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3:23

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3:25

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3:27

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3:29

together envy of none. I've known Alex

3:32

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3:34

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3:36

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3:40

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3:42

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3:45

both on together, talking about this new

3:47

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3:49

Waves, which is out now. And of

3:51

course, we get into some rush talk,

3:53

which you're not going to want to

3:56

miss. So we'll get to that interview

3:58

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5:31

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5:33

podcast, Alex Lifson and Andy Curran

5:35

enjoy. Very, very, very excited to

5:37

welcome back to the show. Two

5:39

gentlemen that I've not only known

5:41

for a very long time, but

5:43

also been a fan of their respective

5:45

work for a very long time, and

5:48

together they make up half of the

5:50

new band Envy of None. We

5:52

welcome back to the show. Alex Lifeson,

5:55

who was also in this band you

5:57

may have heard of called Rush at

5:59

one point. Alex, how are you buddy?

6:01

I'm good Eddie. How are you? Nice

6:04

to talk to you. You too, you

6:06

too. And also joining us is Base

6:08

Player Extraordinary and a guy that is

6:10

a founding member of a band that

6:12

I also love very much called Coney

6:15

Hatch. Andy Kerr and Andy, how are

6:17

you man? Eddie, I'm doing very well.

6:19

Good to hear your voice and yeah,

6:21

man. Nice to connect. It's been a

6:24

while since we've spoken. It has been,

6:26

it has been, it's good to catch

6:28

up. Al, I think the last time

6:30

you and I talked on the air

6:33

was not too long ago because you

6:35

were promoting the latest line of your

6:37

lurks gear. How's that all going for

6:39

you? Oh, it's good. It's going great

6:42

actually. Yeah, we've got a few things

6:44

out and a few things in the

6:46

works, so we're going to keep building

6:48

on it and try to provide other

6:50

great gear for buddy musicians. Did

6:53

do you is that something you're

6:56

very active in Alex? Do you

6:58

like are you like are you

7:00

like actually like working with the

7:02

people and Always developing stuff and

7:05

trying new sounds new effects new

7:07

equipment? Do the ideas come from

7:09

you or somebody else and you

7:11

kind of put your spin on

7:14

them? How does it work? Yeah,

7:16

I'm not soldering any cables I

7:18

do work with mototones who are

7:20

doing all the development and the

7:23

actual construction and manufacturing of all

7:25

the gear, of all the pedals

7:27

anyways. And they're just such a

7:29

fantastic company to work with. They

7:32

have great people working there, great

7:34

ideas. They're always on top of

7:36

things and looking forward for new

7:38

ideas. So we've had a great

7:40

relationship all alone. You

7:43

know speaking of envy of none

7:45

Andy for those that don't know

7:47

in addition to being a musician

7:49

yourself for many many years in

7:51

various capacities you worked with rush

7:53

on the road on the label

7:55

side the A&R side and all

7:57

of that You know bringing people

7:59

in to this new band, Envy

8:01

of None, when did the idea,

8:03

the seeds of the idea for

8:06

you and Alex to actually do

8:08

a band together? When did that

8:10

first kind of formulate? How long

8:12

ago? Well, and you're right Eddie,

8:14

like, you know, there was a

8:16

period where I stepped away from

8:18

performing live and recording and for

8:20

the better part of 12, 12

8:22

to 12 to 15 years, I

8:24

worked. you know, side by side

8:26

with Alex Getty, Neil, the management

8:29

company and Anthem Records is their

8:31

ANR guy. And I have to

8:33

tell you, you know, obviously Alex

8:35

and I are really good friends,

8:37

but primarily through that period, I

8:39

had my manager and ANR head

8:41

on. There was no discussion with

8:43

Alex and I about ever collaborating.

8:45

As a matter of fact, I

8:47

made sure I didn't cross the

8:49

line with any of our acts

8:51

to talk about my music during

8:54

that time, but We were on

8:56

a bit of a hiatus, I

8:58

guess, and the seeds of Alex

9:00

and I working together was when

9:02

he was recording with Mike Smith,

9:04

aka Bubbles, and he was working

9:06

on liquor and whores, the nice

9:08

little love song for the trailer

9:10

park boys. And I was in

9:12

the control room, and Alex said,

9:14

hey, any, go get your base.

9:16

And come on in and lay

9:19

down a baseline. And that was

9:21

the very first time that that

9:23

Al and I sort of collided

9:25

on a musical end of things

9:27

but you know we would we

9:29

would talk casually about what I

9:31

was up to it. He's say

9:33

I know you're writing music and

9:35

and that was when I basically

9:37

shared this a demo with him

9:39

and we started right I said

9:42

would you be up for adding

9:44

some guitars on this and it

9:46

was a new track that I

9:48

was working on with a different

9:50

female vocalist and. You know, Al

9:52

can tell you the good story

9:54

on that, so we laid some

9:56

stuff down really quickly. And I

9:58

ended up at my position at

10:00

Anthem Records being asked to judge.

10:02

an online music contest and part

10:04

of this drill was the finalist

10:07

get a mentoring call with someone

10:09

from the music industry. So that

10:11

was me. I was a music

10:13

industry mentor and lo and behold

10:15

the person that I was talking

10:17

to was Maya Wynne who is

10:19

our lead vocalist for for envy

10:21

of none. And I had worked

10:23

on a song and sent it

10:25

over to Alex and her voice

10:27

immediately resonated with him and he

10:29

said, oh my God, who is

10:32

this girl? And so, you know,

10:34

we started working on basically from

10:36

the seeds of these two songs

10:38

that she sang on a demo

10:40

and that's where it all started

10:42

Eddie. So what are you talking,

10:44

Andy? Is this like three, four

10:46

years ago? Or was this around

10:48

the time of R40? What's the

10:50

exact timeline date was? I mean,

10:52

well, definitely post our 40, right?

10:55

Al, it would have been after

10:57

that. And yeah, I'm trying to

10:59

think, well, it was even before

11:01

the first envy of None record

11:03

because, you know, we were just,

11:05

we were just thrown around some

11:07

demos and Al, and I was

11:09

just having fun, you know, working

11:11

on material and sending it back

11:13

and forth to each other's studios,

11:15

but this was definitely post our

11:17

40. I was just going to

11:20

add that, yeah, I think that

11:22

was around mid-2016 when you asked

11:24

me to put some guitars on

11:26

some of the stuff that you

11:28

were doing. And then we spent

11:30

some time doing that because once

11:32

you did find Maya and she

11:34

came on board, I used her

11:36

for a track with Marko Miniman

11:38

that we did together and she

11:40

did the vocals on that track.

11:42

A really progressive kind of eight-minute

11:45

track. And I want to say

11:47

that that was some time around

11:49

2017, maybe 2018. Yeah, so we're

11:51

in the loop for a while

11:53

with with my. So Alex. for

11:55

you, you know, was there always

11:57

this? desire for you to kind

11:59

of do something in this direction

12:01

musically because you know i was

12:03

thinking about it i mean you

12:05

and getty did very little outside

12:08

of rush in the decades you

12:10

guys were active with that band

12:12

uh... interestingly the victor record i

12:14

know you just reissued actually which

12:16

was one of the few things

12:18

you did do outside of rush

12:20

but did you always have this

12:22

kind of uh... you know rush

12:24

was a lot of diversity in

12:26

the rush catalog as any rush

12:28

fan knows you were certainly locked

12:30

into a certain sort of direction

12:33

sound progressive hard rock whatever this

12:35

this was this always kind of

12:37

like an itch you wanted to

12:39

scratch at some point going into

12:41

this kind of musical direction of

12:43

what envy of none is doing

12:45

i would say that i never

12:47

felt locked in like rush was

12:49

very progressive in moving forward we

12:51

we were always looking for another

12:53

place to go you know we

12:55

finished a record and that was

12:58

like okay that's done let's move

13:00

on now and that was you

13:02

know, the way we operated for

13:04

forever. I mean, I have lots

13:06

of interest in music. I love

13:08

playing guitar. I love playing on

13:10

other people's music. I've done a

13:12

lot of that over the years.

13:14

You know, some of it is

13:16

not very big projects. And that's,

13:18

I don't care, you know, I

13:21

just want to play. And if

13:23

I can help someone enhance their

13:25

music somehow, that's my purpose. And

13:27

that's my goal. That's what I

13:29

love doing. When this came along.

13:31

I wasn't really looking for anything.

13:33

This came along and I like

13:35

the material that Andy was working

13:37

on. It was fun. He was

13:39

a friend. It was a fun

13:41

thing to do. It was happy

13:43

to help out. But when Maya

13:46

came on board, and now we

13:48

had the potential of making a

13:50

record, that kind of changed things.

13:52

And then the influence of all

13:54

the four of us on each

13:56

other, really, that's what developed the

13:58

sound and our goals and everything.

14:00

we wanted to accomplish, which I

14:02

think on Stydian Ways, on the

14:04

second album, we really, we really

14:06

arrived at that point. I love

14:08

the first record. It's a very

14:11

trippy atmospheric ambient kind of record,

14:13

but this record, I love the

14:15

songs on it, I'm playing more

14:17

solos, which is a lot of

14:19

fun, provided that I feel there's

14:21

a need for them and there's

14:23

a place for them. And that's

14:25

what I felt with this record.

14:27

Just I absolutely... Love what we

14:29

did with this record. Very, very

14:31

satisfying for me. Yeah, and it's

14:34

out now by the way. People

14:36

listening, you can hear it now.

14:38

There's several videos which we're going

14:40

to talk about as well, which

14:42

you can see as well on

14:44

YouTube. But Alex, I'm also curious

14:46

for you from... from the standpoint

14:48

of like, okay, you know, you're

14:50

associated with this huge band, you're

14:52

coming out of more than 40

14:54

years dedicating to touring and arenas

14:56

and stadiums and putting out records

14:59

with this huge band and all

15:01

that you did to build Rush.

15:03

along with of course Neil and

15:05

Getty. And now at this point

15:07

in your life it's got to

15:09

like to start something new. It's

15:11

funny I talk to artists like

15:13

this in the same situation as

15:15

you and they start something new

15:17

and it's just this grind that

15:19

sometimes they don't stick with because

15:21

it's like wow the business and

15:24

trying to get a foothold now

15:26

even coming out of a big

15:28

band and having this huge association

15:30

and awareness. It's still really tough

15:32

sometimes to build an audience. But

15:34

knowing you how I know you,

15:36

I would think this that would

15:38

might maybe be almost a relief

15:40

because you don't have to live

15:42

up to anything. Creatively you've got

15:44

a clean slate here and you're

15:47

just building something brand new and

15:49

of course you've had your success.

15:51

So however big this is commercially

15:53

or not, it's more I would

15:55

think about the creative for you

15:57

at this point. Do I have

15:59

that right? We'd love to be

16:01

successful with this record in terms

16:03

of how many people listen to

16:05

it. That's all we ever really

16:07

cared about. We made a record

16:09

that sounds fantastic, frankly. It's a

16:12

great sounding record. And that's what

16:14

we wanted to share with people.

16:16

I mean, that's really all that

16:18

we care about with this particular

16:20

project, because it's just worth it

16:22

to take the time and effort

16:24

to listen to it. People don't

16:26

care so much anymore. You know,

16:28

things come and go so fast.

16:30

My grandkids. you know when they

16:32

listen to music they listen to

16:34

30 seconds that's it then they

16:37

move on to the next one

16:39

and then the next one and

16:41

the next one they don't listen

16:43

to a whole track so you

16:45

know it's it's a weird time

16:47

in music and how you listen

16:49

to it and how you process

16:51

it there's so much of it

16:53

you know social media is like

16:55

it's everywhere things there's just no

16:57

catching your breath I'm laughing Alex

17:00

because I don't know if you

17:02

know this but today is the

17:04

is the 49th anniversary of 2112

17:06

and I don't think today's music

17:08

to your point I don't think

17:10

I don't think in today like

17:12

in today's world coming out with

17:14

the one song that's a full

17:16

album side with 32nd attention spans

17:18

2112 probably wouldn't have made it

17:20

in 2025 would it? It's 49

17:22

years, really? Yeah. I'm just, one,

17:25

this is the way that's 40

17:27

years. Today it came out on

17:29

April 1st in 1976, 2112, today.

17:31

Well, yeah, seems like yesterday. But

17:33

that 21-minute song, that 21-minute song

17:35

ain't flying in today's short attention

17:37

span of social media, to your

17:39

point. No Eddie and Alex and

17:41

I spoke about exactly what he

17:43

said you know because my daughters

17:45

are the same way they especially

17:47

my youngest like love flipping through

17:50

listen to a verse of chorus

17:52

and of chorus and she's gone.

17:54

She's on to the next thing,

17:56

right? And I said to Alex,

17:58

well, maybe we should be writing

18:00

three-minute songs, just an introverse and

18:02

chorus, like back to the 60s

18:04

and, you know, like Buddy Holly

18:06

or the Ramones, like they had

18:08

it, right? Three-minute songs, in and

18:10

out. Right Andy for you I

18:13

mean for people that are familiar

18:15

with with the music of Coney

18:17

Hatch which again as you know

18:19

it was a huge fan of

18:21

the band and I know you

18:23

still do some stuff with them

18:25

here and there but you know

18:27

people that know Coney Hatch Coney

18:29

Hatch was a straight up in

18:31

your face riff driven hard rock

18:33

band. This is a you know

18:35

different side of your playing and

18:38

your approach to music from what

18:40

Coney Hatch was. Where did this

18:42

like was this always a direction

18:44

musically you wanted to go in

18:46

as well? Well, it's interesting that

18:48

you mentioned that and how envy

18:50

none plays into it because the

18:52

fourth member that we haven't spoken

18:54

about today is Alf Annabelini. And

18:56

I met Alf when I was

18:58

recording one of my records after

19:00

Coney. I think he was involved

19:03

maybe in the scatterbrain record, but

19:05

I really hit it off with

19:07

Alf and. More on the production

19:09

end of things we spoke about

19:11

collaborating and working on some stuff

19:13

together and and maybe finding a

19:15

young artist or young vocalist we

19:17

didn't really care what what gender

19:19

they were and just you know

19:21

so we started working on some

19:23

material and it was really trippy

19:26

Eddie it was nothing like Coney

19:28

Hatch it was a lot of

19:30

loops some of it was industrial

19:32

sounding some of it was a

19:34

little bit ambient and. Maybe was

19:36

the results of listening to some,

19:38

you know, 80s electronic music that

19:40

both of us were into, but

19:42

scratching a different itch as you

19:44

put it. And so the two

19:46

of us found that very rewarding,

19:48

but the goal was always, as

19:51

Alex mentioned, to see if we

19:53

might be able to find a

19:55

young artist and help develop them

19:57

and move them along. It wasn't

19:59

like we were writing material to

20:01

release a new album called Andy

20:03

and Alfio or something like that

20:05

right and and so to end

20:07

up in this place where we

20:09

met Maya and Insert her vocals

20:11

on it and then just you

20:13

know randomly Alex and I are

20:16

talking about what I was up

20:18

to and and it gets over

20:20

to him like the seeds of

20:22

everything from envy of none were

20:24

exactly me trying to scratch a

20:26

different itch and and having fun

20:28

and it was liberating. I don't

20:30

I don't need to you know

20:32

want to sound arrogant but that's

20:34

for on the floor rock style

20:36

like I can do that all

20:39

day long Eddie and I've done

20:41

it for a very long time

20:43

and it's nice to go down

20:45

a different road and explore that

20:47

and try to grow as a

20:49

musician so that's why I'm having

20:51

so much fun and and I

20:53

echo what Alex said. I'm really,

20:55

really proud of the records that

20:57

we've made, especially the new one,

20:59

and it's enabled me to, you

21:01

know, expand and grow as a

21:04

musician. Yeah, it's a really cool

21:06

sounding record, and it's got some

21:08

really interesting sounds, and Maya's voice

21:10

is so cool. She's American, right,

21:12

Andy? She, when I

21:14

met her, she was living in

21:16

Portland, Oregon, and she's now, I

21:19

think, living in Santa Rosa, just

21:21

outside of San Francisco. And Alex,

21:23

what has been the response or

21:26

reaction? And I don't know how

21:28

active you are, looking at websites

21:30

or comments or social media or

21:33

any of that sort of stuff,

21:35

but from what you've gathered from

21:37

Rush fans, what has been their

21:40

take on envy of None? Well,

21:42

I think most people are quite supportive. Like when you're talking

21:45

about rush fans, they're supportive of anything that we might want

21:47

to do or want to try. Yeah, all around it's been

21:49

very positive, really. And I know, Alex,

21:51

you've said more than once,

21:53

even on this show, when you've

21:55

been on with me that

21:57

the idea of, and I get

21:59

this, of you spent your

22:01

whole life pretty much touring around

22:03

the world, the idea of

22:05

touring didn't really appeal to you

22:07

too much. But we also

22:09

know that sometimes to really get

22:11

a band going, you got

22:13

to do some live shows, you

22:15

got to get out there

22:17

and get on the road with

22:19

it a little bit. Is

22:21

that changed for you, Alex? Are

22:23

you interested in maybe doing

22:25

live shows or is that still

22:27

something that's not really appealing

22:29

to you? We've talked about this.

22:31

I think having two albums

22:33

now, giving us enough material to

22:36

do a good show, like

22:38

you could do a couple of

22:40

hours in a nice theater. You

22:43

know, we have talked at length about

22:46

this. I know the musicians that I

22:48

want to include in a live presentation.

22:50

And I'm sure Andy's got a couple

22:52

of guys as well. But

22:55

it's, you know, you have

22:57

to have the support. And if

22:59

the album does well, then

23:01

it makes it much more realistic

23:03

to put something together where

23:06

you could do a residency or,

23:08

you know, maybe a dozen

23:10

dates or something. It's not viable

23:12

to do a one -off or

23:14

or anything like that. So

23:16

it's, it's a difficult thing. The

23:19

only advantage now is that

23:21

I can afford to buy the

23:23

van that we can drive

23:25

around and go to gigs. Yeah,

23:27

we were looking at a

23:29

nice, a conalign with Shag Carpets,

23:32

Eddie. It's a 2007, but

23:34

it's really nice. But

23:37

Eddie, you listen, like not,

23:39

obviously, not to the extent

23:41

of how much Rush toured,

23:43

but both, both Alex and

23:45

I have, have done the

23:47

grind. He more so than

23:49

I in at a certain

23:51

point, like the long lengthy

23:53

tours just aren't that appealing.

23:55

But then you finish a

23:57

body of work like our

23:59

second record and you go,

24:02

wouldn't it be nice to

24:04

cherry on top? to play, you know,

24:06

some shows, like a small amount of them, right? So

24:08

we are talking about it and it would certainly be

24:10

fun and I think it could be an awesome night,

24:12

but a lot of work going into, there's as much

24:14

work putting together a couple shows as it is an

24:16

entire tour. So, you know, at this

24:18

stage, I think it's safe to say

24:20

we're talking about it and it certainly

24:22

would be a nice little cherry on

24:24

the top, but we're not quite buried

24:26

at any. Well, yeah, and you know

24:28

what it's easy for me and other people

24:31

to say that but I think Alex just

24:33

kind of alluded to this before you've got

24:35

to build this to a certain point where

24:37

you know you're going to get I mean

24:39

look everybody knows Alex and there's the rush

24:42

fans are ultra passionate as we all know

24:44

and I'm one of them, but you do

24:46

have to I've seen this a million times

24:48

no matter how big the band is that

24:51

one of the members is stepping away

24:53

from and doing something new. It still

24:55

takes a lot to get people to

24:57

know about it and come out and

24:59

see it. I mean, Gene Simmons just

25:02

canceled 15 shows here in America. Now,

25:04

his ticket prices were a little too

25:06

high, but I mean, I've seen that

25:08

happen a lot too. So you want

25:11

to make sure that there's a real awareness

25:13

for this and I would think

25:15

Alex that you've got. two, three

25:17

records of this material under your belt

25:20

to really have established this ban so

25:22

people know who envy of none are

25:24

when you do go out and do

25:27

a show. I mean, I think that's got

25:29

to be part of it too, right?

25:31

That's precisely what it is. You know,

25:33

it's, if you're not going to play

25:35

to a full house, it's just not

25:38

worth it at this stage, certainly for

25:40

me. You know, Maya, the young artists,

25:42

she'll, too, or every day, you know,

25:44

you know, because... it's exciting for her

25:46

and it's an opportunity and it's sort

25:49

of a dream come true. I had

25:51

the dream and it was awesome and

25:53

I have great memories of that

25:55

dream and if we could do

25:57

something that makes sense we would

25:59

do it, but we wouldn't

26:01

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26:04

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I want to ask you about envy of

28:48

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on this one Andy the videos are

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incredibly cool But they some of

28:55

them don't feature you that one

28:57

of them I think features Maya

28:59

One is just, I don't know

29:01

if it's animation, AI or whatever,

29:03

the story, not dead yet, there's

29:05

a video for the title track.

29:08

I urge everyone listening to go

29:10

to YouTube and pull up the

29:12

envy of non-video's because they're very

29:14

different and very, very cool, some

29:16

of the images. Where does that

29:18

come from? Andy, you can take

29:20

that one to start. Yeah, you

29:22

know Eddie, I think I think

29:24

I shared my love of visual

29:26

arts with Alex. The two of

29:28

us, you know, obviously spent our

29:31

ton of time sculpting sounds and

29:33

songs and everything, but the two

29:35

of us also are greatly appreciative

29:37

of visual arts and I felt

29:39

that our album covers needed a

29:41

lot of thought and when we

29:43

put a lot of conversation and

29:45

thought behind them and wanted them

29:47

to promote a reaction and I

29:49

love the artwork on our records

29:51

and the videos were just really

29:53

an extension of that. a lot

29:55

of it like like Eddie not

29:57

to sound disrespectful but usually the

29:59

conversation. starts with the label going,

30:02

let's do a lyric video, which

30:04

is something I'm not interested in

30:06

personally. I find them the lowest

30:08

common denominators. So nine times out

30:10

of 10, we end up having

30:13

a conversation about finding different videographers

30:15

that collectively we really like. And

30:17

Alex stumbled upon this really talented

30:19

gentleman. name Mariano and he just

30:21

happened to do the video for

30:24

Not Dead yet and we and

30:26

Alex sent me something that he

30:28

had done private previously and I

30:30

was like oh my god this

30:32

this person's amazing so we started

30:35

working with him and and continued

30:37

to try to find new artists

30:39

and visual artists out there that

30:41

we could collaborate with but the

30:43

goal to in terms of a

30:46

performance video And again, not to

30:48

sound jaded, but Alex and I

30:50

had been there done it before.

30:52

We've done a million performance videos,

30:54

so that's why we wanted to

30:57

feature Maya. You don't find Alex

30:59

and I, or Alfieo in those

31:01

videos, because again, almost part of

31:03

this intention was to prop up

31:05

Maya, this young, you know, just

31:08

like a complete gem. And we

31:10

thought, let's promote her. Let's let

31:12

the world know about her. So

31:14

it was a conscious decision not

31:17

to be in the videos alongside

31:19

her. Alex, did

31:21

you enjoy doing videos in all

31:23

the years you did them with

31:25

rush? Or were they a necessary

31:28

evil? I mean, it was a

31:30

different time, of course, it was

31:32

all about MTV and that big

31:35

platform. Did you like them? Or

31:37

were you like, geez, we gotta

31:39

do a video? Geez, we gotta

31:42

do a video. I absolutely was

31:44

not into it, but they were

31:46

necessary at the time. You

31:49

know, these videos, especially

31:52

the ones that Mariano

31:54

has done, you know,

31:56

he uses AI to...

32:00

to inform his videos. I mean,

32:02

there's a lot of work done

32:04

before it even comes near a

32:06

computer, but he's very, very talented

32:08

in these. And he has a

32:10

really great, broad vision of things.

32:12

He's always looking at the technology

32:14

and moving ahead. So he did

32:16

the two videos with him. And

32:18

we were quite happy. You know,

32:20

the whole AI thing is very

32:22

controversial, as you well know. A

32:24

lot of people really hated them.

32:26

I thought they were amazing because

32:28

they look just amazing. And it's

32:31

just a music video. It's not,

32:33

you know, robots killing people. It's

32:35

just a music video. So chill,

32:37

folks. You know, enjoy it. It's

32:39

a visual thing, just like you

32:41

watch a movie. Yeah, so it's

32:43

a necessity, I guess, to have

32:45

them. Maybe we're still in the

32:47

past than currently. I don't know.

32:49

I'm sort of about in touch

32:51

with that sort of thing. I

32:53

don't really... pay a whole lot

32:55

of attention to it. I know

32:57

it's a promotional tool. It's important

33:00

to their record company so that

33:02

they can do their job more

33:04

efficiently, but if we never had

33:06

to do it, it wouldn't bother

33:08

me. Yeah, I think there just

33:10

needs to be some visual component,

33:12

it seems like, for all these

33:14

songs. I mean, it's so different

33:16

than it was back in the

33:18

day because now they're... for the

33:20

most part way more inexpensive to

33:22

do you know people do amazing

33:24

looking stuff just on iPhones or

33:26

whatever so I mean I've seen

33:29

artists put out a video for

33:31

every song from their record just

33:33

because it's another way somebody might

33:35

stumble upon the visual on YouTube

33:37

and When we were younger we

33:39

would sit in front of the

33:41

TV at least here in the

33:43

US and wait for MTV to

33:45

world premiere the video for Tom

33:47

Sawyer or whatever and now Click

33:49

away, you can see anything you

33:51

want. So it is totally different

33:53

in the way they're used, but

33:55

I still think they fill a

33:58

pretty important role. Yeah, I would

34:00

agree. Yeah, I do agree with

34:02

you. Yeah. about the video because

34:04

when we all grew up we

34:06

could find our music in various

34:08

ways used at MTV or you

34:10

know we'd read magazines whether it

34:12

be you know cream or circus

34:14

or sounds or kering and that's

34:16

where you discovered new music but

34:18

sure I think a lot of

34:20

a lot of people don't realize

34:22

that probably the majority of music

34:24

is consumed on YouTube these days

34:27

that's and that's probably because it's

34:29

a pre-platform but you know there's

34:31

a lot of music that's listened

34:33

to there and So you kind

34:35

of you have to be on

34:37

that platform if you want to

34:39

have it reached to as many

34:41

people as you can and getting

34:43

back to what Alex said like

34:45

our goal was hopefully that people

34:47

would as many people as possible

34:49

will discover this record and listen

34:51

to it and love it as

34:53

much as we do and having

34:56

it on YouTube whether you like

34:58

it or hate it or hate

35:00

it and boy do we ever

35:02

whacked the hornets nest with using

35:04

an AI artist on it but.

35:06

That's where people are going to

35:08

consume their music, largely. So we

35:10

wanted to be there, and that's

35:12

a great way for us to

35:14

spread the word about envy of

35:16

none. One more thing on visuals,

35:18

Alex, you know, I recently had

35:20

Hugh Syme on my show. He

35:22

was on talking about his art

35:25

and his covers, and then I

35:27

actually did his podcast. He asked

35:29

me to be a guest on

35:31

his podcast, and we were talking

35:33

a lot about the rush covers

35:35

and all of that, obviously. How

35:37

involved were you guys? you know

35:39

you and Getty and Neil how

35:41

involved were you guys because the

35:43

rush covers are so iconic and

35:45

the stuff Hugh did is just

35:47

so legendary were you guys actively

35:49

involved in those images then or

35:51

was it just basically like you'd

35:54

give the record or not give

35:56

the record to Hugh and say

35:58

come up with something and show

36:00

it to us I mean do

36:02

you remember like you know from

36:04

album to album did you get

36:06

more involved as it went on

36:08

or did just leave it all

36:10

to him how did that work

36:12

with Rush? Well it Neil was

36:14

deeply involved with with Hugh on

36:16

the covers. And he was aware

36:18

of every single thing to do

36:20

with the covers, the artwork, everything.

36:22

So I think Gedd and I,

36:25

well, we just left it to

36:27

Neil, because we had total confidence

36:29

that, you know, he was going

36:31

to do the right thing and

36:33

look for the right things. So

36:35

Gedd and I sort of tended

36:37

to just be on the sidelines.

36:39

You know, we would see the

36:41

progress that was Neil and Hugh

36:43

together. Do you have a favorite

36:45

rush? I'm only give this to

36:47

both of you Because of course

36:49

Andy's a huge fan as well

36:51

as as I but Alex do

36:54

you have a favorite cover of

36:56

a rush album? As far as

36:58

a visual A favorite No, it's

37:00

yeah, you know what I like

37:02

to have them all for what

37:04

they were at the time when

37:06

they were released in the whole

37:08

catalog covers. There's great variety, there's

37:10

an underlying character to them, that's

37:12

because it's huge artwork, it's his

37:14

vision. But, you know, stuff he's

37:16

doing right now is just really

37:18

amazing for a lot of the

37:20

things that we're releasing, the anniversary

37:23

records, the 50th anniversary. Yeah, and

37:25

he's doing such a great job

37:27

keeping that, you know, that idea

37:29

going. Andy, do you have a

37:31

favorite? You know, I do, and

37:33

you might be surprised by the

37:35

answer, and it comes with me

37:37

telling you my love of art

37:39

and trying to provoke a reaction

37:41

and making people think, and I'm

37:43

a big fan of Hughes work,

37:45

and also Storm Thorgason who did

37:47

the hypnosis covers like I think

37:49

about. Led Zeppelin presence or How's

37:52

the wholly or UFO obsession? And

37:54

you look at those covers and

37:56

you go, what the heck does

37:58

this mean? And it makes you

38:00

start thinking and going, well, why

38:02

did this artist choose this? But

38:04

for me and Rush and Signals,

38:06

I thought it was so just

38:08

like, it's so tongue and cheek,

38:10

you know, it's just like this

38:12

dog in the hydrant and you're

38:14

like, I remember seeing it first

38:16

off going, what is this? And

38:18

they go, ah, okay. Now I

38:21

know what they were going for.

38:23

So. I always loved the hidden

38:25

messages in some of Hughes artwork

38:27

where it would make you think

38:29

and wonder why those images were

38:31

chosen and a little bit of

38:33

tongue-in-cheek on it and I love

38:35

that sort of underlying humor that

38:37

always existed with Rush. Yeah, he

38:39

was nice enough to offer me

38:41

a print of any cover I

38:43

wanted and I picked permanent waves

38:45

because that was my first Rush

38:47

album and I always loved it.

38:50

That is a good one. And

38:52

the cover is just always very

38:54

captivating to me. And I also

38:56

love farewell to kings. I didn't

38:58

know until Hugh told me that

39:00

I thought the guy in the

39:02

chair on the cover of farewell

39:04

to kings. I always thought that

39:06

was like a mannequin or something.

39:08

But Alex, he told me that's

39:10

an actual real guy. He went

39:12

and found the skinniest person he

39:14

could find to put him in

39:16

that chair. I had no idea.

39:19

That's right. Yeah. the photograph was

39:21

taken, you know, an industrial park

39:23

or something in Buffalo. I think

39:25

that's where, that's where he took

39:27

the photo. Yeah. Yeah, the stories

39:29

behind all that stuff is just

39:31

fantastic. Alex, you know, when we

39:33

talk about playing live, I'm curious,

39:35

I know that you've said in

39:37

other interviews that you and Getty

39:39

get together like once a week

39:41

and just jam and play a

39:43

little bit. I'm curious if you're

39:45

still doing that and also, you

39:47

know, a number of years ago

39:50

around our 40, you were public

39:52

about having had an issue with

39:54

your hand and an arthritic condition.

39:56

How's that all holding up for

39:58

you now? Well, I've had psoriatic

40:00

arthritis for decades. And I got

40:02

on the bi- program early. So,

40:04

you know, it's a lot of

40:06

different biologics because they don't last

40:08

forever. And it's been very effective

40:10

for me. It's worked really well.

40:12

So it's kept my arthritis in

40:14

check, becoming a little more noticeable,

40:16

but I ignore it and, you

40:19

know, just take a couple of

40:21

tolerance or something and just get

40:23

on with it. And I like

40:25

to play. I play a lot.

40:27

Like, this is a great thing

40:29

about. working on stigeon waves. I

40:31

stopped going to a golf course,

40:33

I spent my time in the

40:35

studio instead, which is great because

40:37

golf is such an ignorant sport

40:39

and I hate it, but I

40:41

love it. It just tears you

40:43

to pieces. So it was nice

40:45

to spend more time in the

40:48

studio and playing. And then, you

40:50

know, Ged's my best friend. Aside

40:52

from everything else, he's just my

40:54

best friend since we were 13

40:56

years old. So I got to

40:58

spend my basically my whole adult

41:00

life with my best friend hanging

41:02

around doing something that we love

41:04

doing. So that ended and now

41:06

we're still hanging around because we're

41:08

best friends. You know, so there's

41:10

no great mystery or some plan

41:12

or something. We just love getting

41:14

together. I go over there to

41:17

his place. Sometimes we go downstairs

41:19

and we play for a bit.

41:21

Sometimes we just sit upstairs and

41:23

drink coffee and laugh. You know,

41:25

it's... It's fun. When we play,

41:27

we jam, sometimes we play rush

41:29

songs, we realize how hard they

41:31

are, so we don't play them

41:33

for very long. But, you know,

41:35

I love the men. He means

41:37

the world to me. And I

41:39

love being with them. We play

41:41

tennis together, we go for dinner.

41:43

We were up for dinner last

41:46

night, in fact. We have some

41:48

friends that were on tour with

41:50

us, that we're here for a

41:52

show with somebody else that they're

41:54

with right now. and we got

41:56

together as nice to see that

41:58

and nice to be with my

42:00

buddy and share a glass of

42:02

wine and laugh. All we've done

42:04

for all these years, the 50

42:06

plus years, almost 60 years together,

42:08

is laugh. It's like 99% of

42:10

the time, we just laugh. And

42:12

it is so great and so

42:15

special. And I wish the same

42:17

for everybody else, that they should

42:19

have a friend, that they could

42:21

have that kind of relationship

42:23

with their whole lives. Yeah, no, that

42:26

is phenomenal. That is so cool and

42:28

the little bit of time over the

42:30

decades I've been around you guys I

42:33

can attest to that because I've seen

42:35

it firsthand Do you have a drummer

42:37

when you guys play is there? Do

42:39

you use a drum machine or you

42:42

don't use drums? Drummers are for

42:44

tourists No, we just play like

42:46

we just play right? We just

42:48

play it if we're just jamming

42:50

on bluesy sort of stuff. We

42:52

just do that we just do

42:54

that until we get bored. It

42:56

comes pretty quickly. But, you know,

42:59

we love doing a lot

43:01

of stuff together. Playing is

43:03

one of them. We've played

43:05

and wrote songs to get

43:07

it for a half century.

43:09

You know, that's never going

43:12

to end for us. And neither

43:14

do we want it to end.

43:16

But there's, you know... No,

43:18

nor should it end. It's great. And what

43:20

you're doing with envy of none is great.

43:22

I mean, I think I would think you're

43:24

in a great time in your life right

43:26

now because you've got these different creative outlets

43:29

and you can kind of do things that

43:31

make sense for you and that are comfortable

43:33

for you at this point and there's no

43:35

big pressure on you, right? There's no big

43:37

machine that you've got to live up to.

43:39

I would think it's a great time for

43:41

you as far as a musician in a

43:43

creative person. It is

43:45

a great time for me personally

43:48

is a great time. I had

43:50

surgery about a year and a

43:52

half ago. I had problems with

43:55

my stomach and this is the

43:57

second time I had this surgery.

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