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bro October. I

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getting ready for the show. And now I did

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Calherd have a little uh

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fun with brock Os while they're trying to promote

1:02

the game. But I was actually watching um

1:05

during the commercials our

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friends at Fox TV, they said, uh, the

1:09

Houston textions with one of the most dynamic

1:12

combinations on offense, and

1:16

then they go there and they got J. J. Watt and they

1:18

got Nuke and they got Deshaun Watson

1:20

and they got taken on the Miami Dolphins,

1:23

right who got rid of all of their big

1:26

name players in the off season. Still, it's

1:28

going to be interesting considering this.

1:31

Uh uh, this is a Miami team

1:33

that's still kind of hanging around, coming off an overtime

1:35

win over the Bears before the loss last

1:38

week. They got off to the hot start, then

1:40

came back down to earth. Then the big wins surprising

1:42

win of the Bears, the lost last week. Still waiting

1:44

for Ryan Tannehill. We'll see tonight. We'll get

1:46

you ready with Edward or we will join us upcoming in fifteen

1:49

minutes. A J. Prazinski is gonna join US World

1:51

Series champ with with the White

1:53

Sox and we'll be

1:55

on Fox. Analyst R. J. Bell will get us ready

1:57

for the weekend, and Troy Aikman will and

2:00

us in the third and final hour of

2:02

the show. We'll get his thoughts not just

2:04

on tonight's game that he's calling on Fox in the

2:06

NFL network, but also I want

2:08

to get his thoughts on the changes

2:11

that are being made in Dallas. Amari Cooper

2:13

new wide receiver. Who how cool

2:15

is that that he's gonna go He's gonna get back, He's gonna get

2:17

two by weeks instead of one. Anyway, a

2:19

lot to get to. Let me start with what

2:22

analytics is trying to convince us doesn't

2:24

exist. If

2:27

analytics tells us that pressure can

2:31

be calculated, analytics tells us

2:33

that there is a calculation essentially for

2:35

everything, even luck as

2:37

a calculation. Analytics

2:40

has tried to convince me for years years

2:43

that, for example, uh,

2:48

that there that protection in the lineup

2:50

doesn't exist, right, that

2:52

it doesn't really matter who hits

2:54

in front of you or behind you. But

2:58

last time I checked, this sport is

3:00

not played by robots. And

3:04

when you have some of the most talented

3:06

hitters in the game hitting

3:08

behind a guy, it stands to reason

3:11

that the pictures are going to try

3:13

and get the the the gentleman

3:15

in front of them out more readily. Never

3:19

is this more apparent than watching the

3:21

Red Sox play when J. D.

3:24

Martinez is coming up. It

3:26

makes it harder and harder to pitch to Steve Pierce.

3:28

Right, you get tight. That's

3:31

what happened with Brian Madson. He

3:34

comes in, basses are juiced

3:37

and though he was good in the wild card,

3:40

uh, and the excuse me, in the in the d S and

3:42

in the CS, he

3:45

was obviously not good in Game one. And

3:47

among the things that were led to believe,

3:50

we're led to believe that again

3:53

in baseball, protection there's

3:55

no real calculation for it. There's no such thing

3:58

as protection in the lineup. Now,

4:00

I'm not sitting here telling you Steve Pierce isn't

4:02

a good hitter. He's eleven home runs

4:04

this year, good

4:06

for him. His on base

4:09

was that's excellent.

4:12

Um, even if you look at his slugging five

4:14

oh seven, like he's a damn good

4:16

player, you couldn't pick him out of the lineup.

4:19

If I said J D. Martinez, could you pick him

4:21

out? You mean J D. Martinez

4:23

who had forty three home runs

4:26

and a hundred and thirty RB. I of

4:28

course you could, and so too

4:30

can Ryan Madson. So

4:32

Ryan Madson comes out of the pen and throws four

4:35

balls that aren't even really close, and

4:37

we're supposed to believe that it only had

4:39

to do with the fact that Ryan Matson threw four

4:41

balls, because the numbers tell you that

4:43

Madison was the best guy to go to my

4:48

eyes, can tell me that he

4:50

was tight, and

4:53

oh yeah, by the way, my senses, my

4:55

spidy senses, and my reasonable

4:58

analysis of a human being can tell

5:00

tell me that when J. D. Martinez

5:02

is in the on deck circle. And

5:04

by the way, you you couple it with the pressure

5:07

of the moment, the fact that you're in the

5:09

fifth inning and you might not be able to

5:11

win a game in the fifth inning, but you can sure as hell lose

5:13

it. And that's what felt like happened to the Dodgers. When

5:17

you come in and you see J.

5:19

D. Martinez, it's gonna make

5:21

you type. You factor in the

5:24

fact that he pitched poorly the night before, and

5:26

it's the World Series, and

5:29

look, he might have had a really

5:31

good couple of series, and but

5:33

that has gone out the window. Madsen's

5:36

lost his confidence, but his skipper

5:38

hasn't lost his confidence. In the book or whoever

5:40

is advising him. This robotic effect

5:43

to Dave Roberts going back to the well,

5:45

thinking he was the right guy because he was the right

5:47

guy before, because the numbers told him he was the right

5:49

guy. The

5:52

whole idea that analytics is trying to tell me that

5:54

human beings aren't human beings that

5:57

they won't react adversely to different

5:59

conditions in different times.

6:02

That's the magic to Derek Jeter, right,

6:04

Derek Jeter's batting average is essentially

6:07

the same in the post season as

6:09

it was in the regular season. But Derek

6:11

Jeter is a one in a million shot. Most

6:13

guys are like Ryan Madson. You

6:16

have good days, you have bad days. You got a good streak

6:18

going, then all of a sudden, you pitch poorly and

6:20

now you're tight, and oh yeah, by the way,

6:22

G D J. D. Martinez is on deck and

6:25

you pooped the bed. You

6:29

know, how

6:31

does how does analytics explain to Clayton

6:34

Kershaw? It can't, It

6:36

can't. It used to. It used to say, well,

6:38

you know, in the seventh

6:41

inning, once his pitch count gets up, that

6:43

was the explanation. And

6:45

now let's sit there and say, well, you

6:48

know, he's down several

6:50

miles an hour. But the fact is that Clayton

6:52

Kershaw has been Clayton Manning. He's

6:55

been like a five pitcher in the postseason

6:57

after being the most dominant regular season pitcher we've

6:59

ever seen. Now,

7:02

I'm not telling you that there aren't other factors.

7:05

Mcclintker shop in those years in which

7:07

he fell apart against the Cardinals in the seventh inning,

7:09

he was pitching over two innings in the regular

7:11

season. He was carrying his team. They

7:13

wouldn't have been there without him.

7:16

But the fact is that analytics don't

7:18

really account for that, the wear

7:20

and tear and just pressure of

7:23

a season and then all of a sudden the postseason

7:26

and the weather kind of changes. Sure

7:28

they have splits, Sure they have what you

7:31

pitch in certain weather, but

7:34

you can't account for pressure of the

7:36

moment, combined with fatigue, combined

7:38

with who's in the on deck circle, combined

7:40

with the the umpire who may

7:43

or may not on a given day have a high

7:45

or low strike zone. I know that there are some

7:47

individual calculations, but factored all together,

7:49

and you don't have that. And

7:54

then some of it is just this. The

7:57

Dodgers can use analytics all you want. It's

7:59

not like the Red Sox don't use it. Although

8:02

Joey Corus seems to be a witch and have a way

8:04

of figuring out, how did I say, Joey Ki

8:06

did it again? Alex Cora seems to have a way

8:09

with finding every right move to make. Does

8:12

I didn't think you should take out Joe Kelly in the first

8:14

game, but he did. But he seems to have

8:16

this just magical wand effect. It's

8:18

not like the Red Sox don't use it. But

8:21

but the Dodgers getting cute with who they're gonna

8:23

put in their lineup on a given night just

8:26

tells you that they they

8:28

kind of know what the rest of us already

8:30

figured. The Red Sox are the better team,

8:33

and the way they think they can win is by being

8:35

cute, by using some sort of numericle

8:37

long range formula that ultimately will work

8:40

out but doesn't play in a seven game

8:42

series. I'm

8:44

not telling you anything you didn't know, but

8:46

if you didn't know, the Red Sox are clearly

8:49

better than the Dodgers. The Dodgers

8:51

haven't even played well, but

8:53

it doesn't seem to matter because the Dodgers

8:55

are so tied to analytics they

8:57

can't get out of their own way, and it

9:00

taken some of the best players off the field and

9:02

made some poor pitching decisions. Here's

9:07

Dave Roberts on his decision to go back

9:09

to Ryan Mattson for a second consecutive night.

9:11

For me, right there, I have a decision to make

9:13

to give her a chance to get

9:15

out of that spot and face Pierce, or

9:17

go with the guy that I know matches up

9:20

really well, hasn't seen much of them, saw him the night

9:22

prior. But I just felt that again Mattson

9:24

was the right guy to get us out of that. And that was a

9:26

difference in the game right there. You know, you talk

9:29

about things before the game happens,

9:31

and I just felt it again Mattson was the

9:33

right guy in that spot. Yeah, and he's gonna

9:35

die in there. He's gonna he's gonna die on that hill.

9:38

Al Right, I'm gonna I'm gonna say it again. He was the

9:40

right guy. He didn't throw

9:42

a strike, Dave, you

9:45

didn't throw a strike and he excuse

9:47

me, he threw one, but the four that were

9:50

balls, um And

9:52

and look, you could even go with the shrinking

9:54

strike zone theory, right like in big moments

9:56

on the road, you know, on the road,

9:58

especially in Fenway, that's Mike's own shrinks.

10:01

But the idea all the balls were in the same spot,

10:04

Like, hey, make an adjustment here. I

10:08

know you want to be perfect against these guys, but you've

10:10

got J. D. Freaking Martinez

10:13

behind him. You gotta throw strikes.

10:16

And this is no different baseball, just

10:18

like basketball and football. It does come down

10:20

to the basics that you teach your kids when they're

10:22

when they're little. Right like,

10:25

um, my new house,

10:27

we have a we have a we have a backyard

10:29

in which we haven't had in California. We had grass

10:31

and everything. Whoa. And so

10:34

last night, for the first time, my

10:36

son and I played catch in our new backyard's got

10:38

new sod kind of down. It still hasn't taken

10:40

in, but we measured off and he pitches, depending

10:42

on the league, forty six ft and

10:45

he's nine, and he knows how to throw a little bit

10:47

of a curveball, a little bit of a slider. We

10:50

prefer him to throw a change up. But he wants to throw all

10:52

the stuff. And I said, hey, dude, nobody's

10:54

gonna let you pitch unless you can go out there and throw strikes.

10:57

If you throw strikes, and they way all away on

10:59

it, and no coach is gonna be mad at you.

11:03

You know, just throw strikes. If you just

11:05

throw strikes, you're gonna be better off. You're gonna

11:07

pitch more often. And then you get up O two

11:10

and then you can fool around and throw a curveball

11:12

which ends up being like a change up that doesn't move.

11:16

And that's no different than when Matson comes

11:18

in. Whatever

11:21

you do, just throw strikes. But

11:25

but I don't blame Madison

11:27

for not having personal confidence in

11:29

the moment coming

11:31

off a game. He didn't pitch well against the guy

11:33

who's seen him. Roberts, by the way, contradicts

11:36

himself. Well, you know he hasn't really seen him. He did

11:38

see him in Game one, though, and

11:40

as we talked about yesterday with Matt Holiday, seeing

11:43

a guy for a second time

11:45

in two days does make you at

11:47

least feel better about that approach. He

11:50

ended the game in Game one, bottom of the fifth gave

11:52

up two runs after a walk a

11:55

fielder's choice in a single end of the game. Game

11:57

to bottom of the fifth gave up three runs.

11:59

He walked for spatter Piercy Saw and then of

12:01

course you saw J. D. Martinez on a single. So

12:08

I don't whatever the numbers tell you.

12:13

All right, you want to tell me it's an anomaly,

12:15

Hey, the numbers told me. The numbers

12:17

told me. I call it pressure. Pressure

12:21

makes anyone performed differently. It

12:26

does. Have you ever had a camera

12:28

put in your face when you're at a sporting event, and

12:31

then you go back you're like, man, I acted like a complete idiot.

12:33

Why was that a little bit pressure? Some

12:36

people can't handle the pressure of public speaking.

12:40

They get up there and they have a

12:42

time limit, they have microphone, they have

12:44

a light in their face. It

12:46

doesn't even matter that Ryan Matson has shown

12:48

he can pitch under pressure in the d S and the CS.

12:51

The fact is, for whatever reason, in the World

12:53

Series, especially when J. D. Martinez

12:56

is on deck, he hasn't felt fared well.

13:01

And Dave Roberts, you know, trying

13:04

the same thing over and over again expecting

13:06

a different result. We know what that's the definition

13:08

of. Alright, more to come on Major

13:10

League Baseball, let's talk some football. NFL

13:13

insider Edward Er joins the show. Get

13:15

his thoughts on brock Oswald. Maybe

13:17

more important, how bad is this injury to Ryan

13:19

Tannehill? Like I was in

13:22

Miami, he was at practice.

13:25

It was reported he was at practice, and

13:27

then on Friday and then Sunday

13:29

he doesn't play, and they're like, well, he had an m r I

13:32

and he tried to throw at No.

13:34

All of a sudden, we're working on three weeks he

13:36

hasn't played. How

13:38

bad is that shoulder? Plus Cannamari

13:40

Cooper fixed the Cowboys offense. We'll

13:43

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fascinating story which just came down. We'll

14:09

we'll tackle with Edward or in moments.

14:13

Um.

14:15

That's interesting. For the first

14:18

time in NFL history, they've

14:20

fired an official mid season

14:22

Hugo Cruise. Um

14:25

was fired for performance reasons,

14:28

sources told Kevin Seafort earlier

14:30

today. Cruise last worked

14:32

in week six and no longer an NFL employee.

14:35

This to me is really interesting. It's a lot we

14:38

wanted at some point in the show get into this

14:40

idea that there was a Darius

14:42

Miles piece about when he first

14:44

got to the NBA. There's the the

14:46

ruling in New York City in regards the FBI

14:49

investigation and what

14:51

it means for college basketball. But it always

14:53

brings out the you know, you should

14:55

pay the players thing, and

14:58

there's a couple of different parts to it, and

15:00

again we'll get dead word in one second. You

15:03

know, a major issue

15:05

that that I have is anybody who

15:07

thinks that paying players in college football

15:09

college basketball cut down on cheating is the dumbest

15:12

thing I've ever heard, because there's

15:14

not a human being alive that makes fifty dollars

15:16

and somebody says, hey, would you like to make sixty?

15:18

And they're like, nah, I'm good. It's

15:21

not the way that humanity

15:24

tends to work, because

15:26

that's essentially what's happening. But here's

15:28

the better one. Why aren't

15:30

the players employees of

15:32

a university? Well, in addition

15:35

to taxes and tax benefits

15:37

and all the other things, you

15:39

can be fired. Remember the

15:41

NFL employed twenty four twenty

15:43

four referees I think starting two

15:45

years ago, and the first one ever was fired

15:47

today. Edward Or joins us on the Doug Gotlip Show

15:50

on Fox Sports Radio, legendary

15:52

NFL insider and this is I

15:54

mean historic, and I guess it's

15:57

there's accountability there right. I mean, that's

15:59

kind of the one thing that we're all searching for is do

16:01

these guys have accountability? And now the answer

16:03

is yes, absolutely, apparently

16:06

at this level for the first time, because I've

16:08

talked to people in the officiating department

16:11

who say this is an unprecedented

16:13

move and that it was for on field performance.

16:16

I think the only thing, um

16:18

and this is a four year official, Hugo

16:20

Cruz joined the league in and

16:24

the only known call that

16:27

he is believed to have missed

16:29

that the public knows about as he missed an obvious

16:31

false start by the Chargers

16:34

left tackle Russell Lakoon on a scoring play

16:36

in Week six and then was not assigned

16:39

a game in Week seven. Uh.

16:41

And that's typically what the NFL has done.

16:43

It, you know, grades the performance of each official

16:46

on a weekly basis, and at the end of

16:48

the season, their scores determine

16:50

whether they're involved in playoff

16:53

games and at what level.

16:55

And uh, I know I know previously

16:58

under Dean Blandino

17:01

and Mike Pereira that officials

17:03

were sat down with during the season

17:06

and told if their performance didn't improve

17:08

that they risk being fired. But they

17:10

did those sorts of things in the off season. They didn't

17:13

do it during the year. Doug

17:16

Otler show Fox Sports Trader, that's the voice

17:18

of Edward Or. He's joining us now on Fox

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his Twitter feed at Edward or

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r f A for all the insight that you need what's

17:26

going on in the league, and check out the Doomsday

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podcast Thursday Football Tonight. And

17:32

it's hard to sell the Dolphins. They're not sexy.

17:34

They got rid of all their big name players,

17:36

albeit still above four five hundred

17:38

on the year. Taken on a suddenly resurge in Houston,

17:40

Texan team, but curiously absent

17:43

is Ryan Tannehill. You go back three

17:45

weeks ago and I was at their practice

17:47

and they're like, yeah, Ryan's got a shoulder thing, but he

17:49

should be fine. Then he doesn't play

17:52

on Sunday, doesn't play last Sunday,

17:54

not playing this Sunday, not playing this Thursday.

17:57

Feels like it's something bigger. What are you hearing about?

17:59

Just how bad Tannehill's shoulder is. While

18:02

they um have

18:04

said that he doesn't require surgery,

18:07

UM, but beyond that that's been sort

18:09

of a mysterious injury. And Tannehill obviously

18:13

is a guy who has proven not

18:15

to be very dependable. He's missed twenty three

18:17

of Miami's last twenty seven games because

18:19

of injuries, and now brock Osweiler

18:22

is going to be starting his third straight game, and

18:25

it's interesting that it comes against

18:28

the team that signed him to that infamous

18:30

seventy two million dollar contract in

18:32

twenty sixteen, the Texans, with

18:35

the belief that he was going to become among the elite quarterbacks

18:38

in football. But yeah, Tan

18:40

Tannehill, Um, you know, this

18:42

is the third straight year that he's missed

18:44

at least three games. Yet head coach Adam

18:46

Gaze seems unusually committed

18:49

to him, even though he's thirty years old and frequently

18:52

injured and has really achieved nothing of great

18:54

significance in the NFL. The

18:57

Dolphins, for whatever reason, never even really brought

18:59

in a serious challenger up

19:01

to him at the position that they've

19:03

only drafted one quarterback since they took

19:06

Ryan tanney Hill, and that was a seventh rounder

19:08

that they spent on Brandon Dowdy

19:10

in uh In. So

19:13

the Dolphins had a lot have a lot of problems tonight,

19:15

that being one of them. The next

19:18

one being that Albert Wilson's out for the season

19:20

with a hip injury, and he was leading the NFL and

19:22

yards after the catch. And I think

19:24

it will be interesting to see Davante Parker and

19:26

whether he plays after

19:29

last week's situation where basically

19:31

had his agent uh point out

19:34

publicly in a in a in

19:36

a email of his released to the public that

19:38

criticized Adam Gay, saying that he was misrepresenting

19:41

the seriousness of Parker's injury,

19:44

that it wasn't necessarily an injury that was keeping

19:46

him from playing. Yeah, I mean,

19:48

he's he's been he I mean, but he has

19:50

been one of those guys that's always hurt and hasn't

19:52

performed when went when healthy. So

19:55

very very curious what his future is with

19:57

the team. Doug Gotlin show, Fox Sports Radio,

20:00

what's the feeling in Dallas about the Marii

20:02

Cooper trade. Well, I think

20:04

a couple of things. You know. I think um

20:07

to make this trade in the middle of the season,

20:10

coming out of a loss on the road to the

20:12

Redskins and leaves the Cowboys oh and

20:14

four on the road, three and oh at home. I

20:17

think Jerry Jones has to believe three things.

20:19

I think he has to believe that UM

20:21

trading a number one draft pick for Mary Cooper,

20:24

uh, means that Cooper can be a difference

20:27

maker on offense. I think

20:29

it means that he has to believe that

20:31

Dallas can still win the division in

20:34

the NFC East and make the playoffs this

20:36

year. And I don't think you do something

20:38

like this unless you believe, as they've

20:40

been saying, that Dak Prescott

20:42

is a franchise quarterback. Uh.

20:45

You know, the thing to me that I've been saying in

20:47

response to Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones

20:50

being emphatic about their belief that Dak

20:52

is a franchise quarterback, was well,

20:54

if if that's what you believe, then you

20:56

should do with the Rams are doing for, you

20:58

know, for their young quarter back Jared Goffin,

21:00

what the Eagles have done for Carson

21:03

Wentz, and what the Bears are doing for Mitch Drabinski,

21:05

because until this point the front office

21:07

had done nothing. I think this is a tasset

21:10

admission by Jerry Jones

21:12

that they made a UM a blunder,

21:14

a colossal blunder, and releasing Dez Bryan

21:17

in the off season and turning the position

21:19

over to Alan Hearns and Cavan

21:21

Austin and Deonte Thompson UM.

21:24

I've talked to a lot of people in the league about

21:27

this trade general managers. One

21:30

of them thought it was, without equivocation, a

21:32

good trade for the Cowboys because

21:35

they now have a young quarterback, a young receiver,

21:37

and a young running back to build their offense around

21:39

going forward. Because Cooper's only twenty

21:41

four, even though he's played four seasons

21:44

in the NFL. But most people, Doug think

21:46

that he uh has a

21:49

can't he really explain how he's performed

21:51

the last two seasons that don't compare favorability

21:53

to his first two and don't believe

21:56

that you give up a number one draft pick

21:58

for a wide receiver less he's really an

22:00

elite guy, and most people

22:03

do not see Amari Cooper as

22:05

an elite receiver. Be fascinating to see

22:07

what it does for that offense, what it does for Dak Prescott

22:09

and their evaluation of of

22:11

him when the offseason contract comes up. Edward

22:14

or joined joins us NFL insider fam

22:16

at Edward or r f A on Twitter

22:18

or check out his Doomsday podcast. The

22:21

other side to that is the Raiders, and there

22:23

continues to be disgruntled players

22:26

left in Oakland because they

22:28

just got back off the bye weekend. This was the news

22:31

that they were met with. Does John Gruden

22:33

really care if they're not happy because

22:35

he lied to them into in their

22:38

minds as they've they've begun the

22:40

process of you know, chapter eleven

22:42

in corporate restructuring. Apparently

22:44

not, because in in the ten months since

22:46

he returns to the Raiders, he's traded away

22:49

the best player on defense and Khalil

22:51

Mack and now arguably his best player

22:53

on offense. And you know, I mean, if you're

22:55

going to rebuild a team, you do it with draft picks.

22:57

And the Raiders now have three first

23:00

picks next April um.

23:02

It's interesting to me that they've made thirteen

23:04

first round picks since two thousand and four. Only

23:07

two of those picks turned into Pro Bowl players,

23:09

and they're Mac and Cooper both gone. And of

23:12

course now everybody questions whether

23:14

he would endeavor to trade his quarterback, Derek

23:16

Carr, even though I think Mark

23:19

Davis made the hundred million dollar investment

23:21

and committed ten years uh to Gruden

23:23

to return because of his ability

23:25

to develop quarterbacks, in the belief that he

23:28

and Car would form a very successful partnership,

23:30

but so far we haven't seen

23:32

any indication of that. Gruden

23:34

says he's not making any more trade, doesn't see

23:37

him trading in their quarterback. UM.

23:39

And there's subsequently obviously been criticism

23:41

publicly of Car

23:44

and you know, some people speculating that he

23:46

showed an unusual amount of emotion

23:48

when he suffered some of his most recent injuries.

23:51

But um, one of the Raiders

23:53

tight ends, Lee Smith, made a really impassioned

23:55

speech in his defense yesterday and called

23:57

him the toughest guy in the locker room. So right

24:00

now, you know, the Raiders are one of the worst teams in football,

24:03

one of the worst offensive teams in football, and

24:06

Car is one of the reasons because he's committed more turnovers

24:08

than anybody else's football. That being

24:10

said, I still believe that Gruden

24:13

will keep Car through the rest of the season. Yeah,

24:15

but then then he can he can part ways with him

24:17

after the season as there's a kind of a fairly

24:19

minimal uh dead

24:21

money. Yeah. If

24:24

what about the Jaguars UM

24:27

Financially, they're kind of all in

24:29

um Blake Borrows. It's not huge money,

24:32

UM in terms of you know, the grand scale

24:34

of quarterbacks, but it is substantial,

24:37

and he will be on their roster next year. What

24:40

do they do if he doesn't turn it around? Well,

24:43

you know, I think a lot of people believe that the Jaguars

24:45

have one of the best rosters in the league, especially on

24:47

the defensive side of the ball, and we saw him

24:49

get to the a FC Championship game even with portals

24:51

as the quarterback last year. Um

24:54

and and Bortles has now publicly complained

24:56

I think in an interview with Mike Silver that every

24:58

time they lose, he's the scapegoat.

25:01

He's, you know, viewed by the public as the worst

25:03

player in football, but the reality

25:05

isn't. He's got the most multiple turnover

25:07

games in the NFL since he was drafted in two

25:10

thousand four. Team he's got the most interceptions

25:12

and the most pick six and stuff. Uh. It seems

25:14

to me he's largely responsible for their failure.

25:17

A lot of people think that maybe Tom Coughlin

25:19

and Doug Moron would be interested in trading

25:21

for Eli Manning, but I really don't see

25:24

that happening. I think

25:26

Tyrod Taylor is a guy that could

25:29

have some interest to them because he's a veteran

25:32

mobile quarterback who values protecting

25:34

the football. But ultimately

25:36

I think they made the Carlos Hide trade last week because

25:38

they want to get back to being physical with the

25:40

running game. Insulating the quarterback

25:43

in this case borders from having too

25:45

big a role that puts the ball in jeopardy.

25:48

Uh. They feel like they don't add great receivers, so

25:50

they really need a mobile quarterback who

25:53

can keep plays alive and give their you know, mediocre

25:55

receivers a chance to get open. But uh

25:58

uh, it's gonna be a challenge for them fensively

26:00

to get it turned around. And I just can't see portals

26:02

ever really being a big success

26:05

there. We've seen also the New

26:07

York Giants part ways with Snacks

26:09

and uh and Eli Apple. What

26:12

about Eli Manning that does he finish the

26:14

year in the Giants uniform? Yeah? I think

26:17

you know, obviously, it was a big fan backlash

26:19

when they tried to bench him for Genos Smith

26:21

at the end of last year, so

26:24

he's got sentiment on inside. I

26:26

also think he's got no trade

26:28

clause in his contracts, so I

26:30

just can't see him wanting to go finish

26:32

his career somewhere else unless it was a team

26:35

that really had an obvious chance that

26:37

he could win with and I'm not sure any team

26:39

used him in that way, Uh, including

26:42

Tom Coughlin and the Jaguars. He's only won two

26:44

Super Bowls with him. I mean, you know, the Giants

26:46

are four and one in their last twenty five

26:49

games. They've now traded two defensive

26:51

starters among the four trades

26:53

that have been completed in the NFL as we approached

26:55

the deadline, Damon Harrison and and Eli

26:57

Apple um and And

27:00

I just think the Giants really mis evaluated

27:02

their team. I have a lot of respect for their general manager,

27:05

Dave Gettleman, who built the Carolina Panthers

27:07

into a Super Bowl team, um, but

27:09

he seems like he missed on this one in

27:12

terms of you really thought going into

27:14

the draft that they could support Eli Manning

27:16

at age thirty seven and coming off a bad

27:18

season with a new system

27:20

and a new coach and Pat Shermer. Uh.

27:22

They obviously passed on Sam Donald

27:25

didn't view him as a franchise player. They saw

27:27

Uh Barkley se Kuon Barkley as a

27:30

generational talent at the running back position.

27:32

And I think that decision is going to be scrutinized

27:34

for years to come, depending on whether the

27:36

Giants can now get themselves in position by

27:39

being bad and losing games to draft

27:42

the best quarterback in the upcoming draft. All

27:44

right, most importantly, what's

27:46

with Rob Gronkowski in his health? Well,

27:49

it sounds like, uh, he missed last week's

27:51

game because of a back

27:53

issue, But my understanding was

27:55

he participated in practice today and

27:58

was even involved in holding, locking

28:01

uh pads and so forth for other players

28:03

initiating contact, which seemed to be an indication

28:06

that his health was improving. Obviously, Tom

28:08

Brady has demonstrated that they can

28:10

win without Julian Edelman and they can win without

28:12

Rob Gronkowski. But I think they believe that

28:15

he'll be back and play this week on Monday

28:17

Night Football great stuff. Ed Werder

28:19

always has more, always gives us the insight

28:22

that you can't get anywhere else at Edward

28:24

r f A. Check out his Doomsday podcast and

28:26

thanks much for joining us. Thanks Douv. Before

28:29

to talking to you next week, the pleasure is always

28:31

ours. Let's get you to Dan Buyer and find out

28:33

what else is going on in the world of sports. If

28:35

any Giants, if any Raiders have been

28:37

traded what he got there? No

28:41

deals, no deals, no

28:43

deals, no deal

28:45

man. That show was awesome. I I still watch

28:47

it. I love Deal or No Deal. So

28:50

simple yet so amazingly

28:52

uh impossible to not get

28:55

wrapped up into it, right,

28:57

did you like Kaylor No Deal? Of course? Yeah,

29:00

just and it was easy to play along, like Jeffardy

29:03

has sounds stupid. All you gotta do a dealer no deal

29:05

is pick a number. But like see, I told you, Um,

29:07

the Twins and Rays of apparently are Blue

29:10

Jays apparently picked managers from the

29:12

staff of the Tampa Bay Race. Rocko bal Delhi

29:14

is gonna be the new skipper in Minnesota,

29:16

becoming the youngest manager in Major League

29:18

Baseball. Spent the last

29:20

four seasons as coach of

29:22

the Tampa coach with the Tampa Bay Rays

29:25

and Race bench coach Charlie Montoya is gonna

29:27

be named the new manager of the Toronto Blue

29:29

Jays, according to reports, World Series

29:31

getting a day off today, Red Sox

29:33

and Dodgers tomorrow night in l As you

29:35

mentioned no trades in the NFL, we do have football

29:37

to night Dolphins Texans eight twenty Eastern

29:39

tom As Edwarders said, Rob Gronkowski

29:41

was on the practice field today, but no Sony

29:43

Michelle for New England shout out that workout

29:46

because of his injured knee. The running back is

29:48

in danger of missing Monday's game against the Buffalo

29:51

Bills. A couple of other running backs ding up.

29:53

No practice for Broncos running back Royce Freeman.

29:55

He's got an ankle issue. They've got the Chiefs

29:57

coming up on Sunday. Colts have the

29:59

Raid Marlon Macdon practice today

30:01

because of an ankle injury. He was limited in

30:03

practice yesterday. Some news from

30:05

the NBA injury wise bull spot where

30:07

Bobby Porter is gonna miss four to six weeks with a

30:09

spring m c Elener's right knee. No Kevin

30:12

Love for the Calves tonight against the Pistons because

30:14

of a sore left foot. How

30:16

how are they going to be? Uh? Yeah,

30:19

they'll be maybe another night for the Pistons

30:21

to get another win, so that

30:23

Eastern Conference is something else.

30:26

The Calves are nine and a half point favorite,

30:28

nine and a half point dogs, and

30:31

then they just played last night. Then they just was

30:33

it last night they lost to the Nets. I

30:36

want to say it was last night because they're playing

30:38

back to back nights on the road and they got beat

30:40

by the Nets by I'm gonna say

30:42

sixteen points. And it

30:45

wasn't really that close. They were down

30:48

twenty one or so head in the fourth quarter. They got

30:50

thirty eight third quarter points seventeen.

30:52

You know what, Let's give a rod of applause to

30:54

Doug Gottlie because last night, seriously,

30:58

to know about Nets, Calves not on. It wasn't

31:00

World Series. I was also watching

31:02

buck Sixers, checking in on Jazz

31:04

Rockets. He had Lakers sons. Yeah,

31:07

I mean, gosh to Timberwolves

31:10

Raptors were last night. So yeah,

31:13

kudos to follow up on the Calves

31:15

and Nets. Remember Tristan to In Tristan Thompson

31:17

say they're still the favorites. He did at

31:19

the start. Christin Thompson last night was one

31:22

of eleven from the floor. Wow,

31:25

there's still favorites. I don't think so

31:28

that one did not see the screen on

31:30

League Pass last night. That one. I couldn't

31:32

even tell you if it was seven fifty one or seven

31:34

fifty two. Have no idea where that game

31:37

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31:39

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31:57

of the hawks huge comeback against

31:59

the Dallas Evericks last night,

32:01

it was yeah, crazy

32:04

crazy night in sports that you saw on

32:06

Wednesday night, a full full slate

32:08

of games. But the Hawks were down big and then rallied

32:10

for that win. Rocco Baldelli, What a

32:12

great name. That's in the all time names. That's that's

32:14

in the all time named Rocko Bud. Congrats in your

32:16

first job as the skip for the Minnesota Twins.

32:19

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32:32

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32:35

Mason Crosby the Packers is our guests. How do

32:37

you go from being one of the most consistent

32:39

kickers in the NFL to just having one of those days

32:42

where nothing goes your way. That's what it felt like.

32:44

Yeah, just nothing. Um, It's

32:46

like nothing I've ever felt or you

32:48

know, been been involved in where

32:51

I pick a line felt

32:53

you know good. Obviously we're in a dome, so on just

32:56

uh you know, take my steps on the line that I

32:58

that I felt good about, and uh

33:00

it Honestly, as I look at

33:03

the film, all this stuff is like, did I when I was

33:05

kicking from the left hash and I think I was on the right

33:07

hash like it was, did I

33:09

have a bout of vertigo in that game?

33:11

I mean it literally as

33:14

I as I watch it, that's that's

33:16

almost like the way I

33:18

would have to explain it, because it just felt

33:20

like I'd pick a line, I'd commit to

33:22

the kick all the things, and it just every

33:24

strike, every ball was just slightly

33:27

off and h and

33:29

every bad possible thing that could

33:31

happen went wrong. To turnaround

33:34

in just one week, you got another opportunity

33:36

to show your team you belong. Yeah, you know,

33:38

like you said, opportunity. I was so thankful to have that

33:40

chance and all the opportunities I had in that game.

33:43

Yeah, I mean I had a fifty one yard or on that Monday

33:45

night Monday night game that Uh,

33:48

as I went out there, I'm just like, well, this is kind

33:50

of this is kind of it. You better, you know, just

33:52

swing free and hit the hit a good ball here, because

33:54

uh, these are the types of kicks you had to make

33:56

to to kind of get the confidence everyone

33:59

back, you know on a all right, he's

34:01

he's past it yard or it's

34:03

just pick a line right down the middle

34:06

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35:02

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and buyer. What do you got the

35:15

game Doug? Today is alright?

35:17

Doug. Guess who feels that one of his roles

35:20

on his team is being the scapegoats?

35:25

Down? What NFL player feels that one

35:27

of the roles on his team is to be

35:29

the team's skate goats. M

35:33

hmm. Hold on Black

35:35

Portals, that is

35:37

correct, telling NFL dot Com that

35:40

he's at peace with being the scapegoat.

35:42

Ending quote. When we play good,

35:44

the defense played well, the running back did good,

35:47

the receivers made great plays. And

35:49

when we play bad, Blake Bortles

35:51

is the worst quarterback on the face of the planet.

35:53

End quote that from Bortles. What

35:56

a dumb quote by Black Portals. That's

35:59

just not how you're wpposed to do it. You

36:02

know he's not wrong that

36:05

that the defense has played poorly, the offensive

36:07

line has played poorly. But if

36:10

you're gonna make twenty million dollars of me quarterback, yeah,

36:12

I don't know if the scapegoa, you've gotta be accountable. And he

36:14

hasn't played well. It's inarguable. Inarguable

36:18

he's played poorly. And he got

36:20

credit when he played great against the New

36:23

England Patriots. Everyone myself included

36:25

pointed out he played great, and we started like, man,

36:27

do we have them all wrong? Like now we got

36:30

him all right? All he has to say was you know what, I

36:32

gotta play better. That's the position. The

36:34

position is things go poorly no

36:37

matter what matter why receiver messes

36:39

up, running backs hurt offensive

36:42

line or even if I miss read to play

36:44

whatever, like all of that stuff

36:46

doesn't matter. I'm making a bunch of money.

36:48

I'm the quarterback. I gotta fix it. This

36:50

is on me. But instead he's doing

36:53

this whole what was me? Feel bad for me? I'm

36:55

really not playing that bad thing and he is no

36:58

word if Bortles was named j Iguar of the

37:00

Week or hasn't been for a while. But you

37:02

know, Tom Brady didn't like. We'll have

37:04

to get that information. Guess who dug is headed

37:07

to Ireland to play a football

37:09

game in I'm gonna

37:11

go to Notre Dame. Yeah, Notre Dame

37:13

is gonna take on Navy. It's gonna be the third

37:16

time these schools have played in Ireland.

37:18

The game in twenty will take place on

37:20

August twenty nine. They said the last

37:23

game there in twelve thirty five thousand

37:25

fans from the States went to Ireland for that

37:27

matchup. You know, they're in San Diego this weekend,

37:30

which is a huge, huge military

37:33

town. Obviously it's gonna be big for Notre Dame. The Subway

37:36

alums from southern California will drive

37:38

down and show up, as well as the once in San Diego.

37:40

But this is one of the few tests

37:42

remaining for the Irish and their undefeated season.

37:45

Notre Dame Navy coming up on Saturday.

37:47

As you mentioned, guests who Doug will Ward uniforms

37:49

inspired by the notorious b I

37:52

G later on this season? Wow?

37:56

Um who

38:00

this one? I don't know. I'll go with It's

38:02

gotta be a college. The

38:06

Brooklyn Nets the

38:11

jerseys which will be unveiled next month

38:13

as part of the City edition units

38:15

will have a colorful trim on the outside,

38:18

reminiscence of the colorful sweaters

38:20

that bigg you like to wear. Yeah,

38:22

so they're gonna anywhere, But did anywhere like Bill Cosby

38:25

sweaters. Yes, that's what they're Yeah, kind

38:27

of like that. They're gonna have a colorful notice.

38:29

Nobody ever says Bill Cosby sweaters anymore. It's

38:31

like, no, let's just not mention him. No,

38:34

that is that is not going to be the case. But I

38:36

will say this, I saw pictures of these uniforms

38:39

better than what the Lakers wore last night

38:41

in Phoenix. That black striped down the side

38:44

about not good. Why

38:47

teams feel they need to add black to their

38:49

uniform I have no idea, but it

38:51

is. It was a thing in the nineties with the Falcons.

38:53

It was cool then but now just

38:56

I don't know. It just looked weird last night. But

38:59

yeah, I've in these uniforms as well. I do. I I

39:01

like the Brooklyn nets one it. I mean,

39:03

I would guess. Have you ever tell

39:06

you my dad's theory on on It wasn't

39:08

on uniforms like this, It was on closed. My

39:11

dad, my late father, used to say, like, you know, one

39:13

year you got pleats and the next year no plates.

39:16

He's like, they're just trying to sell more pants.

39:18

They're still pants. And so

39:20

you know, he was a guy who he waited till styles

39:23

came back around. He'd buy things out the discount.

39:25

Hey, the style is gonna come back around anyway. And

39:28

so I would guess that's your answer as to why

39:30

the Lakers people are gonna go out and buy

39:32

all new Lakers uniforms. But the fact

39:34

is that if you have a purple or it's called

39:37

forum blue uniform, now you're gonna need a new one,

39:39

even if you had an old Lonzo ball one. Guess

39:41

who dug could join the likes of the Yankees, Dodgers,

39:43

and Red Sox and having their own sports

39:46

network A baseball team,

39:49

thank you, Nationals.

39:53

The Detroit Tigers. Yes, the Illage

39:55

family owns the Tigers and Red Wings considering

39:58

forming a regional sports net work with those

40:00

teams. According to the Detroit News, it

40:03

could happen once the Fox Sports regionals

40:05

get sold to Disney. But you could see a sports

40:07

network in Detroit with the Tigers

40:10

and Red Wings and maybe even the Pistons joining.

40:12

Remember when the Red Wings are good. Oh

40:15

yeah, I just read it was like twenty

40:17

years. They worked for twenty years freight. They were good.

40:20

Read a thing that Arby's used to give out free

40:22

fries if someone has a hat trick. Now they're giving

40:24

out free fries if red If the Red Wings score

40:26

more than three goals, that's

40:29

it's not even a joke. I just read it. So

40:31

how about the Detroit Tigers were sixty and

40:34

they got a lot of subs. I gotta see my

40:36

two tigers. I gotta see my tigers just

40:38

get blasted off the face of the earth. Guests

40:41

who dug on the crew has been to a

40:43

World Series game? Well?

40:46

I have, all right, Ramos,

40:50

yes, and Ryan Music and

40:53

myself, all of us, And it's kind of a trick

40:55

question on the good side, Yeah, everybody here has spending

40:58

a World series game game.

41:02

This is game time on the Duck

41:04

Gottlieb Show. All

41:07

right, fair enough, we've all been to a World series buyer,

41:09

But have you won a World series? Music?

41:12

If you want a World series, it's gonna be a

41:14

no doug. All right, Ramas, you won a World

41:16

series? I have not a j

41:18

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41:20

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41:23

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41:45

hope you're having a great day. I hope you

41:47

enjoyed the World Series last night. Thursday Night Football

41:50

Tonight, bro october Is

41:52

brock Oswilder will take on just

41:55

another of his former teams, this

41:57

one the Houston Texans, who of course paid

41:59

one million hours more sight unseen to

42:01

pull him out of Denver. That worked

42:03

out relatively poorly. Relatively

42:06

poorly, but oss Wiler gets another chance

42:08

with the Miami Dolphins as they are a

42:11

game over five hundred, still waiting

42:14

to know when they're starting quarterback comes

42:16

back fully healthy. We got baseball talking about.

42:18

We got hoop to talk about a J. Prazynski,

42:21

former white sock World champion. He played for

42:23

played for a bunch of teams, but we'll get to him in

42:25

a second. MLB on Fox Analyst. I

42:28

want to say this though about James Harden. The Rockets

42:30

lost again yesterday, and I've

42:33

talked about this, I think others have talked about it. You

42:35

know, Um, Harden

42:37

is still very much in his prime.

42:40

And Harden has done a better job the past couple

42:42

of the past year and a half of taking

42:45

care of his body. You remember back two

42:47

years ago when he was

42:49

dating I don't even remember one of the Kardashians,

42:53

and the story was he was badly out of shape

42:55

when he came to camp, and it

42:57

was one of the reasons that he got off to a slow start shooting

42:59

the BASKETBA all. He just didn't

43:01

look great last year in shape the

43:04

entire season. And last

43:06

year, of course, he won an NBA

43:08

m v PS twenty nine years old

43:11

and he pulled it looks like he pulled a hamstring

43:14

and twenty nine done old. Twenty nine is kind of your

43:16

athletic prime. But when you've played as

43:18

long in the NBA as these guys, generally,

43:20

is the case that guys get hurt. And

43:24

one of the things you get, things you get when you get with

43:26

consistency, when you put so much on one

43:28

guy's plate. Remember,

43:30

Lebron is the exception, not the rule.

43:33

Everybody else who's carried their team like

43:35

this has gotten hurt. Russell Westbrooks gotten

43:38

hurt. Kevin Durant got hurt in in

43:40

Oklahoma City. UM,

43:43

and some of them are unlucky step on somebody's foot,

43:45

and some of them are just wearing tear. Kobe Bryant

43:47

got hurt running like five knees

43:49

surgeries. Everybody points to the Achilles tendant. He

43:52

would get hurt. Larry

43:54

Bird got hurt. Michael George's very early in his

43:56

career, but in his second year in his career he

43:59

had a foot in injury. He was hurt. Larry Larry Burde's

44:01

career was shortened because of injury. Maggie

44:04

Johnson had a knee injury early. And

44:08

of course, when you get to twenty nine,

44:10

twenty nine, now basketball age of a guy that's

44:13

played as much ball as a James

44:15

Harden, his

44:18

basketball age is actually much older. James

44:22

Harden came in the league in two thousand nine.

44:26

It's crazy, right, this

44:31

is tenth year in the league. And

44:33

though he's never really sustained a

44:36

a bad injury, a nagging

44:38

injury like this hamstring, Chris

44:41

Paul consistently hurt and then uh,

44:43

you know Carmelo Anthony has been hurt on

44:46

and off the past five or six years or so. So

44:50

one of the fears with the Houston Rockets when

44:52

the when your core group starts to get older and has a lot

44:54

of wear on those tires, tread

44:56

worn off those tires. This is what, in

44:59

fact, what happens. This

45:01

is in fact what happens. All

45:04

A J. A J. Presynski

45:06

is gonna join us in fifteen

45:08

minutes and fifteen minutes A J. Praczynski. Lakers

45:12

get their first win in the Lebron

45:14

James era. And

45:16

this is a hard one, and you're

45:18

like, why is it so hard? Lebron James had seventeen

45:21

and seven at the half, he didn't play the fourth

45:23

quarter. And of course tonight they turned around and play at home at

45:25

home. They played Denver at home. All

45:28

these things are good things. Lonzo

45:31

Ball looked as good as I've seen him look

45:33

in an NBA uniform, in the Lakers uniform.

45:36

They had seventy six points at the half. What

45:38

did they end up with is that right? I

45:41

shut it off before it before it uh

45:45

before it ended. The

45:48

problem with it is this is a lot like

45:51

the problem with evaluating

45:54

Lebron James and how great it was to go

45:57

through eighth straight Eastern Conference

45:59

finals. To go to go

46:02

to eighth straight, eighth

46:04

straight Eastern Conference NBA

46:07

Finals is because the Eastern Conference

46:09

is so weak. It's

46:13

the same with last night. The Suns

46:15

are twenty four in points

46:17

allowed per game, there twenty in

46:19

point differential. There

46:21

are opponents field goal percentages forty nine

46:24

point three. That is generally

46:27

there's a lot of more advanced stats, but

46:30

generally good defense. You hold the team

46:32

below forty outstanding defenses below.

46:36

Once you get above like forty six in the pros,

46:39

that's terrible. That's

46:43

terrible. So I'm

46:45

not saying that that Lebron and the

46:47

Lakers didn't play better offensively.

46:50

They were good offensively. I'm

46:53

saying it's hard to hard

46:55

to figure how good they look considering who they are

46:57

playing against the competition. The Sons

46:59

are an slute mess. They end up winning one thirty

47:01

one to one thirteen. And

47:05

if you watch the game, you notice the Sun's because

47:08

they were up so many of the Lakers had some bad habits

47:10

there. They gave up some easy shots. Yes,

47:13

they shot fifty two of a hundred. That's the

47:15

remarkable number of shots, and

47:19

the Sons were awful in terms of uh

47:23

uh, you know, maintaining the basketball. Nineteen

47:25

turnovers for a team that badly needs

47:27

a point guard because they've had injuries at

47:30

the position, But

47:33

when the Suns didn't turn it over, they shot, so

47:37

Alonzo looks like a guy who's not giving

47:39

back the point guard position to Rondo. Lebron

47:42

James is starting to get comfortable, although he continues

47:44

to struggle shooting in the three, was one of five

47:46

last night. Lebron

47:49

on the season on the season

47:52

has only made four or three pointers all

47:55

year long, so

47:57

he's still struggling to find his rhythm. But it's

48:00

really hard to tell if they're any good because they played

48:02

against a team that is absolute trash

48:05

trash, and it's not for lack of trying.

48:08

Right, They went and get Josh Jackson from Kansas,

48:10

who's a winner and a tough competitor.

48:12

They they signed a Tyson

48:15

Chandler a couple of years ago. He's still playing for him even

48:17

though he's washed up, but he's considered a winner and

48:19

a tough competitor. And then they signed Trevor Reese

48:21

again, another winner, tough competitor, and

48:25

I mean, this team doesn't guard anybody anybody,

48:32

So I want to have some balance in looking at the Lakers.

48:35

They look good yesterday, they look

48:38

good last night. But

48:40

before I go crazy and tell you without

48:43

any question, they are fixed. That Luke Walton

48:45

had some meeting where he called him out because the defense,

48:47

and that's what ended up winning the game. Like, okay,

48:50

they played arguably the second worst

48:52

team in the league to the Cleveland Cavaliers. All

48:59

right, then we have, uh, all the games that Dodger

49:01

Stadium about to get in away you yes,

49:05

music ahead. So for Lebron,

49:07

he's got a four year contract and for

49:11

most reasonable fans, the expectations

49:13

aren't incredibly high for just this season.

49:16

But at what point are you starting

49:18

to make some big uh

49:21

takeaways from how they play this season?

49:24

Is it like post All Star break? Or

49:26

at what point are you kind of going to start seeing

49:28

like, okay, so this is kind of what

49:30

they're going to be doing with this team going forward or

49:33

is it too hard to tell because we don't expect this roster

49:35

would be the same for the next two or three

49:37

years. Well, I think the the youth

49:39

on that roster for the most part will stay the same,

49:41

Like Brandon, Ingram is gonna have to continue to improve,

49:44

otherwise he could be trade bait. I think they love

49:47

Josh Hart. I think I

49:49

think a Lonzo does work with how Lebron's playing

49:52

because he he doesn't need the ball nearly as much

49:54

as other guards, and he's

49:56

he's shown regained

49:59

confidence in his shoting even if he fires up one.

50:01

He shot one last night that was off by at least

50:03

six feet, didn't hit anything, but he'll

50:05

he'll jump up and make one, and he's shooting

50:07

a good percentage. He finished

50:10

a big bucket in the in traffic, Like I think

50:12

a Lonzo's slowly progressing towards

50:15

somebody who they're going to keep and hold on to them build

50:17

around with Lebron, with Josh

50:19

Hart, with Kyle Kuzma, Ingram,

50:21

I think, But I don't know, and then the rest

50:24

of those guys. You know, the rest of those guys

50:26

may or may not be back. But I think this is how

50:28

they committed to playing this year, to try and try

50:30

and win regular season games based with on their depth

50:32

and their pace and their defense, even if the defense

50:35

is harder because earl than the year, everything

50:37

is so closely they officiated. So when do

50:39

you think that defense changes, because that was one of my

50:41

things that I felt like when I was watching

50:43

last night and I tweeted it out, like there were

50:46

times last night where the defense

50:48

for the Lakers just looked

50:51

awful, I mean totally awful, Like they looked

50:53

lost and there was a lack of effort.

50:56

Do you think that that's something that changes over time

50:58

or are they gonna need like, let's say they get

51:00

someone like Kawhi Leonard, Like, do they need

51:03

just a total upgrade in terms of defensive

51:05

personnel or can they slowly

51:08

implement a better overall team defense

51:10

with the pieces they have or with the young pieces like

51:12

a Kuzma Alonso And

51:15

Kuzma is a terrible Kuzma is a terrible defensive

51:17

player. Only people look at the box scores a terrible defensive

51:20

player. Um JaVale

51:22

McGee's important defensively to guard

51:24

the rim. But you know, one of the times

51:26

they got lit up was he couldn't guard the Marcus Aldridge

51:29

in the post. But one of the other things hurting

51:31

them is when you have two starters suspended,

51:34

it's gonna hurt your depth. And guys don't

51:36

you know, try and stay out of foul trouble and the games being

51:38

closely officiated. I think it's just something your monitor.

51:41

Let's see what happens when they play San Antonio

51:43

in a couple of nights on Saturday night, then

51:45

they go to Minnesota. They still have Portland again upcoming

51:48

on the road, like they have some difficult games

51:50

here, and so we'll get a really good

51:52

chance to see how they how they got to

51:54

this point. It it shows

51:57

that you know, the weakness is obviously

52:00

see Damian little little let them

52:02

up and we'll see tonight as

52:04

you have good guards scoring from Denver. Brit

52:07

Forms lit him up, so did LaMarcus Aldrich

52:10

tonight you got guards that can score

52:12

and you got Yokich, So

52:14

it'll be a good challenge. But it also should

52:16

be stated, you're better defensive when you have all your guys,

52:19

so if you get in foul trouble you can you

52:21

can play a little bit harder defensively. And

52:24

they're they're calling them really really close,

52:26

calling it really really close. That's

52:28

what they do. Early in the season. I'll catch up

52:30

with World Series Champ and MLB on Fox. Analyst

52:32

j Perzynski coming up. It feels

52:35

like the series is over. Remember the Red Sox

52:37

went and they've won their past two series

52:39

on the road. Can

52:41

they do the same against the Dodgers. That's

52:45

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54:16

J. Prasinski in moments, you

54:18

know, I like it a bullpen to surgery,

54:22

right, and I've been really, really fortunate.

54:24

And I remember my senior year in college,

54:27

I was planning then I started

54:29

after every practice, how it gets swelling in my knee,

54:31

in the back of my knee, and

54:35

you go see the team doctor. At the time, it was a guy,

54:37

Doc Cooper, who was in

54:39

the process of retiring. Ye

54:41

have got You might have to get that cut up. Might

54:44

be a meniscal tear, and um,

54:47

you know without looking at an m R I. So

54:50

I was in my mind, I was thinking, Man, let's

54:52

see how bad the meniscus is. If it's bad, do

54:56

I take a medical red shirt? Now

54:58

it was old, it was twenty three turned twenty four,

55:00

my senior year. Anyway, like it would be like a

55:03

senior citizen plane in this thing. But you

55:05

know, if I'm gonna miss six weeks of the season, maybe

55:09

seven weeks of the season where I'm totally right, like,

55:11

does it even make sense? And

55:14

then we got an m R I and it didn't appear to

55:16

be appeared to be you know, some sort of

55:19

muscle weakness and a muscle that connects

55:22

right near the meniscus and causes a similar

55:24

swelling kind of like a false read. So

55:28

I sat there and I thought to myself, Wow,

55:32

Um, good thing I didn't get cut. Because everyone

55:34

who's ever told me about surgery, it's like, look,

55:36

they can go and do the surgery right,

55:39

but every time they go in there, you have a chance of infection.

55:42

Even once the scope, every time

55:44

you go in there, you have the chance of building up some scar tissue

55:46

you have a chance of maybe fixing the right but maybe

55:49

nicking something else. Dave

55:54

Roberts has lived by

55:57

the bullpen this offseason, and it performed

56:00

really, really well in

56:02

the NLCS against the Milwaukee Brewers.

56:04

Should be pointing out they won that series in

56:07

no small part because of the

56:09

of the consistency of their

56:11

bullpen. But

56:14

he went back to Ryan Madson last night. He entered

56:16

Game one, bottom of the fifth, gave up two runs

56:18

in a walk and on a fielder's choice in a

56:20

single, and just didn't look comfortable.

56:24

He entered yesterday's game with the basses

56:26

juice the bottom of the fifth inning. He

56:28

could have left for you in to try and close it out. He

56:31

could have gone to Bias and people like, well,

56:33

you know by as you want to use him later

56:35

in the game. No, you

56:37

can lose the game in the fifth inning. The Dodgers

56:39

did. Don't believe me. Here's Dave Roberts for me right

56:42

there. I have a decision to make to give

56:44

her a chance to get out of that spot

56:47

and face Pierce, or go with the guy that I

56:49

know matches up really well, hasn't seen

56:51

much of them, saw him the night prior. But I just

56:53

felt that again Madison was the right guy

56:55

to get us out of that. And that was a difference in the game

56:58

right there. You know, you talk about things before

57:00

the game happens, and I just fought

57:02

again. Matt's wants the right guy in that spot, that's

57:06

what he thinks. But he also knows that's where

57:08

they lost the game. So

57:12

I also knows it's where they going back. That's that's

57:15

that's you know, And he keep going to the well.

57:17

Every time you go in there, every

57:20

time you cut open that wound

57:22

and you try and fix it, you

57:25

run the risk. Now, look, if

57:27

we use gas and he's done, You're like, man, they're

57:29

hitting him hard. You

57:31

gotta go to the pen. And so I understand

57:34

sometimes surgery is a necessity, but if you don't

57:36

have to, like yeah, because

57:40

you bring a guy in cold and

57:43

anything that happened. And Ryan Matson, who was good in the DS

57:45

and good in the CS, has been the opposite

57:47

of that here in the World

57:50

Series. Let's bring in a

57:52

J. Presynski, a World Series Champion MLBY

57:54

on Fox Analyst Game three tomorrow

57:57

night, Chevez Ravine Fox Major League of

57:59

MLB. Game starts at seven thirty.

58:01

The game is at eight. That's eight Eastern

58:03

time, five Pacific Red Sox

58:06

Dodgers and not elimination

58:08

game, but must win time. Now, A

58:10

j What's what's your assessment of Dave Roberts

58:13

managing to this point? He's

58:15

done when he's done all year? Uh. And

58:18

it's tough, man. It's

58:20

tough to look guys in the face

58:22

and say, hey, guess what. Cody

58:24

Bellinger, Max Munsey, these

58:26

guys. Jack Peterson said, you're not gonna play

58:28

the first two games. You're not gonna start the first two games

58:31

of the World Series. And those are some of your best

58:33

players, and they've been there for you all year. And I

58:35

know they've done it all year, but I'm a big believer, and

58:37

you go with your best nine, especially in crunch time.

58:39

And he hasn't done it and

58:42

hasn't worked the first two games. But now they get to go home

58:44

to l A and we'll see what happens. But I heard

58:46

you talking about Ryan Matson. I mean, that's one of the problems

58:48

with all this bullpenning that everyone's so in love with, is

58:50

all it takes is one guy to have an off night and it screws

58:53

up the whole thing. Yeah, and I liken it to surgery,

58:55

right, like more times you go in, the more times

58:57

something something can go wrong. Um.

59:00

And I also think that that that while all that statistical

59:03

data is great, different guys

59:05

react differently to different levels

59:07

of pressure. And I mean you could

59:09

tell in game one he won, right, I'm watching him

59:12

in Game two him like, dude, this guy has no confidence.

59:15

I just I don't really, I

59:17

don't really understand. Is this what Dave Roberts

59:19

wants to do or is this what he was hired to do? And

59:21

so that's why he's doing You're gonna

59:23

have to ask Andrew Freedom and that is the

59:27

the president of baseball ops over there, the

59:29

Dodger land. Um, I don't know. I

59:31

think it's what he's done. Now. Was

59:33

he hired because he would say he would do this?

59:36

I would say he probably had to say okay to

59:38

whatever they wanted because he was a young guy with no experience.

59:40

So, um, but does he want

59:42

to do it? I think he's had enough success with it

59:44

that he believes in it now. Um, but

59:47

man, does he want to do this? I don't

59:49

know. I mean, I'm sure he wished Kirkshaw and and where

59:51

you would go out there and give him nine solid anything, he didn't

59:54

have to worry about it. But that hasn't happened, and the

59:56

Dodgers haven't followed that philosophy. For the last two post

59:58

seasons. We've seen no a J.

1:00:00

Persinski joining us on the Doug got Lib Show.

1:00:03

What about the idea that, hey, the Red

1:00:05

Sox are just better? Is that a fair

1:00:07

explanation for what's happened. I

1:00:10

can't argue with that. Yes, there's been

1:00:12

some questionable moves, but yeah, at

1:00:14

the end of the day, I think you look one through, the Red

1:00:16

Sox have a better team. I mean their lineup is done

1:00:19

what they've done all year, and that's hit there. They

1:00:21

just, you know what the Red Sox have. They

1:00:23

have guys to get big hits. Forget the numbers. I know

1:00:25

J D. Martinez, Mookie Best is probably the the

1:00:28

most valuable player in the American League. But they

1:00:31

got guys that just get big hits and big situations.

1:00:33

You give me twenty five guys that get big hits and then

1:00:35

that may not be the biggest names, but I'll take those twenty

1:00:37

five guys and go to battle every time. How

1:00:39

do you explain the two out the

1:00:42

two out rallies. They've had the fact that they've dominated

1:00:44

with two outs. That's that's my point.

1:00:47

There, you go, they got guys to get big hits and they

1:00:49

want to be up in those situations. There's a there's

1:00:51

a huge difference between having

1:00:53

guys that say, oh, yeah, I want to be the man. I want

1:00:55

to be the man. I want to be the man, and then having guys that actually

1:00:58

want to be the man. And you've got a couple. You've got nine guys

1:01:00

on the Boston Red Sox. I played with a bunch

1:01:02

of those guys, Ian Kinsler, I played with Mitch

1:01:05

Moreland, I played with Mookie Batt's, Sander Bogart's.

1:01:08

All these guys were guys that I played with somewhere

1:01:10

along in my career. And these guys all thriving

1:01:12

that under those pressure situations, they want

1:01:14

to be up in those situations. And there's

1:01:17

a huge difference. You

1:01:19

gotta want to be up in those situations and until

1:01:21

you step into the box and you can accept

1:01:23

it. Hey, I might make it out right here, but I want I

1:01:25

want the pressure on me. Then you can

1:01:27

kind of own in. And the Red Sox have those guys

1:01:30

and it is it is tough to be the

1:01:32

team of those guys. I'm not saying the Dodgers guys

1:01:34

aren't like that. But to me, if you look at the way

1:01:36

the Red Sox are playing, the confidence they have in the way

1:01:38

they go about it, and they want to be up in those big

1:01:40

situations. What changed with Craig Kimbrill.

1:01:44

Well, he was tipping pitches, wasn't he. That's what everyone was

1:01:46

saying. Is that simple?

1:01:49

No? Is it something when he holds his arm out

1:01:51

to the right hand side, if he holds it at a certain angles

1:01:53

at a certain pitch like that, that whole

1:01:55

peering in thing is odd. Like when

1:01:58

was he tipping bitches? They

1:02:00

said? When he was? I think when he was bringing his glove up

1:02:02

is what they were saying. But I don't know. I

1:02:04

mean, she's if it was that simple, I mean, everybody

1:02:06

would have hit him all year because trust me, there's

1:02:08

cameras on everything you do, so I

1:02:11

don't know he was off on this fastball. First of all,

1:02:13

the the Astros

1:02:15

did a great job of laying off some really good pitches. They

1:02:17

didn't swing in his break them. Of If you watch those games

1:02:19

and you notice those games they did not swing in a breaking

1:02:21

ball. So did they know they were coming? Maybe? Were

1:02:23

they guessing and counts maybe? Um,

1:02:26

excuse me? Were they great hitters? Yes? And did they

1:02:29

lay off a lot of good pitches? Yes? So they also

1:02:31

had a dude. They also had a dude in the camera. Well who

1:02:33

was he was? He was? He was making

1:02:36

sure that they weren't they weren't

1:02:38

stealing signs. Right, that's that's interesting.

1:02:41

I mean, but hey, MLB cleared him, so obviously

1:02:43

they were doing no wrong. Right, Yeah, I

1:02:47

love I love how they cleared him and then

1:02:49

said, but no one else can do that ever again.

1:02:51

There's nothing wrong with what he did, but we're not going to do

1:02:53

that ever again. Well, you know, they gotta

1:02:56

they gotta make sure that everyone understands that they shouldn't

1:02:58

do that again and that they weren't doing anything wrong. You just

1:03:00

had an investigation in two days to make sure

1:03:02

that he was just making sure that the Red

1:03:04

Sox weren't stealing signs. It was. It was an interesting

1:03:07

play by MLB, but I think everyone in

1:03:09

all parties was satisfied with the result because

1:03:12

the Red Sox won the series. Are

1:03:14

are the Are the Dodgers dead? I

1:03:17

don't think they are. I just don't. I think they're

1:03:19

gonna They're gonna find a way in l a um

1:03:22

the cold. The Fenway Park

1:03:24

is a different animal until you've played

1:03:27

a playoff game. And if you look

1:03:29

at the the Dodgers

1:03:31

roster, they don't have a bunch of guys that have ever played

1:03:33

there. There wasn't a ton of guys that have played the outfield

1:03:36

there. They haven't been in games there. Kershaw

1:03:38

had never pitched there. I mean, there is

1:03:40

some major factors and some major different

1:03:43

things. The way you warm up there is different than

1:03:45

any other part. The way you play

1:03:47

the outfield and play the infield and and

1:03:49

move around, and the dugouts are weird. It's just

1:03:51

a different atmosphere. And until you've been there and you've

1:03:54

played in that place, you cannot

1:03:56

tell someone It would be like like you played

1:03:58

college basketball, be like first time

1:04:00

you went to say Kansas and just

1:04:02

has the courts the same, everything is the same,

1:04:04

but something just a little bit off. That's Fenway

1:04:06

Park. Yeah. I would also say, and you

1:04:09

tell me if I'm wrong, Like, look,

1:04:11

if you're you're a Dodger and I live in southern

1:04:13

California, but I've lived back East, like your

1:04:15

Dodger. That means eighty two home

1:04:17

games the year you got perfect weather, right and

1:04:20

then and then and then of your

1:04:22

road games. San Francisco can get a little chilly.

1:04:25

Um. But outside of that in division

1:04:28

uh and and maybe if you play in Colorado earlier

1:04:30

late in the year, outside of that, you're playing in perfect

1:04:32

weather or in domes, you probably play

1:04:36

twenty game. It's a summer sport.

1:04:38

You're playing twenty games all year at

1:04:41

most where it's below sixty

1:04:43

degrees. Sixty degrees and

1:04:46

that they had the other night where Clayton Kersha had

1:04:48

only pitched one game under fifty degrees. Heck, when

1:04:50

I was in Chicago, we played three months in or fifty degrees.

1:04:52

So right, So it is and it

1:04:55

is different. Like I tell people this all the time.

1:04:57

The coldest day in the United States is fifty degrees

1:04:59

and New Poor Beach. Because you're just not used

1:05:01

to it, and it's twenty degrees below

1:05:04

what you're used to, you're like, oh my god, this

1:05:06

is the coldest I've ever felt. And so San

1:05:08

Francisco, you go to San Francisco, it's

1:05:10

like that. It's it's crazy, how cold

1:05:13

and how chilly and just San Francisco.

1:05:15

I mean the middle of August and it's seventy

1:05:18

seventy degrees high and fifty cloud

1:05:21

and foggy at night. I mean, it

1:05:23

feels like you're in the frozen tundra. A

1:05:26

J. Pasinski joining us on the Doug Gotlip Show

1:05:28

on Fox Sports Radio. Um,

1:05:31

give me your sense of of Walker

1:05:33

Bueller and the

1:05:35

likelihood that he steps up and that

1:05:38

doesn't just pitch well, but you can get out of,

1:05:40

say the fifth inning, where they haven't gotten you know,

1:05:42

one star goes four and one star goes five. So far,

1:05:45

they don't want me, They don't. Do they want them to go to the fifth

1:05:47

inning? That would be my question. They really want

1:05:49

them to go to the fifth inning because they could have gotten

1:05:51

guys through the fifth inning where you could have got through

1:05:53

the fifth inning last night if they really wanted them to. But

1:05:56

that's not the way the Dodgers play. They don't. They

1:05:58

don't care if they get through the fifth in They just they

1:06:00

just want guys to get them to their

1:06:03

bullpen as fast as they can. That's that's the

1:06:05

Dodgers baseball. That's just the way it is. So I

1:06:07

don't know do they even really wanted to go to the fifth inning?

1:06:09

If he could, he's got the stuff.

1:06:12

That guy is nasty. Mean, that guy's stuff is as good as anybody's

1:06:14

stuff I've seen this year. So could

1:06:16

he do it? Yeah? Could he go out and pitch great and

1:06:19

have a rich hill situation from last

1:06:21

year? Or the show was dealing in the fifth inning?

1:06:23

They took him out just because the computer said

1:06:25

it. Take him out? Absolutely? So do they

1:06:28

wanted to get through the fifth inning? If they do, he will, And if

1:06:30

they don't, then they'll make their decision and they'll live

1:06:32

with it. I was talking about this is

1:06:34

my producer. If you're a millennial,

1:06:36

it's really hard for people to understand

1:06:39

how how bad the Red Sox were or

1:06:41

how they couldn't get over the hump the

1:06:44

eighties six years and and now you've

1:06:46

got all these you know, you have the

1:06:49

good thing about the Red Sox invading Dodger Stadium

1:06:51

is they're also polite and none of them are arrogant at

1:06:53

all. Right, that's

1:06:55

funny. People used to ask me all the time, they're the worst

1:06:57

fans were And I used to always say, you know what they

1:06:59

were? They ink fans. And then the

1:07:01

Red Sox won, and then it all changed. It

1:07:04

was like, man, you guys used to be so nice because

1:07:06

you guys have never won, and then all of a sudden, you

1:07:08

guys win, and you're not so nice anymore. What happened

1:07:11

to that nice that you guys used to have. It used

1:07:13

to be like, oh, you know, they're Boston, they're fine, but man,

1:07:15

you go to Yankees stain maybe all over. And then as soon as the Red

1:07:17

Sox want to know for it completely changed, and

1:07:20

now it's just they win all the time.

1:07:22

Now it's just a given any The Patriots are gonna

1:07:24

win and the Red Sox are gonna win. But the Patriots

1:07:26

were bad for a long time and the Red Sox

1:07:29

were worse for even longer. And it's hard to explain.

1:07:31

Somebody like, trust me, this is like the when the Saints

1:07:33

won the Super You're like, you know, it's like ten years

1:07:35

ago. They used to wear bad paper bags over their heads,

1:07:37

be like no way, Like, yeah, the Saints were. The

1:07:39

Saints were what the Browns have been the last five years, But

1:07:41

they were that way for twenty five years. You're

1:07:44

right, you're right, um, And

1:07:46

the Red Sox were like that forever. Um.

1:07:48

So, yeah, it's amazing how certain people

1:07:50

coming. Heck, look at the Cubs. The Cups are the same way now.

1:07:52

The Cubs are America's Darling. I mean

1:07:55

they win, they once they won. I

1:07:57

mean, man, it's like everyone just assumes

1:08:00

win every year now. But it's not that easy, especially

1:08:02

in baseball. But it is good for the

1:08:04

game though. I think. I think it's good for the Red Sox

1:08:06

to be good. It's good for the Yankees to be good. I

1:08:08

know people who get tired of seeing them, but man, people

1:08:11

tune in to watch those series. What's

1:08:14

you mentioned that that Fenway is tricky?

1:08:16

What's Dodgers Stadium like? Very

1:08:19

fair? Um? Not that not a not

1:08:21

a great place to hit. The games are at five o'clock. The shadows

1:08:23

are gonna be tough. Um, it's very fair

1:08:25

if the Marine layers there. As you know, being out in l

1:08:27

A it can be a little difficult

1:08:30

to get the ball out of the park. But um,

1:08:32

it is very fair. It's it's definitely one

1:08:35

of the most fair ballparks for a pitcher

1:08:38

in all of baseball, and with the the game

1:08:41

trending towards offense and home runs, Dodger

1:08:43

Stadium is very fair, and

1:08:46

it gives up home runs. It should be home runs,

1:08:48

and hopefully the people arrive on time

1:08:50

because Dodger Stadium has a reputation of guys

1:08:52

showing up a little bit later the fans um,

1:08:54

but they'll be out in full force and they'll be loud, and they'll

1:08:57

be behind their team. But understand is always a

1:08:59

fun place because you know it's gonna be seventy and sunny every

1:09:01

game. So so very fair to

1:09:03

people who don't don't know the baseball lingo, that's

1:09:05

like like New Yankee Stadium, where you hit

1:09:08

a little dink up in the air and right center and it goes

1:09:10

out that that's the opposite of being very

1:09:12

fair. Right, I'm just trying to give the very

1:09:15

fair means you have to hit a home run to hit a home run. Um.

1:09:18

Actually, to be honest with you, I think that if

1:09:22

anything, Dodger Stadium is a

1:09:24

pictures park. Over not quite to

1:09:26

the fact that like a T and T up in San

1:09:28

fran is a pictures park, but it is. It

1:09:30

definitely leans more towards pitching than it does towards

1:09:32

hitting a j great stuff. Look

1:09:34

forward to seeing you on Fox this upcoming weekend.

1:09:36

Thanks so much for joining us. Hey, no problem, Thanks

1:09:39

for having me, guys. A J. Prasinski joining us

1:09:41

on the Doug Gottlib Show. Let's get you to Dan Buyer.

1:09:43

He's always fair, always

1:09:45

fair. No cheapies. What do you got,

1:09:48

Doug tonights in week eight? No cheapie?

1:09:50

Here on Thursday Night football Dolphins

1:09:53

and Texans from Houston eight

1:09:55

twenty Eastern time. I say it sarcastically, but

1:09:57

both teams do have a winning record. Brock

1:10:00

Oswaller gets the start against his former team

1:10:02

tonight. Now. The NFL reportedly fired

1:10:05

down judge Hugo Cruz after a botched

1:10:07

call in week six. The call a

1:10:09

false start that should have been called on Chargers

1:10:12

tackle Russell o'coon. On that play, the

1:10:14

Charlengers scored a touchdown. Cruz

1:10:16

hasn't been on the sideline since, and multiple reports

1:10:18

say he became the first official to be fired by

1:10:20

the NFL during the season in the

1:10:22

Super Bowl era. In Major League Baseball,

1:10:25

no World Series Game three tonight. They'll play

1:10:27

tomorrow between the Red Sox and Dodgers, but there

1:10:29

was action in the MLB. The Twins

1:10:32

have named Rocco Baldelli as their new skipper.

1:10:35

The thirty seven year old becomes the youngest manager

1:10:37

in baseball. After spending four seasons

1:10:39

as a coach with the Tampa Bay Rays. Raised

1:10:41

bench coach Charlie Montoyle is gonna be the

1:10:43

new manager of the Toronto Blue

1:10:45

Jays. A report from the Washington Post

1:10:48

says the commission that investigated Maryland football

1:10:50

found the program didn't have a toxic culture.

1:10:53

Foot one that was based on fear of meeting

1:10:55

was reportedly held earlier this week to be said the

1:10:57

future of head coach d J. Durkin and other

1:11:00

is involved with the team following the death of player

1:11:02

Jordan McNair. Last mate. Bolts

1:11:05

forward Bobby Portis is gonna miss sport to six

1:11:07

weeks with a spring mcl in his right

1:11:09

knee. No Kevin love tonight for the Calves against

1:11:11

the Pistons. He's out with a sore foot. Doug,

1:11:16

Thank you so much. Dan Doug got lip show Fox Sports

1:11:18

Radio. There's an old saying that goes off.

1:11:20

A coach loses a locker room, he has to be fired.

1:11:24

What if he loses a locker room he

1:11:26

was trying to empty out anyway. We'll

1:11:29

get to that next. He's sure to catch live

1:11:31

editions of The Doug Dot Leap Show weekdays

1:11:33

at noon Eastern three pm Pacific. Previously

1:11:37

on The Doug got Leap Show. Robert

1:11:41

Woods joins us on The Doug got Lip

1:11:43

Show here on Fox Sports Radio.

1:11:45

Give me something about golf that we don't

1:11:48

know. There has to be something behind the face

1:11:50

mask in a game. Is he secretly super

1:11:52

competitive or is he always kind of that chill, laid

1:11:55

back guy. I would say both. I think

1:11:57

he is very laid back. He's always in control,

1:12:00

very confident. But I will

1:12:02

say he is I con creder. I know he lines

1:12:04

up and he reads the defense,

1:12:06

and I think he's very confident in our ability in

1:12:08

our plays that we could compete with

1:12:11

anybody. He loves his match up, he takes

1:12:13

his his senses. But the biggest

1:12:15

thing, he's aggressive any and he's

1:12:18

poised at the same time. And I think that's a good,

1:12:20

uh combination for our quarterback.

1:12:22

You want one who is aggressive and takes

1:12:25

his shots and takes his match up, but you

1:12:27

want a quarterback who also is going to lead

1:12:29

and stay poised and matter of the situation, to throught the

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car by the experience. I

1:12:56

saw this article from Vic Tafer,

1:12:58

who covers the Raiders or the Athletic

1:13:02

quote. Some players told victafor

1:13:05

of the Athletic the way Gruden handled the trades

1:13:07

has them questioning the coaches quote accountability.

1:13:10

When what you say and what you do are two different

1:13:13

things, there's a problem, when players said. Veteran

1:13:15

players who spoke with Tafer indicated that they

1:13:17

don't believe Gruden when he says he's

1:13:19

not tanking in two thousand eighteen. You

1:13:22

have to wonder if we haven't

1:13:24

been playing for draft picks all along. One

1:13:26

player said, despite everything the coaches

1:13:28

told us a training camp. Another

1:13:30

player described the Mac deal as a stiff jab,

1:13:33

but the Cooper trade as a knockout punch. Because

1:13:35

the players were blindsided by it coming

1:13:37

out of a bye. We didn't want

1:13:39

to believe it was coming and coach says, we weren't

1:13:41

going to trade him. The veteran said, he

1:13:44

actually didn't say he wasn't going to trade him.

1:13:47

And part of the reason they didn't think they were going

1:13:49

to make the clear McK trade, and part of the reason they

1:13:51

didn't think they were going to make it Amari Cooper

1:13:53

trade was no one believed

1:13:56

that someone would give him a first round pick and

1:13:58

take Amari Cooper's entire con tracked off

1:14:00

his hands. People didn't believe that

1:14:02

anybody would offer two first round picks for khlil

1:14:04

Mack and then give him the biggest contract in

1:14:06

the history of the league at his position, but

1:14:09

they did. This

1:14:12

is a lot like when you ask a

1:14:14

coach after a big game. I had on

1:14:18

was Jeff Brohm earlier

1:14:20

this week from from Purdue. I'm

1:14:22

not gonna ask him about Louisville. Louisville's

1:14:25

coaching. Louisville's position is

1:14:27

not open. He played there, it is

1:14:30

not open. And

1:14:32

oh yeah, by the way, as of right now, they

1:14:34

oh Petrino a lot of money. They're still on the

1:14:36

hook with a lawsuit with Pattino for a lot of

1:14:38

money. So I was to ask him first.

1:14:40

It's on Fairy still got games to be played. Second,

1:14:43

like, he may answer the question, no, I'm

1:14:47

I'm in on on Purdue, But by the end

1:14:49

of the season he may see that, you

1:14:51

know, there's just a ceiling to this program.

1:14:54

And oh yeah, by the way, whatever money is out

1:14:57

there that he feels like Louisville doesn't Louisville

1:14:59

doesn't have out. They may get out of the Patino

1:15:01

deal. They may get out of the Petrino deal. They

1:15:03

may have f you money to throw at him,

1:15:06

and that may change everything. Sometimes

1:15:08

it depends when you ask a guy. But the biggest

1:15:10

thing is we're still we're so concerned

1:15:13

about coaches losing a locker room.

1:15:16

What if you love the locker room that you

1:15:18

didn't want to keep to begin with. He

1:15:21

can't tell you they're tanking, can't

1:15:24

tell his own players, Heyward

1:15:26

tanking. The

1:15:29

first rule of tank club, John Ramos

1:15:31

is, don't talk about tank

1:15:33

club. The second rule of tank club,

1:15:35

Ryan Music is you do not talk

1:15:38

about tank club. Let's

1:15:40

see what the Fox said every

1:15:47

day. This time we play for you a portion of

1:15:50

a show earlier

1:15:52

on Fox Sports Radio, UM

1:15:55

in which um we found

1:15:57

something interesting. Here's Jay Wright, head

1:16:00

coach the defending national champion Villanova Wildcats.

1:16:02

On First Things First, talking about a special player in

1:16:04

the NBA as a coach is saying, I'd love

1:16:07

to have that guy because

1:16:09

not his length and ability is incredible.

1:16:12

But when you listen to him talk, he's so

1:16:14

humble and coachable. You had a great line earlier

1:16:16

in the show and you said, I tell my young guys

1:16:19

to give up their talent because it submit your talented

1:16:21

coach. There's not a lot of guys that do

1:16:23

that, as you know, a lot of great ones.

1:16:25

They think, all right, I got a lot of talent to coach. Has to deal

1:16:28

with me, be honest. Looks like he

1:16:31

he's improving every year. He's getting better

1:16:34

and better, and I think he's going to get a

1:16:36

consistent three point shot soon and

1:16:38

it's gonna be over that. Dude's incredibly

1:16:41

best player. If that happens, he'll be the best player in the league.

1:16:44

It's possible. It's very possible. There's

1:16:47

so much about him which is so dynamic. He

1:16:50

does the opposite of the Ben Simmons thing. He's

1:16:52

not a good shoot. He's not as bad as shooter as Simmons. He's

1:16:54

also been the league longer but

1:16:56

he Ben Simmons can't You won't

1:16:58

shoot three point shots, Janice can't

1:17:01

shoot? Does three shoot three point shots

1:17:03

and is improving while doing it, leading to believe that ultimately

1:17:05

he'll be able to do it. Um.

1:17:08

The last thing for y honest though, is does

1:17:10

he have the it? Does

1:17:13

he have the it that the great ones

1:17:15

have? Can he make everybody

1:17:17

else around him that much better? That's

1:17:20

the one thing that we don't know, because

1:17:23

we haven't seen him compete at a high

1:17:25

enough level yet in the playoffs. I'm

1:17:27

not disputing anything Jay Wright saying, and I

1:17:29

completely agree with how humble he is and how

1:17:32

rare that seems to be. His

1:17:34

versatility is virtually unmatched

1:17:36

at both ends of the floor. But

1:17:39

there is this it thing that the best of them

1:17:41

have, the best of them have this ability

1:17:44

to bring up everybody

1:17:46

else's level, and

1:17:48

I don't know if he has that. I just don't

1:17:51

know. That's what the Fox said, you

1:17:55

know. Um, going back to that Gruden thing,

1:17:57

I mean, go and look at their contracts.

1:18:01

You got Donald Penn under under contract

1:18:03

after this year, after they reworked his contract.

1:18:06

But outside of that, pretty much anybody you

1:18:08

know about the Raiders, Derek

1:18:11

Carr seven point five million dollars in dead cap

1:18:13

money. So if they get rid of him that seven

1:18:15

point five million, they won't be able to spend in the cap

1:18:18

and the caps going up, Donald

1:18:21

Penn, Rodney Hudson. That's

1:18:24

they combined for about eight million

1:18:26

in change. Eight

1:18:28

million in change gave

1:18:32

Gabe Jackson no dead cap

1:18:34

money in eighteen, Bruce Irvin no dead cat

1:18:36

money in eighteen. Even Jordy Nelson, who

1:18:38

has been way more productive than people thought,

1:18:41

no dead cap money if he wants to restructure

1:18:43

his deal or if he wants to cut him.

1:18:47

This is a house cleaning. This

1:18:51

is John Gruin going, let's just spend the first year

1:18:53

trying to figure out what's what we

1:18:55

got ourselves set up so we'll have massive cap

1:18:57

flexibility and we got a bunch

1:18:59

of draft picks and will slowly build

1:19:01

a sustainable model. Sustainable.

1:19:08

You don't want a team that wins one year. You want

1:19:10

a team that it's competing for the division, competing

1:19:12

for the Super Bowl every year. Otherwise

1:19:15

what's the point doing it? Yes,

1:19:17

Ryan Music, So first thing

1:19:19

I'm curious about do you think this

1:19:22

was originally the plan going in?

1:19:24

Like when he sat down with Mark

1:19:27

Davis, and Mark Davis is like, look, you

1:19:29

know, we'll give you essentially this blank

1:19:31

check, just sign your name on it. Do

1:19:34

you think Gruden's going, all right, well, it's

1:19:36

gonna have to be ten years because we're starting

1:19:38

over, or do you think it was like, well, I'm

1:19:40

only gonna do ten years because I want job security.

1:19:43

But I think you guys have a pretty good roster and we can

1:19:45

make this happen right away. Um.

1:19:47

Look, I think he's had a lot of opportunities to get

1:19:49

back in the league, and he probably when he saw

1:19:52

it was the Raiders and he knew what

1:19:54

he was working with and he'd evaluated their team,

1:19:57

he probably went and looked at it and said like,

1:19:59

all right, man, this has got to be a ten year deal, because

1:20:02

I have He was really well

1:20:04

liked at ESPN. He

1:20:07

may not have been beloved by all

1:20:09

of the print media or the digital

1:20:12

media and some fans. I

1:20:14

didn't rip guys as much. And everybody's

1:20:16

a tough football player, I love, I want

1:20:18

to coach this guy, I like this guy. Whatever, but

1:20:21

he was he was really well liked to ESPN,

1:20:24

so he had a lifetime appointment. That's

1:20:26

a that's a calling Monday night football games is

1:20:28

when you're John Gruten. He had a long term

1:20:31

contract. He was good. He didn't love it because

1:20:33

he liked working with Rico better than McDonald's. It wasn't

1:20:36

perfect, but he could have. He could have

1:20:38

changed the play by play guy simply by

1:20:40

saying I'll stay if he changed the play guy play by play

1:20:42

guy, and that would have happened. So

1:20:45

it had to be a long term deal. And I

1:20:47

think additionally he thought

1:20:49

that he was going to clean house and do things

1:20:51

his way. Do I think he thought that Derek

1:20:54

Carr wasn't his type of guy. No,

1:20:56

I think anybody who meets Derek

1:20:58

Carr likes Derek Carr. Your initial

1:21:00

meeting is, man, do I love this guy? But

1:21:05

he lacks something

1:21:09

that Gruden doesn't like that some guys

1:21:12

and that team doesn't like. There's

1:21:14

something missing right now, that

1:21:16

doesn't mean that he's totally out on him, but it

1:21:19

feels like it's trending that way. And

1:21:21

I think that interception against against

1:21:24

the Dolphins was massive. Massive.

1:21:28

You know, you got a coaches um,

1:21:33

you gotta you have a coaches

1:21:36

first win kind of in your

1:21:39

hands, and you know, you feel like

1:21:41

it's a coaching win based upon the plays they're

1:21:43

in in the first fifteen and

1:21:46

you know you're throw an untimely interception that's

1:21:48

not needed, that's going to irritate anybody.

1:21:51

So there's some lack of buying there. Do I think

1:21:53

it was this initial initial plan to

1:21:56

get rid of anybody everybody? No,

1:21:58

But I I think he knew that was a

1:22:00

possibility, and they

1:22:04

they they had to misunderstand

1:22:06

or not evaluate the cap properly

1:22:09

because they couldn't make the clear mac where they

1:22:11

work. But and so how long will it take him

1:22:14

to get back to like

1:22:16

playoff level and contention,

1:22:18

just because in the NBA, the

1:22:21

idea that when you you tank and you try

1:22:23

to build for the future, you know, it takes one

1:22:25

maybe two players and it's like boom, you're

1:22:27

there again. But yeah, it's not, that's

1:22:30

not that's not necessarily true. It hasn't

1:22:32

been. You're not tanking, you're there unless

1:22:34

you land a free agent. But in

1:22:37

terms of tanking and getting draft picks, it takes

1:22:39

several years. Several years. I

1:22:41

would say it'll take them two years. I

1:22:45

just mean from the NBA's perspective, individual players

1:22:48

are much more impactful and with the NFL. When

1:22:50

you strip it down, it's really hard to get

1:22:52

back to that level. M. Yeah,

1:22:55

yes and no, Yes and no.

1:22:58

I mean like, look, if you have a good if you the right

1:23:00

quarterback, it's not Andrew Luck,

1:23:02

it wasn't you know that they were immediately

1:23:05

much better. Um. A

1:23:07

lot of it comes down to if you get the right quarterback

1:23:10

and you make the right move. Remember, they're also gonna have a lot of cap

1:23:12

room to sign veteran players as well. It's not

1:23:14

gonna be all young players. Knock.

1:23:17

We got a great third hour for you. Troy

1:23:19

Aikman will join us. Troy

1:23:22

Aikman will join us next hour as we get ready

1:23:24

for the Dolphins, try and figure out what's

1:23:27

wrong with Ryan Tannehill's shoulder taking on

1:23:29

the Texans. Are the Texans back? But coming

1:23:31

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1:23:59

like to give you a picks things that

1:24:01

I see. I got an NBA one for you. I'll give

1:24:03

you upcoming. So

1:24:08

many things to get to in the world of sports, just

1:24:11

an amazing depth of

1:24:13

of discussions. Tonight we have Thursday Night

1:24:15

Football. Of course, last night we had Major League

1:24:17

Baseball, were the World Series. And

1:24:20

I told you before the World Series began, I love

1:24:22

it, I I do. And

1:24:24

the last year, Game six of the World Series was

1:24:27

Halloween. This year it would be Game

1:24:29

seven. If we can get to a Game seven, it

1:24:31

will be prohibitibly more difficult now because the Dodgs

1:24:33

are down two games to none. But I

1:24:35

do feel a little bit robbed by this series

1:24:38

so far. Not that there haven't been

1:24:40

big moments and big pitching decisions, and Dave

1:24:42

Roberts seems to have blown both of them by

1:24:44

going by by how nine thousand,

1:24:47

But but it's more we

1:24:50

didn't have There's nothing like bottom of the ninth

1:24:52

Fenway Park runner two runners on

1:24:55

kimbro on the mound, like you can see the

1:24:58

stress and the pain and the

1:25:00

hitter and the picture and the and

1:25:03

the catcher and some fans face.

1:25:07

We haven't had Kenley yet in a high leveage

1:25:09

situation. I

1:25:13

do feel robbed a little bit? I expected

1:25:15

not fireworks, but I expected a close

1:25:18

something to be decided in the lasting game. We haven't

1:25:20

gotten it yet. I've

1:25:23

got it yet. We've talked a little about Gruden,

1:25:26

who knows the first and second rule of tank

1:25:28

Club. We've talked a little bit about the

1:25:30

Cowboys. We'll talk more about both

1:25:32

with Troy Aikman, who's going to join us

1:25:34

at thirty two or

1:25:37

so after the hour, I think getting ready for

1:25:39

Thursday night football. In the

1:25:41

meantime, let's take it to Vegas. Wait till I give

1:25:43

my money? Right? Are you tired

1:25:46

of losing money every week? Do

1:25:49

you want to be in the well?

1:25:52

We might not know, but Vegas always

1:25:54

knows. Doug

1:26:04

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1:26:08

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1:26:10

of Vegas follows our show on a daily

1:26:13

basis. R J, thanks

1:26:15

so much for joining us. Let's get into tonight's

1:26:17

game. The Dolphins led by Brock Ostwalder.

1:26:20

But Brock get a chance to go into a place

1:26:22

that uh they signed him and then and

1:26:24

then ran him out of town. Um

1:26:27

still know? Ryan Tanneyhill, what are your

1:26:29

thoughts on tonight's game? Well, first,

1:26:31

I gotta say I'm happy it's Aikman to bump

1:26:34

me for my normal spot because if it was something like

1:26:36

the Sports Guy or something, you

1:26:38

know, maybe upset, but hey, if

1:26:40

you win a few Super Bowls in the Hall of Fame, I

1:26:43

can accept it. Well good,

1:26:46

because it wasn't really a choice. It

1:26:48

was we got Aikman. Alright, clear, clear the

1:26:50

deck. It doesn't you're around

1:26:52

this show. It was some e sports gymna

1:26:55

the sports guy on I

1:26:58

tell you this game tonight. Man. This is

1:27:00

why gambling is great, because who's watching this other

1:27:02

than the fans of the Dolphins or the Texans. Otherwise,

1:27:05

like you said, lines above a touchdown and

1:27:09

there's I look at these sides and I

1:27:11

have clear reasons not to bet either. Texans.

1:27:14

I don't want to lay over a TV with

1:27:17

a quarterback that is banged

1:27:19

up, And what does that mean? More conservative

1:27:21

play calling? If they get the lead, they're

1:27:23

gonna be conservative. On the other hand,

1:27:25

Dolphins, they play their last

1:27:27

two games at home a d plus

1:27:30

degree heat against the Bears two

1:27:32

weeks ago. That was the deciding factor, it

1:27:34

seemed. Now they're on the road on Thursday,

1:27:37

which is the worst situation. So positive

1:27:39

situation positive Now pretty

1:27:42

much the worst situation. So I can't

1:27:44

go either way. I'm gonna pass it, and quite

1:27:46

frankly, I probably won't be watching much either. All

1:27:48

right, thanks to our TV friends that really

1:27:50

appreciate you. You.

1:27:53

Oh wait, wait, hold on a second, I tell you this

1:27:56

game stop. Stop it stop

1:27:58

and stop and stop it stop and stopping. All

1:28:00

right, Let's go to some of your some of your games that that you

1:28:02

do. In fact, like that you actually do have

1:28:05

an opinion on UM one tip

1:28:07

about the Vikings a little bit kind of I don't

1:28:09

know if it's quietly, but this is a rematch

1:28:11

in Minnesota Sunday night against

1:28:14

the team that they narrowly beat on the Minnesota

1:28:16

Miracle. Um, this is it

1:28:18

was a pick them, I think the Vikings. Tell

1:28:21

me if I'm wrong. It moved to a point favorite

1:28:23

in it. You still like the Vikes, Yeah, I do. I

1:28:25

like the Vikings a good bit. You can still find pick them, but it's

1:28:27

right in that range. Remember you

1:28:30

lead with what I think the mainstream narrative

1:28:32

is revenge for the Minneapolis

1:28:36

Miracle. But you might remember,

1:28:38

and you're young, Doug, but you might remember

1:28:40

spinal tap back in the day. Can

1:28:42

the AMP go past ten, meaning

1:28:45

yeah, I think I

1:28:48

think it does help the Saints motivation, but

1:28:50

I think it's maxed out anyway. This is a

1:28:52

key game, and I think the Vikings

1:28:55

need this game. You can't lose

1:28:57

a home game to the Saints of feel

1:28:59

good at this point point, especially with the Packers

1:29:01

competitive and the Bears more competitive

1:29:04

than you would have expected, and Detroit looking

1:29:07

pretty good in the division, and

1:29:10

the Vikings have the fourth

1:29:12

best in the eyes of Vegas home field advantage

1:29:15

in the NFL. A lot of people don't think

1:29:17

of him as one of those great home teams. Saints

1:29:19

are not typically a good road team. Now. They

1:29:22

just had an impressive victory against

1:29:24

the Ravens, but now it's their second road

1:29:26

game in a row going back to two

1:29:28

thousand and twelve with the Saints. When they play two straight

1:29:31

road games two and eight straight up,

1:29:33

it's a tough spot form Vikings

1:29:35

just to win the game, I've bet it. I

1:29:38

actually completely and totally agree with Minnesota.

1:29:40

Adam Feland has been an absolute monster

1:29:42

and they've been doing it all without their starting running back.

1:29:45

Who will will We'll see if even plays

1:29:47

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1:29:58

Vegas. Let's go to the uh San

1:30:01

Francisco forty Niners. They travel

1:30:03

to Arizona take on the Cardinals, who they

1:30:05

they may not think they're in tank mode, but sure

1:30:07

appears that way against the Niners, who uh

1:30:10

not nearly as competitive last

1:30:13

week as they had been in previous weeks. I'll beat against

1:30:15

the Rams. Who do you like? Let me ask you

1:30:17

a question, because I I really do respect

1:30:19

your sports instincts right as a former

1:30:22

player and such. Do you think NFL teams

1:30:24

the players tank? No?

1:30:28

No, I don't. I don't either. I think

1:30:30

sometimes a team like the Browns

1:30:33

a couple of years ago would say, hey, I'll give

1:30:35

you one hamburger now for two hamburgers next year.

1:30:37

But that's not tanking, that's looking with an

1:30:39

eye towards the future. So I agree with you. I think

1:30:42

the forty Niners are the pick here. I've beat them,

1:30:44

and here's why everyone's remembering,

1:30:46

Oh wait a minute, these teams just played. It

1:30:49

was in San Francisco and the

1:30:51

forty Niners got beat pretty badly.

1:30:54

Well, now it's in Arizona and it's only pick

1:30:56

them, But did the forty Niners

1:30:58

get beat badly? They were

1:31:00

minus five in turnovers, so

1:31:03

Arizona was plus five obviously in that game.

1:31:06

A team that's plus five in the game wins over

1:31:08

nine percent of the time. It's literally

1:31:10

you can't overcome it. So except

1:31:13

when you're the Browns against the Steelers first week of the season.

1:31:15

But and that was so unusual. That's the one tie

1:31:17

actually in that nineties six very good

1:31:19

memory. And the fact of the matter is, if

1:31:21

you look at the stats, forty Niners had

1:31:24

over double the yards in that

1:31:26

game. So think about giving the ball up

1:31:28

that much and you still have double the yards.

1:31:31

So forty Niners outplayed him scoreboards

1:31:33

that Otherwise, the fact is lion is

1:31:35

pick them is to sign the market knows

1:31:38

that. I like the forty nine. Actually

1:31:40

are r J Bell joining us on the Doug Gotlip

1:31:42

Show here on Fox Sports Radio.

1:31:45

Be interesting to see how Patrick Peterson reacts

1:31:47

after first asking to be traded and then kind

1:31:49

of backtracking saying he's all in on

1:31:52

fixing things. A Seattle travels

1:31:54

to Detroit and takes on the Lions. Here,

1:31:56

here's two teams that have kind of been all over the map, right.

1:31:59

The Lions have win over the Dolphins

1:32:01

last week on the road, win over the

1:32:03

Patriots and Packers at home. Those are uh

1:32:06

at least two playoff teams. But yet they've lost

1:32:08

to the Niners. That was first game this season, lost

1:32:10

the Cowboys by two. They've been competitive in

1:32:13

every game. The taking on a Seattle team again

1:32:15

also kind of surprising. Could have beaten the Rams

1:32:17

a couple of weeks ago, did beat the Raiders badly,

1:32:20

um and and beat the same Cowboys

1:32:22

who beat the Lions. It's a Seahawks

1:32:25

are three point dogs on the road in Detroit.

1:32:28

How does Seattle playing that? Don't? I

1:32:31

like Seattle here? And this is a classic

1:32:33

and it's my favorite handicap? Is

1:32:35

that matchup handicap. I've been in Vegas

1:32:38

for twenty years in counting now,

1:32:41

and I talked to many of

1:32:44

the best batters in the world, and

1:32:46

very few of them are matchup guys. You

1:32:48

know a guy like a great Costell that will say, oh, look

1:32:51

they're pressing at the corner. That's gonna

1:32:53

be a problem against this type of receiver. You

1:32:55

don't hear that, which makes me think

1:32:58

that's where there's some value because marketplace,

1:33:01

the batters aren't thinking about it that way.

1:33:03

And in this case, it's a simple access

1:33:05

and nose handicap. Seattle changed

1:33:08

their mentality about running the ball, and

1:33:10

since they did, that's become the focus.

1:33:13

They're running the ball as well as any team in the NFL,

1:33:15

or least as much, if not more. On

1:33:18

the other hand, opponent's yards

1:33:20

per rush five point three

1:33:23

for the Lions worse than the NFL. So just

1:33:25

simple handicap. You've

1:33:27

got a team that really wants to run the ball against

1:33:30

a team that can't stop the run. If

1:33:32

I'm getting three, that means these are supposed to be even

1:33:35

teams. I'll take Seattle. Something

1:33:37

happened with Baltimore that has never happen

1:33:39

before, Justin Ducker msson extra point and they

1:33:41

lose a game that should have gone to overtime. They travel

1:33:43

on the road, take on the Carolina Panthers, who

1:33:45

after losing to Wash didn't turn around the road

1:33:48

and beat Philadelphia. Make heads or tails of the Panthers

1:33:50

for me as home dogs. So let me

1:33:52

tell you quickly, there's a contest here in Vegas.

1:33:55

It's called the Super Contest. There's version

1:33:58

and a five thousand dollar version win to take

1:34:00

all. We entered the five thousand dollar version.

1:34:03

We were two games out of first place. Last

1:34:05

week went three one in one. Now

1:34:07

we're one and a half games out. But our

1:34:10

loser was the Ravens. So

1:34:12

you want to talk about the agony and ecstasy a betting.

1:34:14

Now, I will say that we

1:34:17

did have the Giants, so we got lucky there on Monday,

1:34:19

So it happens. I think that game

1:34:22

is very telling about this line.

1:34:24

There's a sense of, oh, the Ravens are

1:34:26

gonna bounce back, and that was

1:34:28

a coin flip game that they lost. But

1:34:31

boy, who do the Ravens play next week?

1:34:33

The Pittsburgh Steelers. So if there's

1:34:35

ever sort of a sandwich spot

1:34:38

where you have an NFC game, you just lost

1:34:41

a tough game, and now you've got Pittsburgh

1:34:43

next week, and you got the Panthers. I get

1:34:45

it. They were lucky to beat the Eagles. But

1:34:47

let's do the old six point home

1:34:49

field flip. Ravens favored by

1:34:51

two. As you said, Doug, if this game we're

1:34:53

in Baltimore, the Ravens will

1:34:56

be favored by eight. Does that sound

1:34:58

right to you? No, I wan't to be favored by I guess

1:35:00

three is is a neutral site. Six? Yeah,

1:35:03

No, that that seems like too much, And to me that's

1:35:05

a sign. This is an example where I

1:35:08

get that the Caroline has been kind of lucky

1:35:10

this year in Vegas. Is not high on them. I

1:35:12

just think this is an overreaction. I'm

1:35:14

taking the two at home with

1:35:16

the Panthers. People are bailing

1:35:18

on the Jacksonville Jaguars left and right.

1:35:21

Teams seemed to quit defensively after the

1:35:23

offense wasn't holding up their end of the

1:35:25

bargain. Philadelphia comes in playing

1:35:27

better football, we thought, but then they lose to the

1:35:29

Carolina Panthers at home and get Carolina.

1:35:32

I guess it's the same question. There are three

1:35:34

point favorites at home, they'll be nine point

1:35:36

on the roads, they'll be nine point favorites, nine

1:35:38

point favorites if it is at home. Remember

1:35:41

this was the tricky one. This is in London, this game, as

1:35:43

you remember, so, I'm

1:35:45

saying this is pretty much even. You could

1:35:47

actually meaning the home field, but you could

1:35:49

give Jacksonville a point because they do play

1:35:52

this trip every year, and that is an advantage.

1:35:54

So it's saying that the Eagles are about

1:35:56

three and a half points better than the

1:35:59

Jacks, which I think is true. I like

1:36:01

the Eagles. Listen, by definition,

1:36:04

expectation is the spread. That's

1:36:06

what's supposed to happen Jacksonville.

1:36:08

The last three games have fallen short

1:36:10

of expectation net sixty

1:36:13

six points. How in the heck can

1:36:16

you fall short of expectation sixty

1:36:18

six points? I mean, so it

1:36:20

really is a situation where you could say, oh,

1:36:23

they're gonna bounce back maybe, or

1:36:25

maybe there's some problem in that locker room

1:36:27

we have no idea about. And we started seeing

1:36:29

a little bit of that where when

1:36:31

you have teammates saying,

1:36:34

oh, sit down the starter we went

1:36:36

Kessler to quarterback, you know you're

1:36:39

in trouble. I think, and listen.

1:36:41

Let me speak from experience. My dad was

1:36:43

a coal miner. He's retired. I

1:36:45

had one sister. I have one sister. Drove across country

1:36:48

as a kid in the eighties. You know,

1:36:50

when there's arguments in the family, but

1:36:52

you're in the back seat of the station wagon for

1:36:54

about ten hours, what happens those arguments

1:36:56

get more intense. I think this is the worst

1:36:59

time Jacksonville to take a stressful

1:37:01

trap. I like the Eagles, and we'll see

1:37:03

who gets back on the plane. You can't put him on the Greyhound to

1:37:05

bring him back. Maybe on a boat to bring back from

1:37:07

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1:37:21

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1:37:24

you all right. Coming up next, Troy

1:37:26

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1:37:28

So we'll talk to him about Deshaun Watson. Can

1:37:31

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1:37:34

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1:37:36

thus far in his career. Plus we're gonna ask

1:37:38

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1:38:11

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Series. Last two nights, latch World Series. Tonight you get

1:38:15

to watch Thursday

1:38:18

night football on Fox as the Miami Dolphins,

1:38:20

led by Brock Oswidler, takes

1:38:23

on the the Houston

1:38:25

Texans. Brock one his first game

1:38:27

against the Bears, lost at home to the

1:38:29

Lions, and ally travel on the road. Troy

1:38:32

Hickman, Hall of Famer from the Dallas Cowboys,

1:38:34

three time Super Bowl winning quarterback, joins us here

1:38:37

on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Troy, thanks so much for

1:38:39

taking time. Um. I

1:38:41

think Brock's gonna handle tonight going back to Houston,

1:38:44

a team that signed him as a free agent but

1:38:46

jettison to him after it clearly

1:38:48

didn't work. Yeah, I think he's

1:38:50

downplayed. You know what it means to

1:38:52

come back here to Houston and whatever the relationship

1:38:55

was or wasn't with with him and Bill O'Brien.

1:38:57

But if you're any kind of competiti

1:39:00

it or as you well know, to come back here and and

1:39:02

where you you know, basically got jettisoned after

1:39:04

one season, you want to put on a

1:39:07

great performance. It's gonna be a challenge

1:39:09

for him. They're they're pretty beat up the wide receiver

1:39:11

position after last week's game

1:39:13

against the Lions, and then they're facing a defense

1:39:15

that has played exceptionally well. I

1:39:17

don't think the numbers really tell the whole story

1:39:20

about about that defense and and how they're

1:39:22

gonna handle you know, Jadeveon

1:39:24

Clowney and and J J. Watts, anybody's

1:39:26

guests. Nobody really has been able to do that. So this

1:39:29

will be, uh, this will be a real challenge, not only for brock

1:39:31

Osweld they're coming and play well, but for the entire

1:39:34

Dolphins team, no question. Now, they

1:39:36

do have one guy you can count on. That's Frank Gore. Who didn't

1:39:38

you guys come out of school the same year. If it feels

1:39:40

that way, doesn't it. Yeah,

1:39:43

we've been He's pretty remarkable, you

1:39:45

know. I mean when you look at what he's been able

1:39:47

to do at his age and and I you

1:39:50

know, and getting ready for this game and studying him.

1:39:53

Uh, he looks like the same guy to me. I'm

1:39:55

sure he doesn't, you know, run quite as well. And

1:39:57

you know, for those that don't really

1:39:59

know a lot about Frank Gorea's career, essentially

1:40:02

most people thought it was over before it ever got started.

1:40:04

Uh, blowing out you know, both a cls

1:40:07

in college and he's been Uh

1:40:09

he's been a fun guy to watch for a lot of years. How

1:40:12

is that possible? I guess here, here's here's a question.

1:40:15

Um, he's never been the best

1:40:17

running back in the league. He's probably never been

1:40:19

the second or even third best

1:40:21

running back in the league. But I think he's got by

1:40:23

Mike eight thousand yards seasons.

1:40:26

Um, just kind of the picture of consistency.

1:40:29

Is that worthy of getting into the Hall of Fame?

1:40:33

Well, he's certainly in the argument. I

1:40:35

think someone could could make a case for

1:40:37

why he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. And and

1:40:39

then when you look at his numbers, Uh, granted

1:40:42

he's played a long time, but when you look at his numbers relative

1:40:44

to a lot of running backs that are in the Hall of Fame, Uh,

1:40:47

it stands the reason that he has a good chance to get

1:40:49

in. And I think probably the most

1:40:52

remarkable thing to me for a guy

1:40:54

who's taken the punishment that he takes

1:40:56

and at his age, he has not missed

1:40:59

a game, uh since two thousand

1:41:01

eleven. It's unbelievable.

1:41:04

Yeah, I mean he's been durable and an elite where

1:41:06

you know, guys get injured all the time. He's

1:41:09

been there. He's I loved him when he was in San Francisco,

1:41:11

and I like him now that he's in Miami as well. All

1:41:14

Right, here's a hard question to ask, but you're the

1:41:16

perfect guy to ask. You run

1:41:18

great teams, you went to the you're in

1:41:20

the Hall of Fame, six time Pro bowler, super

1:41:22

m v P. Right, but when people look

1:41:25

at your stats and then they look at you

1:41:27

know, Pat Mahomesteads are like, well, this guy's

1:41:29

But the sport has changed so dramatically

1:41:32

right the between and not just a quarterback.

1:41:35

Everything you can block further down the line

1:41:37

of scrimmage, uh than you used to

1:41:39

be able to pick plays. They almost never call a

1:41:41

pick play, um, you know,

1:41:44

in a game, and then you can't touch wide receivers

1:41:47

and so it's been more plays, more

1:41:49

yards. So how should what's the proper

1:41:51

way for us the fan when you watch a quarterback,

1:41:53

it's totally different. But for us the fan, we're

1:41:56

so trained to look at that box score. We see three hundred

1:41:58

yards and and we're like, oh, he had a good game.

1:42:00

How do we know if a guy had a good game. Well,

1:42:03

I think that I think's the eyeball

1:42:05

test. I don't think it's a matter of seeing,

1:42:08

uh, seeing numbers and all that, um,

1:42:10

as far as you know what's going on when

1:42:13

you go back afterwards you look at a box score

1:42:15

and say, well, this guy. I think you can watch a game

1:42:17

and know whether a guy's playing well. I I think

1:42:19

the argument that that you know,

1:42:22

well, hey, this guy should be awarded

1:42:25

this because look at his numbers compared to

1:42:27

someone else's. I I've never thought that

1:42:29

that really meant much of anything.

1:42:32

It's just not the way the game's played. And so

1:42:34

I think when you look back at the seventies with Roger

1:42:36

Stabak, when he left the game, he was the

1:42:39

number one rated quarterback

1:42:41

of all time, and it was in the

1:42:44

it was in the low eighties, and and now

1:42:46

if you're not in the mid nineties, you're you're

1:42:48

essentially not playing the position

1:42:51

very effectively, and so a lot

1:42:53

has changed. I think it's been exciting this year,

1:42:55

especially with with the emphasis on

1:42:58

you know, illegal contact and things like it. Down

1:43:00

the field, scoring is up. I think that's what fans

1:43:02

want, at least that's what they they claim

1:43:04

to want, and that's what the studies

1:43:07

suggest, and that's why the league has had some of the rules

1:43:09

that they've had. But I think that most

1:43:12

fans, if not all fans, can can watch

1:43:14

a game and watch a quarterback