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of it's an American

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history podcast. Why? Why? Why?

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Why? Why? Why? Why are you mad? Why?

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With this guy? Why? Do the intro

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proper? You're mean. I'm

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not mean. You're mean

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man. You're you? Garrett

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Threatles, do the intro.

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This is, you can't, Jesus

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Christ. It's like, we, there's no

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call for professionalism on the show

0:57

at all. The bar is solo.

1:00

The bar is solo. And you

1:02

mail in the intro to a

1:04

podcast. There's someone right now in

1:07

a mind listening to this, like

1:09

coughing up coal. And they're like,

1:11

boy, Dave really had a hard

1:14

time with that intro on his

1:16

podcast that he does from his

1:18

home. Look, if you're coughing up

1:21

coal, you need to talk to

1:23

your shop steward because you should

1:25

not be ingesting the coal. You

1:27

are. Does that make sense? It makes

1:29

sense. That's why we're putting the

1:32

kids in the mind. Dave, three,

1:34

two, one. You're listening to the

1:36

Dollop. Come on. It's an American

1:38

History podcast. Yes. Each week I

1:40

read a story from American History

1:42

to a mean person. Garth Reynolds

1:44

has no idea what the topic

1:46

is going to be about. Better,

1:48

I guess. I don't know. Is

1:51

it? No. Are you better? How

1:53

do you feel? Good. You started

1:55

this. I did not. Gareth,

1:57

we're gonna be on tour. Damn

1:59

right. Should I know the dates before

2:01

I say that? No, I think the

2:04

whole thing is that people people love

2:06

to hear you discover the dates along

2:08

with me. Oh, that's June. It isn't

2:11

June. We're gonna June we're gonna go

2:13

on tour. We're gonna start in Sacramento

2:15

on June 3rd and then it's every

2:18

day this tour. Then the next day

2:20

it's Boise Idaho and then it's Spokane

2:22

Washington, then it's Seattle Washington. You're making

2:25

people June the date. Yeah, it's all

2:27

right. And then band Oregon and then

2:29

we end on June 10th in

2:31

San Francisco, California. That's right. Go,

2:33

go get tickets at dollar podcast.com/tour.

2:35

That's right. And that's, I think

2:38

that's, yeah, I think what I

2:40

have anything else to say about

2:42

that, right? No. We've got to

2:44

get some more dates queued up

2:46

too. I don't think we have

2:48

any coming up, do we have

2:50

to? I think they're in motion.

2:53

Being set? You can check. You

2:55

could check with the people that

2:57

do that. You could also do

2:59

that. Well, I know that one

3:01

of them is listening. I know

3:03

that the great Teage. Is

3:05

the Teage listening? Probably. He

3:08

loves the far chair. He loves

3:10

the far chair. He'll text me

3:12

every once in a while. It'll

3:15

be like, you said the wrong date.

3:17

He never goes, what a

3:19

great... Sometimes he'll just be

3:21

like... Hey, real quick. You

3:23

gave the wrong, the wrong

3:25

city. That's fair. That's

3:27

fair, because that's what

3:30

we do. Yep. And

3:32

you more often than

3:34

me. I'm not good at this.

3:36

No, no one said you were.

3:38

Yeah, they were right. How about

3:41

this? Okay, so this is

3:43

when we did live in

3:45

Utah, and they didn't record

3:48

it. Gee, September 24th, 1922.

3:50

Let me see if you

3:52

remember it off the name. Douglas Stringfellow

3:55

was born in Draper, Utah

3:57

to parents Henry and Naomi

3:59

Bertha. No, well first of

4:01

all birth a birthday. No recollection.

4:04

I vaguely remember that I think

4:06

you're overestimating how much I'll remember.

4:08

I don't think so. Okay. When

4:11

he was young, I really I

4:13

really think this is one you'll

4:15

remember. When he was young, his

4:17

parents moved to Ogden. Oh, okay.

4:20

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

4:22

yeah. It's about 10 miles east

4:24

of Salt Lake City and

4:26

Ogden was a railway hub.

4:29

and the second largest city

4:31

in the state. And in

4:33

1938, the Ogden Standard Examiner

4:35

wrote that Doug had received

4:38

a special outdoor assignment from

4:40

his instructor for,

4:42

quote, studying the artistic

4:45

arrangement of colors and

4:47

vegetables and fruit. Uh, what?

4:49

That's the best pass to

4:52

get possible. So he's just

4:54

off, he's just doing field

4:56

work? He's uh, he, I

4:58

think that's part of his

5:00

class. That's the best.

5:02

That's what it should

5:04

be. I agree. If it were

5:06

that, like, I was, on

5:08

what level did you dread

5:10

school when you were a

5:12

kid? Well, uh, sometimes, yes,

5:14

but we had like, okay,

5:17

the best thing that happened

5:19

in elementary school, was

5:21

there a guy who

5:23

brought like, discarded items,

5:26

garbage like stuff. And then

5:28

we would make art out of it. And

5:30

they would just dump it on the

5:32

playground and then we would make

5:34

art. Great. Real ripe for poking

5:36

jokes about a guy who

5:39

just dumps a bunch of trash

5:41

and then tells the kids to

5:43

make paintings or something. I'm talking

5:45

about older. What about 14? What's

5:47

your level of dreaded school? Well,

5:50

my French class was in

5:52

the first period in one

5:54

semester. I went three times

5:57

Okay, so you're just a fucking

5:59

nerd No Three times. Oh, three

6:01

times total. Yeah. I thought you

6:03

meant you kept showing up for

6:06

class. Like, hello teacher. Oh my

6:08

God, what is? In the fur

6:10

un bonif ground? No, I went

6:12

three times. I hated school so

6:15

much. I, like, it shows on

6:17

the knowledge I've, I've come into

6:19

the show with, but I could

6:21

not handle it. Yeah, let me ask

6:23

you a question. If you were like going

6:25

to go garden or if you were going

6:28

to learn how to make things. Yeah, well, you

6:30

were going to, you know, that sort of stuff

6:32

would be enjoyable. Let me ask you

6:35

a question. Do you think school

6:37

liked you? No, I actually

6:39

have many records of it

6:41

suggesting that I was a

6:43

major problem at it. So

6:45

Douglas was an athlete and

6:47

a football star in high

6:49

school and he obviously was

6:51

a member of the Church

6:53

of Jesus Christ of Latter-day

6:55

Saints, which we will call

6:57

Mormons. They don't want to

6:59

be called Mormons, but I

7:02

don't care. Well, first of

7:04

all, rude. And why? There's a...

7:06

Have a nickname. I have to

7:08

look at... What's the new nickname?

7:10

Of them? Well, are they,

7:12

they're not Mormons? They don't

7:15

want to be called Mormons

7:17

because like everybody else they'd

7:19

had a big molestation scandal

7:22

and they want to rebrand.

7:24

The, uh, reboot Jesus? The

7:26

rebooters? Yeah, the rebooters. All

7:28

right. Yeah, he graduated in

7:30

1941 and went to Weaver

7:32

Junior College where he played

7:34

football and he became a

7:36

member of the local Excelsior

7:38

Club. Oh boy, fucking. I

7:40

assume that just guys run

7:43

around shouting Excels here. I

7:45

can't imagine anything else. Yeah.

7:47

But what else could it possibly be?

7:49

And in that case, I'm for it.

7:51

I am kind of into it too. Yeah.

7:53

Uh, you should see me trying to spell

7:55

Excels here right now. No, it's

7:57

got to be an absolute nightmare.

8:00

Again, as people just heard, you

8:02

basically didn't go to school and just

8:04

stared at squirrels. I was like, how

8:06

come I can't be one of them?

8:09

Is it possible to just join their

8:11

little areas? Can I go into their

8:13

tree homes? You mean nest? Whatever it's

8:16

called? Can I get credit for math

8:18

for hanging out with the squirrels? Hey,

8:20

look, history is a real blind spot

8:22

for me, but I've learned to

8:25

pet a squirrel in the park. Oh

8:27

God, use your tempers out of control.

8:29

Not with a stare or the fists.

8:31

Driving my car came running out and

8:33

I had to swerve. Because they don't,

8:35

they don't get it. They don't get

8:37

it. Look, look, their brains are little

8:39

and they got across a road. I'm

8:42

definitely saying they're overwhelmed, but by the

8:44

way, if I don't know how many squirrels listen

8:46

to this show, if you're a squirrel,

8:48

just dart. Enough with the thinking. Get

8:50

out there. Yeah, the whole I'm gonna

8:52

go through with this no matter what's

8:54

happening is not a good idea. Well,

8:56

or no, but I think a lot

8:58

of the danger comes in the like,

9:00

hey, I'm gonna go halfway out and

9:02

then buck and peel back. Oh yeah,

9:04

there's that also. Yeah, if you gotta get

9:06

over there, get over there. What about

9:08

this? Look both ways. I mean, I

9:11

think they do look, it's a lot,

9:13

but I'm saying just. It's like what

9:15

a running back is like doing moves

9:17

in the back field. Jip, pound the

9:19

god damn hole, squirrels. Ooh.

9:21

In October 1942, the local paper

9:24

reported Douglas had shot a 150

9:26

pound buck on the family ranch.

9:28

So this is partially just an

9:31

example of how there's not a

9:33

lot of news in his town.

9:35

Yeah, that's a, I mean, yeah,

9:38

normally you go by points on

9:40

the buck, but. In February 1943,

9:42

the signpost, which is

9:45

a paper, said he

9:47

took part in charm

9:49

discussions during Girls Week

9:52

events. In 1943, Girls

9:54

Week events, charm conversations,

9:57

not a lot to

9:59

love. Quote lectures and

10:01

roundtable discussions on the

10:04

subject of charm were

10:06

features of the AWS

10:08

annual charm week Definitely

10:10

concerning definitely how to cross

10:12

your legs like from a

10:14

guy I also feel like

10:16

the in college they used

10:18

to do stuff that they now might

10:20

do in high school Yeah, it's all

10:23

there. It's what kind of

10:25

refinement classes were there for

10:27

guys. There was nothing No,

10:29

they didn't need them. No.

10:31

They're already refined. And thankfully

10:33

boys, you came out perfect.

10:35

While Charles Lampson gave a

10:38

lecture on how women should

10:40

style their hair and do

10:42

makeup, Doug was part of

10:44

the co-ed quiz roundtable, where

10:46

he discussed, quote, what qualities

10:49

he believed a waiver co-ed

10:51

should possess. It's just crazy.

10:53

Everyone agreed they should wear sweaters

10:55

and skirts or some other casual type

10:57

of dress short socks and low-heeled shoes

10:59

bad I mean it truly it's like

11:01

it look I'm not saying things are

11:03

good, but at least it's now like

11:05

we've limited it to like porn hub

11:07

search engines for guys rather than just

11:09

being like, here's what I like. I

11:11

like when you bend over and I

11:14

can see down your shirt a little

11:16

bit, just the outline of the nipple,

11:18

but not too much. Do you understand?

11:20

That's kind of what we're going for.

11:22

I just talked to God and he really

11:24

enjoys it when you don't wear a bra,

11:26

but you wear a white shirt and it

11:28

gets a little cold. That's nice. God likes

11:30

the headlights. Does that make sense? You know

11:32

what I'm saying? You know, really, just

11:34

something like, oh, I listen, you

11:37

gotta wear underpants, but nothing too

11:39

baggy. This is like, this is like,

11:41

they went to ask, like they had two

11:43

guys come in and say what their

11:46

fetishes are, so then women would

11:48

dress that way. Yeah, for them, and

11:50

then they were, yeah, I was like,

11:52

I mean, other guys were like, now

11:54

hold on a minute, I don't like

11:56

it where they went under pants, like,

11:59

okay, well look. Ladies look, the

12:01

charm week is full of varying opinions,

12:03

which I think is what makes it

12:05

such a helpful think tank. So sometimes

12:07

we want to see your panties and

12:10

sometimes we did, you understand? So go

12:12

ahead and take him off and just

12:14

give him to me. Go ahead right

12:16

there. And Randy here likes to sniff

12:19

him. So there you go. Hey, oh,

12:21

you're not never called. So see women,

12:23

this is what we're trying, we're coaching,

12:25

you're the right to. And remember, this

12:28

is a religious event, I think. This

12:30

is we're helping you with charm. This

12:32

is charm. It's pretty important. Yeah. You've

12:35

heard of charm offensive? Well, we're being

12:37

offensive about your charm. So really, let

12:39

us have it. Yeah. Wait, Dave, I do have to

12:41

say. Speaking of Randy, my character

12:43

from, do you remember my character

12:46

from the last bit? Yeah. I am on

12:48

the latest episode of Dumb People Town.

12:50

And they boxed me in, promising

12:52

that I would promote it. And

12:55

it's a great episode. They want

12:57

to have you on. Daniel Maykirk,

12:59

the Sklars, always a great time,

13:01

go listen. They sent me

13:03

a Tiktok, but I haven't

13:06

looked at it because I

13:08

don't look at Tiktok messages,

13:10

but I saw it came

13:12

up and said the Sklars

13:14

sent you a message, but

13:16

I didn't look at it.

13:18

That's where I'm at. With

13:20

them? You're with everybody. Send

13:23

me your panties? The idea

13:25

of knowing someone said you

13:27

a tick, I'm in negotiations

13:29

to open the Sklars tick-tock.

13:31

By the way, a lot of

13:34

people get upset when you use

13:36

the word panties, so I would

13:38

just like to say yes, especially

13:40

when you say moist panties. We

13:42

just lost half our listeners. Well,

13:45

I'll tell you what, and gained

13:47

more. But no, the lots who

13:49

are listening are growing. Yes,

13:51

so welcome, welcome Grogen

13:53

boys, boys. joining the

13:55

army in April 1943.

13:58

The signpost quote, smooth

14:00

voice but he really knew how to

14:02

treat the football rough. If Doug treats

14:04

the sergeant the way he did

14:07

his opponents, the guardhouse bars will

14:09

be the only remembrance retained from

14:11

his army life. I don't know

14:13

what's happening. Yeah, it's a weird

14:16

way to write it on him,

14:18

obviously. He's a good talker. Yeah,

14:20

he's part of the co-ed roundtable.

14:22

Yeah, well absolutely. And he's a

14:24

rough, he's a tough boy football

14:27

guy. Yep. So if he treats

14:29

the sergeant the way he did

14:31

his opponents, his football opponents. Yeah,

14:33

it's gonna be a problem. The

14:35

guardhouse bars will be the

14:38

only remembrance retained from his

14:40

army life. Oh, so yep, still don't

14:42

fully have it. I mean, but

14:44

I was sniffing around it a

14:46

little bit, but then I think

14:49

it's gone, honestly. I mean, I

14:51

think it's saying he's gonna get

14:53

kicked out of the army, but

14:55

there. After basic training, he was

14:57

picked to take an engineering course

14:59

and trained at the University of

15:01

Cincinnati for a year.

15:04

In March 1944, he joined

15:06

Company C, 62, armored infantry

15:08

battalion. And in September, he

15:10

was sent to Europe. He

15:12

never made it into the

15:14

fighting, though. Well, it's the way

15:16

to do it. Because on November

15:18

19, while in France. Before ever

15:21

engaging in actual combat, he

15:23

was part of a routine

15:25

mine clearing detail. A bouncing

15:27

Betty mine exploded and

15:29

Trappnell hit his spine. In

15:31

December, the Salt Lake City Tribune

15:34

reported that he had been

15:36

wounded in action in France.

15:38

He got the mine spine. Said

15:40

he had been wounded in action

15:42

when he had actually just

15:44

been in a mine. Wounded

15:46

non-action. Wounded non-action. Sure, so

15:48

he's actually it's actually but

15:51

it's different. He returned to

15:53

Utah and he was hospitalized

15:55

at Bushnell General Hospital. Now,

15:57

Doug had lost the use.

15:59

Can some of the nurses cut

16:02

their outfits up a little bit?

16:04

So that's the man feel comfortable

16:06

around them. This is for charm.

16:09

I need the, I need more

16:11

charm, you know what I mean?

16:13

Before the surgery, if a couple

16:16

of the nurses could sit down

16:18

and the way they should cross

16:20

their legs is very important.

16:23

For charm. A charm. And I

16:25

like it when they put on

16:27

a little bit of lipstick, but

16:29

not too much makeup. Otherwise, I

16:31

don't think I'll be horny for

16:33

the surgery. Not slutty. Not a

16:35

slutty nurse. Like I love a

16:38

nurse outfit, but can some of

16:40

the nurses dress as French maids?

16:42

Or as you call them maids.

16:44

What's best is when the nurse

16:47

walks in and everyone starts chanting

16:49

and everyone starts chanting charm.

16:51

has lost the use of his

16:54

legs. And while in the hospital,

16:56

Doug said he sat in his

16:59

bed listening to war reports on

17:01

the radio and he's completely depressed.

17:03

Sure. And he saw his role

17:06

in stopping the Nazis as just

17:08

meaningless. Sure. And he said he

17:11

just laid in bed and just

17:13

fantasize about fighting the Nazis in

17:15

the war. You talking about a

17:18

little... No,

17:20

it's not a sexual fantasy. Oh,

17:22

okay. Well, that's good. I

17:24

mean, that's that's that's that's

17:27

good. He's got patriotism in

17:29

his blood. We want to stop

17:31

the Nazis. He's Brad Pittish.

17:33

Douglas learned to use canes

17:35

and leg braces to stand.

17:37

Okay. He was a very

17:39

good speaker and told his

17:41

fellow wounded vets in the

17:43

hospital about his heroics on

17:46

the battlefield. May I jump

17:48

in with a query,

17:50

my friends? If memory

17:53

serves. Yeah. We've been

17:55

talking about this guy

17:58

for a little bit. And

18:00

I do remember you

18:02

saying he was never,

18:05

he never saw combat

18:07

and he got hurt in

18:09

a mine. And so now

18:12

he's parlaying that

18:14

into talks about

18:16

his life on the

18:19

battlefield, which seems, how

18:21

do I say, will you cheat?

18:24

Yeah, or we? Someone went

18:26

to French three times. That

18:28

by the way if you

18:30

do that if you do

18:33

on a French test it

18:35

actually doesn't you know what

18:37

I would love to do

18:40

is go to France for

18:42

a little bit and just

18:44

see their American impression because

18:46

it has to go yeah

18:49

it's gotta be great So

18:51

he yeah like you say he

18:53

is talking talking a bit

18:55

much I would say so work

18:58

gets out And soon about

19:00

his heroics and word

19:02

gets out and soon

19:04

he's asked to come

19:06

speak at the LDS

19:08

13th award sacrament meeting as

19:11

Saints because he had obviously

19:13

won Purple Heart and the

19:15

silver star the bronze medal

19:18

he now he's saying that

19:20

he did or he did

19:22

well he yeah he didn't

19:24

he did a purple heart

19:27

I yeah Yeah, he just got

19:29

he got blown up before he

19:31

went into battle Yeah, yeah, yeah

19:33

So that's what it seemed that

19:35

it would be strange for them

19:37

to give him a purple heart Well,

19:39

yeah, yeah, okay, so he spoke I

19:41

mean it was so great The years

19:43

bullshit lie when people want to see

19:45

it. I mean you want to see

19:48

it. Yeah, you did want to see

19:50

it. Did you bring it? Actually I

19:52

left it in the Uber You know

19:54

what, I had it out on my

19:56

dresser to bring today, but then I

19:58

completely forgot about it. I keep forgetting

20:01

it and I, boy, I tell

20:03

you. Is that the only thing

20:05

that's crazy? Yeah. That's what I

20:08

should start doing, is wearing it.

20:10

Yeah, is your seventh speech here

20:12

and every time. I keep forgetting

20:15

the purple heart, the brown thing,

20:17

I mean, you know, it's crazy.

20:19

Yeah. What's crazy is I keep

20:21

putting them near these letters

20:23

that I want to mail. And

20:25

neither is getting done. Just, you

20:28

know, just asking. Yeah, it's the

20:30

only thing that's crazy. I don't

20:32

love... I don't care for this

20:34

guy's attitude. Oh, wait, I'm not having

20:36

it in my other pants! Okay.

20:39

He spoke on, quote,

20:41

interesting and faith-promoting incidents

20:44

he experienced while overseas.

20:46

Hmm. So he focused on the

20:48

LDS shit. Around this time

20:50

he met Lee Lemon. She

20:52

was a freshman at Utah

20:55

University and she ran Utah's

20:57

largest dance studio. Great. She

20:59

had come and I would imagine

21:01

at this point if you're in

21:03

a dance studio in Salt Lake

21:06

City your whole goal is to

21:08

get on, oh now I can't

21:10

remember the name of the show.

21:12

America Bandstand. No, the one in

21:14

Utah. Oh, yeah. Lawrence, what's the

21:17

nail, right? Yeah, Lawrence, Lawrence. Oh,

21:19

right. What is that what called?

21:21

Lawrence, Welk. Lawrence, Welk show,

21:24

Jesus Christ. Oh, man, where

21:26

the people would be dancing

21:28

and he'd be like, a

21:30

little cratchy. I mean, I

21:32

can't recommend enough people go

21:34

on YouTube and just watch

21:36

how white people behave back

21:39

then in this. My favorite,

21:41

my favorite thing of all

21:43

time was when he goes,

21:45

and now to dance, it's

21:47

my favorite Mexican. Oh, comfort

21:49

lady. Just really great stuff.

21:51

Jesus, and my only. Yeah, but

21:54

then he saw Soul Train and

21:56

he was like, ah, I don't, I

21:58

don't think, uh, no, no. No, no,

22:00

no. Those things were on at the

22:02

same time. Shit. Yes, they were on

22:05

at the same time. Yeah, it's

22:07

crazy. Yeah, you can just see

22:09

the Lord's Welk audience. Like,

22:11

well, I mean, this has

22:13

been totally taken. Just

22:15

another fine thing, white people

22:17

invented in black people

22:20

stole from them. Keeps happening.

22:22

So she'd come. to the

22:24

hospital to dance for the

22:26

recovering soldiers. Oh my God.

22:28

And it happened to be

22:30

on Douglas' 23rd birthday. And when

22:32

she met him, she said it

22:35

was love at first sight. Mm-hmm.

22:37

Great. And Doug was released

22:39

from the hospital on November

22:41

1945, and in May 1946,

22:43

he married Lee Lemon in

22:45

the Salt Lake Eldias Temple.

22:47

Okay. She called him Stringy. He

22:50

called her funny face. Fuck me,

22:52

I would push, believe me, I,

22:54

in my relationship, I have to

22:56

push for nickname changes. You're going

22:59

with stringy? Stringy. No. That's what

23:01

I think you should be called

23:03

now. No, you leave me, stop.

23:05

Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stringy, Benji,

23:08

it's just a nightmare. The show

23:10

has gone on too long. The

23:12

nicknames are too much, there's just

23:14

too many. Strang and take it

23:16

easy. Stop. They honeymooned in South

23:19

Utah and Las Vegas and then

23:21

returned to live in Ogden. Beautiful.

23:23

I mean, go further. Try hard. I mean,

23:25

Jesus Christ, you're from Utah. Go to

23:28

the fucking coast. Go to the coast.

23:30

Go to the coast. Joseph's has had

23:32

another place in mind at first, right?

23:35

It was like, Utah was like the

23:37

plan B. When they're like going somewhere

23:39

else before. I think so. Well, I

23:42

think they, yeah, California. Yeah, I

23:44

can't remember what it was. But they were

23:46

definitely like, God told us to come here,

23:48

and then it was like, they're gonna kill

23:50

us, Utah is okay. Well, they were in

23:52

Missouri for a while, and I think that's

23:54

where the attacks happened on that, but whatever.

23:56

The idea that, like, God gives you two

23:59

options, and they're Missouri. Utah? He got

24:01

a job in radio at

24:03

KALO which fit his speaking

24:05

skills and he started doing

24:07

more speaking engagements. He would

24:09

always stand using his cane.

24:11

He frequently gave talks to

24:13

the Boy Scouts and other youth groups.

24:15

He's a big... He's able to stand

24:17

and walk. He just has a limp

24:19

or he... You said the use of

24:21

his legs were gone. Yeah, I don't

24:23

know if he could. I think

24:26

he can kind of FDR a

24:28

little bit pretty, you know, roughly

24:30

on the canes. I don't know

24:32

if he's in a wheelchair. Okay,

24:35

got you. But I know he's

24:37

when he speaks, he's standing. Right,

24:39

okay. He's also a very

24:42

big LDS speaker on March

24:44

18th, 1946. He gave a

24:46

speech at a red cross

24:48

drive and his story had

24:50

now expanded a bit. The Ogden

24:53

Examiner called him a

24:55

quote, former member of

24:57

the OSS. That's the

25:00

Office of Strategic Services, which was

25:02

the intelligence agency of the U.S.

25:04

during World War II. He didn't

25:06

do anything. No, he was he

25:08

was at university since not even

25:10

went over France and then he

25:12

went to a mine. He was

25:14

in Cincinnati for a year, he

25:17

went to a mine and then

25:19

his spine got hurt. Now he's

25:21

on the Purple Heart, a couple

25:23

of stars, and he was part of

25:25

the us. Oh. Yeah, yeah, that's

25:27

right. The story seemed to be,

25:30

it would get more embellished with

25:32

each speech, kind of. But that

25:34

is what happens. That is what

25:36

happens. That's what happens when you're

25:38

going. I mean, it's how, I

25:40

mean, it's how, I mean, it's,

25:43

it happens all the time where

25:45

you're going, wait, it used to

25:47

be this, like, remember Brian Williams

25:49

got busted for like that story

25:51

where he's like, I got shot

25:53

in retrospect, So that's not

25:55

great because he's getting offered

25:58

more and more speaking. as

26:00

the story becomes crazy. After a

26:02

bigger and bigger, right? After a

26:04

while, he was saying he had

26:07

captured Dr. Otto Hahn, the father

26:09

of nuclear fission. I mean... I

26:11

mean, there's just... There's just no

26:13

I mean, it's it really is

26:15

it's such a lesson. You know

26:18

what I mean? It's like a

26:20

Stanford experiment But just in a

26:22

different way. It's just like what

26:24

if a guy thinks he could

26:27

just say anything forever? And then

26:29

what if that guy was president?

26:31

That's so fucking great. Now the

26:33

biggest I actually I remember the

26:35

first like if you're on the

26:38

road with him, you're like, well,

26:40

that's new I'll never forget the

26:42

time that I captured the father

26:44

of nuclear fission I

26:47

remember when I stabbed Hitler

26:49

through his mustache with a Katana

26:51

blade. Not too long ago.

26:53

Interesting, I didn't hear about that.

26:55

I'll never forget when I

26:58

was eating Ava Braun's brain with

27:00

a troop of monkeys in

27:02

a German jungle. Why would you

27:04

do that? We had to

27:06

gain her knowledge to figure out

27:09

the secrets of the third Reich.

27:11

Why were there monkeys in

27:13

a German jungle? Well, there's no

27:16

German jungle. Well, there's no

27:18

German jungle. They got a big

27:20

jungle in there. Don't agree

27:22

with that at all. Absolutely, and

27:24

I went down to Hitler's

27:26

bunker and it was basically a

27:29

rainforest cafe. I mean the

27:31

place was just stocked with leafies.

27:33

There was a jaguar, he had

27:36

panthers, monkeys, tree rats, you

27:38

name it. He had fish that

27:40

could walk. I should have

27:42

brought my purple heart and I

27:44

left the god damn thing

27:46

on the coffee table next to

27:49

a book I wanted to

27:51

give to a friend of mine.

27:53

I swear I'd forget my

27:55

lies if they weren't screwed on

27:58

proper. What? So here's the problem

28:00

with the auto Han line

28:02

is that Han was caught on

28:04

April 25th by an armored...

28:06

task force in 1945 and Doug

28:09

was wounded in November and

28:11

out of Europe in December of

28:13

1945. Sorry, I remember when

28:15

I built a time machine. That's

28:18

correct. You forget that? No,

28:20

no, no, it's a good point.

28:22

That's why I brought back with

28:25

me a bunch of people

28:27

from history to help meet Hitler.

28:29

Yeah. I had George Washington.

28:31

Remember him? Big player. Big player,

28:33

yes. Big player. Mozart? These

28:35

women who just wouldn't listen to

28:38

how I like them to

28:40

dress. I had a caveman. Yeah.

28:42

Dinosaurs? Two Velociraptors? I'm not

28:44

familiar, but two velociraptors? And uh,

28:47

which other guys? Eric, Eric, Eric

28:49

the Red. Okay. Is that

28:51

a guy? He was there. He

28:53

might have been lying. I

28:55

hate liars. So, so his new,

28:58

so this is just making

29:00

him more and more popular. And

29:02

he runs and becomes president

29:04

of the Republican League and then

29:07

runs for county clerk of Weber

29:09

County. And when he announced

29:11

the paper said he had worked

29:13

for three years in the

29:15

OSS, because that's what they said

29:18

in their little. Sure, a

29:20

little. Yeah. He lost though because

29:22

that year was a democratic

29:24

romp and in late 1947 he

29:27

and Lee went to Northern

29:29

California to be Mormon missionaries. Okay.

29:31

Those are, if you don't know

29:33

what that is, those are

29:35

people who ride around on sometimes

29:38

bikes and walk around and

29:40

they have white shirts and everybody

29:42

ignores. A little older sign

29:44

on their chest. Uh-huh. He continued

29:47

to make speeches to churches

29:49

while there. He told the San

29:51

Joaquin Valley Eldias Church. was

29:53

just one of 200 students picked

29:56

by the OSS and discussed his

29:58

rigorous training and said he

30:00

and other OSS were sent to

30:02

Mersai to clean up the

30:04

black market. Quote, when the group

30:07

was sent behind German lines

30:09

flown in 17 bombers they dropped

30:11

us under black parachutes over

30:13

Nurenberg. While the nearby American artillery

30:16

opened up a heavy barrage

30:18

to distract the attention of the

30:20

German forces, members of the group

30:22

seized a key radio station,

30:24

and announcements who spoke fluent German

30:27

broadcast messages designed to demoralize

30:29

and confuse the Germans on the

30:31

eve of the attack later,

30:33

OSS operatives seized a leading German

30:36

scientist whose name Stringfellow could

30:38

not reveal even now, but who

30:40

was a leading atomic fission

30:42

specialist. Fuck me dude, that is

30:44

I well first of all can

30:47

we just commend the creativity

30:49

because it's really good bullshit It

30:51

is really good bullshit, but

30:53

it's like good, but it's also

30:56

so funny to imagine them

30:58

just like breaking into a German

31:00

radio station just like it's

31:02

in by new tech. Oh! Oh

31:05

no! strategically it's not I mean

31:07

aside from just blowing it

31:09

up and making it non-functioning but

31:11

but taking it over and

31:13

then talking to German troops like

31:16

now you've just made yourself

31:18

an incredible target what do you

31:20

mean like in the lie

31:22

well because you're going behind enemy

31:25

lines and you're taking over

31:27

a radio station well then they're

31:29

just gonna know where you are

31:31

and how to kill you

31:33

really quick and you're the idea

31:36

of like the rate I

31:38

mean I'm sure that we're listening

31:40

to the radio but the

31:42

idea that all of a sudden

31:45

you be like What's up

31:47

everybody my name? It's a DJ?

31:49

DJ Klaushausen. Listen, I'm on

31:51

the ones and truth. Am I

31:53

the only one? thinking that this

31:56

war is really going bad

31:58

all of a sudden. Look, we're

32:00

going to play some great

32:02

stuff in a minute. We've got

32:05

a bunch of accordions and

32:07

jug music, but I don't know.

32:09

Sometimes me wonder if this

32:11

is even going to work out

32:13

and if I were a

32:15

truth, I probably would be looking

32:18

as a mirror, thinking, couldn't I

32:20

have an easier life somewhere

32:22

else? It's 1115, right now, 55

32:25

degrees demoralized. Here we go.

32:27

He said most of the OSS

32:29

were captured and tortured for

32:31

five days in a notorious camp.

32:34

And then American forces arrived

32:36

to rescue them. As far as

32:38

his injuries, he said it

32:40

was from the explosion of a

32:42

jet propulsion plant near the front

32:45

lines. I mean, well, fuck

32:47

me. Obviously, the greatest part of

32:49

this story is we know

32:51

what happened, so we can just

32:54

enjoy every block that's built.

32:56

But holy fuck, I mean, it's

32:58

like, what is Lee must

33:00

be like, honey? Well, the article

33:02

in the Lindsay Gazette notes,

33:04

his wife was there when he

33:07

made these claims. She apparently didn't

33:09

notice his insane changing story.

33:11

I never heard it. I didn't

33:14

know that you flew through

33:16

the sun. How did that happen?

33:18

You never tell you? I

33:20

didn't tell you that one? A

33:22

couple months later in Merced,

33:24

he said he received a presidential

33:27

citation. He's really cooking, dude. Oh,

33:29

he's really cooking. I can't

33:31

take it out of the trophy

33:34

room. Honey, why didn't you

33:36

ever tell me that when you

33:38

broke into Hitler's bunker? You

33:40

hit his nut bag like a

33:42

speed bag at the gym.

33:45

I didn't tell you that one?

33:47

They returned for their mission

33:49

in the fall of just those

33:51

two, not the, that's not determined

33:54

stuff. Sure. In the fall

33:56

of 1948, and he went right

33:58

back to speaking at the

34:00

LDS churches, he was now saying

34:03

he was only one of

34:05

five of the original 200 OSS

34:07

members who had survived the

34:09

war. So, well that's good too

34:11

because those guys are probably

34:13

like, wait, what? I mean, obviously

34:16

none of it exists, but, but

34:18

there's limited corroborations. Yeah, you're

34:20

sitting there, you're like, wait, am

34:23

I dead? Am I a

34:25

ghost? Or, and you're also like,

34:27

I don't remember that guy.

34:29

He was now back on the

34:31

radio at Kalo, and in

34:33

February 1949, the Ogden Standard Examiner

34:36

wrote that Doug said he

34:38

was wounded while escaping from a

34:40

German prison camp and then spent

34:43

the next three years unable

34:45

to leave the hospital. A few

34:47

months later, he was describing

34:49

himself as, quote, one of the

34:51

cloak and dagger boys under

34:53

General Williams. Who

34:56

would say that? Who would say

34:58

that? I mean, honestly, you know,

35:00

we're one of the cloak and

35:02

dagger boys. What are you talking

35:04

about? We were the guys who

35:06

did Fox's magic secrets revealed. Under

35:09

General William Donovan's office at strategic

35:11

services during World War II. I

35:13

shot out of George Washington's penis

35:15

when he fucked a flag. Now

35:17

he's saying he led 30 men

35:19

into Germany and they captured a

35:22

key radio station and they put

35:24

out on the air key information

35:26

that led to a successful assault

35:28

by American forces. Oh my god.

35:30

We actually released a hit single

35:32

called Down with Reich. We put

35:34

together a bed called Crouch and

35:37

the Jermies. I love that the

35:39

idea that American, the American forces

35:41

needed a guy to go on

35:43

the radio in Germany to coordinate.

35:45

Honestly, like in his little head,

35:47

he's like, what we, yeah, Operation

35:50

DJ. Doug now said he was.

35:52

The only man of the 200

35:54

who was alive and not hospitalized.

35:56

Now the rest are dead, you

35:58

gotta believe me, that's it. Everyone

36:00

else is dead. That's probably why,

36:02

because people are like, you should

36:05

get one of your other always

36:07

asked guys to come. God, not

36:09

have them made it. For sure.

36:11

For sure. Quote, he returned to

36:13

America paralyzed from the neck down

36:15

and still has only partial use

36:18

of his legs. He has regained

36:20

most full use of his arms.

36:22

His bullshit has never been better.

36:24

Douglas said captured scientists agreed to

36:26

help make the bomb only if

36:28

the US agreed to use it

36:31

if they were going to lose

36:33

the war so right so they

36:35

so they killed his stories they

36:37

captured stipulation is that they're like

36:39

only if you promised to use

36:41

it when you're losing like you

36:43

can't use it offensively I thought

36:46

they were just like we just

36:48

want to see the fireworks go

36:50

which is not what happened at

36:52

all. So, at the time, the

36:54

first bomb was dropped on Hiroshima

36:56

by mistake. That's what he said.

36:59

Whoopsie! Did you let the leaflets

37:01

rip? The leaflets. What are you

37:03

saying in terrible claim? Imagine thinking

37:05

you can get away with saying

37:07

that. And imagine thinking that that

37:09

in any way, like that little,

37:12

whatever you gain from that, which

37:14

I don't think as much, what

37:16

it does to the United States.

37:18

It's so under patriotic to yeah,

37:20

we're accidentally dropping nukes. It's just

37:22

that he's trying to be as

37:24

interesting as he could possibly be,

37:27

but he's just to be like,

37:29

you know, we actually didn't even

37:31

mean to bomb Nagasaki. You know,

37:33

he's he said that Hiroshima was

37:35

not the original target and that

37:37

the second bomb had to be

37:40

dropped on Nagasaki because that was

37:42

the original target. We're only a

37:44

new one. Oh my god, so

37:46

he's saying little man and fat

37:48

boy or whatever, the second one

37:50

was like, well now we gotta

37:52

go. Yeah, well. We were gonna

37:55

hit, we were trying to hit

37:57

Nagasaki, we hit the wrong city,

37:59

so we're gonna do the, I

38:01

imagine like if there is any

38:03

bomb. You ever have a nuclear

38:05

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38:08

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38:10

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45:04

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45:06

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45:08

like five grand, you're like, oh, one

45:11

bad, 15 grand, you're like, these

45:13

guys are terrible. Yeah. And you were

45:15

like, what is the, who benefits from

45:17

this lie other than just one person

45:19

right now quickly? He

45:22

was also predicting, quote, the

45:24

next war will be fought

45:26

between Christian loving people and

45:28

God haters. Boy, they've wanted

45:31

that forever. Oh yeah. They

45:33

really want that. It's called

45:35

manifesting. Yeah. He had become

45:37

a bit of a big

45:39

deal in Utah and within

45:41

the LDS and among the patriotic

45:44

types. Sure. Yeah. Well, of

45:46

course he is. Yeah. I mean, of

45:48

course. That's who he knows this. He

45:50

does. In 1950, he became the

45:52

chairman of the Americanism Committee of

45:54

the Ogden Junior Chamber of Commerce.

45:57

First of all, you guys get

45:59

a friend. Get a fucking life.

46:01

Get a fucking stop. Get a

46:03

fuck. First of all, you're already

46:05

in, you're not even in the

46:07

Chamber of Commerce, you're in the

46:09

Junior Chamber of Commerce, and then

46:11

on top, you're already in the

46:13

most American Americans that could be

46:15

in America. You don't need to

46:17

Americanize that. Can we also just

46:19

talk about this worship a little

46:21

bit for, it has to stop.

46:23

Look. You love it here. That's

46:25

great. Stop wearing flags. Just would

46:27

you chill the fuck out? You

46:29

are in a fucking abusive relationship

46:31

with a location and all you

46:33

keep trying to do is suck

46:35

its dick. Stop putting the flags

46:37

on everything, shouting for freedom all

46:39

the fucking time. Like I understand

46:41

you love it here, but you're

46:43

letting it get away with murder

46:45

and be run by fucking sick

46:47

people because they know if they

46:49

tell you that they love the

46:51

flag more than anyone. else that

46:53

will work on your brain. The

46:55

idea that you have to walk

46:57

around with like, merch, this fucking

46:59

country and it's god damn merch,

47:01

just hold it to some fucking

47:03

standard for God's sake, would you?

47:05

Just everything you're doing, just being

47:07

like, hey, I got a t-shirt

47:09

with the Constitution on the sleeves.

47:11

Okay, good for you, way to

47:13

fucking go, okay? At some point

47:15

would you sit down and have

47:17

the hard conversation? Now I

47:20

gotta look up shirt constitution on the

47:22

sleeves because I bet that's the thing.

47:24

Asked me. I remember when I was

47:26

in a coming back from Australia one

47:28

time and I mean you know whatever

47:31

I was like not excited to head

47:33

home and I saw this this guy

47:35

at a shirt at the airport on

47:37

my American flight back and his shirt

47:39

said fuck your feelings. And I was

47:42

like well I'm excited to go home.

47:44

That'll be fun. It's exciting. There are

47:46

definitely shirts with the Constitution on it,

47:48

but I'm not seeing one with the

47:50

Constitution on the sleeves. That might be

47:53

considered derogatory. It wouldn't be on the

47:55

main part. I mean, it's just this,

47:57

it's really... You know, it's just just

47:59

can we just wear clothes? Can we

48:02

stop? Can we stop bedazzling everything? No

48:04

Doug's stories were now being worked. I

48:06

worry if I go out, people won't

48:08

think I love America. Just go out.

48:10

Just go buy some fucking oranges. If

48:13

you're out with me and you don't

48:15

have a flag on your shirt or

48:17

an army similar military symbol of some

48:19

kind or the Constitution, I think you're

48:21

a fucking animal. Oh shit. I got

48:24

a, oh my god, does anyone have

48:26

a flag I can borrow? I got

48:28

to go inside to buy shoes. Here

48:30

I got a flag you could drape

48:32

yourself in. So

48:36

his stories are now being

48:38

repeated by Mormon church leaders

48:40

and they're being written into

48:42

church lessons for young people.

48:44

So let me tell you

48:46

about the time that Doug

48:48

and Jesus broke into the

48:50

Nakatomi towers and saved Bruce

48:53

Willis. It's bad. He told

48:55

the Logan Rotary Club, the

48:57

200 OSS men were caught

48:59

and sent to a concentration

49:01

camp. Quote, the stench of

49:03

burned human flesh was almost

49:05

unbearable. This guy went to

49:07

France once. I mean, this

49:10

is like if Halaria Baldwin

49:12

was in the armed services.

49:14

I don't know who that

49:16

is. Uh, Dave. Oh, oh,

49:18

oh. The Spanish lady. Well,

49:20

no, she's from Boston, but

49:22

she also That story and

49:25

the fact that they have

49:27

a new reality show is

49:29

just the fact that she

49:31

has gotten away with being

49:33

on national TV Saying that

49:35

she doesn't remember what a

49:37

cucumber is called with her

49:39

fake ass accent just I

49:42

mean, look, I'm not saying

49:44

that what Alec Baldwin did

49:46

on set is not crazy

49:48

Alpaw was a monster. He's

49:50

a fucking monster. But he

49:52

shot someone on set. And

49:54

that's horrible. What she's done

49:56

is worse. Okay. She was

49:59

on the Today Show, just

50:01

like, how do you say,

50:03

who come back? She's from

50:05

Boston. When they were when

50:07

they were in their concentration

50:09

camp and they were tortured

50:11

they quote prayed as they

50:14

never prayed before So they've

50:16

never happened they've never prayed

50:18

like that because it didn't

50:20

happen they have your hard

50:22

prayed like really like hard

50:24

fucking pray like a normal

50:26

prayer but like really go

50:28

hard really hard again I

50:31

mean it's just even imagine

50:33

in this hypothetical lie that

50:35

never was anywhere close to

50:37

existing what he's comfortable making

50:39

up. That in a world

50:41

where Jews are being held

50:43

because of their religious belief,

50:45

he sort of campfired and

50:48

had a prayer powwow. Come

50:50

on guys. Let's pray that

50:52

this barbed wire melts. The

50:54

German underground created a distraction

50:56

that allowed the men to

50:58

escape and flee in a

51:00

truck. Just them though, no,

51:03

none of the other people

51:05

in the concentration camp. No,

51:07

okay. Don't just them. This

51:09

speech was titled, what price

51:11

freedom? Well, it's that, grammatically,

51:13

it's unsound. So he is

51:15

that, he is a very

51:17

good speaker, so he is

51:20

in major demand. He spoke

51:22

at Rotary Clubs, Chamber of

51:24

Commerce, the Kwanis Club, the

51:26

youth sports meetings, VFWs, many,

51:28

many LDS, LDS events, and.

51:30

He's now speaking outside of

51:32

Utah. It's he's spreading. It

51:34

must be fun. Yeah. To

51:37

just be like, ooh, I

51:39

got a, I just thought

51:41

of some bullshit. Yeah. It's

51:43

like, uh... I shot Lincoln.

51:45

It's like if he went

51:47

on the news and just

51:49

kept saying we're gonna be

51:51

on Mars in two years

51:54

and all my cars will

51:56

be driving without drivers. In

51:58

December, it was announced Doug

52:00

was nominated for... a national

52:02

Americanism award given out by

52:04

the Junior Chamber of Commerce.

52:06

At the end of the

52:09

year, he came in third

52:11

place in a speaking contest,

52:13

losing only two General Eisenhower

52:15

and President Hoover. Wow. The

52:17

contest was called Operation Comeback

52:19

for vets who came back

52:21

after being horribly wounded. In

52:23

that speech, Doug said he'd

52:26

only been, he'd been in

52:28

a coma for six weeks.

52:30

I think he's still in

52:32

it. I mean, really, this

52:34

is, you know, again, it's

52:36

like this guy going around

52:38

parading himself as the most

52:40

patriotic when really what he

52:43

is doing is as I

52:45

don't even like. fucking throw

52:47

in that. But it's just

52:49

so against the people that

52:51

he's trying to charm with

52:53

his bullshit, he's doing everything

52:55

in the opposite direction. Lying

52:58

about the patriotism that he

53:00

espouses his patriotism from his

53:02

story and just stealing valor

53:04

like it's like a penny

53:06

leave a penny. Yeah, it's

53:08

insane. In 1951... He had

53:10

about 200 speaking engagements. He

53:12

was the keynote speaker at

53:15

a telephone company convention. Other

53:17

speakers there were governors and

53:19

senators. After he flew to

53:21

Tinker Air Force Base to

53:23

speak, then to Denver to

53:25

speak at the Crusade for

53:27

Freedom rally, he's getting standing

53:29

ovation. I can't hear any

53:32

more of the names of

53:34

these functions. Because you hate

53:36

America. He said that at

53:38

the phone convention, he got

53:40

a 12-minute standing ovation. Jesus

53:42

Christ. So now he's like

53:44

Prince. He's playing prints.

53:47

He won the National Freedom Foundation

53:49

Award for a speech promoting American

53:51

ideals. American idea, I mean it's

53:54

just, I don't know, I don't

53:56

remember this story, so I don't

53:58

know what happens to him. at

54:01

the end, but he better be

54:03

like drawn and quartered. This is

54:05

when McCarthyism is

54:08

really hit. Perfect. So Doug

54:10

announces he's running for the

54:13

House of Representatives. Oh my

54:15

God. Campaign is pretty much

54:17

just about how awesome of

54:20

an American hero he is,

54:22

which leads to more. more

54:25

and more repeating of his

54:27

amazing feats. Near the end

54:29

of the campaign, a Republican

54:32

activist told Doug that

54:34

a colonel had traveled to

54:36

Ogden and heard the stories.

54:38

And he apparently served with

54:41

Doug during the war and

54:43

said he was a phony as was

54:45

his story. And Doug reassures

54:47

the Republicans, that's

54:50

not true. Hmm. I mean, you

54:52

can't. At this point, you just

54:54

have to hope you can die

54:56

before they get you, because this

54:58

level of lies. This isn't going

55:00

to end well. You can't, you

55:03

can't possibly. You wouldn't be a

55:05

dollop. Yeah, but you can't possibly,

55:07

like, yeah, I have been lying.

55:10

I mean, you go, that guy's

55:12

fucking bullshit. A plane flew into

55:14

my head. So rumors swirled days

55:17

before the Dems would attack

55:19

his war record. Sure. But

55:21

it did not happen, probably

55:23

because it would blow back on them

55:25

hard. Yeah, it's the same thing. You're

55:27

in a no-in situation. Very easy to

55:29

just be told you hate America. Yeah.

55:31

I mean, the way you see Trump,

55:33

like, Trump was just like, they don't

55:36

care for America. Now he's just like,

55:38

they want to blow it up from

55:40

the inside because they hate you and

55:42

they hate the flag. It's like, it's

55:44

not. Yeah, it would just be why

55:46

are you attacking you attacking here, you

55:49

attacking hero, hero, etceter. Well, which

55:51

means more speeches. He

55:53

also signed a studio deal

55:55

for the rights to his

55:57

life story. Really

56:00

getting in deep. Imagine. Imagine Pig for

56:03

that. I went to town. Would you

56:05

decide, did you get anything? I got

56:07

a handful of magic beans. In February

56:10

1954, Doug thought he was going to

56:12

LA to get an award. But he

56:14

suddenly found himself instead on a TV

56:17

show. Oh, I kind of remember this.

56:19

Because it's a TV show that surprised

56:21

people. It was this is your life.

56:24

Oh my god. So people didn't know

56:26

when they were going to the show

56:28

people didn't know someone just tricked them

56:30

to go right. Oh my god. Oh

56:33

the fucking nerves going through him. He's

56:35

suddenly on TV. And so me pull

56:37

this up. Oh my god. Oh right.

56:40

I gotta go ahead because these idiots

56:42

are doing a thing. So right so

56:44

3 34 It was like I have

56:47

something to tell you you're actually on

56:49

the show. This is your life. Okay,

56:51

ready. Yeah. Now went off because I

56:54

moved to God this stupid. I hate

56:56

it just the worst I mean, just

56:58

work. Just please. Like, what does it

57:01

have to be? What do you lift

57:03

up your phone? Does it have to

57:05

turn? Oh my God, I did it

57:08

again. How about when you try? How

57:10

about, if you know on YouTube, now,

57:12

if you touch the screen, touch it.

57:15

And this is, this is your like,

57:17

what can you, has all, is it?

57:19

I'll speed it ahead, so I guess

57:22

the right part. But if you like

57:24

touch it wrong, YouTube's like, oh, you

57:26

like, you like, you, you, you, you,

57:29

you, you, you, you, like that, like

57:31

that ad, you, like that ad, like

57:33

that ad, like that ad, you like

57:36

that ad, you like that ad, you

57:38

like that ad, you like that ad,

57:40

you like that ad, you like that

57:43

ad, you like that ad, you like

57:45

that ad, you like that ad, you

57:47

like that ad, you like that, you

57:49

like that, you like that, you like

57:52

that ad, you Righting to Moses and

57:54

the Nazis in the Gestapo building, our

57:56

mission of course is to stay secure

57:59

to them that they couldn't expect us.

58:01

And I guess I'm on the spot

58:03

for us with second operation. And he

58:06

started becoming a great... and starting to

58:08

really fine-tune speeches. Working with the British

58:10

and French, you capture a high German

58:13

official and destroy all installations at that

58:15

point. On a split-second schedule you have

58:17

a rendezvous with an allied plane that

58:20

lands in a hate field to pick

58:22

up ten of your men and your

58:24

famous prisoner. So you dug with four

58:27

of your men armed with Tommy guns,

58:29

form rear guard protection. The plane is

58:31

three minutes late, but the mission is

58:34

accomplished. We were scheduled on our split

58:36

second plan and immediately we felt the

58:38

sharpness of their backs. We were caught

58:41

up with us. We were first stripped

58:43

of all of our clothing, then forced

58:45

through walk across the street and watched

58:48

them burn the church to the ground

58:50

and since we've come running from the

58:52

buildings, they were shut down and closed

58:55

up. Okay, so. I have question. Well,

58:57

first of all, the people you were

58:59

interjecting our grandsons today. Right. I remember

59:02

this, yes. This is one of the

59:04

biggest shows on television at the time,

59:06

if not the biggest. It's a huge

59:08

television show. And the guy who's recounting

59:11

what happened to him is the host.

59:13

Yes, the host is like prompting him

59:15

to say stuff, right? It's like, it's

59:18

like set up so the questions will

59:20

prompt you to talk about what happened.

59:22

Yeah. So, uh, that's our watching this.

59:25

The vets who actually captured Otto

59:28

Hahn are not really into the

59:30

thing they're seeing. The Salt Lake.

59:32

He should have been on this

59:35

isn't your life. That would have

59:37

been better. The Salt Lake County

59:40

Young Democratic Club began an investigation

59:42

into Doug's war record. Laborines and

59:44

vets organizations quickly got involved. In

59:47

June. CBS aired a drama of

59:49

his war story. Oh my God.

59:52

Now not a movie, a drama,

59:54

so it must have been like

59:56

an... hour program or something but

59:59

it's like it's not a film

1:00:01

it's it's a recreation yeah recreation

1:00:03

sort of thing and then right

1:00:06

after that airs a producer buys

1:00:08

the rights to his life for

1:00:11

a film now this is your

1:00:13

life say he was totally vetted

1:00:15

sure his story now included being

1:00:18

told by doctors he would never

1:00:20

walk again overcoming that and walking

1:00:23

with a king So he runs

1:00:25

for office again in 1954, and

1:00:27

so like I guess a couple

1:00:30

months later or something, he says

1:00:32

he's running again. And his opponent

1:00:34

now is Walter Granger, who had

1:00:37

run four years before, and when

1:00:39

he ran, he was called a

1:00:42

commie and all that shit, right?

1:00:44

So. Is McCarthyism still kicking? Yeah,

1:00:46

yeah, yeah, yeah. And a quote,

1:00:49

dupe of the Kremlin controlled the

1:00:51

Communist Party. That's what they called

1:00:54

the guy last time. So now

1:00:56

he's running against him. A paper

1:00:58

made up a corruption story about

1:01:01

Granger in the last election, but

1:01:03

people are like, he should be

1:01:05

the guy to run again. So

1:01:08

he does. So Granger had known

1:01:10

for a year that Doug is

1:01:13

lying about his record. So he'd

1:01:15

already known this. But he's not

1:01:17

going to leak it or go

1:01:20

public himself because he thought it

1:01:22

would backfire At one point. Well,

1:01:25

I think you don't have to

1:01:27

say anything publicly Yeah, but you

1:01:29

definitely you leak If you advance

1:01:32

what you want it, but you

1:01:34

have to do it. Yeah You

1:01:36

can easily go and find the

1:01:39

soldiers that he was supposed to

1:01:41

have been with and they would

1:01:44

come on go what the fuck

1:01:46

easy. That's not hard Anyway, I

1:01:48

won't point someone to ask a

1:01:51

grandeur question about Doug's record at

1:01:53

a public meeting and he declines

1:01:56

to discuss it. The Army Times

1:01:58

begins investigating Doug in January after

1:02:00

his TV apparent. and then there

1:02:03

was a following newspaper series about

1:02:05

how awesome he was. Another unknown

1:02:07

news organization investigated him in the

1:02:10

summer, but they couldn't find any

1:02:12

documentation to prove Doug's claims are

1:02:15

false. So this is why when

1:02:17

anybody in the media reaches out

1:02:19

to the Department of Defense, they're

1:02:22

stonewalled. The DOD does not want

1:02:24

to offend a sitting congressman because

1:02:27

it can hurt their funding. Oh

1:02:30

my God. The OSS doesn't

1:02:32

exist anymore. Everyone he worked

1:02:34

with died. Yeah, everyone else

1:02:36

captured. Yeah, right. Yeah. In

1:02:38

August, a congressman who was

1:02:40

wounded in battle reached out

1:02:42

to the Army Times with

1:02:44

a tip. And this is

1:02:46

considered the first reliable tip.

1:02:48

The times began going through

1:02:50

all Doug's speeches and any

1:02:52

documents. And they got a

1:02:54

letter from Dr. Hahn saying

1:02:56

he had never been kidnapped.

1:03:04

I mean, you've got to

1:03:06

be like, a lot of

1:03:08

this is not adding up.

1:03:10

I mean, it's supposed to

1:03:12

be very difficult for you

1:03:14

to be like, I mean,

1:03:16

I'm starting to wonder, is

1:03:18

he pathological? This is insane.

1:03:20

And they also quickly realized

1:03:22

that Doug had not been

1:03:24

in Europe when Han was

1:03:26

taken in. Sure. So on

1:03:28

October 11th, an editor reaches

1:03:30

out to Doug. Right, so

1:03:32

it's under a month before

1:03:34

the election. And they talked

1:03:36

for about 30 minutes. It

1:03:38

was an unsatisfactory conversation. He

1:03:40

was evasive, calm, and confident

1:03:42

sounding. But unable to produce

1:03:44

one source. Show me the

1:03:46

Purple Heart to his backstory.

1:03:48

Yeah, so literally, no, but

1:03:50

I mean, he's kind of

1:03:52

crafted that over time that

1:03:54

there's nobody who could corroborate

1:03:56

because everyone's dead. The edit

1:03:58

agreed to take quote. any

1:04:00

one sentence confirmation from anyone

1:04:02

in the CIA who had

1:04:04

the OSS files. Doug asked

1:04:06

Eisenhower to release the CIA

1:04:08

records to vindicate him. He

1:04:10

hoped that he won't. He

1:04:12

hoped the CIA would say

1:04:14

the records were closed forever

1:04:16

and say what they said

1:04:18

that the records didn't exist.

1:04:20

Better. So Doug called his

1:04:22

friends in DC and then

1:04:24

he got them all to

1:04:26

call the Army Times editor.

1:04:28

Quote, some accused, some warned,

1:04:30

some threatened, most reasoned. So

1:04:32

they're doing the full court

1:04:34

press to save this guy's

1:04:36

ass. The Times published the

1:04:38

story on October 14th, then

1:04:40

the shit really hit the

1:04:42

fan at the paper. They

1:04:44

were attacked by many and

1:04:46

called it a hurricane. The

1:04:48

Democratic Party bought 10,000 copies

1:04:50

and distributed them in Utah.

1:04:52

That's smart. That's good. Yeah.

1:04:54

That's that strategy. That's something

1:04:56

I missed. Mmm. They also

1:04:58

gave their investigative report on

1:05:00

Doug to LDS Church President

1:05:02

David McKay. Oh, like he's

1:05:04

gonna give a fuck. Well,

1:05:07

he calls, he calls Doug

1:05:09

in for a meeting. Really?

1:05:11

We need to talk about

1:05:13

this. And Doug's like, it's

1:05:15

not true. This is the

1:05:17

fucking lies. Absolutely thought everything's

1:05:19

a lie that you did?

1:05:21

No. But then McKay keeps

1:05:23

getting information and later that

1:05:25

day he goes, I need

1:05:27

you to come back So

1:05:29

a second meeting in the

1:05:31

same day about how you're

1:05:33

fucking like well, it's latter

1:05:35

in the day God damn

1:05:37

it come on. Yeah, and

1:05:39

Doug again, it's and Doug

1:05:41

this is for a pook,

1:05:43

yes Poopy, we're having some

1:05:45

fun. And Doug again denied

1:05:47

the reports. He told the

1:05:49

press he was going to

1:05:51

sue the army times and

1:05:53

the writer. I'm going to

1:05:55

sue him. Then Doug was

1:05:57

grilled by two fellow Utah

1:05:59

Republicans, one who was a

1:06:01

senator. And he finally admits

1:06:03

it's false. Wow. of it?

1:06:05

Yeah, quote. See, I wouldn't

1:06:07

even do that. I'd be

1:06:09

like, oh yeah, a couple

1:06:11

of them I fudged. I

1:06:13

think, I think the... He

1:06:15

was hurting. He wanted to...

1:06:17

No, I know, I think

1:06:19

really the timing is, it's

1:06:21

the auto-hawn thing and being

1:06:23

not being there in Europe

1:06:25

is really... I think he's

1:06:27

just... How's he going to

1:06:29

deny part of it? I

1:06:31

mean, I would, I don't

1:06:33

know. I guess I would,

1:06:35

I really, if, I mean,

1:06:37

I'm just, I'm trying to

1:06:39

be, it's like, I guess

1:06:41

you don't really have an

1:06:43

option, but I would certainly

1:06:45

be like, a couple of

1:06:47

the things are made up,

1:06:49

but most of it's true.

1:06:51

I'd start there. I think

1:06:53

a couple of them got

1:06:55

away from me. Suddenly I

1:06:57

was free. I wanted to

1:06:59

shout it. It was like

1:07:01

a spiritual baptism. Oh, shut.

1:07:03

Oh, for talk. You, motherfucker!

1:07:05

You absolute motherfucker! You absolute

1:07:07

motherfucker! No, no, no, this

1:07:09

is me when I did

1:07:11

no, no, you fucking don't.

1:07:13

I felt flushed out. You

1:07:15

fucking piece of shit. So

1:07:17

then LDS leaders are like,

1:07:19

he got to come clean.

1:07:21

So he did that night.

1:07:23

He went on TV, KSL,

1:07:26

and in his speech, he

1:07:28

said his war stories were

1:07:30

false as tears streamed down

1:07:32

his face. Dave. Quote, here

1:07:34

are the facts. I never

1:07:36

participated in any secret behind

1:07:38

the line's mission for our

1:07:40

government. I never captured Adohan

1:07:42

or any other German physicist.

1:07:44

And when he was done,

1:07:46

he sobbed in Lee's arms.

1:07:48

This is when? Let's just

1:07:50

say... This is when? How

1:07:52

proud we are of his...

1:07:54

service though? No, this is

1:07:56

when you put this guy

1:07:58

in a vest of bricks

1:08:00

and throw him in a

1:08:02

lake. You do not... That's

1:08:04

what they... That's what they...

1:08:06

That's what they... That's what

1:08:08

they... That's what the Germans

1:08:10

did to him, basically... No,

1:08:12

they didn't. He just admitted

1:08:14

that this is the problem.

1:08:16

Sorry, the French... You are

1:08:18

not allowed in the same

1:08:20

day to go from a

1:08:22

lying war hero to a

1:08:24

church redemption story. No. I

1:08:26

am not going to allow

1:08:28

this. So

1:08:31

Gareth, it's America, police for

1:08:33

the record. He hates American

1:08:35

heroes. I love it. And

1:08:37

the Constitution on my sleeves.

1:08:39

The Spokane Chronicle reported both

1:08:41

political parties were now mad

1:08:43

at the army times because

1:08:45

they printed the story when

1:08:48

they did and Republicans. were

1:08:50

upset it was before elections

1:08:52

and Democrats are because they

1:08:54

didn't wait for them to

1:08:56

drop their own report first

1:08:58

so they could be the

1:09:00

guys. Sorry, the politician was

1:09:02

reviewing the documents. Jesus. The

1:09:04

Democrats report was a 17-page

1:09:06

report detailing all of the

1:09:08

lies. And it was learned

1:09:10

the White House had found

1:09:13

out about the lying six

1:09:15

months before and done nothing.

1:09:17

So Eisenhower knew. Yeah. Doug

1:09:19

had even lied about going

1:09:21

to Ohio State and the

1:09:23

University of Cincinnati. Oh, Jesus.

1:09:25

If he starts doing jumping,

1:09:27

Jacks. A few days later,

1:09:29

he drops out of the

1:09:31

election. Republican scramble, but get

1:09:33

a new candidate, and he

1:09:35

wins. Doug went back to

1:09:38

Ogden and said he hit

1:09:40

up an old employer for

1:09:42

a job quote They told

1:09:44

me to never set foot

1:09:46

in this place again It's

1:09:48

nice and then someone who

1:09:50

ran speaking club. So it's

1:09:52

like a dinner club for

1:09:54

for speeches and around the

1:09:56

country It's called The Knife

1:09:58

and Fork Club. Just like

1:10:00

the cloak and dagger boys.

1:10:03

And they asked him if

1:10:05

he wanted to speak again.

1:10:07

And in early 1955, this

1:10:09

is just months later, he

1:10:11

gave his first post-ruined life

1:10:13

speech in Detroit's town hall,

1:10:15

and Doug said people started

1:10:17

asking him when he was

1:10:19

going to go back into

1:10:21

politics. See, this is what

1:10:23

is so fucking stupid. This

1:10:25

is what we do this

1:10:28

now. We take a... a

1:10:30

ghoul. And then we go,

1:10:32

hey, go on Big Brother.

1:10:34

And then you're like, oh,

1:10:36

they're not so bad. And

1:10:38

then you go, okay, and

1:10:40

then they become a figure

1:10:42

again. It's like Nigel Farage,

1:10:44

like these these turns deserve

1:10:46

to sink. And instead, because

1:10:48

of these little outlets where

1:10:50

because they're a scandalous figure,

1:10:53

they're able to kind of

1:10:55

have a carve, it's like

1:10:57

cameo. It's like you, so

1:10:59

you just, now you have

1:11:01

a little world, there's a

1:11:03

little area where you can

1:11:05

exist and you build yourself

1:11:07

back up and then people

1:11:09

like, I like him. Well,

1:11:11

let's see. Let's what happens,

1:11:13

Gareth. He wasn't doing many

1:11:15

speeches and they didn't pay

1:11:18

what they used to. He

1:11:20

got an occasional job like

1:11:22

working for insurance company between

1:11:24

lectures. The title of the

1:11:26

new speech that he was

1:11:28

doing is called I Believe.

1:11:30

And it's... Excuse me, sir.

1:11:32

I actually think it did

1:11:34

happen now. It was a

1:11:36

mix of his personal philosophy,

1:11:38

current events, and spiritual stuff.

1:11:40

Quote, it's the same speech

1:11:43

I gave before with the

1:11:45

elimination of the war story.

1:11:47

It's four seconds. It's a

1:11:49

four second speech. It's me

1:11:51

saying thank you and good

1:11:53

night. He's also giving talks

1:11:55

in LDS churches again, though

1:11:57

quite a few people were

1:11:59

disgusted that he had the

1:12:01

goal to show his face

1:12:03

in public. Well, what the

1:12:05

actual fuck. It feels like

1:12:08

I was in church and

1:12:10

this guy showed up. I

1:12:12

would be like, hey, what

1:12:14

are we doing here? What's

1:12:16

like our thing here? Because

1:12:18

it feels like biblically, no.

1:12:20

Redemption. Yeah, I know that

1:12:22

is what it is, but it's like

1:12:24

you have to have some standards. You

1:12:26

have to have some standards. It's why

1:12:29

it's why guys like Russell Brand go

1:12:31

over to the church because then they

1:12:33

can say, but then I found Jesus.

1:12:35

Oh yeah, no, no, you get absolutely.

1:12:37

He planted great. He planned it great.

1:12:39

He like built the bunker. He was

1:12:41

like, huh, and then they come out

1:12:43

for him and then he just goes,

1:12:46

oh God, what did I tell you

1:12:48

that we're gonna come for me? When

1:12:51

he had a speech in a

1:12:53

town, there were a few angry

1:12:55

letters that would come in the

1:12:57

local paper. He can't hold the

1:12:59

job. Lee got a job selling

1:13:02

dinner in China and went back

1:13:04

to school and eventually became a

1:13:06

psychologist. And you'd just like look

1:13:08

at the back of it and

1:13:10

you're like, this was made in

1:13:13

Poughkeepsie. I believe. Doug is really

1:13:15

trying to make ends meet. And

1:13:17

after a while, he did get

1:13:19

back in a radio in Salt

1:13:22

Lake using an alias. Don Douglas.

1:13:24

Lee said she would come home

1:13:26

and quote, he'd be sitting there

1:13:28

with tears in his eyes listening

1:13:30

to Madame Butterfly. Oh my goodness

1:13:33

gracious, kraiki, kraiki, kraiki, we all

1:13:35

have our holes. We all have

1:13:37

our dark places. For me, it's

1:13:39

Hamilton. Yeah, it's cats. Oh my

1:13:41

lord, that is wild. I'm not

1:13:44

sure. when but at some point

1:13:46

Lee talked him into moving the

1:13:48

family to Mexico to get away

1:13:50

from the quote taunting and humiliation

1:13:52

in Utah. Remember he has kids

1:13:55

he's got four kids I think

1:13:57

so his kids are just getting

1:13:59

I'm sure it's all religious

1:14:01

paintings. Can we just start

1:14:04

to take the hands of these people

1:14:06

please so I don't have to

1:14:08

look at dog paintings from war

1:14:10

criminals anymore. I'm sure it's

1:14:13

all religious paintings. I'm sure

1:14:15

it's all religious paintings. I'm

1:14:17

sure it's all religious paintings.

1:14:19

I'm sure it's all religious

1:14:21

paintings. I'm sure it's all

1:14:23

religious. Right. It's gotta be.

1:14:25

Well, you know George W.

1:14:27

Bush. does paintings of the

1:14:29

injured from the Iraq war

1:14:31

and then is like, yeah, I

1:14:34

mean, you're just like, hey,

1:14:36

what are we doing? What are

1:14:38

we at? I think I

1:14:40

painted this guy's limb that

1:14:42

I'm responsible for losing burden

1:14:45

ash. So he starts having

1:14:47

heart attacks, so they moved

1:14:49

to California, Long Beach, and

1:14:51

he said he was writing

1:14:54

a book and had a publisher.

1:14:56

Quote I was immature and like most enjoyed a hearty

1:14:58

slap on the back from there the story bloomed all out of proportion

1:15:00

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, yeah,

1:15:03

no, no, no, no, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

1:15:05

no, no, you're a liar You are a liar, you

1:15:07

are a liar, it's not back paths aren't the

1:15:09

seeds of your fib garden, you piece of flowers,

1:15:11

you, like flowers, like flowers, like flowers, and, like,

1:15:13

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, flowers,

1:15:15

like, like, flowers, like, like, flowers, like, like, like,

1:15:17

like, flowers, like, like, like, flowers, like, flowers, like,

1:15:19

like, like, flowers, like, like, like, flowers, like, like,

1:15:21

like, flowers, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

1:15:23

like, like, like, I mean, I'm just giving people

1:15:25

what they want to hear really great stories.

1:15:27

So it sounds like he knew what

1:15:29

he was doing, right? But not

1:15:31

according to the book he wrote,

1:15:33

which he said he got a

1:15:36

20,000 advance, or maybe he did,

1:15:38

he got a $20,000 advance from

1:15:40

random house to write. In 2013,

1:15:42

three of his grandkids said the family

1:15:44

had his never before published

1:15:47

book and that it wasn't his

1:15:49

fault. So that thing I played earlier,

1:15:51

the kids. intersecting that

1:15:53

they're saying yeah their whole thing

1:15:56

is that well this isn't his

1:15:58

fault he wrote that he didn't

1:16:00

realize he was telling lies until

1:16:02

after he was elected to Congress

1:16:05

and once he did he couldn't

1:16:07

admit it because people would think

1:16:09

he was crazy so he was

1:16:11

trapped Gareth he was trapped he said

1:16:14

what he was in the hospital

1:16:16

listening to war stories on the

1:16:18

radio he began imagining himself in

1:16:20

battles and then they became real

1:16:22

to him what is what are

1:16:24

we doing we just literally China

1:16:27

kills billionaires. You just have to, we

1:16:29

have to just start picking some people

1:16:31

and we just have to do it.

1:16:33

Like the second he starts doing this,

1:16:35

you have to be like, look, we're

1:16:37

gonna we're gonna put you on CBS

1:16:39

prime time and we are going to kill

1:16:41

you. After the election in 1952, as rumors

1:16:44

popped up that he wasn't a war hill,

1:16:46

he then did start to doubt himself.

1:16:48

And one night, he was lone on a

1:16:50

trip and he decided he needed to

1:16:52

see his war records to jog his

1:16:55

memory. The Salt Lake

1:16:57

Tribune quote, Later that same

1:16:59

night, he woke suddenly shouting,

1:17:01

There are no records. Then

1:17:04

he remembered it all, and he

1:17:06

realized his time in the LSS

1:17:08

was a figment of his imagination.

1:17:10

So, so this story of

1:17:12

how it's a figment of

1:17:14

his imagination is as stupid

1:17:17

as the stories he was

1:17:19

telling. It's the same lying.

1:17:21

This isn't how it works.

1:17:23

He's got a problem. It's

1:17:25

not a problem. No, it's

1:17:27

not. No, it's completely not.

1:17:29

But, but again, he's being

1:17:31

enabled by a couple different

1:17:33

bumpers around him. Well, family,

1:17:35

church, politics. Just trying to

1:17:37

get his family to believe

1:17:39

him, don't you think that's all

1:17:41

he has right now? This is

1:17:43

a man who should not have

1:17:45

any mirrors in his house because

1:17:47

looking into them is not an

1:17:49

option. Q met in Butterfly. He

1:17:51

never sends the book to

1:17:53

the publisher. Instead, he returned the

1:17:55

money and put it away in

1:17:57

a drawer. That's what he said.

1:18:00

I'm assuming that he just wrote

1:18:02

the book and no one wanted

1:18:04

it and that's what he told

1:18:06

his family. Or that like someone

1:18:08

read it and they were like,

1:18:10

are you fucking kidding me? You

1:18:12

should go back to Mexico. I

1:18:14

mean, like you need to get

1:18:16

the fuck away from you. So

1:18:18

they're living in Long Beach and

1:18:20

at some point he gets a

1:18:22

job in radio and Lee stumbled

1:18:24

across the book in 1994. He

1:18:26

died in 1966, in 1966, at

1:18:28

44, of a heart attack. So

1:18:30

he dies young. Okay. So she

1:18:32

finds the book in 1994. I

1:18:34

mean, clean out your drawers once in

1:18:37

a while. Like, do you do

1:18:39

it? Honestly, I mean, there's supposedly,

1:18:41

like, there's supposedly a big cash

1:18:44

bonus in one of 30 years.

1:18:46

Look at the drawers. Honestly,

1:18:48

what did A&E come over to

1:18:50

do a hoarders? Doug wrote that

1:18:53

being on the stage during This

1:18:55

is Your Life made him feel

1:18:58

physically ill. Lee wrote a

1:19:00

forward in his book, quote, he

1:19:02

literally reimagined a total story, sufficiently

1:19:04

important to warrant the extent of

1:19:07

his injuries. His ego latched onto

1:19:09

the attention this story brought him. There

1:19:11

is. You are the only time this

1:19:14

happened, sir. You are a liar. You are a

1:19:16

liar. You are a liar. You are a liar. You are

1:19:18

a liar. You are a liar. You are a liar. You

1:19:20

are a liar. You are a

1:19:22

liar. Well, am I... They can't

1:19:25

say that you're a liar, so

1:19:27

everyone around you has to lie

1:19:30

enabled and rebuild your lies. Counterpoint.

1:19:32

No. I sleepy made it. No.

1:19:34

What? It's a technical, psychological

1:19:36

term. You sleepy make.

1:19:39

So when you're laying

1:19:41

in a bed and you

1:19:43

listen to radios. You absorb

1:19:46

it, and it's called sleepy

1:19:48

making. And then you think...

1:19:51

You're a liar. The story

1:19:53

is real. You lie. You lie.

1:19:55

I have two brains. From

1:19:57

the book. Quote. Without

1:20:00

a pass to recall, a future

1:20:02

to plan and build for, I

1:20:04

fled each night to that world of

1:20:06

fantasy where time and space did

1:20:08

not exist. I roamed the battlefields of

1:20:11

the world, conquering the enemy and

1:20:13

restoring peace to a war-torn earth. Thus,

1:20:15

psychologists do not think it so

1:20:17

strange that I awoke one morning consciously

1:20:19

remembering my dramatic but imaginary part

1:20:21

in a war that was all too

1:20:24

real. I mean, could you say

1:20:26

any clearer that you have the mind

1:20:28

of a toddler? If that, okay, let's

1:20:30

just take and say that's true.

1:20:32

Then why did the story keep

1:20:35

getting crazier and changing? Yeah, completely.

1:20:37

It doesn't work. This lie just

1:20:39

is complete. So if you woke

1:20:41

up in, I realize that your

1:20:44

life, that you remembered an event

1:20:46

and it was a lie, okay,

1:20:48

let's give you a pass. You

1:20:50

kept fucking riffing on your lie

1:20:53

because it kept making your spotlight

1:20:55

bigger. Yes. Yes. Lee said on

1:20:57

the book, well, we really do

1:20:59

just start, we need to cast

1:21:01

rate the relatives, like the younger

1:21:03

generations of these people, we just

1:21:05

need to start taking ball bags

1:21:07

off of them. It's going to

1:21:09

stop the genetics and also it

1:21:12

sends a message that like, look,

1:21:14

if your grandpa was a pathological

1:21:16

liar and you try to reinvent

1:21:18

that to redeem him in some

1:21:20

way, you will lose your genitals.

1:21:22

This is Lee on the book quote. I

1:21:24

think he definitely believe he had those

1:21:26

experiences But I really don't know how

1:21:28

to account for it right because you

1:21:31

know because you sat there and watched

1:21:33

him increase the lie. He's a fucking liar

1:21:35

Yeah, so his three grandkids tried to start

1:21:37

a go fund me It made no fucking

1:21:39

money. They were like we're gonna get his

1:21:41

real story out there saying he didn't lie

1:21:44

This that was in 2013 that they

1:21:46

that the and at that time go

1:21:48

fund me to take the genitals of

1:21:50

these three grandkids who tried to do

1:21:52

that. It's weird. I mean, the genitals

1:21:54

taking at the time the Salt Lake

1:21:56

Tribune wrote up an article mostly backing

1:21:59

this new narrative. They raised almost

1:22:01

nothing, so it's all

1:22:03

fine. So yeah, like I

1:22:06

said, he died in 1966

1:22:08

at 44 years old of

1:22:10

a heart attack. Sources, history

1:22:13

to go dot Utah dot

1:22:15

gov Washington post some YouTube

1:22:18

stuff, deseret.com, the Ogden Standard

1:22:20

Examiner, the Salt Lake Tribune,

1:22:22

the Lindsay Gazette, the Salt

1:22:25

Lake Tribune, the Salt Lake

1:22:27

Tribune, the Salt Lake Desert

1:22:30

News, Associated, Depressed, The Evening

1:22:32

Star, Time magazine, and yeah,

1:22:34

that's it. And Salt Lake

1:22:36

Tribune, I said that, right,

1:22:39

yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1:22:41

good stuff, man, good stuff, oh. At

1:22:43

some point, look, I don't expect it

1:22:45

to happen, okay, and I'm not gonna

1:22:48

make this a long one, okay? Let's

1:22:50

just, let's just get it over with.

1:22:52

But at some point, at some

1:22:54

point. We need to start

1:22:57

finding a consistent moral compass

1:22:59

and punishing those who cross

1:23:01

it. Otherwise, we are going

1:23:04

to continue to just allow

1:23:06

lies, like allow lies veiled

1:23:09

in our team's jersey to

1:23:11

fester complete and continue.

1:23:14

And until then, it's just,

1:23:16

it's, we don't deserve things.

1:23:19

This is just crazy. Do

1:23:21

we love the army? Do

1:23:24

we support the veterans? Then

1:23:26

these grandkids need their genitals.

1:23:29

Take them. Oh, we don't? Okay,

1:23:31

then let's stop fucking

1:23:33

saying we do. We are him

1:23:35

the country. We are we are

1:23:38

dug in the nation. Holy

1:23:40

shit. We are. We are

1:23:42

just a thousand, a thousand

1:23:44

piles of bullshit in one

1:23:46

flag walking around pretending to

1:23:48

be the greatest. Apparently

1:23:56

I've heard this one before.

1:24:00

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love the dollop. You love

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listening to the dollop. Do you

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want to watch the dollop? You're

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like, Gareth, what are you

1:24:11

talking about? By the way,

1:24:13

it's not Gary, it's Gareth.

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