the draft, Johnny

11:38

slipped a little bit, ended up being

11:40

taken by Cleveland. Mike Evans taken in

11:42

the top 10. A generational receiver has

11:44

been one of those guys with 1

11:46

,000 yards for like 10 straight years.

11:48

He's a Hall of Famer. And

11:50

now Travis Hunter at the top

11:52

of this draft, is this the same

11:54

thing of the teams doing the

11:56

scouting and realizing more of this was

11:58

Travis Hunter than it was Sugarc

12:01

Sanders? And I think it's a question that gets

12:03

answered over the course of careers. And so

12:05

we're going to watch what happens with Chidora. He'll go

12:07

this today. And the question is when he goes,

12:09

what a team does is they give up their fifth

12:11

year option when you don't get taken in the

12:13

first round. So I don't think they'll get taken early

12:15

in the second round. There was a thought that

12:17

the Browns may take them right out of the gate.

12:19

But why not trade up and get it the

12:21

fifth year out of him? It makes

12:23

no sense to me to take him to take

12:25

a quarterback like Sanders who may not play

12:27

while you're you're weighing the value of having him

12:30

under contract for a fifth year instead of

12:32

just four years versus keeping whatever draft capital you

12:34

would have had to give up to move

12:36

back in the first right and to me a

12:38

year of service is everything and

12:40

keeping a guy an extra year. We do

12:42

calculations like that in baseball, how to keep

12:44

a player an extra year of service time

12:46

before a free agency. I have to assume

12:48

it's part of the calculus for a GM

12:50

to make in football, because that fifth year,

12:52

it's such an interesting rule, but man, that

12:54

is a huge thing for a player. It's

12:56

huge too when you can get everybody under

12:58

the cap space and you have that quarterback

13:00

that can extend the window of guys you

13:02

have to win now, right? Like we've seen

13:04

it, Brock Purdy, we've seen Russell Wills, like

13:07

we've seen these guys be great early, Jalen

13:09

Hertz early on before they gave

13:11

him that massive contract, but it's like,

13:13

if you have that guy locked

13:15

in, you could take a chance on

13:17

other things in the draft. Will the Cleveland Browns take

13:19

him right out of the gate tonight? That's the

13:21

question. Like, what if he slides out of the second

13:23

round? By the way, he might not be the

13:26

first quarterback taken here. Like when we were talking to

13:28

Diana yesterday, she was talking about the momentum for

13:30

Tyler Shuck to potentially even be a first round pick.

13:32

So there are teams, you know, Jalen Milrose

13:34

out there as well that has all of the

13:37

measurables that would make you think, hey, if

13:39

we're willing to take a project, why not

13:41

take him? And the opposite hype on Milrose,

13:43

right? Like everybody was down on Milrose during the

13:45

season and then all of a sudden it's

13:47

like, oh, wait, this guy. It's incredible. Yeah,

13:49

because he has all of those measurables that

13:51

everybody freaks out with at a combine. So it's

13:53

a different type of thing, Chris. Quick update,

13:55

I peed during the break. Did

13:57

you really? I mean, everyone's in a full.

13:59

a good boy. Doesn't matter. I think I did enough, though. Did

14:01

you get an eighth? Yeah, I think I got an eighth.

14:03

You're a good boy. Thank you. You're a good peepee. God,

14:06

the body's interesting, isn't it? Yes. You

14:08

can get it all done, all taken care

14:10

of. I failed

14:12

the test. Now, what do you like

14:14

at concerts like tomorrow, David? Because

14:16

I get worried about drinking too much. And then I

14:18

got to go to the bathroom during the show. I

14:20

don't want to miss the show. Yeah,

14:23

I'm not a. That won't happen.

14:25

They do a different set every time. I'm a big set

14:27

list guy. I like to plan out my bathroom trips. If

14:29

I if I'm going to a concert where the set list

14:31

is the same every night, I prefer that. I want to

14:33

see the set list. I know I'm going to go after

14:35

this song. I'm going to the bathroom. I got a I

14:37

got a two song bridge here where it's two bad songs.

14:39

I don't care about going to go to the bathroom there. That's

14:42

how I play. So Pro Jam is not

14:44

quite like that in terms of there are not

14:46

that I'm aware of like five or six

14:48

packs where you can know Bruce does this where

14:51

you know you're about to get a six

14:53

pack and you can know where you can go

14:55

to the bathroom in that should you want

14:57

to. But to me the juice is not worth

14:59

the squeeze to go to the bathroom during

15:01

a concert. I'm with you only because it's such

15:03

a schlep No matter the size of the

15:05

venue last night. You were looking at five minutes

15:08

door -to -door Yeah, at least oh my god.

15:10

It was so easy Yeah, what a great venue

15:12

that places great great venue super convenient really

15:14

fun Yeah, because it's in Broward. There is nothing

15:16

worse than you're in the bathroom and a

15:18

song you're really looking forward to hearing is like

15:20

or you're in line and you're like two

15:22

away from getting a beer and it's like you're

15:25

running out of the line all of a

15:27

sudden you're going back for some song it's just

15:29

like that I get your point there there

15:31

is nothing worse than missing a song that you

15:33

really wanted to hear so therefore if I

15:35

don't want that to happen I'm not going to

15:37

leave the show because if you don't know

15:39

exactly the setlist then you have no way of

15:42

knowing what song is next if it's all

15:44

a surprise therefore it can't be worth it to

15:46

me so I'm gonna start the concert with

15:48

an extra drink. And I'm going

15:50

to then nurse it throughout the concert, maybe

15:52

work in something that can last a

15:54

few hours as a possibility instead of a

15:56

drink. I see what you're saying. So

15:58

what you're doing is you are making the

16:00

plan because I don't want to be

16:02

in that spot of missing my song because

16:04

you never get it back. Yep. Yep.

16:07

And I don't get hammered at shows either because

16:09

I want to be in the moment. I want

16:11

to remember the night, you know, so. You're talking

16:13

about meth, right? No. Do

16:15

you take video? Good

16:18

question. I'll take a couple

16:20

of pictures right when the show starts, then

16:22

the phone goes away. Selfie with the kid.

16:24

Yes, of course. to create the memory. And

16:27

then the phone goes away. I hate the recording. There

16:29

were people in front of us last night. I think

16:31

a guy row in front of us a few seats

16:33

down. I think he recorded the whole show. No.

16:35

And he will do nothing with that. You

16:38

ever watch those videos? They're terrible. Yeah,

16:40

like is he sitting around one day?

16:42

He says, hey, hon. Let's

16:44

watch the video I took with my phone

16:46

from last year at Pearl Jam like let's

16:48

relive this we'll put it on the TV

16:50

this grainy ass Some people put that on

16:52

YouTube and then there end up being people

16:54

like me They never get to see someone

16:57

in concert and I'm watching some video of

16:59

a two hour and 45 minute concert where

17:01

I can't hear half There's 770 total views.

17:03

Yeah, he's here for me critically important to

17:05

understand that there's always gonna be someone to

17:07

serve me That is my view that if

17:09

I need to see something And again, I'll

17:11

search it on YouTube and it'll be there.

17:14

I don't need to do the recording and

17:16

not be in the moment because I'm going

17:18

to have an opportunity to watch a moment

17:20

from that concert somewhere else. I'll say I'm

17:22

learning right now. I think Dave and I

17:24

are going to have a good time tomorrow. I

17:27

think we're on the same page with a lot of this. I

17:29

don't know that we're sitting together. OK.

17:31

But if we are. Yeah. It could be

17:34

fun. Yeah. Though I'm anxious to be

17:36

around Dan. I've been to a

17:38

concert with Dan. Like a lot of

17:40

neck movement. I'm telling you. So and he's

17:42

tall. He's tall, and it makes it

17:44

tough. But the good news is,

17:46

it is Valerie's birthday weekend. So the thought

17:48

is, he's on his best behavior. So

17:50

I'm less worried about how he's going to be. I

17:52

don't know if that manifested itself last night. But

17:54

the weekend starts today. Yeah, that's true.

17:57

I mean, it's Friday. But it's

17:59

his Friday. Yeah. Right, right, right. No, I thought,

18:01

I thought he was, I didn't know that

18:03

there's a scenario where he wouldn't be Best Behavior.

18:05

I've been out with Dan before, not a

18:07

ton, but I didn't know there's a scenario where

18:09

he's not Best Behavior. Oh, there could be

18:11

sleeping, there could be storming out, there could be,

18:13

I'm not interested in this anymore. Sleeping, I

18:15

love the idea of Dan just like. Well, listen,

18:17

that's what the next thing is. I

18:19

don't know if you've all done this, but this

18:21

is a Tuesday for me. In class, I

18:23

was the king. I'm gonna give you, for

18:25

those of you just listening, what I'm doing is.

18:27

sleep like I couldn't sleep. Oh, I am

18:30

telling you that. I was able to sleep in

18:32

class with my pen moving. That's

18:34

impressive. the professor would have the view

18:36

that I was not sleeping. So

18:38

it's like this. your eyes are closed, David, he's not

18:40

really falling for it. Oh, but I was in a

18:42

great state. If I'm looking at you right now, I

18:44

think you're sleeping, even if your pen's moving. That's right.

18:46

Because your eyes are closed. I love how you're like,

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22:36

Obviously we had the NFL draft last night.

22:38

Don't look now. Second round. I've been doing

22:40

a little bit of investigative work. Zazz,

22:42

are you looking? You've been looking? I'm head.

22:45

I'm looking at you. No. Don't look at

22:47

me. Oh point is don't look your eyes I

22:49

know Dave's not looking my eyes are closed.

22:51

My eyes are closed. Nobody look like it's somebody

22:53

explain. I'm new somebody explain. I tell you

22:55

look now. All right. All right. Do not

22:57

look. All right. Roy not looking. Okay. Thank you

22:59

Pre don't look now. I was doing some

23:01

investigative work looking ahead. It seems I was

23:03

looking ahead, but I'm not looking now, which is

23:05

the whole point You know who picks 37th

23:09

in the second round. 37th

23:11

pick, which is like the fifth or sixth pick of

23:13

the second round. not 37th in the second. It's 37th,

23:15

but the second round overall. The

23:18

Las Vegas Raiders. Could

23:20

we see them pair

23:22

Shadour Sanders with Ashton Genti?

23:24

Wow. I love

23:26

that. a big juicy meatball right there. Don't look,

23:28

but Zazz, you love that fit. Yeah,

23:31

Shadr, like there was, for a

23:33

while, especially during this football season, there

23:35

seemed to be like this romance

23:37

between the Raiders and Shadr Sanders. And

23:39

then it just kind of went, poof,

23:42

I don't know, it's not there anymore. So I

23:44

think Shadr will be a fantastic fit. How do you

23:47

feel about giving a take with your eyes closed?

23:49

Because you look uncomfortable doing it. Well, yeah, like

23:51

I'm very awake, you know. But you're a pro's pro,

23:53

though. Like I'm holding my eyes closed. They want

23:55

to open because I'm awake. I'm jacked up. It's like

23:57

you're at Chris Cody's house. Don't look now. Could

24:00

Jackson Dart be special?

24:05

This is what it's like in

24:07

my house Now imagine I'm walking

24:09

into the room with you guys

24:11

like hey, what's up? Hey Chris,

24:14

it's too scary I'm not looking

24:16

Jackson Dart second quarterback taken gets

24:18

to sit behind Russell Wilson and

24:20

James Winston gets to get the

24:22

best of both worlds conservative and

24:24

very liberal with the football I

24:26

Think it'd be a good little

24:28

spot. I mean I mean We've

24:30

got centrists. Maybe maybe middle

24:33

Jackson. Maybe Jackson Dark can be the centrist. But

24:35

we've got James Winston, who's very liberal with the

24:37

football loves to give it to the other team. We've

24:39

got Russell Wilson, who tries to play conservative and

24:41

keep it away from the other team. And Jackson

24:43

Darby somewhere in the middle. All right, we should stop

24:45

this as going to fall asleep. Taz, are you

24:47

looking? No, my eyes are closed. It's

24:50

like in the movie when the kid has to keep her

24:52

eyes closed or his eyes closed, but you can see the

24:55

movie underneath the eyelids. And I'm like, how could they not

24:57

cut that? All right, you guys can open your eyes now.

24:59

Back to show. Look now.

25:01

I'm looking. How many

25:03

people use that eye mask? Just me. So

25:05

that is your personal eye mask? Yeah. Is

25:07

that from sheets and giggles by chance? Uh,

25:10

yes. Have the same one. Yeah,

25:12

you do. My wife does this

25:14

thing and I don't know why she doesn't start the

25:17

night with it. My wife goes to bed. I have

25:19

a tree to meet my wife goes to bed before

25:21

me So around 10 30 11 she goes to bed.

25:23

I'm usually 11 45 12 so she goes to bed

25:25

around 11 30 half hour after she's been in there

25:27

just before I go to bed She always emerges from

25:29

the room walks to the freezer of our kitchen opens

25:31

the freezer pulls out a little baggy and she has

25:33

an eye mask in that

25:35

she likes a cold, compressy

25:38

eye mask. I don't know why she doesn't start

25:40

the night with it. She always comes out a

25:42

half hour after she's gone to bed, kind of

25:44

like can't sleep, need the eye mask, like just

25:46

get the eye mask from the go and then

25:48

you might be better. But do you guys, is

25:50

this a thing with anybody? Have you guys ever

25:52

heard of the cold eye mask when you're sleeping?

25:54

It's to help with the bags. It's to help

25:56

with the crow's feet. It's to help stay. She

25:58

does it more just to help her sleep. But

26:00

I think it just feels nice. I mean, I

26:02

think that's a side effect of it. She hasn't

26:04

said to me this is why I'm doing that.

26:06

But it's just I'm always just like, why don't

26:08

you do it from the start? It's weird. You're

26:10

going to the freezer for an eye mask. It's

26:12

just maybe you don't do it from the start

26:14

because it's like a nice thing to be able

26:16

to rely on if you can't sleep. Oh, here's

26:18

a second option that I can go out. I

26:20

can change my routine. I can go do this

26:22

thing that helps soothe me and get to sleep

26:24

rather than if I start the night with this

26:26

thing that's. supposed to help soothe me, then what?

26:28

Then what happens if I can't fall asleep? Then

26:30

I'm up all night. If you already know you've

26:32

got the backup plan, then your brain already says,

26:34

all right, do the backup plan. Yeah, but some

26:36

nights maybe you could just fall asleep, you're exhausted,

26:39

you're able to go to bed, but this is just a

26:41

break glass in case of emergency type thing. Does anyone

26:43

in this room, do you guys have any backup? Like when

26:45

you can't sleep and you've been rolling around for a

26:47

half hour, what's your go -to? I'm gonna think about this.

26:49

sleep. Do you have any? Yeah,

26:51

I go watch a movie. Really? Oh, so

26:53

you stop trying to sleep? I only

26:55

get, as you know, the most a couple

26:57

hours a night. And so I'm watching

26:59

content. And that is my prime

27:02

time. I love the nighttime with the

27:04

lights on. I love watching stuff. I

27:06

watched a whole series the other night

27:08

that I just reviewed. I'm nothing personal

27:10

this morning. North of North. Have you

27:12

ever heard of it? No. No. So

27:14

I get to watch so much more stuff

27:16

than most people because I have so many more

27:18

hours in the day. It's an eight episode

27:20

arc, 30 minutes an episode. It's about a place

27:23

that's way north. I saw a

27:25

preview for this recently. Yes, north of that. It's

27:27

way it's more north than the most north we've

27:29

ever been. I can't tell. Is it a documentary

27:31

or no? It's an actual. It's show. OK, it's

27:33

a show about it. And I'm going to and

27:35

I'm going to do this wrong. And you're going

27:37

to have to just tell me. It's

27:39

the Inuits. Inuits

27:41

in you in. It's

27:43

the Inuits. In

27:45

you it's like people who live in like you're

27:48

like you keep saying it you did fine it

27:51

live in the super cold like right

27:53

and super dark. Yeah, a lot of months.

27:55

I like the light so Oh, it's

27:57

dark that well not the whole year you

27:59

understand the way it works is that

28:01

there's six months where it's totally dark No,

28:03

I was doing a call back to

28:05

me if you should go live there on

28:08

the light time because it's light the

28:10

entire day Right like there's no nighttime I

28:13

did go up to the Arctic Circle. A

28:15

little look at me, Louis, but I will tell

28:17

you, I went to a midnight Little League

28:19

game. Wow. And it was

28:21

so cool. So kids, they're

28:23

scheduled. There's no nighttime. And

28:25

so what they you say that like a sniff. That

28:27

means they don't get tired. No, no. So

28:29

the way it works is there's

28:32

no set time that the kids sleep.

28:34

Because it's daytime, so their their

28:36

rhythms are off anyway, so what they

28:38

tell their team hey for the

28:40

next couple weeks bedtime is 10 a

28:42

.m No, but there's no bedtime, so

28:44

I spoke to the kids about

28:46

this. They don't sleep school Every day

28:48

of the week there has to

28:50

be this is this is off from

28:53

school This is the summer time

28:55

and just people just don't it's a

28:57

just chaos no routine anywhere. You're up

28:59

at all times of the day, but everything's

29:01

open. It's amazing all day Were you scouting Brendan

29:04

Fraser? Where was this? This

29:06

is above the Arctic Circle

29:08

in Alaska. It's north.

29:10

It is north of the north. And

29:12

that time of year in the summer, there's

29:14

no sunset. And there's really no sunrise. It never

29:16

goes below the horizon. And I was very

29:18

interested. I was working with the Marlins at the

29:21

time. And I thought it'd be cool to

29:23

watch a little league game because there's one field.

29:25

But it's operational. There's games all the time.

29:27

So they could fit in all the games. So

29:29

you fit in. Because there's a lot of

29:31

people up there, believe it or not. And they're

29:33

all playing games. And they're doing stuff. And

29:35

they play midnight games. There's like a 3 AM

29:37

game. But it's not the real. So cool.

29:39

It's not 3 AM to them. Here's the downside.

29:42

During the winter, there's no games at all. You

29:44

can't, there's no lights on the field. And

29:46

it's dark all the time. It's dark all the

29:48

time. So that means they sleep all day

29:50

long. So it's amazing. No one's awake. Now you

29:52

get it. No one's awake for six months.

29:54

Now you get it. So it's a major issue.

29:57

You've got high rates of suicide. You've got high

29:59

rates of depression. It's a

30:01

major issue when your body

30:03

doesn't have the rhythm of

30:05

darkness. Wow. Is this show

30:07

funny? I've seen a preview for it. It

30:09

looks funny. I was told it was Schitt's

30:11

Creek. It's not. I love Schitt's Creek. I

30:13

enjoyed the season. It's worth four hours if

30:15

you have an extra four hours, which is

30:17

why for me, I love having all the

30:19

extra time because I can watch all this

30:21

stuff. But you, if you give me, do

30:23

you sleep eight a night? More

30:26

like six. Oh, you've got

30:28

a shot. It may take a couple of weeks to get

30:30

it. But there are people I know

30:32

who sleep eight strong every night. You'll never watch the

30:34

show. There's just not the capability

30:36

of having enough time to do it I

30:38

try to convince people when I'm giving reviews

30:40

of what they should watch and what they

30:42

shouldn't based on their own sleeping habits I

30:44

can't do it based on mine because then

30:46

I would suggest almost everything Because I have

30:48

time for bad content. So you have certain

30:50

shows that you recommend to eight -hour sleepers,

30:52

certain shows to seven -hour sleepers, certain shows to

30:54

six -hour sleepers. a finite amount of time

30:56

during the day, so this is worth your

30:58

time. You have a couple of extra hours

31:00

than the person who gets the right amount

31:02

of sleep, and so in those couple of

31:04

extra hours, here's something you should waste your

31:06

time with. It's not wasting, but... Well,

31:09

it's not wasting your time because you have enough

31:11

of it, is what you're saying, is you're

31:13

someone that has 18 hours in a

31:15

day as opposed to someone else who might

31:17

have 20 hours in a day or 16

31:19

hours in a day and in turn I'm

31:21

going to adjust my recommendation based off how

31:23

much time I think you have you say

31:25

that like it's a strange no I think

31:27

it's a good thing but that's exactly I

31:29

think it's great it's a perfect scale so

31:31

when I know someone who sleeps like I

31:33

do who has 22 hours in a day

31:35

I'm gonna give them a different set think

31:37

that's great content to watch this is worth

31:39

your time as opposed to this show yeah

31:41

think that's a great way of doing it

31:43

where you're thinking of of wasting people's time

31:45

because the worst thing is when someone has

31:47

like highly recommended a show because then I'm

31:49

not someone again we talked about the pleaser

31:51

thing last hour but if someone's told me

31:53

like this is great and you I know

31:55

you you'll love this I'm certainly never going

31:57

to just watch one episode and give it

31:59

up I'm gonna watch the season that they've

32:01

told me to watch here And

32:03

sometimes that'll feel like a waste of time. So

32:05

if you have a good barometer of, I

32:07

know the amount of time you have in a

32:10

day, and so I'm going to cut it

32:12

off here. I think that's like one of the

32:14

most empathetic things I've ever heard you do,

32:16

David. So the time thing, Tony, is interesting to

32:18

me because last night's end of the Pistons

32:20

Knicks game, it didn't bother me at all because

32:22

I got plenty of time. You

32:24

want to take forever to get to get the last.

32:27

You love the reviews, you

32:29

love the challenges, you love the referees, staring

32:31

into the camera, giving their full explanation

32:33

while everyone else is annoyed. I got time.

32:35

You're good with it. Okay. The games

32:37

ended like mid past midnight last night because

32:39

we had two games going on the

32:42

Memphis and Oklahoma City game basically went to

32:44

the buzzer and then How did that

32:46

game turn out to be good? I mean,

32:48

I was able to watch the fourth

32:50

quarter. No, I understand but remember we were

32:52

annoyed yesterday, right? Because that game was

32:54

that was TNT right instead of the great

32:56

game Nuggets Clippers being on NBA TV.

32:59

Well, that game was her awful and Grizzly's

33:01

Thunder at least had juice to it

33:03

in the second half makes you think huh

33:05

with the NBA know The

33:07

one that it would be one seventeen eighty

33:09

three. They knew that there'd be a blowout.

33:11

No, that's what I'm saying No, I at

33:13

least I hear you but that type of

33:15

conspiracy. I'm all I'm all for it Well,

33:17

there was conspiracy laden situations in the Pistons

33:20

next game because did you see how the

33:22

last Point five seconds was handled Dave. Did

33:24

you see that? I of course? I saw

33:26

it. I'm okay. So what's the rule? I

33:28

know you know basketball What's the rule? What's

33:30

your next fandom like these days? I just

33:32

wanted my next fandom is now ordinary All

33:35

my fandom and sports has become ordinary because of what

33:37

I did for a living. There is

33:39

a neutral time clock keeper in the

33:41

class. So I'd like to eliminate all

33:43

No, I like ignoring that and just

33:45

calling it cheating. Exactly right, thank you.

33:47

No, it ruins it. You can't.

33:49

No, you're ruining it by saying it's neutral.

33:51

Because I think it's fun saying that it's

33:53

cheating by the home team. Exactly right. So

33:55

that's the issue. The issue is that

33:57

you don't care about reality. You

33:59

just care about the fun. Wait,

34:02

the fun is the cheating? Yeah, I want -

34:04

I want to watch that the illusion of possible

34:06

cheating. Yeah, I want to watch that game and

34:08

say that Detroit Pistons' timekeeper, he was cheating so

34:10

that the Pistons can have an in -bounce play, and

34:12

by the way, an extra timeout to draw up

34:14

a play on the final play. by the way.

34:16

Well, how about you don't have Jalen Duren throwing

34:19

the ball? Bad play. You know, how about you

34:21

have a guy who actually passes during the game

34:23

to throw in the ball? Well, I'll just run

34:25

out of bounds. a most anti -climactic situation. They

34:27

couldn't even get a shot off. Well...

34:29

I was at the game at this guy.

34:31

I'm remembering so many things with you guys

34:33

today. Do you know what the Trent Tucker rule

34:35

is? Yes, I've heard of it. Yes. Yes,

34:37

of course. The point three. Yes. Trent Tucker was

34:39

on Martin Luther King Day. And you can

34:42

check me. I think it was a Martin Luther

34:44

King Day Nick game at the garden. Trent

34:47

Tucker in the corner. I met the game

34:49

with my little sister, who was a baby

34:51

at the time, 0 .1 on the clock. catch,

34:54

shoot, three, Nick's win, going crazy.

34:56

Not humanly possible. And then they

34:58

said, wait a minute, we can't

35:00

do this anymore. We're gonna say

35:02

it's 0 .3 to do a

35:05

shot. Talk about home cooking. Home

35:07

cooking on that clock, 0 .1 second, how

35:09

do you even start it? you can't,

35:11

and it's the same with 0 .3.

35:13

That was the joke to me of

35:15

the whole thing, that the difference between

35:17

0 .1 and 0 .3 is so random

35:19

to say, oh, now you can catch

35:21

it and shoot it, but 0 .1, no.

35:23

0 .3, no problem. Right. Ted Fisher

35:25

got it off of 0 .4. Headline, the

35:27

day Trent Tucker changed NBA history. You're

35:29

right. MLK Day, 1990. Wow. Look at

35:31

that. Look at the big memory on

35:33

David. the Chicago Bulls. It was against

35:35

the Bulls. And you have to remember,

35:37

the Bulls were the bane of my

35:39

existence growing up because all Jordan did

35:41

was win. Your thoughts on Charles Smith.

35:44

number 54 go up strong go

35:46

up strong now you're bringing me

35:48

back to fandom now I'm feeling

35:50

it I'm thinking what it was

35:52

like in the early 90s when

35:54

Charles Smith has the ball I'm

35:56

asking you please eyes are closed

35:58

don't look now a ball fake

36:00

no ball fake to know go

36:02

up strong you're 611 sorry You're

36:05

two for 18. I don't want to dance with the guy I

36:07

brought to the dance. If you're two for 18, I'm going to sit

36:10

your ass down because we got to win a game seven. We

36:12

haven't won a title since 1972. I was such

36:14

a fan. You're bringing it back. Greg

36:16

Anthony. Good guy.

36:20

Carl Anthony Towns. Not

36:23

interested. I don't I

36:25

don't call anything towns goes through a whole second

36:27

half without taking a shot Yeah, and then

36:29

all of a sudden it's like all right now.

36:31

I'm gonna take shots Yeah, well I like I

36:33

wonder if the Nick fan is mad about that

36:35

like you're obviously super pleased if you're a Nick

36:37

fan today, but if calling Anthony towns did any

36:39

of that in the second half

36:41

of game two, or even just the fourth

36:43

glory game two, you're probably up three nothing

36:45

like there's prop Nick fans happy today for

36:48

sure but it's probably a little bit of

36:50

what like where is this guy been is

36:52

that not a little bit on your your

36:54

lead guard and your coach to get cat

36:56

involved though as a big man like he

36:58

doesn't have the ball in his hands at

37:00

all time they are especially in

37:02

game two, just spamming Jalen Brunson,

37:04

Jalen Brunson, Jalen Brunson, Jalen Brunson,

37:06

Iso, Pick and Roll, Iso, Pick

37:08

and Roll. Like, is it

37:10

not, their offense, they don't

37:12

run a very complicated offense. They don't run

37:14

an offense that involves much more than

37:17

Jalen Brunson and Kat in the Pick and

37:19

Roll. And if you're not getting him

37:21

involved, if you're the lead guard, this is

37:23

what's gonna happen. There's gonna be stretches,

37:25

particularly with big men that operate around the

37:27

perimeter where There are entire halves where

37:29

they disappear because there's not a concentrated effort

37:31

to get them the ball. We saw

37:33

it's not the same skill set. It's not

37:35

the same offensive game, but we saw

37:37

something not that dissimilar with using Bama to

37:39

bio as a facilitator in game two

37:41

for Miami and not getting him the ball

37:43

in positions to score. Now in this

37:45

game, there was clearly a concentrated effort coming

37:47

back for New York to say, hey,

37:49

we need to get cat involved because our

37:51

offense completely falls apart late in the

37:53

game if he's not an option for us.

37:55

So to me, It's it's fully

37:58

up to Tibido and Brunson to get that

38:00

guy to be the player that you expect

38:02

him to be with the talent that he

38:04

has That's who he's been his whole career.

38:06

I guess the explanation I would give to

38:08

that or at least my thought is we

38:10

wouldn't We would consider everything you just said

38:12

if not for there being a little bit

38:14

of a history we'll call Anthony Towns in

38:16

big moments in big but is there was

38:18

he not really good last year from Minnesota

38:20

where they not Like he had really good

38:23

moments. Yeah, but that consistency is what he's

38:25

talking about, right? But I think your your

38:27

point would be like and this is again

38:29

the same thing we kind of do with

38:31

BAM Which is it depending on the perception

38:33

that you have a player they're not this

38:35

no not on the same level It's not

38:37

the same conversation But it's the perception that

38:39

you have of the player that dictates how

38:41

you respond to what performance Carl Anthony towns

38:43

last year the perception coming in was he

38:45

won't show up He won't do anything and

38:48

so when he had big moments. We were

38:50

all caught off guard So now he gets

38:52

traded to New York. He has to be

38:54

the guy and it's almost as if we

38:56

forgot those things that you just mentioned which

38:58

are Occasionally there are going to be games

39:00

where he doesn't have 35 points in the

39:02

game and he kind of disappears and that

39:04

is because what, he's not one of the

39:06

10 best scorers who's ever lived, like I

39:08

don't understand how we're supposed to react necessarily.

39:10

To your point too, it's tough when you

39:12

have a team that is built around a

39:15

ball dominant guard, right? Jalen Brunson, Anthony Edwards,

39:17

it's like this is their team. Guy's playing

39:19

off of Luca too, like similar scenarios. Exactly,

39:21

it's just tough to be able to get

39:23

the ball in positions to score when you're

39:25

the second, sometimes third option on an offense.

39:27

Just keep in mind that the T -Wolves thought

39:29

that to get better, they needed to trade.

39:31

You're gonna say it's not true. They didn't

39:33

get better and they knew they weren't getting

39:35

better. That was a salary. Yeah, I think

39:37

I think it was money that was fully

39:40

a salary decision So now I'm gonna have

39:42

to I can't can I do a disclosure

39:44

on the show? Yeah, I mean this is

39:46

what we do. Everybody knows I love disclosures.

39:48

Let's hear it. Do you full disclosures? Yep

39:50

I'm going to give you a half disclosure.

39:52

Oh, come on. Take what I can get.

39:54

All right, I'll give you a full. Thank

39:56

you. The Minnesota Twins, the Minnesota Twins. All

39:58

right, 4869. The Minnesota Timberwolves and their trading

40:00

of Carl Anthony Towns was in an effort

40:02

not to do anything with the second and

40:04

first apron. It was an effort to get

40:07

them closer to winning a championship. And

40:10

I have it from the source of

40:12

the trade. I'm not going

40:14

to disclose my source. Journalist. He said full disclosure.

40:16

Yeah, he said full disclosure. Full disclosure is I

40:18

have the answer that it was not a money

40:20

trade. So it a bad decision. Is that a

40:22

half when you don't disclose your source? Three quarters.

40:25

I feel like it's 85%. I'm disclosing to

40:27

you, and I'm trying to tell you that

40:29

what you think happened with that trade, and

40:31

now the nicks have cat, and I'm worried

40:34

as a Nick fan, can he be the

40:36

number two guy? in a championship winning team.

40:38

Well, and this is it for the Knicks

40:40

too, because it's not like they, there's no

40:42

real moves to be made if this doesn't

40:44

work. Like if they don't believe they're a

40:46

championship team, they have no more assets. They

40:48

traded them all obviously from a Cal Bridges.

40:50

You got a money situation where you're paying

40:52

guys a ton of money. Like this is

40:54

their team, so it needs to work. It's

40:56

not gonna work. The Knicks aren't gonna, I

40:59

assume the Knicks are behind five teams to

41:01

win the title in their title hopes. Is

41:03

it can we can we name five teams

41:05

off the top of our head who would

41:07

have five almost in the Western Conference alone

41:09

and well But only so I love that

41:11

because only one of them will get to

41:13

the NBA finals So the question is the

41:15

Knicks against each of those five teams where

41:17

but I think at this point like more

41:19

people would feel confident in the Pacers than

41:21

they would feel in the Knicks And I

41:24

think people look at obviously Cleveland Boston and

41:26

then whatever team comes out of the West

41:28

And maybe you feel more confident in New

41:30

York than you do than Indiana I think

41:32

Indiana's proven the second half of the year

41:34

to be a better basketball during that stretch

41:36

than New York was. They're really, really good

41:38

and they're dominating a good team in Milwaukee,

41:40

but I don't know what the odds would

41:42

say. According to DraftKings, they are tied for

41:44

seventh in terms of odds of winning the

41:46

championship. But how many Eastern teams are out

41:49

of them? Just the Cavs and Boston. Exactly

41:52

as we said.

41:55

Five other teams. They're tied with

41:57

Timberwolves plus 4 ,500. So

41:59

there you go. So both teams

42:01

according net neutral basically for the trade

42:03

the interesting thing is really just

42:05

the way that these front offices have

42:08

managed things the last few years

42:10

because you can look not just in

42:12

New York that now is in

42:14

this kind of stuck position potentially if

42:16

this doesn't work out but the

42:18

way Milwaukee and Denver will end up

42:20

feeling about the way that they've

42:22

managed their franchises post championship around literal

42:24

legends of the game and putting

42:26

those positions, putting those players in Yokoch

42:29

and Yanis in position to be

42:31

potentially unhappy. It's shocking the way

42:33

that those two franchises have kind of failed

42:35

to build around those generational players. It's my favorite

42:37

thing though about these NBA playoffs. Like, think

42:39

about where we were in that Denver Clippers series

42:41

after the first game. It's like, this is

42:43

gonna be a seven game series. This is gonna

42:45

be amazing. And now? I mean, does anyone

42:48

think Denver's gonna win another game this series? They're

42:50

cooked. Yes. Maybe. Guys, they don't win a

42:52

game, but they're not gonna win anything. Guys, it's

42:54

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