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1:42

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1:44

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1:48

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1:50

in um, well, it's the same

1:52

date. It's May 30 May 31st

1:54

1889 year of Indiana Jones's dad

1:56

probably. Wow, wow, that's intense. Yeah,

1:59

and I thought about saying that

2:01

for years. Yep, yep. Okay, so

2:03

do you remember where we left

2:05

off Dave? Do you remember what

2:07

was happening? The dam has gone.

2:09

Yeah. So the dam at the

2:12

South Fork Fishing and Hunting Club

2:14

just fucking. This shit damn anyway.

2:16

Well, excuse me. The sluice is

2:18

loose. Okay, so look. It was

2:20

absolute fucking Bedlam. The impact of

2:22

the flood was so much worse

2:24

because of all the things the

2:27

flood was kind of picking up

2:29

along the way. Sometimes there was

2:31

so much debris that the flood

2:33

would actually stop only to build

2:35

up bigger... because of the kind

2:37

of debris bulge. So it was

2:40

making dams as it went down?

2:42

It was kind of self-daming. Self-damming.

2:44

And then it would like projectile

2:46

itself out. picking up steam making

2:48

the flood bigger so and then

2:50

and then that would just mean

2:52

that the flood would go and

2:55

then it would pick up more

2:57

debris because it was moving faster

2:59

and it's cool and you know

3:01

for the most part it's going

3:03

down the Conema Riverbed so it's

3:05

kind of just like you know

3:07

shredding all these places down the

3:10

riverbed but it's super-o-flood places you

3:12

mean houses and People I don't

3:14

know we'll see you could see

3:16

the trees and the telegraph poles

3:18

flying through it Bridges if it

3:20

were to hit one would hold

3:23

it for about 10 minutes sometimes

3:25

But then eventually would give out

3:27

and then the flood would have

3:29

nice big chunks of bridge in

3:31

it too? Mineral point was a

3:33

small city with about 30 houses

3:35

along a single street. It was

3:38

parallel with the river and got

3:40

absolutely hammered first By the time

3:42

the flood had gone through, it

3:44

didn't look like there was ever

3:46

a city there at all. That's

3:48

kind of weak. Yeah. I mean,

3:51

it's... Make a stand. Are you

3:53

talking to the property? Okay, that's

3:55

interesting. That's a take this is

3:57

a this is a podcast about

3:59

property This episode or this show

4:01

in general. It's about property and

4:03

property rights and good property I

4:06

do feel like you kind of

4:08

keep saying what this pipe like

4:10

this is a real estate podcast.

4:12

Okay. Anyway the telegram that we

4:14

discussed in episode in episode one

4:16

that was sent to mineral point.

4:19

That was sent to mineral point

4:21

Right now, right after this flood

4:23

passes, there's a lot of good

4:25

land for grabs, for sale, and

4:27

he can move in and he

4:29

can get some really good deals.

4:31

Right, okay, that just seems... I

4:34

don't, okay. So there was a

4:36

telegram sent by Emma Arendfeld, if

4:38

you remember, in episode one. She

4:40

finally sent the telegram, but the

4:42

operator in Mineral Point never got

4:44

it. I mean, he was forced

4:47

to leave his tower. He said

4:49

the first warning he received was

4:51

seeing people floating by in their

4:53

houses. Which is a bad, that's

4:55

late. It's better than a telegram.

4:57

Yep. Because it kind of lets

4:59

you, you go, oh, okay. And

5:02

there's something bad. There might be

5:04

a flood. You're keyed into it

5:06

at that point. What time is

5:08

it in the middle of the

5:10

night, right? No, no. It's like,

5:12

it's like early afternoon right now.

5:15

It's like maybe three, two, three,

5:17

something like that. So it was

5:19

all gone. Sixteen people died also.

5:21

Emma Arendfeld, who had sent the

5:23

telegraph to Mineral Point and other

5:25

places, also didn't survive the flood.

5:27

So. But you didn't. And how

5:30

many lots are we talking about?

5:32

Lots? Like housing lots. I'm not

5:34

going to get into the property

5:36

stuff. I just. It's a property

5:38

podcast. It really isn't. And you

5:40

just, I mean, we did a

5:43

first episode and it wasn't a

5:45

property, so it feels like you're

5:47

just saying that now. Okay. So

5:49

in the recounts after Mineral point

5:51

was gone, one man explained, a

5:53

conversation between him and another resident.

5:55

So this guy said quote he

5:58

says mineral point is all swept

6:00

away and the people swept away

6:02

and my whole family is gone

6:04

end quote I says quote is

6:06

that so and quote and I

6:08

says do you know anything of

6:11

my family and he says quote

6:13

no I don't I think they

6:15

were all drowned end quote so

6:17

that's a So there was just a catch-up

6:19

neighbor. It's a very brief conversation. I

6:22

think that's why it ended up in

6:24

here. It seemed very conversational. Like, did

6:26

you see the game last night? Yeah.

6:29

See the game? Wow. Down to a

6:31

field goal in overtime. That was close,

6:33

huh? Yeah. All right. I guess you

6:36

get a new wife. See you later.

6:38

So next was East Conema, where

6:40

the rail yard was located. There

6:43

were nine locomotives. that were stored

6:45

there on that day, and then there were

6:47

additional 20 that were waiting on the tracks

6:49

for the weather to pass. So now we're

6:51

talking about property. If you want to

6:53

get into it, we are telling, yeah,

6:55

this is rich guy stuff. There you

6:57

go. So many of the stranded passengers

6:59

had left the trains due to the

7:02

delay, but some of them just stayed

7:04

on the trains to wait it out.

7:06

I would have 100% been a stay

7:08

on train waited out kind of guy.

7:10

Yeah. Engineer John Hess. was pulling seven

7:12

cars into town on the Bellist train

7:14

when he was stopped by a flagman

7:16

who told him. Hess said, quote, I

7:18

don't suppose we have laid there

7:21

more than 20 minutes until we

7:23

heard the flood coming. We didn't

7:25

see it, but we heard the noise of

7:27

it coming. It was like a hurricane

7:29

through wooded country, which is a

7:31

lot of it is about how people

7:33

heard it first. Yeah. People heard,

7:35

does that regular? Sure, okay. The

7:38

first thing he could see. were trees

7:40

on the move more than a flood.

7:42

So they were all very confused when

7:44

they would first see it because it

7:46

did just look like a forest was

7:48

attacking. And then the water, they would

7:51

eventually see the water chaser. There was

7:53

also something they, like the first sign

7:55

of water they saw was actually a

7:57

mist. They called it, I think, the

7:59

black mist. So the first thing they saw

8:01

was like a Tim Burton movie kind

8:03

of coming at them. Like a Sleepy

8:05

Hollow Cool. Yeah, very cool. Very cool

8:07

at first. But then you go, oh,

8:09

what the, you know. And then you,

8:11

well, then you're talking to a guy

8:14

and you're going, you know, hey, do

8:16

you know anything of my family? And

8:18

he's going, oh, no, there's, it's over.

8:20

First the, here's the miss came. And

8:22

then nothing. I said, I said, I

8:24

said, I said, I said, I said,

8:26

I said, I said, I said, I

8:28

said, I said, I said, whoa, I

8:30

said, I said, I said, I said,

8:32

I said, I said, I said, I

8:34

said, I said, I said, I said,

8:36

I said, I said, I said, I

8:38

said, I said, I said, I said,

8:40

I said, I said, I said, I

8:42

said, I said, I said, I said,

8:44

I said I hears me. You be

8:47

him. Okay. I hears me. No, you

8:49

go, did you hear anything of my

8:51

family? No, I don't know. Did you

8:53

hear anything about my family? No, they'll

8:55

be fine. Oh. And then I go

8:57

home like, oh man, I hope he's

8:59

like someone else told him. Okay, so,

9:01

all right, so the first thing he

9:03

sees are these trees on the move.

9:05

The water at this point is coming

9:07

in at 75 feet high. That's very

9:09

high. I think it was changing in

9:11

heights again based on where it was

9:13

sort of stopping, where it was like

9:15

kind of hitting into a bridge and

9:17

shit like that. So there were, it

9:20

fluctuates in height. For people in other

9:22

countries, it's like 23 meters. Yeah. And

9:24

for people in England, it's annoying twiggies.

9:26

Don't ever say that again. Okay. So

9:28

has seas is coming. It's hot, it's

9:30

hot, right? I'm okay, you're on it?

9:32

Yeah, but I might lose the shirt.

9:34

I might have, uh, lose the shirt.

9:36

I have a tropical disease of some

9:38

sort. A loop at you. Yeah, yeah,

9:40

okay. So, okay, so the trees are

9:42

moving, he sees it coming, and Hess

9:44

sees this, and remember, he's on his

9:46

train still, and like an action hero,

9:48

Hess turns to another engineer and said,

9:50

quote, the lakes broke. That's he's right

9:53

he's right and he's jumped into action

9:55

and shouted that all the men and

9:57

women around Needed to run, but he

9:59

stayed on the train why? Do you

10:01

don't abandon your train? Because Hess

10:03

was on a mission. A whistle

10:05

mission. Oh, he's gonna whistle

10:07

the... A wishin. So he's gonna

10:10

whistle to warn people, but

10:12

is he gonna drive the...

10:14

He's gonna whistle to warn

10:16

people, but is he gonna

10:18

drive the train? Is he

10:21

gonna take off while a

10:23

whistling? Do we have a

10:25

Paul Revere situation happen? And

10:27

let's just also add that

10:29

it wasn't. some context. The

10:31

train whistle was actually very

10:34

important to an engineer. Engineers

10:36

would play around with their

10:38

tune, their tone, their tender

10:40

to make sure it sounded

10:42

just right for them. It was

10:44

like a logo, but you know

10:46

a whistle. The whistle was part

10:49

of the man, the job, the

10:51

passion, why gosh it mattered as

10:53

much as the train he

10:55

conducted. Okay? So anyways... And he

10:57

gets the train steaming and moving.

10:59

And not only was he

11:02

holding his whistle down physically,

11:04

but he eventually tied it down

11:06

with rope. And what Hess was doing

11:08

was exactly what he said. He

11:10

was trying to Paul Revere, even though

11:13

he's a fake, trying to warn

11:15

as many people. But the train moves

11:17

slow. The train moves slow. I mean,

11:19

it's a jugge, jugge, jugge, jugge. Well,

11:21

he doesn't have much time. So it's

11:23

not like a... Tesla or something. It's

11:26

on fire. So what he was doing

11:28

was trying to warn as many people

11:30

as possible that could hear it. He

11:32

said, quote, I didn't know what else

11:34

to do. I didn't see what else

11:36

I could do, end quote. And by

11:38

net it worked. The Hess whistle kept

11:40

going as he got closer to Conema

11:42

where he lived and people heard it

11:44

and ran for higher elevation and somewhere

11:47

safe. How did they know just hearing

11:49

the whistle that they had to run

11:51

for a higher ground? So they are

11:53

so familiar. with what a train whistle does.

11:55

So if a train whistle is doing... Like

11:57

you hear like a choo-choo. Yeah, but if

11:59

this was... going, go, go, go, go,

12:01

go, go, go, go, go. Well,

12:03

it's really going like, and like,

12:05

there's a flood, like, they, like,

12:07

there's a huge storm, so people

12:09

like freak out, so people, like,

12:11

freak out, so people. So these

12:13

people are fucking weirdos. These people

12:16

are train weirdos. I don't know

12:18

what to tell you. And then

12:20

so he takes the train all

12:22

the way to where he lives.

12:24

Yeah, it is house. And literally,

12:26

and he just jumps off. And

12:28

he gets to his house just

12:30

in the nick of time. He

12:32

saved countless lives there in Conema

12:34

and in Woodville. This is like

12:36

the guy who saved all his

12:38

people's lives in Althedina a couple

12:40

months ago. Never heard of him.

12:42

What did he do? He's this

12:44

random, he's this dude who graduated

12:46

from like a climate, some sort

12:48

of climate, you know, degree. And

12:50

he, and I've always followed him

12:52

and he's just... talks about going

12:54

up in the park and now

12:56

that eating and stuff and in

12:58

the middle of night he put

13:00

out on a Facebook group he

13:02

said everybody get out and that

13:04

was like two hours before the

13:06

fire hit he saved like many

13:09

lives it's like his Facebook's a

13:11

train whistle right apparently on Facebook

13:13

he he typed in to that's

13:15

why because people hear that and

13:17

they know yeah and so it

13:19

was T-O-O-T a lag train I

13:21

don't turn on the AC. You

13:23

keep up. Okay, all right. So

13:25

full trains and pretzled track were

13:27

now in the floodwaters ahead. So

13:29

the... You know, the train station

13:31

gets pretty much demolished. Some survive.

13:33

Some of the people on the

13:35

trains, obviously don't make it. Some

13:37

do. Now there's a pretty big

13:39

lot there. So I think, you

13:41

know, get in there. Sears or

13:43

larger company. It's a good location.

13:45

This is a long time ago.

13:47

And maybe movie theater. This is

13:49

a while ago. I don't think

13:51

they had that. Yeah, but it's

13:53

a good piece of land. Okay,

13:55

some of the trains were Pullmans.

13:57

Just so you know, just for

13:59

a callback. An hour. Yeah. No,

14:02

it's been a little longer. Okay.

14:04

And now two towns in an

14:06

hour. No, more a few. There's

14:08

a few towns, but those are

14:10

the main ones. Okay. So at

14:12

407, I mean, it's it's a

14:14

river. So it's like it is

14:16

going for a while going down.

14:18

It's kind of like I think

14:20

they call it a river. That's

14:22

what it is. Yeah. It's a

14:24

river. I can't remember what they

14:26

call it. It's not horseshoeing, but

14:28

something like that where like, as

14:30

it would get to the... Sure,

14:32

it sloshes. Okay, so at 407,

14:34

it was time for Johnstown. All

14:36

right. Oh no, Wade, that's bad.

14:38

It's all bad. The flooded in

14:40

three different directions through the city,

14:42

about 40 miles per hour at

14:44

this point. How many people are

14:46

living there in Johnstown? Well, there's

14:48

quite a lot. I mean thousands.

14:50

So, 40 miles per hour, truly

14:52

a wall of water consuming everything

14:55

it got near. Cambria Iron from,

14:57

I remember Daniel Morrell, his company,

14:59

uh, whatever. Yeah, here we go.

15:01

So Cambria Iron. The Daniel Morel

15:03

Company we talked about in the

15:05

first one the guy with the

15:07

neck beard that people really enjoyed

15:09

Yeah, good guy. The visual he's

15:11

a great guy Yeah. Cambry iron

15:13

had been fulfilling some orders for

15:15

barbed wire at the time that

15:17

it got totally leveled by the

15:19

flood I don't like this at

15:21

all. So the flood now had

15:23

barbed wire in it too. Oh

15:25

my god, which is good because

15:27

you want barbed wire you want

15:29

trains you want all that stuff

15:31

in your flood you want bridges?

15:33

So like we said, so now

15:35

there's barbed wire, trains, parts of

15:37

the bridge, and the flood. It's

15:39

great. There's a lot of stuff.

15:41

It's a lot of stuff. It's

15:43

like a pier, one imports. Like

15:45

if I'm downstream, I'm just going

15:48

to probably not get in it.

15:50

I also would think about the

15:52

people who could kind of dig

15:54

in there for stuff they've wanted.

15:56

Like if you want barbed wire,

15:58

this could be great for you.

16:00

be a melon real quick. The

16:02

waters were also picking up houses.

16:04

In Johnstown, the waters, so like

16:06

they were like demolishing houses before,

16:08

but in Johnstown, the waters hit

16:10

a wooden house with a woman

16:12

who was baking. The house was

16:14

ripped from its foundation and flipped

16:16

on its side and the oven

16:18

for baking fell over and then

16:20

so the house caught on fire.

16:22

So a firehouse is now being

16:24

moved by the rush of water.

16:26

Uh-huh. And now you've got a

16:28

fire flood. So now you've got

16:30

a flood with fire. That's on

16:32

her. I agree. And that's something

16:35

we've just started to get into

16:37

in America again when we were

16:39

lighting fires on oceans and stuff.

16:42

If you hear the rumble of a

16:44

flood, you turn off the stove. I

16:46

agree. And that's how it works back

16:48

then. Known staples of the city were

16:50

gone or destroyed or burned. All of

16:53

the above roofs, trees, telegraph poles, pieces

16:55

of bridge box, train cars. And like

16:57

we said, that's sweet-ass barbed wire. Also

17:00

a ton of dead animals and people.

17:02

As the flood crossed through town, it

17:04

hit a bridge at the end of

17:06

the city and was kind of stopped.

17:09

It was sort of halted. At this

17:11

point it was covering approximately

17:13

30 acres. There were 1600

17:16

wood structures in it. It

17:18

was like a makeshift dam

17:20

due to all the solid

17:22

waste that had had kind

17:24

of accumulated, which is good. Well,

17:27

well good, you know, that it like

17:29

self-stops kind of, yeah, stopping

17:31

is good for now. But you

17:34

can get some night and get

17:36

some fishing ends, little recreation. Well,

17:38

but well, but hold on because

17:40

with all the debris, with all

17:43

the debris There's people trapped

17:45

in it and they can get

17:47

out. No, they can't and the

17:49

worst thing that could possibly happen

17:51

happened Which is then that debris

17:54

caught fire. It's hard to know

17:56

exactly what happened how a massive

17:58

dam of debris was smoking on

18:00

fire. No, maybe it was, but

18:02

what they think is that it

18:05

was a derailed train tank car

18:07

that was in the mix and

18:09

some coals had spilled from the

18:11

train car. And then so, you

18:13

know, like 80 more people died

18:16

from there from the fire. Now

18:18

I also think, I imagine being

18:20

stuck in a floor. You'd die

18:22

from fire. Honestly, I'm trying not

18:24

to go too dark because, you

18:26

know, it's not funny. The accounts

18:29

of the accounts of what people

18:31

were hearing are just horrific I

18:33

mean, they're just like you know,

18:35

and like people are trying to

18:37

help people All right, so the

18:40

total death toll was 2,209 now

18:42

I Think what also happened was

18:44

like when it kind of stopped

18:46

its momentum here A lot of

18:48

it like rushed back and like

18:50

did another pass through Johnstown too.

18:53

So Johnstown completely gets fucked. Like

18:55

it of all of them is

18:57

the one that just completely gets

18:59

fucked. So look, David, obviously there

19:01

is a tremendous amount of darkness

19:04

in this event. Dave, we don't

19:06

need the formal. I'm teaching you.

19:08

I'm your professor today. And I'm

19:10

pretty cool. But I'm not going

19:12

to be that cool. But how

19:14

about this? Maybe after class, we

19:17

can go to the common and

19:19

you and I could smoke a

19:21

jaybone, play a little frolf. Don't

19:23

tell your mama. Frolf? Mm-hmm. What

19:25

is frolf? Frisbee golf? Okay, just

19:28

read your story. Hey. I want

19:30

to talk to you about this

19:32

stuff. You're not cool. You seem

19:34

pretty down lately. Talk to your

19:36

teacher is also cool. You, I'm

19:39

down. Hey, teach. You're not my

19:41

teacher. Say teach. You're a guy

19:43

reading a fucking story. Buddy, you

19:45

didn't know any of this. I

19:47

knew it. Get back to the...

19:49

I read over one and a

19:52

half books. Maybe. I'm really uncomfortable.

19:54

Hey. No. Hey. Maybe after class

19:56

we can go do some milkshakes.

19:58

Try to... You look so mad.

20:00

What's going on at home? Sure.

20:03

Yeah, no. Go do milkshakes afterwards.

20:05

Just finish the story. He's dead.

20:07

What's dead? Is your dad doing

20:09

something? He's dead. What did he

20:11

die from? He died in a

20:13

fucking fire after a dam crashed

20:16

through the town. Dam. Dam. Yeah.

20:18

Dam is right. That's where the

20:20

phrase came from. That's tough man.

20:22

Yeah, maybe you come over to

20:24

my house later tonight and we

20:27

can watch the never-ending story. Okay.

20:29

Why don't you just finish this

20:31

and we'll get on with that.

20:33

This is an ending story. Well,

20:35

we'll watch tonight. It'll be a

20:37

little bit. Hey. All right. Chill,

20:40

man. All right. Obviously, there's a

20:42

tremendous amount of darkness in this

20:44

event. So... Rather than focus on

20:46

all the deaths because they're very

20:48

dark. I'm going to tell you

20:51

some amazing stories of survival and

20:53

heroism. Like when Victor Heiser went

20:55

to go check on his family's

20:57

horses in the barn when the

20:59

epic storm was going on and

21:02

then the flood hits and it

21:04

hit the barn and the barn

21:06

was lifted up like a lot

21:08

of the other places was fully

21:10

lifted up. His dad and he

21:12

had just built like a trap

21:15

door from the barn to like

21:17

the roof. So Victor quickly ran

21:19

to the roof through the trap

21:21

door in the barn and then

21:23

he was up on the house.

21:26

So while the house is moving.

21:28

down the floodwaters he's made his

21:30

way to the top to the

21:32

roof he's kind of barn surfing

21:34

sure as he took off he

21:36

sees that one of his neighbor's

21:39

houses is still actually standing so

21:41

he kind of walks to the

21:43

edge of his roof and he

21:45

Jackie Chan jumped off of the

21:47

barn roof is he at any

21:50

time during this is he yelling

21:52

Yahoo I don't they don't have

21:54

that I think I don't think

21:56

these people were celebrating it as

21:58

much as a What about cow

22:00

bunga? That he did yell. Yeah.

22:03

Other people yelled that too. Okay.

22:05

So he jacking chains off of

22:07

that barn of his family's barn

22:09

roof onto the neighbor's house and

22:11

then he gets onto their roof

22:13

and as soon as he gets

22:15

onto their roof that caves in.

22:17

Yeah. And so that caves in

22:20

and he falls and he kind

22:22

of is hanging on the edge

22:24

on one of the eaves of

22:26

the building. But the water is rushing

22:28

beneath him and he's trying to get

22:30

his foot up but he can't get

22:32

a foothold and eventually he's so tired

22:35

his fingers gave in and he falls

22:37

off the building onto a piece. of

22:39

debris, it's someone else's roof. So he

22:41

lands on this roof debris and now

22:43

he's rushing down the flood water on

22:46

the roof, so he's roof boarding, they

22:48

call it, and it became a huge

22:50

thing in the X Games. As he

22:52

cruised down the flood, he was passing

22:55

other people from the neighborhood who were

22:57

also debris kayaking. Literally he sees

22:59

these people who run a fruit

23:02

stand and he's like, hey, what's

23:04

going on? But he's like, yeah,

23:06

he's fucking crazy. Did you come

23:09

get any strawberries? Did you

23:11

see the new strawberries

23:13

coming? And so. So he

23:16

holds on, he surfs down the

23:18

water, trees are passing over him,

23:20

like he's ducking trees, dodging them,

23:22

and then a train car literally

23:24

kind of just goes over him,

23:26

and now the roof splits apart,

23:28

and he gets on a half

23:31

of it, and that half because

23:33

of what the train did, just

23:35

kind of gave him momentum, and

23:37

he said, quote, that he shot

23:39

out from beneath the freight car

23:41

like a bullet from a gun.

23:43

and now he's headed towards this

23:46

brick building that's still in place and

23:48

he jumped off of the wood ski to

23:50

the roof where he was now with others

23:52

who were surviving this ordeal. None of them

23:54

like him, but still, quote, I was able

23:57

to hop to the roof and join a

23:59

small group of... people already stranded their

24:01

end quote and he checked his pocket

24:03

watch right before the barn took off

24:05

and right after he got to safety

24:07

and the whole thing took 10 minutes.

24:10

I mean it's all right he should

24:12

have had his video going on his

24:14

phone like out there would be a

24:16

great tech talk. This would be good

24:18

for go-pros but he didn't even have

24:20

one. Yeah I guess you could be

24:23

great to have like a head. Yeah

24:25

that would have been smart to have

24:27

some sort of head out. So it

24:29

sounds like he blew it a little

24:31

bit a little bit. I, they, when

24:33

you read back a lot of people

24:36

like this stories, I don't think they

24:38

thought he blew it. Yeah. But it's

24:40

good to get fresh eyes on stuff

24:42

like that. I think you're kind of

24:44

providing something that is helpful. And maybe

24:46

that'll be fun tonight when we go

24:49

get some pizza. Teach, teach, and David.

24:51

Hey, that'll be so whack, Jack. Off.

24:53

Okay. There's also a story

24:55

of two men who were leaning out

24:57

of opposite windows like across from the

24:59

flood and of small white buildings And

25:01

they were using long sticks to try

25:03

to rescue as many people as they

25:05

could and As the floodwaters are gaining

25:07

one of them had a baby What

25:09

was a baby? One of them had

25:11

a baby. Huh in the water someone

25:13

got a baby? I don't think it

25:15

was a baby. They saved from the

25:17

water. I think there was a it

25:19

might have been there I mean look

25:21

I mean look I mean look I

25:23

mean look I Well, anyway, so one

25:25

of them has a baby and shouts

25:27

to the other person across the way

25:29

and they said, quote, throw that baby

25:31

over here, end quote. And the other

25:33

one shouted, quote, do you think you

25:35

could catch her, end quote. And the

25:37

other guy says, quote, we could try.

25:40

Yeah, we'll give a shot. So the

25:42

other guy tosses the baby 15 feet

25:44

over the water in the arms of

25:46

another guy and that guy caught it

25:48

in the baby survived. And the baby

25:50

broke. No, no, baby survived. Because when

25:52

you throw a baby that far, I

25:54

mean, they say don't throw a baby

25:56

20 feet because that's definitely going to

25:58

break, but like a 15 foot, you

26:00

got like a 75% chance or just

26:02

snapping it. Well, this is why when

26:04

people see. them people throw their kids

26:06

into pools and stuff like that there's

26:08

a lot of people like hey take

26:10

this is why you do it yeah

26:12

you train in the off season for

26:14

the event yeah so it's it's really

26:16

about you know how you've got to

26:18

know look a baby'll fly they fly

26:20

I mean you know I mean it's

26:22

like two footballs especially if someone is

26:24

good a baby throwing and that's why

26:26

I think we should bring this back

26:28

to the Olympics. Yeah in LA which

26:30

we're all excited about absolutely yeah that's

26:32

gonna be good. Another guy just surf

26:34

the whole time on a mattress for

26:36

four miles and survived? I mean that's

26:38

yeah yeah I would do that that'd

26:40

be me. That guy was like definitely

26:42

at the end like, hey. I can't

26:44

believe it floated that long without sinking,

26:46

but okay. Well, another family stayed in

26:48

their house all night and just floated

26:50

on their bed the whole night. I'm

26:52

guessing it probably had a wood base,

26:54

but they just floated. Again, mixed in

26:56

here are a lot of stories that

26:59

are not anywhere like this. Well, I

27:01

want to just say as far as

27:03

the floating in the house story, their

27:05

story sucks. Yeah, it's not great. I

27:07

think you'll like this one. One guy

27:09

named Leroy Temple was counted as dead,

27:11

but was actually very much alive. After

27:13

the flood carried him away from his

27:15

home, he hit the stone bridge, got

27:17

out, climbed this embankment, and immediately walked

27:19

to Massachusetts where he was from originally.

27:21

So he literally went... How far of

27:23

a walk is that? A thousand miles?

27:25

It's a distance. It's maybe under a

27:27

thousand... It's still fucking... It's crazy to

27:29

go from bridge to Boston. Hundreds of

27:31

miles. Nothing here. Yeah, or you're just

27:33

like well fuck that like that's what

27:35

I would do after like climb You

27:37

know what I mean? That's like what

27:39

you feel like doing People in Johnstown

27:41

thought it was a myth thought his

27:43

story was made up because there were

27:45

a lot of made up stories Thought

27:47

his story was a myth, but 10

27:49

years later. He returned and everyone was

27:51

like holy shit. There you are. Yeah,

27:53

he's like cool. I just went to

27:55

Massachusetts for a while yeah, I took

27:57

a break. This place is a bummer

27:59

get out of the place you were

28:01

born in? Well, he was born

28:04

in Massachusetts. Never mind. So, you know,

28:06

it's not. I'd say it's just good to

28:08

get out of the places that are

28:10

flooding with the... The place is

28:12

under 75-3 water. Yeah, yeah. Okay,

28:15

so, Dave, the destruction was still

28:17

unfathomable, incomparable. It was and remains

28:19

to be the deadliest flood in

28:21

the history of the United States.

28:23

Okay, so let me ask you

28:26

this, we'll get into this now.

28:28

Who didn't pay? Go ahead. Who didn't

28:30

pay? Who didn't pay for the crime?

28:32

Oh, well, I don't know. What do you

28:34

mean? I don't get into that. You're

28:36

not going to talk about how

28:38

no one was held accountable? Come

28:41

on. You think that's what this

28:43

is all about? Yes. One out

28:45

of every three bodies was unidentified.

28:47

Basically, one person out of every

28:50

10 that was around died. And

28:52

Johnstown got it worse. There was

28:54

more like, you know, nine out of every

28:56

nine. But America, you know us, we love

28:58

fucking tragedy porn. We do. So America couldn't

29:01

stop reading about the flood as estimates were

29:03

all over the map as how many people

29:05

had passed away. Some papers were estimating 10,000

29:07

and higher. I agree with that. The Pittsburgh,

29:09

I don't think that's right. The Pittsburgh Post

29:12

Gazette was so sought after. that it

29:14

had to shrink its page

29:16

size so that it could print

29:18

enough additions. I've done that. It

29:21

was called the great calamity

29:23

or the nation's greatest calamity or

29:25

the historic catastrophe. The papers

29:27

kept printing the names of

29:29

all the dead. It was kind

29:32

of one of those morbid

29:34

press fascinations fueled by people unable

29:36

to get enough. Right. So not

29:38

knowing where, and that also is

29:40

like, we do that now, but. Back then.

29:42

So that's the thing, like, we

29:44

are so into that now, like

29:47

reading about the awful stuff. But

29:49

back then, I mean, this just

29:51

had to be like, as good

29:53

as it had, it does, it's

29:55

that. Yeah, people like it. People

29:57

like a disaster story. Yeah.

29:59

And then, but what is, this

30:02

one is obviously a huge disaster,

30:04

so you should be, have some

30:06

sort of interest or entry, but

30:08

you know, it's like now we'll

30:10

go like, a hiker got stabbed.

30:12

Right. We got a kick at

30:14

every, you know. The thing's called

30:16

the hicker. Nice. So not knowing

30:18

where the interest pieces should stop,

30:20

the Philadelphia press had a story

30:22

on June 5th about the undertakers

30:24

in the area. So this is

30:26

where they're kind of finding the

30:28

bottom. They're busy. They're busy. It's

30:30

the busy. Well, that's what this

30:32

story really is about. Undertakers in

30:34

the area read, quote, One of

30:37

the most ghastly and nauseous sights

30:39

to those on accustomed to scenes

30:41

of death is the launching arrangement

30:43

for the undertakers. These men are

30:45

working so hard that they have

30:47

no time for meals and huge

30:49

boilers of steaming coffee, loaves of

30:51

bread, and dried beef and preserves

30:53

are carried into the channel house

30:55

and placed at the disposal of

30:57

the workers. And you don't want

30:59

to get the beef and the

31:01

people mixed up. Along comes one

31:03

weary toilet, his sleeves rolled up

31:05

and apron... in front of his

31:07

perspiring profusely, despite the cold damp

31:10

weather. He was just finishing washing

31:12

a clammy corpse, has dabbed it

31:14

with cold water, manipulated it about

31:16

on the boards, and in the

31:18

interval before the body of another

31:20

poor wretches brought in, gets a

31:22

cup of coffee and a sandwich.

31:24

With dripping hands, he eats his

31:26

lunch with relish, setting his cup

31:28

occasionally beside the hideous face of

31:30

a decomposing corpse and to oblivious

31:32

to his horrible surrounding. Does the

31:34

sandwich have relish on it or

31:36

is he relishing the sandwich? I

31:38

think, well, he eats his lunch

31:40

with relish. I think he's having

31:42

a cider relish. Now I want

31:45

to point out that's a wild

31:47

first question. That's a wild follow-up.

31:49

Let's get the basic sandwich. I

31:51

don't think the first, like they're

31:53

talking about how this guy, he's

31:55

not washing his... Right, but he's,

31:57

like, I think the important thing

31:59

here is, what's he eating? Like,

32:01

let's... They got into that, but

32:03

the idea, I mean, you know

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on a sandwich. That he wipes

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his hand. Then he wipes the

37:16

corpse's mouth. Yeah. Well, he's just

37:18

eating brain. Yeah. You know, because

37:20

he thinks it's the relish, which

37:22

is actually a good point about

37:24

the relish. This is how the

37:26

next post story, which is the

37:29

zombie outbreak. No, I'll handle, again,

37:31

I'll handle, don't talk about what's

37:33

coming up or where you think

37:35

this is going. And let's not

37:37

forget to get swim lessons. Okay,

37:39

so the funniest piece of journalism,

37:41

well also... It's interesting that you

37:43

framed it that way. I also

37:45

took out the thing about a

37:47

fake Paul Revere that they made

37:49

up. Oh yeah. They made up

37:51

their own fake Paul Revere. And

37:53

he was this guy named, I

37:55

can't remember what his name was,

37:57

but he's the horn. He's the

37:59

guy who came and he was

38:01

telling everybody. Yeah, yeah, so he

38:04

existed in the papers for like

38:06

three years or two years. And

38:08

he wasn't real. Was not real.

38:10

Okay, so the funniest bit of

38:12

journalism I think was this Johnstown

38:14

woman. who was called a bride,

38:16

she wasn't even called a woman,

38:18

they were like, a Johnstown bride,

38:20

who was quoted as saying, quote,

38:22

today they took five little children

38:24

out of the water who had

38:26

been playing ring around the rosy,

38:28

their hands were clasped in a

38:30

clap, which even in death did

38:32

not loosen, and their faces were

38:34

still smiling. So they're having a

38:37

good time. I just they immediately

38:39

people were like that's not no

38:41

that wouldn't happen They weren't frozen

38:43

like no they're in demolition once

38:45

the water hits he sees up.

38:47

Oh no once the water to

38:49

go like this they're probably freaked

38:51

out if they exist you be

38:53

the water I'll be the kid.

38:55

Okay water coming coming coming coming

38:57

coming okay so the second it

38:59

touches you so it is a

39:01

little terminator yeah you grab and

39:03

then the smile goes up and

39:05

your I just don't believe the

39:07

smile would hang I think that...

39:09

I think that... Look, the drowning...

39:12

1889 called bullshit. 1889... drowning takes

39:14

a couple minutes and how long

39:16

does it take to lose a

39:18

smile, three? A lifetime. Okay, another

39:20

euro was Ms. Clara Barton. who

39:22

was brought in from the recently

39:24

started American Red Cross. She was

39:26

67 years old and set up

39:28

headquarters in a railroad car that

39:30

was not being used. She made

39:32

herself a makeshift desk and she

39:34

started sending out orders immediately. She

39:36

got construction underway for temporary houses

39:38

for those who had lost their

39:40

homes and had surveys to see

39:42

how many people in the area

39:44

needed any attention. She in the

39:47

Red Cross did an amazing job

39:49

and she was promised they would

39:51

stay as long as there was

39:53

work to do. We always we

39:55

are always the last to leave

39:57

the field end quote and she

39:59

meant She stayed a full five

40:01

months never leaving once David. She's

40:03

a reminder of what can be

40:05

done when funding goes to organizations

40:07

to help people in disasters. So

40:09

she just without permission to go

40:11

for a rail car? No, that's

40:13

not you're framing her as a

40:15

villain. That's what I heard. This

40:17

is a person who helped. What

40:19

sounds like she just went in

40:22

and commandeared some else's proper. No.

40:24

No. She's helped. She set up

40:26

a fucking office and a train.

40:28

I mean, that's what you're mad

40:30

about everybody has no like She's

40:32

a hero. I just think he

40:34

got nobody nobody has poured water

40:36

on her It just at some

40:38

point you got to ask like

40:40

who's taking the race? All right,

40:42

so excuse me Who said you

40:44

could be here? You can't mean

40:46

I need to see some identification

40:48

please? This is not okay. Do

40:50

you work for the railroad the

40:52

Red Cross? The fuck is I

40:55

never heard of that Get out

40:57

of here, you fucking deadbeat. Well,

40:59

that's what I love now to,

41:01

like, when you see, like, that's

41:03

why I just don't fucking, we're

41:05

so accustomed now to when there's

41:07

a natural disaster, everything being like,

41:09

well, you donate to the American

41:11

record. It's like, we, we have

41:13

the fucking month, like, put it.

41:15

Why don't you take some of

41:17

that bomb money? Yeah, why don't

41:19

you take the bomb money and

41:21

just go to like, but instead

41:23

they're just like, I mean, again,

41:25

it's not a lack of sympathy

41:27

for those who are in disasters.

41:30

It's just like, you fucking, you

41:32

do it, you have all the

41:34

shit. You took all of our

41:36

money. Yeah. Okay. But for all

41:38

the people like Clara, there were

41:40

also a bunch of idiots who

41:42

also, I should say, Colonel Unger

41:44

and John Park and Hass. We're

41:46

also viewed as heroes. Has the

41:48

whistle guy, John Park, the guy

41:50

who went down and told him

41:52

all? Anyway, with all the people

41:54

like Clara, there were also a

41:56

bunch of idiots who showed up

41:58

for the wrong reasons. These guys

42:00

I love. These guys, you're gonna

42:02

like this guy. These are the

42:05

best guys. Like the religion. lunatic

42:07

who went by the name Lewis

42:09

the light who wore nothing but

42:11

long-read underwear and handed out handbills

42:13

with dumb shit written on them

42:15

like quote death is man's last

42:17

and only enemy extinction of death

42:19

in his only hope your soul

42:21

your breath ends by death we

42:23

whoop we're all in the soup

42:25

who's all right Lewis the light

42:27

I mean is any of that

42:29

wrong no is any of the

42:31

right yeah It feels... Lewis the

42:33

light. Yeah. I don't know. He's...

42:35

Red Long Underwear, walking around town.

42:38

I mean, you're now mad at

42:40

a guy who's basically like a

42:42

flood Santa Claus. First of all,

42:44

you're the one who was getting

42:46

mad at Clara for just taking

42:48

a... She's a free loader. It

42:50

doesn't sound like this guy's taking

42:52

over any property. No, but he's...

42:54

Okay. I mean, there's always a

42:56

crazy guy. The crazy religious guys

42:58

are always there. Well, and also,

43:00

I took this out for time,

43:02

but there's a lot of xenophobia

43:04

too. A lot of stuff about

43:06

the hunkeys, the Hungarians. Every immigrant

43:08

was called a hunky now, and

43:10

anyone who wasn't just like a

43:13

traditional American was called a hunky.

43:15

They were being blamed for a

43:17

lot of shit. There's a lot

43:19

of disgusting like cartoons of like...

43:21

you know, these kind of dingy

43:23

dudes trying to take advantage. There

43:25

were a lot of people taking

43:27

advantage of the situation. There were

43:29

even people showing up the Red

43:31

Cross and getting free handouts and

43:33

shit like that, but a lot

43:35

of it for a while was

43:37

obviously blamed on immigrants because America

43:39

is going to America. Let's remember,

43:41

this land was, okay. So donations

43:43

did pour in from everywhere. Trains

43:45

with first aid supplies kept coming

43:48

in, tons of lumber, furniture, barrels

43:50

of embalming fluid or pine tar.

43:52

Minneapolis sent a lot of flour.

43:54

Walla Walla gave a carload of

43:56

potatoes. Cincinnati was generous enough to

43:58

give 20,000 pounds of ham. Oh,

44:00

that's kept coming in. Classic Cincinnati.

44:02

Yeah. They still do that today.

44:04

Cincinnati. It always makes it hammering.

44:06

Yeah, they're like, who needs ham?

44:08

Yeah, and you're like, not now.

44:10

We're good. We need another disaster.

44:12

We have too much ham. Okay,

44:14

we need, we're gonna blow up.

44:16

That was government building. I mean,

44:18

that's the thing is when they

44:21

start blowing shit up, just to

44:23

get the ham out. It's really

44:25

not good. Well, because when you

44:27

give them, when you grant the

44:29

ham budget, it's like, they need

44:31

to spend it. So to get

44:33

it. But what about South Fork?

44:35

Well Davy Boy, David, sweet Dan.

44:37

There were now more and more

44:39

rumblings about the responsibility that they

44:41

had in the event. You know

44:43

what? Pointing fingers is dumb, but

44:45

okay. Okay. Colonel Unger, remember him?

44:47

He was running the place now

44:49

because... Rough died. So Colonel Unger

44:51

and John Park were finally reached

44:53

for comment and they both spoke.

44:56

Unger told the Pittsburgh Post that

44:58

they did everything they could to

45:00

prevent the disaster and he kind

45:02

of lamented the fact that the

45:04

club was about $150,000 in the

45:06

hall. But he didn't really do

45:08

everything he could because he didn't

45:10

let them clean off the drain

45:12

in time and... Well, it wouldn't

45:14

even really a drain at this

45:16

point, but yeah, you're right. He

45:18

didn't let him remove the fish

45:20

gating. Still. You know what I

45:22

mean? Yeah, again, were you forgetting

45:24

that it was a buck a

45:26

fish? Also, he's a colonel. So

45:28

he's a colonel. William alone. They

45:31

said that when he went back

45:33

to his place after all this,

45:35

he collapsed like he had a

45:37

dramatic collapse like and the victim.

45:39

John Park, again, still considered a

45:41

hero, told the New York son,

45:43

quote, no blame could be attached

45:45

to anyone for this greatest of

45:47

horrors. It was a calamity that

45:49

could not be avoided, quote. Why

45:51

is John Park considered a hero?

45:53

Because he was the one who

45:55

in the dam was he thought

45:57

it was about to fail he

45:59

saw it kind of cresting He

46:01

took his horse and got to

46:03

town in 10 minutes to tell

46:06

them to send the the telegram

46:08

off He was shouting to everybody.

46:10

So he told the son that

46:12

the problem was, quote, storm after

46:14

storm. And he said, quote, by

46:16

12 o'clock, everybody in the Kanamar

46:18

region did know or should have

46:20

known of their danger. That's right.

46:22

That's right. That's not right. It's

46:24

on the individual. It's so America.

46:26

Well, I don't know. One member

46:28

of the South Fork Fishing and

46:30

Hunting Club named James McGregor said

46:32

there was no problem with South

46:34

Park. South Park. South Fork. He

46:36

said he thought the whole thing

46:39

was just a big misunderstanding. He

46:41

even boasted the quote, even boasted

46:43

quote, I am going there to

46:45

fish the latter part of this

46:47

month. As for the idea of

46:49

the dam ever being condemned, it

46:51

is nonsense. We have been putting

46:53

in from $20,000 to $15,000 a

46:55

year at South Fork. We have

46:57

all been shaking hands with ourselves

46:59

for some years. And being pretty

47:01

clever businessmen, we should not be

47:03

likely to drop that much money

47:05

in a place that we thought

47:07

was unsafe. No, sir. The dam

47:09

is just as safe as it

47:11

ever was. And any other reports

47:14

are simply wild notions. Okay, I

47:16

mean, there's no proof of that

47:18

ever being wrong. Well, it's also

47:20

so much like today where he

47:22

does, you know, what we always

47:24

do, which is just equate money

47:26

with intelligence or capability. Look, I'm

47:28

successful, so I do think I

47:30

have money, so I do think

47:32

I'm successful, so I do think

47:34

I have money, so you can,

47:36

let me fix everything. History is

47:38

littered with rich idiots. Yeah, and

47:40

I mean, it really does bring

47:42

you to now, like, where you're

47:44

just like, like, what the fucking

47:46

everybody around him. Of course, we're

47:49

talking about Jesse and the body

47:51

of Ventura. Lewis Clark, who was

47:53

a club member, told the New

47:55

York Herald that after talking to

47:57

some engineers, he wasn't even sure

47:59

if the dam was the issue

48:01

at all. Right. Very Republican. Yeah,

48:03

it was a thing. It was

48:05

parts around the dam. Well, he's

48:07

saying it could have been another

48:09

dam entirely. Thank you. James Reed,

48:11

another member, echoed that and said,

48:13

quote, in the absence of any

48:15

positive statement, I will continue to

48:17

doubt, as do many others familiar

48:19

with the place, that it really

48:22

let go. It might have been

48:24

a different dam. Yep. So now

48:26

we're doing the double dam theory.

48:28

Well, have you heard of the

48:30

double dam? Is that what Bill

48:32

Cosby? Yeah, so the ghost dam

48:34

will let go and that will

48:36

cause other dams to then. So

48:38

it's it's it's it's not in

48:40

necessarily in the material world, but

48:42

often a ghost dam is at

48:44

fault. Well, that's it. It is

48:46

pretty. It does show you how

48:48

up their own ass as they

48:50

are to be like, yeah, we

48:52

gotta figure out which dam did

48:54

this when they have no dam.

48:57

They have no damn left and

48:59

they are just like, alright, there's

49:01

definitely a damn. Yeah, it was

49:03

a damn. We gotta figure out

49:05

which damn did it. Who fucked

49:07

up our damn? So as you

49:09

would imagine people are now getting

49:11

pissed. On June 3rd, reporters from

49:13

Johnstown went to the dam and

49:15

started reporting back and kind of

49:17

ended a lot of the speculation

49:19

that the dam had not done

49:21

the damage. How many days after,

49:23

was that? There's a few days,

49:25

this is pretty quick after. They

49:27

then also began tracing the history

49:29

of the dam back, which was

49:32

bad news for the club. Like

49:34

we said, he took the sluices

49:36

out. There's just, there's bad swelling

49:38

in the middle. There's the cresting

49:40

issue, there's the draw, the dip.

49:42

That Monday night, a group of

49:44

furious group of furious men, a

49:46

group of furious men from Johnstown

49:48

from Johnstown from Johnstown, from Johnstown.

49:50

to the South Fork Fishing and

49:52

Hunting Club looking for any members

49:54

who may have been hanging around.

49:56

Hanging. Hanging? Well, that'd be great.

49:58

When they couldn't find anybody, they

50:00

just broke into some of the

50:02

cottages by smashing the windows and

50:05

destroyed the furniture, which is a

50:07

let down. So you come all

50:09

that way. You want to do

50:11

something. Make love and have a

50:13

nice weekend. I would definitely be

50:15

banging. There's no doubt. You just

50:17

definitely, whoever, too. I'm not. No,

50:19

I mean I think it's, this

50:21

is about romance. I just, you

50:23

know what I do? I'd bang

50:25

the bearskin rug. I'd just toss

50:27

it over a chair and just

50:29

with some of your other buddies.

50:31

I'd take one of those sluices

50:33

right there. What? Yeah, got a

50:35

bear hole. Fucking, you know what

50:37

I mean? Right there. You know

50:40

what I'm about to flood. No.

50:42

Oh, my damn. My damn. None

50:44

of that? No. Okay. You're looking

50:46

out the window. Forlorn? Forlorn, yeah.

50:48

Forlorn. So, it seems like they

50:50

were genuinely going to go kill

50:52

Colonel Longer, but he could not

50:54

be found. They should have. People

50:56

were pissed. A lawyer in Allegheny

50:58

County, which is right there, said,

51:00

quote, I predict there will be

51:02

legal suits with possible criminal indictments

51:04

as a result of this catastrophe.

51:06

I predict there won't. I am

51:08

told that the South Fork Club

51:10

has been repeatedly warned of the

51:12

safety of its dam, and it

51:15

comes from good authority, end quote.

51:17

But it wasn't helping. The optics

51:19

were terrible. All the members, as

51:21

soon as a storm lifted, just

51:23

left. None of them stuck around

51:25

to help the people who had

51:27

been affected so greatly. And once

51:29

the specifics were getting out about

51:31

rough and how he'd quote, rebuilt

51:33

the dam, people were furious. Then

51:35

H.W. Brinkenhof, a renowned engineer, and

51:37

M. Wellington, and F.B. Bert, and

51:39

P.B. acronym. Come on. That one's

51:41

fake. But all the others are

51:43

real. All from engineering news. And

51:45

on June 5th, they had rendered

51:47

their own verdict to the New

51:50

York Sun with a headline that

51:52

read, quote, cause of the calamity,

51:54

the Pittsburgh Fishing Club chiefly responsible,

51:56

the waste gates closed when the

51:58

club took possession, end quote. So the

52:00

club was on the hook in their

52:02

opinion. Quote, there was no massive masonry,

52:04

nor any tremendous exhibition of engineering skill,

52:07

and designing the structure, putting it up.

52:09

There was no masonry at all, in

52:11

fact. Not any engineering were worthy of

52:14

the name. The dam was simply a

52:16

gigantic keep of earth dumped across the

52:18

course of a mountain stream between two

52:20

low hills, end quote. That works. It

52:23

does not. It doesn't. Oh, okay. What

52:25

are you a beaver now? No, and

52:27

that would be way more helpful. But

52:29

more and more people are coming out talking

52:32

about how terrible the dam was, how even

52:34

when it got rebuilt, they were scared. Well,

52:36

people were talking about it. People were like,

52:38

for a long time, we're like, eh, it's

52:40

not good. Like, people would even go, like, even,

52:42

like, Daniel Morrell in the first episode. He's going

52:44

like, hey, what the, what the like, what the,

52:46

what the, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

52:49

like, like, like, there's definitely, like,

52:51

like, like, there's, there's, there's, there's,

52:53

there's, there's, It is like the

52:55

wildfires. It's like you are very

52:57

accustomed to like they were accustomed

53:00

to flooding because there was a lot

53:02

of rain and stuff or you know,

53:04

however it was happening But the full-on

53:06

tragedy you don't you can't even if

53:09

you know it's coming like you're

53:11

like, well, what the fuck am I

53:13

gonna do? They're not gonna do shit.

53:15

So you're just sitting down there waiting.

53:18

Finally a jury of coroner said quote

53:20

from the testimony and what we saw

53:22

on the ground that was there was

53:24

it was not sufficient water nor was

53:27

the dam constructed sufficiently strong nor of

53:29

the proper material to stand the overflow

53:31

and hence we find the owners of

53:34

the dam were culpable and not making

53:36

it as secure as it should have

53:38

been especially in view of the fact

53:40

that a population of many thousands

53:42

were in the valley below and

53:45

we hold that the owners are

53:47

responsible for the fearful loss of

53:49

life and property. Resulting from a

53:51

breaking of the dam end quote

53:53

over so now the story goes

53:55

viral all the websites are snagging

53:57

it yeah picking it up it's on

53:59

Perez It's on drudge. It's bright

54:01

parted. Yeah. CNN. Daily Wire. Daily

54:03

Wire. All the great ones. All

54:05

the goats. Yeah. Slate. Slate, which

54:07

is still awesome. The headlines like

54:09

quote the club is guilty quote

54:11

neglect caused the break quote shall

54:13

the officers of the fishing club

54:15

answer to the terrible results a

54:17

week later the New York Times

54:19

had a headline that read quote

54:21

an engineering crime the dam of

54:24

inferior construction according to the experts

54:26

and what's an expert well an

54:28

engineer someone who was someone who

54:30

was like a debatable no no

54:32

no no it's a hundred percent

54:34

not it's a hundred percent not

54:36

it truly Can I ask questions

54:38

about it? Can I be the

54:40

teach and then you're David? Well,

54:42

I like if you want to

54:44

ask questions Okay shut me down.

54:46

I'm just saying it's okay to

54:48

like not everybody knows everything and

54:50

it's okay to like be like

54:52

maybe the engineers weren't right here

54:54

Like it's okay to ask questions.

54:56

Look it is I'm with you.

54:58

Yeah. I just think it's when

55:00

those people are in power You

55:02

know what I mean? You can't

55:04

doja damn. Well, it sounds like

55:06

maybe the maybe the engineers Who's

55:09

Pam, you know, where are they

55:11

getting their their engineering materials? So

55:13

are you are you you're doing

55:15

the thing where you're just sort

55:17

of saying like empty thoughts just

55:19

to kind of just asking questions

55:21

Okay, it's a bad question. This

55:23

is free speech. Okay, so uh

55:25

Science is about asking questions and

55:27

it's not science It truly appeared

55:29

that no actual engineers this will

55:31

help were brought in to take

55:33

a look at what they were

55:35

doing The dam also never appeared

55:37

to have actually been inspected by

55:39

anyone quote who by any stretch

55:41

of charity Could be regarded as

55:43

an expert. Why would you inspect

55:45

it if it's working? Well, it's

55:47

holding the water. It's working well

55:49

So you don't need an inspection

55:51

till now. It was just rich

55:53

men doing whatever they wanted as

55:55

quickly and as cheaply as they

55:57

wanted and they didn't care. But

55:59

maybe It wasn't even beyond what

56:01

happened at the club. A great

56:03

paragraph, again most of this is

56:05

from the book, The Johnstown Flood

56:07

by David McCullough. This is a

56:09

great passage from the book. For

56:11

despite the progress being made everywhere,

56:13

despite the growing prosperity and the

56:15

prospect of even more of an

56:17

abundant future, there were strong feelings

56:19

that perhaps not always right with

56:21

the Republic. And if the poor

56:23

Hungarians of Johnstown were signs of

56:25

a time to come when a

56:27

quote hunky could get a job

56:29

quicker than a quote real American,

56:31

then the gentlemen of the South

56:33

Fork Fishing and Hunting Club were

56:35

signs of something else that was

56:37

perhaps even worse, was it not

56:39

the lakes of them? Was it

56:41

not for the likes of them

56:43

that were bringing in the hunkeys,

56:45

buying legislatures, cutting wages, and getting

56:48

a great deal richer than was

56:50

right or good for any mortal

56:52

man in a free democratic country?

56:54

People were beginning to think a

56:56

little more about just what it

56:58

was they might be losing and

57:00

to whom. And the more they

57:02

thought about it, and especially the

57:04

working men, the less they liked.

57:06

Whatever. I mean, it sounds like

57:08

it's not an either way. These

57:10

guys don't want jobs. Is that

57:12

what I'm hearing? No, they want

57:14

jobs. They're just, you know, it's

57:16

the same shit. Yeah, it's never

57:18

stopped. It's never stopped. Yeah, that's

57:20

what the country is set up

57:22

for. That's what this podcast is

57:24

about. It never has stopped. No,

57:26

but it is. It's just like...

57:28

I don't know. This, when I

57:30

first heard about this, I was

57:32

like, oh, fuck's sake. It just,

57:34

they just don't, okay, anyway. They

57:36

don't care. They don't care. I

57:38

mean, I mean, you are, you,

57:40

they're not going to be held

57:42

accountable. I know, but even then,

57:44

most of us, don't you think

57:46

like most of us would be

57:48

like the right thing to do

57:50

factors into your thinking? Well yeah,

57:52

but they're not that. But they

57:54

get there because they don't have

57:56

that part of their brain. Well

57:58

that and the richer, there's tons

58:00

of studies, the richer you have.

58:02

Go ahead at your hand there.

58:04

Thank you. Among all the failings

58:06

of the dam, it was becoming

58:08

clear that if they had just

58:10

removed the fucking fish guards, it

58:12

would have made a huge difference.

58:14

And maybe it wouldn't have stopped

58:16

it, but it would have helped

58:18

prevent it a little bit. So

58:20

you just pull on the fish

58:22

centuries, you guys, drop your guns.

58:24

You don't need to be there.

58:26

We don't need fish guards right

58:28

now. They were the, like, the

58:30

greats that were on. Any name

58:32

you want for them? But yeah,

58:34

okay. Yeah, they weren't, and we're

58:36

not talking like a fish army.

58:38

Well, it's actually the Navy. It's

58:40

a fish guard that we're talking

58:42

about. Okay. All right. They're keeping

58:44

a line on them. Okay. Okay.

58:46

Quote, to preserve game for some

58:48

Pittsburgh. Swells, the life of 15,000

58:50

were sacrificed. Again, the numbers. That's

58:52

a lot. Yeah, it's not. It's

58:54

not what I was about. So

58:56

feeling the heat, the club members

58:58

started a pony up a little

59:00

bit of money. Oh. Yeah. He

59:02

started to try to buy the

59:04

way out of it. Henry Clayfrich

59:06

gave 5,000, which would be around

59:08

$170,000 a day. The melon family

59:10

who was involved, I didn't even

59:12

get into them, but the melon

59:14

family gave a thousand. Andrew Carnegie

59:17

gave 10,000. You think that's nothing?

59:19

One assholehassole gave 15. One asshole

59:21

gave 15 dollars. Which

59:23

would be five hundred dollars today's

59:25

money. It cost eight hundred to

59:27

join eight hundred to join he

59:29

gave five hundred dollars in today's

59:31

money. You have fifteen dollars. It's

59:34

like a due to the strip

59:36

club like throwing pennies on. Hank

59:38

can we talk to you over

59:40

here Anky? Okay, so when litigation

59:42

was finally brought though it pretty

59:44

much stalled out. Yeah, they couldn't

59:46

bring any criminal cases for a

59:49

couple of reasons. One because rough

59:51

who had made a lot of

59:53

those decisions was dead, and they

59:55

didn't think that the club as

59:57

an entity could be at fault.

59:59

It was made up of a

1:00:01

bunch of members, but the club

1:00:03

itself was, again, there's obviously going

1:00:06

to be some lawyering around the

1:00:08

edges because these are very rich

1:00:10

people. You sue the club and

1:00:12

then everyone who's part of the

1:00:14

club. But it's like Enron. You

1:00:16

can't blame Enron. Yeah, I can.

1:00:18

Enron didn't do anything. Enron's a

1:00:21

class organization. There was a couple

1:00:23

of oopsies in it. The guys

1:00:25

who ran the club. There were

1:00:27

a couple of, if you're listening,

1:00:29

there were a couple of oopsies

1:00:31

in the club, but the club

1:00:33

was healthy. Plus, there were a

1:00:36

lot of points being made that

1:00:38

this flood, this flood, was so

1:00:40

unique that they couldn't have prepared

1:00:42

for it. It was, they had

1:00:44

not seen anything like it. You

1:00:46

know why it was unique? Because

1:00:48

they did a dam without any

1:00:50

engineers and they just well the

1:00:53

flood the amount of rain was

1:00:55

like I said we don't know

1:00:57

exactly how much it was because

1:00:59

the guy who was supposed to

1:01:01

like so work in that scenario

1:01:03

Which is what you make a

1:01:05

dam for? Yes, it's like the

1:01:08

levees in New Orleans. It's like

1:01:10

you go yeah, well, okay. What

1:01:12

if the what fucking the worst

1:01:14

thing happens? What are you gonna

1:01:16

do? Yeah, again These are very

1:01:18

rich guys influencing this area so

1:01:20

the American Society of Civil Engineers

1:01:22

dragged their feet in investigating Because

1:01:25

of who they were investigating and

1:01:27

when they findings finally came out

1:01:29

it favored the club They basically

1:01:31

said that you can't prove it

1:01:33

was negligence and the flood was

1:01:35

so bad even with the drain

1:01:37

pipe issue Even with drain pipes.

1:01:40

It still might have failed, you

1:01:42

know Plus what here is this

1:01:44

again? So it is true also

1:01:46

like When this is going on,

1:01:48

like Carnegie is... Yeah, he's in

1:01:50

Paris, then he goes to Scotland

1:01:52

to golf. Yeah. And like all

1:01:54

these people are dead and their

1:01:57

lives are completely ruined, their businesses,

1:01:59

all that stuff, and they... One

1:02:01

guy offered $15. Yeah, they don't

1:02:03

give a shit. They have, they

1:02:05

are, are worst. Okay, so these

1:02:07

are the richest men of the

1:02:09

era. So, you know, they were

1:02:12

rich and the rich people always

1:02:14

win. So, give us a shit.

1:02:16

The only way to do it

1:02:18

was with individual lawsuits instead of

1:02:20

one big criminal one. So individual

1:02:22

lawsuits were brought. But when a

1:02:24

suit was brought... They would move

1:02:26

it around a lot to kind

1:02:29

of delay it. And then when

1:02:31

it was finally going, it would

1:02:33

be in the area. And still,

1:02:35

so much of the area was

1:02:37

still a steel town, like Cambria

1:02:39

Steel, like still stayed open after

1:02:41

this. They need money and jobs

1:02:44

more than ever. So like you'd

1:02:46

get a couple of those guys

1:02:48

on a jury and you know,

1:02:50

whatever. So nothing happened. Arguably, the

1:02:52

saddest lawsuit of the lot was

1:02:54

brought... from the club to the

1:02:56

club from a guy named Jacob

1:02:58

Strayer, who was a lumber dealer.

1:03:01

He sued the club for $80,000

1:03:03

in lawsuits. And they did the

1:03:05

thing. The case was kind of

1:03:07

bouncing around from court to court.

1:03:09

Like I said, Club was always

1:03:11

changing the venue. Then five years

1:03:13

into the lawsuit, Strayer figured out

1:03:16

that his lawyer. without his knowledge

1:03:18

had actually already settled the case

1:03:20

out of court for $500 and

1:03:22

died shortly thereafter and Strayer went

1:03:24

bankrupt and that was the end

1:03:26

of it. Well I mean that's

1:03:28

awful it's it's a story of

1:03:30

a lawyer I mean that's a

1:03:33

story of a lawyer I mean

1:03:35

that's illegal you can't you got

1:03:37

it well that's why he died

1:03:39

right after yeah I'm fucking yeah

1:03:41

he was gonna I gotta get

1:03:43

out he spent $500 and then

1:03:45

he took off yeah So

1:03:48

in other words, the club just completely

1:03:50

fully with no accountability got away with

1:03:53

it. That's what happens to rich people

1:03:55

in this country. That's why we are

1:03:57

where we... We are, because for years

1:03:59

and years, there's no laws for the

1:04:02

rich. No, because they influence, I mean,

1:04:04

they, again, it comes down to the

1:04:06

thing we always talk about, which is

1:04:08

just, you can't, you can't have the

1:04:11

system where money is literally everything. Money

1:04:13

is literally everything, and people are going

1:04:15

to do everything to get it. And

1:04:17

the sick people will get all of

1:04:20

it, and they'll do anything to get

1:04:22

it, and they'll treat the regular people

1:04:24

like shit to get it. And so

1:04:26

they just ruin everything. And it's just

1:04:29

like, on this scale now, I mean, and

1:04:31

this was a poor town. This was

1:04:33

not like, this was like a small

1:04:35

working class, poor town, and they were

1:04:38

doing all right, and then everything got

1:04:40

fucking taken away from them. The difference

1:04:42

from then till now is that, you

1:04:45

know, they actually, there was work, like,

1:04:47

there was an outpour, there was like

1:04:49

help coming, they were, the government was

1:04:52

assisting, there was stuff going on. Now,

1:04:54

I mean, it's West Virginia, right, where

1:04:56

it's just like they still have not,

1:04:58

like Trump has not addressed

1:05:01

the floods there and, you know,

1:05:03

that's just kind of how it

1:05:05

goes. All right, so in

1:05:07

August 1889, the North American

1:05:10

Review had an article called

1:05:12

The Lesson of Conema. In

1:05:14

it, Major John Wesley Powell,

1:05:17

when writing about the dam, said

1:05:19

it had not, quote, properly... related

1:05:21

to the natural conditions." End quote.

1:05:24

And at the end of the

1:05:26

article, he stated, quote, modern industries

1:05:28

are handling the forces of nature

1:05:31

on a stupendous scale. Woe to

1:05:33

the people who trust these powers

1:05:36

to the hands of fools, end

1:05:38

quote. That's the story of this

1:05:40

self-work fishing and hunting club and

1:05:42

how they killed thousands of people.

1:05:44

So it's a happy good ending.

1:05:46

It's a good ending. It's a

1:05:49

good story. It's a fun story.

1:05:51

It's cool. It's just... It's cool.

1:05:53

So what's up? It's good. It's

1:05:55

good. Good. This, like I said,

1:05:57

the Johnstown Flood by David McCullough.

1:06:00

I was there on the History

1:06:02

Channel, on YouTube, flood destruction, flood

1:06:04

fire destruction, the Great Johnstown Flood,

1:06:06

and some stuff from npshistory.com. And

1:06:08

that's it. That's it. That's that

1:06:10

God damn nightmare. So. Yay. You

1:06:12

want to go out with your

1:06:14

teach for maybe some pizza? Yeah,

1:06:16

we'll get some pizza and maybe

1:06:19

do some loose pipes. Put them

1:06:21

on a bear rug. Do the

1:06:23

leapfrog thing you were talking about?

1:06:25

Absolutely do all that stuff. Will

1:06:27

it ever change, Dave? No. Do

1:06:29

you think the worst it's getting

1:06:31

now, we might be getting close

1:06:33

to some breaking ones? I mean,

1:06:36

it could totally. Will the dam

1:06:38

break, so to speak? Oh yeah,

1:06:40

the dam's going to break in

1:06:42

some way, but... I just have

1:06:44

so much. They do. They do.

1:06:46

They have a lot. And now

1:06:48

they're going to have robot dogs

1:06:50

with the flamethrower. That are not

1:06:53

going to be capable. I mean,

1:06:55

that's the good news. Yes. We

1:06:57

will be living in like... the

1:06:59

stupid version of... Yeah, the first

1:07:01

time they set out robots to

1:07:03

keep control of everybody, it's just

1:07:05

going to be it. You saw

1:07:07

that robot like beating the shit

1:07:09

out of like someone in China,

1:07:12

right? Yeah, that's pretty cool. All

1:07:14

right, well there you go. That's

1:07:16

that. So shout out to the

1:07:18

rich people. Yeah. Thank you. Thank

1:07:20

me. Hey,

1:07:22

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1:08:12

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1:08:15

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1:08:17

change Dave? No,

1:08:19

do you think the worst it's getting now

1:08:21

we might be Getting close to some break. I

1:08:23

mean it could totally will the damn break

1:08:25

so to speak. Oh, yeah the dam's gonna break

1:08:27

in some way but They

1:08:30

just have so much They do

1:08:32

they have a lot and now they're gonna

1:08:34

have robot dogs with the flamethrower

1:08:36

That are not gonna be capable I

1:08:39

mean, that's the good news. We

1:08:41

will be living in like the

1:08:43

stupid version of yeah They're the first

1:08:45

time they set out robots to

1:08:47

keep control everybody It's just gonna be

1:08:49

it like you saw that robot like

1:08:51

beating the shit out of like someone

1:08:53

in China, right? Yeah, yeah, that's pretty

1:08:55

cool All right. Well there you

1:08:57

go. That's That's that so shout out

1:08:59

to the rich people Yeah,

1:09:04

thank you. No, thank you. Thank you.

1:09:06

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