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so used to something for almost eight

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I'm doing something else. Yeah and people

1:00

just think like oh he's fast he's

1:02

athletic I'm like bro I don't play

1:04

anything like that anymore and I'm still

1:06

fast I'm still athletic I still athletic

1:09

like and I'm still fast I'm still

1:11

athletic I still athletic like I still

1:13

got it I still got that don't

1:15

think I'm still athletic I still got

1:17

it no no no he might be

1:19

might be like I mean

1:22

I don't

1:27

know what

1:31

to say.

1:35

We are

1:38

here. With

1:41

the very special guess, we're here in Texas and

1:43

San Antonio, talking to the newest San Antonio spur, the

1:45

Aaron Fox, how you doing man? I'm good man, I

1:47

appreciate y'all having me. Of course, man, I appreciate you

1:49

coming through. Has it been back in Texas? I know

1:51

you played here in high school, was there anything you're

1:53

looking forward to you coming back? Oh, being able to

1:56

get Waderberg whenever I want. I was

1:58

going to ask that person. One, and

2:00

being around pop of those. to but

2:02

then just like living like you don't

2:04

I don't know I wouldn't have asked

2:06

where y'all were from but being we're

2:08

from Texas oh y'all everybody for a

2:10

million okay so being here like everything's

2:12

off the freeway yeah like you get

2:14

off a freeway there's like you get

2:17

off a freeway there's a billion things

2:19

to eat there's a billion stores in

2:21

California when you get off the there's

2:23

nothing off the freeway you got to

2:25

like basically drive into a community every

2:27

time you want to a community every

2:29

time you want to a community every

2:31

time you want to a community every

2:33

time you want to a Obviously breakfast

2:36

we get in a honey butter chicken

2:38

biscuit. Naturally, easy. Easy. What I do

2:40

is I'll do the honey barbecue chicken

2:42

shrimp sandwich, but if I don't want

2:44

honey barbecue, you can substitute for honey

2:46

butter sauce. Ooh. I thought you said

2:48

buffalo. The buffalo is good too. No,

2:50

no, no. There's a bond over here.

2:52

I'll substitute it for honey butter. So,

2:55

we're my parents. So I grew up

2:57

in Katie. In Kay, it's like I

2:59

ride outside of Houston. There's a Buckeys

3:01

like literally 10 minutes from where my

3:03

parents live. So you can just go

3:05

to Buckeys just cuz. Yeah. I pull

3:07

pork sandwich is special. I know every

3:09

time I tell people that aren't from

3:11

Texas, I get a pull pork sandwich

3:14

from a gas station. They're like, are

3:16

you fucking nuts? I mean, yes, a

3:18

gas station, but this is a super

3:20

gas station. This ain't no regular gas

3:22

station. Yeah, if you're like, like, like,

3:24

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

3:26

like, like, like, like, like, like, It's

3:28

been, I think it's more accustomed to,

3:30

like, playing with a new team, playing

3:33

with new guys. I think that was

3:35

the biggest thing for me. Outside of

3:37

that, like, coming to San Antonio, like,

3:39

I visited San Antonio because my wife's

3:41

parents still lived here. So, and then,

3:43

like, I mean, I'm in, like, my

3:45

house is in Houston in the off

3:47

season. So, I'm always coming back to

3:49

Texas regardless, but I think the biggest

3:52

shift was, one, the Spurs got a

3:54

new practice got a think last year,

3:56

maybe two years, maybe two years ago.

3:58

But the addresses are like the same.

4:00

It's like one word that's different from

4:02

the address. So for me, I'm going to

4:04

a new spot that I've never been to.

4:06

I end up going to the wrong practice.

4:08

So do my first practice. But it's. That's

4:11

probably the biggest adjustment. Like I was so

4:13

used to something for almost eight years. Like

4:15

almost eight years. I've been parking in the

4:17

same place for almost eight years and I'm

4:19

doing something else. Like that was like, that

4:21

was like shocking to me. Yeah, got a

4:23

lot of questions to do with that for

4:25

sure. Just I guess before we even get

4:27

to that, like one of the most interesting

4:29

things I think about for the past couple

4:31

years with you is how much your game has

4:33

changed over the past few years.

4:36

pure athleticism, downhill driver, that's your

4:38

whole game. You really developed a

4:40

lot in recent years, more jumpshot

4:42

focus, really getting a three level score.

4:44

How is it felt doing that? And

4:46

I really, what's different about the league now

4:49

from when you came into league to

4:51

now that kind of necessitates that? Yeah,

4:53

it was crazy. I appreciate that. Because I

4:55

feel like a lot of people still

4:57

be like, y'all when he loses athleticism,

4:59

what's he gonna do? I'm like, bro, bro,

5:01

my game is so jumps out jumps

5:03

out. I don't play anything like that

5:05

anymore. I just like, yeah, that means

5:07

you don't watch. But yeah, I mean,

5:09

for me, I've always wanted to

5:12

play in the sleep for a long

5:14

time. Like, like I say, bro, I'm

5:16

year eight. And I'm still fast. I'm

5:18

still athletic. Like, I still got that.

5:20

Don't think I don't think I ain't

5:22

got that now. But like to have that

5:24

type of longevity, I feel like you have to

5:26

be a better, develop your skill you have to

5:28

be able to shoot the ball and that's what

5:31

I've always tried to focus on and what I

5:33

always tell people with the way that I'm changing

5:35

my game like how many super athletic point guards

5:37

have you seen that won a championship and like

5:39

that's that's ultimately what I want to get to

5:41

and your your point guard has to be able

5:43

to shoot the ball if you want to be

5:45

able to win at a high level and that's

5:47

kind of the the thing that really made me

5:49

start to change my game now. I was still like

5:52

top five or type six and drives six and

5:54

drives this year. So it's not like I'm just

5:56

not driving the law, but I definitely

5:58

have put a hyper focus on. being

6:00

a better, being a better shot creator

6:02

and a better jump shooter. How do

6:05

you draw that balance? Because you know,

6:07

I feel like, obviously, like you said,

6:09

you want to diversify the shot profile,

6:11

I don't want to go away from

6:14

something that, you know, two years ago,

6:16

20-23, you shot like 77% of the

6:18

RAM, something just ridiculous. Yeah, but even

6:21

that, even that year, I think I

6:23

had like one of the highest feel-go

6:26

percentage in the mid range as

6:28

well, so like, like, fine tune that. I mean

6:30

it's how the game's going, how are you

6:32

shooting the ball? You know, is my team

6:34

struggling to get to the paint? It's, it's,

6:37

it's, it's always varies. Like it's not, it's

6:39

not always going to be the same every

6:41

game. And so like throughout the year, like

6:43

obviously, you know, you played basically the whole

6:46

year with a messed up finger. I mean,

6:48

you recently, you recently just got surgery on

6:50

that. on on your shot playing through that

6:52

the whole year does that affect like your

6:55

day to day like your just actual shot

6:57

does your shot mechanics have to change how

6:59

did that really affect you yeah I try

7:01

not to change too much because like

7:04

like you know I'm shooting like the same way

7:06

I have for for years now but it was

7:08

just being able to control the ball was

7:10

just so hard rather if it was dribbling

7:12

or rather was dribbling or shooting and like

7:14

if I didn't take my fingers together like

7:16

my finger literally sat like that. Wow. So

7:18

I've worked out I had worked out with

7:20

it like that before and when you throw

7:22

me the ball the first thing you're hitting

7:24

is my finger is a front of my

7:26

finger so that's why I had to that's

7:29

why I had to tape it like that.

7:31

But I don't know I mean I think

7:33

I still had a decent ear like yeah.

7:35

I played a lot better than a lot

7:37

of other people. I mean, I was like,

7:40

do I think I was really good this

7:42

year? No, but like I said, I think

7:44

I played a lot better than a lot

7:46

of people and I'm playing with, I was

7:49

playing with four fingers on my shooting hand,

7:51

but I'm ready for this to get as

7:53

straight as possible and be ready for next

7:56

year. Yeah, I mean, look, the day before

7:58

it was announced, you dropped 30. and

8:00

49 back-to-back days. 109 points in the

8:02

game. Yeah, so like I was, and

8:04

it's funny, so today when I was

8:06

leaving, I saw pop, Tim and T.P.

8:09

And I had showed him, I showed

8:11

him picture that I just showed yaw.

8:13

And they looked at me, it was

8:15

like, yo, how long have you been

8:18

playing like that this year? And Tony

8:20

looked at me like, like, what the

8:22

hell? Hey, hey, it is what it

8:24

is. I played through an injury, like.

8:26

Now if I can't walk or something,

8:29

I won't play, but with something like

8:31

that, like if I can get out

8:33

there and I feel like for a

8:35

majority of the season, I still was

8:37

able to affect the game. So I

8:40

felt like I was good enough to

8:42

play. See, he mentioned showing me a

8:44

photo, people at home didn't see it.

8:46

He said, want to see a picture?

8:48

Immediate, yes. Of course. And somebody asked

8:51

that immediate, yeah. And that was actually

8:53

from today. Oh, wow, that was fresh.

8:55

That's it under that bandage? Oh, I

8:57

thought it was weeks ago. No, so

9:00

I got the stitches out Friday. And

9:02

then I had some like tape over

9:04

it. Like there's a splint under this.

9:06

So we had to take that off

9:08

clean and do some stuff. And that's

9:11

what it looked like today. Yeah, how

9:13

did that initially happen? Uh, training camp,

9:15

second day of training camp, uh, scallobissier

9:17

had the ball. And I'm kind of

9:19

my guys cutting back. And I have

9:22

the film but like you can't see

9:24

my finger and the camera's like there

9:26

and you see me turn and I

9:28

just do that Pop it back and

9:30

six kept going. That's like some movie

9:33

shit like we have some dirt on

9:35

it So when I when I did

9:37

it like it didn't hurt too bad

9:39

and I'm like oh like I'm fine

9:42

like I just kept going I wake

9:44

up the next morning my It literally,

9:46

my pinky looked like my thumb. That's

9:48

it. Got two thumbs, you're a monster.

9:50

It was swollen, it was bent. I

9:53

missed one game for it, but it

9:55

was the last pre-season game. Yeah. But

9:57

every regular season game, I was out

9:59

there. was crazy as when I got

10:01

surgery doctor was like the

10:04

doctor was like he's like that's

10:06

the toughest finger that I've

10:08

ever done really because like it

10:10

started healing and like all this

10:13

tissue down here was healing under

10:15

and it's supposed to hill over your

10:17

joy so he's like he'll over your

10:19

joy so he's like he had to

10:22

pull it and he was like he's

10:24

like I wish I recorded it

10:26

he was like I wish I

10:28

recorded it But as long as it's not in the way

10:30

I'm good. You said let the record show I drop 100

10:32

points in one day. So the worst pinky in NBA history.

10:34

It was crazy when he told me that I was like,

10:36

you know what? I'm glad you said that because now I

10:38

felt like I wasn't exaggerating. I feel like I feel like

10:40

I wasn't exaggerating. I feel I feel I feel I feel

10:42

it made me feel good about it. You know, we mentioned

10:44

you're obviously known as the fastest point guard in the NBAia

10:46

having your own. I have in your whole career. I have

10:48

been your whole career. I have been on a little game. I

10:50

want to play. I want to play a little game. I want to

10:53

play. I want to play. I want to play. I want to play. I

10:55

want to play. I want to play. Point guard I

10:57

still think is me. Okay fair enough.

10:59

It's easy. Who we'd argue? Like I

11:01

hit jogs I like no people I

11:03

brought even sprint like I like I'd be

11:06

so I got I got a layup with

11:08

like I think it was like 3.2 on

11:10

the clock and Keldon every day. He's like

11:12

y'all I'm fashioning you. So I did that

11:15

I said Keldon. I want you to know

11:17

I didn't even run. He'll ask us to

11:19

say he's fast. Well on TV he looks

11:21

at a linebacker I can't imagine. Y'all would

11:24

see why he thinks that. Something's wrong with

11:26

him. Two guard, Donovan Mitchell or Zach Levine?

11:28

Oh that's a good answer. One of those

11:30

two. Three. Who were counting is like three's

11:33

though. I wasn't to say I had my

11:35

mind a men Thompson for counting him as a

11:37

three. I think he plays a four technically

11:39

but he's a three you know. It's okay. It's

11:41

weird. I'm thinking of just like just like

11:43

guards and then for three and four just

11:45

like wings. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. We'll go wings.

11:47

Yeah. I would say a men Thompson. A

11:49

men is ridiculous. Just quick twitch like first

11:51

step is insane. I think he's more athletic

11:53

than his brother. Now I think there I

11:55

think he's up there too, but I think he's the

11:58

demon versus demon right there. No. It's O.

12:00

I've seen some people say he might

12:02

be like one of the best athletes

12:04

NBA has ever seen and people don't

12:06

really realize. He definitely is right. No,

12:08

no, no, no. He might be. I

12:11

don't want to say too much, but

12:13

I agree. He might be the best.

12:15

What makes you give him the crown

12:17

for the best? Have you all seen

12:19

him? Oh, I mean, and then you

12:22

got to go with those two and

12:24

then like Zion. Yeah, it's the honest

12:26

count the strides are so big that

12:28

he moves. I don't think I don't

12:30

think Janus is that fast I do

12:33

think he rides give him that but

12:35

I don't think he's Zion's fast. I

12:37

thought it was his quickness not necessarily

12:39

like no both like top in speed

12:41

to wow both of them I think

12:43

and Zion be running like he'll be

12:46

running like he's running that now he'd

12:48

be moving and then center and then

12:50

center center's hard. Yeah like who would

12:52

you? Lowy Alex SARS is fast. He

12:54

is mobile for his center. I mean

12:57

I think he's really a four, but

12:59

he's playing the five there, yeah. You

13:01

know before the injury is Ben Simmons.

13:03

Yeah. He's definitely, definitely, definitely. Yeah, I

13:05

guess he's playing center now these days,

13:08

but yeah. I guess we can go,

13:10

I guess we can go Alexei. Yeah,

13:12

yeah. Are you ready? Are you racing

13:14

guys? Like at the at the facility?

13:16

Did you try you? No, I'm not

13:19

racing nobody. No, people, Blake and KJ,

13:21

they both swear they're fast to me.

13:23

Like, until y'all start getting to the

13:25

basket like me, I ain't, I worry

13:27

about getting to the basket like me.

13:30

I ain't, I worry about it. And

13:32

I'd be like, would you pick me

13:34

up full court if this does no?

13:36

I've done, I've never done anything for

13:38

it. And I will never run track.

13:41

Yeah, like absolutely not. Wow. It'd be

13:43

cold out there. It's tight. I'm like,

13:45

I'm not doing it. Getting back to

13:47

the whole point, you know, we talked

13:49

about you changing your game over time.

13:52

How do you, how do you envision

13:54

that changing again now that you're playing

13:56

in San Antonio? You know, obviously, big

13:58

change for your career, but especially. who

14:00

you're playing with. You haven't really played

14:03

with a true rent protector or in

14:05

my opinion you haven't really played a

14:07

true stretch big, a true lob threat. Now

14:09

you have potentially the best of all time

14:11

at all three of those things in one

14:14

person. How do you think that's gonna like

14:16

change your style of play naturally playing

14:18

off him? I mean for me like

14:20

I feel like I'll go a little

14:22

more into a facilitating role but I

14:24

think the big thing for me is how

14:26

well can I think that I think it was

14:28

last year I think I was shooting or

14:30

the past couple years I've been like hovering

14:33

around 40% catching shoot three so I'm like

14:35

if I but I was I think last

14:37

year when I shot I was shooting like

14:39

seven threes a game but I was shooting

14:41

like one and a half catching shooting majority

14:43

of them were off the dribble so just

14:46

being able to do that at a high

14:48

clip I feel like opens up the game

14:50

even more for us because I always tell

14:52

those guys I'm like bro even if I

14:54

could be o for 12. When guys drive

14:56

like my guy just doesn't help that much.

14:58

So I've always told guys like drive my

15:01

way You'll be good. There won't be a lot

15:03

of help So if I feel like if I'm shooting

15:05

the ball at a higher clip Then I feel like

15:07

it opens up the floor and then even with

15:09

that like when I have the ball it makes

15:11

you to take one step further and allows me

15:13

to get downhill and just be able

15:16

to create for myself or create for

15:18

other people. When did you have that

15:20

like realization like, oh my God, there's

15:22

more space on the floor and everyone's

15:24

life is easier when I show this

15:26

capability to do it. So was it

15:28

like your second or third year or

15:30

what? I would say, I would say

15:32

my second year, like the game really

15:34

started slowing down for me. But then I

15:36

would say, probably my fourth year. I was

15:38

like, yeah, it's the game's gotten a lot

15:40

easier. I feel like I kind of figured

15:42

it out. And then at that time, I

15:44

was shooting a ball a lot better as

15:46

well. So definitely at that time, I figured

15:48

out that I don't have to shoot me. And

15:50

for me, I don't even have to shoot 40%

15:53

like you can be around league average and it

15:55

makes someone step up and it makes a

15:57

game that much easier for me. Yeah, I

15:59

feel is also. about like how quick your

16:01

trigger is and how much they have to

16:03

respect you in that way, more than just

16:06

the percentages. But you know, you didn't

16:08

play a ton with Victor before the injury.

16:10

Did you already like day one feel the

16:12

impact of that spacing and how wide open

16:14

the paint was? Oh, 1, 1, 1, 1,

16:16

and 1, feel the impact of that spacing and

16:18

how wide open the paint was? Oh, 1,

16:21

1, 1000% first game. And what's funny, he

16:23

never played with a guard with a guard

16:25

with a guard with a guard with a

16:27

guard like me, like me, like me, He

16:29

gets filed against Atlanta and

16:31

Mike one of our coaches comes up to

16:33

me or we're talking after the game He's

16:35

like I don't think you know this but

16:38

like Vix never had it to where he

16:40

set a screen and both guys went with

16:42

the ball with the guy with the ball

16:44

Yeah, because he slipped the screen because

16:46

he came up and he slipped the screen

16:49

and both guys He slipped the screen and

16:51

both guys came to me and I'm like

16:53

well, it's never been too many times where

16:55

I've come off a ball screen and what

16:58

this could be And I hit him, he

17:00

gets fouled, he gets the game winning free

17:02

throws. And it was like, from that moment,

17:04

I was like, yeah, we can be, like,

17:06

we can be really good. Especially as a

17:08

duo, but as a team. is I think

17:10

someone like cat obviously gets the label like

17:12

great shooting big of all time earned that

17:14

over course of his career whereas when be

17:16

still adjusting so you know the percentage took

17:19

some time to get going but the way

17:21

I feel like teams have to close out

17:23

to him because his height like I feel

17:25

like the spacing he provides on a pop

17:27

is like bar none the greatest ever oh yeah

17:29

I mean when he pops he'll pop like four

17:31

things like four things like and then even if

17:34

you do close out close the space one he

17:36

can still shoot shoot you over you over you

17:38

and When I first got here, we were on

17:40

the middle, we were in the middle of the

17:42

rodeo road trip, so not many practices. And then

17:45

the one, we've done two, I think, two fully

17:47

live practices where we scrimmage, but he had his

17:49

blood class situation, so he wasn't, he wasn't practicing,

17:51

so no, I haven't seen anything in practice just

17:54

yet. Just wait, just wait, he's coming, yeah, he's

17:56

definitely coming for sure. I saw it like,

17:58

like, obviously the oncore fit. something like you've never

18:00

seen, he's never seen, it's going to be great to see. The general,

18:02

I want to hear about the PLV from your career standpoint, because you

18:04

know you're drafted to the Kings, losing team that you're really

18:07

the first step of the rebuild, you're the first guy, the first

18:09

pillar of that rebuild, you're the first guy, the first pillar

18:11

of that foundation being built, everything kind of the first guy,

18:13

the first pillar of that foundation being built, everything, the first

18:15

pillar of that foundation being competitive, the first pillar of that, the

18:17

first pillar of that, the first pillar of that, the first pillar of that, the

18:19

first pillar of that, the first pillar of that, the first pillar of that,

18:21

the first pillar of that, the first pillar of that, the first pillar of

18:23

that, the first pillar of that, first pillar of that, first pillar of that,

18:25

first pillar of that, the first pillar of that, first pillar of that,

18:27

first pillar of that, first pillar of that, first pillar

18:30

of that, the, I mean, one, it feels good knowing

18:32

that obviously other teams want you. And they see you

18:34

as a key piece also to what they're trying

18:36

to build. So that definitely makes

18:38

you feel good as a player. But for

18:40

me, obviously, I feel like I want

18:42

to continue to get better and actually

18:44

prove them right. But when I first

18:46

got here, man. Mitch told me he's

18:48

like, you know, don't fit in. He

18:50

wants me to be myself. And I

18:52

tried to as much as I could,

18:54

like with my whole hand situation, but,

18:57

and also just learning, you know, an

18:59

entirely new team. But I feel like

19:01

we have a lot of guys that are

19:03

ready to take that next step. And

19:05

a lot of these guys are still

19:07

on their first contract. So like it's,

19:10

it's crazy, crazy being one of the

19:12

vets on a team. You feel like onk? Yeah,

19:14

aren't you like the third one spare

19:16

on the team? No, I'm on the fourth.

19:18

I feel like I saw the realization. I

19:21

feel like I saw the realization. I'm fifth.

19:23

I'm fifth. Because we got C.P.H.B. Biz. Jordan

19:25

McLaughlin's a year old. Oh, okay. There you

19:27

go. The look, the look he just gave

19:30

was like, yeah, I'm a mom. Trustee. It's

19:32

coming. Yeah. With Step, with Step is the

19:34

worst. Oh really? Yeah, he's just turned 20.

19:37

Yeah. And like you'll be talking about a

19:39

guy and he has no idea who it

19:41

is. I'm like, oh my God. Like who?

19:43

Like we, so we were doing, we do,

19:46

so we do trivia before every game.

19:48

Oh wow. And we were going through

19:50

guys with five by fives. Okay. And

19:52

I said, I said Jamal Tinsley

19:54

because it was a guy that

19:56

played for Indiana play for Indiana.

19:58

I play for Indiana. I think it

20:00

was Jamal Tinsley actually who had

20:03

the five by five. And he's like, who's

20:05

that? Yeah, you're putting me all right

20:07

now. Cause who is that? How do you? I'm

20:09

like Jamal Tinsley? He has, he has,

20:11

he, mind you, he has moments like

20:14

this a lot where like, we'll be,

20:16

we'll be talking about, like, maybe, like,

20:18

maybe about a month ago. You just

20:20

don't know you've seen him. Yes. You've

20:22

seen him. What's like Ravage like

20:25

Ravage. No. No. No. No. No. You're looking

20:27

to mess with me. Maybe, no. Because I

20:29

got it because we had the year. And

20:31

then they were giving us hints and they're

20:33

like, uh, played in the East, big gar,

20:35

blah, blah. Yeah. And I started naming people

20:37

off in. got the one and I got

20:39

to them. So, yeah, so you mentioned step

20:41

there. You also know you're the fifth oldest

20:43

in your team apparently. So I guess you're

20:45

not on. Apparently, damn. I just didn't know

20:47

the list. You know, so it sounds like

20:49

you're like the older brother of the team,

20:51

you know, essentially, definitely. Definitely, definitely. You're like,

20:53

the older brother of the team, you know,

20:55

essentially. Yeah, definitely. Definitely, definitely. You're like, the older

20:57

brother of the team, you know, you know, you know, you know, you

20:59

know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know,

21:01

you know, you know, you know, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

21:03

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

21:05

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

21:07

like, like, like, like What have you learned from

21:10

like just like seeing that level of asshole

21:12

up front? Like you feel like when you

21:14

see it's every game. It's every second of

21:16

the game like he don't he don't let

21:18

up. Wow. But one I mean just what

21:21

he's done at six foot. Like he's been

21:23

in the league for 20 years like that's

21:25

that's crazy. That's me like that's not normal.

21:27

But you kind of just like the like

21:30

how competitive he is how savvy he is

21:32

like he's not as quick or as fast

21:34

or as athletic as he was but he

21:36

still puts his imprint on the game just

21:38

because he's able to think the game so

21:40

well and obviously his skill set

21:42

is obviously still there. But just being

21:44

able to watch that night in the night out

21:46

and go into practice and you know see what

21:48

he does with taking care of his body

21:51

and all of that like that's amazing to

21:53

see him for me like I play with

21:55

Vince Carter and his. 18th year I

21:57

think. Being able to be around guys

21:59

like that. like it's honestly crazy and I

22:01

feel like like my friends are like bro you

22:03

played it like one of my best friends like

22:05

he has a picture of me standing next

22:07

to Braun and I don't think of it

22:09

that way because I played against Braun for

22:11

eight years now yeah but he's like bro

22:14

my best friend was playing against LeBron James

22:16

like it's crazy you know I don't like

22:18

I never think about it that way because

22:20

I've always felt like I was I'm gonna

22:22

I'm in that conversation. Yeah, you're in the

22:24

world the same world as him Yeah, but

22:26

it's it's always it's always nuts And is

22:28

it different being on the same team is

22:30

that where the coolness factor comes in you're

22:32

like yeah Every day to day between games

22:34

you're talking like I'm seeing CP3 every day

22:36

I've never like I've never called I we

22:38

call them CP or sometimes we'll say Chris

22:40

but like yeah, that's that's nuts between

22:42

CP and bits Carter what have been like

22:45

the biggest biggest or most important

22:47

gems that they dropped on your head when

22:49

you I think a big thing is

22:51

just taking care of your body.

22:54

Like VC used to be on

22:56

a table all day. It's like,

22:58

bro, we didn't even, like, you

23:01

ain't do nothing in a week.

23:03

He's still, and he's still taking

23:05

his body. He's still doing it.

23:08

He's still doing it. He's still

23:10

doing it. He's still doing it.

23:12

He's still doing it. He's still

23:15

doing it. He's still doing it.

23:17

He's still doing it. whole career.

23:19

You've been playing against LeBron, planning

23:22

against Kevin Durant, playing at stuff.

23:24

You entered, basically the start of what people,

23:26

you know, the modern NBA post-2015 revolution,

23:28

you've guarded some of the most

23:30

talented offensive players the league's ever seen.

23:33

What do you think are the most unstoppable

23:35

moves in the NBA right now? Or NBA

23:37

history, either one. I don't know if Dame

23:39

is still doing it, but whenever he splits the

23:41

ball screen. Oh yeah. Before he gets to the screen?

23:43

I'm like what like you like no one does

23:46

that is the only person that does that and

23:48

he usually does it from like he'll be in

23:50

a standstill and his between the legs is

23:52

so explosive I think his was always that

23:54

one like he'll just because he'll just be

23:56

standing there and he'll go between and just

23:59

take off and He won't use the boss, like

24:01

the ballster, like you'll be setting the screen for him.

24:03

And instead of going around you and splitting the

24:05

big, he'll go between here. It's like, no,

24:07

his was definitely, his was definitely. Especially after

24:09

that Pelican series, after Drew Holiday and that

24:11

aggressive defense gave him trouble with the double

24:13

teams. He's gotten so much better fighting through

24:15

that now. You can't try them, he's just

24:18

gonna fight through it. Yeah, his is like,

24:20

no, I don't think I've ever seen I've

24:22

ever seen ever seen anyone. I've ever seen

24:24

anyone. do that yeah she's the same way

24:26

though you try to trap him he doesn't

24:28

run around it yeah he doesn't matter yeah

24:30

it's it's that that's that's that's the craziest

24:32

one and then obviously chasing stuff yeah like

24:34

there's no one who does what he

24:36

does and like the whole offense is

24:39

built around yeah if step gets the

24:41

ball where is stuff again yeah

24:43

how how frustrating is it to play

24:45

against him you feel like you played

24:47

great defense one to ten ten for

24:50

sure Yeah, like a little little easier. But

24:52

it really got, yeah. Yeah, if you're the

24:54

guy chasing him, bro, it's hell trying to

24:56

chase him around all that. You were drafted

24:58

at the peak of James Harden. Did you

25:01

ever guard him early in your career? Yeah,

25:03

I guarded James a bit. How was that? So

25:05

I was drafted, did Golden State one

25:07

at my year? Yes. And the year, my

25:09

second year, I think, is the year that all

25:11

the guys got hurt and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

25:13

yeah, yeah, yeah, James was OD. James was OD.

25:15

Did he give us 50? Wasn't like at this

25:18

age guarding him because you know he's older,

25:20

post hamstring doesn't have the same burst so

25:22

the game changed, a lot more jump shot

25:24

dependent, get into the free throw line. Do

25:26

you still feel though that craft is still

25:28

a nightmare? He's definitely still super crafty. I

25:30

mean James is still James, obviously we got

25:32

accustomed to watching a guy average 35 in

25:34

a season, like that's not normal. But I

25:36

mean he still is doing like 21, 22. 8

25:38

assists, 6 rebounds, like he's still very effective

25:41

in having that clippers team. Better than what

25:43

anybody think they were going to be before

25:45

Kauai came back. That just sounds so unnormal

25:47

and I think as time goes on, James

25:50

is going to be more appreciated. But within

25:52

that too, I have a question, what are

25:54

the most like underappreciated players in today's game?

25:56

I thought you're going to be like, who's

25:59

better de waiter? Let's have to come

26:01

vote. Very underappreciate it, guys. I

26:03

mean, I think James is definitely

26:05

going to be in that conversation.

26:07

I think right now, like, someone

26:09

like JT, Jason Tatum, yeah, like,

26:11

is, yeah. The disrespect on

26:13

Jason is crazy. Exactly. The fans

26:15

decided he's not like, he's not, he's

26:18

the fans decided, he's not like that,

26:20

he's like, the fourth or fifth best

26:22

player in the world, but I mean,

26:25

he's been first, he's been first, like,

26:27

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

26:29

like, like, like, like, Yeah, it's definitely

26:32

underappreciate it right now. I think like

26:34

someone like CJ McCollum because he hasn't,

26:36

he's never made an all-star game. But

26:38

he's averaged over 20 for like 10

26:40

seasons. Like, yeah. I think Dame will

26:42

get that as well. I think it's

26:45

definitely a few more guys in there.

26:47

But because guys, you know, haven't won

26:49

a championship or this or this or

26:51

that and that, like. It is

26:53

what it is especially this year. I feel like

26:55

people kind of because the bucks if it

26:57

isn't going super well with the star duo

26:59

People kind of assume Dame isn't still Dame

27:01

in those minutes where it's him and Janice

27:03

on the bench. He is playing Dame basketball.

27:05

Yeah, it's exactly the same thing we did

27:08

two years ago I mean, he still average

27:10

like 25 Yeah, and when Janice on the

27:12

bench. He's on a 30-point pace still he's

27:14

still Yeah, exactly who he was. But that's

27:16

NBA fans in general. And we got to

27:18

find something to complain about. Yeah, exactly. That

27:20

is what it is. In all sports. It's

27:22

funny, because like with, what's his name, Taylor,

27:24

Jink, because I just got fired. You

27:26

kind of look at it and people,

27:29

oh, well, he was this and this

27:31

and that and that. So bro, if you

27:33

go on any fan base, it's Twitter,

27:35

like. It is what they're gonna, like, they're gonna, no, no

27:37

coach is gonna be perfect. Well, a coach can win 10

27:39

titles in a row. You're gonna have 25% of the fan base

27:41

that wants to get, that wants him fired. And the best

27:44

part is, NBA fans don't know shit about NBA coaching. No,

27:46

there's like, there's offensive coordinators these days on the coaching staffs,

27:48

defense coordinators, people don't know what a coach actually does. Like,

27:50

like, it runs most of the stuff, like, like, it's so

27:52

much of it's like how much of it's like how they

27:54

handle a like how they handle a like how they handle

27:56

a like how they handle a like, how they handle a

27:58

like, how they handle a like, And how they handle

28:01

like rotations. Yeah, people just like assume

28:03

win game, good coach, lose game, bad

28:05

coach, play the player I like, good

28:08

coach, play the player, I don't like

28:10

bad coach. No, that's why you can't,

28:12

you can't argue with everybody. No, I

28:14

just don't, I know it. Our job

28:17

is to argue on the internet, our

28:19

common search. I used to argue with,

28:21

no, I just go right now.

28:23

Tiktawk. It's the parlays

28:25

isn't it? Yeah, but I would

28:28

say like but I feel like

28:30

even with parlays It's not usually

28:32

like a fan of your team

28:34

or like a fan of you.

28:37

It's random motherfuck is that?

28:39

Just trying to make a

28:41

quick run. Just trying to

28:43

make some money. Yeah, so

28:45

I don't even I don't

28:47

even say that's like they're

28:49

trying to make money. Yeah, something

28:51

annoying about fans I

28:54

think fans, like we said, think they know,

28:56

what they know about everything. Like, it's

28:58

not always cut and dry like that.

29:00

It's not always like the numbers or

29:02

whatever. So, something like that. There you

29:04

go, man. Lots of time I got with

29:07

you today. Appreciate you coming through. It was

29:09

a great conversation. It was

29:11

real fun. Hey man, man. Get you butt

29:13

your day again. Thank you for coming through.

29:15

I appreciate you guys, man. I enjoyed

29:17

it. I appreciate you, I appreciate you, man.

29:25

I mean either way

29:27

I don't know what

29:30

to say.