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to get to today. Today we're going to be

1:06

talking all about education, all about

1:08

public schools. We'll be speaking with

1:10

Corey D 'Angeles. He is a senior

1:12

fellow at the American Culture Project and

1:14

he's the author of The Parent

1:17

Revolution, rescuing your kids

1:19

from the radicals ruining our schools.

1:22

We'll also discuss Katanji Brown Jackson's

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recent comments about how parents can

1:26

simply pull their kids out of

1:28

school. We'll talk about what's on

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the horizon for SCOTUS a little

1:32

bit, and we will also discuss

1:34

wokeness and gender ideology in these

1:36

public schools. All right, well,

1:38

let's get started. This is the Dinesh

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2:01

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2:09

Imagine being a white

2:11

collar worker in a modern business

2:13

setting. One day your department

2:16

is summoned into a conference room and

2:18

everyone is informed that the company

2:20

is going to be more sensitive regarding

2:22

issues of race and gender. That

2:24

there's going to be a new set

2:26

of bathrooms installed for those new

2:28

employees who don't fall into one of

2:31

the binary gender types or the opposite

2:33

gender is now going to be

2:35

using your bathroom. That from

2:37

now on the company is going to

2:39

look at factors like race, gender preference,

2:42

when hiring the next batch of coworkers.

2:45

Your company is going to prioritize

2:47

DEI because diversity is our

2:49

greatest strength. So

2:51

what do you do? Do you pull aside

2:53

a member of management and kindly

2:55

inform them that this is not

2:57

a good idea, that they're wasting

2:59

money promoting ideas that can only

3:01

destroy productivity and further burden the

3:03

statistically few competent workers in the

3:05

company who are already struggling to

3:07

keep a hand? Doing

3:10

so would be a surefire way of

3:12

outing yourself as someone who's not on

3:14

board with the modern way of running

3:16

business, and you could be punished for

3:18

even speaking up. This is

3:20

the leftist way. There can be no

3:22

quicker path to finding yourself downsized out

3:24

of the job, given leftist

3:26

unwavering intolerance for good

3:29

ideas, logic, and merit. So

3:32

maybe you just sit there. trying your

3:34

best to keep quiet, to go

3:36

along to get along, while watching the

3:38

company slowly crumble under the effects

3:40

of bad management while you walk on

3:42

eggshells and try not to offend

3:44

people. The third option would

3:46

be you could look for a job elsewhere.

3:49

You could bail when you get hired at a new

3:51

job. Of course, that presumes

3:53

that you can find a

3:55

job that isn't also infected with

3:57

this DEI hiring. And

4:00

good luck with that. Even companies

4:02

headquartered in Asia, a region

4:04

that is notoriously derisive of American

4:06

social justice warrior culture

4:08

and mindless ESG DEI

4:10

games, will embrace leftist

4:12

managerial groupthink here in

4:14

the US. So

4:17

if you find this kind of ideology repulsive on

4:19

its face and offensive to your core, you

4:21

pretty much only have two options, self

4:24

-employment or unemployment. For

4:27

all intents and purposes, your job

4:29

market has been frozen out

4:31

by a handful of crazies

4:33

in HR and cronies who

4:35

are bent on hamstringing American

4:37

industry to pave the way

4:39

for ultimately socialism. Oh,

4:42

and even if you can find

4:44

success being self -employed, good luck

4:46

doing any kind of banking because

4:48

those banks are run by

4:51

the same insane anti -American leaders

4:53

who will debunk you, debank

4:55

you. under that other

4:57

insidious business practice called Know

4:59

Your Customer. Under

5:01

the weakest of justifications, they'll make

5:03

sure to disassociate from you permanently. They'll

5:06

say, you don't affirm and respect

5:09

trans people. That makes you,

5:11

you know, someone that needs to be

5:13

fired. Now things are really

5:15

dire, so you decide to take

5:17

your last remaining dollars and go

5:19

see a movie to take your

5:21

mind off of the fact that

5:23

irrational leftists are fast -tracking you

5:25

towards a life in the gutter.

5:27

Only once you get to the

5:29

theater, the movies are all anti -white.

5:32

They're all anti -male, they're anti -romance,

5:34

anti -freedom. They've replaced any kind

5:36

of traditional relationships with girl

5:38

bosses or some

5:40

kind of LGBTQ messaging.

5:43

Now these people on there are

5:45

probably living out some kind of

5:47

producers fantasies while being endlessly

5:49

praised as a hero who's

5:51

not a real hero. That's

5:54

all there is at the theater nowadays. Just

5:56

endless streams of this. And

5:58

it is all thanks to pro -DEI

6:00

propaganda in Hollywood.

6:03

These three examples of the workplace, of

6:06

finance, of entertainment, they

6:08

all show a simple principle at

6:11

play. It's that once an institution

6:13

is co -opted by woke, those

6:15

same institutions make sure that

6:17

only the woke survive. Conservatives

6:21

like to talk about DEI, like

6:23

it's a matter of freedom of

6:25

speech. It is, but that's

6:27

not why these coercive authoritarian

6:29

tactics are embraced by the left.

6:32

To them, it's not about speech

6:34

as much as it is about

6:36

power. It's about the left

6:38

gaining a monopoly on where you

6:40

can earn money, where you

6:42

can enjoy yourself, watching a film,

6:44

where you can work. The

6:46

left hates choice. They

6:49

hate freedom. and they hate any

6:51

kind of traditional values, and

6:53

they understand that under true market

6:56

forces, that which works

6:58

can continue working, and that which

7:00

doesn't, fails. So they don't

7:02

like to have a true market.

7:04

They like to control the levers of

7:06

power and shift it, so they

7:08

can be the ones who kind of

7:10

decide what people are actually experiencing

7:12

here, and they can't really choose. And

7:15

what the left believes more than anything is that

7:17

failure shouldn't be an excuse to do away

7:19

with something. So they work to

7:21

create an environment that is failure

7:23

friendly, and in the process rig the

7:25

system to be intolerant of people

7:27

who are deserving of success. They

7:30

trap you in their web of good intentions,

7:33

robbing you of choice in the

7:35

name of kindness and inclusion. They're

7:39

like the Kathy Bates character from the

7:41

movie Misery. They love you so

7:43

much they'll use a sledgehammer to break

7:45

your legs so you can't run away from

7:47

them. And once in that position

7:49

of total dominance, they not only

7:51

delude themselves into believing that they're

7:53

helping you, but they also feel

7:55

validated by the fact that they

7:57

and their ilk are controlling your

7:59

life. What is

8:01

communism but a system of total

8:03

control by a bunch of

8:05

bureaucrats who believe they understand your

8:08

best interests better than you

8:10

can? At its core, leftism is

8:12

the misplaced longing of someone

8:14

who never got to experience the

8:16

true joy of being a

8:18

parent or a wife or husband.

8:21

So instead, they must live

8:23

out their innate drive to mother

8:25

by turning it into an

8:27

impulsed smother. They terrorized

8:29

you with caring. They're

8:32

terrorists. It's not only

8:34

these few institutions I just

8:36

referenced, but woke nonsense is choking

8:38

all aspects of American life.

8:40

And one of the saddest examples

8:42

is the institution of education,

8:44

because this affects our young minds,

8:47

this affects children, and they

8:49

are being used as pawns in

8:51

this whole scheme. Right

8:53

now, President Trump and Secretary

8:55

of Education, Linda McMahon, are working

8:57

to limit the Department of

8:59

Education as much as they can.

9:01

In order to completely dismantle

9:04

the department, they would need a

9:06

super majority So the best

9:08

they can do right now is

9:10

downsize its 4 ,400 -man workforce

9:12

and $200 billion budget as much

9:14

as possible. And yes, I

9:16

did say billion. Why?

9:18

According to his executive order of

9:21

returning control of education to the

9:23

states, President Trump seeks

9:25

to take a significant step forward

9:27

to give parents and states

9:29

control over their children's education. Futures

9:32

will be unshackled from

9:34

burdensome regulations and paperwork, empowering

9:36

them to get back

9:38

to teaching subjects. Bringing

9:40

control of education back to

9:42

the states is a way of

9:44

smashing the federal monopoly on

9:46

education, which is much overdue. When

9:49

everything was controlled by just

9:51

the one central government entity, natural

9:53

market forces that nurtured

9:56

excellence were all squashed and

9:58

American education suffered. Since

10:00

the inception of the Department of

10:02

Education in 1980, so, hey, it's not

10:04

that old, it was not envisioned

10:06

by our founders, literally came

10:09

far along after there

10:11

was even welfare, scores

10:13

in reading and math have

10:16

remained stagnant with the latest

10:18

trends showing a precipitous decline,

10:20

especially over recent years. And

10:22

you would think with us putting

10:25

billions of dollars into this that

10:27

Kids' grades would increase their competency

10:29

of different subjects, but no, it's

10:31

actually the opposite. There's

10:33

nothing in those charts that

10:35

justifies the continuation of this

10:37

$200 billion boondoggle. And keep

10:39

in mind, many schools across

10:41

the country are constantly lowering

10:43

their standards for reading and

10:45

math because they want to

10:47

make it seem like more

10:49

kids are passing. Some

10:52

districts have gone so far

10:54

as to decree standards themselves as

10:56

racist. So test scores

10:58

are catering at the same

11:00

time to race as we're

11:02

lowering standards. Obviously this is

11:04

ridiculous, but that means that

11:07

actual mastery of reading and

11:09

math is objectively more rare

11:11

than our current charts even

11:13

show. Meanwhile, school

11:15

zones become war zones where

11:17

kids are bringing knives to

11:19

school or they're bursting into

11:21

violent fistfights. There has been

11:23

outright attacks on teachers in

11:26

a lot of these public

11:28

inner -city schools. And

11:30

on the other hand, you have

11:32

creepy teachers who spend all

11:34

their classroom time talking about sexual

11:36

perversion, grooming children into

11:38

transitioning, or just meeting

11:40

them up for unfortunately,

11:43

you know, some kind of

11:45

rape situation. I mean, it's horrible.

11:48

These teachers need to be stopped. And

11:50

this kind of grooming, this kind of

11:52

gender, you know, ideology for

11:54

kids, we have to stop it. Between

11:57

that and the drugs

11:59

and even smartphones, turning every

12:01

minute into a high

12:03

anxiety place for kids in

12:05

the classroom, the only

12:08

thing not happening in American

12:10

classrooms, honestly, is good

12:12

old traditional learning. It's

12:14

clear that the best path to

12:16

securing a good education is to give

12:18

parents the right to decide what

12:20

is best for their kids when it

12:23

comes to education. So

12:25

school choice programs are becoming more

12:27

popular with currently 29 states offering

12:29

some sort of program to help

12:31

parents make these decisions. It's

12:34

a shame that many states have

12:36

not joined that list and it's

12:38

a shame that many liberal states

12:40

are actually doubling down on the

12:42

woke gender ideology but at the

12:45

same time we can be hopeful

12:47

because some states are Deciding to

12:49

give this power back to parents

12:51

At the same time smothering leftist

12:53

decree any such action saying that

12:55

it takes money for books out

12:58

of school budgets or things like

13:00

that It's actually funny because the

13:02

whole idea about programs like tax

13:04

credits and vouchers is so book

13:06

money can follow the student. The

13:09

other complaint is that some of

13:11

this money ends up in the hands

13:13

of families sending their kids to a

13:15

private school, therefore they don't need a

13:17

voucher or tax cut. However, parents should

13:19

have the right to send their kids

13:21

to private school or homeschool. Notice

13:24

the other lack of remorse

13:26

about the fact that those parents

13:28

are paying taxes to educate

13:30

Someone else's kid while paying out

13:32

of pocket for their own

13:34

child's education. That doesn't make sense

13:37

If schools were good then

13:39

everyone would want to go to

13:41

those schools So naturally we

13:43

need to create an environment that

13:45

creates schools that compete that

13:47

get better teachers do a better

13:49

job of educating But this

13:51

is the mentality of the left

13:53

when they have you cornered

13:55

in one of their monopolies their

13:57

goal is to make you

14:00

powerless accountability for failure isn't even

14:02

an afterthought. They don't even

14:04

want to be responsible for educating

14:06

these kids. They don't even

14:08

think that it's their job, but in

14:10

a way, weirdly, they also feel like

14:12

they own the kids and they feel

14:14

like it's their job to indoctrinate them.

14:16

So there's indoctrination, but there isn't learning.

14:19

To them, it's not your

14:21

taxes, it's their money

14:23

and their classroom. What's

14:26

most insidious about this is that

14:28

schools are where you're supposed to

14:30

learn the basics to get you

14:32

started in life. You're supposed to

14:34

learn new ideas, learn foundational things,

14:37

but that's impossible when you're under

14:39

the boot of the dogmatic and

14:41

intolerant left. They

14:43

prefer frivolity over

14:45

competency, all while

14:47

placing rigid ideological blinders at

14:49

a moment when children

14:51

are supposed to be. expanding

14:53

their horizons and learning

14:56

actual skills for adulthood. This

14:58

system perpetuates failure and ruin.

15:01

Remember that leftists like to think of

15:03

themselves as liberals? They tell

15:05

everyone that everything they do

15:07

is about attaining greater and greater

15:09

freedom, about being who they

15:11

are, which ironically is

15:13

achieved through monopolistic means

15:15

of control for minors. When

15:18

they talk about liberty, it's not

15:20

meant to be a shared legacy.

15:22

Liberty for the leftist means their

15:24

own personal liberty. The liberty

15:26

of someone who has you chained up

15:28

in their house that they can do

15:30

with as they please. That's

15:33

the type of liberty that they're going for.

15:36

Ironically, conservatives are also committed

15:38

to liberty. Sure, we

15:40

don't call ourselves liberal, but

15:42

that's because we're focused on the

15:44

method to maximize and perpetuate

15:46

everyone's individual liberty by conserving values

15:49

and ideals. Ideals like

15:51

limited government and things that

15:53

go back to our founding. Self

15:56

-reliance, personal responsibility. Liberals

15:58

are named after their supposed

16:00

aim of what liberty means.

16:03

Conservatives are aiming for true

16:05

liberty, but they take their

16:07

name from what they understand is the

16:10

best method of attaining liberty for society as

16:12

a whole. Liberals have

16:14

demonstrated that they don't care about

16:16

the methods. when I say

16:18

liberals I mean leftists don't care

16:20

about the methods it's all just

16:22

a means to an end to

16:25

create the kind of little student

16:27

that they want to create so

16:29

they had no problem embracing even

16:31

the most illiberal of methods around

16:33

in order to get a child

16:35

let's say to embrace a foreign

16:38

gender ideology while conservatives on the

16:40

other hand are preserving the one

16:42

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16:44

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16:47

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16:49

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16:51

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16:53

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16:55

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Parent Revolution. Corey, thanks for

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joining us. Hey, thanks so much for

20:11

having me. Yeah, well

20:14

you're an expert in education realm

20:16

and so I wanted to ask

20:18

you some questions about this. How

20:20

do you kind of think it's

20:22

going so far with our Secretary

20:24

of Education, Linda McMahon, and this

20:26

kind of initiative to send a

20:28

lot of education back to the

20:30

states and taking power away from

20:33

these federal bureaucrats? Yeah,

20:35

it's a fantastic move. I hope

20:37

Linda can get in there as soon

20:39

as possible and body slam that

20:41

unconstitutional department once and for all It

20:43

should have never been created in

20:45

the first place. It started in 1979

20:47

as a political payoff by Jimmy

20:49

Carter to the teachers unions the NEA

20:51

the largest labor union in the

20:53

country and The word education does not

20:55

exist in the federal Constitution of

20:57

the United States So therefore the whole

20:59

department is a violation of the

21:01

10th amendment. We should send education back

21:03

to the states and you'd have

21:05

more local control if that money goes

21:07

back to the state you'll have

21:09

actually more money for education than you

21:11

had before because you wouldn't be

21:13

wasting all those dollars on useless bureaucrats

21:16

sitting around doing a bunch of

21:18

nothing pushing paper in washington dc thousands

21:20

of miles away who don't know

21:22

anything about your kids when you have

21:24

more local control you have more

21:26

accountability to your constituents And so this

21:28

is a great move. Trump

21:30

actually signed an executive order to send

21:32

education back to the states. But

21:34

there's only so much you can do via executive

21:36

order. I know he's trying to get in there

21:38

and give it death by a thousand cuts. I

21:41

know they've fired at least half

21:43

the employees already. That's a great

21:45

first move. Oh, we're

21:47

halfway there. But they're

21:49

also continuing the march

21:51

towards freedom by cutting

21:53

funding for DEI initiatives.

21:57

And hopefully Congress can get their

21:59

act together and vote to erase

22:02

this unconstitutional department once and for

22:04

all. But you do need 60

22:06

votes to overcome a filibuster in

22:08

the Senate. And

22:10

Republicans have a majority, but they don't

22:12

have a super majority. And I don't

22:14

have a lot of confidence that seven

22:16

Democrats are going to come along. They

22:18

should, because it's a good idea. But

22:21

they're so stuck on. They're Trump derangement

22:23

syndrome right now. They're fear -mongering. They're arguing

22:25

it's a straw man. They're saying that

22:27

this is going to defund education. They're

22:29

saying that this is going to get

22:31

rid of vital programs. It does neither

22:33

of those things. Trump, Linda

22:35

McMahon, and so on and so forth

22:37

have been clear from the start and

22:40

they're still saying the same thing, that

22:42

the money will go back to the

22:44

states and the programs that are vital,

22:46

like special needs programs, just go to

22:48

other departments. We're not getting rid of

22:50

vital services. It's a

22:52

it's a it's a logical thing to

22:54

do. It's the constitutional thing to

22:57

do and it would improve education across

22:59

the country Yeah, and if this

23:01

kind of continues to go back to

23:03

the states the money that was

23:05

initially I guess going to Federal programs

23:07

and so on would that be

23:09

going to the state or would it

23:12

go back to the taxpayer? What

23:14

do you kind of think would be the

23:16

best situation because some people I know, you

23:19

know, they'd rather kind of have you

23:21

know, the money in their pocket. Some people

23:23

would rather go to public schools and so

23:25

on. So how do you kind of, I

23:27

guess, moving away from federal is definitely good.

23:29

But then at the state level, do you

23:31

think it kind of should just be decided

23:34

by each state or what do you think?

23:37

Yeah, look, returning education to the states

23:39

is a good first step. But

23:41

the the utopian or the best move

23:43

is to return education. not just

23:45

to the states, but to the parents.

23:47

They're the primary decision makers for

23:50

their own kids. So this funding

23:52

should ultimately go back to families to

23:54

then determine how to direct the upbringing

23:56

of their children and how to educate

23:58

them. So I think the money should

24:00

be used for school choice. I know

24:02

the teachers unions are very concerned about

24:05

that happening right now. Randy Weingarten who

24:07

lobbied the CDC to keep schools closed

24:09

as long as possible during the COVID

24:11

era. I mean, they held children's education

24:13

hostage to secure billions of dollars in

24:15

ransom payments. They only care about themselves.

24:17

They don't give a crap about the

24:20

kids. But she admitted on

24:22

a podcast, on a left -wing show, that

24:24

she knows that Trump has said that

24:26

they'll block grant the funding back to

24:28

the states. But what she's really concerned

24:30

about is states like Texas, my home

24:32

state, well, we

24:34

might decide to give the funding to

24:36

school choice programs. Lo and

24:38

behold, we did just pass the

24:40

16th state to go all in to

24:42

pass a universal school choice program

24:45

very recently. It's on its way to

24:47

the governor's desk very soon. And

24:49

Texas will be the biggest day

24:51

one victory for school choice in

24:53

our nation's history. And that's what

24:55

the unions are very afraid about

24:57

right now. They see their power

24:59

slipping away. right between their fingertips

25:01

as we speak. And that's good

25:03

news for families, even if it's

25:05

good, bad news for people like

25:07

Randy Weingarten, who make over $500

25:09

,000 a year to trap your

25:12

kids in her failing schools. Yeah,

25:14

places like Chicago, they have like

25:16

30 schools with 0 % proficiency rates.

25:18

They spend $30 ,000 a kid

25:20

per year. The private schools cost

25:22

half that amount and do a better

25:24

job. And so let's let the parents

25:26

decide. And if that's the public school,

25:28

that's great. That's your prerogative,

25:30

but the choice shouldn't be with the

25:32

government. It shouldn't be with the teachers unions. It

25:35

should be for the parents to determine

25:37

for their own children. And so that

25:39

is the ultimate proposal, but I will

25:41

say the proposal in Congress right now

25:43

is in the form of the block

25:45

grant to send it back to the

25:48

states. And the states can determine how

25:50

to figure it out. I will say

25:52

Trump on the campaign trail did point

25:54

out that Some states may do better

25:56

than others. Iowa may knock it out

25:58

of the park with more control. But

26:00

what about states like California and New

26:02

York? They might fumble the football. And

26:05

my response to that is, well, it

26:07

can't get any worse in those states

26:09

than it is right now. They're already

26:11

keeping secrets. They're already failing kids. They're

26:13

already throwing more money at the problem.

26:16

And so there's only one

26:18

way forward from where they're

26:20

at, and that's up. And

26:22

for the states that it would

26:24

benefit, The upside in those states

26:27

outweighs any of the potential downside,

26:29

which is minimal in the states

26:31

that they're already having problems. So

26:33

the Department of Education doesn't lead

26:35

to better outcomes. It doesn't get

26:37

rid of the gender insanity in

26:39

a lot of these schools. Behind

26:41

closed doors, these rebel teachers and

26:43

the unions, they do what they

26:45

want anyway. So at the end

26:48

of the day, the best accountability

26:50

is from the bottom up with

26:52

school choice. Yeah, yeah,

26:54

no, I mean I didn't even

26:56

know why we shouldn't even have

26:58

federal involvement and that and the

27:00

parents should really be the ones

27:02

deciding these things You mentioned the

27:04

fact that some of these teachers

27:06

schools they hide things from parents,

27:08

but we have seen some cases

27:10

where You know, I think in

27:12

California. They they don't really hide

27:14

it They basically just say hey,

27:16

you know, this is the law

27:18

if your kid wants to be

27:21

trans we're good with it and

27:23

we also will make it a

27:25

crime if you try to intervene

27:27

as the parent and so some

27:29

places have gotten to the extreme

27:31

where it's like that and other

27:33

places I guess they kind of

27:35

slip in the the inappropriate books

27:37

and things like that but what

27:39

are you kind of seeing in

27:41

I guess these um very liberal

27:43

places? Yeah look Trump won

27:45

the parent vote in November by nine

27:47

points that was a seismic shift to

27:49

the Republicans on the issue of education

27:52

which He beat Kamala Harris on education

27:54

too, according to Atlas Intel, one of

27:56

the best pollsters in the country on

27:58

at least two occasions before election day.

28:00

You'd think the Democrats would have learned

28:02

a little bit of where they failed

28:04

when it came to parental rights. We

28:07

think they learned from the Terry McAuliffe

28:09

loss in Virginia after he said, I

28:11

don't think parents should be telling schools

28:13

what they should teach. Glenn Yonkin beat

28:15

Terry McAuliffe in a blue state that

28:17

apparently went to Biden by 10 points

28:19

the year before. President

28:22

Trump running on education freedom, running

28:24

on school choice, running on abolishing

28:26

the department, still one on the

28:28

issue of education. These are ideas

28:31

that resonate with parents. And

28:33

on the other hand, you have

28:35

the left quadrupling down on failure

28:37

for kids and also this idea

28:40

that your kids belong to the

28:42

government. They don't. The

28:44

Supreme Court ruled this in 1925.

28:46

They famously said, Quote the child

28:48

is not the mere creature of

28:50

the states the Democrats should figure

28:52

that out sooner than later if

28:55

they don't want to lose elections

28:57

in the future Republicans are probably

28:59

saying don't tell them let them

29:01

continue to To fumble on these

29:03

issues, but I mean in Colorado

29:05

right now They just on a

29:08

Sunday a couple weeks ago Sunday

29:10

of all days. They passed taxpayer

29:12

funded abortions on the same day

29:14

they passed it making it child

29:16

abuse if you quote unquote misgender

29:18

your child. If you don't play

29:20

into this delusion of a small

29:23

child, you can lose your kid.

29:25

The state can take your child

29:27

away for living in reality. And

29:29

the Democrats want to, they want

29:32

to, they think this is a good idea

29:34

or they know it's a bad idea.

29:36

They know this is an 80 -20 issue

29:38

against them. The public is, they're

29:40

not with the will of the

29:42

people. And maybe they just

29:44

don't care. They're just so concerned

29:46

about control and forcing their

29:48

ideology onto everybody else that they're

29:50

even willing to lose elections

29:52

over it. And hopefully that's the

29:54

case because then you'll have

29:56

places like Colorado shift to the

29:58

right where Republicans can return

30:00

sanity to the classroom, return sanity

30:02

to the state, and in

30:05

Illinois, I mean, Chicago is bad

30:07

enough, but Illinois, the state

30:09

lawmakers are calling to, to

30:13

regulate homeschool freedoms. They

30:15

also got rid of school choice

30:18

two years ago in Illinois. They are

30:20

just coming after parents left and

30:22

right. And on the other

30:24

hand, the red states passed the school choice left

30:26

and right. They're kind of

30:28

diverging in a way, but

30:30

the Republican states are embracing

30:32

parental freedom. They basically become,

30:34

or emerged as the parents

30:37

party. And hopefully the Democrats

30:39

kind of learn their lesson

30:41

sooner than later. Because if

30:43

not, that's going to be bad

30:45

for parents in the short run. But in the

30:47

long term, maybe that'll help

30:50

Republicans win some elections. Well,

30:52

Corey, in a lot of these

30:54

states, the strange thing is parents are

30:56

being punished for, quote, misgendering their

30:58

kids. In other words, if you have

31:00

a son. who wants to be

31:02

a girl, you're punished as the parent

31:04

if you don't make him a

31:06

girl, if you don't acknowledge that, if

31:08

you don't call him other pronouns

31:10

and all this stuff. But the reality

31:13

is it should be the opposite

31:15

where parents who do transition their kids

31:17

are the ones who are punished

31:19

because they actually are misgendering their kids

31:21

by giving them puberty blockers and

31:23

using their child is basically this experiment

31:25

to see kind of what happens

31:27

when they change their gender at such

31:29

a young age. So I think

31:31

that that should be the crime in

31:33

a lot of red states in

31:35

any case because the blue states are

31:38

doing the opposite. Yeah,

31:40

that's exactly right. And I think the Democrats

31:42

don't want to get into this game

31:44

because we're on the right side of history.

31:46

It's an 80 -20 issue in favor of

31:48

parents as opposed to the Democrats. And

31:51

the Republicans in states like Colorado,

31:53

they're taking the moderate position. If anything,

31:55

they're not going and saying, well,

31:57

on the flip side that if you're

31:59

telling your boy that he's actually

32:01

a girl, then you're the one abusing

32:03

the child. The Republicans are taking

32:05

a hands -off approach. If anything, they're

32:07

saying, Well, we're just going to not,

32:09

we're not going to use the

32:12

state to put our thumb on the

32:14

scale one way or the other. And

32:16

so, yeah, the Democrats should back

32:18

off of this issue. And they

32:21

kind of started to in Colorado

32:23

on final passage on that, on

32:25

when they were passing that bill

32:27

to criminalize parents and to basically

32:29

rip kids away from them if

32:31

they quote unquote misgender their child,

32:34

which basically means that to them,

32:36

if they're Calling a

32:38

boy a boy and a girl a

32:40

girl and living in reality and not

32:42

living into the delusions of a small

32:44

child That they would they would take

32:46

the kids away, but on third reading

32:48

They actually cut off debate. They enrolled

32:50

they invoked something called rule 16, which

32:52

means we're not gonna talk about anymore

32:54

We're just gonna ram it through because

32:57

they know it's unpopular. They knew it

32:59

was blowing up in the national media

33:01

even after the second vote They didn't

33:03

want to do it again. They knew

33:05

this was hurting their reputation. It was

33:07

going to be used against them in

33:09

the next election cycle. And

33:11

you know what? We're winning at

33:13

the Supreme Court too. Just a

33:15

couple days ago, the U .S. Supreme

33:18

Court took up a case out

33:20

of Montgomery County, Maryland of all

33:22

places where they used to have

33:24

an opt -out for families if

33:26

they disagreed with the transgender ideology

33:28

in the classroom. They could Families

33:31

used to be able to opt

33:33

out in Maryland for specific instruction

33:35

that violated their religious beliefs. But

33:37

they're still teaching the transgender ideology.

33:39

But they're still doing it, and

33:42

guess what? They now don't allow

33:44

you to opt out. I guess

33:46

they got lobbied by the gender

33:48

ideology lobby. who wanted them to

33:50

force feed this material down the

33:52

throats of young children. Even Randy

33:55

Weingarten went on Fox News a

33:57

couple days ago with Martha McCollum.

33:59

And she was forced to concede

34:01

that if she was teaching those

34:03

kids, Randy Weingarten, she wouldn't

34:05

be teaching this material to four to

34:07

six year olds. She even admitted

34:09

that on Fox News. So case closed,

34:12

let's call it a day. And

34:14

based on the comments, the oral arguments

34:16

in that case, Adam Montgomery County,

34:18

Maryland, they're gonna rule on the

34:20

side of parents. I think it actually, you

34:22

might get one of the liberal justices,

34:24

Justice Kagan, she was even

34:26

hinting that, you know, she said

34:28

that non -religious parents might even

34:30

be object to this material.

34:32

Religious parents, they're absolutely gonna have

34:34

a problem with this, so

34:36

it might even be a 7

34:38

-2 ruling in favor of parental

34:40

rights and education. That's gonna

34:42

be a big win, and it

34:44

hopefully gets some of these rogue

34:46

school districts in different states, red

34:48

states and blue states, they do

34:50

this everywhere, to kind of back

34:52

off and focus on the basics,

34:55

focus on education as opposed to

34:57

indoctrination. And I just got to

34:59

point out Judge Jackson, who doesn't

35:01

know what a woman is, she

35:03

made the argument that, you know

35:05

what, if you don't like what

35:07

the public school's teaching, if it

35:09

violates your religious beliefs and values,

35:12

too bad. It's not a big deal. You can

35:14

just pay to go to a private school or

35:16

you can homeschool your kid. And it's like, read

35:19

the room, Judge Jackson. It's

35:21

easy for her to say she

35:23

sent both of her kids

35:25

to a private school in Washington

35:27

DC called Georgetown Day School.

35:29

Costs about the same as Harvard

35:31

University. Costs about $60 ,000 per

35:33

student in tuition each year. Well,

35:36

That's a great argument for school

35:38

choice. If you're saying the public schools

35:40

can't meet families needs and it's

35:42

going to cause chaos if they opt

35:44

out of certain curriculum. Well,

35:46

how about other families get a choice

35:48

too? How about the money that we're

35:50

spending in the public schools, which on

35:52

average nationwide is about $20 ,000 per kid,

35:55

which is about 60 % higher than

35:57

average private school tuition in this country.

35:59

How about we let that money follow

36:01

the child? We only need about half

36:03

of it. And then families who a

36:06

religious education won't have to

36:08

have their rights violated anymore. We

36:10

already do this for other

36:12

specialized categories like kids with special

36:14

needs real quick. Under the

36:17

Individuals with Disabilities Education Act, IDEA,

36:19

if a district is not meeting

36:21

a kid's special need, they will

36:24

be compelled to pay for that

36:26

kid's private education where they can

36:28

get their needs met. We already

36:30

have school choice in a way

36:32

for students with disabilities. Well, what

36:34

about for religious families, public schools

36:37

and most they can't be religious. And

36:39

so if you're a religious family and

36:41

you want to raise your kid with

36:43

religious values and have that moral compass,

36:45

you don't really have a choice. You

36:48

got to pay twice and a

36:50

lot of families can't afford to

36:52

pay twice once through taxes and

36:54

to get out of pocket. So

36:56

let's apply what we've done with

36:58

special needs families to religious families

37:00

too, because the public schools, they're

37:02

falling short for these families and

37:04

they shouldn't be discriminating against the

37:06

entire system, not just this one

37:08

in Montgomery County. The entire system

37:10

overall discriminates against religious families because

37:12

they can't get the kind of

37:14

education they want for their kids.

37:17

Right. And Kataji Brown Jackson

37:20

is one of the most liberal judges.

37:22

I have that quote from her here.

37:24

She says, if your public schools curriculum

37:26

violates your religious beliefs, You

37:28

can go to a private school. She

37:30

says, quote, you have a choice. You can

37:32

homeschool them. So it's

37:34

interesting because to her, I

37:37

guess the default is

37:39

have schools teach liberal gender

37:41

ideology. And if you believe

37:43

in science, if you believe in the difference

37:45

between a man and a woman, then it's

37:47

on you to homeschool or pull them out

37:49

of the school. The reality should

37:52

be that the schools teach, here's

37:54

a man, here's a woman. That's

37:56

what science is, biology. And

37:58

if you're a parent who opposes that, then

38:00

you can take your kid out of the class,

38:02

I guess. So I don't know why the

38:05

default has all of a sudden become crazy land.

38:07

And now we have to be the ones

38:09

who are saying, oh, no, we have to pull

38:11

our kids from the school because, hypothetically,

38:13

I would think this would apply

38:15

to Christian families, but also Jewish

38:17

families, Muslim families, atheist families, like

38:19

Justice Kagan was saying. So I

38:21

don't know why we're all catering

38:24

to this tiny percentage of crazy

38:26

parents or even people who are

38:28

probably a higher percentage of these

38:30

bureaucrats and teachers, sadly, are liberal,

38:32

low -women who get in there

38:34

and then they decide they want

38:36

to use this little child in

38:38

this little classroom as their kind

38:40

of experimental place where they can

38:42

make their mark on the world

38:44

and teach people. probably many of

38:46

these women, you know, don't have

38:48

kids of their own and so

38:50

on. So they feel like this

38:52

is their way to make a

38:55

difference. But in fact, they're actually

38:57

just brainwashing these kids. So this

38:59

has to stop somewhere. I mean,

39:01

the Supreme Court, and then also,

39:03

you know, we've seen local parents

39:05

getting involved. You mentioned Glen Youngkin

39:07

race. And even in

39:09

places where the kids are being

39:11

used as pawns, you know, we

39:13

talked about school choice, but in

39:15

a lot of inner cities, it's

39:17

like these kids aren't getting an

39:19

education some of them don't even

39:21

pass and yet their schools are

39:23

getting all this money just to

39:26

prop up these bureaucrats and teachers

39:28

who aren't really teaching. I

39:30

mean really good teachers work super

39:32

hard and they should be rewarded but

39:34

what about the teachers who are

39:36

you know just not really doing much

39:38

they're basically letting this all get

39:40

worse. And I don't blame a lot

39:42

of them because I know some

39:44

of them are dealing with really challenging

39:46

situations, sometimes violence and stuff from

39:48

the kids. But that's why I think

39:50

it's just, how can you even

39:52

learn in an environment like that? If

39:55

you're in an environment where there

39:57

are gangs and so on, I mean,

39:59

you can't be focused on actually

40:01

reading the homework or going over math

40:03

for the day. So I don't

40:05

know why those kids have to be

40:07

stuck in those kinds of schools. but

40:10

it seems like so many Americans

40:12

agree on these things especially common sense

40:15

people agree you know we can't

40:17

have gender ideology here horrible schools we

40:19

just have to get rid of

40:21

them or they will get better in

40:23

a new way whatever but we

40:25

can't we can't keep doing this anymore

40:27

yet it seems like there's all

40:29

this red tape there's either red tape

40:31

at the federal government or once

40:33

you get to the state level then

40:35

there's more red tape And it's

40:37

just constant, constant, constant issues as opposed

40:39

to just making things simple. So

40:41

what is kind of your,

40:44

I don't know, maybe mission or

40:46

recommendation of how we can

40:48

just make things about school again?

40:51

Yeah, we have to reclaim our institutions.

40:53

One way is to have school choice

40:55

to provide some accountability because we saw

40:57

what happens when families protested at school

40:59

board meetings and tried to make their

41:01

voices heard. The teachers told us that

41:03

was the way to go before, but

41:05

once families disagreed with them, they didn't

41:07

want to hear it anymore. They cut

41:09

off the mics of parents. They

41:11

label them as domestic terrorists. They're taking

41:13

them to the Supreme Court to try

41:16

to trample on parental rights and education.

41:18

They're ultimately going to lose this war

41:20

because parents care about their kids more

41:22

than anybody else, so they're going to

41:24

fight harder than anybody else. And parents

41:26

have more power in numbers than the

41:29

employees in the system. The problem

41:31

with the government school system is

41:33

that it's been more focused on the

41:35

adults. The government school system has

41:37

unfortunately become more of a jobs program

41:39

for adults than an education initiative

41:41

for kids. I mean, we have

41:43

data on this from 2000 until

41:45

today at the United States federal level.

41:48

And the number of students has

41:50

been relatively flat since 2000.

41:52

It's only increased by about 5%.

41:54

The number of teachers has

41:56

increased by about twice that rate

41:58

by about 10%, but the

42:00

number of administrators in the system

42:02

has increased by about 95%.

42:04

The monopoly has no incentive to

42:06

spend money wisely. So parents, when

42:09

they can say, you know what, if you're

42:11

going to cut off my mic and call me

42:13

an evil person, I'm going to take my

42:15

money somewhere else, that gives the school board and

42:17

the employees an incentive to say, hey, you

42:19

know what, if they're going to take that funding,

42:23

Maybe, hold on, don't leave yet. I'm gonna

42:25

treat you like a customer. I'm

42:27

gonna treat you like a partner in

42:29

the relationship. If you wanna opt out fine,

42:31

they'll actually care more about what the

42:33

parents have to say. And that's how markets

42:35

work. It works in every other area

42:37

of life. It works in education too. And

42:40

I will say this is a fringe

42:42

ideology that they're trying to force into

42:44

the classroom. The problem is the radicals

42:46

have infiltrated the government -run school system.

42:48

They figured out that they don't even

42:50

have to have their own kids anymore.

42:52

They figured, well, I can just take

42:55

over the schools where they have about

42:57

50 million kids churning through that system

42:59

every year for 13 years of their

43:01

lives for seven hours a day. They

43:03

have a captive audience. They have compulsory

43:05

education laws that force the kids to

43:07

go there. You're forced to pay for

43:10

it. And if you don't like it,

43:12

Judge Jackson tells you, too bad. You

43:14

can just pay again, like I did

43:16

for my kid that goes to $60 ,000

43:18

a year private school. Judge

43:20

Jackson just revealed her true

43:22

colors. She basically had her Mary

43:25

Antoinette moment where she said,

43:27

let the meat cake. It's

43:29

just so easy to just go to pay

43:31

out of pocket, to home school, or to

43:33

private school, your kid when you're already having

43:35

to pay for the public school. I

43:40

think the school choice train is

43:42

going to continue. We've had 16 states

43:44

go all in on the issue. We're

43:46

going to have more. New Hampshire will

43:48

be the next government run school monopoly domino

43:50

to fall. And we're going to keep

43:52

winning on the issue. Danielle, we're

43:54

winning so much. I'm almost getting tired of

43:56

winning. But we're not done

43:58

yet. We've got to get those blue

44:01

states to come along. And if they

44:03

don't, if they keep kicking and screaming

44:05

to fight against parents, we're going to

44:07

have to turn them to red states

44:09

too. And that will be the way

44:11

we unleash education freedom for all. Yeah.

44:15

Well, I want to ask you something a little bit different. What

44:17

do you think about these kind

44:19

of schools and areas that are

44:21

popping up that are mostly illegal

44:23

immigrants and these areas where I've

44:25

heard even in Texas, it's

44:28

all illegals. And

44:30

who is probably paying for this? Text

44:32

payers. So. It's

44:35

very frustrating because our system

44:37

is also getting burdened by illegals

44:39

who are abusing the system. And

44:42

I mean, we have to stop

44:44

this because at a certain point, how

44:46

can we ever give a good

44:48

education to American children if we have

44:50

all of these illegals? That's

44:52

exactly right. And this public schools

44:55

do have an incentive to let

44:57

as many legals in as possible

44:59

because guess what? They're funded based

45:01

on how many students they have

45:03

in the school. So if they

45:05

can open the floodgates, Texas public

45:07

schools, the numbers just came out

45:09

last week. They spend over $18

45:11

,000 per kid per year. And

45:14

that is that you just multiply that.

45:16

I mean, just think about it. It's

45:18

millions and millions of dollars. That doesn't

45:20

go to the kids to get a

45:22

good education. They just check

45:24

a box. They get the enrollment up

45:26

and then they don't educate the kid.

45:28

They relegate them to the corner. They

45:30

don't actually teach them anything and they

45:33

have affordable proficiency rates and they're not

45:35

getting a good education. They're not being

45:37

productive citizens. And so we're not seeing

45:39

the return on investment. And

45:41

so there is a Supreme Court

45:43

decision on this from 1982, which

45:45

said that you had to educate

45:47

all kids regardless of their immigration

45:49

status in the public school system.

45:52

We have a different court

45:54

now. And so I think

45:56

a Republican in a Republican

45:59

state should offer a bill

46:01

maybe in Texas to only

46:04

fund the public education

46:06

of students who are here

46:09

legally and the residents

46:11

of the United States legally.

46:14

That may go through and not get

46:16

taken up by the Supreme Court. Maybe

46:18

it just continues as people listen to

46:21

the law, but if it doesn't, it

46:23

goes to the Supreme Court. I don't

46:25

think the left wants to take this

46:27

fight to the Supreme Court because they'll

46:29

probably lose. And that 1982 decision,

46:31

Plylar v. Doe, may be reversed.

46:33

But it's going to take a Republican

46:35

leader to file a bill, either

46:37

in Congress or at the state level,

46:39

to do so. Yeah.

46:43

And it's interesting, because if you think about it, it shouldn't

46:45

be an issue. We just should deport

46:47

all of the illegals. And then

46:50

we don't have to have a special

46:52

law for schools or for illegals.

46:54

who have kids here or something because

46:56

theoretically I mean that basically just

46:58

frees up their parents time to sell

47:00

drugs I guess so I mean

47:02

I don't even know like how we

47:05

have this situation happening at such

47:07

a massive scale we've had these open

47:09

borders but illegals need to be

47:11

deported and at a certain point I

47:13

mean we just can't keep having

47:15

our hospitals our schools our taxpayer dollars

47:17

everything is burdened by this even

47:20

aside from all of the horrible violent

47:22

crimes that are committed by illegals. But

47:25

Corey, thank you so much for

47:27

your thoughts. I appreciate it. And

47:30

hopefully we can keep

47:32

up some education wins

47:34

and ultimately stop this

47:36

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Dinesh. We're

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going to do something a little bit different

48:57

to end the show today. We're going to

48:59

take a question from one of our listeners.

49:02

This question comes from Brie in

49:04

Texas. Hi Danielle,

49:06

this is Bree. I love your show

49:08

and how you say we need

49:10

to be the counterculture. I totally agree

49:12

with you. Well, if I want

49:14

to be the counterculture to my friends and

49:16

in my community, how do you recommend I

49:18

respond when people ask me to affirm their

49:20

views on things? If I don't

49:22

believe what they are saying, it's gotten to

49:24

the point where someone may not even be

49:26

my friend anymore. If I don't agree with

49:28

them and I want to ask you what

49:30

you would do if you were facing this.

49:32

I, of course, don't want to be a

49:34

sheep and don't want to go along with

49:36

the tide around me. But how can I

49:38

apply being the counterculture in this situation with

49:41

friends who might try and cancel me? That

49:43

is a great question, Bree. I

49:46

think so many young people

49:48

are facing this issue today.

49:50

Honestly, I think this

49:53

has been happening to young conservatives

49:55

for quite a long time,

49:57

certainly during Trump's first campaign and

49:59

presidency. even in

50:01

the years in between when Biden

50:03

was in office and now and

50:05

I think it's it is getting

50:07

better for young conservatives where you're

50:09

probably more bold in your beliefs

50:11

at this point if you're a

50:13

conservative because we have been through

50:15

so much of you know the

50:18

left attacking us and censoring us

50:20

and you mentioned friends you know

50:22

defriending you and so on and

50:24

so I think at this point

50:26

if you're conservative you're probably pretty

50:28

tough Um, although I do think

50:30

a lot of people still today

50:32

who are young and who are

50:34

liberal are very liberal. It's kind

50:36

of like either You're Gen Z

50:39

and you're conservative or you're traditional

50:41

or you're very kind of in

50:43

that world or you're the opposite

50:45

you're deep down the road of

50:47

wokeness and so I honestly think

50:49

it would be hard to stay

50:51

friends with someone who is a

50:53

militant um a militant anti anti

50:55

-Trump or if they hate people

50:57

who like Trump, if they hate

51:00

people who are different than they

51:02

are, then I think it would

51:04

be hard to make that friendship

51:06

work and I don't think you

51:08

should put that burden on yourself

51:10

or blame yourself or even really

51:12

continue to try. I know that

51:14

might sound like a different advice

51:16

than other people give because lot

51:18

of other conservatives would say oh

51:20

you know we just keep on

51:23

being loving everybody and eventually everybody

51:25

will love you and um certainly

51:27

we want to be kind to

51:29

people we don't to be rude

51:31

or anything but i think it's

51:33

not your obligation to make everyone

51:35

like you or be best friends

51:37

with everybody because ultimately there's only

51:39

so much time in your day

51:41

there's only so much you know

51:44

time in life and i don't

51:46

think someone who really vehemently hates

51:48

you or who wants to have nothing

51:50

to do with you. I would

51:52

consider someone saying, I'm ashamed of you.

51:54

I want nothing to do with you. I'm

51:56

defriending you. I'm not talking to you

51:58

anymore. I would consider that, well, it's

52:01

not really anything I can do then, you

52:03

know? You're not going to change your

52:05

beliefs. You're not going to say, okay, I'm not

52:07

Christian anymore. Okay, I'm not

52:09

conservative anymore, just so we can

52:11

continue to have conversations that are

52:13

not even rooted in any kind

52:16

of honesty. Um, I think

52:18

to be friends with someone who has

52:20

a different view from you, they have to

52:22

be willing to listen to you and

52:24

you'd be willing to listen to them and

52:26

it's I have a two -way street. Otherwise,

52:28

that's not really a friendship. Um,

52:32

I think, you know, always kind

52:34

of conducting yourself beyond reproach in

52:36

a sense. You don't want to

52:38

be, you don't want to be

52:40

mean to anyone, but I still

52:42

think that there is no obligation

52:44

there to. put a lot

52:46

of effort into those friendships, which are

52:48

not friendships. And to be

52:50

honest, I think over time, whoever are

52:52

your real friends, the people who really do

52:54

care about you, the people who stay

52:57

in your life a long time, you'll realize,

52:59

oh, okay, you know, these are my

53:01

friends. These are the people who do want

53:03

to, you know, hear my thoughts on

53:05

things and we can talk about life. And

53:07

to talk to someone who's constantly

53:09

offended by everything is very exhausting.

53:12

And I totally get if you're Currently

53:14

in school and you're younger maybe

53:16

you can't escape these people because there

53:18

is bullying that goes on and

53:21

there are people out there who are

53:23

super mean That it can be

53:25

a lot harder to just kind of

53:27

you know disengage from someone but

53:29

I think Do the best that you

53:31

can to really just surround yourself

53:33

with Maybe even if it's only a

53:36

couple people who are good friends.

53:38

That's really all you need is a

53:40

couple good friends People

53:42

who share your values try to

53:44

surround yourself with those people and

53:46

I just I just really wouldn't

53:48

even waste my time or put

53:51

the Put the mental energy into

53:53

all those other haters because they're

53:55

thriving off of it. They love

53:57

to You know be rent -free

53:59

in your head and they love

54:01

to think that they're high and

54:03

mighty and better than everybody else

54:06

and the reality is they're just

54:08

You know a confused confused person

54:10

who? Maybe it

54:12

will change. Maybe they'll become conservative as

54:14

they're older, maybe not. But

54:16

you just do your best

54:18

to follow your values, stay

54:20

the right course. And

54:22

honestly, I think at this point, I

54:25

don't know if you saw the New

54:27

York Magazine cover where it's like, conservative

54:29

kids are the cool kids now. It

54:31

said the cruel kids, but it showed

54:33

how they were all the ones who

54:35

were super attractive or going and doing

54:37

fun things and all this stuff. Um,

54:41

so I actually think it's going to

54:43

be cool to be a young MAGA

54:45

conservative and there are so many young

54:47

people who are becoming conservatives. So if

54:49

you are in college or high school

54:51

right now, then, um, you probably do

54:53

have other conservative friends because of what

54:55

we've seen with the demographics changing. Um,

54:59

but I would just lean into that. I

55:01

would embrace it. I would just be

55:03

like, yeah, you know, this is what

55:05

I believe in and I am conservative and

55:07

I support President Trump and honestly the

55:09

left. They're just they're just so negative. They're

55:12

just deep into wokeness and that's

55:14

not going to lead you anywhere. It's

55:16

not going to lead you down

55:18

a path of happiness. It's not going

55:21

to lead you to a future

55:23

good marriage or family or any of

55:25

those things that give you long

55:27

term fulfillment. So I would just focus

55:29

on staying true to your values

55:31

and trying to meet a few friends

55:34

that do a line with you.

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