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a brave voice

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of reason, understanding

1:03

and truth. This

1:05

is the Denesha Sousa

1:08

podcast. W and I

1:10

here for our Friday

1:13

roundup and honey it

1:15

happens to coincide with

1:17

us now in our tenth

1:20

year of marriage. In fact

1:22

we did our... 9th anniversary

1:24

getaway. Although you reminded

1:26

me this was really

1:28

our 10th getaway because

1:30

we had our honeymoon.

1:32

So when you count starting

1:34

there... I said it was

1:36

our 10th honeymoon. And we

1:39

went to a new destination

1:41

which was in the Caribbean

1:43

Grand Cayman and we loved it.

1:45

Yeah, oh my gosh. I loved it.

1:47

I loved it. You're a tropical girl

1:50

you like. You like Hawaii. We have

1:52

a favorite place we go to in

1:54

Mexico. But I think in some ways

1:56

Grand came and took the cake as

1:59

we say. and it was I think

2:01

not one thing but it was really

2:03

a complex of factors so number one

2:06

you know if you're going from Texas

2:08

to Hawaii it's like nine hours because

2:10

you got to go to California you

2:12

fly another it's probably more like

2:15

11 hours okay so it's like going

2:17

to Europe yeah it is now our

2:19

Mexico spot is about two hours away

2:21

but 45-minute drive when you get there

2:23

and it's Mexico so it's a

2:26

little bit more complex to navigate

2:28

to navigate your way But Grand

2:30

Cayman is a British island. I

2:32

think one of the things you liked

2:34

about it is you like that very

2:37

British formality, right? Everything is kind of

2:39

done properly. And it's funny because you

2:41

see, you know, I don't mean this

2:44

in a bad way, but I mean,

2:46

you have all these Caribbean islands, right?

2:48

I mean, you have all these Caribbean

2:50

guys home on, you've got an amazing

2:53

ton and so on. But what I'm

2:55

getting at is these British guys. They

2:57

all speak with an English accent.

3:00

So it's it's it's it's almost

3:02

like a transplanted part of London

3:04

in a little bit a little

3:06

bit so it's the proximity Yeah,

3:08

the price the price. Oh, well

3:10

the proximity from the airport to the

3:13

hotel was great. It was like 10

3:15

minutes 15 minutes Max and then just

3:17

the cleanliness of the city because I've

3:20

been to Caribbean islands and I can

3:22

tell you most of them are kind

3:24

of dirty you know, the water's not

3:27

exactly clean. Well, the islands are, you

3:29

know, they're close to each other. So

3:31

people are motorboating here to there

3:33

and they're throwing stuff in the

3:36

water. Whereas Grand Cayman is kind

3:38

of... by itself. It's got that

3:40

seven mile beach, which is

3:42

fantastic. And it's also a

3:44

little unusual. Both of us,

3:46

we've got in the ocean more than

3:49

once. Well, I swore that I would

3:51

never get in the water in the

3:53

ocean ever again because of all

3:56

the shark, you know, attacks that

3:58

happened. Yeah. I was like. And then

4:00

of course Julian is like, make sure

4:02

that you don't step, that you kind

4:05

of shuffle because of the sting rays.

4:07

And I was like, oh my gosh.

4:09

But it just so happens that the

4:12

water is so clear. It's like a

4:14

swimming pool. You can see right through

4:16

to your feet. Very, very clear, very

4:19

clean, beautiful color, upper marine. Well, the

4:21

other thing I have to add, because

4:23

the two of us being foodies, is

4:26

really good food. Yes. And in fact,

4:28

we should recommend there is a famous

4:30

chef, Eric Rippert, and he's

4:32

got a Michelin-starred restaurant in

4:35

New York called Bernardin. It's

4:37

a seafood restaurant. but he

4:39

has a restaurant called Blue

4:41

in Grand Cayman and that

4:43

was kind of a very fitting

4:45

name because the water is blue.

4:48

That's probably where you

4:50

got the idea and that was kind

4:52

of the memorable last day that

4:54

we were there and we had

4:56

a great time. Yes and I have

4:58

to say I hadn't had sugar. in

5:01

over two years? Well when you get

5:03

a famous French chef doing dessert

5:05

it's a little hard to

5:07

say no. Yeah but the only

5:09

thing about that dessert was it

5:12

was very small. The portion was

5:14

quite small. And I couldn't say

5:16

no. I usually say no but...

5:19

I just couldn't. I was a

5:21

little surprised you didn't say, because

5:23

you have such iron will on these

5:25

things. But I was like the heck

5:28

with it. But notice, I mean,

5:30

when you go to France, you

5:32

just don't see a lot of

5:34

300 pounders. In fact, you don't

5:36

see any 200 pounders either, because

5:38

the French eat very rich food,

5:40

but they eat in small quantities,

5:42

and they walk a lot. We

5:44

walked a lot. Really before the

5:46

sun went out. Although it's so

5:48

warm there that I mean, I

5:50

think I got a couple of

5:52

shades of darker in just four

5:54

days. Yeah. And, but we've, it

5:56

definitely was a very memorable

5:58

and fun trip. Yeah, I

6:00

think so. It was one of

6:02

those trips that I just, I

6:05

want to do it again. I

6:07

want to do it again. And

6:09

I love, I love the tropics,

6:11

I love the weather. You know,

6:13

when we went to Punta Mita

6:16

in January, it was a little

6:18

chilly, even for me. It was

6:20

in the low 70s, but the

6:22

wind was very, very chilly

6:24

and, you know, a little. down

6:27

right cold I thought yeah I think most

6:29

people have a kind of a sweet

6:31

spot between about 68 and 72 if

6:33

you ask people what's the ideal

6:35

weather yeah basically say San Diego

6:37

weather but I remember when you would

6:40

visit me in San Diego when we

6:42

were courting You would say

6:44

it's I always hear you

6:46

say it's a little chilly.

6:49

It's too cold here. I

6:51

need to get my sweater

6:54

I need to get my

6:56

jacket. I always wear

6:58

a sweater in San

7:00

Diego. I never Didn't

7:02

go around with a

7:04

sweater. I always wear

7:06

a sweater. Yeah, so your

7:08

sweet spot is 78 to

7:10

about 95 Before 95, like

7:13

90 to 94, I'm still

7:15

okay. I'm not even sweating

7:17

at that point. And so

7:19

I actually like it. Now

7:21

the only problem is when

7:23

it gets that hot here,

7:25

where we live, is that

7:27

it usually brings on a

7:29

lot of rain. It does. It

7:32

produces a lot of rain and

7:34

it's very humid. And so it's

7:36

not so nice. But pure sunshine

7:38

at 94 and I'm fine. Yeah,

7:41

no, absolutely. Let's talk about, you

7:43

know, we often zoom into the

7:45

political topics of the day and

7:47

we'll do some of that today,

7:49

but we also wanted to talk

7:51

about a broader topic and that's

7:53

AI, artificial intelligence and and our

7:56

trigger for doing it is this

7:58

article in the New York Post.

8:00

There's a kind of a startling

8:02

headline. Bill Gates says AI

8:05

will replace. doctors, teachers

8:07

within 10 years and claims

8:09

humans won't be needed quote

8:11

for most things. And I

8:13

said, oh, that's Bill Gates dream

8:15

come true. He's been wanting to get

8:17

rid of people for a long time.

8:19

So you think this is like, this

8:22

is consistent with his

8:24

anti-human, eugenic? Yeah. Let's

8:26

reduce the population of

8:28

the world. I mean, this is, it

8:30

is admittedly the unifying theme

8:32

between Warren Buffett and Bill Gates.

8:35

I'd like these two guys and

8:37

they're quite different in

8:39

fact they're not even from the

8:41

same generation and yet they converge

8:43

on the issue that the earth has too many

8:45

people now I think it is

8:48

interesting that against this we have

8:50

Elon Musk who is constantly saying

8:52

He needs to populate. And

8:55

he's participating in a

8:57

big way. He is actively,

8:59

he is actively, he is

9:01

actively trying to repopulate

9:04

the earth, it seems. Single

9:06

handedly. That's right. Spreading his

9:09

genes at a level not

9:11

seen since Genghis Khan. Right?

9:14

All right. So let's talk

9:16

about gates here, because even

9:18

though I agree that this is

9:20

a strange... Man, I don't think

9:22

that he's wrong here. And what I

9:25

mean by that is, is I've only

9:27

gotten a glimpse of this

9:29

new AI. And by the way,

9:32

what I like on X is

9:34

they've got an artificial intelligence called

9:36

Groc, GR OK. You can download

9:39

it, and you can start using

9:41

it. And in fact, I see

9:43

a lot of people on on

9:46

X making the comment, we don't

9:48

have to use Google anymore. Think

9:50

how great this is. We definitely

9:52

want to, until now we've had

9:54

no alternative to Google. Let's Google

9:56

it. So when you're searching for

9:58

information, it's Google. But Grock

10:01

is better because not only does

10:03

it do the search that Google

10:05

does But it is almost like

10:07

Handing over the information to a

10:09

highly intelligent research assistant that will

10:11

analyze it for you They don't

10:13

just say hey, here's a website

10:16

or here's ten websites all ranked in

10:18

the order that we choose which is

10:20

Google rather Grock will give you a

10:22

almost like a little bit of a

10:24

legal summary a position paper on what

10:26

you said you can put a book

10:28

proposal in there and get a critique

10:31

it so this is AI and I

10:33

think yeah so I think AI is

10:35

is something very big it's it's

10:37

almost like in earlier decades

10:39

we had an age of

10:41

automation and that hasn't stopped

10:44

right we still see now

10:46

the new generation of automation

10:48

are these kind of life-size

10:50

robots. And these robots will,

10:52

they will cut crops. I

10:54

saw a short video of

10:56

a robot inside a BMW

10:59

plant and it was doing

11:01

a car assembly robot. Right?

11:03

So you've got automation

11:05

continues, but automation threatens

11:07

the people who work.

11:09

How would you feel

11:11

about automation, AI automation

11:14

on airplane? airplane parts

11:16

would would that make

11:18

you feel more confident

11:20

than the DEI is

11:22

making us feel? Although it

11:24

is to say I would say

11:27

yes yes because think of it

11:29

this way what are you more

11:31

confident in right now a pilot

11:34

and certainly with DEI in the

11:36

about a DEI pilot landing

11:38

a plane or the auto

11:40

pilot doing it? Well auto isn't

11:43

the auto pilot the same kind

11:45

of thing? The autopilot is the

11:47

same thing as... Oh, DEA-I pilot.

11:49

Oh, I'm sorry. A DEA-I-I- Let's

11:51

see, what did I- What was

11:53

on the, what was on the

11:55

flight test the other day? I

11:57

didn't remember it all that

11:59

well, you know. versus yeah

12:01

a mechanized robot computer

12:03

system which lands planes all the

12:06

time by the way and as far

12:08

as I know I mean think of

12:10

it this way how many shows have

12:12

we watched where something goes wrong by

12:15

pilot error a lot a lot a

12:17

lot and have you ever seen the

12:19

only time I've seen something involved the

12:22

autopilot error is when someone accidentally disengages

12:24

the autopilot right or the plane is

12:26

given a bad instruction and then follows

12:28

that instruction to the letter but the

12:31

instruction was bad. So the human input

12:33

even there is what caused the problem.

12:35

Now, I think what will startle

12:37

many people is the fact that

12:40

in a sense what we're getting

12:42

is automation in the mental sphere.

12:44

Because all the people who are

12:46

lawyers, doctors, all thought their jobs

12:49

were safe. Because they thought, listen.

12:51

Yeah, you can have a tractor, you

12:53

know, plow a field, but nobody

12:55

can replace a doctor. I still

12:57

don't think that you can have

12:59

an AI do an operation. I

13:01

still think that that requires a

13:03

human being and it always will.

13:06

It absolutely does not. How? I'm

13:08

not saying it doesn't require

13:10

any human eyes on it, but

13:12

a lot of times the human is

13:14

going to be, I mean, think of

13:16

it. On the operating room. Opening up

13:18

a person. Opening up a person.

13:20

Going in there and putting in whatever you

13:22

know stitching up the heart or well, maybe

13:24

so I'm not saying there's no human

13:26

component But I'm saying even now

13:29

think of it I had eye

13:31

surgery a few years ago. It

13:33

was laser surgery. Yes, but you

13:35

had a doctor doing it. I

13:37

had a doctor doing it, but

13:39

wouldn't it be funny if

13:41

a robot comes out? Hello,

13:43

Danesh! Right, it wasn't as

13:46

accurate. Right, so AI, it's

13:48

not a case where you swap

13:50

one for the other, right? Even

13:52

when you have a car that's

13:55

largely self-driving, we still sit in

13:57

the driver's seat. An Uber that showed

13:59

up. with no life person in it. In

14:01

fact, you don't even have a robot. The

14:03

car is self-driving. You just get in the

14:05

back seat and take you where you want

14:08

to go. Now, that's coming. Does that mean

14:10

we won't have to tip? It's

14:12

kind of strange to tip

14:14

the robot or my robot will

14:16

be sending would be tipping your

14:18

robot. No, because I've seen

14:21

people talking about a financial

14:23

world in which transactions are

14:25

done device to device. Oh

14:27

my goodness. So you can

14:29

actually have a device have

14:31

an account because it's sending money

14:34

digitally. So my robot can send

14:36

money to your robot. The whole

14:38

thing is kind of dizzying in

14:41

many ways. Now the question is,

14:43

is it bad? I mean, I think this is

14:45

really, it certainly gives you anxiety,

14:47

but that anxiety is, I think,

14:49

the normal reaction to something completely

14:51

new. I'm sure people had this

14:53

anxiety, in fact, I know they

14:55

did, when cars showed up on

14:58

the road. I'm sure that farmers

15:00

had this anxiety when you had

15:02

tractors. Right, or at least, right,

15:04

the kind of mechanized agriculture that

15:06

we have now. And so, and

15:08

yet, and here's where Bill Gates

15:10

is going, and this is the

15:12

part I think that's worth thinking

15:14

about. What happens if most, if

15:16

not all, not all, but most

15:18

of the jobs kind of go away?

15:21

Well, as we, you know, we discussed

15:23

this actually, and it would be a

15:25

world without having to work. And what

15:27

kind of world would that, I know,

15:30

I know there are some people that

15:32

would love that kind of world. Well,

15:34

you too. Genzies. Well, but I mean,

15:37

you joke, you say that I joke

15:39

about Genzies. I have a daughter that's

15:41

a Genzi. But you joke also about

15:43

being. of the philosophy that every day is

15:46

Friday. Yes. So in other words, women every

15:48

day is Friday point of view. Let's think

15:50

about that. But I don't act that way.

15:52

I just pretend that that is happening. You

15:54

don't act that way, but I work very

15:57

hard. Let's think it through because let's

15:59

ask this question. Isn't it a fact

16:01

that from the dawn of mankind,

16:03

most people who have worked have

16:05

done it out of necessity? In

16:07

other words, they didn't decide, work

16:10

is really fun. I'm going to

16:12

get up and I'm going to... Except

16:14

if you're Donald Trump. Except if

16:16

you're Trump, look, except if you're

16:18

Murdoch, except if you're Warren Buffett,

16:21

you say this is true of

16:23

me. Yeah, yeah. But, but there...

16:25

Look, why would a guy like

16:27

Murdoch who is like 88... It's

16:29

got to be that he enjoys

16:32

it. It's got to be that

16:34

he prefers doing it to anything

16:36

else. So there's a small number

16:38

of jobs, I admit mine

16:41

included, that offer a lot of

16:43

inherent satisfaction. But that's

16:45

not true of most jobs.

16:47

I think it's fair to

16:49

say. You walk into a

16:52

store and you have someone

16:54

behind the counter. Do they, are

16:56

they really enjoying being there? They might

16:58

enjoy, you know, chatting with people, but

17:01

they're, they're out of necessity. And the

17:03

proof of it is stop paying them

17:05

and see if they show up. They

17:08

won't show up. So it has to

17:10

be that if we can create a

17:12

system that produces a certain

17:14

degree of abundance, and I

17:17

agree that you're looking at. problems of

17:19

boredom, people will have to think

17:21

about what am I going to

17:23

do with my day. But I'm

17:25

just saying I'm rejecting the idea

17:27

that this is automatically

17:29

a bad thing. I'm simply

17:31

saying that human interests, human

17:33

needs, human desires, human wants

17:36

will migrate to something else.

17:38

So do you think college will

17:40

become null and void? I mean

17:43

will people stop needing to go

17:45

to college because there will be

17:47

no career? to have after college

17:50

and therefore college is no

17:52

longer needed? I think

17:54

that would be actually

17:56

in many ways a

17:58

good thing. Now to say

18:01

that what about learning because

18:03

right so those two things

18:05

should never be confused because

18:07

let's say for example

18:10

that the that AI

18:12

is producing the best teachers

18:14

in the world right making

18:16

knowledge widely available at no cost

18:18

to anyone who wants it from everything

18:21

from you want to learn how to

18:23

play the guitar you would to you want

18:25

to learn about Shakespeare you know normally if

18:27

you want to learn about Shakespeare you enroll

18:30

in school and you get some guy who

18:32

barely knows about Shakespeare himself teaching

18:34

you right and and and that's

18:36

the best you can do and

18:38

that's the best we had But

18:41

now imagine that you get somebody

18:43

who is world class teaching you

18:45

that not only knows the material

18:47

like nobody else, but has the

18:50

gift of making it entertaining, can

18:52

provide all kinds of visuals. It's

18:54

almost like watching a Shakespeare play.

18:56

Yes, that all sounds fine, but

18:58

what a, but obviously it's going to

19:01

cost you, right, to go to

19:03

this university. No. What I'm saying is

19:05

that in a world of AI, the

19:07

cost of knowledge goes down to

19:10

zero. It goes down to

19:12

zero because think about it.

19:14

The cost of digital information,

19:16

of adding another bit of

19:18

digital information, is almost zero.

19:20

Let's say Google has a

19:23

billion people on Google, right?

19:25

And then over the next

19:27

year it becomes two billion.

19:29

What is the added cost to Google?

19:32

Zero. Because? They've got already got

19:34

Google, they've got the search engine, if

19:36

more and more people use the search

19:39

engine, what is the added cost of

19:41

adding one guy? There's no cost. So

19:43

what I'm saying is that when we

19:45

see this movement toward intelligence,

19:47

which intelligence has always been aristocratic, by

19:50

that I mean, it's always been a

19:52

few people who have it. Typically in

19:54

a class, think of it. If you

19:56

grade people, you're separating out the A's

19:58

who are just a... people from the

20:01

bees who are the majority and

20:03

then of course you got the

20:05

people at the bottom end

20:07

but what if this knowledge

20:10

becomes widely available through artificial

20:12

intelligence now you know we

20:14

are getting dumber as a

20:16

society yes and and so

20:18

there are going to be

20:20

those people that are going to

20:22

say oh you mean to tell me

20:24

that I don't have to go to

20:27

college because I don't have to get

20:29

a Are those people going to then

20:31

go, I don't really want to learn,

20:33

I don't really care to learn, I

20:36

don't really want to go to a

20:38

class, online or otherwise, and so we're

20:40

going to have even more dumb people

20:42

on the planet? I mean, I'm just

20:45

saying... That's very possible. Well,

20:47

what would happen is that,

20:49

is that, see, right now we have

20:51

a tradeoff, right? Most people spend

20:53

most of their day, in fact

20:55

most of their life, either preparing

20:58

for... or working. And they work in

21:00

order to buy leisure. This goes right back

21:02

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out, you know, six days a

24:16

week or five days a week, I'm

24:19

exhausted on the weekend, I don't want

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to be bothered, I just want to

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sit on the couch, eat pizza, watch

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football, right? My question is... Would that

24:28

person do that if it was, if

24:30

they didn't have to do that job?

24:32

If they didn't, if they weren't driving

24:34

a truck all week and then go,

24:37

oh, I'm pooped, I need to kick

24:39

back. So they wouldn't be tired,

24:41

they wouldn't want to, so unwining

24:43

would take a whole new meaning.

24:45

Yeah, you could actually do things

24:47

like, for example, you could, you

24:50

could travel, you wouldn't be restricted,

24:52

you could travel for weeks on end

24:55

and learn. You're starting to sound

24:57

like AOC. Well, I mean, coming

24:59

back to the, you know, Marx's dream.

25:01

Yeah, exactly. That's where I'm getting at.

25:03

Marx's dream was that you should be

25:05

able to work in the... Now, Marx didn't

25:08

think that there would be a society

25:10

where work would be abolished.

25:12

He never did. Yeah. He

25:14

thought you would work in

25:16

the morning like fish in

25:18

the afternoon for fine. Go

25:20

out to dinner. So I

25:22

think what Marx was talking

25:24

about is taking the abundance

25:26

that he thought was stolen

25:28

by the capitalists and give

25:30

the worker a better life.

25:33

But what I'm saying is

25:35

that free market capitalism and

25:37

modern technology are delivering.

25:39

one better on marks because even marks

25:41

never thought we could get marks always

25:43

thought there's going to be dirty work

25:45

to be done and What we're saying

25:47

is that a lot of the dirty

25:49

work because all the fun work you

25:52

can still do no one is saying

25:54

that you don't have to use AI

25:56

right so for example Let's say for

25:58

instance you can learn something by just

26:00

getting an AI report. Or you

26:03

can learn something by reading a

26:05

book. You might decide, listen, I

26:07

don't just want someone to recite

26:09

to me the ingredients of Western

26:12

philosophy. I actually want to read

26:14

Plato's Republic. I want to spend

26:16

time inside that book and think

26:18

it through for myself. And then

26:20

I might get into a conversation

26:22

with AI about it. Which think about

26:25

it right now you read a

26:27

book or I read a book

26:29

and your heart pressed to find

26:31

somebody else who's read the same

26:33

book and can have a conversation

26:35

with you about it Whereas with AI

26:37

you now have an interlocutor

26:39

so you don't so you won't need

26:42

a book club You just have a

26:44

AI club. Yeah, and you know I

26:46

don't know I'm having a hard time

26:48

with this because I do believe that

26:50

a world with internet and social media

26:53

has become less

26:55

tolerant and more

26:57

divisive and I feel

26:59

like this will take it

27:01

to a whole new level

27:04

when you don't really have

27:06

to interact with people

27:08

anymore about anything

27:11

really. Well what you say

27:13

is true because you

27:15

know contrast to people

27:17

who are who disagree

27:20

strongly. at least under

27:23

normal circumstances. They're going

27:25

to somewhat moderate the

27:28

extremism of their views.

27:31

They're going to say things

27:33

like, you may not agree with

27:35

me on this, but, or let

27:37

me be honest and say this.

27:40

Whereas if you're posting on

27:42

social media, you don't need

27:44

any of that. those niceties,

27:46

right? You don't need any

27:49

preface, you just unload. Yeah,

27:51

sometimes even with people, there's

27:53

no such thing as niceties.

27:55

Right. But yeah, I don't,

27:58

I'm just not sure. that

28:00

that world exciting though

28:02

it may be is good for a

28:04

person is good for a soul

28:07

I just don't know about that

28:09

I don't think it is ideal

28:11

either but let me say this

28:14

that you know when I look

28:16

at the harshness that you

28:18

do see expressed let's just

28:21

say on the X platform

28:23

right now it's harsh but

28:25

the old X was more sanitized

28:28

but it was heavily

28:30

censored. Right? And so

28:33

the- You're talking about

28:35

the X between 2020

28:37

and 2024. I'm talking

28:39

about Elon Musk's X

28:42

versus the old regime.

28:44

Because I do remember

28:46

a time on Twitter. I

28:48

first started on Twitter in

28:51

2009. So between 2009

28:53

and I would say 2015-ish. I

28:55

was able to express my views

28:57

and say whatever I want and

28:59

in fact I told you that

29:01

I was under a little bit

29:03

of an incognito mode and I

29:05

went crazy. Yeah. Really crazy. And

29:07

I wasn't censored at all. My

29:10

tweets came out. I had lots

29:12

of views. I had lots of

29:14

likes. So you're saying there really

29:16

are three phases of Twitter. There

29:18

was the old Wild West Twitter.

29:21

Then there was the censored Trump

29:23

Twitter. When Trump came on, they

29:25

were like, ooh, Trump supporter. I

29:27

don't think so, you know, plus

29:29

Trump, right? They did censor even

29:32

Trump in that time period. And

29:34

then there was the time. When

29:36

I told you I lost about

29:38

30,000 followers on on X the

29:40

day after January 6th, so January

29:43

7th, 2021, I had 30,000 less,

29:45

and I have the same amount

29:47

today. Which is a good point

29:49

because we we think of X

29:51

as a free speech platform, and

29:54

it has been for me. My

29:56

X has grown enormously, but yours

29:58

has been frozen. And so what

30:01

you're saying, and others as well,

30:03

that some of the censorship algorithms

30:05

still seem to be in place.

30:07

They are. I don't know if

30:09

it's the case that the new

30:11

Elon Musk regime has not uncovered

30:13

them all or what's going on,

30:15

but that is definitely the case.

30:17

Let's talk about, let's change topics

30:19

here a little bit. Well, one

30:21

final thought on the AI front

30:24

before we pass on is this. I

30:26

think with some of these things. The

30:28

power of the new technology is such

30:30

that whether you think it's good or

30:33

not, it's hard to see it

30:35

being resisted. Think of the internet.

30:37

If we could sit before that

30:39

and go, well, I don't think

30:41

the internet's good for society. Well,

30:43

whether you do or not. It

30:46

happened. It's going to

30:48

happen. Right. I don't think

30:50

it's good for people to

30:53

have these phones that they

30:55

can walk around with and

30:57

because they double as a

30:59

camera. Well, the truth of

31:01

it is like the woman

31:03

on the on the floaty

31:05

in the ocean. She was

31:07

on a floaty on the

31:09

phone. I thought. This is too

31:11

much. Even, you know... But it shows that

31:13

see for her, she couldn't be

31:16

without her phone, even on a

31:18

plastic load of device. Yes. Loading

31:20

on the ocean. Yeah, and remember when

31:22

we went for a walk, we saw

31:25

a couple walking and he was on

31:27

a business meeting and the wife was

31:29

rolling her eyes like really... It was

31:31

such a sight, right? Oh. And

31:34

then you noticed him, he was

31:36

basically talking into the phone and

31:38

saying, I'm just checking in. Yeah.

31:40

Is this really necessary to? And

31:42

the answer is, yeah. Now talk about a

31:44

guy for whom work. He does not unplug.

31:46

And probably enjoys his work. It's

31:48

not that he enjoys the work.

31:51

He probably enjoys the status. He

31:53

enjoys the sense of kind of

31:55

combat and competition. Yeah. He's probably

31:57

the boss. And so he thinks.

32:00

it's great to be barking

32:02

out orders to other people. All

32:04

right, let's talk about, I don't

32:06

know, you want to talk about

32:09

NPR? Yeah, let's do it.

32:11

NPR. We've got so many

32:13

comments on Brandon Guild's cross-examination

32:15

of Catherine Mar, the head

32:18

of NPR, and I think

32:20

for the first time there

32:22

is a chance that NPR

32:25

will be defined. This idea

32:27

has been around for... And

32:29

the reason is that NBR is

32:31

very clever at maintaining good relations

32:34

with moderate Republicans. And so when

32:36

it comes time to defund them,

32:38

the moderate Republicans will, my wife

32:40

lives in the NPR every day,

32:43

so, or my kids need Sesame

32:45

Street. Oh, but they've got, they've

32:47

got enough going for them. Kind

32:49

of like Disney. It's difficult

32:52

to mobilize people who are

32:54

not political against Disney, because

32:56

they just had this idea,

32:58

well, You know, Cinderella, Snow

33:00

White, really? You know, so

33:02

Disney plays on that and

33:05

so they can push all

33:07

kinds of promotions. Well, and

33:09

you know what? Like, growing

33:11

up, when I came to

33:13

this country and I was

33:15

trying to learn English, I

33:18

watched a good bit amount

33:20

of PBS. They had some

33:22

children shows that were kind of

33:24

funny, but... PBS also is a

33:27

good mechanism for indoctrination. Oh yeah.

33:29

And so, look, they can be

33:31

around. It's not that we don't

33:33

want them to be around. They

33:36

can exist, but. It's the taxpayer

33:38

money going toward something that is

33:40

indoctrinating on one side. I mean

33:43

it's very simple. Actually Bill Maher

33:45

of all people made this point.

33:47

Yeah. You know if you have

33:49

a unified society, somewhat like Finland

33:52

where the political differences are very

33:54

muted, you can have a public

33:56

radio or public television that kind

33:58

of reflects the concern. census of

34:00

the society. But he goes, how

34:02

can you have a society in

34:05

which power is passing between

34:07

Republicans and Democrats? And you've

34:10

got a publicly funded institution

34:13

that is intrinsically, not 6040, 99

34:15

to 1 or 100 to zero.

34:17

And far left. Far left. Far,

34:19

far left. Yeah, this is intolerable.

34:22

This cannot stand. And so. I think

34:24

it is imperative. Look, I'm glad

34:26

we've taken over, Trump has taken

34:28

over the Kennedy Center, but NPR

34:30

and PBS have been a thorn

34:32

in our side for decades and

34:34

just spiking those balls. And Brandon, the

34:37

questions he was asking, like, you know,

34:39

do you really, and he was putting

34:41

it back on her, you know, do

34:43

you really think this is a good,

34:45

you know, a good spend for our

34:47

tax dollars? Do you really think we

34:49

need to spend this and that on

34:52

our tax dollars? And, you know, she

34:54

was obviously her views, like, you know,

34:56

she said something about being

34:58

embarrassed that she was white.

35:00

Well, her views are reflected

35:02

on NPR. They are. Well,

35:04

I mean, that's how she became

35:07

the CEO. Right. She is in tune

35:09

with she sings from that sheet music.

35:11

That's right. Now she tried to mute

35:13

it in the conversation with Brandon. I

35:15

think the good thing that Brandon did

35:17

was, and this is different than a

35:20

lot of Republicans, typically a Republican says,

35:22

I've got five minutes a time, right?

35:24

And so I'm going to give a

35:26

thunderous speech. Right. And so I ask

35:28

a question, but just when the person

35:30

starts to answer, I interrupt, I say,

35:32

I take back my time, and I

35:35

just keep talking for five minutes. Right.

35:37

was more of a sort of a surgical...

35:39

Well it was it was a

35:41

little bit like being a

35:43

prosecutor. Right and cross-examining a

35:45

witness. Cross-examination. In which very

35:47

often the most important thing I

35:49

find this to be true when I

35:51

do debates is to listen to what

35:53

the other person is saying and and

35:55

that's so rare if you're in the

35:58

media, even lawyers, they don't listen. just

36:00

go to the next question. Whereas what Brandon

36:02

does is, like she would say something,

36:04

this is my favorite, but Brandon goes,

36:06

he quotes her in favor of reparations,

36:08

and then she to throw him off

36:10

goes, well I don't support fiscal reparations.

36:13

And normally, you know, a clumsy

36:15

interlocutor would have been like, let's

36:17

talk now about something else. But Brandon's

36:19

like, well, what kind of reparations do

36:21

you support? What other kind are there?

36:24

Do you know, do specify? And then

36:26

she was not prepared. She was not prepared

36:28

for that. So then she was like, well,

36:30

I just think we should be honoring our

36:33

ancestors, which was so...

36:35

transparently duplicitous and a hokey

36:37

that I don't think I don't

36:39

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It's D-I-N-E-S-H-D-N-S. Disney

38:00

is facing perhaps the

38:03

biggest bomb in its

38:05

certainly look Disney is

38:07

like my snow white

38:09

outfit I know I'm looking

38:11

at this I'm like oh I

38:14

think I'm trying to dress like

38:16

snow white snow white outfit

38:18

yeah here's the thing

38:20

Disney has has introduced

38:22

some new types of

38:24

films and they haven't

38:27

done well true but

38:29

Disney became Disney based

38:31

on a handful of

38:33

major brands, right? Cinderella.

38:36

Snow White. Snow White. There are

38:38

a few others like that.

38:40

Hansel and Gretel. Hansel and

38:42

Gretel, the, what is it,

38:45

the Little Red Riding

38:47

Hood? I mean, there are

38:49

these classic grims tails and

38:51

other tails. And to bomb

38:53

on Snow White is not the

38:55

same as bombing on, you know,

38:58

some... Someone that you haven't

39:00

heard of. Yeah, or even Moulin

39:02

and Moulin was very successful. But

39:04

my point is if you bomb

39:06

on Moulin, it's not the same

39:08

as bombing on Cinderella Snow White, especially

39:11

since those movies made Disney. That's right.

39:13

And I made the point earlier this

39:15

week where I said that, you know,

39:17

people are blaming Rachel Ziegler.

39:20

She's an extremely annoying lead.

39:22

She's Snow White and she always

39:24

In all her interviews, she's so

39:26

self-absorbed, she says things like, you

39:29

know, I had to put on

39:31

my snow-white dress and stand there

39:33

for hours. Everybody who streams this

39:35

movie needs to be paying me.

39:37

Think about it. Think I think

39:40

we would say that. Who would

39:42

say that, right? So she's a

39:44

very objectionable individual, yes. But I

39:47

also think it is a

39:49

little unfair to blame her

39:51

exclusively for snow-white bombing, why? The

39:53

script. Who wrote the plot? Yeah. Who decided

39:55

to get away to the dwarfs? Who decided

39:57

not to have really a normal French

39:59

job? story. So what are they, so

40:01

what is the story about? I mean, what

40:04

is it about? If it's not about the

40:06

doors, it's not about the love story, then

40:08

what happens? It's about the whole

40:10

community coming together. It's like it's

40:13

winter vocification rewrite of, look, I

40:15

mean, I'm not going to watch

40:17

this film, right? So I'm not

40:19

going to give you the detailed

40:21

blow-by-by-low. The moment I saw that

40:23

they have taken the film... See,

40:26

they've taken everything in the film

40:28

that they would, that they see

40:30

in their own, um, demented way. As

40:32

a problem. Right. So Prince

40:34

and Princess, that's a problem.

40:36

Um, Princess eats apple and

40:39

collapses until kissed by Prince.

40:41

Major problem. Major problem. Uh,

40:43

dwarfs, you're getting into sensitive

40:45

territory. Um, the dwarves having

40:47

defined characteristics, sleepy and so

40:49

on. And dopi. Dopi. Oh,

40:51

you know. Can go there.

40:53

So then what you get

40:55

is basically, you know, a

40:57

whole bunch of writers coming

41:00

in, you know, plugging in

41:02

their butt plugs and giving

41:04

a wolf. Shut up just

41:06

talking about the composition process

41:08

of giving us the woke version.

41:10

Oh, and I'm saying that's

41:12

what destroyed the movie. Rachel

41:14

Ziegler, she's like Catherine Marr

41:16

at NPR in that they brought her

41:19

in because she was as woke as

41:21

the rest of them. Right, but now

41:23

they're acting like they are not

41:25

woke and she came in and destroyed

41:28

the movie I guess that's what I'm

41:30

objecting to There's there's a little

41:32

bit of blame to go around

41:34

right because first of all She's

41:36

woke we know she's woke the

41:38

studios to blame Yeah, brought her

41:41

in yes, and but she accepted

41:43

knowing that this was the case She

41:45

was hired like a you know, she was

41:47

hired to be woke I don't

41:49

know if she sings. That's really

41:51

not the issue. They're acting now

41:54

like because she's a Palestinian activist,

41:56

which no surprise she is. That's

41:58

part of the woke ideologies. So in

42:00

a way, Rachel Zegler could say to

42:02

that, what did you expect? You weren't

42:04

looking for somebody like Catherine

42:06

Hepburn. You wanted somebody like

42:08

me. You got it. And now you're

42:11

blaming me for destroying the movie.

42:13

Look, I'm not defending her. I'm just

42:15

saying there's a lot more blame to

42:17

go around. I hope that this this

42:20

this model this Disney model I think

42:22

is not going to work. Yeah well

42:24

now that we are you know have

42:26

grandchildren. I mean see for a while

42:29

like I know I didn't even know

42:31

what was out there with Disney because

42:33

our kids were grown. They weren't watching

42:36

Disney anymore. We didn't care. We could

42:38

care less. it's starting to come full

42:40

circle and our kids our grandkids are

42:43

now going to start wanting to watch

42:45

Disney and wanting to you know

42:47

read those tales and all of those things

42:49

so so that's going to become important to

42:52

us again so I mean I have to

42:54

full circle is the right way to

42:56

put it because when I came to

42:58

America at the age of 17 I

43:00

was an exchange student for a year

43:02

in Arizona at the end of that

43:04

year we had a kind of exchange

43:06

student mini sightseeing tour that began in It

43:08

began in Colorado, Arizona, but

43:11

it also went to Disneyland

43:13

in California. And I love

43:15

Disney because I had never

43:17

seen anything like that. In fact,

43:19

I'd never seen an amusement park.

43:22

And so the experience of Disney,

43:24

Circa, like 1979, I was very

43:26

wild by it, even though I was a

43:28

little too old. I mean, I was

43:30

17. But nevertheless, I just found

43:32

the whole thing just so charming. was

43:35

just Americana you know yeah and and

43:37

I even liked I liked I like

43:39

space mountain I like bare country so

43:41

I was a small world after all

43:44

it was hilarious I mean so

43:46

the whole thing just made you

43:48

chuckle from start to finish and

43:50

at the end of the day you

43:52

were just like wow yeah that is

43:54

just so funny and entertaining and wholesome

43:57

and good music and of course

43:59

very clean Yes. And of course

44:01

it's a fun day out. Yeah.

44:03

And then to see Disney take

44:06

this kind of twisted, nasty

44:08

turn. Well, you know,

44:10

like you, I went

44:12

to Disneyland when I

44:14

was like four. You

44:17

know, we came to

44:19

visit my grandparents from

44:21

Venezuela. We went to

44:23

California and I went

44:25

to Disneyland. I went to

44:27

Disney World in Orlando and

44:29

loved that. But then when

44:31

my kids were little, we

44:33

went as a family and

44:35

I told you that my

44:37

poor children were so embarrassed

44:39

because we went to this,

44:41

it was like the wall

44:43

of presidents, right? And they

44:45

had the animatronics, all of

44:47

the presidents. It was incredible.

44:49

But then they had Barack.

44:51

Obama. Was he the last one?

44:53

Yeah, and I booed him. And

44:55

my children were so embarrassed. They

44:58

were like, oh no, mom, you

45:00

didn't just do that. And so,

45:02

you know, I think that's when

45:04

they started getting a little bit

45:06

on the, you know, we're gonna

45:08

kind of, not that, not that

45:10

Obama wasn't the president, but I'm

45:12

just saying that they, I think

45:15

they... They did that kind of

45:17

on purpose to like they did

45:19

that was the creeping Yeah

45:21

of the political the other

45:23

thing is is When Daniel

45:26

was very little we were

45:28

Disney one time and I

45:30

remember it's kind of toward

45:32

the evening. So it might

45:34

have been winding down a

45:36

little bit and you know

45:39

when you step away from

45:41

some of the rides I happen

45:43

to see you know goofy uh...

45:45

walking ahead of me and

45:47

then leaning up against one

45:49

of the buildings and what

45:52

is he do he reaches

45:54

and pulls out pulls off

45:56

his the top part of his

45:58

goofy a mask and then he

46:01

lights a cigarette, right? Oh yeah.

46:03

Yeah. And so, and he had

46:05

this very cynical, perverted look. You

46:07

know, he looked like, he essentially,

46:09

goofy was transformed before my eyes,

46:11

right? And it's almost like I saw

46:14

the old Disney and the new Disney

46:16

in one snapshot, right? I saw the

46:18

old Disney, which is goofy. And

46:20

then I see this perverted man.

46:22

Right. Just with a cynical look.

46:24

And his cynical look told

46:26

me everything. It was kind of

46:29

like. I'm supposed to play this

46:31

dumb roll from morning to night.

46:33

Yeah. Here, give me a break.

46:35

Let me have a cigarette and

46:37

like return to the real world.

46:39

Yeah. Before I have to put

46:42

the stupid goofy costume back on.

46:44

And I, and at the time,

46:46

of course, I didn't think of

46:48

this ideologically in any way. I

46:50

was just like, oh wow, there's, there's

46:52

goo, oops, oh what? It's like taking

46:55

a very fine restaurant and going

46:57

into the kitchen where you basically

46:59

see everything's a mess on these

47:02

big ovens and smoking. Or how

47:04

about this one when you find

47:06

out Santa's not? You know who we

47:08

thought he was? Okay, let's

47:11

turn to we want to

47:13

talk about about Venezuela because

47:16

You were telling me that

47:18

because you fall you are

47:21

part of a Of a

47:23

group of Venezuelans who are

47:25

on Facebook and Talk about

47:28

the latest, the latest kind

47:30

of vibe. Well, this was

47:33

actually a post that you

47:35

did on Instagram. And a

47:37

lot of these Venezuelans that

47:40

chimed in, I did not

47:42

know. They were not part

47:44

of my group. But they

47:46

were like, Debbie, please talk

47:49

about the fact that all

47:51

Venezuelans are not bad people.

47:53

Apparently because because of this

47:56

trend that I wah these

47:58

these gangsters you know, they're

48:00

giving Venezuela a bad name. Please

48:03

do something about it. Please, you

48:05

know, talk about the fact that

48:07

most Venezuelans, the majority of us

48:09

are Trump supporters, capitalists, hard workers,

48:11

you know. I mean, really, it's,

48:13

and so, and I said, listen,

48:15

I know, I'm, I'm one of

48:17

them. I, I definitely don't want

48:19

to be compared to Trinidad Awa.

48:22

I mean, that, that's ridiculous. Any

48:24

more than, and I told you,

48:26

it would be like an American

48:28

being compared to an Antifa person.

48:30

You know, like, oh, you, oh,

48:32

you must be like them because

48:34

you're American and all of the

48:36

Americans are like these guys. No,

48:39

Antifa, that group of people is

48:41

a very small portion of the

48:43

population and they're very bad people.

48:45

They shouldn't be compared with the

48:47

rest of us. The great defenders

48:49

right now of Trendi Aragua. I'm

48:51

not the Venezuelans. I never see

48:53

a Venezuelan going, trendieragua is amazing.

48:55

No, it's the left. It's trendieragua

48:58

is embarrassing. Right, so the Venezuelans

49:00

know that trenderagua is horrible. Yeah.

49:02

Just like the Mexicans know that

49:04

MS-13 is horrible. No, that's Salvadorian.

49:06

That is a Salvadorian gang. Now

49:08

there are elements of Mexico. And

49:10

there is the Mexican mafia, of

49:12

course. Yes. And a trenderagua, I

49:14

mean, Trederagua, MS- is mostly made

49:17

up of El Salvadorians, from El

49:19

Salvador, but there are Mexicans and

49:21

Guatemalan, and you know from other

49:23

Central American countries. So it's become

49:25

a kind of transnational, yeah. It

49:27

is a transnational, but the majority

49:29

are from El Salvador, and that's

49:31

why when they go home to

49:34

Bukalé, it's, they're going home, because

49:36

that's their home. So, but... Bukalé

49:38

made a telling remark when he

49:40

said, look. He was talking about

49:42

Mexico. And he said, everyone tells

49:44

me that you've got these criminal

49:46

gangs and that they're so big

49:48

and they're so powerful. He goes,

49:50

in no country in the world.

49:53

Is there any gang in existence

49:55

that is more powerful than that

49:57

country? And he goes for the

49:59

simple reason that that country has

50:01

the military, right? So he goes,

50:03

and so it doesn't make any

50:05

sense for any country to say,

50:07

we have been overtaken by gangs.

50:09

He goes, there is really only

50:12

one way for a country to

50:14

be overtaken by gangs. And that

50:16

is for the politicians and leaders

50:18

of that country to be part

50:20

of the gang. That's right. And

50:22

that's what's happened in Mexico. That's

50:24

right. The regime doesn't get rid

50:26

of the cartels because the cartels

50:29

are in the government, which is

50:31

to say they own part of

50:33

the government. The government is getting

50:35

benefit and law enforcement has been

50:37

penetrated, corrupted. So Buchale's point is

50:39

that if a country wants to

50:41

get rid of gangs, there is

50:43

a way to do it and

50:45

he's proven that he knows how

50:48

to do it. Yeah, clean up

50:50

your government. Yeah, clean up your

50:52

government. But anyway, back to the

50:54

Venezuelan and the Trenderawa. So the

50:56

video that you posted on Instagram

50:58

was was a video of these

51:00

Venezuelans on a plane going back

51:02

to Venezuela and they were not

51:04

Trenderawa members. They were just thugs.

51:07

And I said, these are the

51:09

worst of the worst of society

51:11

that society has to offer. You

51:13

were one of the first people

51:15

to warn that the Venezuelans who

51:17

are being sent over and were

51:19

coming over illegally were not fleeing

51:21

socialism. No, they were... They were

51:24

the Chavez themselves. They were actually

51:26

fleeing what socialism promised them and

51:28

didn't get. So they were coming

51:30

to America because word on the

51:32

street was that they were going

51:34

to get all those goodies that

51:36

they didn't get in Venezuela. So

51:38

they were like, oh, Biden's going

51:40

to give me a car. He's

51:43

going to give me a house.

51:45

What's not to like? Let's go.

51:47

Let's go through the area and

51:49

the Darien jungle. Who cares what

51:51

happens there? As long as we

51:53

get to America, we're good. You

51:55

know, so these people were really

51:57

the bottom of the barrel of

51:59

Venezuela. They were not the the

52:02

hardworking people that were destroyed, where

52:04

their livelihood was destroyed. That's another

52:06

show. And obviously my family is

52:08

part of that group of people.

52:10

I mean that group of people,

52:12

it looks like. broke into two.

52:14

In other words, there were business

52:16

people, there were Jewish merchants, there

52:19

were some people who had the

52:21

means and the ability to get

52:23

out of Venezuela and they got

52:25

out early. Yes. And they fled.

52:27

And they've set up in Miami,

52:29

you see them in Florida, they're

52:31

very successful Venezuelan community, they have

52:33

helped deliver Florida to Trump. That's

52:35

right. And then you've got a

52:38

second group of people who were

52:40

fooled by Chavez, and perhaps even

52:42

by Maduro, or they are not,

52:44

like your aunt, they're not in

52:46

a position to get up and

52:48

leave. They're too old to leave,

52:50

where would they go, where would

52:52

they live, what would they do?

52:54

My grandparents were, they were the

52:57

the holdouts, they were like, oh,

52:59

things will get better, things will

53:01

get better, and then they passed

53:03

away. You know, unfortunately... But they

53:05

saw that they didn't get better.

53:07

They saw that they did not

53:09

get better and they were horrified

53:11

by what happened. And then I

53:14

have like a cousin that, you

53:16

know, I'm really trying very hard

53:18

to help, but he may fall

53:20

prey to the fact that, you

53:22

know what, the Venezuelan have kind

53:24

of... that have come illegally have

53:26

kind of given all the other

53:28

Venezuelan's a bad name. Right. And

53:30

so we're having to deal with

53:33

that issue, you know, which is

53:35

unfortunate. You know, with the, with

53:37

Indians, not to the same degree,

53:39

because of course you're not talking

53:41

about trendy Aragua, but what's happened

53:43

is you have abuses in like

53:45

the H1B pro. And what happens

53:47

is that the abuses are not

53:49

coming exclusively on the Indian side.

53:52

It's true. You have these Indian

53:54

suppliers. And what they do is

53:56

that they create these will supply

53:58

the labor that you need, and

54:00

then you've got these tech companies

54:02

and software companies, and sometimes not

54:04

even tech companies. And what they

54:06

do is they act like there

54:09

are no willing and employable Americans.

54:11

Why? Because they'd rather get an

54:13

Indian guy that they can pay

54:15

much less, not to mention the

54:17

fact that that guy then has

54:19

to work for this company. Because

54:21

you've come on that visa. You

54:23

can't go anywhere else. You're almost

54:25

like beholden to that company. So

54:28

you've got this. unhealthy alliance. But

54:30

my point is, for Americans watching

54:32

it from the outside, you go,

54:34

these horrible Indians, they're just, they're

54:36

gaming the system, and so it

54:38

gives Indians a bad name. Yeah,

54:40

no, and I think that that

54:42

is... That's unfortunate really because there

54:44

are a lot of really great

54:47

Indian Americans that have contributed a

54:49

great deal to this country and

54:51

and there are a lot of

54:53

great Venezuelan Americans. Hello. No. But

54:55

you know I don't get it

54:57

because I've been obviously been here

54:59

since I'm 17. Yeah. Most people

55:01

who follow me you know know

55:04

know exactly my story and so

55:06

I'm not going to get. lumped

55:08

in, but I noticed even Vivek.

55:10

Vivek's a good guy, right? And

55:12

Vivek was born here. So Vivek

55:14

is more American than I am

55:16

in that sense. And yet, I

55:18

see people that go home, deport

55:20

Vivek. You know, why is Vivek

55:23

talking about the H1B? Vivek is

55:25

somebody who I think has has

55:27

bought in the debate in this

55:29

country in a very good way.

55:31

So I wish Vivek well, and

55:33

I hope he makes it by

55:35

the way in his race for

55:37

the Senate. Yeah, for the Senate,

55:39

you mean for governor? Oh, for

55:42

governor, sorry, Trump is endorsed. but

55:44

endorsed in Ohio. Ohio.

55:46

And of course

55:48

the election is

55:50

next year. next

55:52

Well, I hope

55:54

that that people, you

55:56

know, don't don't

55:58

be I guess guess

56:01

don't be so

56:03

cruel and judgmental

56:05

about different people

56:07

that that are

56:09

here for different

56:11

reasons. Well, make valid distinctions.

56:13

I mean, I key

56:15

is that you. is

56:18

that you. Yeah, the trend of

56:20

Aragua is a a

56:22

Venezuelan it's not but it's

56:24

not exactly representative of

56:26

the people of Venezuela.

56:28

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