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um um. Look, last

1:05

night was not just a win for

1:07

the Red Sox, a win for baseball,

1:11

but a a big fat l for

1:13

something that baseball and especially the Yankees

1:15

want to wrap themselves around. We'll

1:17

get to that upcoming in the show. We

1:20

got a chance to see Craig Kimber, who I guessed

1:22

a butting free agent. Who um,

1:25

we'll we'll say he closed the door on

1:28

on the Yankees. But man, man,

1:31

you know, Gary Sanchez hit

1:33

one that that did hit

1:35

warning track power a little bit too high,

1:37

too high, and uh

1:40

then an amazing play from third base ends up

1:43

ending the Yankees season. John

1:45

Paul Morosi, Fox Sports MLB Reporter,

1:48

He's gonna join us twenty after the hour. Daniel

1:50

Hunter is gonna join us from the Minnesota Vikings.

1:52

Biggest win of the year for the Vikings, who off

1:55

to a bit of a curious start.

1:57

I think that's the way in which I had express it. A

2:00

curious start, just because

2:02

you know everything's going fine. Beat

2:04

the Niners at home to start the season,

2:07

you start to sustain some injury, you lose the Buffalo

2:09

Bills at home. Then you're beating in

2:11

in a titanic showdown in l

2:14

A against the Rams. The Rani beat

2:16

the Eagles, who ended your season last year. We'll

2:18

we'll talk some Vikings football. Great Costal

2:20

will join us, so too, will Cliff April

2:23

with Cliff April's thoughts on all that

2:25

is going on inside and outside the

2:27

Seattle Seahawks locker room.

2:30

So, um, look,

2:33

there's I don't believe

2:35

that everybody should always go

2:38

for it, right, Like I

2:40

think we all watch poker and

2:43

say, like, well, you know, the more

2:45

you go all in, you

2:47

know, the anytime you're close you

2:49

go all in. Guys are gonna think you have good

2:51

cards if you don't show your tell. But

2:55

everyone knows in terms of poker, like you

2:57

gotta go all in when you have really

2:59

really really good cards, really

3:01

good cards. And then every once

3:03

in a while, you know, if

3:06

you're conservative, you're smart,

3:08

you're savvy. Every once in a while you're bluff.

3:10

You can't live on a bluff. You

3:12

can't just keep throwing money at a problem.

3:16

Um,

3:18

there have been teams that you

3:20

could be critical of making moves

3:22

because like, what are you doing?

3:25

Like I I understood the Diamondbacks a couple

3:27

of years ago in baseball had best hitting team in baseball?

3:29

And then like, do I like over

3:31

spending on Zach Grinky? No,

3:34

But considering you had no pitching, spend

3:37

as much money in your pitching as you possibly can.

3:41

Now it didn't work out for a year, and then this year,

3:43

of course didn't make the playoffs, but two years ago they did.

3:45

Last year they did so at

3:47

certain times in which you go all in and

3:49

it feels like the Yankees are pretty

3:51

damn close, right, Like

3:55

there's some issues that they have and

3:59

they finally figured out how to get there.

4:01

Yankees only seventh in salaries. Now.

4:03

Part of it is that Aaron Judge

4:06

is living on a rookie deal which he only made

4:08

six grand and change. That

4:10

balanced out by the fact that

4:13

Gihn Carlo Stanton is making ridiculous

4:15

sem of money that's only going to spike up. But

4:18

you look around baseball and it's really

4:20

hard to do what I'm going to tell

4:22

you they need to do, and

4:24

that's they need to go l

4:27

a rams, whether

4:29

it's taking bad contracts or

4:32

just taking chances short

4:35

term deals, load up and throw

4:37

as much money at the problem as possible.

4:41

Now we can, a smart man would

4:43

sit there and go, hey, dude, they scored one

4:45

run in Game three, and

4:47

though they scored three in Game

4:50

four, it wasn't like they were smacking

4:52

the ball around against the Red Sox. Be

4:55

fair, but this

4:57

does feel like a a Red Sox,

5:00

even with their pitching and their bullpen being

5:02

faulty, they've gone all in.

5:05

It's the time for the Yankees. The problem

5:07

with the Yankees, by my estimation, you

5:10

can point to one thing. Last night was

5:12

a lost for analytics. It just

5:14

was I love

5:16

Aaron Boone. I think Aaron Boone,

5:19

in his heart, in his gut, knows

5:22

that some of the moves and some of the timing of

5:24

the moves in baseball that they make aren't

5:27

the wisest of moves. But

5:30

he has committed himself. He has

5:32

sacrificed his own

5:34

knowledge for that of of analytics.

5:38

And you go back to Game three and his

5:40

decisions with with the pitching staff,

5:43

and man, uh, he's under some heat.

5:46

Whereas you know, Joey Cora went with

5:48

Chris Sale and

5:50

he went through a one to three eight in

5:52

a rare relief appearance. Heck,

5:55

as much as Kimberull struggled, you know, it was

5:57

like, man, you should have left Chris Sale out there. It

6:00

felt like the moves that Aaron

6:03

Boone made didn't

6:05

wreak of a young manager. Aaron

6:08

Boone didn't make mistakes and game make a mistake

6:10

in Game three or earlier in the in the series

6:13

because of youth. He made

6:15

it because he's handcuffed by the Yankees

6:18

assumption that

6:21

analytics are gonna tell you're gonna give you

6:23

all the answers, right,

6:26

That's really what it comes to. Kind of comes down to throwing

6:30

Sorvino out there too long and

6:33

not and and waiting too long when

6:36

you know you have a problem when things are going bad.

6:40

And we could you could complain about Angel Hernandez

6:42

even last night with c C. Sabathia, But

6:44

c C. You you go up to the meat of a

6:47

lineup that goes righty, righty, righty, righty, rudy,

6:49

and he's getting Now he's eating no swings

6:52

and misses, but he's not locating at

6:54

all. Like I

6:57

honestly will tell you that Aaron Boone, in

6:59

his gut probably wanted to go out there

7:01

ten minutes sooner was Servino in ten minutes

7:04

sooner was CC. But

7:06

he's handcuffed by the fact that he got that job

7:09

swearing he would he

7:11

would fall in line and he would bow to the world

7:13

of of analytics. And

7:16

it doesn't matter what sport it is.

7:18

We saw this in basketball the

7:21

Houston Rockets missed what was it, twenty

7:23

seven threes in a row last year? Was

7:25

that what it was in game seven? And

7:30

analytics would tell you about to make the next

7:32

five. That's not the way sports

7:34

work. Another

7:36

way sports work. One of my favorite

7:39

expressions, you know, Sports Center used to it's

7:41

hard to tell kids characters days.

7:43

We all used to watch Sports Center at the end of the night, right

7:46

we did it was That was one of the things that was really

7:48

cool about working at ESPN. When you were on

7:50

Sports Centers, you felt like whatever the ratings

7:52

were, every human being that

7:54

mattered, that mattered was

7:57

watching because

7:59

that was your that

8:02

was your that

8:04

was the mecca. And

8:06

Kenny Mayne used to have this line when he's on

8:08

sports are you still on? Sometimes now? He said, sports

8:10

don't happened inside of a They

8:14

don't happen in a vacuum. Right, Sports

8:17

happened inside of a television set, and

8:20

sports sports don't happen on paper. They happen

8:22

inside of a television set. And that's that's

8:24

really the case with analytics from the

8:26

Yankees last night to the Rockets in the playoffs.

8:31

Statistically, analytically,

8:33

it should have gone a different way. The

8:36

Rockets should have made three point shots, but

8:38

they didn't. Why Because that's sports,

8:41

that's momentum.

8:44

What what can't be explained by a

8:46

computer by really smart

8:48

people that do the math, that tell you,

8:50

look, dude, if you do this, if you operate

8:53

this process enough times, you will

8:55

have more points than the other team. You

8:57

know, time and again. It works out in computer,

9:02

but it can't really equate for pressure.

9:05

It can't equate for the feeling of when

9:07

you missed tenorrow. Even though mentally

9:10

you should think, hey, statistically say

9:12

speaking, I'm gonna make you

9:14

know five of the next ten, because that's

9:16

what the stats tell you. That's not the way that human

9:19

mentality, the human mind works. The

9:24

same thing could be said for the Red Sox, honestly,

9:26

right, like Craig

9:29

Kimberrell should have had that. But

9:31

when you can't acqua, there's there. There's no

9:33

stat that can account or equate

9:36

for the feeling of being on the bump at

9:38

Yankee Stadium

9:41

trying to close out the Yankees. So

9:46

look, I would like if I'm a Yankee fan,

9:48

and I'm not, but I'm a realist

9:50

and I look in you know, you got

9:53

Patrick Corbin, Dallas, Kaiko Clayton

9:55

Kershaw, Charlie Morton, the possibility

9:58

of David Price, although I don't think he's opting out

10:00

of a deal that's gonna pay him a hundred twenties seven million,

10:04

Lance Lynn, Derek Holland,

10:06

Clay buck Holz, Nathan Nvaldi,

10:08

Geo Gonzalez, even

10:12

Fat, Matt Harvey, Garrett Richards,

10:14

Brett Anderson, bar tolocal

10:16

Al forty six year old bar Tolo cologne,

10:19

you name it. Pictures

10:22

are available. Adam out of Ano,

10:24

that's the he was really good

10:26

into the playoffs this year. Craig

10:30

Kimberl's available, who just closed

10:32

you out from starting pitching to relief

10:35

pitching. There are plenty of guys the Yankees

10:37

can throw money at, But the issue

10:39

with the Yankees is if

10:42

you bow down to the altar of

10:44

analytics and you stop making

10:46

decisions based upon feel. Hunt

10:49

It doesn't mean a hundred percent based upon feel,

10:55

but if there's a continuum, I would

10:57

always side with feel as opposed to analytics.

11:01

The decisions that were made were

11:03

made based upon what a computer told

11:05

them should happen, and

11:08

computers don't decide sports. People

11:10

do. And if

11:12

you don't believe that, you didn't watch

11:14

last night. You

11:17

didn't watch last night because

11:21

again by the numbers, John Carlos

11:23

Stanton shouldn't swing and miss thirteen

11:26

out of fourteen strikes on the night. But

11:28

he did be sure to catch

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live editions of The Doug got Leap Show weekdays

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11:42

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11:49

much and he joins us weekly here in the Doug

11:51

gott Leap Show. Greg Let's let's

11:53

let's start with the Dallas Cowboys. A lot of

11:55

people have been critical of Jason Garrett's decision

11:57

to not go for it on fourth and one from

12:00

Houston's forty three yard line. Like

12:03

I, I said, I would probably go for it.

12:05

On the other hand, here's the guy's former

12:07

quarterback been doing a long time. Saw his defensive

12:10

line just getting pummeled by

12:12

the Houston Texans, and he knows

12:14

that if they don't get it, Texans are a

12:16

first down or two away from kicking up taking up

12:18

the game. You've seen the tape.

12:21

What do you think about that Cowboys offense

12:23

and decision? Well, it's funny you mentioned

12:25

that play does because that's micro stuff,

12:28

So maybe that gets you another win. The

12:30

macro is what is their offense

12:32

going to be going forward? Because getting

12:35

another win is not necessarily

12:37

going to make them a great team.

12:39

So you I heard

12:41

you're talking before I just joined you about

12:43

the fact that they don't have a lot of talent,

12:45

particularly at the wide receiver position. Fair

12:48

statement. So what do you do when you don't

12:50

have talent at the wide receiver position. You've

12:53

got to help them with schemes, with tactics,

12:56

with concepts. So what the Cowboys

12:58

end up doing is the run a lot of

13:00

what we call individual isolation

13:03

routes where they have their receivers spread out

13:05

and they're asking them to win one on

13:07

one versus man coverage.

13:10

They don't have those kinds of receivers,

13:12

so now you have to help them. You have

13:14

to do things like stacks, like bunch

13:16

concepts, levels high

13:19

low concepts against zone. You

13:21

have to do these kinds of things to help

13:23

your receivers, and particularly a

13:25

quarterback in Dak Prescott who needs

13:27

it to find he's not a turn

13:30

it loose, anticipatory passer

13:32

he needs it to find. So

13:35

maybe it's from my background spending

13:37

a lot of time with Bill Walsh, but I'm

13:39

a big believer in coaching, and I think

13:42

that you need to do these things

13:44

to help your pass game. Tender

13:47

agree with you, Um, is this a Lenehan

13:50

problem? Is that Jason Garrett problem?

13:53

Is it? Is it a quarterback problem? That

13:55

you have a guy who

13:57

who who is who? Is not really comfortable

13:59

in trying to out scheme people. Uh,

14:03

you know, from people I've talked to over the years,

14:05

I think they would tell you that that Scott

14:07

Linehan's offense is I

14:09

don't want to use the word basic because that makes

14:11

it seem as if he he doesn't spend a lot

14:13

of time and work through things. He's been doing this a long

14:16

time. But coaches tend

14:18

to coach what they know. A very

14:20

good friend of mine, who has been coaching in the NFL for well

14:22

over thirty years, told me that years ago. I'm

14:25

sure I'm sure you would agree with that. And in

14:27

any sport, coaches coach what they know. And

14:31

you know, this is what I think coach

14:33

Linahan has done for years and

14:35

this is the way he coaches offense.

14:38

And again, I'm not gonna

14:40

sit here and say he's doing it wrong because he

14:42

certainly knows his players and it is with his

14:44

team more than I am. But I would just

14:46

like to see when I turn on the tape, I

14:49

would like to see more schematic,

14:51

tactical concepts that can

14:53

help both his receivers and his quarterback.

14:57

Great coach South NFL Films joining us in the Doug

14:59

Galtis Show on sports Radio.

15:01

We just talked to Daniel Hunter from the Minnesota

15:03

Vikings. They go in, they beat the Philadelphia

15:05

Eagles. What do you see on tape from the Eagles

15:08

in that what's missing in comparison to last

15:10

year? Well, I think there are another team

15:12

where you have to look past the micro

15:15

and and say, oh, well, if a g I he doesn't fumble inside

15:17

the tight red zone, they could win. Sure,

15:20

that's true, But I think when

15:22

you look at the larger picture, the Eagles are having

15:24

some some issues that we didn't

15:26

expect them to have. Last year, their offensive

15:28

line was clearly a strength of their team.

15:31

This year, their offensive line in past protection

15:33

in particular, has been an ongoing

15:36

week to week issue and it's it's

15:38

caused problems in one on one past protection

15:41

when you look at Lane Johnson getting beat on

15:44

on the sack fumble, and then they've

15:46

had a lot of issues versus stunts

15:49

and blitz schemes. So a

15:51

strength a year ago this year has been a bit

15:53

of a problem. Um. I think that

15:56

their secondary, which last year was

15:58

compensated for UH a good

16:00

part of the time by their pass rush.

16:02

I think their secondary has a time struggle

16:04

this year. And while their pass rush has not

16:07

been poor by any means, they just haven't

16:09

gotten home with the consistency

16:11

that they did a year ago. So I

16:13

think when you look at the larger issues, those

16:15

things need to be fixed for them

16:17

to start winning games. Um.

16:21

The Jacksonville Jaguars had us all convinced

16:24

that they had fixed Blake Burrows until

16:26

he watched Blake Bortles play in Kansas City,

16:29

Which is the real Blake Bortles, the one we saw

16:31

for the first couple of years, and we saw Sunday or

16:33

the one who had been performing admirably the

16:36

past year and a half or so both,

16:38

And I think that's the problem for a coaching staff.

16:41

Doug, what is the worst thing for a coaching

16:43

staff not knowing what you're going

16:45

to get from the quarterback position

16:47

on a weekly basis, because

16:50

if you know what you're going to get, even if it's

16:52

not great, at least you can game

16:54

plan and scheme. If you don't know

16:56

what you're going to get, it's very difficult to

16:58

do that. So he showed that he's capable

17:01

of both. You just don't know which one

17:03

you're going to get on a weekly basis,

17:05

and that makes it very, very difficult

17:07

in terms of putting together a game plan against

17:10

specific defenses. Great

17:12

because South NFL films joining us in the Doug

17:14

Otlip Show here on Fox Sports

17:17

Radio. Um I look

17:19

at um, I look at

17:21

the Cleveland Browns, and they figured

17:23

out a way to win with the talent

17:26

they have really good on talented on defense, Denz

17:28

Award for a rookie has may

17:30

He's tied for the lead with interceptions.

17:33

I think he's got eight deflections already. And

17:35

then they're really really good upfront, which allows their

17:37

defensive backs to take more chances. Offensively,

17:40

they had the best turnover margin in the

17:42

league and they run the football better than anybody

17:44

else. Um So are

17:46

we giving Baker Mayfield too much credit,

17:49

because the truth is they're winning by

17:51

shortening the game, not turning it over and turning

17:53

it onto their defense. I

17:56

think that they have a quarterback though, who now

17:58

you can line up and play with and you feel

18:00

pretty good about it. I mean, Mayfield has played

18:03

well. I would say that

18:05

when all said and done, he's a quarterback that has

18:08

really quick feet, quick guys, a quick delivery.

18:10

He sees the field with clarity. He's

18:12

really a good balance between being kind

18:14

of twitchy but being very composed. Uh.

18:18

I think they actually have They don't have a great

18:20

receiving corps, but I think they've got

18:22

enough talent with the run game. And I

18:24

think they're old line has. You know, good quarterbacks

18:27

make old lines better, as do good running

18:29

backs, by the way, So I

18:31

would expect them to continue to improve. I

18:33

would expect Mayfield to continue to improve,

18:36

and I think they'll be They'll be a tough

18:38

out. I'm not suggesting they'll be in the playoffs,

18:40

but they'll be a tough out. I think it's a great

18:42

way of putting it. The Cincinnati Bengals are

18:45

four and one on the season. If I was walking through

18:47

the bows, there a stock

18:49

and you're my adviser, would you allow me to

18:52

buy stock in the Cincinnati Bengals. Well, let

18:54

me just give you an example from this past week. And I think

18:56

this speaks to something that's not talked about

18:58

often. We now just automatically

19:01

say it's a passing league, it's a spread out

19:03

league. You just have to make great plays in the passing game,

19:06

and that has merit obviously. But

19:08

I thought they did something last week that really speaks

19:10

to their team, their

19:13

belief and and something positive going

19:15

forward. Joe Mixon in the first half had

19:17

ten rushes for nineteen yards. Now

19:19

they were losing. He ended up with I

19:21

think twenty three for so

19:24

they stuck with the run game. How

19:26

many teams would do that when when

19:28

they had ten for nineteen with their lead

19:30

back in the first half. And I think that

19:32

that's important because while

19:35

we're not suggesting the run game is the key

19:37

to playing offensive football in the league, the

19:39

run game is part of offense and you need

19:41

to be able to run the ball and not randomly.

19:44

The run game is about consistency,

19:46

and it's about doing it over and over, not

19:49

running it every once in a while and hoping

19:52

that someone gains fifteen yards. So

19:54

I know a lot of coaches have the attitude Doug that

19:56

hey, I'm not going to spend a lot of time trying to gain five

19:59

yards me. That's the wrong approach.

20:01

No, it's all body shots, right. So the boxing

20:03

analogy is it's it's body shots you gotta

20:05

or in basketball it's like you gotta make layups. Everybody

20:08

worries about threes. You gotta make layups in order to get

20:10

people to commit to driving, and then you kick out

20:12

for threes. The same in you can't run

20:14

our p o s. If people don't think you're gonna actually run

20:16

the football, they don't work nearly nearly.

20:18

And it's also a function of opening

20:20

up your playbook. The playbook is far more open

20:23

on second and five than it is on second and

20:25

ten. Great

20:27

Costal joining us in the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox

20:29

Sports Radio. We we have the

20:31

Cancie Chaves taken on the New England Patriots.

20:33

That's a good one, you think, Yeah, it's it's

20:36

pretty special. Um, are

20:38

the Patriots fixed now that they've gotten

20:40

Edelman back and they figured out

20:42

how to use Josh Gordon, Well,

20:44

they're better, And I think what even makes them better?

20:47

It's funny you asked me that playing off Cincinnati, because

20:49

what do they have done in the last two weeks, which you don't

20:51

see that often with is

20:53

that Michelle with brushes two weeks ago

20:55

in Michelle with eighteen rushes at this past week

20:58

now knowing Bill Belichick, he could

21:00

have six rushes this week. But that's not the point.

21:02

The point is they seem to be committed to a run

21:04

game, and Michelle is that

21:06

kind of runner because he's a roadmap, point

21:09

of attack runner, so he gets sustaining

21:11

type runs. And I think there's no

21:13

better quarterback and football and Brady in

21:16

completing six yard passes. So if

21:18

it's second and four, Brady

21:21

is in a great position. You know, it's funny,

21:23

Uh Kwan Barkley

21:25

just jumped into my head when we talked about Michelle.

21:28

Barkley last week had two

21:30

rushes for fifty yards. Great

21:32

runs, a thirty yard and a twenty yard or you

21:34

know how many yards the other his other

21:36

thirteen rushes gained manus

21:39

two. You can't.

21:41

It's very hard to play offense like that. You

21:44

know, you need your back if you're going

21:46

to give the ball to a backways, Yeah,

21:49

those two yard runs means something, Doug, You know

21:51

that. Yeah, Greg

21:53

Costal joining us on the Doug Gatlin Show

21:56

here on Fox Sports Radio.

21:58

What about the Kansas City Chiefs. Obviously,

22:00

defensively they've shown they can play the past couple

22:02

of weeks, but offensively it hasn't

22:04

been as spectacular Pat Mahomes,

22:07

what have people started to figure out? Well,

22:10

I don't know if it's what they've figured out.

22:12

I think two weeks ago Denver did a really nice

22:14

job in the first half with some concepts

22:16

where they matched a lot of the shorter routes and

22:18

they blurred the looks in the secondary, and

22:21

teams will start doing these things just to give him Homes

22:23

different looks. He's still a young quarterback who's

22:26

learning how to play. We know what the talent level

22:28

is, um, so he'll go

22:30

through some ups and downs. He's not going to throw five

22:32

touchdowns every week. The Patriots

22:34

will do quite a bit of that. Uh,

22:37

the Patriots will play man. They do play

22:39

man, and then you get some matchups that

22:42

ideally the Chiefs will look at those

22:44

matchups and feel good about but then

22:46

you still have to convert. But I think that

22:48

they'll they'll do a good job with match concepts

22:51

and in what are initially his own looks,

22:53

because what you want to do is you want to take away

22:56

clarity from a homes. You don't want him dropping

22:58

back and feeling, hey, there's my throw, or

23:00

you want to beat him and make him think there's

23:02

my throw but it's not really there. So

23:05

that's what teams will start to do it. It's it's all

23:07

about blurring the looks for a quarter

23:09

a young quarterback. Great co who

23:11

gives us clarity as we get blurred

23:13

looks. When we watched on our TV said great, great

23:16

stuff. Love having you on. Appreciate you being

23:18

our guest on Fox Sports Radio. Thanks

23:20

to I appreciate it. That's great co Sell

23:22

from NFL Films. Be sure to catch live editions

23:25

so the Doug Dot Leap Show weekdays at noon

23:27

Eastern three pm Pacific. Before

23:29

we overreact to Jimmy Butler and the third

23:31

team beating the first team as has been reported,

23:34

Um, this does happen in basketball a

23:36

lot. Okay, So what

23:39

happens oftentimes after a

23:41

loss is a starter or

23:44

a bad game and your technical foul,

23:46

you're moved to the the second team.

23:49

You change your jerseys and when you say second

23:51

team that's often not guys.

23:54

That's often guys nine

23:56

through fifteen through the rest of the roster. The

23:58

third team, if you will. That's

24:00

because the starters also have kind of some subs.

24:03

The rotation is the first team. That depends

24:05

on teams. My first

24:07

year at Notre Dame, the first

24:10

team was blue and the second team

24:12

was like we had old gold was the other side of our uniforms.

24:15

And so I'll never forget that. Uh

24:18

we used to. I made up a song because

24:21

my freshman year we had like four freshmen we

24:23

were all on the Gold team almost

24:25

the entire preseason. We

24:27

we set the tune to on the Road

24:29

Again, only was on the Gold again. Life

24:32

I love is playing defense with my friends. I can't wait

24:34

to get on the Gold again. Right, you're always on defense.

24:36

But what happens in regular

24:38

season play, at least in college

24:41

and high school summers. They the coach in order

24:43

to motivate you and really to tick you off, put

24:45

you and to bank a point, put you on second

24:48

team. He turn your jersey over. And

24:50

oftentimes those guys haven't been playing right.

24:52

They're not playing in games, they're not playing that much

24:54

in practice, just playing defense and

24:58

they do win scrimmages more than you

25:00

think. But the idea

25:02

that you would if you're Jimmy Butler, the thought

25:04

that he's doing himself some good

25:08

and it's a little bit different in the NBA,

25:13

but the thought that you're doing to yourself some good

25:15

bye by handling your business

25:17

this way. It

25:20

might have been lighthearted trash talk. We don't

25:22

know how it gets relayed, but I don't feel like

25:24

it would get out like this unless it

25:26

was less than light How did less

25:29

than lighthearted trash talk? I just

25:31

really do. But I just

25:33

I don't think you are going

25:35

to send your your You're going to be

25:38

sent to a stable organization like

25:40

Spurs don't want any of this. I

25:44

don't think the Lakers don't want to this, the Clippers

25:46

maybe maybe,

25:52

I just I don't really get the philosophy.

25:55

You're going to be traded. It's going

25:57

to happen. You can be

25:59

this please. You can even talk a little bit of

26:01

trash,

26:04

but going Sherman and burning everything

26:07

to the ground. My

26:10

look, you're gonna get your wish. You're gonna be traded, and it's

26:12

gonna hurt your value for wherever you go. But

26:16

now you're Minnesota and you're thinking f him

26:19

and we're just getting rid of him. Send him

26:21

to Sacramento. I don't care.

26:25

I'm gonna do him zero favors. Why would

26:28

you do Jimmy Butler a favor if this is the way you're gonna

26:30

behave So I just I don't. I don't think it's

26:32

a smart philosophy. Well,

26:38

this is why guys when they have when

26:40

when you say, well, maybe we'll try and work it

26:42

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27:06

what does the Fox say?

27:08

Um? Earlier today,

27:11

we heard this on

27:13

Fox Sports Television. No

27:16

one's ever lost their job over a holdout.

27:18

Now you've got your Hall of Fame quarterback. He

27:21

didn't want a couple of to both. He's saying that

27:24

my playing time might because not Mike Tomlin,

27:27

not the general manager. Like if all these guys

27:29

said something, it would really make sense.

27:32

But it's my quarterback, and he's

27:34

saying he getting ready cut my time,

27:37

Like who gave him the authority? I'm

27:39

gonna go to the principal's office and

27:41

advocate for the other guy, because

27:44

there's because the play the game ain't gonna be sixty

27:46

five minutes, so you can, Ben can try

27:48

to spend it as no, no, no no, I'm just promoting James

27:50

Conner. There's only so many places we run, There's

27:53

only so many touches for a running back, and

27:55

so he is saying, I Am going to advocate

27:57

for someone other than you. Look,

28:00

I don't think Ben

28:02

Roethlisberger is kind of a different sort of

28:04

cat, right, He's not one of these guys that's

28:06

that's beloved at times, even in

28:08

his own locker room. That was Chris Carter and

28:11

Nick Wright talking about Ben Roethlisberger advocating

28:14

for James Conner over Levy

28:16

on bell Um. So,

28:19

like, look, Ben is Ben is

28:21

one of these guys that says kind of weird

28:24

stuff. And I think he's a little

28:26

bit late to the party. But

28:28

being late to the party, at least he was invited to

28:30

the party. And by that, I mean he's

28:32

reacting to the offensive line. He's

28:35

reacting to the stability

28:37

of Connor. And I think he's also

28:39

telling us what the general sense is. You

28:43

know, Ben almost feels like a

28:45

guy who waits to find

28:47

out who everybody else is voting

28:49

for, and then

28:51

he in fact vote,

28:53

said that's who I voted for, Like

28:56

he didn't want to vote for somebody just because that's what he

28:58

believes in. He wants to vote for somebody because as

29:00

he wants to vote for the guy who or a woman who

29:02

won, right, That's I feel like that's

29:04

his mentality. But

29:06

he's also telling you, are telling us as the

29:08

public, what's going to happen. I've

29:11

just I've never seen any of this. I've

29:14

been doing this for sixteen years now and

29:17

this and I've watched and studied

29:19

football and basketball, and I've never

29:21

seen a team when you have a

29:24

contract dispute between player and team.

29:26

Players are always always,

29:28

always behind the scenes, sometimes

29:31

a little bit different, but in from the cameras

29:33

and microphones, they're always

29:35

at least neutral, most of the

29:37

time supportive of players.

29:41

And that hasn't been the case here. And

29:44

I think this has kind of been going. Oh all

29:46

my offensive linemen have moved on from

29:49

Levy on Bell, I'm gonna move on as

29:51

well. And look, there's some of this

29:53

is self preservation. Some of this is it

29:55

makes him look better. You

29:58

know that that not just with his offensive

30:00

lineman, but the thought that Ben Roethlisberg

30:03

would need Lady on bottom, need anybody

30:05

else, I'm Ben Roethlisberger. What

30:07

a volatile mix in Antonio Brown.

30:10

We heard the story Yesterday's facing a lawsuit

30:12

for going crazy because he had some stuff stole

30:14

in the off season. He got that with

30:16

Antonio Brown. Um,

30:18

the defense hasn't been good much of the year.

30:21

You got the Levy on Bell thing, you

30:23

got Ben Roethlisberger and some of his comments

30:25

ruling the year, and now these comments

30:27

about James Conner. What

30:30

a weird, weird situation

30:32

for the Steelers who are coming off of a

30:34

huge win. I

30:37

think, Look, I don't think Ben Roethlisberger is nearly

30:39

as good as his reputation will tell you. And

30:41

some of this takes us away from actually watching

30:43

how he plays football. He had as

30:45

bad interception as anybody's

30:47

had all year, but

30:50

they came off a win and we're still talking about

30:52

Levy on Bell And that's where Big Ben, even

30:54

though he feels like Hey, I'm getting

30:56

in on a conversation that everybody in the locker room is

30:58

gonna agree with me, and I'll be kind of one of the guys.

31:01

The timing seems really odd and really

31:03

off. Be

31:06

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31:08

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31:11

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31:13

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31:15

Dan, you want to do this interview Danny for people

31:17

don't know Danny is a huge,

31:20

huge Seahawks fan. Yes,

31:22

I well, I I will say this with Cliff Avril

31:25

on the line. I do believe that

31:27

when we talk about Legion of Boom, no

31:30

one I should say no one, but the defensive

31:32

line doesn't get as much credit

31:35

for how great and dominant they were.

31:37

And if you just look in the results, whether

31:39

it would be when he and Michael Bennett

31:41

came aboard, or even the season before when

31:43

Chris Clemens was there and ended up tearing

31:46

his a c L and blowing out his knee and then

31:48

they lost to the Atlanta Falcons,

31:50

the defensive line is really what made

31:52

the Legion of Boom. The Legion of Boom. Welcome.

31:55

Let's let's welcome in Cliff Cliff Avril,

31:57

who you can change j

32:01

um. Yeah, I mean listen, Uh,

32:03

Richard Sherman gets all the credits. So those defensive

32:06

backs. The truth is, it was all the guys up front, right,

32:09

It always started with the guys up front. But no,

32:12

those guys are heck of ball players as well, and

32:15

and they know deep down inside that you know, we played

32:17

a big role in their success in vice versa as

32:19

well. You know, they would always give us a lot

32:21

of love after interceptions and different

32:23

things like that. So so we we understand

32:26

the correlation between the two. Um,

32:28

your career was ended too uh too

32:30

soon because of a neck injury. What's

32:33

what's what's that like when the doctor says like,

32:35

hey, dude, you can't play football

32:38

anymore? What is that? What is

32:40

that like? For some money as competitive

32:42

as you. Yeah,

32:45

it's it's a weird situation for me, especially

32:47

because, um, you know, I didn't

32:49

think my injury was that serious when it happened.

32:52

I was ready to go back in the game, you know, I'm I'm

32:54

The doctor was like, look, man, like it's

32:56

just a stinger. I'm good. I've had it before. Uh,

33:00

I felt like I've had this before. I

33:02

can go back out here and play. You know, thank

33:04

God to the doctor. He was like, no, you need to go to the hospital.

33:07

And that night is when I kind of realized things

33:09

might actually be over with um.

33:11

It was. It was a difficult process, but you

33:13

know, at the same time, I was fortunate enough to play ten

33:16

years in the NFL. I beat

33:18

the odds by three. I mean, I think the average is only

33:20

three three years and can change. Won

33:22

a Super Bowl. I lost every game. I've won a Super

33:25

Bowl, been to the Pro Bowl. What else can

33:27

you ask for? You know? It was a it was a great

33:29

run. Nonetheless, Cliff

33:31

Averyonel joining us in the Doug Otlives Show on Fox

33:33

Sports Radio, I would

33:36

point to last year's Rams

33:38

game as the the unofficial

33:40

end of the Legion of Boom. Right that the

33:43

they come on, they're they're up forty nothing

33:46

that after that was after the Jacksonville game. What

33:48

in reality you being a part of

33:50

that franchise? When did it really

33:53

end? Oh wow?

33:55

When did the Legion of Boom really is? Uh?

33:57

I mean last year obviously was was

34:00

the big key of points to it. I mean, so many

34:02

injuries too. Now you gotta you gotta realize myself,

34:05

Uh, we lose camp Chancellor, sir. Uh

34:08

so, so it was guys that were banged up

34:10

that have played a lot of football over a five

34:12

year period. So overall,

34:15

Um, you know, I would say probably that Arizona

34:17

game was what really you know, put the exclamation

34:19

point to it. Cliff Ariel joining

34:21

us in the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports

34:24

Radio. Uh, there's still you

34:26

know, a lot of questions about about

34:28

the Seahawks. I mean, I think what's

34:30

amazing is they draft for Shard Penny. He

34:33

hasn't done anything, but the running game hasn't

34:35

been a problem because Chris Carson went healthy is

34:37

really really good. Um, what

34:41

how did this happen that Carson? And look, I'm I'm

34:43

an Oklahoma State alum, so I know the talent that Carson

34:45

had. He had trouble. Uh, he had trouble

34:47

staying healthy when he was in college. That shouldn't

34:50

be a surprise. But what's your reaction

34:52

to somebody who knows this franchise to the miss

34:55

pick on Penny, but to hit on Carson.

34:58

Well, I mean Carson and Mike Davis.

35:00

Now, let's let's not leave him out because he's had he's

35:02

had you know, a hundred yard game, uh

35:05

the week before and and I think there's just a good

35:07

one to punch. Um. You know, the

35:09

Seahawks have been trying to find a running back ever

35:11

since Marshawns left, at least a consisted

35:14

running games since marshawn Is left. And

35:16

and as of right now, you know, over the last

35:18

three weeks, they've been consistently been able to run

35:20

the ball and stacking up you know, a couple of hundred

35:23

yards a hundred, a hundred fifty yards of game, which

35:25

is impressive, and that's what they need. As

35:27

far as for Penny, I really just think, you

35:29

know, it's a it's a learning curve for him.

35:32

Um. You know, he got hurt earlier preseason,

35:34

so he's kind of behind the eight ball at the moment.

35:36

And these other two guys, they've had experience,

35:39

they've played in some big time games.

35:41

So allowing him to

35:43

to kind of learn from those guys, I think it's key

35:45

for him right now. One of the question, one of the things

35:47

I've always wanted is it felt

35:49

like, um, look the front

35:51

office and and Pete to a certain

35:53

extent. Now, Pete had the benefit when he first

35:55

got there, having coached and recruited

35:58

so many guys that he had a great fee when

36:00

they drafted. But look, they've done a really good

36:02

job in town evaluation. Just look

36:04

at the legion of boom and how many guys were high draft

36:07

picks to begin with. Right, So as

36:09

much as that was that was created, like the same

36:11

group can create it again. It

36:14

feels like they have some young talented

36:16

players that because there

36:18

have been so many departures of so many great

36:20

players from that more than half decade

36:22

of dominance, we don't realize that Seattle's

36:25

kind of got a nice little group

36:27

of younger players. Am I over selling

36:29

what they actually have on defense right now? No?

36:32

No, no, you're not at all. I truly believe

36:35

that they do. I mean, like you just said right

36:37

there, when they got richest shermon, they got camp Schanslor.

36:39

Both of these guys were fifth six round draft picks.

36:42

You know when they got Doug Ball and he was undrafted.

36:44

You know, Russell Wilson third round, So they

36:47

can pick them. It's just all about just

36:49

trying to find the right ones in timing and

36:51

all that good stuff. They have a great group

36:53

of young players that are trying to

36:56

figure it all out and they have some leaders

36:58

still there. That's the big difference between when

37:00

they first started and now is they

37:02

still they have a back in place, uh,

37:04

with Russell Wilson obviously, and then they have one

37:06

of the best linebackers and Bobby Wagoner

37:08

that can actually lead these guys. And they have played

37:10

in some of these big time games. So I think

37:13

they're in the right path. I think they have They're on

37:15

the right path. Um, they just have to continue

37:17

to keep chopping away, and then I think they're surprised

37:20

that they'll shock a lot of people as well. What do

37:22

you think of the Rams? Are widely considered the best

37:24

your second best team in football? Should be pointed out

37:26

that both Cooper cup and Brandon

37:28

Cooks both went out last last game with concussions.

37:31

Are both in the protocol. Um. How

37:33

impressed were you with the Rams

37:35

when you saw him on Sunday? I

37:37

was at the game, man, you know, I'm I

37:40

was very impressed. They have an all around good

37:42

team. Um. But I will say as well,

37:44

you know, I think the Seahawks kind of showed

37:46

that they they have some issues that they need

37:48

to clear up if they want to take it all the way. Uh,

37:51

you know, with the running game and and just being

37:53

just being able to play better in the run game obviously,

37:56

But overall as a team though they're

37:58

solid. They have a solid quarterback in golf,

38:00

they have a solid running back. And I think that's the key

38:02

player right there is the h

38:04

is Todd Gurley. Everything is played

38:06

off of him. If they established the run early, it

38:09

opens up so much for Golf,

38:11

for Jared Golf, and and they show it

38:13

um but you know it's they're gonna be a team

38:15

to beat for sure in the NFC

38:18

West. Yeah, it feels like though that you

38:20

gotta make you gotta pressure Golf, you gotta make

38:22

Golf eat it. But then you gotta pressure Camblem. Just sit

38:24

back there, Vikings, let him sit back there.

38:27

Charges with him, sit back there. Whereas

38:29

the Seahawks got after him a little bit and

38:31

and uh, and he showed some of his flaws

38:33

that fair most definitely.

38:36

And and the thing with Jared Golf is, you know,

38:38

if you make a movie his feet in the pocket,

38:40

his percentage drops down tremendously. I think it goes

38:42

down to or something like that. So

38:45

if guys can get after him and make

38:47

him move his feet now to his old lines,

38:49

credit as well. You know, they're pretty solid

38:51

team together. And if

38:53

guys can get after him consistently in the passing

38:56

game, you know you'll see You'll

38:58

see his passes UH gradually decrease

39:00

and in his attempts decrease as well. Cliff

39:03

April joining us in the doug Otlip Show. You can check him out

39:05

on KJR. He's on daily Cliff Um.

39:08

The Seahawks went in and played the Bears a

39:10

couple of weeks ago. I'm doing a Bears game, doing

39:12

sideline for Bears game. There's a lot of talk about the

39:14

dynamic pass rush that they have led

39:16

by Khalil Mack, but they have a they

39:19

got an athletic, young and active

39:21

defense. Um, how come

39:23

how good are the Bears in reality? In your mind

39:26

that their solid team? I mean the quarterbacks

39:28

playing solid uh. And then you acquire

39:31

probably one of the best D lineman in the

39:33

league with Khalil mackin and

39:35

obviously you see what he brings. He doesn't just bring sacks.

39:37

He's bringing turnovers, he's getting intersepts

39:40

since he's scoring. He's doing everything

39:42

that most D lineman wants to be able to do,

39:44

or at least half of the stuff he's doing. If other

39:46

d lineman can do that, they'd be very productive.

39:49

So overall, you know they have a young,

39:51

solid team. Uh, they have a

39:53

great leader in khalil Um. You

39:55

know that their old line actually is is

39:57

playing well with long playing and playing

40:00

uh some good ball up there and leading the way.

40:02

Uh, they have a solid team. They didn't have to keep chopping away.

40:04

It looks like detroits On there is kind

40:07

of leading the way for that for that division. But

40:10

you know they can make some things happen for sure. Yeah,

40:12

it's gonna be fascinating to see. Um. Last

40:15

thing we started by talking about the

40:17

kind of the end of your run which was stopped

40:20

and even though you beat the odds because the neck

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injury. What's your sense of Pete? Some

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people think, Pete, you'll walk away at the end

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of this year, some people thank you, he wants

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to They will rebuild on the fly. What's

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your sense of Pete Carroll and how long he's

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invested in staying in Seattle. Well,

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first and foremost, honestly, Coach Carroll is probably

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one of the best coaches that I've had from the

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standpoint of Jeff. The

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way he coached he's a player's coach, and and

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you know that it goes both ways. You

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know, him being a player's coach can obviously

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be the reason why you know where we're

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we're the demise of the LV quote unquote

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or whatever. But probably one of the best coaches

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I've ever had, and and and just a great

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person. As far as for this upcoming season,

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I think it just it just boils down to how this Suson

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plays out. Right. Uh, if

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they go out and they do better than what most

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people were saying at the beginning of season, which I truly

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believe they will. I think they'll be above five

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hundred for sure. Um, if they go out

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and do that, I see him coming back and trying

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to ride that wave and trying to take

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this team to try to win a championship. But

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I believe it depends on how this season

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ends up. Cliff Avril check

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him out on KJR fifty in Seattle.

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Cliff, thanks so much for joining us to continue success

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in your post football career. We appreciate

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being our guest on Fox Sport Tradeo. No,

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thank you for having me. I appreciate it. Pleasure

41:36

is completely ours.