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Welcome to the Dead

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Life. Here's world-renowned medium,

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Allison Dubois. What do we

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have going on for you at

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the Dead Life today? Well, we

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have a very special guest today.

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Some of you might know her

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from the very popular podcast, Crime

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Junkie AF, the one-and-only Ashley Flowers.

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Hello! I also have your

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favorite astrologer, Tom McMullen, here

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to weigh in on this

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episode. Ashley and I were

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talking about past lives recently

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and astrological readings. She had

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never had her chart read. So

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I introduced Ashley Flowers to Tom

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McMullen to see what Tom would

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uncover in a crime junkie's birth

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chart. So buckle up for what

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will prove to be an eye-opening

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Tom gets so upset with me, so

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mad at me when I ask him

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to do that. But I think

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it's interesting to be able

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to take a chart and

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see if you can recognize

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deviance in a chart and how

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much of it is will, free

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will, and learned and how much of

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it is a preconditioned

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energy that we came in

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with. So that's why I had him

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run the charts. I wanted to

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know. What would they have looked

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like had they done something like

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ignoring their instinct

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to hunt? What would their life

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had looked like then? Have you

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ever done a really interesting

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one that you were like oh? would have

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been so different? Well, I would say,

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Ted Bundy. Ted Bundy, yeah, Ted Bundy

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was, I get the sense that when someone

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comes in with really, they come in

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a victim of very horrible things in

2:11

their past. There's two choices, one that

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can overcome them and become a, you

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know, a proponent for others who have

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gone through that, or they stay the

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victim and they want to, you know, get somebody

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back for it, you know, that's like

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ingrained in them to repeat it. So most

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of them have mommy issues like severe.

2:28

Yeah. So I don't like doing

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this actually because it takes I

2:32

go into their energy and I

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don't like going into that space

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and absent fathers. I can't stay

2:39

objective in my readings. I

2:41

completely become in that person's

2:43

energy. Me too. So I know. I mean,

2:45

that's what we do. That's what we do.

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So because people go, how do you do

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that? I go, I just do. Why? That's

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what I do. That's what I do.

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I'm not a typical astrologer that's trying

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to analyze your chart, predict your future,

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even with the things going on right now.

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The changes that are going on and gave

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you the concept of what's going on and

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where it is in your career, and now

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you decide, you're in charge of your destiny,

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but what you know now about your past

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helps you make these decisions going forward, right?

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Does she not have like water in her chart?

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One element. That's it. Your water is

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super low, you do not know how to flow.

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She doesn't blow. You're super tense.

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Yeah, she's tense. She's not blowing.

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Do you gravitate to water signs? I'm

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just curious. Not in her house. No,

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no. Usually what you lack is what

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you'll start surrounding yourself with as energies

3:33

because you draw from their energy. Like

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I don't know signs well enough to

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know. Okay, I guess I have to

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go back to your office. Okay, but

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the thing we're weakened in elements

3:44

is the thing we're personally working

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on in this lifetime. And so I'm

3:49

in your case, I laugh because you

3:51

pick the areas as a husband who's

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going to push your buttons. You see,

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so because he just does what he does

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and you're like, you know, you hold it.

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So you want to hold it and

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I don't want you to, but if

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you pick someone that's going to push

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you, like we were talking about how

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competitive you are, he's in Aries. He's

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going to push. Because I said she

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has to win, she's a Sagittarian. And

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she says, you know, if I know

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I'm not going to win, I won't

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even play. I just, you know, I

4:21

have to win. And I go, yeah.

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So that's where, you know, you can

4:26

really get intense with an Ais. Watch

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them on the dance floor. Hilarious. Oh

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yeah, no, they're going to be very

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good looking. Hilarious, you guys were so

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fun. So, but you know, in her,

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in her career she got Pluto moving

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into her house a career. That's a

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huge shift in her life at 36

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years old. It happened starting about a

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year, year, year and a half ago.

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So she's going through the big transformation.

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So giving her that information and what

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she's been going through already and how

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she is with her husband and how

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they do this together is spread austere

4:59

and ginger Rogers is sort of like,

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you know, a helpful way of knowing

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where you are right now and you're

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right. Ren and Stimpy. She's like I

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like the prettier depiction thing ever. Because

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you're a good look at what your

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husband looks like but it's what's better

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you're good looking at what your husband

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looks like but it's what's better you're

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good looking. Of course you didn't actually

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think Ashley would settle for less did

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you know? Taurus is a beauty snobs

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like Lieber's and Ari so yeah so

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you have love that you said that

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about him I'll let him know. Yeah.

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Well Arias in Lieber beauty snobs a

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beauty snobs They're not really, they're not

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concerned what other people think in their

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beauty. They just exude earthly elegance, earthly

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energy, and you very fit the profile

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of a double torus, right, as I'm

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looking at you, because you're soft, you're

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curvy, your features are very beautiful, big

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eyes. This is very typical of a

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torus. She's very sad looking, too, though.

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She looks like she could have been

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a runner or an athlete. And that's

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such a sagitarious trait with the legs.

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Yeah, do you have strong legs? Oh

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yeah, I got fixed. Like it's like

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we... always say that it's like me

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and my mom it's like the flowers

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tree or whatever the apple doesn't fall

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far from the tree yeah well again

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Taurus is a thick energy it's a

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solid energy that's why you have what

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12 elements in earth it's most of

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your energy so your body carries that

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and then the Sagittarians are about hips

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and ankles so that's what you have

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to watch for because they are athletes

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and you know a lot of tennis

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players a lot of runners a lot

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of people that are They're like, they're,

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and a lot, I might, they laugh

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because a lot of girls that have

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thick thighs or Sagittarius, because it's the,

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it's the, it's the horse, it's the

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horse part of the body, which is

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the lower half, yeah. Isn't it funny

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how science has found? They have physical

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attributes to them, I think is so

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interesting. So much sense, because I might

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have told you this, Allison, I used

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to when I worked it. at the

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hospital out in Arizona. I worked in

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orthopedics for a while and just from

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like being in there for a couple

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of years and like I would like

7:09

room the patients but like I knew

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what they were there for and I

7:13

had to look at their birthday every

7:15

single time and I would start clustering

7:17

the people like what they were there

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for by what month they were born

7:22

in. And everyone's like, I don't think

7:24

you can, I don't think that means

7:26

anything. And I was like, I don't

7:28

know, man, everyone from October has like

7:31

knee issues or whatever it was. So

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it's like, it's so wild that that's

7:35

like, actually came from somewhere and I

7:37

wasn't just like making shit up. It's

7:39

a thing. It's a thing. I noticed

7:42

that too with signs, I know you

7:44

must as well, where you see certain

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signs exhibit particular characteristics and it just

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is what it is. I had a

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guy look at me look at me

7:53

once. as ever Martinez and it was

7:55

dish nation he worked for dish nation

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and he goes guess what I am

7:59

like I feel like doing that when

8:01

I'm not having a martini with my

8:04

girlfriend Tara Hitchcock but cool so I

8:06

look at him and I said your

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eyes are close together and your nose

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is pointy so I guess you're aries

8:12

and he looked at me and he

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goes, oh my God, I am Aries.

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And then I looked at him and

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I said, is that your real nose?

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And he was like, you bitch. I

8:23

was like. Yeah, Aries, Aries, Aries is

8:26

coming about their image anyway, their actual,

8:28

especially men in their face and their,

8:30

well, hair is Leo, but nonetheless, they're

8:32

image conscious. It's because it is the

8:34

me, how I look and how I

8:37

look and how I am in public.

8:39

And so. I did a reading for

8:41

quintessential Aries who just was every physical

8:43

part of him. It was Robert Downey

8:45

Jr. and he is everything you just

8:48

described in his face. His little BD

8:50

eyes close together, very sharp thing. He's

8:52

short and he's just like a mosquito

8:54

on crack. That man's energy just goes

8:56

and goes and goes. You know, so

8:59

it was like his energy was so

9:01

hyped because he was narrow. Because he

9:03

was narrow. Because he was so hyped.

9:05

She grounded him. She married him. She

9:07

married her nurse time, which is like

9:09

Allison saying, you need some water in

9:12

your life. You need some water. I'll

9:14

send Sophia over. I have no earth.

9:16

No, I have no earth in my

9:18

charge. Zero. And I was adopted to

9:20

begin with. So that my foundation, and

9:23

then I was adopted, parents really weren't

9:25

there. So you know. He's looking for

9:27

roots. In other words. And I used

9:29

to move every four or five years,

9:31

which is constantly moving from one thing

9:34

to another. One thing to another. So

9:36

my energy is I'll fire an air.

9:38

So people without Earth in their chart

9:40

would be looking for roots? Yes, they

9:42

just like Joe's all air. He's looking

9:45

for roots and found a moon in

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Taurus. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So what is

9:49

you? What was your takeaway after the

9:51

reading? What was what really stood out

9:53

for you? I'm curious. I mean, I

9:56

got obviously super latched on to this

9:58

motherfucker who left me. like it sounds

10:00

bananas or maybe not to you guys

10:02

but I was like I was I

10:04

like just was so mad for like

10:07

three days and I felt like but

10:09

I felt like I could put my

10:11

anger like to something. I came out

10:13

the guy from the past life. Yeah.

10:15

Well, he's dead now, so like we're

10:18

good. Yeah. Have you had girlfriends cheated

10:20

on them and left them and have

10:22

any kind of reaction to it? No.

10:24

I haven't yet. Okay. She's still young.

10:26

Give her time. Oh, I know. Yeah.

10:29

Yeah. Yeah. Did you tell? We still

10:31

got time. Did you tell your husband,

10:33

don't you ever leave me? I'll kill

10:35

you. Yeah. I was like, I came

10:37

home and told him like everything. And

10:40

it's just like, again, it's more of

10:42

like, and you said it in the

10:44

call, like this isn't anything new, but

10:46

it's a lot of like validating stuff.

10:48

Yeah. Because I even told my husband,

10:51

right. Right. Like we are in a

10:53

really good place because we've got like

10:55

a financial advisory firm that like helps

10:57

manage it. We've all these people like

10:59

watching our money and like with us

11:02

and multiple checkpoints and whatever. But even

11:04

with all of that I would always

11:06

make this joke that like would get

11:08

on my husband's nerves like anytime he

11:10

would have me like sign a paper

11:13

or whatever. I'm like you're not trying

11:15

to like take everything and like leave

11:17

me and run off. And he's like.

11:19

He's like, this joke isn't funny after

11:21

13 years. We've been together 13 years.

11:24

And I was like, yeah, whatever, I

11:26

don't know. And when I was younger,

11:28

like my mom always thought it was

11:30

so interesting because I would talk about

11:32

it was so interesting because I would

11:35

talk about my mom always thought it

11:37

was so interesting because I would talk

11:39

about my mom always thought it was

11:41

so interesting because I would talk about

11:43

my mom always thought it was so

11:46

interesting. It was so interesting. And I'm

11:48

perfectly happy. So it was it was

11:50

it was I felt like it just

11:52

explained a lot of like the weird

11:54

quirks I had or jokes I made

11:57

for no reason. It was it was

11:59

I think it's important to anyone out

12:01

there that is not sure why they

12:03

are the way they are maybe as

12:05

a little kid even felt super misunderstood

12:08

or born into the wrong family or

12:10

like you were a grumpy old lady

12:12

but you were five but you could

12:14

see it in the photographs but you

12:16

looked like you'd been here before. I

12:19

highly recommend a reading with Tom because

12:21

if It really does help to hear

12:23

your story. You mentioned so many things

12:25

in the reading with me, and you

12:27

did the reading 20 years ago. But

12:30

you mentioned so many things that told

12:32

me that I was OK, that I

12:34

was exactly the energy I was born

12:36

to be, and the fact that people

12:38

didn't understand it was their problem. And

12:41

so hearing the reading and feeling understood.

12:43

on that soul level is just so

12:45

valuable and it helps you to move

12:47

forward saying, I'm exactly where I'm supposed

12:49

to be, I'm gonna keep being me,

12:52

I'm not changing for anyone. It makes

12:54

you stop questioning that little voice in

12:56

your head that asks, is it me?

12:58

Is it me? Yeah, and it's like,

13:00

no, it's there for a reason and

13:03

it's to teach you something and you're

13:05

supposed to get better and learn from

13:07

it. And I mean, Tom's it on

13:09

the call. He's like, it's like 20

13:11

years of therapy and like an hour.

13:14

And that's really like what it feels

13:16

like. That's why I record it. It's

13:18

a lot. No one can take notes.

13:20

Yeah. And I. even I like I

13:22

just going back even the second time

13:25

listening I was just like there was

13:27

just so much there and I will

13:29

tell you the more you listen to

13:31

clear it gets you're like oh there

13:33

it is again there it is again

13:36

yeah that's I'm seeing the pattern I'm

13:38

seeing the pattern once you've had your

13:40

birth chart looked at do Would she

13:42

get like a follow-up reading in a

13:44

year that's a projection of the year

13:47

and what to expect in that year?

13:49

Because they're not, because I tell them

13:51

like what she's going on right now

13:53

with the business and other things, and

13:55

she's working on her independence right now

13:58

because Uranus moved into her first house.

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So these are the things she'll be

14:02

aware of and so after a year,

14:04

how it applies where things are still

14:06

are still moving and how you can

14:09

still move through your life, it's like

14:11

a life path. This is the basis

14:13

of the permit itself, but then where

14:15

are you in it? What have you

14:17

learned from it? How have you changed

14:20

based on that information? And so people

14:22

do get back to me. Sometimes once

14:24

a year, sometimes they're in it, they

14:26

don't need any more information. It's like

14:28

I got this going now, I know

14:31

where it's like you said. It's like

14:33

I finally figured I'm okay. you know,

14:35

I was validated and I'm just gonna

14:37

be me. Yeah, but then they forget

14:39

it, a lot of them, and then

14:42

they go right back into, you know,

14:44

doing it again, and then they go,

14:46

oh, I read the recording five years

14:48

later, and it's like, yeah, I'm still

14:50

doing that. I'm like, okay, well, you

14:53

know, you didn't do anything with it.

14:55

It's sort of like you telling us

14:57

what our tool that you were born

14:59

with. to create whatever vision you have

15:01

for your life to manifest that life

15:04

with those tools. Right, there's no judgment

15:06

to any reading, because I always say

15:08

in the beginning, I'm no judge of

15:10

this character. You're the judge, you're the

15:12

one making the decisions going through the

15:15

story, and you're writing your book every

15:17

day. You're changing pages and a little

15:19

bit. Yeah, well, that's what that was

15:21

different when I'm doing a reading for

15:23

somebody. I don't do that. I'm kidding.

15:26

But is there like a, in your

15:28

experience, like a, how many times do

15:30

people come back and try and fix?

15:32

Is there like, in your belief, is

15:34

there an ultimate goal we're trying to

15:37

get to or are we just like

15:39

in this endless cycle or is he

15:41

doing? cycles of life, I think she's

15:43

asking about. I mean, the thing is,

15:45

is that people thinking we're going to

15:48

get this done and be done and

15:50

be done. We're never done because nothing

15:52

ends. There's no finite in the universe.

15:54

Everything's an infinite. So we're constantly on

15:56

a journey. Let me ask you about

15:59

that then, because I thought at 29

16:01

degrees, you get a piece out of

16:03

the lifetimes, because I'm 29 degrees man

16:05

and tourist, I'm not coming back, remember?

16:07

Doesn't mean you're not coming back here,

16:10

because you may not come here, but

16:12

you'll go somewhere else. Okay, but if

16:14

I'm at the party up there, that's

16:16

cool. I just don't want to do

16:18

this thing again. Well, then you're not

16:21

having a good time. No, I feel

16:23

like I've completed everything that I've ever

16:25

been here before before. Well, you became

16:27

here to be a conduit to the

16:29

two sides. So, you know, once you

16:32

back, the other side, you'll want to,

16:34

there'll be something beyond the other side

16:36

now. Yeah, okay. Maybe I get to

16:38

become an angel. Okay. Well, you already,

16:40

part of your work here already, so.

16:43

Maybe I get elevated to angel status.

16:45

I have no problem coming back because

16:47

I think how we leave is how

16:49

we come back and I really like

16:51

who I like what I do when

16:54

my, when my soul, the service I've

16:56

chosen to do. It's a calling more

16:58

in a career and I enjoy all

17:00

of it and I did graduate from

17:02

the school but I don't care what

17:05

other people think so I'm in charge

17:07

of my life so if I come

17:09

back I just want to do more

17:11

of this in whatever form format it

17:13

takes. You see that's true service. I

17:16

just watched a documentary on children with

17:18

past lives and let me just say

17:20

this I saw a pattern of them

17:22

coming back to do things that they

17:24

hadn't gotten to do in a past

17:27

life. Either they didn't have the relationship

17:29

that they truly craved. They came back

17:31

to fall in love, which women always

17:33

assume it's their path and it's not

17:35

all women's path. And I say that

17:38

to all the young women out there.

17:40

Some of you are here to find

17:42

your career and to hold your power.

17:44

That doesn't mean to repel men with

17:46

your strength. There's a balance to be

17:49

struck here. And I think women... Hopefully

17:51

you're figuring that out now because a

17:53

lot of women are coming back for

17:55

career stuff I've noticed or to close

17:57

a loop somehow of something they didn't

18:00

get in a past life. They didn't

18:02

get to have children or they had

18:04

a child and it died. So they

18:06

came back in this lifetime and they

18:08

get a raise their child until the

18:11

natural death of themselves, the mother and

18:13

that feels bad. Like it heals something

18:15

in them. So to me, I've seen

18:17

a pattern. and we come back until

18:19

our life is fulfilled on all levels.

18:22

in that we've done everything that our

18:24

soul felt it needed to do. Right.

18:26

But see, if we're not living through

18:28

our soul and we're just living through

18:30

our personality, then the world runs us.

18:33

We don't run it. Kim Kardashian. Just

18:35

kidding. Yeah. So when you're doing us.

18:37

I don't care. I'm not coming back.

18:39

Whatever. But doing so work is the

18:41

point of going, when I say to

18:44

women, what do you want? They go,

18:46

what do you mean, what do I

18:48

want? You know, because they're to serve

18:50

everyone. Well, you came in to serve

18:52

others in like the upside down pyramid

18:55

where I'm here to serve everyone, where

18:57

I'm here to serve everyone, where I'm

18:59

here to serve everyone over me. But

19:01

there is no balance in terms. of

19:03

your personality and your nature is not

19:06

going to change. Your nature is going

19:08

to be what it is, but it's

19:10

in terms of service on your terms,

19:12

not ours. The personality is looking for

19:14

outside of itself to tell us, what

19:17

do you want me to be for

19:19

you for you? And you're like, no,

19:21

it's my turn to tell you what

19:23

I'm going to tell you what I'm

19:25

going to do for you and you're

19:28

like, you married the love of your

19:30

life, you know, we have yet to

19:32

see the rest of your life unfold,

19:34

of people who you resonate with. I

19:36

find that important. It's confirming in that

19:39

what we're doing matters because it resonates

19:41

with other people. It makes a difference

19:43

in lives. I just, I think you

19:45

might end with a very fulfilling life.

19:47

I feel very fulfilled in my life.

19:50

I wouldn't want different children or a

19:52

different husband or a different career. And

19:54

so I'm looking forward to hunting people

19:56

and being on the other side and

19:58

doing the fun stuff. Oh my God.

20:01

So can you tell my list? about

20:03

your show because I know a lot

20:05

of my listeners are very much into

20:07

true crime. True crime. Yes. Yeah. So,

20:09

um, the company I run is audio

20:12

check. We've got a network of podcast,

20:14

but the two shows that I host

20:16

weekly are crime junkie, which I do

20:18

with my best friend, who we have

20:20

the exact same birthday, just different times.

20:23

Wow. And her and I host and

20:25

we have a whole team now of

20:27

reporters. So we're like going out and

20:29

finding cases that a lot of people

20:31

aren't reporting on, getting really deep. And

20:34

then I also host a show called

20:36

The Deck which is based off of

20:38

there's they would make decks of playing

20:40

cards where every card would have a

20:42

different case on it that's unsolved and

20:45

they would pass them out in prisons

20:47

trying to get. people to talk about

20:49

them get into the right hands of

20:51

someone who knows something and so every

20:53

week we cover we do original reporting

20:56

and cover a case on the deck

20:58

as well. So those are the two

21:00

shows I host weekly but we've got

21:02

a whole slate of shows investigative shows

21:04

weekly shows I wrote one book I'm

21:07

writing my second but that's just a

21:09

fiction novel. Oh good people here is

21:11

my first one and then my second

21:13

one was called The Missing Half. and

21:15

it's just it's it's gets to be

21:18

all the mystery with like the lowest

21:20

possible stakes because it's not real and

21:22

it's very fun. I'm so glad you're

21:24

doing that because that's the creative side

21:26

I want you to you get the

21:29

water from because that's where you get

21:31

the water from is the creative side

21:33

of the water yeah oh yeah that

21:35

means you can't analyze it because I

21:37

told you this I said when you're

21:40

doing something creative it comes from the

21:42

intuitive you feel it and you see

21:44

it and you see it and you

21:46

see it and you see it and

21:48

You get to take that on a

21:51

journey with you through the character. Yeah.

21:53

Is there a case? It was interesting

21:55

when you said that because, oh, go

21:57

ahead. I was going to say is,

21:59

go ahead and answer his question, then

22:02

I'll ask you because I don't want

22:04

to ruin your train of thought. Well,

22:06

no, I was going to, I was

22:08

going to say when you talk about

22:10

even writing, but even in. the cases

22:13

that we do, the episodes that I

22:15

write of, True Crime, I'm having such

22:17

a hard time because we're trying to

22:19

train up all these, we've got a

22:21

whole team of reporters and writers and

22:24

they're trying to get closer and closer

22:26

to how I write. And I still,

22:28

you told me I was like, I'll

22:30

edit things to death. I'm still like

22:32

edit the scripts to death. And I'm

22:35

trying to tell, you know, they want

22:37

to do all these workshops, like how

22:39

do you actually, like, how do you

22:41

write the story, what's the story, what's

22:43

the structure, what's the structure, how do

22:46

you decide, how do you decide, I

22:48

can't put it to words because truly,

22:50

like, once I have consumed everything and

22:52

answered all the questions in my brain,

22:54

like, I know, I just know how

22:57

it's supposed to come out. And I

22:59

don't know, I don't know how to

23:01

explain that to anyone. Intuition is knowing

23:03

without knowing how you know, that's the

23:05

definition. Yeah. So I have a couple

23:08

of just small questions. One, when you

23:10

look at a murder, do you ever

23:12

have DNA tests run on Jane Doe?

23:14

from that county that they disappeared in

23:16

over the years because often they're in

23:18

a drawer at the coroner's office or

23:21

you know I want to this this

23:23

is like the frustrating part is like

23:25

so we'll make suggestions as we like

23:27

work with especially when we have the

23:29

connection we work with law enforcement but

23:32

like That's the frustrating part of about

23:34

being the position we're in is we

23:36

can we can draw a lot of

23:38

attention I've got I've got a team

23:40

that can like work on a case

23:43

for a year and it's the only

23:45

thing that they think about whereas a

23:47

detective is working on 20 cases or

23:49

whatever right and so we'll see the

23:51

things but we can't actually do anything

23:54

we like we don't have the investigative

23:56

power to make any of it happen.

23:58

I think I think the Jane Doe

24:00

project and you'd have to you know

24:02

check this out but I think they

24:05

do. People can pay and they will

24:07

run really they'll have the DNA run

24:09

on the bones of a particular person

24:11

found in a particular week on in

24:13

an area at that time so you

24:16

might reach out to Jane Doe project

24:18

because I had wanted to work with

24:20

them at one point but they're afraid

24:22

of what I do so I was

24:24

like I'd love to help you fundraise

24:27

for this project but I'm a medium

24:29

so I have barriers you don't have

24:31

so maybe that will work for you

24:33

but I just I just thought that

24:35

that makes a lot of sense there's

24:38

a lot of bones and a lot

24:40

of DNA that was collected on people

24:42

who were unidentified remains that could break

24:44

cases that have just been sitting in

24:46

drawers catalogued in the police department or

24:49

wherever they're held for decades. And we've

24:51

done we've done some work with the

24:53

DNA Doe project who works with law

24:55

enforcement, but you have to get like

24:57

law enforcement on board to like submit

25:00

it to them. And usually that's not

25:02

like trying to connect it, connect anything.

25:04

That's just we don't we don't have

25:06

known who this person is for like

25:08

30 years. But I'll definitely check this

25:11

one. I think the Jane Doe project

25:13

might be able to help you get

25:15

through some of that red tape. That

25:17

would be really, really cool. And last

25:19

question, is there a case that haunts

25:22

you? There's so many cases that haunt

25:24

me. Everyone asks if I have like

25:26

one, and I don't, but I also

25:28

have this like weird ability to. Like

25:30

I can catalog if you talk to

25:33

me about any case I've ever covered

25:35

I know every detail like it's not

25:37

lost to me I know the names

25:39

I know the places I know like

25:41

more than anything else and so like

25:44

there I don't think there's like one

25:46

that looms over me I mean I

25:48

think I'm in every like there will

25:50

be like two or three cases that

25:52

throughout the year I'm like deep investigating

25:55

not just doing like a week episode.

25:57

out of nowhere that I did three

25:59

years ago. I always had a propensity

26:01

to save children. It was the children's

26:03

case. that I was the most drawn

26:06

to. I'm so drawn to children's cases

26:08

and people like, people don't want to

26:10

listen to children's cases, but I'm like,

26:12

all the more reason I'm going to

26:14

make you. Well, it's weird because it's

26:17

too real for people to listen to

26:19

those cases, yet it's easier for us

26:21

to be silent and watch them be

26:23

sacrificed. I don't understand that. But it's

26:25

like, to me, it's like the stuff

26:28

that you hear in the cases like,

26:30

it's like, like. I always thought, you

26:32

know, I always thought they were horrible

26:34

and I get it. I would, people

26:36

would be like, well, once you have

26:39

kids, it's worse. And I'm like, it's

26:41

so much worse because you picture your

26:43

kid. Yeah. But I'm like, if you

26:45

don't talk about what happened and all

26:47

the stuff that led up to it

26:50

and that like, how does anything ever

26:52

become different? If people don't get out

26:54

again. Until it gets to that point,

26:56

you're going to keep getting the repeat

26:58

offenders out there committing these crimes. It's

27:01

really sad. It's preventable. But one of

27:03

the cases that I'm like really deep

27:05

into right now is actually one of

27:07

the ones. We'll do our mystery weekend.

27:09

I want to have you look at

27:12

because it's in Washington. Okay. And it's

27:14

unsolved. We've been working on it for

27:16

a while and it's a very very

27:18

strange one. I don't want to tell

27:20

you to. Washington's had a lot of

27:23

killers. Washington and California have a it's

27:25

it's their justice system they've got a

27:27

revolving door. It's a real easy answer

27:29

that's why California I believe I was

27:31

blaming the wood and the weather. The

27:34

statistic in California back when I was

27:36

living there several years many years ago

27:38

actually it was you serve a fifth

27:40

of your sentence and most cases go

27:42

cold within 72 hours in California. So

27:45

they just get put on shelves. So

27:47

California, if you're going to murder someone,

27:49

that's the place to do it. They

27:51

don't have the resources for the cops

27:53

and you know, killers know these things.

27:56

This isn't a platform. Everyone does now.

27:58

They already know. They know. Do you

28:00

know how much jail mail I got

28:02

when medium was held? I mean, a

28:04

lot. Oh yeah, a lot. It's all

28:07

stamped from jail. Jail mail. She's a

28:09

tough ride. Well, I am. I am.

28:11

Well, where can people find your podcast

28:13

crime? Is it crime junkie or crime

28:15

junkie AF? Both so crime junkie A.F.

28:18

is episodes I'll do on crime junkies.

28:20

So crime junkie A.F I'll interview people

28:22

who have worked in the space or

28:24

on a specific project things that I'm

28:26

just really interested in that aren't necessarily

28:29

in case like John Oh, not a

28:31

case like like well, yeah, but it

28:33

could be related or could be like

28:35

someone like you who's like worked in

28:37

the system and I've interviewed like people

28:40

who have like really cool jobs so

28:42

crime junkie app is really like my

28:44

like curiosity little subset of crime junkie

28:46

when it's like it's not one specific

28:48

case we're talking about but I'm like

28:51

dying to talk about the information yeah

28:53

that it was just kind of a

28:55

different format and then crime junkie is

28:57

where every single Monday we're there with

28:59

a new episode and you can find

29:02

it wherever you get your podcast I

29:04

love that and I wanted to thank

29:06

you for this water This open water

29:08

because I had it in your green

29:10

room when I was in Indianapolis and

29:13

I was like that is the most

29:15

delicious water I've ever had. I know

29:17

when you checked me I was like

29:19

I don't even have anyone for a

29:21

water brand but like I'm still in

29:24

but I love it. You know I

29:26

was like microplastics blah blah all that

29:28

now I've got aluminum I'm like great

29:30

problem solved so. Thank you for that

29:32

as well. So open water, send crime

29:35

junkie and the dead like more water

29:37

please. We're thirsty folks. So big thank

29:39

you to Ashley Flowers and Astrologer Tom

29:41

McMullen for joining me today. You can

29:43

also find you on Instagram. Mm-hmm.

29:46

Ashley Flowers. Okay, Nice and

29:48

easy. Easy to

29:50

follow. Okay. And Tom at Tom McMullen.com

29:52

to .com to book so

29:54

thank Tom, so thank

29:57

you, Tom McMullen. Always, Allison. And

29:59

thank you to my listeners. thank

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