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bro October. I

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don't know. I was just watching Fox Sports One

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getting ready for the show. And now I did

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calher and have a little uh

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fun with brock Os while they're trying to promote

1:04

the game. But I was actually watching um

1:06

during the commercials our

1:09

friends at Fox TV, they said, uh, the

1:11

Houston Tections with one of the most dynamic

1:14

combinations on offense. And

1:17

then they go there and they got J. J. Watt, and they

1:19

got Nuke, and they got Deshaun Watson

1:22

and they got taken on the Miami Dolphins,

1:25

right who got rid of all of their big

1:28

name players in the off season. Still, it's

1:30

going to be interesting considering this.

1:32

Uh uh, this is a Miami team

1:35

that's still kind of hanging around, coming off an overtime

1:37

win over the Bears before the loss last

1:40

week. I got off to the hot start, then

1:42

came back down to Earth, then the big wins, surprising

1:44

win of the Bears, the lost last week. Still waiting

1:46

for Ryan Tannehill. We'll see tonight. We'll get

1:48

you ready with Edward Or will join us upcoming in fifteen

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minutes. A J. Prazinski is gonna join us World

1:53

Series champ with with the White

1:55

Sox, and we'll be

1:57

on Fox analysts. R J. Bell will get us ready for

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the weekend, and and Troy Aikman will join

2:01

us in the third and final hour of

2:04

the show. We'll get his thoughts not just

2:06

on tonight's game that he's calling on Fox in

2:08

the NFL network, but also I want

2:10

to get his thoughts on the changes

2:12

that are being made in Dallas. Amari Cooper

2:15

new wide receiver. Who how cool

2:17

is that that he's gonna go, He's gonna get back, He's gonna get

2:19

two by weeks instead of one. Anyway, a

2:21

lot to get to. Let me start with what

2:23

analytics is trying to convince this doesn't

2:26

exist. If

2:29

analytics tells us that pressure can

2:32

be calculated, analytics tells us

2:34

that there is a calculation essentially for

2:36

everything, even luck as

2:39

a calculation. Analytics

2:41

has tried to convince me for years years

2:45

that, for example, uh,

2:49

that there that protection in the lineup

2:52

doesn't exist, right, that it

2:54

doesn't really matter who hits in

2:56

front of you or behind you. But

3:00

last time I checked, this sport is

3:02

not played by robots. And

3:06

when you have some of the most talented

3:08

hitters in the game hitting

3:10

behind a guy, it stands to reason

3:13

that the pictures are going to try

3:15

and get the the gentleman

3:17

in front of them out more readily. Never

3:21

is this more apparent than watching the

3:23

Red Sox play when J. D.

3:25

Martinez is coming up. It

3:27

makes it harder and harder to pitch to Steve Pierce.

3:30

Right, you get tight, that's

3:33

what happened with Brian Madson. He

3:36

comes in, basses are juiced,

3:39

and though he was good in the wild card,

3:42

uh, and the excuse me, in the in the d S and

3:44

in the CS, he

3:47

was obviously not good in Game one. And

3:49

among the things that were led to believe,

3:52

we're led to believe that again

3:55

in baseball protection, there's

3:57

no real calculation for it. There's no such thing as

4:00

Texan in the lineup. Now.

4:02

I'm not sitting here telling you Steve Pierce isn't

4:04

a good hitter. He's eleven home runs

4:06

this year. Good

4:08

for him. His on base

4:10

was that's excellent.

4:14

Um, even if you look at his slugging five

4:16

oh seven, like he's a damn good

4:18

player, you couldn't pick him out of lineup.

4:20

If I said J D. Martinez, could you pick him

4:23

out? You mean j D. Martinez

4:25

who had forty three home runs

4:27

and a hundred and thirty RB. I of

4:29

course you could, and so too

4:32

can Ryan Madson. So

4:34

Ryan Madson comes out of the pen and throws four

4:36

balls that aren't even really close, and

4:39

we're supposed to believe that it only had

4:41

to do with the fact that Ryan Matson threw four

4:43

balls because the numbers tell you that

4:45

Madison was the best guy to go to. My

4:50

eyes can tell me that he

4:52

was tight. And

4:54

oh yeah, by the way, my senses, my spidy

4:57

senses, and my reasonable analysis

5:00

of a human being can tell you, tell me that

5:03

when J. D. Martinez is in the on deck

5:05

circle. And by the way, you

5:07

you couple it with the pressure of the moment,

5:10

the fact that you're in the fifth inning and you

5:12

might not be able to win a game in the fifth inning, but you can

5:14

sure as hell lose it. And that's what it felt like happened to

5:16

the Dodgers. When

5:19

you come in and you see J.

5:21

D. Martinez, it's gonna make

5:23

you type. You factor in the

5:25

fact that he pitched poorly the night before, and

5:28

it's the World Series, and

5:30

look, he might have had a really

5:33

good couple of series, and but

5:35

that has gone out the window. Madsen's

5:38

lost his confidence, but his skipper

5:40

hasn't lost his confidence. In the book or whoever

5:42

is advising him. This robotic effect

5:44

to Dave Roberts going back to the well,

5:47

thinking he was the right guy because he was the right

5:49

guy before, because the numbers told him he was the right

5:51

guy. The

5:54

whole idea that analytics is trying to tell me that

5:56

human beings aren't human beings, that

5:58

they won't re adversely to different

6:01

conditions in different times.

6:04

That's the magic to Derek Jeter, right,

6:06

Derek Jeter's batting average is essentially

6:08

the same in the post season as

6:10

it was in the regular season. But Derek

6:13

Jeter is a one in a million shot. Most guys

6:15

are like Ryan Manson. You

6:17

have good days, you have bad days. You got a good streak

6:19

going, then all of a sudden, you pitch poorly and

6:21

now you're tight and oh yeah, by the way,

6:24

G D J. D. Martinez is on deck and

6:27

you pooped the bed. You

6:31

know, how does

6:34

how does analytics explain Clayton Kershaw?

6:36

It can't, It

6:38

can't. It used to be. It used to say, well,

6:40

you know, in the seventh

6:42

inning, once his pitch count gets up, that

6:45

was the explanation. And

6:47

now let's sit there and say, well, you

6:49

know, he's down several

6:51

miles an hour. But the fact is that Clayton

6:54

Kershaw has been Clayton Manning. He's

6:57

been like a five pitcher in the postseason

6:59

after being the most dominant regular season pitcher we've

7:01

ever seen. Now

7:03

I'm not telling you that there aren't other factors.

7:06

Mcclintker shop. In those years in which

7:08

he fell apart against the Cardinals in the seventh inning,

7:11

he was pitching over two innings in the regular

7:13

season, he was carrying his team. They

7:15

wouldn't have been there without him.

7:18

But the fact is that analytics don't

7:20

really account for that, the wear

7:22

and tear and just pressure of

7:25

a season and then all of a sudden the postseason

7:27

and the weather kind of changes. Sure

7:30

they have splits, Sure they have what you

7:32

pitch in certain weather, but

7:36

you can't account for pressure of the

7:38

moment, combined with fatigue, combined

7:40

with who's in the on deck circle, combined

7:42

with the the umpire who may

7:44

or may not on a given day have a high

7:47

or low strike zone. I know that there are some

7:49

individual calculations, but factored all together,

7:51

and you don't have that. And

7:55

then some of it is just this. The

7:59

Dodgers can use analytics all you want. It's

8:01

not like the Red Sox don't use it. Although

8:03

Joey Corus seems to be a witch and have a way

8:06

of figuring out, how did I say, Joey Ki

8:08

did it again? Alex Cora seems to have a way

8:10

with finding every right move to make. Does

8:13

I didn't think you should take out Joe Kelly in the first

8:15

game, but he did. But he seems to have

8:17

this just magical wand effect. It's

8:20

not like the Red Sox don't use it. But

8:22

but the Dodgers getting cute with who they're gonna

8:25

put in their lineup on a given night just

8:27

tells you that they they

8:30

kind of know what the rest of us already

8:32

figured. The Red Sox are the better team,

8:34

and the way they think they can win is by being

8:37

cute, by using some sort of numericle

8:39

long range formula that ultimately will work

8:41

out but doesn't play in a seven game

8:43

series. I'm

8:45

not telling you anything you didn't know, but

8:48

if you didn't know, the Red Sox are clearly

8:50

better than the Dodgers. The Dodgers

8:52

haven't even played well, but

8:55

it doesn't seem to matter because the Dodgers

8:57

are so tied to analytics they

8:59

can't get out of their own way, and it's

9:01

taken some of the best players off the field and

9:03

made some poor pitching decisions. Here's

9:08

Dave Roberts on his decision to go back

9:10

to Ryan Mattson for a second consecutive night.

9:13

For me, right there, I have a decision to make

9:15

to give her a chance to get

9:17

out of that spot and face Pierce, or

9:19

go with a guy that I know matches up

9:21

really well, hasn't seen much of them, saw him the night

9:24

prior. But I just felt that again Mattison

9:26

was the right guy to get us out of that. And that was a difference

9:28

in the game right there. You know, you talk about

9:31

things before the game happens, and

9:33

I just felt it again Mattson was the right guy in that spot.

9:36

Yeah, and he's gonna die in there. He's gonna he's gonna

9:38

die on that hill. All right, I'm

9:40

gonna I'm gonna say it again. He was the right guy.

9:43

He didn't throw a strike, Dave, you

9:47

didn't throw a strike and he excuse

9:49

me, he threw one, but the four that were

9:51

balls, um And

9:53

and look, you could even go with the shrinking

9:55

strike zone theory, right like in big moments

9:58

on the road, you know, on the road,

10:00

especially in Fenway, that strikes own shrinks.

10:03

But the idea all the balls were in the same spot,

10:06

Like, hey, make an adjustment here. I

10:10

know you want to be perfect against these guys, but you've

10:12

got J. D. Freaking Martinez

10:14

behind him. You gotta throw strikes.

10:18

And this is no different baseball, just

10:20

like basketball and football. It does come down

10:22

to the basics that you teach your kids when they're

10:24

when they're little. Right like,

10:27

um, my new house.

10:29

We have a we have a we have a backyard

10:31

in which we haven't had in California. We got grass

10:33

and everything. Whoa. And so

10:35

last night, for the first time, my

10:38

son and I played catch in our new Backyard's got

10:40

new sod kind of down. It still hasn't taken

10:42

in, but we measured off and he pitches, depending

10:44

on the league, forty six ft and

10:47

he's nine, and he knows how to throw a little bit

10:49

of a curveball, a little bit of a slider. We

10:52

prefer him to throw a change up, but he wants to throw all the

10:54

stuff. And I said, hey, dude, nobody's

10:56

gonna let you pitch unless you can go out there and throw strikes.

10:59

If you throw strikes and they wail away on

11:01

it, and no coach is gonna be mad at you.

11:04

You know, just throw strikes. If you just

11:07

throw strikes, you're gonna be better off. You're gonna

11:09

pitch more often, and then you get up O two

11:11

and then you can fool around and throw a curve ball,

11:13

which ends up being like a change up that doesn't move.

11:18

And that's no different than when Matson comes

11:20

in. Whatever

11:23

you do, just throw strikes. But

11:26

but I don't blame Madison

11:29

for not having personal confidence in

11:31

the moment coming

11:33

off a game. He didn't pitch well against the guy

11:35

who's seen him. Roberts, by the way, contradicts

11:38

himself. Well, you know he hasn't really seen him. He did

11:40

see him in Game one, though, and

11:42

as we talked about yesterday with Matt Holiday, seeing

11:44

a guy for a second time

11:46

in two days does make you at

11:49

least feel better about that approach. He

11:52

ended the game in Game one, bottom of the fifth, gave

11:54

up two runs after a walk a

11:56

fielder's choice in a single end of the game. Game

11:58

to bottom of the fifth gave up three runs.

12:01

He walked the first batter Piercy saw and then of

12:03

course you saw J. D. Martinez on a single. So

12:10

I don't whatever the numbers tell you,

12:15

right, you want to tell me it's an anomaly,

12:17

Hey, the numbers told me. The numbers

12:19

told me, I call it pressure. Pressure

12:23

makes anyone performed differently. It

12:27

does. Have you ever had a camera

12:30

put in your face when you're at a sporting event and

12:32

then you go back, You're like, man, I acted like a complete idiot?

12:35

Why was that a little bit pressure? Some

12:37

people can't handle the pressure of public speaking.

12:42

They get up there and they have a

12:44

time limit, they have microphone, they have

12:46

a light in their face. It

12:48

doesn't even matter that Ryan Mattson has shown

12:50

he can pitch under pressure in the d S and the CS.

12:53

The fact is, for whatever reason, in the World

12:55

Series, especially when J. D. Martinez

12:58

is on deck, he hasn't felt fair well.

13:03

And Dave Roberts, you know, trying

13:05

the same thing over and over again expecting

13:08

a different result. We know what. That's the definition

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Major League of MLB. Pregame starts

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at seven thirty. The game is at eight, that's

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eight Eastern time. Five Pacific Red

13:34

Sox Dodgers and not elimination

13:36

game, but must win time. Now A

13:39

j what what's your assessment of Dave Roberts

13:41

managing to this point. He's

13:44

done what he's done all year. Uh.

13:46

And it's tough, man. It's

13:48

tough to look guys in the face

13:50

and say, hey, guess what. Cody

13:53

Bellinger, Max Munsey, these

13:55

guys. Jock Peterson said, you're not gonna play the

13:57

first two games. You're not gonna start the first two games

13:59

of the World Series. And those are some of your best

14:01

players, and they've been there for you all year. And I

14:03

know they've done it all year, but I'm a big believer, and

14:05

you go with your best nine, especially in crunch time.

14:08

And he hasn't done it and

14:10

hasn't worked the first two games. But now they get to go

14:12

home to l A and we'll see what happens. But I heard

14:14

you talking about Ryan Matson. I mean, that's one of the problems

14:16

with all this bullpenning that everyone's so in love with, is

14:19

all it takes is one guy to have an off night and it screws

14:21

up the whole thing. Yeah, and I liken it to surgery,

14:24

right like, more times you go in, the more times

14:26

something something can go wrong. Um.

14:28

And I also think that that that while all that statistical

14:31

data is great, different guys

14:33

react differently to different levels

14:36

of pressure. And I mean you could

14:38

tell in Game one he wasn't right. I'm watching him

14:40

in Game two. I'm like, dude, this guy has no confidence.

14:43

I just I don't really, I

14:45

don't really understand. Is this what Dave Roberts

14:48

wants to do? Or is this what he was hired to do? And

14:50

so that's why he's doing You're gonna

14:52

have to ask Andrew Freeden and that is he the

14:55

the president of baseball ops over there the

14:57

Dodger land. Um, I don't know think

15:00

it's what he's done now? Was he hired

15:02

because he would say he would do this? I would

15:05

say he probably had to say okay to whatever they wanted

15:07

because he was a young guy with no experience. So, um,

15:10

but does he want to do it? I think he's had enough success

15:13

with it that he believes in it now. Um,

15:16

but man, does he want to do this? I don't

15:18

know. I mean, I'm sure he wished Kershaw and and when

15:20

you would go out there and give him nine solid anything, he didn't

15:22

have to worry about it. But that hasn't happened, and the

15:24

Dodgers haven't followed that philosophy. For the last two post

15:26

seasons, we've seen no a J.

15:28

Persinski joining us on the Doug got Lib Show.

15:31

What about the idea that, hey, the Red

15:33

Sox are just better? Is that a

15:35

fair explanation for what's happened? I

15:38

can't argue with that. Yes, there's been

15:40

some questionable moves, but yeah, at

15:43

the end of the day, I think you looked one through. The Red

15:45

Sox have a better team. I mean their lineup is done

15:47

what they've done all year, and that's hit there. They

15:50

just you know what the Red Sox have. They

15:52

have guys to get big hits. Forget the numbers. I know

15:54

J. D. Martinez, Mookie Best is probably the

15:57

the most valuable player in the American League. But they

15:59

got guys just get big hits and big situations.

16:01

You give me twenty five guys to get big hits and then

16:03

that may not be the biggest names, but I'll take those twenty

16:06

five guys and go to battle every time. How

16:08

do you explain the two out the

16:10

two out rallies they've had the fact that they've dominated

16:13

with two outs. That's that's my

16:15

point. There, you go, They've got guys to get big

16:17

hits and they want to be up in those situations. There's a there's

16:20

a huge difference between having

16:22

guys that say, oh, yeah, I want to be the man. I want

16:24

to be the man. I want to be the man, and then having guys that actually

16:26

want to be the man. And you've got a couple. You've got nine

16:28

guys on the Boston Red Sox. I played with a

16:31

bunch of those guys. Ian Kinsler, I played

16:33

with Mitch Moreland, I played with Mookie Batt's, Sander

16:35

Bogart's. All these guys

16:37

were guys that I played with somewhere along in my career.

16:40

And these guys all thriving that under those pressure

16:42

situations, they want to be up in those situations.

16:44

And there's a huge difference. You

16:47

gotta want to be up in those situations and until

16:50

you step into the box and you can accept

16:52

it, Hey, I might make it out right here, but I want I

16:54

want the pressure on me. Then you can

16:56

kind of own in. And the Red Sox have those guys,

16:58

and it is it is to be the

17:00

team of those guys. I'm not saying the Dodgers guys

17:02

aren't like that. But to me, if you look at the way

17:04

the Red Sox are playing, the confidence they have in the way

17:07

they go about it, and they want to be up in those big

17:09

situations. What changed with Craig Kimberll

17:12

Well, he was tipping pitches, wasn't he noting? Everyone was

17:14

saying that that

17:17

simple? No? Is it something when

17:19

he holds his arm out to the right hand side, if he holds

17:21

it a certain angles at a certain pitch like that,

17:23

that whole peering in thing is odd.

17:26

Like when was he tipping pitches? They

17:28

said? When he was? I think when he was bringing his glove up

17:30

is what they were saying. But I don't know. I

17:32

mean, she's if it was that simple, I mean, everybody

17:35

would have hit him all year because trust me, there's

17:37

cameras on everything you do. So I

17:39

don't know he was off on this fastball. First of all,

17:41

the the Astros

17:43

did a great job of laying off some really good pitches. They didn't

17:46

swing in his breaking off. You watch those games and

17:48

you notice in those games they did not swing in a breaking

17:50

ball, So did they know they were coming. Maybe where

17:52

they guessing and counts maybe? Um,

17:55

excuse me? Were they great hitters? Yes? And did they

17:57

lay off a lot of good pitches? Yes? So they also

17:59

had dude. They also had a dude in the camera. Well who

18:02

was he was? He was he was making

18:04

sure that they weren't they weren't

18:06

stealing signs, right, that's that's that's

18:09

interesting. I mean, but hey, MLB cleared him,

18:11

so obviously they were doing no wrong. Right, Yeah,

18:15

I love I love how they cleared him

18:17

and then said, but no one else can do that ever

18:19

again. There's nothing wrong with what he did, but

18:21

we're not going to do that ever again. Well,

18:23

you know, they gotta they gotta make sure that everyone understands

18:26

that they shouldn't do that again and that they weren't doing anything

18:28

wrong. You just had an investigation in two

18:30

days to make sure that he was just making

18:32

sure that the Red Sox weren't stealing signs. It was. It

18:34

was an interesting play by MLB, but I think

18:37

everyone in all parties were satisfied with the result

18:40

because the Red Sox won the series. Are

18:43

are the Are the Dodgers dead? I

18:46

don't think they are. I just don't. I think they're

18:48

gonna They're gonna find a way in l a um

18:50

the cold. The Fenway Park

18:53

is a different animal until you've played

18:55

a playoff game. And if you look

18:57

at the the Dodger

19:00

roster, they don't have a bunch of guys that have ever played

19:02

there. There wasn't a ton of guys that have played the outfield

19:04

there. They haven't been in games there. Kershaw

19:07

had never pitched there. I mean, there is

19:09

some major factors and some major different

19:11

things. The way you warm up there is different than

19:13

any other park. The way you play

19:16

the outfield and play the infield and and

19:18

move around, and the dugouts are weird. It's

19:20

just a different atmosphere. And until you've been there

19:22

and you've played in the death place, you

19:24

cannot tell someone it would be like like

19:26

you played college of basketball, would be like the first

19:28

time you went to say Kansas and just

19:31

has the courts the same. Everything is the same,

19:33

but something's just a little bit off. That's Fenway

19:35

Park. Yeah. I would also say, and you

19:37

tell me if I'm wrong, Like, look,

19:39

if you're you're a Dodger and I live in southern California,

19:42

but I've lived back East, like your Dodger.

19:44

That means eighty two home games the year

19:46

you got perfect weather, right, and then

19:49

and then and then of your road games. San

19:51

Francisco can get a little chilly. Um.

19:54

But outside of that in division uh

19:56

and and maybe if you play in Colorado earlier

19:58

late in the year, outside of that you're playing in

20:00

perfect weather or in domes, you probably

20:03

play twenty game.

20:05

It's a summer sport. You're playing twenty

20:07

games all year at most

20:09

where it's below sixty degrees.

20:12

Sixty degrees, yeah, that

20:14

they had the other night where Clayton Kersha had only

20:16

pitched one game under fifty degrees. Heck, when I was in

20:19

Chicago, we played three months in or fifty degrees.

20:21

So and

20:23

it is different. Like I tell people this all

20:25

the time. The coldest day in the United States

20:27

is fifty degrees in Newport Beach. Because

20:29

you're just not used to it, and it's twenty

20:31

degrees below what you're used to, you're like, oh

20:34

my god, this is the coldest I've ever felt.

20:36

And so San Francisco, you go to

20:38

San Francisco, it's like that. It's it's

20:40

crazy how cold and how chilly,

20:43

and just San Francisco. I mean the middle of August

20:45

and it's seventy seventy degrees

20:47

high and fifty cloud in

20:50

foggy at night. I mean, it feels like you're in

20:52

the frozen tundra. A

20:55

J. Persinski joining us on the Doug Gotlip Show

20:57

on Fox Sports Radio. Um,

21:00

give me your sense of of Walker

21:02

Bueller and the

21:04

likelihood that he steps up and that

21:06

doesn't just pitch well, but you can get out of

21:08

say the fifth inning, where they haven't gotten you know,

21:10

one star goes four and one star goes five. So far,

21:13

they don't want him. They don't do they want him to go to the fifth

21:15

inning? That would be my question, they really want

21:18

them to go to the fifth inning because they could have gotten

21:20

guys through the fifth inning where you could have got

21:22

through the fifth inning last night if they really wanted them

21:24

to. But that's not the way the Dodgers play.

21:26

They don't. They don't care if they get through the fifth

21:28

inning. They just they just want guys to

21:30

get them to their bullpen as fast as they can. That's

21:33

that's the Dodgers baseball. That's just the way it is.

21:35

So I don't know do they even really want

21:37

him to go to the fifth inning. If he could,

21:39

he's got the stuff. That guy is nasty. Mean, that guy's

21:41

stuff is as good as anybody's stuff I've seen this

21:44

year. So could he do it? Yeah? Could he go

21:46

out and pitch great and have a rich Hill

21:48

situation from last year? Or

21:50

the show was dealing in the fifth inning and they took him out

21:52

just because the computer said it take him out?

21:54

Absolutely? So do they want him to get

21:56

through the fifth inning? If they do, he will, And if they don't,

21:59

then don't make their decision and they'll live with it.

22:01

I was talking about. This is my producer. If

22:04

you're a millennial, it's really hard for

22:06

people to understand how

22:08

how bad the Red Sox were or how they

22:10

couldn't get over the hump the eighties

22:12

six years and and now you got

22:15

all these you know, you get The

22:17

good thing about the Red Sox invading Dodger Stadium

22:19

is they're also polite and none of them are arrogant at

22:21

all. Right, So that's

22:23

funny. People used to ask me all the time, they're the worst

22:26

fans were And I used to always say, you know what they

22:28

were, the Yankee fans, and then the

22:30

Red Sox one, and then it all changed.

22:32

It was like, man, you guys used to be so nice

22:34

because you guys have never won, and then all of a sudden,

22:37

you guys win, and you're not so nice anymore. What happened

22:39

to that nice that you guys used to have. It used

22:41

to be like, oh, you know, they're Boston, they're fine, but man,

22:43

you got the Yankees standing maybe all over. And then as soon as the Red

22:46

Sox one to know for it completely changed. And

22:48

now it's just they win all the time.

22:50

Now it's just a given anither Patriots are gonna

22:52

win and the Red Sox are gonna win. But the Patriots

22:55

were bad for a long time and the Red Sox

22:57

were worse for even longer. And it's hard to explain.

22:59

Somebody like, trust me, this is like the when the Saints

23:01

won the Super You're like, you know, it's like ten years

23:03

ago. They used to wear bad paper bags over their heads.

23:06

Be like no way, Like, yeah, the Saints were. The

23:08

Saints were what the Browns have been the last five years,

23:10

But they were that way for twenty five years. You're

23:12

right, you're right, um, and

23:14

the Red Sox were like that forever. Um,

23:17

so yeah, It's amazing how certain people

23:19

come in. Heck, look at the Cubs. The Cups are the same way. Now.

23:21

The Cubs are America's Darling. I mean,

23:23

they win, they once they won. I

23:26

mean, man, it's like everyone just assumes

23:28

they win every year now. But it's not that easy,

23:30

especially in baseball. But it is

23:32

good for the game though. I think. I think it's good for the

23:34

Red Sox to be good. It's good for the Yankees to be good.

23:37

I know people all get tired of seeing them, but man, people

23:39

tune in to watch those series. What's

23:42

you mentioned that that Fenway's tricky?

23:45

What's Dodgers Stadium like? Very

23:47

fair? Um? Not that not a not

23:49

a great place to hit. The games are at five o'clock. The shadows

23:51

are gonna be tough. Um, it's very fair

23:54

if the Marine layers there. As you know, being out in l

23:56

A, it can be a little difficult

23:58

to get the ball out of the park. But um,

24:01

it is very fair. It's it's definitely one

24:04

of the most fair ballparks for a picture

24:07

in all of baseball. With the game

24:09

trending towards offense and home runs, Dodger

24:12

Stadium is very fair and

24:14

it gives up home runs, it should be home runs,

24:16

and hopefully the people arrive on time,

24:18

because Dodger Stadium has a reputation of guys

24:20

showing up a little bit later. The fans um,

24:23

but they'll be on full force and they'll be loud, and they'll

24:25

be behind their team. But understand is always a fun

24:28

place because you know it's gonna be seventy and sunny every

24:30

game. So so very fair to

24:32

people who don't don't know the baseball lingo. That's

24:34

like like New Yankee Stadium, where you

24:36

hit a little dink up in the air and right center and

24:38

it goes out that that's the opposite of

24:40

being very fair. Right, I'm just trying to give the

24:43

very fair means you have to hit a home run. To hit a home run,

24:46

Um, it Actually, to

24:48

be honest with you, I think that if

24:50

anything, Dodger Stadium is a

24:52

pictures park. Over not quite to

24:54

the fact that like a T and T up in San

24:56

fran is a pictures park, but it is. It

24:59

definitely leans more to it's pitching in a dot towards

25:01

hitting a j great stuff. Look

25:03

forward to seeing you on Fox this upcoming weekend.

25:05

Thanks so much for joining us, Hey, no problem, thanks

25:07

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25:09

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25:11

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25:16

Some players told victafor

25:19

of the Athletic the way Gruden handled the trades

25:21

has them questioning the coaches. Quote accountability.

25:24

When what you say and what you do are two different

25:27

things. There's a problem when players said. Veteran

25:29

players who spoke with Tafer indicated that they

25:31

don't believe Gruden when he says he's

25:33

not tanking in two thousand eighteen. You

25:36

have to wonder if we haven't

25:38

been playing for draft picks all along. One

25:40

player said, despite everything the coaches

25:42

told us a training camp. Another

25:44

player described the Mac deal as a stiff jab,

25:47

but the Cooper trade as a knockout punch because

25:49

the players were blindsided by it coming

25:51

out of a bye. We didn't want

25:53

to believe it was coming, and coach says we weren't

25:55

going to trade him. The veteran said he

25:58

actually didn't say he wasn't gonna trade

26:00

him, and part of the reason

26:02

they didn't think they were gonna make the clil Mack trade.

26:04

And part of the reason they didn't think they were going to make it

26:06

Amari Cooper trade was no

26:09

one believed that someone would give him

26:11

a first round pick and take Amari Cooper's entire

26:13

contract off his hands. People

26:15

didn't believe that anybody would offer two first round

26:18

picks for clil mac and then give him the biggest

26:20

contract in the history of the league at his position, but

26:23

they did. This

26:26

is a lot like when you ask a

26:28

coach after a big game. I had on

26:32

was Jeff Brom earlier

26:34

this week from from Purdue. I'm

26:36

not gonna ask him about Louisville. Louisville's

26:39

coaching. Louisville's position is

26:41

not open. He played there, It

26:44

is not open. And

26:46

oh yeah, by the way, as of right now, they

26:48

o Petrino a lot of money. They're still on the

26:50

hook with a lawsuit with Pattino for a lot of

26:52

money. So I was to ask him first,

26:54

it's n fairy still got games to be played. Second,

26:57

like, he may answer the question no, I'm

27:01

I'm in on on Perdue, but by the end

27:03

of the season he may see that, you

27:05

know, there's just a ceiling to this program.

27:08

And oh yeah, by the way, whatever money is

27:10

out there that he feels like Louisville doesn't

27:13

Louisville doesn't have. Now they make it out of the Patino

27:15

deal, they make it out of the Petrino deal. They

27:17

may have f you money to throw at him,

27:20

and that may change everything. Sometimes

27:22

it depends when you ask a guy. But the biggest

27:24

thing is, we're we're so concerned

27:27

about coaches losing a locker room.

27:30

What if you love the locker room that

27:32

you didn't want to keep to begin with. He

27:35

can't tell you they're tanking, can't

27:38

tell his own players, Heyward

27:40

tanking. The

27:43

first rule of tank club, John Ramos

27:45

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27:47

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27:49

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28:06

hall of famer from the Dallas Cowboys, three time Super

28:08

winning quarterback, joinses here on the

28:10

Doug Gottlieb Show. Troy, thanks so much for taking

28:13

time. Um, I think

28:15

Brock's gonna handle tonight. Going back to Houston,

28:17

the team that signed him as a free agent, but

28:19

jettison to him after it clearly

28:21

didn't work. Yeah, I think

28:23

he's downplayed, you know, what it means

28:25

to come back here to Houston and whatever the

28:28

relationship was or wasn't with

28:30

with him and Bill O'Brien. But if

28:32

you're any kind of competitor, as you well know, to

28:34

come back here and where you you know,

28:36

basically got jettisoned after one season, you

28:39

want to put on a great performance.

28:41

It's gonna be a challenge for him. They're they're pretty beat

28:43

up the wide receiver position after

28:46

last week's game against the Lions, and then they're facing

28:48

a defense that has played exceptionally

28:50

well. I don't think the numbers really tell the

28:52

whole story about about that defense and

28:55

how they're gonna handle you

28:57

know, Jadeveon Clowney and and J. J.

28:59

Watt is any but he's guests, nobody really has been able

29:01

to do that. So this will be uh, this will be a

29:03

real challenge not only for brock Oswalder

29:05

coming and play well, but for the entire Dolphins

29:07

team. No question. Now, they do have one

29:09

guy you can count on that's Frank Gore. Who didn't you guys

29:12

come out of school the same year. If he feels that

29:14

way, doesn't it. Yeah,

29:16

we've been He's pretty remarkable, you

29:18

know. I mean when you look at what he's been able

29:21

to do at his age and and I you

29:23

know, and getting ready for this game and studying him,

29:26

Uh, he looks like the same guy to me.

29:28

I'm sure he doesn't, you know, run quite as well.

29:30

And you know, for those that don't

29:32

really know a lot about Frank Gore's career,

29:35

essentially most people thought it was over before it ever

29:37

got started. Uh, blowing out you know,

29:39

both a cls in college, and he's

29:42

been Uh, he's been a fun guy to watch for a lot

29:44

of years. How is that possible?

29:46

I guess Here here's a here's a question. Um,

29:49

he's never been the best running back in the

29:51

league. He's probably never been the second

29:53

or even third best running back in the league.

29:55

But I think he's got by Mike eight thousand

29:58

yards seasons. Um, just

30:00

kind of the picture of consistency. Is

30:02

that worthy of getting into the Hall of Fame?

30:06

Well, he's certainly in the argument. I

30:08

think someone could could make a case for

30:11

why he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. And and

30:13

then when you look at his numbers, h Granted

30:15

he's played a long time, but when you look at his numbers relative

30:18

to a lot of running backs that are in the Hall of Fame, uh,

30:20

it stands the reason that he has a good chance to get

30:22

in. And I think probably the most

30:25

remarkable thing to me for a guy

30:27

who's taken the punishment that he takes

30:30

and at his age, he has not missed

30:32

a game, uh since two thousand

30:34

and eleven. Umbelievable.

30:37

Yeah, I mean he's been durable and an elite where

30:40

you know, guys get injured all the time. He's

30:43

been there. He's I loved him when he was in San Francisco,

30:45

and I like him now that he's in Miami as well.

30:47

All Right, here's a hard question to ask, but you're

30:49

the perfect guy to ask. You run

30:51

great teams, you went to the you're in

30:54

the Hall of Fame, six time pro bowler, super

30:56

m v P. Right, but when people look

30:58

at your stats and then they look get

31:00

you know, Pat Mahomesteads are like, well, this guy's

31:03

but the sport has changed so dramatically

31:06

right the between and not just a quarterback.

31:08

Everything you can block further down the line

31:10

of scrimmage, uh than you used to

31:12

be able to pick plays. They almost never call a

31:15

pick play, um, you know,

31:18

in a game, and then you can't touch wide receivers

31:20

and so it's been more plays, more

31:22

yards. So how should what's the proper

31:25

way for us the fan? When you watch a quarterback,

31:27

it's totally different. But for us the fan, we're

31:29

so trained to look at that box score. We see three yards

31:32

and we're like, oh, he had a good game. How do we know

31:34

if a guy had a good game. Well,

31:36

I think that I think the eyeball

31:38

test. I don't think it's a matter of seeing,

31:41

uh, seeing numbers and all that, um,

31:43

as far as you know what's going on

31:46

when you go back afterwards you look at a box score

31:49

and say, well, this guy, I think you can watch a game

31:51

and know whether a guy's playing well. I I

31:53

think the argument that that you

31:55

know, well, hey, this guy should be awarded

31:59

this because look his numbers compared to

32:01

someone else's. I I've never thought

32:03

that that really meant much of anything.

32:05

It's just not the way the game's played. And so

32:08

I think when you look back at the seventies with Roger

32:10

Staback. When he left the game, he was the

32:12

number one rated quarterback

32:15

of all time, and it was in the

32:17

in the low eighties, and and now if you're

32:20

not in the mid nineties, you're you're essentially

32:22

not playing the position very

32:24

effectively, and so a lot

32:26

has changed. I think it's been exciting this year,

32:28

especially with with the emphasis on

32:31

you know, illegal contact and things like that. Down

32:33

the field scoring is up. I think that's what fans

32:35

want, at least that's what they they claim

32:38

to want, and that's what the studies

32:40

suggest, and that's why the league has had some of the rules

32:42

that they've had. But I think that

32:45

most fans, if not all fans, can can

32:47

watch a game and watch

32:49

a quarterback and have a pretty good idea

32:51

as to whether or not that guy had a good

32:53

performance. Not so much with other positions.

32:56

There's a reason why you always here coaches

32:58

say, hey, we gotta go back and look at the film and and

33:00

and I think there's a lot of truth to that. It's

33:02

it's hard to see it all in real time. But

33:05

I don't know that that's the case with quarterbacks.

33:07

Fill the void with the no world serious Knight you don't

33:09

need a change the channel from Fox. Last night you got Dolphins,

33:11

Texans Sursday night football. Troy, I mean Joe

33:13

Buck. I'm sure he's got his own kind

33:15

of private Fox, their Fox Chet. He'll be,

33:17

he'll be, he'll be alongside coverage

33:20

begins seven thirties cron time, four thirty

33:22

Pacific, doing yeoman's work. Um, he

33:24

claims that you're in better shape now

33:26

than you were when you played. That's what he told us.

33:29

Well, that might be true. And I

33:32

and you know, I think when you start

33:34

making those kinds of statements, then basically

33:37

what you're saying is you've gotten old. I mean, you don't. You

33:39

don't hear twenty five year old saying, Hey, I'm in the

33:41

best shape of final. So

33:44

I think my training is much different, um

33:46

than what it was as a player. And

33:49

and quite honestly, you know, I was. I trained

33:51

hard when I was when I was playing as well,

33:53

but I wish that I had done. I

33:55

retired Doug when I did, primarily because

33:58

of a bad back. A lot of people think of because

34:00

of head injury, but my back was giving a lot of problems

34:02

and I hired a trainer five years

34:04

into retirement because my back was still

34:06

bothering me. And I've been back paying

34:09

free for now over ten years, and

34:11

I feel better, my diets better. I

34:14

wish I had known about this guy and was doing

34:16

some of these things back when I was playing. But you

34:18

know, when you brought up what we see

34:20

today from these quarterbacks in the numbers,

34:22

the other part of that also is,

34:25

you know, Tom Brady certainly has gotten behind wellness.

34:27

But we're seeing guys like Patrick Mahomes

34:30

who come in very early in their careers

34:32

and they are already, you know, following

34:34

a strict regiment. They are a corporation

34:36

essentially amongst themselves, where they have a whole

34:39

support staff to make sure that they're doing

34:41

all the right things to get themselves ready

34:43

and preserve their careers. And and

34:45

so we're going going to see quarterbacks

34:47

playing for a long long time, and it's gonna it's

34:49

gonna it's not gonna be abnormal to see quarterbacks

34:51

playing into their forties. Yeah,

34:55

it's pretty It's pretty amazing though, that

34:57

we get to like forty and now all of a

34:59

sudden discovered like yoga. We're like, man, why

35:01

didn't I do this when I played? I

35:04

know, I know, and I and I, Hey, I've

35:06

discovered yoga as well. You break that

35:08

up, So you know a lot of things. I think when

35:10

you get older and your listeners can can certainly

35:12

relate that. You know, things start hurting

35:15

and breaking down, and then then that's usually

35:17

when they start drawing attention and you try to

35:19

fix it. But um, these

35:21

these guys today, the athletes anyway, they're they're

35:24

taking much player care of themselves at much earlier age.

35:26

You did an amazing job in the draft. I just loved

35:28

your level of investment in it. And

35:31

and so uh that that same level

35:33

of evaluation when you see Deshaun Watson who

35:35

was banged up. I mean he had to take a had

35:37

to take like a bus or a van because

35:40

they were worried about him flying. And then he plays on

35:42

the road. I obviously know he's questioned this kid's toughness,

35:45

but can he be durable

35:47

enough considering the style he

35:49

plays, the two A C l entries he's had,

35:51

and the beating he's taken. Like, what's your

35:53

assessment of Deshaun Watson and

35:56

what the likehood is that that he withstands

35:58

this season considering the injuries

36:00

and the durability well,

36:02

it's a great question. And uh, you know, we

36:05

are seeing quarterbacks run

36:07

the football more, more designed runs

36:09

with the quarterbacks and than we've ever seen before.

36:12

Or the league's not protecting these guys

36:14

as as as much as as

36:16

they once did. And and yet I

36:19

still believe that you've got to be real careful when you're

36:21

when when a guy is absorbing the amount of hits

36:23

that someone like Deshaun Watson has taken,

36:25

it's already taken a toll. Uh, Like

36:27

you said he would take a bust the last week's scheme

36:29

because he's got a broken rip or

36:32

a punctured lung and and you know everything

36:34

else. So, um, he is

36:37

tough, You're right, but he's taken away too

36:39

many hits. Some of that is the offensive line has really

36:41

struggles. No, that's his own doing that. He's

36:43

just held the ball, and you know, he needs to be

36:45

a little bit better and knowing when to get rid of

36:47

it and not getting hit as much. But

36:50

if he continues to get hit the way that he has, you

36:53

know, and then you start saying, he's gonna have a real hard

36:55

time making it through the season. And I don't

36:57

think he's back to where he was last year prior

36:59

to the injuries coming, you know, obviously coming off the knee

37:02

like you said, but then also just playing through

37:04

a great deal of pain. But what a talent he is,

37:06

and I'm excited about watching him play tonight.

37:08

I'm excited to see you break him down. Last

37:10

thing, Marii Cooper traded to the Dallas

37:12

Cowboys. I know everybody asked Cowboys question,

37:15

does does he enough? Does he fix the

37:17

offense which at times has been in apt, causing

37:19

Jason Garrett to be a little bit more conservative

37:21

than I think even Garrett wants to be. Well,

37:24

I think he's he's got to help him in in

37:27

in some way. I mean, you take a guy with

37:29

his abilities, uh, it stands

37:31

the reason that they'll be better with him. But I don't

37:33

think it's just a situation where you put him

37:35

in and all of a sudden you're often rolling.

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You know, It's different than when Chicago brings in Khalil

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Mack and you bring in a pass rusher. You're bringing

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a running back and those positions in

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a lot of ways are kind of plug and play. And that's

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not the case with wide receiver. I've had receivers

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who I've spent very little time with who immediately

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you're on the same page. And and they run

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routes are very quarterback friendly. And I've had other receivers

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who I've spent a lot of time with an

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entire offseason and pre season, and

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you never feel like you're on the same page just because

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of the way they do things. So I don't

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know how that chemistry is gonna gonna work out. They

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do have a bye week this week, but I don't know how

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it's going to work out over the course of the season

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between between he and back. But there

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there are more problems with that with that

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offense than simply saying, hey, we need

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a number one go to wide receiver.

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Right, you know, the offensive line has not been

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you know, it's been set, but they are not

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what they were a couple of years ago. Some of that Travis

38:27

Frederick not playing, but even the others who have been

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in the lineup are not playing at the same level. And

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Deck's been taking a lot of pressure. And

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and then also when they've had the protection

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and guys have been open, and you know, maybe Dak

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misses the throw. So there's a

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lot of variables in this. I'm a little

38:43

hesitant to say that that a Marii

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Cooper's presence is going to change what

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they've shown us up to this point. Offensively great

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stuff the Hall of Famer, Troy. Remember to fill that void

38:52

with no no World Series game tonight, but keep it on

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Fox. Dolphins Texans Joe Buck

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on the call with Troy Been. Coverage starts

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seven thirty Eastern. I'm four thirty Pacific

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on Fox. Not mis stake, Troy. Thanks

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for joining us. You got a dog? Hey? Thanks

39:05

buddy. All Right, that's Troy Aikman joining

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us in the Doug Gottlieb Show