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in on a Thursday. Getting a step for Week

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seven of the National Football League. A huge

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debut in the Purple and Gold

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tonight in PORTLANDA. But we

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start off with controversy,

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Bucky controversy in Major

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League Baseball. Red Sox up

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three one on the Houston Astros, and they aren't

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happy in Texas today. No, they

0:49

aren't happy, and they shouldn't be happy because

0:52

they had a rule they kind

0:54

of went against him. And I can't imagine

0:57

I can't imagine being Astros fans today and

0:59

trying to figure out how my team, my

1:01

favorite team, lost a game that

1:03

seemed like it was trending their way.

1:05

The Houston Astros last night, in

1:07

the bottom of the first inning, had a runner on base

1:09

when jose L two came to the plate down

1:12

to nothing. I would love to play the

1:14

highlight for you, but here's the fact

1:16

of the matter. The whole situation took

1:18

five minutes to sort out, like it

1:20

was a long five minutes. L two Bays

1:22

home run goes into the stands.

1:25

Mookie Bets of the Boston Red Sox jumps

1:27

up from his right field position, puts

1:29

his glove up into the stand. The ball

1:32

is ricochet's off of his glove. After

1:34

fans closed, Mookie bets

1:37

his glove in short umpire

1:39

Joe West calls interference, calling

1:42

jose L two out. But the rule

1:44

in Major League Baseball states that

1:46

if the ball has crossed

1:49

the yellow line and is into the stands, then

1:51

there was no interference. Interference

1:54

can only happen if a fan reaches

1:56

over that yellow line or onto the field

1:58

of play. And that's not what happened

2:01

last night, Bucky. And the interpretation

2:04

of what the rule was, as you said, was

2:06

not delivered last night. You

2:09

may believe it. Many Astro's fans believe

2:12

it. Heck Astro's manager A. J. Hinch

2:14

believes they got the call wrong last night.

2:16

A J. What did you think of the call

2:19

on Jose l two bays. What do you think? I thought,

2:21

what did? What did I see? I saw

2:23

fan interference. I've had this a couple of times, or

2:25

we have as a team. And they deemed

2:28

the fan reached over into the field

2:30

of play and interfered with bets and

2:33

Jose pays the biggest price because the

2:35

trajectory of the ball looked like it was going to leave

2:37

the ballpark. But we assume, and

2:40

you can assume a lot with Mookie because he's an incredible

2:42

athlete. We assume he's going to make this spectacular

2:44

catch, jumping as high as he can into the

2:46

into the crowd. I asked for a review,

2:49

and obviously I'm gonna give it to us. They reviewed

2:51

it and came back with the same outcome. So once

2:54

the fan reaches in, you know, past that line

2:56

of the fence there, I mean, we're gonna penalize

2:58

hitters. And last night

3:00

the question was did the fan actually cross

3:03

that yellow line? Thanks to MLB Network

3:05

as well for the the A. J. Hinch sound

3:08

We've got there. But that's that's the

3:10

question, Bucky. And this is this is where I sit

3:12

on it, because it was so easy

3:14

last night to yell at Joe West for

3:16

making the call for Joe West

3:19

being Joe West has been umpiring

3:21

games in Major League Baseball for forty years. He was on the

3:23

field when Nolan Ryan threw his fifth no hitter.

3:25

Okay, that's the true story. He was. He

3:28

was one of the umpires in that game. But it's easy to pile

3:30

on. And the rule wasn't interpreted

3:33

last night the way that it should have been in the rule

3:35

book. But I'm fine with that. I actually

3:37

think Mookie Beats makes that play

3:40

and jose L Twoba is out.

3:42

The only thing that would have been affected is if

3:45

the runnerund first advances to second base.

3:47

I actually the rule was

3:49

was not interpreted last night, and I'm actually

3:51

fine with it today. I have no problems with it. No,

3:54

well, I really don't have problems with it because

3:56

it happened so early in the game that I don't

3:58

know how big were impact

4:00

it had on the outcome.

4:03

Yes, you can say you take to two runs off the

4:05

board, um made energy,

4:08

maybe the energy that was in the stadium. However,

4:10

there were so many other players that happened within

4:12

the course of the game that we really don't know. I

4:15

do understand the managers

4:17

concerned because it

4:19

didn't look like the fan was necessarily reaching

4:21

over the line, and all of that is subject

4:24

to interpretation, but I

4:26

think at some point, you want to keep

4:28

the fans away from

4:31

the game. You want to keep them out of the mix. You don't want

4:33

them to have an impact, particularly

4:35

in a championship series when everything

4:37

is tightly contested. You would like to

4:39

be able to remove the fans and their

4:42

interactions with the game and with the players

4:44

to prevent this kind of stuff from happening. I understand

4:46

that it didn't follow with the rule, but to your to

4:48

your point, think about this, the

4:52

baseball rules are stating that it's

4:54

okay for a fan to

4:56

close a player's glove to

4:59

allow them to not catch a fly ball,

5:01

Like that's what the rule isn't saying

5:03

that, but that's what it's saying. And

5:06

that's what's so amazing to me and

5:08

why the rule is so awful. Listen,

5:10

Joe West isn't awful. He maybe

5:13

for other reasons, but last night, he wasn't awful.

5:15

The call wasn't awful, the replay

5:18

wasn't awful. I'm sorry it wasn't. The

5:20

rule stinks, and Mookie

5:22

Betts was going to make that catch. He was

5:25

going to I'm sorry. It would have been a magnificent

5:27

catch and you can say, well it would have been difficult.

5:29

No, he was on his way to making the catch until the fan

5:31

closed his glove and then it Rickors Jet off of his

5:33

glove. By the way, another story, if

5:36

you have if there weren't fans there, Bucky, and

5:38

you reached over the fence and brought

5:40

it back and threw it in, it's still

5:42

a live ball, like like the ball

5:44

needs to go over the fence and land. So this actually

5:46

Ricky Jay is off his hand or his glove

5:48

and another fan's hand and that makes an

5:51

interference. But it fell back into the field to play.

5:53

It's not like it fell into the stands. The point

5:55

is is the rule is so bad that I just I can't

5:58

overlook that portion of it. I'm glad

6:01

they didn't follow the rules last night. I'm glad

6:03

that they held up the replay because to me, it's

6:05

idiotic to have fans have any sort

6:07

of play in it. And to your point, moving

6:10

back five feet, you're the Houston Astros. You're playing

6:12

that ballpark any one times a year. You're the

6:14

one who's likely to get screwed by it the most, And

6:16

they were last night. They were screwed by the rule.

6:18

And you're right, moving back, moving back away

6:20

from the field to play. And I understand where the time

6:22

where everyone wants to have more

6:24

access, it's all about fans having more access,

6:27

bringing him closer to the game, letting

6:30

get a sense of what players are able to experience

6:32

and feel when they're on the field of play. However,

6:35

we've seen time and time again when

6:37

you bring them closer, things occur.

6:40

We we've seen this happen a

6:42

couple of different times when we talk about fans in

6:44

interaction and fan interference. But in

6:47

a game that might have been the biggest game of the Houston

6:49

Astros season, we saw a fan

6:52

impact the outcome of the game because

6:54

they were a little over zealous in reaching for

6:56

a home and and and I don't when you're

6:58

sitting in those seats in the bleachers, it's

7:00

difficult to turn away. In Duck, if you have a

7:02

ball coming at you, you're going for it, right,

7:05

you see four guys standing there

7:07

trying to catch the ball. The one guy closes

7:09

his eyes. I

7:12

probably would turn away and Duck. I don't want

7:14

to break my hand trying to catch a fly ball.

7:16

But that's the reaction, is to try to catch

7:18

the ball. So I don't even I don't even blame

7:21

them. I I don't blame I think that we would

7:23

all have that sort of reaction. We even saw

7:25

a couple of nights ago on a follow a ball in

7:27

the Brewers Dodger series where Christian Yellows

7:30

went to try to make a sliding catch

7:32

and it was just one fan who reached over.

7:34

There was no fan interference called at that time,

7:36

but all of a sudden, you've got an arm that's leaning over

7:39

and foul territory while running at

7:41

a wall. It can be somewhat distracting. I

7:43

just look at it like this, it's it's a

7:45

bad, bad rule. Don't be mad at

7:47

that at the umpires last night forgetting it right,

7:50

because that's how it should have been. It

7:52

it infuriates me to sit there and say,

7:54

well, they didn't follow the rule when it's a bad

7:57

rule. I look at it in the NBA, and we were talking

7:59

before the show. If a guy goes to the basket

8:01

and is driving to the basket and just gets

8:04

hammered on the arm and the ball flies out of bounds

8:06

and they don't know who it was off of. I

8:08

am totally fine with saying we missed

8:11

the call, we missed, we missed the foul. We're just

8:13

gonna give it to the team when you double down

8:15

and say, not only did we miss the call, but because

8:17

we missed the foul that went off of you, other

8:20

teams possession. Two wrongs

8:22

don't make a right, and I think that last night Joe

8:24

West, well, he didn't have the best angle, and while replay

8:26

couldn't overturn it, which replays a whole another

8:28

aspect and all of this, I just think it's

8:30

an awful rule for Major League Baseball to have,

8:33

and the Boston Red Sox for everybody

8:35

who's saying, yes, the baseball failed

8:37

by not getting the rule right, good because

8:39

this would have been for the good of baseball. I just there's

8:42

so many instances, Bucky, where we shouldn't

8:44

follow what the rules are because

8:46

they're so ridiculous. And I think it I think it was

8:48

a good move last night of Major League Baseball. Well

8:50

yeah, I mean I think it was a good move because you have to have these

8:52

kind of things happened to make people have

8:54

these hardline discussions, and so maybe

8:57

out of all of this, we have a discussion and maybe

9:00

to what your suggestion was, maybe they

9:02

will move the flans back a little

9:04

bit five ft just so they're not able

9:06

to impact the game, particularly on the line,

9:08

and something that is a high stakes invent. Put

9:10

a royal flowers there. Put put something

9:12

there to at least yeah,

9:15

I just I love gardening. I love gardens,

9:18

but uh,

9:23

those weeds that they've got girling, Yeah, it

9:25

would give some greenery. I think it would spice

9:27

it up. He remember, Houston is also the team that

9:29

had the little hill in center

9:31

field with the flag pole there. They

9:33

took it out. It was gimmicky,

9:36

but you do have fans sitting there, and they're not the only part

9:38

to have fans right over the field.

9:40

But these

9:42

things come with it, and if your team is going to be disadvantaged

9:46

more because of it, maybe maybe

9:48

they're that close because they're like, heck, if we just put

9:50

it in there, they'll call that, they won't be able

9:52

to call interference and then will benefit by it.

9:54

Major League Baseball got the rule right last night,

9:56

and even though the rule was wrong, they

9:59

got right. Highlan Joel west

10:01

All you want. They made the right move.

10:04

Mookie Bats catches that ball and it

10:06

should have been an out. Sorry, Houston. That's

10:08

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Edward or r f A. Edward or joins us here

10:26

on the Doug gott Leap Show. Hey, ed how you doing today?

10:29

Um? Well, how are you guys? We are we are doing

10:31

well. If you had to give John Elway an overall

10:33

grade as president of the quarterback

10:35

Yeah no, that would

10:37

be way too easy. That would be way too easy.

10:40

We're gonna we're gonna crank it up a notch. As

10:42

the president of the Denver Broncos. What kind

10:44

of grade do you give John Elway?

10:46

I'm gonna give him a B because

10:49

he went to a Super Bowl, Uh,

10:52

won a Super Bowl as a

10:55

director of football operations for the team he put

10:57

together. Uh the year that he went

10:59

out and got a new defensive starter

11:02

at you know, defense on the defensive line

11:04

and linebacker, uh and in the secondary

11:07

and won a Super Bowl with Peyton Manning,

11:09

even though Peyton was sort of at the end of his career

11:11

and wasn't a dominant player anymore. So

11:14

I'm gonna give him that grade even

11:16

though his recent drafts have not been very good

11:19

and he still hasn't figured out the quarterback situation,

11:21

you know, And is that the biggest surprise that

11:24

Elway, a great quarterback Hall of Fame

11:26

quarterback, hasn't been able to find a

11:28

quarterback franchise quarterback

11:30

for the Denver Broncos. Yeah,

11:33

it's it's kind of surprising in

11:35

in that you know, he should know what one looks

11:37

like because he was one. But sometimes those guys,

11:40

it seems like, who are so tremendously gifted

11:42

um and play a certain way, don't have

11:45

the eye for a quarterback who might

11:48

have a different build, in a different set of

11:50

uh, you know, a different skill set than than

11:52

they did. Um. But yeah, I mean

11:54

Elway, I have no qualms at alt

11:56

hard Elway works and the priority he would

11:58

put on the quarterback position. And you know, he

12:00

even brought Gary Kopiak back in uh

12:03

this year after he had retired as

12:05

a coach. For health reasons, brought him back in in

12:08

a personnel role so that he could help them

12:10

evaluate the quarterback position. And then they

12:13

obviously went and signed a veteran um

12:15

who had played for Kubiak before

12:18

in case Keenum, who has not delivered

12:20

like they expected. You know, he only had seven

12:23

interceptions all of last year. They admired

12:25

his uh, you know, fall security already has

12:27

eight picks, one in every game this year. So

12:30

he's been a disappointment. And so it still appears

12:32

that they don't have the quarterback position right with

12:35

I think the possible exception. I don't know how

12:37

much you saw Chad Kelly during

12:39

training camp in preseason, but

12:42

I thought he was awfully impressive. Jim

12:44

Kelly's nephew, has a great arm, uh,

12:46

seemed to have a great command, wasn't intimidated

12:49

in the situations he got into games. And if

12:51

they don't turn this around pretty soon, I wouldn't be surprised

12:54

if Chad Kelly at some point starts getting UH

12:56

some some game opportunities. Edward

12:58

are joining us here on five Sports Radio. He's

13:01

Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan Buyer in for Doug Gottlieb

13:03

today on the Doug Gottlieb show about

13:05

Chad Kelly and maybe this is a bigger picture

13:07

and not specifically about him, but he

13:09

had to come in at the end of the first half because Case

13:12

Keenum kind of got his bell rung and took

13:14

a knee, and the and and the fans

13:16

gave him a standing ovation because he was coming out

13:18

on the field. Now, now that that's

13:21

a that's a much bigger story that we're

13:23

talking about, not and and I guess that maybe goes

13:25

to Vance Joseph. How much in trouble

13:28

is Vance Joseph in Denver? If

13:30

fans are cheering the backup quarterback,

13:32

is that a case Keenum thing? Is that Advanced Joseph

13:34

thinget? I think that

13:37

Vance Joseph is in as much trouble as any

13:39

head coach could be in a year and a

13:41

half into his tenure. Um

13:43

for this reason, they've lost Pour in a row. Elway

13:46

was so dissatisfied with what happened last

13:48

year that he privately considered

13:50

making a coaching change even then and was

13:53

forbidden to do so by Joe

13:56

Ellis. I don't know if it was because Joe

13:58

didn't think it was fair to advanced Joseph he

14:00

didn't want to pay two head coaches, or he didn't

14:02

like whoever was Elway was going to

14:05

use as a replacement. But Elway

14:07

said earlier this year, uh

14:09

in a in a media interview that

14:12

you know he wishes Gary Kubiak was still the head coach,

14:14

which is not something you say or even think

14:17

if you're satisfied with what you're getting from

14:19

your current head coach. I mean, Vance Joseph's team

14:21

is one and nine on the road. Uh,

14:24

in the time that he's been the head coach, only the

14:26

Browns have a worse road record in that time.

14:28

And I think the biggest indictment of him is what's happened

14:31

to their defense the last two weeks

14:33

had given up over two yards rushing two

14:35

inter yards rushing in back to back games, the first time

14:37

in NFL history that that's happened, and

14:39

the second game was one in which he actually took

14:42

over more of the play calling responsibility for

14:44

Joe Woods. So, uh, if

14:46

if they can't go on the road and win this

14:48

game against one of the worst offensive teams in

14:50

football, starting a rookie quarterback, that

14:53

I wouldn't be surprised if Vance Joseph was the first head

14:55

coach in the NFL fire. You know, Um,

14:58

when you think about what John Elway has been afforded,

15:00

He's been afforded the opportunity to go through a number

15:02

of quarterbacks. Um, if you fire

15:05

as vanished Joseph, this would be the fourth a coach

15:07

that he potents that he could hire. How

15:09

long before we started looking at Elway

15:12

for what has gone on in

15:15

Denver? And when do the fans in Denver

15:17

began to question his ability

15:19

to get the job done even though the Super Bowl is

15:21

still not too far in the distant review.

15:23

Men, Yeah, I don't you know. He

15:25

has He has so much you

15:27

know, football credibility built up

15:29

for what he did as a player and the success

15:32

he did have, uh, you know, rebuilding

15:34

the Broncos and getting them back to the Super Bowl twice

15:37

and winning one of the games. So uh,

15:39

it's hard for me to imagine. And I lived

15:41

there, um for a very long

15:43

time. I covered the Broncos on

15:45

a daily basis, and it's just hard for me to imagine

15:47

the fans ever deciding

15:49

that Elway was the problem and that Elway had

15:51

to go. I think they'll always blame his coach, and he'll

15:53

always blame his quarterback. Edward

15:56

are joining us here on Fox Sports. Right, let's

15:58

take a look around the rest of the NFL outside

16:00

of tonight's Thursday night game. This

16:03

may be story time, but it's Redskins

16:05

Cowboys week, okay, And this

16:07

this used to be the rivalry. I

16:09

I don't I don't think that it's there

16:11

anymore. But are there any great Redskins

16:14

Cowboys stories from the past, ed of if

16:16

you've had of covering covering that team and covering

16:18

that rivalry. Well,

16:21

I mean there used to be, like you

16:23

said, it used to be the game of the year every

16:27

every you know, twice a year in the in the division. But

16:30

given the movement of players and

16:32

the absence of you know, personalities

16:34

like you know, George Allen and uh

16:37

Tom Landry and uh,

16:39

you know they're they're the famous story about dirand

16:41

Talbert throwing the funeral reef in the

16:43

Cowboys locker room

16:45

after after they beat Dallas, So that

16:48

that kind of thing just doesn't really happen anymore. There's

16:50

not sort of a natural hate anymore. The best

16:52

we've done recently, uh is

16:54

you know Jack Norman and and Dev Bryant

16:57

talking bad about each other, uh

16:59

in the eat up to games, and then the victor

17:02

proclaiming himself that in the locker room afterwards,

17:04

and even then they wound up doing a TV commercial together.

17:07

So uh no, it's it's not the

17:09

same. Uh. That being said,

17:11

it has a very it's a a practical

17:13

importance at the very least, And

17:16

that the Redskins lead the division by a half game

17:18

over over the Cowboys and Eagles at

17:20

this point, and the Cowboys are a team that's still

17:22

trying to, you know, get his first road win of the year,

17:24

which I guess makes them one of ten teams that are

17:27

in that predicament. So this

17:29

is a big game for them just because they haven't been able to win

17:31

back to back games. They haven't been able to win on the road. Um.

17:34

And and the Redskins seem like a team

17:36

that they should be capable of handling

17:38

if they're as good as they think they are. Do you think that's

17:40

something that's missing in the NFL? Not that it would

17:42

come back. I know Bengal Steelers don't

17:44

like each other, and I think we saw that

17:47

last week, But is that missing at

17:49

all in the NFL? That rivalry aspect

17:51

of I hates a strong

17:53

word, but of of strong dislike

17:56

if you will, Yeah, yeah, I think so.

17:58

I mean, how many how many val reason

18:00

you're the one you cited is really the only one that

18:02

comes to mind right off the bat. I guess a

18:05

few years ago when when the forty

18:07

Niners and and Seahawks were both good,

18:09

you know, and going to the Super Bowl out of that division, Uh,

18:12

there was some rivalry between you know, at least

18:14

Crabtree and Richard Sherman that that seemed

18:16

to engulf the entire teams.

18:18

But yeah, I mean the Bears,

18:21

Packers, Bears, Vikings. Does does

18:23

any of that really get anybody all that excited

18:25

anymore? Um, I think we're more

18:28

fascinated by now the uh

18:30

intramural dynamics and rivalries

18:32

that seemed to have it to help between within

18:34

teams. I mean, I think

18:37

it's funny. But I can't let you go without talking

18:39

about the Dallas Cowboys. A lot

18:41

of the people that were catching heat in Dallas have

18:43

been Dak Prescott once, Scott Lenahan

18:46

too. But last week against the Jacksonville

18:48

Jaguars, they appeared to find a formula

18:51

that could lead to success. It was all

18:53

execue, Elliott, Cole Beasley

18:55

and Dak Prescott touching the ball as

18:57

many times as possible. Do you think

18:59

the Cowboys have found a winning recipe on offense?

19:03

Well, I kind of did the same thing against the Giants,

19:05

with the exception that Cole Beasley was far more

19:07

involved this past week against Jacksonville.

19:10

Uh. Just talking to one of the coaches after

19:12

that game. UH. The thing that they said

19:15

they recognize now is that they have to have

19:17

enough shots down the field built into

19:19

the passing game, UH to prevent

19:21

the defense from shrinking the field on them.

19:24

UM. And and they do feel like, despite the

19:26

criticism that Dak Prescott has taken as a pastor,

19:28

that if they protect him, and they did against

19:31

Jacksonville, then he generally

19:33

produces well with his arms and his

19:35

mobility. And that you know, they think Cole

19:37

Beasley is a tough matchup for a lot of a

19:39

lot of defenses and probably one of the few matchup

19:42

players that they have that they can use to advantage.

19:45

UH. And that the rookie Michael Gallup, if they can get

19:47

him involved in a big player too early on, it seems

19:49

to create an enthusiasm

19:51

and UM a sense

19:53

of aggression that they have at times lacked,

19:56

and I think one of the reasons for the big

19:58

disparity between the way this off sense performs

20:00

on the road and how it performs at home, which

20:03

is they scored almost twenty nine points a game at

20:05

home an average three and sixty

20:07

three yards, and at at

20:10

on the road they average twelve point three points in two hundred

20:12

and seventy five yards. I think that Jason

20:15

Garrett by nature is a

20:17

very conservative guy, and

20:20

he clings to the fact that when

20:22

Dak Prescott does not throw an interception, the

20:24

Cowboys are twenty and one, and

20:26

so he goes into games believing

20:29

that the primary goal has to

20:31

be protecting the football at all costs,

20:34

and I think they tend to get too conservative in

20:36

those situations. It's also worth

20:38

noting that the front office didn't do a great

20:40

job in filling the wide

20:42

receiver and tight end positions for

20:45

the passing game after you know, the retirement

20:47

of Jason Witten and the release of Dez Bryant.

20:49

That was a failure of the front office. But

20:52

yeah, I think I think they they

20:55

did create the right offensive game plan and

20:57

the play calling was was very good and it was

20:59

all centered around Dak Prescott. He ran eleven

21:01

times career high ran

21:03

for eighty four yards, the most

21:05

by a Cowboys quarterback since Roger Stauback

21:08

in UH, and I think

21:10

they have to be willing to risk the quarterback

21:12

like that now. The fact that

21:15

they're not convinced that this is the right way to win,

21:17

to me, is reflectating in the fact that they don't

21:19

have a backup quarterback who plays anything like Dak

21:21

Prescott. Dak Prescott is

21:24

not the kind of quarterback that Jason Garrett and

21:26

the Cowboys have ever had before. You know, He's

21:28

kind of a modern option

21:30

type player who throws best

21:32

on the move, not really a pocket guy, and that's

21:34

the way Garrett's won. Garrett wants to play offense

21:36

like the Cowboys did in their Super Bowl dynasty years

21:39

of the early nineties. And yet they have this

21:41

quarterback who's more of the revolution

21:43

of quarterbacks that we've seen, a guy who can

21:45

run UH and throw and his best

21:47

when he's able to do both. Would they have any

21:49

interest in a Marii Cooper if Cooper

21:52

is available, I think

21:54

for the right price, they would have to have because

21:56

he would be the

21:58

number one receiver on the team by a

22:01

large margin. Um. And if you look

22:03

at one of the things, um, the

22:05

Cowboys have failed to do was, like I mentioned,

22:07

they didn't replace Dez Bryant when they

22:09

decided to release him because

22:11

he his performance didn't justify his contract

22:13

anymore. Uh. And then they didn't have the next

22:15

guy in place when Jason Wenton retired after

22:18

fifteen years. Um. So if

22:20

if you believe that Dak Prescott is a franchise

22:22

quarterback, like Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones

22:25

continue to insist, then you have to

22:27

do with the Rams did for Jared Goff,

22:29

and you have to do what the Bears did for Mitch Robiski

22:31

and what the Eagles have done for Carson Wentz. And

22:33

you have to go all in and get the quarterback

22:36

the kind of weapons necessary to sustain his

22:38

success. And so yeah, I think Marty

22:40

Cooper would be a great fit uh in

22:42

the Cowboys system. Uh if he were

22:44

available at a reasonable price from the Raiders,

22:46

which to me is a two or three. Uh.

22:49

You know, he's gonna cost you a fourteen million dollars under

22:51

his contract next year, and the Cowboys were paying

22:54

approximately that to Dez Bryant before and

22:56

they they shouldn't have big cap issues after this season,

22:58

but um yeah, I've he's a player who would

23:00

have to appeal to them at the right price. And

23:03

I think one of the underrated stories coming out of Dallas

23:05

has been the uh, I

23:07

guess the solid player of their defense and a new

23:10

defense. Well, he's not defensive coordinator. He's the passing

23:12

game coordinator. But for all the tents

23:14

of purses, he's kind of a decordinator. Chris

23:16

for Shard, can you talking about his impact

23:19

on the defense? Yeah,

23:21

you know, he came in he was fired by

23:23

by Pete Carroll as a defensive coordinator

23:25

up there, and as we know, the previous two defensive coordinators

23:28

had both gone on to become head coaches, Gus

23:30

Bradley and Dan quinn Um and

23:33

Christopher Shardon did not obviously have that opportunity,

23:36

and he came here to to kind of run

23:38

the passing game, uh and coach

23:40

the secondary, which was the role that Matt

23:42

eber Flews had before he left here to

23:45

go to Indianapolis as a defensive coordinator

23:47

after last offseason. And you know, Richard

23:49

has been uh so impressive

23:51

that Rod Marinelli has effectively allowed

23:54

him to begin calling the defenses

23:57

not just on third down, but on a more regular basis.

23:59

And so I think that's why you see more

24:01

Amanda man in the secondary um

24:05

UH, more aggression at the

24:07

line of scrimmaged by the cornerbacks for blitzing

24:10

UH in general. UH. The thing they haven't

24:12

really done until the last two games has created a

24:14

lot of turnovers. They have at two in each of the last

24:16

two games over the last team in the NFL to get an

24:18

interception. UM. But that's

24:21

sort of the direction it seems like Chris Rochard

24:23

wants to take this defense. UH.

24:25

And he's been really impressive in that regard. And

24:27

for all the people who would criticize Dallas for

24:30

not drafting a wide receiver in the first

24:32

round when they could have had Calvin Ridley or anybody

24:34

else, because no receiver had been drafted,

24:36

they took Layton Vanderesh,

24:39

who has played well as a rookie, leads

24:41

the team in tackles, which has never happened in

24:43

Dallas that uh, and he probably won't finish

24:45

the season that way, is because shan Lee has

24:48

been out and should return soon. But Vanderest

24:50

has earned playing time even when Sean Lee's healthy.

24:53

Uh, and they've got a good three man rotation there at

24:55

a position that you know, they really couldn't win at

24:57

anymore if they didn't have Sean Lee. So

24:59

I think the defense is really the strength

25:01

of this team. And it wasn't a surprise to me going

25:03

into the season that for maybe the

25:05

first time in twenty years, Dallas was in a position

25:07

where they were going to have to be able to win games

25:09

on defense because their offense was going to be a

25:11

work in progress. Edward or a long time NFL

25:14

in cider. Check out the Doomsday Podcast and

25:16

find him on Twitter at edward or r f

25:18

A. We appreciate it. Ed in Joy week seven. Thanks.

25:21

Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug

25:23

dot Leap Show weekdays at noon Eastern

25:25

three pm Pacific. Joining us now

25:27

to talk about not only what happened in the

25:29

NLCS, but what happened last night

25:31

in Houston. Fox Sports and MLB Network

25:34

Baseball in Center. John Morrossi joins us here

25:36

on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, John, get to talk to you again.

25:38

How you doing. I'm doing great. Uh. Please

25:40

please excuse the noise of kids

25:43

toys in the background. It's kind of part of the commotion

25:45

around here. But but all's well, my friends. How bough for you

25:47

guys, things are things are great here, and

25:49

and hey for hungry hippos or whatever

25:51

they want to play, we're all for it. We are

25:54

we are all four. I want I want to obviously, we're

25:56

gonna start with with last night's play

25:58

and the review uh in Houston

26:00

on the Mookie Batt's attempted catch

26:03

and the out now by jose L

26:05

Tove that wasn't a home run. My

26:07

here's here's my thought. I don't the

26:10

rule wasn't applied last night, But

26:12

John, I think that was a good thing. I

26:15

think it's an awful rule. Do you think it's a good

26:17

rule or a bad rule? In Major League Baseball? The way

26:19

that it's worded, Uh, I

26:21

would like a little more precise wording on this.

26:24

And here's how I I think

26:26

that, and in practice it's probably

26:28

actually been done this way a lot of the time. That that you've

26:30

got the top of the fence, I'll

26:33

back up a little bit. There's there are two axis here that

26:35

we're talking about. There's the up and down and

26:37

then the top of the fence. Right the top

26:39

of the fence moving laterally parallel to the ground

26:41

and then parallel to the fence. To me, if

26:45

if the activity is happening above

26:48

the top of the fence, that that, to

26:50

me is is the purview of the fans. And

26:52

and and to expect fans to

26:55

not add the very human instinct to

26:57

grab for the baseball is

26:59

I think it's unrealistic.

27:01

And and ballparks nowadays had

27:03

the fans closer to the action than ever before.

27:06

And to expect they're going to basically

27:09

sit there on their hands and not and back

27:11

away is I just think

27:13

not realistic and frankly not really all

27:15

that fair and everybody involved there so I for

27:18

me, I'd like to see it be a clearer

27:20

distinction of if horizontally

27:23

it is above where the wall isn't and

27:25

certainly within reason, you're not gonna deliberately

27:28

trying to take the ball out of the outfielder's

27:30

hand or or or interfere with them in in a

27:32

revery in a really negative way. I think that what

27:34

all all that happened last night was very accidental,

27:37

and in my judgment, I

27:40

think that there should have been a little more legally given to the fans

27:42

in that case. And and and this is what Bucky

27:44

and I talked about and I argued this earlier,

27:46

is that I just I don't see it in any

27:48

other sport where a fan can have so much

27:51

effect on a play, let alone any

27:53

effect on a play. And that's that's

27:55

my problem with it. I just think I think the

27:57

real stinks. I I think

28:00

move the fans back five ft, do something

28:02

different. I just think Molkie

28:04

Betts was going to make that catch. Spectacular

28:07

catch was going to be. He was going to

28:09

make that catch. And I just don't get why

28:12

fans are so mad just because

28:14

the rule wasn't applied, because yeah, Houston

28:16

may have gotten screwed last night, but Boston

28:18

was going to get screwed by having a fan touch someone's

28:21

glove. That's why I hate the rule. I just think it's

28:23

it's awful. Well, it's a fair

28:25

question to point out all the different

28:29

issues at play here, and here we have it

28:31

in a high profile game at a

28:33

tense time of year, a

28:35

seminal moment, if you will, in the series, and and

28:37

this rule is is helping to decide

28:39

it. I think that moving the fans

28:42

back, You've got a structure

28:44

of the stadiums for so long now where

28:47

where the movement for twenty

28:49

plus years has been intricate

28:51

designs, uniqueness

28:53

um and having and having the fans

28:55

as close as they can be to back

28:57

those fans up with involve a lot of money in renovations

29:00

in many cases, and also a lot of lost

29:03

money and tickets because those are tickets that people

29:05

want. So it's I'm

29:07

always hesitant to change

29:09

too much about the structure

29:12

of things as a result of one play, or even

29:14

just one one poorly written

29:17

rule. I suppose I'll say

29:19

that I think it's it's a difficult ask

29:22

um of of the umpires to have

29:24

them make that call when even if if

29:26

Joe West is perfectly positioned, he

29:28

is many many feet away and

29:31

behind the looking at

29:33

the play against the plane

29:35

of what actually he needs to look at to make

29:37

that judgment. You're asking him to make a three D judgment

29:40

in like a two D position, And it's

29:42

almost it's it's a guest, is what it is. It's a guest

29:44

because you cannot really tell depth perception

29:46

wise, was his hand over the over

29:49

the imaginary yellow line or not. I mean, it's it's

29:51

literally impossible to tell. We had Slobo

29:53

replays on that and looking at it for a long

29:56

time. I personally think that Mookie

29:58

had reached into the crowd at that last

30:00

moment when when the when when all the contact

30:03

occurred, But I don't know that, and and that's

30:05

and of course, ironically enough,

30:08

it was an Astro's employee positioned

30:10

in an unideal way that

30:13

blocked the definitive camera angle. And

30:15

of course it was an Astro's employee stationed

30:17

where he was not supposed to be earlier

30:19

in the series. That became a big topic earlier

30:22

in the day. So everything, as you see, comes

30:24

full circle. One of the things that

30:27

I noticed in the Milwaukee Brewers

30:29

Ellie Dodgers series, correct council had

30:31

a little gainsmanship. He started

30:33

Wade Molly but pulled him after five

30:35

pitches, tried to kind of induce

30:37

the Dodges and going more of a right handed

30:40

lineup. What do you think about the gamesmanship

30:42

the council displayed during that moment, Well,

30:44

Bucky, to me, a couple of I mean, number one,

30:46

there's no hard and fast rule. And

30:49

in baseball about at what point in time do you

30:51

need to let your opposition know what your

30:53

lineup is going to be until you actually

30:55

have the exchange of lineup cards at home

30:58

plate. So there is a bit of a discussion now

31:00

among the league officials about maybe changing

31:02

that system a little bit and finding

31:04

a way to UH may make more

31:06

of a standardized time in which you you declare

31:08

your starting picture. That being said, Bucky,

31:11

there's no rule that says you can't make a change

31:13

one batter into the game. And in fact, the Dodgers

31:16

had made UH their lineup. I believe,

31:18

in accordance with that general idea that

31:20

they were going to probably have a quick hook on

31:22

Wade Miley. So to me, the Brewers

31:24

are are operating at a disadvantage

31:27

here. They've got their payrolls

31:29

half of what the Dodgers is UH. And so

31:31

when you're in that situation, I've got no problem whatsoever

31:33

with having to manage things a little bit. Uniquely. The

31:36

groups have done that, and I think they're they're

31:38

managing this pitching staff in a way

31:40

that suggests they are they know they

31:42

are somewhat outman in this particular series.

31:45

John Morossi joining us here on Fox Sports Radio

31:47

on the Doug got Leap Show. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Dan

31:49

Buyer in for Doug. Did Milwaukee

31:51

miss their chance in the series. Uh

31:55

maybe I think that in in in general,

31:57

I think the Brewers they probably had

31:59

an a pretty good chance to really see his command

32:02

of this series, whether it was yesterday

32:04

or even in getting Game four. To

32:07

me, the more talented team here, dan

32:10

is is the Dodgers. I think that they've They've

32:12

shown that over a period of time. And

32:14

and I would say that the Brewers

32:16

missed the best opportunity, but they still

32:19

got a a shot. They're still going home, and

32:21

and they've got Wade Mindy, the guy that thought they was gonna start

32:23

Game five, starting Game six, So that I

32:25

think that all things consider, there probably feeling

32:27

pretty good about their chances going We'll

32:29

see that. I just I look at it like and you could

32:31

say Milwaukee maybe should have won three

32:34

out of the first four games or

32:36

four, whatever the case is. The Dodgers

32:38

weren't the Dodgers in those four. I mean,

32:40

atrocious at the plate and another bullpen

32:43

came through. That's where I just wonder, and I thought

32:45

last last night with the whole Miley stuff, the

32:47

Miley decision wasn't even a big part of it.

32:49

Um not walking Austin

32:51

Burns with Puig maybe

32:53

pinch inting for Clayton Kershawn Deck. There's a

32:55

lot with Milwaukee that I thought maybe maybe

32:58

yesterday just kind of caught up to them, and that maybe

33:00

the Dodgers finally caught up to them. Yeah, And

33:02

and I also think too, I mean, let's be clear

33:05

too that it's not as though the Dodgers

33:07

have aren't hit all that well in this series. They've been

33:09

okay, and I think it's been a matter of

33:11

just string it hit together at the right time for them.

33:14

Meanwhile, the Brewers, I think we're seeing

33:16

one of those classic cases Dan of you sweep

33:18

a series, you're feeling really good about yourself, and

33:20

then you sit for about four days, and

33:23

and Yellows hasn't been himself really

33:26

and even Kane hasn't met himself. That even goes

33:28

back to the first round. And so if you're

33:30

gonna look at those those two guys and say if

33:32

if, if you're the play

33:34

against the Dodgers, um And

33:36

and Yellows and Kane aren't really hitting, and you're

33:38

relying on Orlando Arcia for your offense,

33:41

it's gonna be a tough series, in my opinion, to win. If it's

33:43

their season, or if it's the playoffs

33:45

as well, Game six of the NLCS

33:48

tomorrow you'll see it on Fox Sports

33:50

one Brewers and Dodgers in Milwaukee. Of

33:52

course at game five tonight. Um, this Houston

33:54

bounce back just with tonight, you or

33:56

your child can answer, John, doesn't matter. Yeah,

33:59

but that's my ten months o. Lulu has got the first

34:01

round opinion. I would say Lulu

34:04

believes and I tend to concur that I

34:06

that Berliner finds a way to win this game. I've

34:08

seen it before with him, that this even

34:11

goes back the similar situation Actually, in goodness

34:14

seven years ago I feel old now, uh two

34:16

thousand eleven, the Tigers facing

34:18

a three one series deficit at home, Verla

34:20

with a masterpiece to force the game back, the force series

34:22

back to Texas for Game six. So I think a similar

34:25

situation that Verlander finds

34:27

a way to get it done against his former teammate Detroit David

34:29

Price. And then I think Lulu probably

34:31

thinks that the Boston finds a way to win there in six or yeah,

34:33

I think Lulu and I agree that it's not a bad thing

34:35

that Chris Sale isn't pitching tonight and should

34:38

be available in Boston. Thanks

34:42

John, do your thing.