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Good stuff. And I want to get straight

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to it right away because we have lots to

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talk about. So as you know, tomorrow,

1:21

maybe you don't, tomorrow is Donald

1:23

Trump's 100th day in office. And

1:27

he has a lot to show for it. Read it in week. 100

1:30

days in office. I mean, does it feel like 100

1:32

days or do they feel like 100 years? I mean,

1:34

it's crazy. Spiking inflation,

1:37

trade wars. ongoing bloodshed

1:39

in Ukraine and Gaza, a host

1:41

of illegal deportations, and of

1:43

course, a constitutional crisis. In short,

1:45

sheer chaos, both at home

1:48

and abroad. We have

1:50

so much to reflect, I should say, on the

1:52

first 100 days, on the eve of the first

1:54

100 days. And I'm grateful to be

1:56

joined by the perfect guests. Here's David Graham. David,

1:59

thank you, sir. Staff writer at The

2:01

Atlantic, a friend of the show, also

2:03

the author of the brand new New York

2:05

Times bestseller. David, the

2:07

project, how Project

2:10

2025 is reshaping America. It's

2:12

been a few months since we saw you. How are you doing? I'm

2:15

hanging in there more or less. It seems

2:17

pretty well with the best seller. I mean, it

2:19

seems that you're doing, and you know, the

2:21

stuff that you are writing for the Atlantic is

2:23

trending, and that's why we have you here.

2:25

So David, let's just

2:27

show the folks. This is what David's one

2:29

of his latest articles, and it's on

2:31

Project 2025. The Project

2:33

2025 presidency, the blueprint for Trump,

2:36

2 .0 predicted much of what we

2:38

have seen so far and much

2:40

of what is to come by

2:42

yours truly or his truly, David

2:44

A. Graham. So, David, let's talk. Project

2:47

2025, you guys predicted it. You

2:49

knew what was coming. You got

2:51

out ahead of it. What has

2:53

been for you, one of

2:56

the most surprising things, in

2:58

the first 100 days, what do you make of

3:00

the first 100 days? I mean, the speed with which

3:02

they've moved has really impressed me. I thought that

3:04

they would get a lot done, but I just didn't

3:06

think they could possibly get as much done as

3:08

quickly as they can. And I think a lot of

3:10

that comes down to Elon Musk, but

3:12

they are much further ahead in

3:14

the sort of overhaul of the government

3:16

than I anticipated. And I think that a

3:18

lot of them anticipated as well. Yeah,

3:21

overhaul of the government. The thing is

3:23

though, is it legal? Is it

3:25

illegal? Like what the hell? What

3:27

scandal or scandals have you have

3:29

to surprise you most? You know,

3:31

I'm not surprised you at all. I don't

3:33

know. I think that the well Talk

3:35

about something like deportations on the one

3:37

hand. It's totally scandalous that we would be

3:39

deporting somebody who's a legal protected citizen

3:41

It's even more scandalous. It would be deporting

3:44

US citizens and perhaps I shouldn't be

3:46

surprised, you know Immigration experts are warning

3:48

us that when you have a kind of

3:50

dragnet like this, when you don't have

3:52

due process, you're going to end up with

3:54

these kinds of abuses. But

3:56

here we are and we're seeing them and it's shocking

3:58

to see. Um,

4:01

yeah, I, I think the deportations for me,

4:03

that is a huge deal. Um, and also

4:05

I think the cruelty with which they are

4:07

doing some of this stuff, even looking at

4:09

what they did on the White House lawn

4:12

today. Did you see that behind the, the,

4:14

the correspondence and the reporters and someone on

4:16

one of my social media sites brought up

4:18

a very good point. They said, Donald Trump

4:20

is a convicted felon himself. Where's

4:22

his mug shot on that lawn? First

4:25

of all, I think it's amazing to see it's amazing

4:27

to see them saying that people shouldn't have due

4:29

process when Trump himself has relied so much on due

4:31

process You know, he used it to slow down

4:34

his cases. He complained about the way the system works

4:36

He used every one of his appeals, but he

4:38

thinks that the law should apply it to him but

4:40

not to other people clearly Let's

4:42

talk about Project 2025 and one

4:44

of your most recent pieces. You

4:46

encourage Americans to resist the impulse

4:48

and I quote here to think

4:51

about Project 2025 as simply a

4:53

laundry list of management tweaks and

4:55

policy proposals. And you say it

4:57

is a blueprint. You say

4:59

it's a blueprint to quote

5:01

transform American society in their

5:03

image. Expand on that, please. Yeah,

5:06

you know, until I read all of Project 225,

5:08

I'd read bits and pieces, but until I

5:10

sat down to read the whole thing, I don't

5:13

think I appreciated how much of a system

5:15

it is. And they really are not just trying

5:17

to impose a lot of conservative policies. They're

5:19

trying to change the way the government works. They're

5:21

trying to change the structure of the government.

5:23

They want to give more power to the president.

5:25

They want to roll through these independent agencies.

5:27

They want to shut down the federal bureaucracy, make

5:29

it a lot smaller. And all of this

5:31

is to get these policies and all these policies

5:33

are designed to change American society towards this

5:35

very traditional heteronormous approach to the family. And I

5:38

think it's really important for people to see it

5:40

as this whole system and see it as

5:42

this vision of society, not simply a list of

5:44

policies. I feel like the

5:46

biggest story of the last year was

5:48

Project 2025, obviously, but you know, Donald

5:50

Trump, as he does with everything, I

5:52

don't know any, I know nothing about

5:54

it. Project 2020, I have never met

5:56

the guy. It's like, well, it's

5:58

everything that he has now since we know

6:00

now since the other one. Uh,

6:02

was biden dropping out of the race.

6:04

That was huge. I remember being

6:06

on vacation and we got the work

6:08

and we could hear People around

6:11

us going and we were in a

6:13

foreign country going. Oh in different

6:15

languages saying, you know, donno Biden and

6:17

then we were like, whoa, whoa,

6:19

okay Every newspaper was writing about it.

6:21

Uh, it was everywhere on cable and

6:23

streaming Why does it seem some americans

6:25

are so surprised by by it? You

6:28

know, I think that it's a couple

6:30

of things. One is that they did see it

6:32

as this list of policies. And I also

6:34

think that Trump really effectively did distance himself from

6:36

it, which is a bit of a mystery

6:38

how he's able to do that. I mean, there

6:40

was polling last fall showing that the ideas

6:42

in Project 2025 were very unpopular. Even the Heritage

6:44

Foundation, which did it, their own polling showed

6:46

that it was very unpopular. And yet people simply

6:48

didn't believe that Trump would do these things.

6:50

And now here we are. And Trump is doing

6:52

these things. I mean, he's going right down

6:55

the list. The executive orders come straight from Project

6:57

2025. And so does the attack on the

6:59

bureaucracy. One of the

7:01

most interesting aspects of your piece

7:03

is how you break down the

7:05

fact that Project 2025 takes a

7:07

very firm stance on just about

7:09

every political issue, but the authors

7:11

hedged on one in particular,

7:13

tariffs. Big into

7:16

that for me. Yeah, you know, I think you

7:18

can seek some of the seams of the Republican

7:20

Party where Trump has taken over so many

7:22

aspects But there's some places where for example

7:24

the old school free trade fiscal conservatives still

7:26

have a little bit of a foothold and

7:28

so you get it you get a debate

7:30

in project 2025 between Peter Navarro who is

7:32

in the White House now saying that we

7:34

should have tariffs as a way of taking

7:36

on China and then you have another guy Kent

7:38

last man who leads a conservative free trade

7:40

Think Tank saying no tariffs are a terrible

7:42

idea and they're gonna cost people money. So

7:44

They can't quite come to an agreement on

7:46

that. In your

7:48

piece, they can't quite come to an agreement on that.

7:50

Can they come to an agreement on anything? Well,

7:53

I think they're in agreement on this very

7:55

right -wing vision of society. That's the one

7:57

thing that does seem to unite them. Yeah.

8:00

In your piece, you say there

8:02

are two things to come that

8:04

we should anticipate, and that it's

8:06

Trump's attacks to end any policies

8:08

that acknowledge climate change. So we're

8:10

not going to be talking about

8:12

that or we're kind of doomed.

8:14

We've doomed the planet. And an

8:16

examination wide campaign to

8:19

return America to quote

8:21

an idealized pre Roe v. Wade America. And

8:23

that's that's what I think you said

8:25

they agree on. Right. Becoming a conservative America.

8:27

Talk to me about that second part

8:29

because that sounds frightening really. Yeah.

8:32

I mean I think this is the heart of their

8:34

vision. So they want to ban abortion. Obviously no surprise.

8:36

But they also want to go to

8:38

this kind of 1950s vision of family. They

8:40

want families that are married. They want the father

8:42

working. They want the mother at home with the

8:44

children. They want religious schools

8:46

teaching biblical principles. They

8:49

want to push gay people to the margins. They

8:51

want to write trans people out of the very

8:53

language of the government and say that they don't

8:55

exist. So it's a whole comprehensive

8:57

platform to create this vision of

8:59

society and to move everything through a

9:01

biblical system, to put everything through

9:03

faith -based organizations. Yeah,

9:05

I said examination wide, but you know,

9:07

it's my glasses. I'm in administration

9:09

wide. Hey, is that is that the

9:12

fan? Is

9:14

that your family? It might be. Yeah. That's

9:16

great. Oh, we like that.

9:19

We have dogs at bark and

9:21

growl and they jump in sometimes. So

9:23

we like, we like the authenticity of it and we like

9:25

kids. How old is your kid? We got

9:27

an eight and a five. Woo. How

9:31

are you doing? I

9:34

should ask you before. How are you? Okay,

9:39

let's talk about this. I

9:42

want to talk about you

9:44

and your conversation with Ashley

9:47

Parker and Michael Shear.

9:50

They recently profiled President Trump and

9:52

I was actually shocked. They

9:54

went to the White House. Jeffrey

9:57

Goldberg, right? The Trump folks at

9:59

Jeffrey Goldberg can even come. It

10:02

shocked me because Trump was sort of raging

10:04

at you guys. They were saying, oh

10:06

my God, it's it's Goldberg's fault. The Atlantic

10:08

is a piece of, you know what?

10:10

Been raging at your Atlantic colleagues for a

10:12

signal gate. Why do you

10:14

think he agreed? Is it because he

10:16

all publicity for him is good publicity even

10:18

when it's terrible? I think

10:20

that's a lot of it. I asked

10:22

them this question, why do think he talked to

10:25

you? And part of it is I

10:27

think he likes the idea of talking to

10:29

a magazine he doesn't think is friendly. And then

10:31

he wants to sort of show his dominance

10:33

through doing that. I also think

10:35

they told me he has such a sense

10:37

of winning. And so he wants to put somebody in

10:39

front of him, whether it's Jeffrey Goldberg or whomever, and

10:41

he wants to kind of win them over. So he

10:43

turns the charm on. And they said, you know, with

10:45

most people, you're not going to shout at somebody and

10:47

call them a lot of names and then

10:49

turn around the next day and invite them over.

10:51

But that's just how Trump operates. He's playing

10:53

different audiences and he doesn't have that same kind

10:56

of normal approach to people that most folks

10:58

do. Here's something that I

11:00

found interesting. And it's kind of

11:02

saying what I just said. And

11:04

that is that in your conversation,

11:07

the idea that quote

11:09

game recognizes game. is

11:11

brought up. It suggests that

11:14

Trump referred to Signalgate as a

11:16

success. That's right.

11:19

Yeah, he's talking about how it's a success.

11:21

And Jeffrey Goldberg said, well, do you mean

11:23

it was a success and that we showed

11:25

a vulnerability in the way your administration operates?

11:27

It showed something you can improve upon? And

11:29

Trump was like, no, you dominated the news

11:31

cycle. For like three days, you dominated the

11:33

news cycle. So you get a sense of

11:36

exactly what he values. He respects somebody who

11:38

can take over the attention and challenge him

11:40

for attention in that way. Yeah,

11:42

um David, what do

11:44

you think about Donald Trump? This is

11:46

these are historically low Poland poll

11:49

numbers. He is becoming more unpopular as

11:51

the days go by This morning,

11:53

this is what my assessment and look

11:55

perhaps I'm wrong because I'm not

11:57

there in Washington But all of a

11:59

sudden they had this

12:01

sort of unusual Out

12:04

of the ordinary press briefing at

12:06

9 a .m. this morning and maybe it

12:08

was a scheduling issue I don't know in

12:10

the Oval Office, excuse me, in the White

12:12

House briefing room. Interesting questions

12:14

including, you know, Shadour Sanders,

12:16

why he fell from one or

12:18

two to fifth place or

12:20

to the fifth round in the

12:23

NFL draft, but... you think it's

12:25

because they're trying to get ahead of the

12:27

narrative? Let's put it. This is a drudge

12:29

headline. I just want to show you, show

12:31

you. And then I'm just wondering if you

12:33

think they're trying to get ahead of the

12:35

bad news. But this is a drug saying,

12:37

historically unpopular, lowest 100 day score in 80

12:39

years, 39 % approval. And then they say, where

12:41

is the boom? What

12:43

do you think is going on here? You think

12:45

they're working hard to change the narrative because

12:48

every time they try to change it, something worse

12:50

comes out or everyone keeps pointing out how

12:52

badly they're doing. I think you're right. I think

12:54

they're trying to change the narrative. And they know that with this

12:56

100 days coming, there were going to be a lot of polls, and

12:58

they had to know those polls were not going to be good. They

13:01

see what's going on in the economy. They have their

13:03

own polls. And so you see him giving an interview

13:05

to the Atlantic. You see him giving an interview to

13:07

Time Magazine. You see them doing this briefing.

13:09

Trump learned in the first term that he could

13:12

sometimes change the narrative, or at least distract

13:14

attention, even if was to something also bad. And

13:16

if he could do that, he could keep

13:18

people from really locking into anything. And I think

13:20

we see him returning to that strategy once

13:22

again. Do you think the Steve

13:24

Bannon I'm paraphrasing here kind of but

13:26

I think he said something very similar like

13:28

just throw bullshit at the wall just

13:30

that I think he says an avalanche or

13:32

a fire hose or whatever and just

13:34

get the sort of the media scattered and

13:37

get them on to that in the

13:39

meantime He's doing stuff behind

13:41

Let's see. What do you call

13:43

it a sleight of hand right not

13:45

in and not in eyesight? Yeah,

13:47

I mean, I think that's working you think or do

13:49

you think people are like, okay, they're on to it

13:51

and they've become you know, sort of immune

13:53

and they're tired of it. I don't know. You know,

13:56

I think it works in some cases and some in some

13:58

cases it doesn't. I think there's a lot that they're

14:00

getting done. I think this sort of hollowing out

14:02

of the federal government is happening and a lot

14:04

of people aren't seeing what's going on. But

14:06

it's really hard to hide people's economic fortunes. If

14:08

people can't buy, can't afford the things they

14:10

want at the grocery store, if they feel like

14:12

things are getting bleaker for them, you can't

14:14

hide that. They're going to notice it. James

14:17

Carvel said, just Democrats

14:20

should do nothing. and

14:22

they should just stand by

14:24

and let the MAGA administration

14:26

and the Republicans sort of

14:28

eat their own and destroy

14:31

themselves. Does that appear to be working?

14:33

You know, I'm not sure that's exactly what

14:35

they're doing. I think that Trump is

14:37

undermining himself, but you see Democrats, for

14:40

example, going to El Salvador. You see

14:42

them focusing on these issues. And I

14:44

think that's important not just as a

14:46

matter of politics, but as a matter

14:48

of morals. I mean, if we... who

14:50

oppose Trump have to stand for something

14:52

and if deportation of citizens and deportation

14:54

of people with protected status isn't that? What's

14:57

the point in holding any kind of elected office,

14:59

you know? Yeah, true

15:02

So then as folks would

15:04

say then now what because

15:06

Every time we think it can't get

15:08

worse I spoke with Olivia Troy

15:10

and she said something you remember Olivia

15:12

Troy, right? She said something I

15:14

thought was very profound to me that

15:16

her haven't haven't heard but I

15:18

think You might agree with is she's

15:20

concerned about what links they will

15:22

go to to get whatever Donald Trump

15:24

wants accomplished accomplished and she should

15:26

know she's been there. She worked with

15:28

Mike Pence. She's used to works

15:30

in intelligence and security and all of

15:32

those things. And she said, shit,

15:34

that is the scary part is

15:37

what links

15:39

will they go to? And so

15:41

the question is, and how bad

15:43

can it get? You should have some sense

15:45

of that. Yeah, I

15:47

mean, I think that they, you know, they've

15:49

already talked about the idea of defying

15:51

judges. They have tried to reduce rule of

15:53

law. And I think once, you know,

15:55

once they break through that rule, that wall

15:57

of rule of law. They

16:00

can break the law in any number of

16:02

things. So it's a really important thing to

16:04

be watching. And they're

16:06

seizing power. Project 25 lays

16:08

out this plan for the president to have much more

16:10

power. And the question is what

16:12

he'll do with that power. He's already

16:14

using it for retribution. He's using it to

16:16

enrich his allies. He's using it to

16:18

go after democratic fundraising. So

16:20

it's hard to know just how far it might go.

16:23

It's only been 100 days, and that's

16:25

really incredible. When you say

16:27

increase presidential power, Um, does that mean

16:29

defying judges? It's not, I'm sure it's

16:31

not explicitly laid out that way in

16:33

project 2025, but they are defying judges.

16:35

Judges have been ordering them to do

16:37

things and they're like, no, we're not. Yeah.

16:40

We didn't know. We just kind of, we had

16:42

no idea. And, you know, they just keep pushing

16:44

it do we know? Yeah. Yeah.

16:46

I mean, it's a mix. They, they,

16:48

um, A lot of what they talk

16:50

about in Project 2025 is defying Congress,

16:52

taking power and rolling over laws that have

16:55

existed because they think a law is

16:57

unconstitutional. Their faith is very much in the

16:59

Supreme Court. They think the Supreme Court will back them up

17:01

so they can challenge these things, appeal them, and they

17:03

want to bring these test cases. And the question

17:05

is whether the Supreme Court does, in fact, rubber stamp

17:07

what Trump wants to do or whether they are

17:09

able to back him down. Wow.

17:13

I mean, it certainly is frightening.

17:15

How much of Project 2025 do

17:17

you think that they have accomplished

17:19

so far? You know,

17:21

I've tried to quantify it and it's hard to do

17:23

because there's a mix of these, you know, small

17:25

little individual items and then these kind of bigger systemic

17:27

questions. But we see a ton of the executive

17:29

orders that come directly from Project 2025. We

17:32

see federal bureaucrats being laid off. We see

17:34

Schedule F to convert them to political appointees.

17:36

So that's really a big chunk of this

17:38

movement towards executive power. And so much of

17:40

their game is just they want to get

17:42

as far as they can, as fast as

17:44

they can, because they know the pushback

17:46

is coming. And so they saw these first

17:48

hundred days as a really crucial period. And

17:51

I think. the speed of which they've acted

17:53

and the breadth of their grab

17:55

shows how serious they were.

17:58

And look, this is what

18:00

is happening now. When you look

18:02

into the future, these institutions and

18:04

these government programs, USAID,

18:06

the Department of Education, and all

18:08

of those things that they are

18:10

getting rid of or reducing or

18:12

making impotence, so to speak, when

18:16

the next president comes in, or if

18:19

they are as they have been with

18:21

some of these things, order to put those

18:23

funds back or rehire some of the people.

18:26

It's not as easy as just saying, okay,

18:28

you're rehired or we're gonna redo this

18:30

thing. You have to build that over again.

18:32

And there's also a brain drain that

18:34

is going on in Washington DC, not just

18:36

in Washington DC, but in the federal

18:38

government around the country. I think that's

18:40

such an important point. You can't just put these

18:42

things back. You can't restart programs. People are going

18:44

to get new jobs. They're going to move on.

18:46

They're not going to want to work for president.

18:49

Who they see is this capricious. And so there

18:51

are these studies that have been going on

18:53

for years that are getting shut down. You can't

18:55

simply pick those back up. You can't pick

18:57

up research that's been going. So even if there

18:59

are defeats for Trump and court, I think

19:01

they've permanently transformed a lot of the federal government.

19:03

Yeah. And I think

19:06

they permanently transformed, I

19:08

believe, sadly, the

19:10

corporate media. And

19:14

I believe law firms like going, you know,

19:16

going against law firms and threatening them

19:18

and then getting the law firms to bend

19:20

the knee. The same thing is

19:22

happening with corporate media. If you

19:24

look at this merger that CBS once

19:26

done, you know, from

19:28

Paramount, their parent company now to Skydance,

19:30

which is eventually going to buy it

19:32

if Donald Trump doesn't stand in the

19:34

way. So they

19:37

are look, it's just not just like

19:39

federal jobs. They are having a

19:41

profound effect. on institutions

19:43

that Americans rely on in order

19:45

to keep the rule of law

19:47

and to make the government as

19:49

transparent as possible. I want to

19:51

know you think about the law

19:54

firms, how they are sort of

19:56

acquiescing, and also the media. Look

19:58

at what happened with 60 Minutes,

20:00

who I know they're going to settle soon.

20:02

Look at what happened. The guy who

20:04

had it quit and then, yeah.

20:06

In in project 1025 Brendan Carr who wrote

20:08

one of the chapters and now is the

20:11

head of the FCC lays out this plan

20:13

for how to use broadcast licenses and the

20:15

threat of withdrawing them to pressure these companies

20:17

He uses lays out a plan for how

20:19

to use censorship and how to shut down

20:21

PBS and NPR So they're very much very

20:23

systematically moving through these important watchdogs because they

20:25

know how effective they are and they also

20:27

know where the weak points are and corporate

20:30

ownership is very much one of those woodpoints

20:32

Well, look, I love the work

20:34

that you do very enlightening and you

20:36

guys are really doing, uh, doing it without

20:38

fear of favor, which is what journalism

20:40

should be about. Uh, and you're getting some

20:42

great scoops, controlling the news cycle. So

20:44

continue to do what you do. David A.

20:46

Graham, the staff writer at the Atlantic

20:48

and a friend of this show, also the

20:50

author of the brand new New York

20:52

times bestseller, the project, how project 2025 is

20:54

reshaping America. Don't you do a podcast

20:57

as well? I don't. I've been

20:59

on every podcast in the last week. It feels like,

21:01

but I, I can't do it too much for me

21:03

or do we lose David? Is

21:06

it my service? I didn't hear you, David.

21:08

Oh, I've been on every podcast. I feel

21:10

like in the last week, but I am

21:12

not smart enough to do my own podcast

21:14

too. Too much. You're

21:17

right. You're smart not to get involved

21:19

with too much. But somehow I'm still going.

21:21

Thank you, David. We'll see you again

21:23

soon. All right. David

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Nikki must be working here. Sorry. I was

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right So that's a

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and speaking of the substack story that

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I wrote and I'm gonna write another

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one I don't know you think it's

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we'll see I'll ask the the legends

25:36

if it's too late to write about

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Shannon Sharp because I wrote something and

25:41

then I held it because Some folks

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said ooh Don who this one could

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get you in trouble because people don't want

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do I have a list of the lemon

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27:00

can't hear you guys. Well,

27:03

hanging in there. Are

27:06

How are you? I'm

27:08

How was everyone? We're

27:12

trying. Right in the

27:14

struggle bus, baby. I

27:17

got the ultimate compliment this

27:19

weekend on Friday. I went

27:21

to dinner with some friends

27:23

who are very tough critics

27:25

and they said, Don, I

27:28

love what you're doing. I've been watching

27:30

and I love that you point

27:32

out people in the comments. You bring

27:34

your community on and a lot of folks

27:36

are not doing that. They're just

27:38

sort of doing a canned kind of

27:40

podcast or streaming show. And so what

27:42

they believe that what we're doing is,

27:44

you know, a bit unorthodox and unusual,

27:46

but in a good way. Do

27:48

you guys agree with that legends? Absolutely.

27:52

agree. 100 % 100

27:55

100 % % % % 100 100

27:57

% % % 100 % % % 100 100 100 100 % % 100

27:59

100 100 % 100 100

28:01

% 100 100 100 100

28:04

% 100 100 %

28:06

100 % 100 % Don't you guys, do

28:08

you guys don't have this much influence on

28:10

any of the other shows? Do you? Oh,

28:12

no, I don't know. I don't even

28:15

think they even read our, you know, comments

28:17

or anything. The

28:19

damage

28:21

report was John Iderola. Um,

28:24

I, he, like he is very engaged

28:26

with his audience, but that's only

28:29

one. Good. I'm good.

28:31

Paris Settmeyer and the girls, they

28:33

do. they engage with their audience

28:35

a lot. Good. You know, Tara's a

28:37

friend of the show and also contributes

28:39

to the channel. So, amen. We love that.

28:41

Okay, so where do you guys want

28:43

to start? Do you want to start with

28:45

his poll numbers? You want

28:47

to start with, because he's very unpopular, we

28:50

can talk about if you

28:52

want to talk about Sidhu

28:54

or Sanders. We can talk about that.

28:56

If you guys want to save it till last, I

28:59

wrote something on my sub stack. You saw that at

29:01

donlemon.com. It takes you right there. Why don't I put

29:03

this up? Let's put the drudge thing back up, Andy,

29:05

so we can show the folks. Drudge

29:07

headline says historically unpopular lowest

29:09

100 day score in 80

29:11

years, 39 % approval. Where's the

29:13

boom now? My

29:16

friends who are cynical about the

29:18

who are cynics, they will say he

29:20

has that much approval rating. But

29:22

I mean, look, it's historically low.

29:24

And I think he's second only

29:26

to himself. So what

29:28

do you guys think needs zero? Okay,

29:31

who said that? Luria,

29:34

he needs to be zero for a while. We

29:36

need to be down down. You are

29:38

you surprised at seeing that's even at 39%.

29:41

But I you're not surprised to see that it's

29:43

an historic low. Are you? All

29:46

of the above I've been surprised that he even made

29:48

it as far as he has. I've

29:51

not been a fan since the 80s. And

29:53

I'm not from New York. Really?

29:57

Talk to me about that. Why do you think he

29:59

still has 39 % Loria? Because

30:02

I think that part, I think

30:05

it's a cult. I think people

30:07

are just have willful ignorance and

30:09

they just don't want to. Just

30:12

be aware. I mean I in the very beginning.

30:14

I thought it was just oh, they're just

30:16

done They're hearing the wrong script. They're not paying

30:18

attention if they paid attention they would do

30:21

better when they knew better It's just the human

30:23

condition. They don't want to who said

30:25

it was a

30:27

cult Go ahead

30:30

No, that

30:34

was me Monique. Oh,

30:36

hey Monique. How are you? I'm

30:39

good um it

30:41

was all throughout his

30:43

uh first term the 33

30:45

to 39 percent never

30:47

changes no matter what

30:49

he does and those

30:51

are his staunch supporters

30:53

he can do anything

30:55

he wants and that

30:57

number never changes the

30:59

only time i've seen

31:01

that number change recently

31:03

has been what he's

31:06

doing constitutionally and

31:09

breaking the law and not

31:11

listening to judges. That's the

31:13

lowest I've ever seen. I think

31:15

it was something like there was

31:17

only an 8 % or 9 %

31:19

approval of people saying that he

31:21

doesn't even have to listen to

31:23

the Supreme Court. But most people

31:25

are saying that he has to

31:27

at least adhere to what the

31:29

judges are saying. But that 30

31:31

-something percent, it never moves no

31:33

matter what he's doing. Yeah, I'm

31:35

right on about that. I can attest to

31:37

that having covered it. So, look, make sure

31:39

you hit the like, make sure you hit

31:41

the thumbs up, please, because it affects the

31:44

algorithm. More people get to hear from our

31:46

lemon legends, okay? Okay,

31:48

so let's do this.

31:51

James. I

31:53

want to talk to you about the

31:56

polling because he's unpopular in not

31:58

only with his strong suit, which is

32:00

the economy, but also it appears in

32:02

some way. We'll see if it sticks

32:04

that what he's doing with

32:06

immigration is backfiring. I want to play something

32:08

and I'm to get you to come respond

32:10

to it first. This is from the morning

32:12

Joe on Trump's polling and unpopularity. Okay.

32:14

Here it's about 90 seconds

32:16

pot. 100 days

32:19

for Trump in office and he

32:21

is ringing that in with

32:23

some very low marks Let's go

32:25

through some of them starting

32:27

with a new ABC News Washington

32:29

Post poll which finds just

32:31

that 39 % of Americans approve

32:33

of the way Trump is doing

32:35

his job That's compared to

32:37

55 % who disapprove back in

32:39

February mind you those numbers were

32:41

45 % positive and 53 %

32:44

negative Trump's approved rating in this

32:46

poll is lower than any

32:48

past president at the 100 -day mark

32:50

of their first or second term.

32:52

So this is historically low for

32:54

President Trump. According to the Washington

32:56

Post, Trump has seen a decline

32:58

of 10 points among white people

33:00

without a college degree, who of

33:02

course are a key part of

33:04

his political coalition. Trump's also

33:06

down 13 points among adults who are

33:08

under the age of 30. The

33:11

Post also - why don't we

33:13

take it one step at a time. Can we go back, what is

33:15

the first number? And then we can

33:17

get everyone to weigh in,

33:19

because especially among white voters, really

33:21

important. So the first one

33:24

was what? President Trump's job performance,

33:26

39 % approved, 45%. It

33:28

was 45 % in February. 55

33:30

% approved now. It

33:32

was 53 % in February.

33:35

And that's not much of

33:37

a move, James. But still,

33:39

it's going in the wrong direction. I

33:43

don't think he cares. I don't think

33:45

he cares more. No, no, not

33:47

at all. He has an agenda

33:49

he's focused on, and

33:51

his cabinet is focused on,

33:53

his cronies, and whether they're in the

33:55

government or outside the government. And

33:58

as your previous guest

34:00

from the Atlantic just said, this is

34:03

no surprise. It's all spelled

34:05

out in Project 2025. A

34:07

couple of us here have

34:09

taken pieces to Project 2025 and

34:11

studied it amongst ourselves. and

34:13

really compared and contrasted

34:16

for some other projects that

34:18

folks are working on.

34:20

And I got education and

34:22

I was shocked, you

34:24

know, it's right in there.

34:26

Everything that's there in

34:28

project 2025 is happening. And

34:31

the differences with all of these

34:33

executive orders that have been written,

34:35

they're so layered that people don't

34:37

realize it. Like, yes, it may

34:39

say, dismantle the

34:41

department of education, and

34:43

that's all anybody hears, but they don't

34:46

realize that encompasses, you know,

34:48

freeing appropriate education for special needs

34:50

kid and appropriate. It

34:52

encompasses school breakfast for for undernourished kids.

34:54

It encompasses school, you know, student

34:56

loans and the Pell grants and things

34:58

for college kids. I mean, there's

35:00

so much more to it. that just

35:02

can't be dumped on the states,

35:04

because if they think their taxes are

35:06

high now at the state level,

35:08

wait until that all gets dumped down.

35:11

But I get whole numbers. I just,

35:14

I'm not sure they even matter, Don. I

35:16

just don't think they matter. Look,

35:19

he likes, I think one thing, maybe, I

35:21

don't know, I have to think about it.

35:23

I think maybe he doesn't now, but I

35:25

think they're concerned about them. That's why they're

35:27

doing, they're trying to control the media narrative

35:29

so much, especially in the two states. that

35:31

are important to him. So let's go to

35:33

the next one that's up there. The

35:36

next one was what, Andy?

35:38

That was John Performance in the next

35:40

one. He's

35:45

seen a decline of 10 points

35:47

among white people without a college

35:49

degree. A key part of his

35:51

political coalition, he's also drawn down

35:53

13 points among adults under the

35:55

age of 30 and 11 points

35:57

among those who say that they

35:59

did not vote. They said that

36:01

they did not vote in November.

36:03

Nietzsche, let me bring you in.

36:05

Anitra, you think

36:07

he's concerned about, you know,

36:09

losing white voters? You

36:11

think he's concerned about any of this? I

36:14

think he's. Say

36:19

again. I

36:22

think he's delusional. Can

36:24

you hear me? Yes, ma 'am. I

36:27

think he's delusional. So in

36:29

his head. Everything is fine.

36:32

Everything is good. His team is worried about it.

36:34

But I don't think he is right now.

36:36

I think he will if it sinks down a

36:38

little further. But he doesn't

36:40

care. He's not thinking about

36:42

anybody but himself. And

36:44

the consequences be damned, you

36:46

know? So as much as

36:48

I'd like to believe it, the

36:51

man is just not right.

36:53

And the things that matter

36:55

to normal people don't matter

36:57

to him, in my opinion.

37:00

and he'll just lie his way through it in

37:02

his head. Kim, should

37:06

we be concerned about these numbers,

37:08

especially among white people without a college

37:10

degree? That's one of his strongest

37:12

constituents. I think his

37:14

ego can't, he can't help himself, but

37:16

care in a way. I don't know

37:18

if you've seen, I haven't fact checked

37:20

it, but I do believe it's right

37:22

that he's raging over these poll numbers

37:24

already. He wants,

37:26

he's demanding investigations. Into

37:28

the pollsters so I think

37:30

he's worried. I think he's worried

37:32

He's raising a big it

37:34

Yes, he is he is Demanding

37:36

investigation and of course what

37:38

we need to be afraid of

37:40

is that he's saying that

37:42

it's You know he's it's gonna

37:45

be illegal or he's gonna

37:47

call it treason or he's gonna

37:49

pull all of you know

37:51

his word salad that he uses

37:53

To go after people and

37:55

that's where we have to be

37:57

concerned now Don't

37:59

you think? Yeah, don't you think he's

38:01

gonna start doing what he did? I

38:03

think he sued the one at what's

38:05

her name guys remind me of her

38:07

name The one at Viola, I don't

38:09

remember what and so it's also didn't

38:11

he sue her? Did he sue her?

38:13

I know that she yes, okay? So

38:15

he's doing the media companies don't you

38:18

think that there he's gonna start suing

38:20

the Poll polling companies because he believes

38:22

he's unnip it and he believes you

38:24

know his his numbers are higher than

38:26

You know what what the posters are showing?

38:29

Absolutely. His ego cannot handle it,

38:31

right? It's just the

38:34

fragile ego cannot tolerate Anything that

38:36

goes against him. I mean, he's

38:38

even mad at Fox News at

38:40

this point Which I think that's

38:42

ingrained in him. That's what he

38:44

how he grew up to die

38:46

to die to die and put

38:48

out your own truth And that's

38:50

what he's gonna do here May

38:52

money you have your hand up.

38:54

Whoops. What say you? Well

38:58

a few things so first

39:00

of all We shouldn't be concerned

39:02

that he's concerned. Yeah, his

39:04

ego is he's probably crying like

39:06

a little bitch right now

39:08

like about all sorts of stuff,

39:11

but we shouldn't be concerned

39:13

because We ain't gonna do anything.

39:15

So he's gonna do whatever

39:17

he wants to do. We have

39:19

not done anything to stop

39:21

this person And so it's like

39:25

Well, why do we care about

39:27

what he's concerned about? Because we

39:29

obviously aren't concerned about what we're

39:31

not, what we're not doing. Sorry.

39:33

It's kind of loud in my

39:35

background. Um, so I'll try to,

39:37

um, what

39:39

do you call it noise reduction? Cause we can't really hear

39:41

it. Oh, okay. Good. Good.

39:44

Good. Good. Okay. I'm glad. Um, but yeah, I

39:46

just, I don't know what. What

39:48

should we be concerned about we

39:50

should be concerned about the inaction of

39:52

like the how far that this

39:54

is gonna go That's what we should

39:56

be concerned about I don't care

39:58

about his little ketchup throwing temper tantrums

40:01

then then the oval office because

40:03

we're not doing anything about it so

40:05

That's what I think we should

40:07

be concerned about is our inaction and

40:09

like the fact that we're just

40:11

like Letting him just run him up

40:14

all over and he's not following

40:16

no rules We should be concerned about

40:18

how bad it's going to get

40:20

before we actually are like, okay, enough.

40:23

Okay. Let's play it now with

40:25

sound, Andy. Thanks

40:27

among white people without a college

40:29

degree, who of course are a key

40:31

part of his political coalition. Trump's

40:34

also down 13 points among adults who

40:36

are under the age of 30. The

40:38

Post also notes that Trump is

40:41

underwater among independents, a group that he

40:43

just narrowly lost back in November. Among

40:45

that voting block? 33

40:48

% prove of his

40:50

job handling, while 58 %

40:52

disapprove. Let's dive into the

40:54

issues now. Some of the top ones more

40:56

than before we get that independence. Camille,

41:00

a concern or are you with the folks?

41:02

It doesn't really matter, but his ego

41:04

can't take it so he just can't even

41:06

stand the reporting of it. Yes

41:09

and no. And the pushback,

41:11

the little bit of the pushback

41:13

that I have is that

41:15

this is where local getting involved

41:17

in your local politics is

41:19

so important. I

41:22

do think that his downfall will

41:24

be his hubris. What? I mean,

41:26

I just think that's inevitable. But

41:28

to say that, you know, we're

41:30

not doing anything. I know that

41:32

that can feel that way. But.

41:35

I think also when you are

41:37

trying to fight your enemy,

41:39

you have to start from the

41:41

bottom up. You can't go

41:43

right to up. I can't go to the

41:45

White House right now, right? But what I

41:47

can do is I can educate my fellow

41:49

constituents. You actually can go to the White

41:52

House. You can ask to in. Well, you

41:54

know what I mean. Right, right, right. Maybe

41:56

they'll let you in. Right? Maybe. But

41:59

you know what? Yeah, my point.

42:01

My point being like, I think that

42:03

I know that I have seen

42:05

a slight more movement in my community

42:07

because I'm taking a lot of

42:09

action locally. And even little

42:11

things matter. And, you

42:13

know, I think we also have to

42:16

really put the pressures on our

42:18

local representatives because guess what? They're looking

42:20

at those posts too. And

42:22

if you're going to put pressure on them, it's

42:24

going to, it really helps to do it

42:26

at the local level. And I

42:28

truly believe that even, you know, my,

42:30

my husband is a civil engineer

42:32

and he works with construction workers. He's

42:34

talked to his construction workers, not

42:36

even necessarily about the president himself, but

42:39

more of like. you

42:41

know, about the, you know, the tariffs,

42:43

you know, how things would going to

42:45

affect them. I mean, you name it,

42:47

Medicare, Medicare. And they're like, wow, I

42:49

can't believe that this is happening. This

42:51

isn't necessarily what I voted for. And,

42:53

you know, my husband isn't going in

42:55

there being like, you should have voted

42:57

for Kamala. He's like, yeah, this isn't

42:59

working out so well. And so it's,

43:01

you know, I really believe that you

43:03

have to start at the local level,

43:05

Don, to make the difference, to get

43:07

up to the higher level, to

43:10

consolidate more of

43:12

what you can do,

43:14

if that makes

43:16

sense. It does

43:18

make sense. I put back

43:21

on that, though, because this

43:23

dude is not listening to

43:25

anything. He's not listening

43:27

to anybody. I'm not saying he's

43:29

not, you're 100%, but that was

43:31

like something that would have worked

43:33

way back. I think we were

43:35

way too far gone beyond this

43:37

right now. I think something really

43:39

kind of sideways and crazy is

43:41

going to happen because I mean,

43:43

the dude is not listening to

43:46

the Supreme Court. People are disappearing.

43:48

I understand that when you're working. What

43:55

we're doing, we're working, but

43:57

it's not enough. And I'm really

43:59

afraid. But it's not going to take over now. It

44:03

didn't take. Project

44:06

2025 didn't take overnight. It

44:08

took almost 30 years in

44:10

the process of where they

44:12

are now. Us pushing back

44:14

isn't going to take overnight either. All

44:17

these major movements didn't take overnight.

44:19

Roe versus Wade, the women's

44:21

movement, that didn't take overnight. Civil

44:23

rights didn't take overnight. This isn't

44:25

going to be something that is

44:27

going to happen immediately. But

44:29

if you work every single day in

44:31

your local community and you push back

44:34

and you push back, you might see

44:36

a difference. I

44:38

truly believe that. And also, if

44:40

you, not attack, obviously, physically, but

44:42

if you go to your local

44:44

representatives, I'm in a red state,

44:47

okay? And I can

44:49

see the pushback. I can see

44:51

that they are, they're scared. And

44:53

does that mean that my local

44:55

representatives or my congressmen or my

44:57

senators are gonna turn blue in

44:59

two years or four years? Maybe

45:01

not, then maybe 10 or 16.

45:03

And that is because that's what

45:05

they've done. That is what the

45:07

Republican Party has done. I

45:09

think the problem that the

45:11

Democrats have done is that we've

45:13

wanted to put a quick

45:16

band -aid on a situation, whereas

45:18

they have really put into this

45:20

meticulous work of making all

45:22

these horrific, horrific decisions in our

45:24

life. It didn't happen overnight. Okay.

45:28

I want everybody to weigh

45:30

in, but I want to

45:32

show this is what happens. when

45:36

you do something, right?

45:39

I think you put the

45:41

heat on your representatives. They

45:44

will somehow, I believe, take

45:47

it back to Washington and say, all right,

45:49

we have a problem. Or someone from the

45:51

administration, because you know they hate bad press

45:53

or monitoring everybody, will say, all

45:55

right, we got a problem out there.

45:57

This is Mike Lawler in New York,

45:59

holding, it's part of, it's about two

46:01

or three minutes, of him at a

46:03

town hall, in his conservative district in

46:05

New York. Here it is. Make

46:08

everything more expensive for us, kidnapping

46:10

and deporting two -year -olds who have

46:12

cancer and sitting them off. So

46:14

my question to you, none of

46:17

this is helping us. We're getting

46:19

hurt. We in the

46:21

community are being harmed by this.

46:23

What are you doing to stand

46:25

in opposition to this administration? And

46:27

what specifically are you doing that

46:29

warrants the label moderate? Again,

46:39

my record speaks for

46:41

itself. I have been

46:43

rated the fourth most bipartisan

46:45

for a reason, which is a

46:48

very simple fact that unlike

46:50

many of my colleagues, I actually

46:52

do work across the aisle.

46:54

I actually do sit down with

46:56

my colleagues. There's not a

46:58

single local elected official who can

47:00

honestly say that I have

47:02

not sat down with them and

47:05

worked with them regardless of

47:07

their party. There's not a

47:09

single one of my Democratic colleagues in

47:11

the Congress who can say that

47:13

I don't do this. When it comes

47:15

to folks, if you

47:17

want me to answer the questions, let

47:20

the question be asked, and

47:22

then listen to the answer.

47:25

If you're just going to yell back and

47:27

forth, then time is going

47:29

to run pretty quick. So

47:31

folks, when it comes

47:33

to the economy, OK?

47:36

We have an affordability crisis.

47:38

This crisis didn't just start.

47:40

We've been dealing with it

47:43

for the last four years.

47:45

Everything went up. The

47:47

cost of groceries, the cost

47:49

of housing. For instance, in

47:51

Rocky County, the average mortgage cost

47:53

went up $1 ,000 a month.

47:55

That's over $12 ,000 a year

47:57

on an annual basis. Okay? And

48:00

so... What we're dealing with

48:02

is trying to reverse a

48:04

lot of this. What happened?

48:06

What caused record inflation? $5

48:09

trillion in new spending in the

48:12

first two years of the Biden

48:14

administration is what gave us record

48:16

inflation. And so

48:18

when you have record inflation,

48:20

you have to be able

48:22

to curtail inflation. So what

48:24

happened? Interest rates went up,

48:27

right? And that drove

48:29

up mortgage costs. you

48:31

have to be able to reverse

48:33

that. So you break down interest

48:35

rates, you break down

48:37

spending. Right now

48:39

we are 36 trillion in

48:41

debt. We are

48:44

spending 7 trillion on

48:46

an annual basis, with

48:48

2 trillion in deficit

48:50

spending and 1 trillion

48:52

in interest payments on

48:54

our debt. At

48:57

the end of this year, Okay,

49:07

infuriating because these folks are

49:09

in a bubble and they don't

49:11

understand the sentiment that is

49:13

happening out there. Number one, when

49:15

he talks about the debt

49:17

and the deficit and the spending,

49:20

why did that have to happen? And

49:22

by the way, look at the facts.

49:24

Who contributed more to the deficit and

49:26

the debt than anyone? Donald

49:28

J. Trump. Why

49:31

were we in this financial

49:33

crisis to begin with? Because

49:35

he fucked up COVID. Because

49:38

he handled COVID so poorly

49:40

that it nearly sent our

49:42

economy off the cliff. He

49:44

inherited a great

49:46

economy from Joe Biden.

49:49

That was going in all the right

49:51

directions and now he has it's gone

49:53

off a cliff again But the first

49:55

time he inherited a great economy from

49:58

Barack Obama who by the way in

50:00

his first term had to save it

50:02

from again another Republican president who almost

50:04

in fact did Drive the economy off

50:06

a cliff and they said that we

50:08

were days From going into I don't

50:10

even know what it is. It's not

50:13

our economy just tanking and going into

50:15

Complete chaos a place that we have

50:17

never seen it before So Donald, so

50:19

these folks, I guess they start

50:21

at some place that is convenient

50:23

for them because what he's saying is

50:25

actually not factual. He should be,

50:27

he should be saying that to Donald

50:29

Trump and these folks in the

50:31

crowd, I believe they know. So main

50:33

money and Camille, Camille, I agree

50:35

with you. It's got to start somewhere.

50:37

Even if you think it's not

50:39

making a progress or not making a

50:41

difference. And I understand your

50:43

point as well, May Money. It is

50:45

frustrating, but change doesn't come overnight. Sometimes

50:47

it is gradual and it builds, and

50:50

you need to, the folks in DC,

50:52

especially the Trump folks, they need to

50:54

see this. And not only the folks

50:56

in DC, but MAGA and

50:58

Donald Trump supporters throughout the

51:00

country need to see this, that

51:02

people are going to their

51:05

town halls and they are confronting,

51:07

so to speak, their lawmakers

51:09

in real time and the media

51:11

needs to push it out. That's

51:14

all I'm saying. Someone else had

51:16

something. I want to just close

51:18

out on my thought. So

51:20

basically, I understand. I

51:22

agree with Camille. I'm in Oakland working

51:24

with my community and working with

51:26

y 'all and everything. I definitely agree.

51:28

It's not like we can just sit

51:31

down and take it. But these

51:33

people are moving fast. And

51:35

I really do think that I'm

51:39

just worried about how bad

51:41

it's going to get to get

51:43

to that point and that

51:45

amount of time. It's only been

51:47

a hundred days and it's

51:49

I'm just scared for that. So

51:51

that's just my concern. I

51:53

understand and I love that. I love that

51:55

you guys are debating and that you're talking and

51:57

we don't all have to agree. That's

52:00

what that's isn't at the point of everything

52:02

like you learn something even if you don't

52:04

agree. with folks on things who

52:06

want to, anybody wanted to weigh in on this. If

52:08

you want to raise your hand, go ahead. Who's at

52:10

the top right with the hat? I can't see. Michelle.

52:14

Hey, Michelle. Am

52:17

I good? Yeah, good. So

52:19

it's kind of to Camille and

52:21

May Money's point. And I think Camille,

52:23

I think it was absolutely right

52:25

with we, we have to get started

52:27

on the ground and things are

52:29

moving to May Money's point at lightning

52:31

speed. I think that the overall

52:33

problem Is it enough people

52:36

haven't felt the pain yet?

52:38

Because we're not even really

52:40

there. We're there. We're

52:42

creeping into it. Prices are going

52:44

up. But I'm seeing people who

52:46

ran out and bought new vehicles because

52:48

they were getting ahead of it.

52:50

or they're shopping because they're getting

52:52

ahead of it. The people that

52:55

are feeling it the most are

52:57

the people who are disadvantaged and don't

52:59

have the loudest voices. And

53:01

the problem is either something really,

53:03

unfortunately bad has to happen for everybody

53:05

to wake up. And I mean,

53:07

even people on our side that agree

53:09

with us because they're not paying

53:11

attention on a day to day like

53:13

we are. They're not staying as

53:16

in tune. And so things are happening

53:18

because they don't even really know.

53:20

what is happening and if they're just

53:22

watching it on mainstream media they're

53:24

not getting the full story and they

53:26

still are in that everything's kind

53:28

of okay. It's not until a

53:30

couple weeks from now or a few weeks

53:32

from now when things we can't find

53:34

things on the shelves like in COVID when

53:36

you know you couldn't get toilet paper

53:38

or you couldn't get parts. We're coming up

53:40

in the summer season, you know, some

53:42

of the people that, you know, maybe it'll

53:44

hit a little more or there's people

53:47

out there with their boats that they can't

53:49

get out on the lake because they

53:51

can't get the parts or the swimming pools

53:53

that break and they can't get the

53:55

parts or, you know, or groceries are so

53:57

expensive that you don't want to have

53:59

that Fourth of July party because, you know,

54:01

it's just, it's the things that seem

54:03

frivolous. But when people hurt a little more,

54:05

maybe they'll start showing up and fighting

54:07

with us. Yeah. Yeah, I just want

54:09

to say, yeah, I completely agree with that.

54:11

And I think that's a really good point. Who's

54:14

that? Oh, Camille. Yeah, sorry. Yeah.

54:17

Who's got their hand up? Monique.

54:20

Hey, Monique, go ahead. And

54:22

also, if you want to

54:24

take any kind of a positive

54:26

from this, the fact that

54:28

we have the blueprint, we

54:31

know what's going on, right?

54:34

Don't think about it. They're not in

54:36

the shadows anymore. If you've read Project

54:38

2025, you know exactly

54:40

what they're doing. So we

54:42

can formulate a defense. I

54:45

read all 924 pages of it.

54:47

I stopped reading the novel that

54:50

I was reading in order to

54:52

read that. And if you're armed

54:54

with the knowledge of what they're

54:56

doing, you can

54:58

commit to a defense.

55:01

You take one thing at a

55:03

time and gather with your

55:05

community gather with your local lawmakers,

55:08

and you learn how

55:10

to fight each and

55:12

everything that they are

55:14

trying to do. They're

55:16

trying to dismantle our

55:18

constitution, our government. They're

55:21

trying to take us to a very dark

55:23

place, and I for one won't sit still and

55:25

let them do it without a fight. Larry,

55:28

do you want to get in? Hi,

55:31

yes, I think I kind of was that

55:33

in this comment. I agree with everyone. I'm so

55:35

thankful for this community. There's

55:38

just been a consistent complacency for

55:40

a period of time that has allowed

55:42

us to get to this point

55:44

where no one's paying attention and is

55:46

very kind of insular and until

55:48

it affects them. It

55:50

won't it won't get it won't

55:53

be their attention. Excuse me. So

55:55

I think it was on this. platform

55:57

that I heard, you know,

55:59

I voted for you voted for

56:01

yourself. And I think that's just

56:03

very selfish. So there's just an

56:05

epidemic of selfishness, really. Yeah,

56:08

I don't want to forget about Sarah

56:10

and Maureen. You've been awfully quiet, Maureen. Go

56:12

ahead. I

56:16

want to talk about my

56:18

own community. I'm actually obviously in

56:20

a very liberal area in

56:22

San Mateo County, San Francisco. But

56:25

I know my family up north,

56:27

I see it in family, friends, and

56:29

community. I do see changes. People

56:31

are speaking up. I

56:33

do worry about a little

56:35

nephew who has autism and I'm

56:37

hearing terrible things occurring in

56:39

the medical area, things

56:41

becoming costly. I

56:43

have another little nephew who

56:45

has a heart problem and I'm

56:48

hearing from Anitra that the

56:50

equipment is becoming very hard to

56:52

get to keep him safe

56:54

and monitored. So these

56:56

are the real things in

56:58

my own life but then hearing

57:00

other parts of the community

57:02

and of course this wonderful community

57:04

we have everyone's suffering and

57:07

I do think we are starting

57:09

to see the cost of

57:11

groceries going up for sure. everything,

57:13

not able to get

57:15

what we need. And

57:18

I'm not stepping

57:21

down. I'm not going to

57:23

stop. I'm not going to take it.

57:25

And I know the people that are

57:27

here today, all of you wonderful people,

57:30

you've provided us with that

57:32

community Don, and we're not

57:34

going to give in. No

57:36

way. Thank you

57:38

for that. Let's talk about

57:40

some of that. You just mentioned not being able

57:42

to get some things. And then we're going

57:45

to get, I think Sarah and Andrea haven't weighed

57:47

in yet. Okay. So I want to get

57:49

you guys to, to weigh in, but I just

57:51

want to show you what's happening. Like you,

57:53

you're saying not being able to get some of

57:55

those parts, right? Business is not being able

57:57

to get things. And the tariffs, the tariffs are

57:59

weighing on small businesses and big businesses as

58:01

well. Um, what do you guys think is a

58:03

better example of that? Is it the Aaron

58:05

one, Peter? Or do you think it is the

58:07

Martha Raditz one? I think

58:09

both are strong elements. I think

58:11

that the Aaron dels more into the

58:13

math and sort of the economics

58:16

that we can expect over the next

58:18

few months. I think that the

58:20

Martha Rattas is more personal and feels...

58:22

personal one. Got it. Yeah, let's

58:24

do the personal one. Let's go. And

58:27

former Marine Corps pilot and

58:29

combat veteran Barton O 'Brien first

58:31

heard President Trump's promise on the

58:33

campaign trail to tariff imported

58:36

goods. He worried about how it

58:38

would impact his own thriving

58:40

specialty pet gear business. I did

58:42

an analysis and realized that

58:44

would pretty much put us out

58:46

of business. O 'Brien is the

58:49

founder of Bay Dog in

58:51

Maryland, whose signature products dog harnesses

58:53

and life jackets are made

58:55

overseas. which would mean Trump's tariffs

58:57

raised the cost of all

58:59

his products. So O 'Brien figured

59:02

he would get ahead of it just in

59:04

case. We borrowed as much money as

59:06

we could. We accelerated all

59:08

of our production runs and

59:10

we brought as much inventory,

59:12

almost a year's worth of

59:14

inventory into the country before

59:16

the tariffs took effect. Inventory

59:18

like this, 132 ,000 harnesses,

59:20

leashes and life jackets lining

59:22

this warehouse floor to ceiling.

59:24

goods ready to hit retail

59:26

stores where consumers can still

59:28

pay their normal prices. But

59:30

the problem now, O 'Brien ordered

59:32

products for the fall as

59:35

well. But getting them here from

59:37

China would be a huge

59:39

expense. So we have $150

59:41

,000 worth of dog harnesses sitting

59:43

in our factory right now.

59:45

And with the current 145 %

59:47

tariff, it would cost me $217

59:49

,000 just to bring it into

59:51

the country. I'm

59:54

actually better off just lighting that

59:56

on fire and taking the loss

59:58

than I am trying to bring

1:00:00

into the country. If tomorrow. They

1:00:02

say, look, we've got this all straightened out.

1:00:04

We're not going to have these massive tariffs.

1:00:07

Have you still taken a hit? Even if

1:00:09

you turned off the tariffs tomorrow, everyone

1:00:11

would try to ship all at

1:00:13

once, and then shipping costs would

1:00:15

go way up, and that would

1:00:17

translate into price increases. O 'Brien

1:00:19

understands President Trump's rationale that tariffs

1:00:21

could help bring manufacturing back to

1:00:24

the U .S. But he said for

1:00:26

his customers, it would mean higher

1:00:28

prices. This product, which is our

1:00:30

most popular dog harness, if I

1:00:32

made it in America, would retail

1:00:34

for about $114. Right

1:00:36

now it retails for about $34. With

1:00:39

the current tariff, it'll drive, for me to

1:00:41

break even, it drives the price up to $86.

1:00:44

And that would only be the case if

1:00:46

his business even survived. I would have

1:00:48

to spend about a million dollars to build

1:00:50

a production facility. I don't have a

1:00:52

million dollars. I also have no expertise in

1:00:54

how to do that. All the machines

1:00:56

I would have to buy are made overseas.

1:00:59

And then once, if I were to get it set

1:01:01

up, it would take about 18 months over which

1:01:03

time I would probably go bankrupt. So

1:01:07

there you go. And there

1:01:09

are folks, I mean, look,

1:01:11

who's got the headphones on?

1:01:15

Who is that? Sarah,

1:01:20

you haven't weighed in. Sarah, I mean, welcome,

1:01:22

welcome, welcome. Sarah and people are still making

1:01:24

excuses and that is a real life thing.

1:01:26

I don't know if you've heard me, you

1:01:28

guys, when I say it's going to take

1:01:30

a little while, he says it's going to

1:01:32

take a little while. It takes years to

1:01:34

be able to build the infrastructure to get

1:01:36

the workforce and all of that to make

1:01:38

everything here in America. And it's just not

1:01:41

practical. Some things we don't want to make,

1:01:43

some things we want to outsource. So anyway,

1:01:45

what did you think of that? No,

1:01:47

I thought I was I was like

1:01:49

everybody that's like the common theme of everything

1:01:51

and I want to kind of like

1:01:53

share Maureen sentiment from before because I have

1:01:55

a father who you know he's a

1:01:57

little bit older my little daddy but you

1:01:59

know he had really bad he had

1:02:01

foot surgery and he was on a scooter

1:02:03

now he's on a walker I know

1:02:05

a long story short guys but you know

1:02:07

we go to his doctor's office and

1:02:10

we go like every Friday and there's usually

1:02:12

nobody in there and then all of

1:02:14

a sudden was the terror thing kicked in

1:02:16

Let me tell you, that doctor was getting everybody literally

1:02:18

and their mother in and out of that office.

1:02:20

And I never saw it so packed. And I'm like,

1:02:23

what the hell's going on? And he

1:02:25

said, look, you know, with the tariffs. all

1:02:27

the medical supplies are up over 50%. My father

1:02:29

is on Medicaid. He can't afford this. And

1:02:31

then I look at him and I like want

1:02:33

to die on the inside. I'm used to

1:02:35

being the rock of the family. And I'm like,

1:02:37

how am I going to help my father

1:02:39

get through this? I can't even help my damn

1:02:41

self sometimes, you know? So like, it's a

1:02:43

real thing. And a lot of us are feeling

1:02:45

it. And you know, as we're talking about

1:02:47

helping our communities and everything, it's like, I'm so

1:02:49

passionate about that. But also, like, if my

1:02:51

stress level gets any higher, I don't know, I

1:02:53

got this little necklace to try to breathe.

1:02:55

It's not helping Zen. my ass but whatever. I'm

1:02:58

like really struggling like I'm struggling and I'm

1:03:00

trying to get through it. But like I'm

1:03:02

so glad that I'm here because I know

1:03:04

so many people are feeling it and this

1:03:06

is the real shit that's happening. I

1:03:09

you know that that's kind of where it is

1:03:11

and I just like my dad and I feel

1:03:13

so bad and I just I got to fight

1:03:15

for him and you know that's all that's all

1:03:17

I guess. We're sorry.

1:03:20

And a lot of folks are in that

1:03:22

position. A number of folks are dealing

1:03:24

with people who are aging and now concerned

1:03:26

about Medicare and Medicaid. Andrea,

1:03:28

before you weigh in, may I play something

1:03:30

for you to respond to? Yes.

1:03:34

Okay. So let's play. This

1:03:36

is from Aaron Burnett. But what

1:03:38

I wanted people to realize is

1:03:40

that from this is that when

1:03:42

I say it's easy to start

1:03:44

this sort of tariff thing and

1:03:46

throw us into a recession and

1:03:48

a shortage. But it's hard to

1:03:50

get a supply chain back on

1:03:52

track. And I think

1:03:54

Aaron really sums this up

1:03:56

in a very visual and

1:03:58

easy way for us to

1:04:00

digest it. Here it is. Do

1:04:08

we have it? Producers? The Aaron Burnett?

1:04:12

Yeah, it's not playing standby. Give me

1:04:14

10 seconds. You can't reimport. All

1:04:17

right. So we need 10

1:04:19

seconds. By the way, let's

1:04:21

play this. No,

1:04:24

I'll wait. We'll wait. We'll wait.

1:04:26

Who else hasn't weighed in? Is someone else

1:04:28

not? Is everyone weighed in except for Andrea? We've

1:04:31

got it. Yeah. You got it.

1:04:33

OK, let's play it. This is

1:04:35

something you pointed out. OK, it's

1:04:37

something called blank shipping, right? All

1:04:39

right, blank. shipping. So

1:04:41

I'm just going to draw

1:04:43

a container ship blank sailing. Sorry

1:04:45

blank sailing blank sailing. I'm

1:04:47

not going to put a sale on it

1:04:49

because it's a big cargo ship, but you got

1:04:51

a big cargo ship here. Okay. Usually it's

1:04:53

full of cargo on the top beginning of the

1:04:56

year. These ships leaving Asia, 0 % of them

1:04:58

were skipping ports. They were going to every

1:05:00

port. They were picking up what they had containers

1:05:02

were full. Okay. Now

1:05:04

40%. This is the numbers you're

1:05:06

pointing to, Dan. As many as

1:05:08

40 % of these ships, guess

1:05:11

what? That's OK.

1:05:13

Bypassing ports. Bypassing ports. Inventory

1:05:15

is down 40%. And ships have

1:05:17

to go when they have to go.

1:05:19

You can't just sit around and

1:05:21

wait. So they're going with just a

1:05:23

few containers on them. These half

1:05:25

empty, who knows what? From 0 %

1:05:27

to 40%. And just think about what

1:05:29

it's going to look like over

1:05:31

the next week. two, three weeks, four

1:05:33

weeks. And that's ultimately, that's why

1:05:35

deals need to get done because this

1:05:37

is what business leaders from, from

1:05:39

e -commerce, you know, across every industry

1:05:41

are basically saying like, time's ticking and

1:05:43

guess what's going to happen? Shortages, massive

1:05:46

price increases. And that's where, look, we just

1:05:48

talked about for the US consumer hasn't seen

1:05:50

it yet. It's come, look, remember it goes

1:05:52

back to like, it's like being on a

1:05:54

beach. And all of a sudden, like, you're

1:05:57

in the ocean, there's no water. oh, this

1:05:59

is crazy. going run out and check out.

1:06:01

I'm going to run out. You're like, no,

1:06:03

it's because the tsunami is coming. So the

1:06:05

point is that the reality is that he

1:06:07

needs to get deals done. But

1:06:10

this question, Peter, that I'm trying

1:06:12

to understand. With

1:06:14

China, a deal doesn't just happen with a

1:06:16

snap and a finger and a go. I

1:06:18

mean, there would be nothing to

1:06:20

indicate that go. Basically, that's explaining. And

1:06:22

I think real visual, it doesn't

1:06:24

just happen with the snap of a

1:06:26

finger. I think he thought that

1:06:29

he could bully China and Canada and

1:06:31

all of these people into just

1:06:33

backing down before any of this happened.

1:06:35

And they're all saying, you know,

1:06:37

F you and China is like, I'm

1:06:39

not going to do it. So

1:06:41

now Marco Rubio is out here saying

1:06:43

we we we got to make

1:06:45

a deal, blah, blah, blah, blah. But

1:06:47

they're going to start feeling it.

1:06:49

Two things. Number one, when I see

1:06:51

that. that gives me angina because

1:06:53

that was my studio for like five

1:06:55

years and I go oh it

1:06:57

starts bringing back like some good memories

1:06:59

and a lot of bad memories

1:07:01

um but then also you know it

1:07:03

just makes you wonder like what

1:07:05

are they thinking when they Andrea when

1:07:07

they do what they do because

1:07:10

as everyone has been saying here Sarah

1:07:12

said, I got to take care of my

1:07:14

dad who's older. Small business

1:07:16

owners are saying, look, you heard the

1:07:19

guy say, I would need a

1:07:21

million dollars in order to do what he

1:07:23

wants me to do within the next year. Well,

1:07:26

first of all, Donald Trump,

1:07:29

he doesn't have anything to think

1:07:31

with. Again, we have to

1:07:33

remember all of his businesses have

1:07:35

failed. I think

1:07:37

if we continue to protest, I

1:07:39

was in Seattle this past

1:07:41

week, and the one

1:07:43

thing they were doing was protesting, and

1:07:46

the one I spoke with

1:07:48

a couple of DEI, per se,

1:07:50

employees, and they said

1:07:52

their governor, Bob Ferguson,

1:07:54

is going to stand with them.

1:07:56

He's not going to let Trump

1:07:59

take over Washington State. I

1:08:01

think if we continue to fight back,

1:08:03

continue to do what we're doing. I know

1:08:05

it's going to be difficult. It's going

1:08:07

to be hard. And I hope you stocked

1:08:09

up on things that you actually need. I

1:08:12

think we're going to win. You

1:08:15

do. I think we're going

1:08:17

to win. And right now, with

1:08:19

Kim Jong -un going

1:08:21

over to Russia to

1:08:23

fight Ukraine, all

1:08:25

of this, they are. Trump is

1:08:27

working with Putin and people

1:08:30

have to get that and Putin

1:08:32

is working with China You

1:08:34

know, so gee he has all

1:08:36

of this all in his

1:08:38

palms right now because everything you

1:08:40

buy says made in China

1:08:43

made in China Trump's gonna lose

1:08:45

this You're gonna watch him

1:08:47

lose like you watch him lose

1:08:49

everything else Let me show

1:08:51

you guys something that ran on

1:08:54

MSNBC and there this is it

1:08:56

talks about the reality. I love receipts

1:08:59

and I always say it's arithmetic and

1:09:01

the numbers don't lie, okay? So,

1:09:03

and you know how I tell you that

1:09:05

Democrats are better for the economy, but there is

1:09:07

a perception that Republicans are better. Republican

1:09:10

presidents, it's 100 %

1:09:12

not true. Do your

1:09:14

research, look at the history, okay? And

1:09:16

this show, let's just look at

1:09:18

the stock market and look at the

1:09:20

difference between Democratic presidents and Republican

1:09:22

presidents. Now I want you to look

1:09:24

at what

1:09:27

Bill Clinton had and what

1:09:29

George Bush inherited and look what

1:09:31

he did with it. Okay?

1:09:33

So George Bush tanks it. Barack

1:09:35

Obama comes in, look

1:09:37

what he does. He builds it

1:09:40

back up and then look what

1:09:42

happens under Donald Trump. And

1:09:44

then Donald Trump leaves

1:09:47

office and Biden doubles what

1:09:49

Trump did with the

1:09:51

stock market. But yet you

1:09:53

would think, that Barack

1:09:55

Obama and Joe Biden were

1:09:57

terrible for the stock

1:09:59

market, for stocks, terrible

1:10:01

for the economy. But in

1:10:03

actuality, the shit ain't true. Perception

1:10:06

is reality. They tell a better story

1:10:08

than the Democrats. The Democrats need to

1:10:10

get their story out there. For some

1:10:12

reason, it does not stick. And

1:10:15

then now, look at Donald

1:10:17

Trump's second term. Now,

1:10:22

you tell me. When

1:10:25

you guys look at

1:10:27

the actual math Even if

1:10:29

you are a Trump

1:10:31

Maga sycophant and you have

1:10:33

Maga brain and you

1:10:35

want to believe everything Donald

1:10:37

Trump says Can you

1:10:39

please just look at the

1:10:41

math and the arithmetic?

1:10:43

The numbers don't lie legends

1:10:45

have a go Make

1:10:47

sure I love the color

1:10:49

red Maybe that's it

1:10:51

Go ahead I'm looking

1:10:53

at all the things that are

1:10:55

going on. And I

1:10:58

want to mention, we're going to

1:11:00

host the world in 2028

1:11:02

for the Olympics. We have

1:11:04

to build stuff. Nobody's

1:11:06

going to want to come here. Nobody's going to

1:11:08

want to go through all this. So we're going there.

1:11:10

I'm starting to see the shelves are

1:11:12

empty in. I'm starting to see,

1:11:14

you know, all different stuff. And everybody's

1:11:16

right. When we get down to

1:11:18

the bottom of everything, And

1:11:20

people start to fill it in their

1:11:22

pockets. And when Christmas comes and Johnny's

1:11:25

baseball bat. It's

1:11:27

$55 just for the

1:11:29

handle. Okay.

1:11:32

And they can't buy anything for all their nieces

1:11:34

and nephews and the things we need in the

1:11:37

house because the salad shooter is great, but the

1:11:39

piece comes from China. So we can't put it

1:11:41

back together. So we got to buy a whole

1:11:43

new one that's not available. And

1:11:45

the guy that made all this stuff in his

1:11:47

in his. shop and bought

1:11:49

all the stuff. The only

1:11:51

problem I see he's going to run into

1:11:53

is he's going to need people that

1:11:55

can afford to buy, um, harnesses

1:11:58

and things for their dogs because people

1:12:00

are going to buy their minimum. So it's

1:12:02

getting ready to be a crisis and

1:12:04

it's coming fast. Wait till they

1:12:06

can't get those Sony playstations or whatever the

1:12:08

kids are playing now that. It costs them

1:12:10

a gazillion dollars in order to be able

1:12:12

to get it. One more thing that I

1:12:14

want to put up before we get out

1:12:16

of here, guys, because we've been on for

1:12:18

over an hour. Look at what

1:12:20

was at the White House today. Now, tell me what

1:12:22

you think of this. This is on the White House

1:12:24

lawn. Here

1:12:26

it is. Look at that.

1:12:30

It's so sickening. Yeah,

1:12:32

he forgot one name. He

1:12:34

forgot his own mug shot. He

1:12:37

forgot his own the White House, though.

1:12:39

It's outside the Oval Office. Oh,

1:12:41

that's terrible. This is

1:12:43

a type of shit I'm talking about

1:12:45

right here. This is moving too fast.

1:12:47

We don't got time. We need to

1:12:50

hurry this fighting back process up because

1:12:52

we will not be able, the damage

1:12:54

that could be done by the end

1:12:56

of four years might not be recoverable

1:12:58

in our lifetime. I'm telling you that.

1:13:01

Well, in a couple of months, it's going to

1:13:03

be a fight back anyway, because you won't be

1:13:05

able to get anything. And people, I mean, they're

1:13:07

going to be hungry. I've said this from the

1:13:10

beginning, people are not going to have food. They're

1:13:12

not going to have diapers, you know? They

1:13:15

are going to go against him. The

1:13:17

Supreme Court is saying they can't keep,

1:13:19

they got to vote against him. They

1:13:21

have, they're going to stick together. They're

1:13:23

going to vote against him, eventually. Well,

1:13:26

I mean, that's propaganda 101 on

1:13:28

the, on the, on the way. you

1:13:31

know, but he did forget one

1:13:33

convicted felon and that sure did. And

1:13:35

then and still has charges waiting

1:13:37

or pending until he leaves office. We'll

1:13:39

see if they if you know, that's

1:13:42

what I see. Yeah. His mug

1:13:44

shots hanging outside. Yeah. Yeah. He's proud

1:13:46

of it. He's proud of it. But why? Why

1:13:48

shouldn't these folks be proud of it? You know

1:13:50

what I'm saying? It's such a

1:13:52

bizarre, but that's bizarre. Just

1:13:54

like that's just beyond, you know,

1:13:56

whose idea that was that

1:13:58

was probably Stephen Miller's idea. Had

1:14:01

to be brought to himself.

1:14:04

All of them need to go to jail. All

1:14:06

of them. We've turned from a

1:14:08

society of classes to a society

1:14:10

with no class. It's that simple.

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I love you

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guys. Again,

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Thursday. And

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1:14:36

Monday. But did you guys,

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1:14:40

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1:14:43

NFL draft? Would

1:14:46

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1:14:48

guys think about it? Was it

1:14:50

some bullshit? He thought it

1:14:52

was fair. I it doesn't matter

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Listen to Bomanie Jones podcast

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