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1:09

I'd like to offer some thoughts on the

1:11

Tyree Nichols, killing. Thiry

1:14

Nichols is a black

1:16

guy lived in the area

1:18

of Memphis And

1:21

on January seventh of this year,

1:23

he was in his car. According

1:26

to police driving recklessly,

1:29

although we haven't seen any video

1:31

of that. The police nevertheless

1:34

and this part of it is on video.

1:36

They pull

1:39

him over and then

1:41

they walk up to the car and

1:43

yank him out of the car and

1:46

tell him to get on the ground, he

1:49

seems to be complying. He

1:51

says, okay, okay, okay, man. And

1:54

while he's on the ground, they they

1:57

tase him. They hit him with a taser

1:59

at which point. I think natural

2:02

flight kicks in and he

2:05

he begins to run. So they chase

2:07

him down and unbelievably

2:10

beat him to death. So

2:13

this is anyone who's seen

2:15

the video, Debbie and I watched it. I watched

2:18

and watch one version of it. Yesterday,

2:20

I watched another version this morning,

2:23

it's really hard to justify, in

2:25

fact, Debbie's reaction, which she goes, well, this

2:27

is worse than what Derek Chauvin did

2:29

to George Floyd. This is

2:31

inexcusable. However,

2:33

the the

2:37

policeman, the four cops who did this,

2:40

were black. There wasn't

2:42

a white policeman involved at all.

2:45

And so for the left, this has become a

2:47

little bit of a problem. Obviously, it

2:49

is a case. I think

2:51

it's a clear case for anyone who sees the video.

2:54

Of police brutality. And

2:57

the arrest of these four cops and the

3:01

the four oh, it's

3:03

five cops. Debbie says, five cops who

3:06

apparently are gonna be charged with kidnapping

3:08

and with second degree murder.

3:10

Now the kidnapping to me is a little weird.

3:13

It's true that they sort of

3:15

pulled him out of the car and one could argue

3:17

to possession of him, but I don't think that really

3:19

makes any sense. They weren't kidnapping him.

3:21

But the second degree murder charge,

3:23

in other words, cops out of control, that

3:25

is quite evident if you watch

3:28

the watch the

3:30

footage. But but

3:32

this is black on black. AND IN

3:34

A CITY WHERE THE POLICE CAPTAIN SAW

3:37

A STATEMENT THAT SHE MADE BLACK WOMAN MAYOR

3:39

OF THE CITY IS BLACK, SO IT'S A BLACK POLITICAL

3:41

ESTABLISHMENT So this is police

3:43

brutality, but it's not it's

3:45

not race. It's not a racial issue.

3:48

But for the left, it has to be a racist

3:50

issue. It has to be a racial issue. So

3:52

how do you make a non racial issue

3:54

into a racial issue? Well, the short

3:56

answer is that you argued that white supremacy

3:59

operates its machinations in such

4:01

a way that it can even make

4:03

black cops behave in this way.

4:06

And I saw a comment

4:10

by Joe

4:12

Walsh. It doesn't matter what race the cops

4:14

are. It only matters what race Tyria Nichols

4:17

was. Actually,

4:20

the race of both matters. And you know

4:22

why, really, for two reasons. The first

4:24

one is, City

4:27

of Memphis, this

4:29

was a few years ago back to twenty twenty,

4:31

implemented an expanded affirmative

4:34

action program. It was a diversity

4:36

program. Our police forces not sufficiently

4:39

diverse. And apparently, they felt that the

4:41

old hiring standards were too rigorous.

4:43

This always happens with affirmative action.

4:45

You start hiring people who don't

4:47

meet the standards, who knows what the

4:49

level of training is that's given to those

4:51

people. And then on top of that, this is the

4:53

point that Debbie is making. And she's like,

4:55

listen, the left hostility to

4:57

the idea of the cops, defund

5:00

the police, demoralize the police department.

5:02

And so as a result, in high crime

5:04

cities. And by the way, Memphis is

5:06

a dangerous town. We

5:09

were there, gosh, what two months ago, I

5:11

guess, it was maybe a little longer

5:13

or last summer. And

5:16

there was a little Memphis kind

5:18

of seafood restaurant that was just

5:20

two blocks from our hotel.

5:22

And yet at the moment, Debbie and I stepped on the

5:24

street just to walk two blocks, we felt

5:26

suddenly this kind of you know, that queasy

5:28

feeling you just get when you feel a little unsafe.

5:30

You're sort of looking over your shoulder.

5:33

You're you're just you're just uneasy

5:35

about it because it it's not a safe

5:37

environment. So this is

5:39

obviously not gonna be an easy

5:41

job for cops to function in.

5:43

There's a I'm quite sure there's a and

5:45

you you see this on the video. There's a the cops

5:47

are in a hair trigger mode.

5:49

I mean, they are they will take

5:52

they are ready to move, ready to

5:54

act, and and quick to act, and I would

5:56

argue, in this case, clearly

5:59

precipitous I mean, there was

6:01

no reason to tase that kid. There

6:03

was no reason to beat him like that. And at

6:05

one point, you know, Tyree

6:07

Nichols calls out to his mom

6:10

I mean, it's downright heartbreaking. You

6:12

could it's almost hard to hard

6:14

to watch. It's important

6:16

for us to realize that when for those of

6:18

us, so we, you know, we back the blue.

6:20

But we don't lock back the blue

6:22

indiscriminately. We back the

6:24

blue for protecting us, for doing their

6:26

job, for for following

6:28

their training, for

6:31

for keeping us safe in in all

6:33

senses of the term. I mean, I wouldn't

6:35

feel safe if I was driving in Memphis

6:37

and felt the cops have the right just

6:39

to pull me over, no Miranda

6:41

rights, no you know, turn over your license,

6:43

just drag the guy out of the car, start,

6:45

you know, tasing him, beating him. This

6:47

is ridiculous. This should not be allowed.

6:49

This has gotta be stopped. And

6:52

it's got to be stopped through

6:55

accountability. So I'm glad accountability does

6:58

appear to be occurring here. I have a lot more

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there's a lot of other stuff going on in the news.

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of the Twitter Files. Reported

8:02

by Matt Tybee is

8:04

not about censorship per se.

8:07

It is about the use of

8:09

the media. As

8:11

a vehicle for a

8:13

systematic procession of

8:16

lies. In this case, the lie

8:18

is that the Russians are

8:20

actively interfering in

8:22

US elections. And there

8:24

are hundreds of accounts,

8:27

maybe thousands of accounts that

8:29

are nothing more than Russian bots and

8:31

Russian propaganda that is

8:33

being, you may say, engineered

8:36

out of Moscow. It's

8:38

Putin's hand that is behind all this.

8:40

Now, there was an organization that

8:42

claimed to have a tracking

8:45

mechanism and a dashboard in

8:48

which they would list

8:50

these accounts, reveal

8:52

them to be the product of

8:54

Russian disinformation, and

8:56

they were trying to do two things. One is

8:58

to get the media to cover this

9:00

story. Of Russia

9:03

involvement in US elections,

9:05

Russian disinformation on

9:07

social media platforms like Twitter.

9:10

The group that was doing this have maintained the

9:12

dashboard was called Hamilton

9:14

sixty eight. And when you look at

9:16

Hamilton sixty eight and it's Board of

9:18

Directors. It's people like

9:20

Bill Crystal, the Never

9:22

Trumper. Michael

9:25

Chardoff, former head, I believe, of

9:27

Homeland Security. Michael

9:30

McFall, who is a professor I

9:32

believe now at Stanford University,

9:34

John Podesta, formerly

9:37

the head of the Hilary four

9:39

America. So this is the the

9:41

never Trump Neil

9:43

Conn's and the left. And

9:45

also people who are, like, deputy heads

9:47

of the CIA NSA. So this

9:49

is deep state meets never

9:51

Trump. Meets the left.

9:53

And these are becoming increasingly, by

9:55

the way, the same people.

9:58

And so, Hamilton sixty eight said that

10:00

they were They maintained this

10:02

dashboard, and they

10:04

would identify these these

10:07

sites. But as Twitter

10:09

began to look into it, And this is Twitter,

10:11

by the way, before Elon Musk.

10:13

This is this is Twitter in

10:15

the old regime. They

10:17

realized that Hamilton sixty eight was

10:19

putting out complete lies. In fact,

10:21

here is a statement by

10:23

Twitter from the internal communications I

10:25

think we need to call this out on the b

10:27

s it is. Here's another

10:29

comment by by Twitter. This is the

10:31

Twitter checkers inside of Twitter.

10:34

Falsely accuses a bunch of

10:36

legitimate right leaning accounts

10:38

of being Russian bots. So

10:40

Twitter knew that these

10:42

people were liars that these weren't

10:44

Russian bots. In fact, in some cases,

10:46

they're well known conservatives. There's

10:48

a list of them that Matt Ivy provides. One

10:50

of them is this guy fact, honey, you'll get a

10:52

good chuckle out of this. This is the

10:55

that fellow, you know, Dennis Michael

10:57

Lynch or whatever his name is. He was

10:59

identified as a Russian bot

11:01

by by by Hamilton

11:03

sixty eight. And Matt Taube

11:05

calls up and then he goes, well, I'm, you know,

11:07

I'm I'm the son of a veteran.

11:09

I'm I'm very much a real American.

11:11

I'm a US citizen. I'm just a normal

11:13

guy trying to put out social media.

11:15

Because this is absurd. This is

11:17

nonsense. But the point is Twitter knew it

11:19

was nonsense. But here interestingly,

11:21

the plot thickens. Because

11:23

inside of Twitter, you've got a

11:25

bunch of people. Who by the

11:27

way, some of them later went on to work

11:29

for the Biden administration.

11:34

And and they began to

11:36

fight inside of Twitter not to

11:38

expose this Hamilton sixty eight

11:40

operation. So in other words,

11:42

here's Twitter. From its internal review

11:44

saying, quote, these accounts are

11:46

neither strongly Russian nor

11:48

strongly bots. No evidence

11:50

to support the statement that the dash board

11:52

is the finger on the pulse of Russian

11:54

information ops, quote,

11:56

hardly illuminating a massive influence

11:59

operation. There are hardly any Russians. Mostly

12:02

ordinary Americans, Canadians, and

12:04

British. And

12:06

so it turns out

12:08

that that this hamilton sixty eight

12:10

was a fraudulent operation

12:12

really from top to bottom. By the

12:14

way, ham this group has now put

12:16

statement basically saying, and I

12:18

sort of a paraphrase, some

12:20

accounts we track are automated bots, some are

12:22

trolls, and some are real users. In

12:24

other words, They're now admitting that their site is

12:26

largely useless. And they go on

12:28

to say, quote, it would therefore be

12:30

incorrect without further analysis

12:32

to label anyone or anything that

12:34

appears on the dashboard as being

12:36

connected to state back propaganda.

12:38

So they're now admitting that this

12:40

was essentially a

12:42

bogus operation, but a bogus

12:44

operation that Twitter knew about

12:46

and yet Twitter didn't blow the whistle on

12:48

them. In fact, here

12:51

is here are here

12:53

are some Twitter executives that

13:00

resisted the idea of outing these guys.

13:02

Now, this is strangely a case where

13:04

you'll rot. Who was one of the

13:06

content moderating main guys of Twitter was a

13:08

was a good guy. Yolrat says,

13:10

quote, my recommendation at this stage is an

13:12

ultimatum. You release the

13:14

list or we do. He wanted to bust

13:16

this group, by the way, the group is

13:18

alliance for securing democracy.

13:20

They're actively involved with Hamilton

13:23

sixty eight. But Emily

13:25

Horn, who then goes on, by the

13:27

way, to work for the White House and work for the

13:29

NSC, we have to be careful in how much

13:31

we push back on ASD. Publicly.

13:33

In other words, ASD is our friend.

13:36

They're on our side. And then

13:38

similarly, a guy, Carlos Monge, who

13:40

goes on to become senior advisor

13:42

to Buttigieg, the transportation office.

13:45

I've been frustrated in not calling out

13:47

Hamilton sixty eight more publicly,

13:49

but understand we have to play a longer

13:51

game here. In other words, let's

13:53

not call them out publicly even

13:56

though we know that they're putting out complete

13:58

lies. So what

14:00

a sad and disgusting story

14:03

of the way in which Bill Crystal,

14:06

Michael McFall, Odesta,

14:08

And all these bad guys, this is the

14:10

the swampiest of the swamp

14:12

creatures. And and these are

14:14

people by the way who make a lot of money

14:16

out of this lying career. That they've

14:18

now set up for themselves. Similarly, Michael

14:20

McFall of Stanford, he's constantly putting

14:22

out pompous tweets acting like he's kind

14:24

of some biller of moral rectitude.

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No. These are basically termites.

14:31

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Patriot. Ronan McDaniel

15:45

has been reelected

15:47

as the chairwoman of

15:49

the Republican National Committee.

15:52

I was hoping that would

15:54

not be the case. I

15:56

don't normally get very involved

15:58

in these kinds of races, but

16:00

I think I felt

16:02

as well as Rhonda Sanddiss

16:04

did. That when you

16:06

got an operation that is

16:08

consistently losing, producing

16:10

bad results, think of

16:12

corporate CEOs got

16:14

bad earnings for four years in a

16:16

row, and Ronan

16:18

McDaniel produced bad results in two

16:20

thousand eighteen to thousand twenty, two

16:22

thousand twenty two. And I'm not saying this

16:24

is single handedly her

16:26

fault, but the Republican National Committee

16:28

is in fact the organization that is

16:30

in charge of

16:33

managing the strategy for the GOP,

16:35

for the Republican Party

16:37

in elections. It's got resources to

16:39

do it. It's got the strategic ability

16:42

to do it. It is involved in races

16:45

across the country. So

16:48

Who else are you gonna blame if not the

16:50

RNC? Army

16:52

Dillon, my friend, Army Dillon, fellow

16:55

Dartmouth Grad, and Harbin's

16:57

been on the podcast before. I've

16:59

also interviewed her in my book two thousand

17:01

murals. And Harbin's great. And

17:03

Hamid ran as a kind of resistance candidate,

17:05

a candidate of the grassroots. And

17:08

the the final vote was something like a

17:10

hundred or so votes for Rona.

17:13

About fifty votes for Hamid and just

17:15

a handful of votes for for Mike Glendale.

17:17

It was kind of the

17:19

the wild man in the race.

17:23

And so what that tells

17:25

you is that the power

17:27

of the establishment in

17:29

the Republican Party counts

17:32

for kinda two to

17:34

one over the

17:36

grassroots because I don't know a

17:38

single grassroots republican. It was like, yeah, I think

17:40

we to keep her on a McDaniel. I

17:42

ran a Twitter poll on my site,

17:44

which got thousands, tens of thousands of

17:47

votes. And it was something like ninety

17:49

percent or ninety five percent for

17:51

for harm aid. Trump

17:55

put out a a truth

17:57

post in which he congratulated Rona

18:01

McDaniel, but immediately said something like,

18:03

now let's get to the business of

18:05

fixing our election. So

18:07

seems to me that Trump is

18:10

probably calculating that with DeSantis

18:12

having come out against Ronald

18:14

McDaniel, He Trump

18:16

could probably benefit from the support

18:18

of the RNC. And

18:21

so Trump is making a sort of

18:23

transactional endorsed meant. And fairness, Trump did

18:25

endorse Roni McDaniel the last time

18:27

around as well. Now,

18:29

there are some grassroots Republicans and

18:31

you see this all over social media, obviously,

18:34

disappointed, even disgusted. And I

18:36

see some sentiment of the effect of,

18:38

you know, I'm done with the R and

18:40

C. I don't think there's anything

18:42

wrong in saying, look, until

18:44

the RNC produces effective leadership,

18:46

I'm not going to give money

18:48

to the RNC. W and I,

18:51

not giving money to the RNC, and we

18:53

wouldn't. But we do not

18:55

take the view. This is very

18:57

important. That we are done with the Republican

18:59

party or we need a new party.

19:01

That is just nonsense talk.

19:05

And that is a form of surrender to

19:07

the other side. In fact, it's giving

19:09

Democrats what they want. If you're saying something like we

19:11

don't need a Republican party, you're being

19:13

a good Democrat. You're doing think of

19:15

it. Think of how excited we would be if Democrats started saying, we don't need

19:17

a Democratic party anymore. We need a new

19:20

party. The American politics

19:22

is fought in teams. And we

19:24

have a two party system. And

19:27

so I like the idea that

19:29

I it's not original with

19:31

me. That what Harmit should do is to

19:33

set up our own R and C.

19:36

Maybe call it the RCC, Republican

19:38

campaign committee or some name of that sort. And you

19:40

know what? Why not have two

19:43

organizations promoting Republican candidates?

19:45

Maybe It'll turn out that some big donor money

19:47

will go to the R and C. Maybe it'll turn

19:49

out that some big donor money and a lot of

19:51

grassroots money will go to the alternative

19:54

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19:56

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19:58

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20:00

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20:02

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20:04

case, may not disappear entirely, but at

20:06

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20:08

Rod and McDaniel say, this is my last

20:10

term, two more years, and then I'm out

20:12

of there. I think

20:14

this was kind of her concession to her critics

20:16

that I think she knows that she's

20:18

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livestream event. I'd like to talk about the

21:34

Project Veritas video

21:37

that exposed Jordan

21:39

Walker. This is Pfizer's Director of

21:41

Research and Development strategic

21:43

operations. And here was a guy

21:46

talking about how

21:48

Pfizer manipulates these

21:53

COVID cells in the

21:55

lab to well

21:57

essentially make them I do

21:59

different things, manipulates

22:01

them to become, in some cases,

22:03

more active, more

22:06

contagious, more lethal, and

22:10

and this fellow Jordan Walker who

22:12

by the way looks like he's you

22:14

know, doesn't look like a

22:16

top guide Pfizer at all

22:18

because he doesn't have the kind of

22:20

solemn gate of Albert Bourla, the

22:22

CEO. This guy looks like he was he was

22:24

kind of at a bar looking for a

22:27

date. And so initially, I

22:29

thought, is he just boasting? Is he just

22:31

talking nonsense? But he was saying, look, we do

22:33

we don't call it gain a function of research. Mind

22:36

you. He's like, it directed

22:38

evolution. Well, directed evolution

22:40

is nothing more than you're

22:43

manipulating The evolution isn't occurring

22:45

naturally. You're creating it

22:47

in the lab. So this is a

22:49

euphemism. It's a different phrase.

22:52

But it seems to be a little bit of

22:54

a distinction without a difference, a

22:56

verbal game to

22:59

and And then there was this

23:01

amazing confrontation in which

23:03

in which James

23:06

O'Keefe showed up And this guy,

23:08

Jordan Walker, when absolutely Berserk.

23:10

He was, like, wrestling with, you

23:12

know, you fell on the floor, you

23:14

tried to the doors of the

23:16

place were locked. This was just

23:18

downright a mad scene.

23:20

But it was also a scene of a guy

23:23

who got caught. I mean, I've seen cases where a guy, you know,

23:25

guy comes shows up. You know, he's he's a

23:27

pedophile. He's looking for the fourteen year

23:29

old girl. And there's the news crew.

23:31

And then he runs away, you know, and

23:33

this that's what this looked like.

23:36

And for a

23:38

few days that Pfizer went dead

23:40

silent. And now Pfizer

23:42

has issued a statement. And

23:44

the statement is itself very

23:46

telling because I see it as a

23:48

statement, not of denial, but of

23:52

confirmation. Pfizer in effect says,

23:54

well, no, we don't really do gain

23:56

a function research. No, we

23:58

don't really do directed

24:01

evolution either, but

24:04

yeah, we do manipulate viruses.

24:09

And they used

24:11

other language to say again the

24:13

same thing because if you read their language

24:15

and you go well, you're saying in effect is

24:17

you dig viruses, you

24:20

alter them, you

24:23

change them around. Now again,

24:26

Pfizer will say, I'm sure, of

24:28

course, we do this, and we kinda need

24:30

to do it. And this is part of the

24:32

way that we research these viruses

24:35

and this research provides the necessary

24:38

foundation for making

24:40

vaccines. And I think if this is

24:42

the case, Again, it's better

24:44

to admit it. It's better to say, yeah,

24:46

this is what we do. This is how we do it.

24:48

These are the safeguards we have in place.

24:50

See, the problem here is that there's

24:53

distrust and there's no

24:55

legitimate, not just public debate.

24:58

Robert Malone MD cofounder of mRNA was shocked to

25:00

find out what he did. He's an

25:02

expert in the field. And

25:04

he goes, yeah, this very

25:06

definitely is in effect gain a function. It's

25:08

gain a function masquerading under a

25:10

different name. By the way, when

25:14

when Project Veritas put

25:16

the video up on YouTube. YouTube

25:18

took it down. Why?

25:20

They said misinformation. Well, what's the misinformation?

25:23

Who's who's putting out the mess is it

25:25

misinformation to interview a

25:27

guy who's who's high up at

25:29

Pfizer? Who knows what Pfizer is

25:31

doing? Who provides an explanation. This is what Pfizer

25:33

is doing, and it's on video,

25:35

where's the misinformation? Or is

25:37

Jordan Walker being accused of putting out

25:40

misinformation? Is it the case that he's

25:42

misrepresenting Pfizer? Even

25:44

Pfizer never really said that. And by the

25:46

way, Jordan Walker's status at Pfizer

25:48

remains a little marquee at this point, they seem to have,

25:50

like, taken down all references to

25:52

him, although salutes on social

25:54

media have uncovered his

25:56

his resume have have posted that this guy,

25:58

yeah, not only works at Pfizer, but he's

26:00

not he's not the janitor. No. He's not

26:02

the, you know, He is he

26:05

does in fact have a high title,

26:07

and he is in fact apparently a medical

26:09

doctor. So it

26:11

looks like project Veritas.

26:13

Initially, Debbie was like, I wonder if they

26:15

got scammed. This guy doesn't even really he's

26:17

just a comedian who's pretending to work at

26:20

Pfizer. But no, he works at Faiza. He's a

26:22

legitimate source. I think Project Veritas did

26:24

the kind of story that the news

26:26

media should be doing but doesn't. Think

26:28

of it. The New York Times would never think of doing this kind of

26:30

a hit. Never think of trying to find out what

26:32

actually happens in the Pfizer lab.

26:35

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27:40

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27:47

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27:49

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27:52

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27:58

Eric's been covering the Middle East for

28:00

a couple of decades. Eric,

28:02

welcome to the podcast. It's really great

28:04

to have you. Let's

28:07

try you. Let's talk

28:09

about the Middle East

28:11

generally. There might be a lot of people who

28:13

think, well, the Middle East

28:15

had one point was

28:17

vital to American security,

28:20

American energy needs.

28:22

We were heavily oil dependent.

28:24

We were being manipulated by OPEC

28:26

in the seventies and eighties,

28:28

but the United States is

28:30

much more oil self sufficient

28:34

supposedly we're moving away from fossil

28:36

fuels. Would you say that

28:38

the Middle East has a

28:40

radically different position in

28:42

terms of America's interest in the world? Or do we

28:44

still have vital interests over there? And what

28:46

are they?

28:47

Dinesh, I still think we have vital

28:50

trust over there in terms of security.

28:52

First and foremost, it is the

28:54

most volatile, chaotic,

28:56

yet strategic region in the world. I

28:58

know the Biden Dinesh estration is

29:00

doing this pivot to the east, to China,

29:02

which makes sense in a lot in a lot

29:04

of ways, but you still have the likes

29:06

of Iran in the middle of

29:08

the Middle East. And you have

29:11

Russia, every superpower, basically,

29:13

it's almost like a gravitational pull

29:15

to that region where people can't stay

29:17

out. So Russia now is obviously

29:19

in Syria, the Iranian

29:21

regime driving towards nuclear weapons. This

29:23

is a serious threat. Iran also

29:25

also part of what I call the gathering storm

29:28

coalition, China, Russia,

29:30

North Korea, and the Iranian

29:32

regime working together towards

29:34

their own anti western interests.

29:36

So I believe because of

29:38

just the the glut of

29:40

American adversaries that

29:42

operating that region. We do have an interest there, and it

29:44

seems every time America

29:46

completely removes itself from the Middle East.

29:48

And look, I'd love to be out of the Middle

29:50

East entirely, but that every time we

29:52

do that, Dinesh, we leave a vacuum that's

29:55

filled by some of the world's worst actors. And

29:57

also lastly, look, we have a great

29:59

ally there in Israel, of course,

30:01

which is kind of the first line of

30:03

defense for western civilization in the

30:05

belly of the beast in the Middle East. Of course, we have the

30:07

suny arb nations there as well. Which we

30:09

have strong relationships with. So we

30:11

still do have interest there for

30:12

sure. I mean, it seemed

30:15

when the Iranian revolution

30:17

occurred nineteen seventy nine. The

30:19

initial objective was

30:21

to eradicate the influence,

30:23

the secular rising influence

30:26

of the shot to create a kind of deeply

30:28

Islamic society. I

30:30

find it interesting that the radical Muslims

30:33

fairly quick, however, to

30:35

project the influence abroad. I

30:37

learned from Debbie first about how

30:39

the Iranians are very active in

30:42

far away Venezuela, in addition,

30:44

by the way, to the Chinese and

30:46

the Russians. So talk about Iran's

30:48

objectives. They clearly are not confined to

30:50

the Middle East Does Iran

30:52

see itself as an emerging world

30:54

power? What's it up to? It

30:57

does, to match on a few levels. And you said

30:59

it, in nineteen seventy nine,

31:01

the told Comenity came to power. He always saw this

31:03

as a global revolution. It's

31:05

not just an Iran thing, a localized

31:08

revolution. He saw this as a

31:10

global movement and the current leadership

31:12

in Iran, which are his acolytes,

31:14

they see it the same way. So we have an

31:16

Iranian presence on at least

31:18

five continents through its elite unit.

31:20

I kind of compare them to the Nazi SS

31:23

Dinesh. The revolutionary guards

31:25

cooler. If you remember, Kasem Soleimani, who

31:28

was eliminated in a drone strike

31:30

ordered by president Trump January twenty

31:32

twenty, he was one of the main figures in this

31:34

group, but They have their tentacles

31:36

through this group throughout the world. You

31:38

mentioned Venezuela. Debbie and I have talked

31:40

about this for years actually. Iran

31:42

right now has a very close

31:44

relationship with the regime of Nicholas

31:46

Maduro in Venezuela. It

31:48

really started over day to go under Hugo

31:51

Chavez, those ties, to the point

31:53

ish, where last summer, Iran

31:55

and Venezuela signed a twenty

31:57

year cooperation agreement. Now

31:59

it's mainly focused on weapons and

32:03

oil. Iran will apply weapons to

32:05

Venezuela. It will get more involved. Remember

32:07

Venezuela is an oil rich country.

32:09

Iran will get more involved in the energy

32:11

sector in Venezuela as well.

32:13

And then The big story I've been

32:15

reporting on the Watchmen as of late,

32:17

Iran vowed earlier this month that by

32:19

the end of twenty twenty three,

32:21

they will send warships for the first

32:24

time to the Panama Canal at

32:26

America's doorstep. Now a lot of people

32:28

shrugged. It's out of bluff. It's bluster.

32:30

And yet, Right now, we have

32:32

two Iranian warships docked

32:34

in Brazil at a port

32:36

in Brazil. Already, you see the bitter

32:38

fruits of Lula that

32:41

radical leftist who just was sworn

32:43

in in Brazil once again. But

32:45

Tehrani and worship stopped there, Dinesh, and they're

32:47

playing reportedly is to

32:49

make a stop in Venezuela, surprise

32:51

surprise, and then

32:53

transit to the Panama Canal

32:55

sometime in

32:55

February. So that Iranian declaration

32:58

of having a presence in the Panama Canal looks

33:00

like it was not bluster and it is

33:02

coming to fruition right now. I

33:04

mean, I find an interesting, Eric, that you got these countries like

33:07

Iran and China, and there are

33:09

countries that are sort of ideologically

33:12

based. In the case of Iran, of

33:14

course, it's the Iranian revolution. In

33:16

the case of China, it is it

33:18

is a certain hybrid of

33:20

communism. And yet they seem to go all

33:22

over the world and deal

33:24

on a transactional basis

33:26

with other people. Otherwise, the Iranians aren't

33:28

going to Maduro and saying, let's and we expect

33:30

to see you in the mosque. We want you

33:32

to convert to Islam. None of

33:35

that. The Chinese aren't going over to African

33:37

countries and saying to them, hey,

33:39

listen, We need you to adopt the communist ideology

33:41

and start reading the red book of chairman

33:43

Mao, not at all. They basically

33:46

make deals based upon

33:48

oil, based on we'll give you weapons, if you

33:50

give us oil. So you

33:52

have a sort of combination. Don't you

33:54

have idea ideology.

33:56

And realpolitik. You do, Denise.

33:59

You you mentioned the word transactional.

34:01

That's the way they see it. And we know the

34:04

old adage The enemy of my enemy is my

34:06

friend. Again, the gathering storm,

34:08

coalition, China, Russia, Iran, North

34:10

Korea, if you look at those

34:12

four regimes, far flung ideologies,

34:14

serious ideological differences, and

34:16

yet they will work together

34:20

towards that common goal, which is essentially undermining the

34:22

United States, and undermining the

34:24

Western world order. That's the

34:26

ultimate goal for

34:28

these regimes. So you will

34:30

see Iran, again, not demanding that Maduro, who isn't a vowed marks its

34:32

socialist, converts to Islam,

34:35

they're not demanding that. It's

34:37

a transactional relationship that works in

34:40

Iran's interest. Look at Russia

34:42

and Iran right now. Look, Vladimir

34:44

Putin fought

34:46

Islamic jihadist in the form of the Chechens and yet now

34:48

he shoulder to shoulder with jihadists

34:50

in the form of the Iranian regime and

34:52

his blah. In

34:54

Syria and elsewhere. It doesn't seem to make much sense,

34:56

but this serves Russia's interest.

34:58

You think of Iran's energy sector.

35:00

You think of Iran right now supplying

35:03

Russia with drones. So it's very

35:06

interesting to actually make a great point. How

35:08

these regimes will kind of

35:10

throw aside those

35:12

ideological pillars to work together towards common goals

35:14

of again weakening the Western world

35:15

order. They're making that

35:18

very clear. Let's take a When

35:20

we come back, let's talk about Israel,

35:22

the recent terrorist attack in Israel,

35:24

and also the complex relationship

35:26

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Middle East. He's news director for

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TVN, the Trinity Broadcasting. Network.

36:41

Erica, let's talk about Israel. There

36:43

was recently a terror

36:46

attack in Israel. I

36:48

think seven

36:50

people dead. Talk a little bit

36:52

about what's happening there, but

36:54

some of the media is presenting it,

36:57

and even the New York Dinesh, as,

36:59

you know, the Netanyahu government has

37:02

come in and this has kind of

37:04

upset the

37:06

the the stability of the region almost

37:08

has it to say that he has annoyed

37:10

the radicals to the point where

37:12

they're kinda been pushed into doing this.

37:16

What are the implications of the Netanyahu government?

37:18

And then I wanna ask you

37:20

about its relationship with with

37:22

Biden. Yeah. Did me

37:24

just mention first real quick. It always amuses

37:26

me when the New York Times and others

37:28

say this move by Israel is going

37:30

to set the region on fire the

37:33

region has been on fire for over two

37:35

thousand years. So things aren't

37:38

changing too too markedly there in the Middle East.

37:40

But with the Netanyahu government

37:42

number one, Let's talk about the terror Jerusalem,

37:44

during Shabbat Friday night,

37:47

people leaving Shabbat Services

37:49

Friday night prayers, gunned

37:52

down by a Palestinian terrorist outside of the

37:54

synagogue. This is not an

37:56

isolated incident. Obviously, this kind of

37:58

heinous terror attack has happened time

38:00

and time time and time again in Israel

38:02

over the years. With the

38:04

Netanyahu government, the main issue right

38:06

now, Dinesh, is the

38:08

temple mount. Now, atop the temple mount, the most

38:10

coveted piece of real estate in the world, the very

38:12

heart of Jerusalem. That is

38:14

where the two Jewish temples once

38:16

stood as arrived in the

38:18

bible, Solomon's temple, and the second

38:20

temple, which Jesus taught in. He chased

38:22

out the money changers. Today, the dome

38:24

of the rock, the Aloximasca, those two

38:26

Muslim shrines, sit

38:28

atop the temple mount.

38:30

The status quo, as they call it, since

38:32

nineteen sixty seven, since the since the

38:34

six day war, is that

38:36

Jews can go on the temple

38:38

mount, but they cannot

38:40

pray openly atop the temple mount.

38:42

And if they do, they either

38:44

arrested or escorted off

38:46

the site.

38:46

Now, Muslim authorities control

38:49

the temple mount.

38:51

But there are many Jews now at the nation. There's

38:53

kind of a ground swell in Israel who

38:55

were saying, hey, wait a minute.

38:57

Our forefathers prayed atop

38:59

the temple now three thousand years ago, why can't

39:01

we pray openly to there today? And me as a

39:04

Christian, I can't pray openly at top of the

39:06

temple, man. I've been on on top of it

39:08

many times

39:10

again, they'll be arrested, they'll be thrown in prison. So you

39:13

have Muslims now who are you

39:15

have two competing narratives here. You

39:17

have Jews saying, hey, we're not we're not causing any trouble. We just

39:20

wanna pray on the temple mount. You have

39:22

Muslims, the likes of the Palestinian

39:24

authority, and the mosque chief among

39:26

them saying, you're trying to desecrate

39:28

the Aloximase and start World War three essentially. So

39:30

you have a collision course over the

39:34

temple mount. Many members of Netanyahu's new government

39:36

want to see that status quo

39:38

change. They're saying, hey, enough is enough. We

39:40

should be able to pray there Netanyahu

39:42

saying no, we're not gonna change the status

39:43

quo, but again, there is a ground

39:46

swell, including among members of his

39:48

own government. It

39:50

seems to me part of the problem here is

39:52

that you've got just a

39:54

different psychology. Don't you? In

39:56

other words, A

39:58

a muslim can go to

40:00

Saint Peter's cathedral in

40:03

Rome, walk in take

40:06

a good look around.

40:08

And if there's a mask going on,

40:10

sit down and listen to what's

40:12

being said, participate if if he or she wants

40:14

to. But you or I couldn't go

40:16

on a hunch to mecca and

40:18

show up

40:20

we would be pushed out. Right? In other words, there

40:22

the idea is that Mecca is

40:25

only for devout

40:28

Muslims and it seems

40:30

like a similar mentality is at

40:32

work here. In other words, there are there

40:35

are Christian churches all

40:38

over Israel and those are open in the sense I just

40:40

described, but somehow the Aloxa

40:42

mosque is like off limits.

40:44

And is it controlled by the

40:46

Jordanian government

40:48

explain a little bit what they're kind of complex dynamics

40:51

and this weird truth that

40:53

has held

40:55

all this time And how does

40:57

one resolve a situation when it comes into that kind

40:59

of almost a

41:02

theological blockade? Yeah, Dinesh

41:04

key point, Jordan does control the site. Let

41:06

me just mention, by the way, to your earlier

41:08

point, I tried to enter the dome of

41:10

the rock a few

41:12

months ago There was a Muslim authority at the doorway, and

41:14

I said, I'd like to come in. And he said, are

41:16

you a Muslim? I said, no. He

41:18

said, then you

41:20

cannot enter. So that crystallizes what you just laid out. But with the

41:22

temple mount, it is very

41:24

complex, but to break it down in

41:26

its bare

41:28

essence, In nineteen sixty seven, Israel won the six

41:30

day war in dramatic fashion.

41:32

At that time, Israel

41:36

allowed Islam allowed the

41:38

Muslims to retain control of

41:40

the temple mount. Now Israel could have took

41:43

the whole temple mount, but they

41:45

allowed Islam, Islamic authorities to

41:48

retain control, that would be

41:50

Jordan. When Israel won that war in

41:52

sixty seven, Jordan actually controlled

41:54

half of Jerusalem at that time. It's hard to

41:56

believe today, but that was a fact.

41:58

Israel allowed Georganian

42:00

religious authorities to maintain

42:02

control there on the temple mount. And that

42:04

has not changed up until today

42:06

to the point where king Abdullah,

42:08

the Jordanian king who has been

42:10

an out eye of the west,

42:12

Western educated, threatened recently basically, threatened Israel, hey,

42:14

don't cross our red lines

42:18

on the temple mount. It's caused a lot of animosity between

42:21

Israel and Jordan. Two nations which

42:23

have a peace treaty, but it's kind

42:25

of a cold peace And

42:27

a big part of that is the temple mount.

42:30

Jordan seems to be clinging on desperately

42:32

trying to maintain control, but the next I think

42:34

a day is coming where that

42:36

status quo will change,

42:38

and you will see Jews eventually taking

42:40

a greater role on the temple mount. I

42:42

don't know when, but

42:43

again, there's a lot of support

42:45

building for that in Israel. We only have about

42:47

a minute, but Eric, let's close

42:50

out by me asking you about, is the

42:52

Biden administration situation. I mean, I

42:54

know they're not too friendly to

42:56

Netanyahu. Are they kinda

42:58

taking the the Muslims side if you will

43:00

in this

43:00

controversy? What is their position? Yeah.

43:02

They they are adamant, the Biden officials that they do not want

43:05

to see. Again, that status quo change,

43:07

and they're really pressuring

43:10

Israel And even at the UN,

43:12

the Biden administration has been pressuring

43:14

Israel over this temple mount issue,

43:16

of course, the UN is viciously anti

43:19

Israel. I see a collision course coming,

43:21

diplomatic collision course between the Biden

43:23

administration and the Netanyahu government on a

43:25

few issues. Number

43:28

one, Iran, Because that Iran deal, although it looks dead now, it's kind

43:30

of like a vampire that keeps coming

43:32

to life because of western leaders

43:34

pushing it, Iran,

43:36

Israeli communities in Judea

43:38

and Samaria, the West Bank. The

43:40

Biden administration is adamantly opposed

43:43

to Israel building there. And

43:45

the temple mount. I think those three issues are going

43:47

to lead to a diplomatic collision course. Remember,

43:49

Joe Biden was vice president

43:51

under the most anti Israel president in American

43:53

history, Barack Obama, and many of those same

43:56

officials worked in both administrations. So I

43:58

think Rocky Times

44:00

lie ahead.

44:02

Wow, very great stuff. Thanks for joining me. I really appreciate

44:04

it. We're gonna have to have you back as

44:06

these -- Thank you. -- things continue

44:08

to continue to unfold. Thanks,

44:12

Dinesh. I've been

44:14

talking about evidence

44:17

for the Big Bang

44:19

and not just the theoretical evidence

44:21

such as Einstein's theory of

44:23

relativity, which predicts an

44:26

expanding universe.

44:29

But also observational evidence. And

44:31

I talked last week

44:34

about Penzias

44:36

and Wilson from bell labs and

44:38

their ability to hear

44:40

the cosmic

44:43

background microwave radiation. Unbelievable,

44:46

the whisper from the early universe. So all

44:48

of this by the latter part of

44:50

the twentieth century had established a

44:54

scientific consensus in

44:56

favor of the big bang. That is actually not something that

44:58

is even really up for debate.

45:02

And and a lot of the critics of the big bang

45:04

sort of

45:06

admitted that they were wrong. In fact, here's Arthur

45:08

Eddington finally conceives the big bang

45:10

is true, but what's interesting is he goes on to

45:12

say this, the beginning, the idea of

45:14

the beginning, seems to

45:16

present insuperable difficulties unless

45:18

we agree to look on it as,

45:22

frankly, supernatural. Wow.

45:24

And Arnold Penzias who won the Nobel Prize

45:26

for his discovery of the background radiation,

45:28

he says this the best data

45:30

we have are exactly what I would have predicted.

45:33

Had I nothing to go on but

45:35

the five books of Moses, the

45:38

Psalms, and the Bible

45:40

as a whole. So for Penzias,

45:42

the discovery of the microwave radiation

45:44

and the confirmation of the Big

45:47

Bang are essentially a restatement of

45:49

what was already said in the

45:51

book of Genesis. Here's

45:54

astronomer Robert

45:56

In what I think is a beautiful image.

45:58

Quote. For the scientist who has

46:00

lived by his faith and the power of

46:04

reason, The story ends like a bad dream.

46:06

He has scaled the mountains of

46:08

ignorance he is about to conquer

46:11

the highest peak As he

46:13

pulls himself over the final

46:16

rock, he is greeted by a

46:18

band of theologians who have been

46:20

sitting there

46:22

for centuries. So

46:25

this is I think

46:27

very fascinating. The bible, by the way, is

46:29

not a science book. It doesn't try to

46:31

give a detailed account of

46:34

how the creation was

46:36

But the account it does give. Is

46:39

accurate, is supported by

46:41

the best of modern

46:44

science. And

46:46

now we have a sort of proof of that emerges

46:48

out of all this because in

46:51

a sense science is applied, what you

46:53

can call the missing link. Here's

46:55

the proof. Everything that begins

46:58

to exist has a

46:59

cause. Everything

47:02

that begins to exist has a cause.

47:05

The

47:05

universe began to exist.

47:08

Therefore, the universe has

47:10

a cause, that cause

47:13

we call God. Now for a long

47:15

time, the denial of the creator was based upon denying the second proposition.

47:18

In other words, for a long

47:20

time, theatheist would say, let's look at

47:22

newtonian science, let's look at

47:24

Galileo, we can see from these things

47:26

that the universe did not

47:28

have to and in fact did not have

47:30

a beginning. And the universe

47:32

is a kind of perpetual motion

47:34

machine. It's always been

47:36

there. But now science has

47:38

removed that argument. The universe did

47:40

in fact have a beginning. And so atheists now, especially

47:42

atheists scientists, are reduced

47:44

to denying the

47:46

first proposition. May have to

47:48

deny that everything that has a

47:50

beginning has a cause. They got to they have to

47:52

say in effect everything that has a

47:54

beginning does not necessarily have

47:56

a cause. And think of

47:58

what a difficult position that is to

48:00

sustain. But that's the position that

48:02

Bertrand Russell essentially

48:04

twisted himself into. He says, universe just

48:06

there, and that's all. But this

48:08

is really not an explanation. This is

48:11

an avoidance of explanation. And

48:13

even David Hume Hume, the most skeptical of

48:16

all the philosophers who attacked the

48:18

so called argument from design,

48:20

here's Hume. He

48:22

doesn't deny causation at all. By the way, human is famous for

48:24

his critique of causation, but

48:26

human is not denying causation. He's

48:28

denying our

48:30

knowledge of causation.

48:32

So Hume's critique of causation is not

48:34

a critique of causation. It's a critique of

48:36

the limits of human knowledge. But here's

48:38

Hume. I'm quoting him now. Seventeen fifty

48:41

four, quote, I have never asserted so absurd

48:43

a proposition as that

48:45

anything might arise without

48:48

a cause. So Hume is

48:50

here, frankly, admitting

48:52

that if the universe

48:54

had a beginning, it

48:57

must have been caused. And

48:59

since the universe is a

49:02

material object that encompasses

49:04

all the material that there is,

49:07

Everything that exists in a sense

49:09

is in the universe, then the cause

49:11

of the universe can't be material. It

49:13

has to be immaterial. Another way

49:15

to put it is it has to be supernatural. And it doesn't

49:17

really strain credulity. In fact, it's completely

49:20

consistent with modern

49:22

scientific knowledge.

49:23

To say creation of the universe is in

49:26

fact a miracle.

49:28

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