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1:10

calling today's episode of

1:13

the podcast, Chaos Theory,

1:15

which is a term that

1:18

is lifted out of

1:20

physics. and refers to

1:22

the long-term indecipherable effects

1:25

of things that happen in

1:27

the physical world. Something

1:29

happens over here, and

1:31

it affects something way over

1:34

there that doesn't appear to

1:36

even be connected. So the

1:38

importance of chaos theory is

1:41

to try to track what's really

1:43

going on and what the causes

1:46

and what the effects are. And

1:48

this stuff is not obvious. Now, the

1:50

reason I mention all this is because

1:52

when you're hearing these critiques

1:55

of what Trump is doing, and

1:57

what Trump is doing is very

1:59

aggressive. and it is a gamble and

2:01

it is part of a

2:03

comprehensive strategy, a strategy

2:06

that includes tariffs but

2:08

is not limited to

2:10

tariffs. It includes tax

2:12

policies, it includes regulatory

2:14

policies, it includes transactional

2:16

deals that are made

2:18

one-off and one on

2:20

one with different countries.

2:22

It is an effort

2:24

to reset. the American

2:27

economy on a different

2:29

and stronger basis. But

2:31

the critics are looking at

2:33

it and are making what

2:35

can only be considered

2:37

wildly contradictory

2:40

doomsday forecasts. So one

2:42

of the doomsday forecasts

2:44

is that tariffs are

2:47

inflationary. And in the

2:49

same breath, or almost

2:51

in the same breath,

2:53

you hear, America is

2:55

headed for a recession,

2:57

if not another Great

2:59

Depression. Now, right away,

3:01

you know that these are

3:04

opposite effects. What is

3:06

the opposite of inflation?

3:09

The Great Depression.

3:11

So, how is it possible

3:13

to have both? coming together?

3:16

Answer, it's really not

3:18

possible. So clearly what

3:20

we're seeing is a certain

3:22

amount of economic gobbledygook

3:24

being advanced here. And

3:26

we need to try to sort through

3:29

what is going on paying

3:31

careful attention to some of

3:33

the particulars. So let me

3:36

start with China, because Debbie

3:38

said to me this morning,

3:40

China is increasing its tariffs.

3:42

on America by another, I

3:44

forget the percentage, but it's

3:46

a big number. And here's the

3:49

point. This is China's, I would

3:51

call it China's second retaliation. So

3:53

Trump announced the tariffs, China goes,

3:55

we're going to put on tariffs.

3:57

I think there were 50% tariffs.

4:00

Trump increases his tariffs and now

4:02

China increases their tariffs. Now on

4:04

the face of it, this looks

4:07

like something that is deeply disturbing,

4:09

which is to say, by the

4:12

way, these are the world's largest

4:14

economies and they are whooping up

4:16

the tariffs on each other and

4:19

it looks like this is a

4:21

trade war that will be really

4:23

bad for both countries. Let me

4:26

try to show why this is

4:28

in fact not so. It's quite

4:31

simply because tariffs, reciprocal tariffs, let's

4:33

just say both countries tariff each

4:35

other 200%, let's just take an

4:38

outrageous number for effect. Now, this

4:40

would be very similar to me

4:43

and my local Walmart, terrifying each

4:45

other 200 percent. It's not going

4:47

to have the same effect on

4:50

us, is it? Why? Because I

4:52

buy a whole bunch of stuff

4:55

from Walmart. What exactly does Walmart

4:57

buy from me? Nothing. So when

4:59

you're talking about reciprocal tariffs, you

5:02

first have to ask, who is

5:04

buying what from whom? Now here's

5:07

the simple truth. The United States

5:09

buys a whole bunch of stuff

5:11

from China. China buys some stuff

5:14

from America, but a whole lot

5:16

less. proportion of trade that America

5:19

does buys from China is vastly

5:21

greater, greater by a factor of

5:23

five than what China buys from

5:26

us. We don't sell a whole

5:28

lot of cars to China. We

5:31

don't sell a whole lot of

5:33

pretty much anything. The only thing

5:35

I can think of that jumps

5:38

off the top of my head

5:40

that we export to China, Hollywood

5:43

movies. So if China wants to

5:45

tear off Hollywood movies by 400

5:47

percent, I would for one would

5:50

be really happy about that not

5:52

only because Hollywood stinks quite frankly

5:54

it's also really good for China

5:57

China doesn't need the pollution that

5:59

comes from Hollywood movies so this

6:02

would be a a marvelous move

6:04

all around. Go ahead China in

6:06

fact I recommend 800% tariffs on

6:09

on Hollywood. Good for us and

6:11

good for you and and good

6:14

to teach Hollywood a lesson. So

6:16

here's my point that these this

6:18

trade war only has the effect

6:21

that is being forecast if the

6:23

two parties are trading kind of

6:26

on an equal basis. It was

6:28

Carolyn Leavitt who said yesterday the

6:30

press secretary, America does not need

6:33

other countries as much as other

6:35

countries need us. This is a

6:38

sentiment that's worth reflecting on. Many

6:40

countries maintain their own prosperity by

6:42

tapping into and selling into the

6:45

American market. Case in point. Mexico.

6:47

Case in point, Canada. Case in

6:50

point, some of the European countries.

6:52

They sell to each other to

6:54

be sure, but they also sell

6:57

a lot to us. How much

6:59

do we sell to them? Not

7:02

a lot. When you travel in

7:04

Europe, ask, so how often do

7:06

I see American cars on the

7:09

Audubon in Germany? Almost never. How

7:11

often do I see German cars

7:13

on the American highways all the

7:16

time? And this is, I'm using

7:18

this example as a stand-in for

7:21

other products as well. How often

7:23

do we see other things made

7:25

in other countries over here all

7:28

the time? How often do we

7:30

see our stuff over there? I'll

7:33

use India as an example. India

7:35

exports all kinds of things called

7:37

centers, services, technology. to America and

7:40

sure there are American you know

7:42

you'll go to an Indian city

7:45

you'll see an American bank but

7:47

that is a rare and unusual

7:49

site by and large American products

7:52

are not easily and certainly not

7:54

American agricultural products many of these

7:57

countries block our agriculture from making

7:59

its way over there. Now, we

8:01

are seeing Wall Street issuing all

8:04

these panic alerts. And essentially Wall

8:06

Street is demanding that Main Street

8:09

freak out. But Main Street isn't

8:11

freaking out. And I would argue

8:13

Main Street is kind of right

8:16

not to freak out. Why? Quite

8:18

frankly, how much sympathy did Wall

8:21

Street show for Main Street? in

8:23

the 2008 crash. When Wall Street,

8:25

by the way, got bailed out,

8:28

when all these executives gave themselves

8:30

million-dollar bonuses and multi-million-dollar bonuses, they

8:32

were laughing all the way to

8:35

the bank, many people lost their

8:37

homes, many people were foreclosed on,

8:40

many people went bankrupt, I didn't

8:42

hear a lot of sympathy coming

8:44

from Wall Street. Similarly, in COVID,

8:47

did you hear Wall Street jumping

8:49

up and down, protesting lockdowns, demanding

8:52

that people not be fired for

8:54

not taking the vaccine? Not at

8:56

all! Wall Street was watched with

8:59

equanimity. And so I think that

9:01

Wall Street is getting the same

9:04

treatment, and rightly so, because as

9:06

Scott peasant said this morning in

9:08

a clip that I shared, he

9:11

goes, it's Main Street's turn now

9:13

to fix things. And it's Main

9:16

Street's turn to get some of

9:18

the benefits. of the American economy

9:20

that have been denied and deprived.

9:23

Now, by the way, not denied

9:25

by free markets. We got to

9:28

disabuse ourselves of the idea that

9:30

somehow free trade worldwide is controlled

9:32

by free markets. Not at all.

9:35

Free trade is controlled, is not

9:37

free trade because of foreign tariffs,

9:40

because of foreign regulations. because of

9:42

the value-added tax, because of currency

9:44

manipulation, there are seven things that

9:47

are blocking the free market from

9:49

operating in international trade. And on

9:51

top of that, you got the...

9:54

Federal Reserve printing money. Where's the

9:56

free trade in that? There's no

9:59

free trade. There's a monopoly. In

10:01

fact, a government-controlled monopoly. Isn't it

10:03

strange? We live in a capitalist

10:06

system. And the most important fuel

10:08

of that system, namely money, is

10:11

100% controlled by the US government.

10:13

They quite literally. make money and

10:15

they make it by printing it

10:18

and they printed at their own

10:20

discretion. Where is the free trade

10:23

in any of this? So I

10:25

think part of the lesson that

10:27

we've learned here is that we're

10:30

not, we haven't changed our minds

10:32

about free trade. We've learned to

10:35

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10:37

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10:42

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13:27

Now, the moment the Doge even

13:29

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13:31

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13:34

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13:38

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13:41

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13:45

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13:48

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13:50

Musk gives them the heebee geebies?

13:53

And the answer is, they have

13:55

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13:57

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14:00

name of Social Security. Knowing that

14:02

Social Security is a kind of

14:04

taboo, it's a third rail, you

14:07

can't touch it. Even Trump has

14:09

said, I'm not going to be

14:11

changing Social Security benefits. And so

14:14

the Democrats realize if we do

14:16

all kinds of crookery, all kinds

14:18

of not just waste and fraud,

14:21

but if we can do even

14:23

election interference through Social Security, the

14:25

Republicans will be scared to go

14:28

in there. And if they do,

14:30

we just scream, they're interfering with

14:32

Social Security. This is the landscape

14:35

that Elon Musk is dealing with.

14:37

And here is one of the

14:40

things that Doge has found that

14:42

kind of shows you what the

14:44

Democrats have been up to. These

14:47

are the social security numbers issued

14:49

to non-citizens in the past four

14:51

years. This is during the Biden

14:54

years. So 2021, 270,000. 590,000. So

14:56

in just one year, a virtual

14:58

doubling. What are we talking about?

15:01

The number of non-citizen who are

15:03

being issued social security numbers, thus

15:05

in a sense, paving their way,

15:08

not only to get social security

15:10

payments, but also to be, to

15:12

have a form of identification or

15:15

verification that opens the door to

15:17

other things such as voting. So,

15:20

590,000 in 2022, 964,000, almost another

15:22

doubling by 2024. So what we're

15:24

really seeing is a rapid ratcheting

15:27

up of the potential for fraud.

15:29

Fraud both in Social Security pain.

15:31

and fraud of other kinds specifically

15:34

election fraud. Basically the way that

15:36

immigration achieved this is that they

15:38

would take these illegals and the

15:41

illegals would file for asylum. Now

15:43

filing for asylum is itself largely

15:45

a scam because by and large

15:48

of a hundred people who filed

15:50

for asylum maybe one or two

15:52

guys actually qualifies. The standards for

15:55

meeting asylum are pretty high and

15:57

so the game being played here

16:00

is let's file for asylum because

16:02

since there's such a backlog it's

16:04

going to be 18 months or

16:07

even two years or maybe three

16:09

years before my case comes up

16:11

in the meantime I'm going to

16:14

live and work in the United

16:16

States and guess what a few

16:18

months later I'm going to get

16:21

a social security number. This is

16:23

exactly what is in fact been

16:25

happening. So that illegals have been

16:28

getting work permits even though in

16:30

general Not only are illegals not

16:32

supposed to work, they're not even

16:35

supposed to be here, but even

16:37

illegals to America are often not

16:40

supposed to work. Case in point,

16:42

I came to the United States

16:44

as an exchange student. Could I

16:47

work in that time and get

16:49

paid? No. Why? Because exchange students

16:51

are legal, but they can't work.

16:54

Then I became, I had a

16:56

student visa for four years. I

16:58

did have a work study program

17:01

that was approved and that is

17:03

within Dartmouth. I was paid in

17:05

effect by the college to work

17:08

at the college, but was I

17:10

allowed to take a job, another

17:12

job, an outside job? No. Not

17:15

allowed. Students are not allowed to

17:17

work in the country because they

17:20

don't have work permits or green

17:22

cards. And so the whole point

17:24

is there are legals who are

17:27

not allowed to work. This is

17:29

a... This was a Biden Harris

17:31

left-wing scheme to set up illegals

17:34

staying permanently and voting in this

17:36

country. Now, naturally the Democrats have

17:38

been using these judges around the

17:41

country to go after not just

17:43

doge but to go after the

17:45

whole Trump project and Trump's executive

17:48

orders in general. One of the

17:50

things that they've been going after

17:52

are the federal employees who are

17:55

being let go, who are being

17:57

removed, who are being fired in

17:59

the downsizing and scaling back that

18:02

has been going on. A San

18:04

Francisco judge named William Alsop issued

18:07

an injunction, this was last month,

18:09

requiring six federal agencies to reinstate

18:11

the thousands of federal workers, so-called

18:14

probationary employees, he said, until we

18:16

figure out, until we finish all

18:18

the litigation about this, you got

18:21

to reinstate these people. And so,

18:23

Trump appealed to the Supreme Court.

18:25

Good news from that front. The

18:28

US Supreme Court. on Tuesday. So

18:30

yesterday blocked this judge's order and

18:32

basically said that these six agencies

18:35

are allowed to keep these people.

18:37

off the payroll. In other words,

18:39

they remain removed and fired pending

18:42

the litigation. So let's remember that

18:44

all these restraining orders have to

18:47

do with the meantime, with the

18:49

interregnum, with what is the status?

18:51

Who gets to prevail while we're

18:54

waiting for the litigation to take

18:56

place? And the reason this is

18:58

significant is the litigation can take

19:01

months in some cases it could

19:03

take a year. So the question

19:05

is, does Trump get his way

19:08

in the meantime? Or can the

19:10

liberals in a sense cancel out

19:12

Trump's action? Pending the outcome of

19:15

the litigation. It looks like Trump

19:17

is going to win. I've said

19:19

this before, most if not all

19:22

of these suits, and here is

19:24

a good example of it. So

19:27

this is good news. And by

19:29

the way, if you think that

19:31

somehow Trump, with all the stuff

19:34

that he's doing on so many

19:36

different fronts, that people are horrified.

19:38

Here is CNN's poster Harry Enton.

19:41

Quote, he ain't no... lame duck.

19:43

He's a soaring eagle. So what

19:45

Harry Anton is saying is that

19:48

when you look at surveys, the

19:50

vast majority of the American people

19:52

think that Trump is A, very

19:55

powerful, not a lame duck, B,

19:57

exercising his power, and C, and

19:59

this is maybe the most important,

20:02

doing exactly what he said he

20:04

was going to do. And this

20:07

is a key point because it

20:09

is kind of a conventional wisdom

20:11

in American politics that you campaign

20:14

by saying you'll do things George

20:16

W. Bush, oh I'm gonna end

20:18

abortion, then you do nothing. Oh

20:21

I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna

20:23

impose tariffs and then you don't.

20:25

I'm going to make sure that

20:28

Iran doesn't get a nuclear bomb

20:30

and then Iran keeps making progress

20:32

toward a nuclear bomb, you've done

20:35

nothing. I'm going to take back

20:37

to Panama Canal. Remember, Trump's not

20:39

the first person to say it,

20:42

but no one has done it.

20:44

And so this has been a

20:46

standard trope of... campaigning by making

20:49

promises that are then dutifully abandoned.

20:51

And the thing about Trump is

20:54

he campaigned. People ask, what are

20:56

you going to do about American

20:58

jobs? I'm going to put tariffs

21:01

on these companies. I'm going to

21:03

make sure they don't take advantage

21:05

of America. I'm going to bring

21:08

the jobs back to America. That's

21:10

what he campaigned on. And that

21:12

is exactly what he's doing. I'm

21:15

going to cut the waist in

21:17

the government. I'm going to slash

21:19

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21:22

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welcome back to the podcast our

22:43

friend Braden Sorbo. We actually got

22:46

to know Braden through his parents,

22:48

the actor Kevin Sorbo and his

22:50

mom Sam Sorbo who is also

22:52

a radio host. Braden is just

22:54

23 years old, but he is

22:57

wise for his years. He is

22:59

an actor, he is a social

23:01

media guru, he is an author,

23:03

and his book, which is just

23:05

about to come out, it's called

23:07

Embrace Masculinity, great title. His website

23:10

is Braden, B-R-A-E-D-E-N-SORbo, S-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-S-O-O-R-R-O-R-R-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O Braden, great

23:12

to have you. Thanks for joining

23:14

me. You must be excited about

23:16

having this book that is really

23:18

on the verge of coming out.

23:20

And I saw an advanced copy

23:23

thanks to you. And you know,

23:25

this topic is one that is

23:27

generating a lot of traction and

23:29

a lot of interest. I think

23:31

it's because in the younger generation,

23:33

the kind of older... arrangements or

23:36

agreements that seem to guide the

23:38

way that men and women interact

23:40

with each other. meat, fall in

23:42

love, get married, it seems like

23:44

that fabric has has frayed or

23:46

maybe broken down. Can you describe

23:49

if you were for example just

23:51

flashback to say your parents generation

23:53

and yours? What is the key

23:55

difference? And what is the issue

23:57

as you see it? Well the

24:00

key difference is the sexual revolution

24:02

has become... prevalent in mainstream, not

24:04

just, you know, in the Hollywood

24:06

and the music sphere, but because

24:08

those influenced the culture, it's become

24:10

prevalent in the culture. One in

24:13

ten women my age currently have

24:15

an only fans account, and that

24:17

number is set to increase as

24:19

time goes on. We said to

24:21

women, you can go be anything

24:23

you want and do anything you

24:26

want, and one-tenth of them, ten

24:28

percent, decided that they wanted to

24:30

be online prostitutes. It's terrible that

24:32

people are doing the self-degrating thing,

24:34

but it is sort of... prevalent

24:36

in the mainstream because we encourage

24:39

it. And the problem is not

24:41

just women, but the young men

24:43

who are also indulging and purchasing

24:45

and subscribing to these young women.

24:47

Studies are showing right now that

24:49

18 to 25 year olds, there

24:52

was a survey done of them.

24:54

45% had never approached a woman

24:56

in real life because they've been

24:58

taught not to. They've been taught

25:00

that it's much easier to go

25:02

to your phone and to subscribe

25:05

to the girls-only fans than it

25:07

is to actually have a conversation

25:09

where you might end up getting

25:11

rejected. And so this society in

25:13

which we live has sort of

25:16

devolved because of the sexual revolution

25:18

and its consequences. It used to

25:20

be a man would go to

25:22

school, he would graduate, he would

25:24

find a job, he would build

25:26

up his net worth, and then

25:29

he would find a wife that...

25:31

loved him and was willing to

25:33

be with him so that he

25:35

could protect and provide for her.

25:37

I mean the pinnacle of success

25:39

for any man's career and life

25:42

is having a family that loves

25:44

and cherishes him. I mean the

25:46

most extraordinary thing about it is

25:48

about an ordinary man and a

25:50

woman is the fact that they're

25:52

married and have kids right I'm

25:55

pretty sure that C. C.S. Lewis.

25:57

proper family unit in America. And

25:59

so marriages are happening later in

26:01

life and they're less successful and

26:03

less happy divorce rates are up.

26:05

Depression and anxiety is skyrocketing. 70%

26:08

of women are on at least

26:10

one sort of medication at some

26:12

point during their life, if not

26:14

more. 50% of men are following

26:16

suit. I mean we have this

26:19

epidemic in America and it really

26:21

the root of it is the

26:23

fact that we're not able to

26:25

form relationships with people. Now,

26:28

let's talk a little bit about only

26:30

fans because while I've heard of it

26:32

and I kind of know what it

26:34

is, I don't actually know what it

26:37

is. And I'm guessing a lot of

26:39

people who listen or watch this podcast

26:41

maybe are in the same position. You

26:43

use the phrase online prostitutes. What does

26:46

that actually mean? How do you become

26:48

an online prostitute? What do you do

26:50

on only fans? So Only Fans was

26:53

set up as another Patreon subscription service

26:55

thing, but the creators of it had

26:57

previously done sexual pornography, camera, websites, and

26:59

things like that. And so Only Fans

27:02

really caters to that 18-plus demographic. And

27:04

the idea of a girl going on

27:06

Only Fans is she creates an account,

27:08

she sets a monthly price like you

27:11

would on Patreon, except the product that

27:13

she is giving is herself. in sexual

27:15

ways. And so many men are subscribing

27:17

to these girls because the girls are

27:20

willing to have conversations with them and

27:22

it makes them feel wanted. I mean,

27:24

one in three people are considered themselves

27:26

to be lonely in America today. We

27:29

have an epidemic of loneliness. And so

27:31

only fans comes in and fills that

27:33

hole for a lot of these people

27:35

because They get that interaction that they

27:38

so desperately crave the problem is that

27:40

interaction is vapid and fake like none

27:42

of it's real But only fans essentially

27:45

for the viewers out there who aren't

27:47

aware is a website where people are

27:49

prostituting themselves out For a couple dollars

27:51

a month which unfortunately inherently lowers their

27:54

value and it's not a permanent lower

27:56

like I would love for these people

27:58

to get off and change But if

28:00

you are putting yourself on that website

28:03

for $5 a month, then you have

28:05

set your value at a McDonald's cheeseburger.

28:07

And if you were a man subscribing

28:09

to this for $5 a month, you

28:12

have set your value as a McDonald's

28:14

cheeseburger. So what you're saying, Braden, is

28:16

that as a consequence of perhaps a

28:18

sexual revolution, the women that men once

28:21

wanted to marry. have now adopted a

28:23

different goal. And their goal is not

28:25

necessarily to be the wife and mom,

28:27

it is to be myself, it is

28:30

to be a boss, it is to

28:32

do what I want to do and

28:34

be what I want to be. And

28:37

you're saying that this new package, if

28:39

you will, turns off a lot of

28:41

guys who go, well, I don't actually

28:43

like these real women and what they

28:46

have to offer. And so I'm now

28:48

going to go into sort of fantasy

28:50

world and I'm going to find a

28:52

woman on only fans or online and

28:55

interact in this kind of twisted artificial

28:57

way. And that's going to substitute for

28:59

having a real relationship. And so what

29:01

you end up with are. neither women

29:04

that men want or men that women

29:06

don't want either because I doubt any

29:08

woman is going to go yeah I

29:10

really want to marry one of these

29:13

regular only fans patrons right so you've

29:15

created in a sense undesirable men and

29:17

undesirable women is that what you're saying

29:19

that is exactly what I'm saying actually

29:22

yes the the situation in which we

29:24

live was men like I said at

29:26

the beginning built up their value and

29:29

then a woman they would marry would

29:31

respect and love them it's really hard

29:33

to respect your significant other if you're

29:35

posting yourself naked online for people to

29:38

see it's really hard to have that

29:40

level of respect for your spouse when

29:42

you are offering the parts of you

29:44

that should be private and within marriage

29:47

only to the rest of the world

29:49

and so men are essentially I call

29:51

them the Peter Pan Neverland boys like

29:53

they're staying you know that's the lost

29:56

boys over on the island refusing to

29:58

grow up because the rewards of growing

30:00

up which were a successful marriage have

30:02

essentially diminished and the problem is I

30:05

say that this generation my generation Genesee

30:07

has the hardest battle of all time

30:09

with lust and pornography being so rampant

30:11

on my phone I have access to

30:14

more than King Solomon did who had

30:16

700 wives or 700 concubines and 300

30:18

wives I have more access to lustful

30:21

content than the greatest kings of the

30:23

old world. So this battle is about

30:25

accessibility and the problem is when people

30:27

make themselves accessible to everybody, they become

30:30

limited in how much they can give

30:32

to one person because they lose satisfaction

30:34

with one person and it destroys kind

30:36

of this idea that was instituted by

30:39

God as marriage. And so it really

30:41

is up to men to... changed the

30:43

tides of battle to lead properly without,

30:45

and this is for the first time

30:48

in history, without a reward, or at

30:50

least the promise of a reward. Men

30:52

used to go fight battles, they used

30:54

to go do great things with the

30:57

promise of building up a legacy, that

30:59

being children and a wife. That promise

31:01

is not there anymore. And so these

31:03

men in my generation, we have to

31:06

be willing to make a stand and

31:08

take the fight without essentially a guarantee.

31:10

that there will be a light at

31:13

the end of the tunnel other than

31:15

living our lives as best as we

31:17

can. And are you saying, Braden, that

31:19

if you, if we can see this

31:22

kind of cultural shift on the part

31:24

of men, that it will then produce

31:26

a cultural shift on the part of

31:28

women? In other words, I think what

31:31

you're saying is, and I'm not disagreeing

31:33

with it, but I'm just spelling it

31:35

out. You're recommending a kind of soft

31:37

patriarchy in which in which men take

31:40

the lead right because the theory of

31:42

our culture is that no one should

31:44

take the lead and that everybody should

31:46

be kind of Everyone should be doing

31:49

their own thing but I think what

31:51

you're saying is as a group men

31:53

should lead and if they do lead

31:55

they will find that the women are

31:58

on on board with them. Yes men

32:00

were created to lead that's all it

32:02

is it's women were made to follow

32:05

and submit themselves to the man. That

32:07

is not an order of hierarchy as

32:09

in one is better than the other.

32:11

Jesus submitted to the will of the

32:14

father. Jesus is not less than God.

32:16

He just realized that there was a

32:18

divine order instituted in the creation of

32:20

the world and he followed it. So

32:23

there's a great quote that I like

32:25

to say and I use it in

32:27

the book as well. I say that

32:29

Eve was not taken from Adam's head

32:32

so that she would. Lorded over him,

32:34

she was not taken from Adam's feet

32:36

so that he would walk over her.

32:38

She was taken from his rib to

32:41

be next to him, from under his

32:43

arm to be protected by him, and

32:45

from next to his heart to be

32:47

loved by him. There is a divine

32:50

order created in the universe. And chapter

32:52

three, I believe, of the book is

32:54

called the War Between the Patriarchies. It

32:57

is not a matter of if a

32:59

man is going to lead. That is

33:01

never the question and it never will

33:03

be. It is a matter of which.

33:06

all of the resources that they have

33:08

to destroy what masculinity is in order

33:10

to prevent an uprising of good men.

33:12

And so it is up to the

33:15

good men to fight back. And if

33:17

the men do, eventually the tides will

33:19

turn because the women will follow. That's

33:21

just how it's going to be. And

33:24

as much as people might want to

33:26

argue with it, they simply can't because

33:28

this is how we are genetically hardwired

33:30

from the moment of conception. One thing

33:33

I noticed, Brad, and this is earlier,

33:35

this is sort of before your time,

33:37

but going back to the era of

33:39

feminism, I noticed something really strange, and

33:42

that is that you have all these

33:44

women Betty Ferdinand and Gloria Steinham, Jane

33:46

Fonda, and they were like screaming for

33:49

women's sexuality and women's rights, and I

33:51

noticed that cheering them were basically all

33:53

the male pornographers. So you'd have a...

33:55

You know, Larry Flint and you'd have

33:58

Bob Guccioni. And so in other words,

34:00

the guy from Penhouse, the guy from

34:02

Playboy, the guy from Hustler, they were

34:04

all there saying feminism, yes, we afford

34:07

it. And so at the time, the

34:09

connection between this kind of porn revolution

34:11

and the feminist revolution were not exactly

34:13

clear. But I think now we have

34:16

seen it play out in such a

34:18

way that. the liberation for women has

34:20

turned out to be a very dubious

34:22

and ambiguous type of liberation and in

34:25

fact one that has played into the

34:27

hands of these peddlers of porn it

34:29

was subversive it was 100% a tactic

34:31

by weak men who wanted to take

34:34

and use women for their bodies and

34:36

nothing more that's that's exactly what it

34:38

is the weakest thing a man can

34:41

do is have sex with a woman

34:43

and not marry her right that is

34:45

the baseline of an immature Adolescent man.

34:47

And so, and I can't even call

34:50

them men, they're boys. And so we

34:52

see this all throughout the pornography industry

34:54

as well. Alvin Goldstein is known as

34:56

the father of hardcore pornography in America.

34:59

He was quoted as saying we, the

35:01

people in porn, hate Jesus. And so

35:03

we aim to destroy his daughters by

35:05

using them in porn, right? He aims

35:08

to desecrate. What it means to be

35:10

married what it means to have sex

35:12

and so like you're saying all of

35:14

these pornographic Content creators back in the

35:17

70s and 80s with Jane Fonda and

35:19

all the actresses screaming for sexual liberation.

35:21

We're cheering it on for a reason

35:23

And there's a reason why weak men

35:26

love abortion, it's because it frees them

35:28

of the consequences of having premarital sex,

35:30

right? That is why abortion, when it

35:33

was passed, was so rampantly accepted by

35:35

women, because women said, we want to

35:37

be like men, except they want to

35:39

be like men, except they want to

35:42

be like men, except they want to

35:44

be like the men that they condemn,

35:46

the bad men who go out and

35:48

have one night stands and leave a

35:51

cake, right, that doesn't make any sense.

35:53

And so. What the sexual liberation movement,

35:55

I say liberation, but it really was

35:57

more of a sexual slavery movement did.

36:00

was it freed people of the consequences

36:02

of their actions, but bound their souls.

36:04

And so now we have to fight.

36:06

back against that. And that is why

36:09

I say it's an uphill battle because

36:11

this is something that many people, although

36:13

they are slowly starting to wake up

36:15

to in my generation, are struggling with

36:18

greatly. I mean the past election, more

36:20

young men voted red than ever before

36:22

and more young women voted blue than

36:25

ever before. Out of a poll, 67%

36:27

of young women, Gen Z women, said

36:29

that their biggest election issue was abortion.

36:31

Not the economy, not the border, not

36:34

mass immigration, like illegal immigration, not the

36:36

stock market, nothing. But

36:38

abortion young men all of the other

36:40

issues the border security the economy men

36:42

wanted to take care of their communities

36:45

and their families and the women wanted

36:47

the right to kill a baby in

36:49

their womb Right so there is a

36:51

deep divide right now happening in my

36:53

generation Which is why I keep saying

36:55

this book is so necessary because this

36:58

is the handbook This is the guide

37:00

for young women on the steps to

37:02

take to achieve the righteous means I

37:06

mean for sure Braden, embrace masculinity,

37:08

that's the title of the book.

37:11

And I think that even though

37:13

what you're describing is, you know,

37:15

uphill, there is a wide recognition

37:18

that something has gone wrong, right?

37:20

The boys know it, the men

37:23

know it, the women know it,

37:25

they both know it. And if

37:27

I think to myself, why would

37:30

women be such fervent advocates of

37:32

abortion? It seems to me that

37:34

one reason for that quite likely

37:37

is that they feel like, guess

37:39

what? You know, my boyfriend or

37:42

the guy who produced this kid

37:44

is not going to be around

37:46

to raise it. So I can't

37:49

count on some guy to do

37:51

that. And conversely, the guy in

37:54

the picture is basically saying, guess

37:56

what? It wasn't my choice to

37:58

have this child. We have abortion.

38:01

being legal, if the woman chooses

38:03

to have the child, well, that's

38:06

her choice. I wasn't consulted. I

38:08

don't get parental rights unless the

38:10

woman says so. And so this

38:13

is a complete breakdown in which

38:15

both sides in a sense are

38:18

incentivized to produce, I think, destructive

38:21

behavior because neither can kind

38:23

of count on the other.

38:25

Yeah, without a doubt. We have desecrated what

38:27

marriage is. We've made it this sort of

38:29

like, oh, get married, you know, it's a

38:31

legal thing. It doesn't really have much of

38:33

a purpose other than, you know, you get

38:36

to file taxes differently. And if you want,

38:38

maybe have some kids when you're in your

38:40

30s and 40s, like who really cares. Marriage

38:42

is a sacred matrimony. You cannot. get divorced.

38:44

If we make marriage serious again in

38:46

this country, if we bring this country

38:49

back to a standard of morality that

38:51

is higher than what we currently have,

38:53

people will begin to take it more

38:55

seriously. The first, the abortion laws need

38:58

to be redacted. Abortion needs to

39:00

be fully abolished. Second, though,

39:02

we need to force men to stay. Because like

39:04

you touched on, these men are going, well,

39:06

I don't really have a say in the

39:08

kids, so we need to make it that

39:10

the men and the women must work together

39:12

in this, as opposed to pitting them against

39:15

each other. Because right now, men are avoiding

39:17

marriage because the court system favors women. Men

39:19

get married, they provide financial security, stability, all

39:21

of these things. Women are providing nurturing, love,

39:23

sex, you know, things like that. And then

39:25

they get divorced and the women don't have

39:27

to provide that anymore, but if they have

39:29

kids, the men still have to provide everything

39:32

that they did when they were married. So

39:34

guys are afraid of marriage, wholeheartedly, a lot

39:36

of young men are afraid of marriage because

39:38

the courts are stacked against them. But if

39:40

we take marriage seriously, if we bring ourselves

39:43

back to this standard of morality, where marriage

39:45

is more than just a contract between two

39:47

people to live together and maybe have a

39:49

kid for a time being, we make marriage

39:52

this union where two people are working together

39:54

to get the other to heaven, those people

39:56

will stay together. Studies show that couples

39:58

that pray together. every single day

40:01

having 99% chance of success in a

40:03

marriage. 99%! That's statistically pretty much

40:05

as good as you can get

40:07

because nothing's ever going to be

40:09

perfect. And so we need to

40:12

bring back the morality in marriage

40:14

if we want this country to

40:16

succeed because right now we are

40:18

Close to the brink of collapse with everything

40:20

going on with with how society is

40:22

drifting away people are fighting more and

40:24

more and more every single day we

40:26

need to bring morality back into the

40:28

conversation which a lot of people are

40:30

afraid to do Guys the book is

40:32

Embrace Masculinity it's written by Braden Sorbo

40:35

follow him on X at Braden B-R-A-E-D-E-N

40:37

Sorbo and the website Braden sorbo.com Braden

40:39

great job and we're all excited about

40:42

this book we're gonna buy a bunch

40:44

of copies ourselves we've got some young

40:46

people in our family and extended family

40:48

and we're gonna be sharing your message

40:51

so thanks for joining me. Well thank

40:53

you for having me I'm excited

40:55

that people are hopefully going to be

40:57

checking this out I'm

41:00

in the section of my

41:02

book on Reagan in

41:04

which I'm outlining Reagan's

41:06

unusual qualities and

41:09

the qualities that made

41:11

him so effective and

41:13

throughout I'm comparing Reagan's

41:16

qualities with trumps. They

41:18

are similar in some ways

41:20

but quite opposed in others.

41:23

So I want to begin

41:25

here with the topic of

41:27

pragmatism. because Reagan was

41:29

both a visionary and

41:31

a pragmatist. So

41:34

not one as opposed to the other,

41:36

but the two in tandem. How are

41:38

they compatible? How can

41:40

you be a visionary and

41:43

a pragmatist? Well, you're a

41:45

visionary in goals. This is where

41:47

I want to go. You're a

41:49

pragmatist in means, or you're

41:51

a pragmatist in how you

41:53

go about it. and there

41:55

were these pragmatists in the

41:57

in the White House and

42:00

They had disagreements with

42:02

Reagan, but nevertheless

42:04

Reagan somehow got his

42:06

agenda through Reagan could Use

42:09

them to his benefit, but

42:11

some of them thought that they

42:13

were sort of Had a better idea

42:15

of how to do things than

42:18

Reagan But interestingly

42:20

you could test this by seeing

42:22

how they fared when they

42:24

were detached from Reagan Many

42:26

of these aides went on

42:28

to careers in the Bush

42:30

administration and guess what? They didn't

42:33

do so well, which tells

42:35

me that their pragmatism was

42:37

effective only when it was

42:39

attached to Reagan's kind of

42:42

visionary... perspective. Without

42:44

the perspective pragmatism kind of

42:46

loses its mooring, it's kind

42:48

of like saying I'm debating

42:50

whether to use a car

42:52

or a train or a

42:54

plane, but quite honestly, I

42:56

don't know where I'm going.

42:58

This was the problem with these

43:01

pragmatists when they didn't

43:03

have a Reagan to tell them

43:05

that's where we're going, but... He

43:07

was also in some ways a

43:10

man unto himself. And here's what

43:12

I mean. He was uniformly pleasant,

43:14

fair-minded with his aides, but you

43:17

never got the sense that he

43:19

was all that close to any

43:21

of them. Even Ed Meese, a

43:23

good friend of Reagan, going back

43:25

to the California days, they

43:28

were friendly, but I don't know

43:30

if they were close friends. It's

43:32

almost like Reagan saw these guys

43:34

as kind of people he dealt

43:36

with, kind of fellow passengers on

43:38

a journey, but when his path

43:41

went a different way from theirs,

43:43

in a way Reagan never stayed

43:45

in touch. I remember once hearing

43:47

one of the Reaganites complain

43:50

that he worked with Reagan

43:52

like almost daily, but he

43:54

said after Reagan left office, he

43:56

goes, I never heard from the guy,

43:58

not a phone call. Never. So, in

44:00

some ways, these inner circle of

44:02

Reagan became a little frustrated

44:04

with Reagan. In fact, this

44:06

is one of the reasons

44:08

why some of these people

44:10

subsequently wrote memoirs, wrote accounts

44:12

of their time in the

44:15

Reagan White House, and if you

44:17

read these accounts, they are not all

44:19

that favorable to Reagan. Even

44:21

the ones that are favorable,

44:23

you can tell there's a

44:26

begrudging quality to them. And

44:28

I think part of it is this,

44:30

that these are people who wanted to

44:32

be in Reagan's inner circle. And

44:34

they kind of fought their way up the

44:36

ranks. And then finally they

44:38

realize, guess what? There is no inner

44:40

circle. It's only Reagan. Reagan is

44:43

the only member of his inner

44:45

circle. And so this annoyed them

44:47

and frustrated them. In other

44:49

words, part of the reason for

44:51

this is the AIDS realized that

44:53

they were kind of dispensable. They

44:55

were not the source of Reagan's

44:58

ideas really. And in fact, they

45:00

didn't even make any of the

45:02

major decisions. Reagan did. And

45:05

sometimes over their strong

45:07

objections. In Reagan's two terms,

45:09

he went through four White

45:11

House Chiefs of Staff, six

45:13

national security advisors, many of

45:15

the cabinet members were swapped

45:18

out. And somehow people came

45:20

and people went, but Reagan

45:22

forged ahead and Reagan's

45:25

agenda forged ahead. Speechwriters

45:27

came and went, but Reagan's

45:30

message remained the same.

45:32

Reagan had acquaintances, but

45:34

as far as I could

45:36

see, he did not have real

45:39

friends. And this was hard for

45:41

people to notice because outwardly, Reagan

45:44

was very friendly. He

45:46

liked people in general. But

45:48

I guess what I'm saying is he

45:50

liked people in general, but he

45:52

was kind of indifferent to Tom

45:54

or Dick or Harry. So he

45:57

liked people as people, but

45:59

he wasn't. particularly close

46:01

to any particular person. And I

46:03

think this is part of what

46:05

made Don Regan, who was Reagan's

46:07

chief of staff, particularly annoyed. They

46:10

were both Irishmen, they were roughly

46:12

the same age. I think Regan

46:14

saw himself as having had a

46:16

more impressive career. He had been

46:18

the head of a major investment

46:20

company beforehand and I think he

46:23

thought he came in ahead of

46:25

Regan and then he discovered that

46:27

not only was he not ahead

46:29

of Regan, but Reagan liked him

46:31

but could have done without him

46:33

and Regan was like I can't

46:35

believe this guy and And perhaps

46:38

this can be seen as a

46:40

flaw in Reagan's character. I don't

46:42

know but in some ways I

46:44

think it also helped Reagan to

46:46

endure all these critiques even from

46:48

people who are right around him

46:51

It was that Reagan genuinely didn't

46:53

care. He genuinely was his own

46:55

man in that sense and this

46:57

detachment that I'm talking about Which

46:59

is Very characteristic of Reagan. By

47:01

the way, not characteristic of Trump.

47:03

This is the way in which

47:06

Reagan and Trump are quite different.

47:08

Trump is outwardly less friendly than

47:10

Reagan. When you look at Trump,

47:12

he doesn't have that geniality that

47:14

Reagan had where Reagan could make

47:16

you feel at ease, make you

47:19

feel at home. But yet Trump

47:21

is far more dependent on people

47:23

than Reagan. Trump genuinely needs people.

47:25

He needs their reaction. He needs

47:27

their approbation. And he's more needy

47:29

in that sense. Reagan was less

47:31

so. Reagan was more detached, even

47:34

with his own family. Now, his

47:36

first wife, Jane Wyman, once said

47:38

that this was the reason that

47:40

she left. that Reagan was sort

47:42

of there, but he like wasn't

47:44

really there. And we see this

47:47

with Reagan's kids. Reagan was, Reagan

47:49

had problems with both his kids

47:51

with Nancy Reagan, now they were

47:53

both liberals. Ron Reagan Jr. who

47:55

I can testify from personal experience

47:57

is a major ass. But so

47:59

I can kind of see why

48:02

Reagan was like, how do you

48:04

deal with this guy? But Reagan

48:06

didn't get along any better with

48:08

Patty Davis, who was his daughter

48:10

from with Nancy Reagan. And to

48:12

be honest, he wasn't all that

48:15

close to Maureen Reagan, and not

48:17

even to, perhaps he was the

48:19

closest to Michael Reagan, who was

48:21

ironically adopted. the adopted son, but

48:23

even with Michael Reagan, you got

48:25

the sense that Reagan dealt with

48:27

him as a caring parent, but

48:30

they weren't all that they weren't

48:32

all that close. I write here,

48:34

even his children felt the icy

48:36

blast of his emotional withdrawal. Reagan

48:38

was in fact close to Nancy

48:40

Reagan. And many people in fact

48:42

came to believe that Nancy Reagan

48:45

was really running the White House.

48:47

There are all these articles. Nancy

48:49

is the power behind the throne.

48:51

And all of this I can

48:53

tell you is someone kind of

48:55

in that circle myself and obviously

48:58

dealing daily with people who had

49:00

interactions with Reagan. Nancy did not

49:02

run the White House, not at

49:04

all. In fact, Nancy was a

49:06

socialite. she didn't care about politics.

49:08

She cared about Reagan and she

49:10

did get involved but usually she

49:13

got involved when she thought that

49:15

there was some kind of inside

49:17

attempt to undermine Reagan or and

49:19

she saw these inside attempts by

49:21

the way coming from all directions

49:23

including from the right-wing conservatives and

49:26

so some of the right-wing conservatives

49:28

didn't like Nancy Reagan because they

49:30

basically thought that she was some

49:32

kind of a secret liberal but

49:34

she wasn't a secret conservative she

49:36

was kind of a secret nothing

49:38

and I think I captured it

49:41

myself when I went said that

49:43

Reagan's, in fact I should close

49:45

this this segment on a story,

49:47

I was speaking at the Reagan

49:49

library and and I had a

49:51

kind of a whimsical funny talk

49:54

about Reagan but in this particular

49:56

case Nancy Reagan was in the

49:58

audience and sitting like in the

50:00

third row. I don't remember if

50:02

any of the other Reagan kids

50:04

were there but I don't remember

50:06

Nancy Reagan was there and in

50:09

the speech I fired off this

50:11

line. I go, well, people say

50:13

that Nancy Reagan was running the

50:15

show. I said, but Nancy Reagan

50:17

doesn't care about politics. I go,

50:19

you know, Reagan's hero was Calvin

50:22

Coolidge and Nancy's hero is Calvin

50:24

Klein. So this was a way

50:26

of highlighting that she cared about

50:28

handbags and designers and her best

50:30

friend was Betsy Bloomingdale of Bloomingdale's

50:32

fame. And so this is who

50:34

Nancy Reagan was. Like now when

50:37

when she got involved in things

50:39

she often, you know made enemies

50:41

and she's like we got to

50:43

get rid of this guy But

50:45

as I said her motive was

50:47

To protect her husband. She didn't

50:50

really care about tax cuts or

50:52

strategic defense or the contrast and

50:54

quite honestly She never to whatever

50:56

her views on those things it

50:58

never affected Reagan. He maintained his

51:00

steady course on those things and

51:02

so I sum up by saying

51:05

the I'm quoting myself now, and

51:07

I'm reading from the book. The

51:09

portrait of Reagan that emerges from

51:11

this book is one of a

51:13

complex man, hardly the one-dimensional figure

51:15

that both his admirers and critics

51:18

are used to. He's larger than

51:20

life. There's much about leadership that

51:22

we can learn from him today.

51:24

Our world is the world that

51:26

he made, and I think that

51:28

the Reagan revolution which began in

51:30

1980... had a pretty long-lasting effect.

51:33

I mean, it's pretty amazing if

51:35

you can have an effect that

51:37

lasts, let's say, a quarter of

51:39

a century, and Reagan did. All

51:41

the way from 1980 until, I

51:43

think, 2008, the... Obama

51:46

came in, he came

51:48

came in with

51:50

the specific intention

51:52

of undoing the

51:54

Reagan or at at

51:56

least undoing the

51:58

effects of the

52:01

Reagan Revolution to

52:03

the degree he

52:05

could. he could. And

52:07

so you'd have

52:09

to say that

52:11

in 2008 the Reagan

52:14

era ended and

52:16

something new and I

52:18

and I think

52:20

darker, more malevolent

52:22

began And we we

52:24

can understand Trump

52:26

as a reaction

52:29

to a response

52:31

to to. thing that

52:33

started with Obama

52:35

in 2008. started with

52:37

Obama in 2008.