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4:05

and we rarely do this, but it's

4:07

going to be an interview

4:09

that actually if you're listening to

4:12

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4:14

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4:16

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4:18

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4:20

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4:22

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4:24

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4:26

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4:28

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4:30

But what you're about to hear

4:32

is an exclusive interview. Again, this

4:34

aired live yesterday on my daily

4:37

show, Trunk Nation, with Stephen

4:39

Piercy and Warren D. Martini.

4:41

People have been asking me about

4:43

Warren for ever. and he has been

4:45

for the most part very quiet

4:47

and off the radar since his

4:49

departure from rat a number of years

4:51

ago. Pircy has been out there

4:53

everywhere and has been on my

4:55

show many times and has openly

4:57

been courting Warren D. Martini to

4:59

work with him again. Well... That

5:01

is finally going to happen because

5:04

about a week ago when the

5:06

M3 festival in Maryland announced their

5:08

show for this year, they announced

5:10

that Warren and Stephen would be

5:13

reuniting not under the name Rat, but

5:15

to play together, which of course created

5:17

a lot of excitement. So we get

5:19

the full scoop on how this all

5:22

went down and where it's going, with

5:24

Stephen Percy and Warren D.

5:26

Martini not only doing the

5:28

first interview. together in ages,

5:30

but talking to each other for the

5:33

first time in ages live on

5:35

the radio. So this exclusive

5:37

conversation, again, that aired yesterday on

5:40

Trunk Nation, we're going to fast

5:42

track it and bring it to

5:44

you now today on the Eddie

5:46

Trunk podcast for the world to

5:48

enjoy. So we'll get to that

5:50

in just a second. Second

5:52

interview for you this week,

5:54

Marty Friedman. the virtuoso guitar player

5:57

best known for his work

5:59

in Megadeth. Marty has also written

6:01

a phenomenal book called Dreaming Japanese

6:03

and I had a chance to see

6:05

him recently. He's now on tour

6:07

in America. He doesn't get over to

6:09

the U .S. all that often. He

6:12

has lived in Japan for about

6:14

20 years, but Marty tells us all

6:16

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6:18

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6:20

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6:22

the U .S. So big podcast for

6:24

you this week. Let's get right

6:27

to it. Piercy and D Martini reunited

6:29

in their first conversation together in years

6:31

on the Eddie Trunk podcast. So

6:33

a lot of excitement and this is

6:35

something that rock fans have been

6:37

looking forward to and asking about for

6:39

a long, long time. A lot

6:41

of excitement when the M3 lineup was

6:44

announced and a couple of big

6:46

surprises on that lineup. One being David

6:48

Leroth, which he's not been active

6:50

for a long time. So that is

6:52

of interest to a lot of

6:54

people. Wondering what he's gonna do. But

6:56

the other big one that really

6:58

had a lot of people pleasantly surprised

7:01

was the reunion of Stephen Piercy

7:03

and Warren D. Martini playing

7:05

a show of rat songs at

7:07

M3, closing it out on

7:09

Sunday, May 4th and headlining that

7:11

day. And joining me now

7:13

in an exclusive interview with the

7:15

two of them together, we

7:18

welcome Warren D. Martini. Warren, how

7:20

are you, buddy? Great

7:22

Eddie, thanks for having us on, man.

7:25

I know I've been on you forever to come on

7:27

for an interview, so I'm glad we finally got you. Yeah,

7:31

man, we finally got it together. And

7:34

also joining me, Rat Singer, who has

7:36

been a regular on this show, had

7:38

been out there playing rat tunes for

7:40

a long time. Stephen Piercy, how are

7:42

you, brother? I am

7:45

good, brother Ed. And Warren, what's

7:47

up, my friend? How

7:49

are you, man? Yep,

7:52

you, we're ready. Yeah, so

7:54

Stephen, let me ask you

7:56

this first of all, do

7:58

I have this? right? Is this

8:01

since this reunion of you

8:03

guys playing together, is this

8:05

the first time that you're

8:07

actually speaking about

8:09

it? Yeah, actually, it is. This

8:12

is the first time we've talked,

8:14

I mean, up until this minute,

8:17

we've been talking through, you

8:19

know, our people and stuff. So,

8:21

you know, this is a nice way

8:23

to kind of get back, uh, reacquainted.

8:27

Yeah, why not why not reconnect on

8:29

in that? Why not reconnect on

8:31

a national radio show and talk

8:33

for the first time? I mean,

8:35

that's classic rat. I say it's

8:37

I say it's better late than

8:39

never, you know what I mean? Yeah.

8:41

So, so well, what with that being

8:43

said, before I get to my

8:45

questions, since you're literally talking to

8:47

each other right now for the

8:50

first time in a long time,

8:52

Stephen, anything you'd like to say

8:54

to Warren? Well,

8:56

you know, it's not even strange.

8:59

It was like it was kind

9:01

of supposed to just happen because

9:03

we've got so much unresolved stuff

9:06

in music. I mean, last time

9:08

we were really hanging, we were

9:10

writing songs, you know, and I mean,

9:13

one still is in my head that

9:15

we were writing at his house. So

9:17

to me, it just seemed like,

9:19

oh, yeah, just. I got was

9:21

in a coma for a few

9:24

years, you know, and just woke

9:26

up, everything was the

9:28

same, you know. So it's all

9:30

good. I was ranked right

9:32

after infestation, I

9:35

think. We were hanging out here.

9:37

And we have this one. Okay.

9:39

Hey, Warren, if you're off. Hey

9:41

Warren, let me jump in real

9:43

quick. If you're off your phone

9:45

a little bit or on speaker

9:47

on a headset, can you get

9:49

right up on it because you sound

9:52

a little, little drifty and

9:54

we want to hear you. Let me try

9:56

this. Is this better? Yes. Yes. Sorry,

10:01

Ed, as we were talking, Ed,

10:03

so as we were talking, as

10:06

Warren said, yeah, you know, we

10:08

were like working on, on music,

10:10

you know, and it's almost like,

10:12

not even skipping a beat, you

10:15

know, and this idea came up,

10:17

somebody approached, does, I believe, Warren

10:19

first, and said, hey, would you

10:22

guys like to instigate

10:24

something at M3? And it was

10:26

almost like a given, like, sure.

10:28

you know let's go that's what

10:30

I said I said fuck yeah

10:32

let's go you know yeah I

10:34

want to I want to you

10:36

know do a quick shout out

10:38

to the owner of M3 and

10:41

our manager and agent guys

10:43

and gals for making this

10:45

happen because it just you

10:47

know wouldn't happen any other

10:49

way I think so yeah thanks

10:52

to them yeah I agree yeah Warren

10:54

were you were you were you where what have

10:56

you because people You know, I've been texting you and

10:58

I said people would love to hear from you and

11:00

people love your playing and miss your playing and miss

11:02

seeing you and I've talked to you about trying to,

11:05

you know, wanting you to come on for a little

11:07

while now. What have you in this time that you've

11:09

not been, I think you've only, maybe you did a

11:11

fantasy camp, you've done very, very little things, maybe kings

11:14

and chaos, but she really haven't been out there. What,

11:16

what have you been doing in this downtime in this

11:18

downtime that you've been away from, from, from, from,

11:20

from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from

11:22

being on the stage, from, from being on the stage,

11:24

from being on the stage? You

11:26

know, what I always did and

11:29

what I always do, you know,

11:31

when I'm not sort of dealing

11:33

with all the stuff that we

11:35

deal with in life, I drift

11:37

back into the studio and, you

11:39

know, either start working on

11:42

something that I hear in my

11:44

head or refining something that

11:46

I have going. So it's

11:48

been a really nice thing to

11:50

be able to do all this

11:52

time, you know, because basically since...

11:55

You know, Stephen and Robert and

11:57

I wrote round and round, it's just

11:59

been... you know it's like okay you

12:01

can be a writer if you want

12:04

to be and so that's what I

12:06

that's what I do basically did you

12:08

miss being on stage Warren did you

12:10

miss playing do you miss being in

12:13

front of an audience oh of course

12:15

I mean you know it's it's hard

12:17

to find words to describe the kind

12:19

of energy that we have with our

12:21

audience it's just you know it's just

12:24

fantastic I did, you know, I did

12:26

keep it, you know, I did, not

12:28

as much as I would have liked

12:30

to, but like you said, I did

12:33

do some gigs with some friends, you

12:35

know, like the last one was with

12:37

Billy Gibbons and Sebastian Bach and, you

12:39

know, each group, you know, would play,

12:42

we would all play each other's songs,

12:44

you know, and it was, it was

12:46

two or three songs each, and it

12:48

was, you know, stuff like that. you

12:50

know kind of kept it kept it

12:53

burning but but this is the real

12:55

fire. Stephen you've been on with me

12:57

many times and you've been out there

12:59

playing rat songs for the last few

13:02

years now doing a great job great

13:04

band and all that but you you

13:06

and Warren I don't know how aware

13:08

of this you are but Stephen you've

13:11

been very transparent and open and all

13:13

the interviews we've done. of kind of

13:15

saying I got I would love to

13:17

work with Warren I you know I

13:19

want Warren you know I got every

13:22

connect with Warren I would love to

13:24

do something with Warren again so how

13:26

does this feel for you that you

13:28

know right now you're actually talking to

13:31

him and that this is finally going

13:33

to happen I mean this is something

13:35

you've openly wanted well put it this

13:37

way I'm fucking ecstatic but number two

13:40

now I know I got my work

13:42

cut out for me because if this

13:44

boy's been just sitting around right and

13:46

right in rips we're going to be

13:49

able to be able to be able

13:51

to be able to you know write

13:53

some songs sooner than later and that's

13:55

what we like doing you know it's

13:57

what we do it's kind of this

14:00

is very surreal in a way. It's

14:02

almost like, wow, you know, didn't miss

14:04

a beat, you know, I mean, except

14:06

for smarter, wiser, and hopefully a little

14:09

more talented in the writing, you know,

14:11

writing departments. So I'm looking

14:13

forward to it, you know.

14:15

Warren, were you aware, were you aware

14:17

that Stephen was, you know, did you,

14:20

do you pick up on that at

14:22

all? Did you hear through the wire

14:24

that Stephen was kind of through the

14:26

radio shouting out to you a little

14:28

bit? You know, I tend

14:31

to kind of just, you

14:33

know, just focus on my own

14:35

thing and, you know, so I, you

14:37

know, it may be a little

14:39

bit now and again, but, you

14:41

know, I, I just, you know,

14:44

if I'm not busy, like

14:46

I said, if I'm not

14:48

busy just with the regular

14:50

stuff, we all deal with,

14:52

I kind of get back

14:55

into an idea because that's...

14:57

Where that's that's where I love

14:59

to be so you know a

15:02

little bit, but you know I

15:04

was always hopeful that You know

15:06

we were able to love to get

15:08

here and and me and I

15:10

me Ed I'd say I look

15:12

at it like this way Warren's

15:14

always been a guy to let

15:16

a song or an idea ferment

15:18

So it wasn't a matter of when,

15:21

it was, I mean, if it was

15:23

going to happen, it was just a

15:25

matter of when, actually, you know, is

15:27

how I'd see in it, you know.

15:30

Warren, were you aware of the fans

15:32

missing you and wanting you

15:34

to play? And, you know, there

15:36

was a great fan contingency out

15:38

there. I mean, I would get

15:40

calls all the time like, hey,

15:42

where's Warren? What's he doing? Is

15:45

he ever going to play again?

15:47

Did you get a sense of

15:49

that? I'm sure as a player

15:51

you appreciate that the people certainly

15:53

didn't forget about you. Oh,

15:55

you know, when you, you know, when

15:57

I'm out once in a while, you

16:00

know, and... situation where you know that

16:02

can happen sure you know I'm

16:04

not a big social media guy

16:06

I don't you know I I

16:08

don't I do have like a Facebook

16:10

that I'll post for instance

16:13

this this M3 ad mat

16:15

or you know if I'm doing up

16:17

a gig with friends or

16:19

whatever but it's pretty much limited

16:21

to that and and I you

16:23

know I don't I don't spend

16:26

any time on the social media.

16:28

I should. And I'm gonna I'm

16:30

gonna try to do that more

16:33

often. But good luck. I

16:35

do get a lot of

16:37

positive feedback and enthusiasm from

16:39

fans, you know, when I'm out

16:42

and about, you know, in that

16:44

situation, sure. It's awesome. Hey, hey,

16:46

Ed, check it out. Ed, check it

16:48

out. What's going to be real fun

16:50

to do is for Warren, I to

16:53

put a set list together. It's like

16:55

I kind of put one together and

16:57

I went, you know, I think we're

16:59

missing some songs here. So that's going

17:01

to be a good thing. So if

17:04

anybody out there, the fans have any

17:06

suggestions for songs, bring it on. Well

17:08

Stephen you with your own band you

17:10

were celebrating the anniversary of out of

17:12

the cellar playing it in its entirety

17:15

Warren you jumping back in on this

17:17

and doing this with Stephen and I want

17:19

to get from you what the band is going

17:21

to be here in a second but to Stephen's

17:23

point Warren what what kind of stuff I mean

17:25

obviously you got to play the hits and Rad

17:28

had a lot of hits but what kind of

17:30

stuff are you looking to digging into Warren is

17:32

there some deeper tracks or some things you haven't

17:34

played in a while that you'd really like to

17:36

try to try to try to reintroduce to reintroduce?

17:39

I think so and I think

17:41

we need to do, you know,

17:44

really look at the whole catalog.

17:46

I mean we did, yeah, we

17:49

did, what, six records with Atlantic

17:51

and we've done three, you

17:53

know, through, you know, through

17:55

other labels. There's probably a

17:57

lot of deep cuts that,

18:00

That that would be just totally

18:02

awesome for this. Oh, yeah Oh,

18:05

yeah, so I can think of

18:07

a few right now You

18:09

know between the eyes hard

18:11

time. I mean eat me

18:13

alive Jesus, you know goes

18:15

up. That's all I know

18:17

like given yourself away would

18:19

be oh that would be

18:21

that would be cool. Actually,

18:24

look at us Ed. We're

18:26

making we're talking the set

18:28

list right here on live.

18:30

Well it's funny giving yourself

18:32

away is a song that

18:34

Stephen and I have talked about

18:36

a number of times. It's like the

18:38

hit that should have been a hit

18:40

that wasn't a hit, especially with the

18:42

people that worked on it. And I

18:44

don't know if you guys know this.

18:46

I personally loaded that song because it

18:49

wasn't in our database on Sirius XM.

18:51

And I personally ripped it off my

18:53

CD and loaded it in. And ever

18:55

since, Her Nation has been playing it

18:57

like every day. So we might be

18:59

making that a hit 30 years after

19:01

the fact. You know we played that

19:03

really I'm in just one of

19:05

my favorites. Yeah. Yeah we played

19:07

that in Japan last time we

19:10

were out there and it there's

19:12

a video they actually made a

19:14

video for it you know Japan

19:17

label I'll throw in your

19:19

I'll throw it I'll throw in

19:21

your direction out there guys DIY

19:23

you know guys I'll throw in your

19:25

direction out there. Yeah we got

19:28

to do that one. Yeah we got

19:30

to do that one. That would be

19:32

killer. That would be. Yeah, I can, you

19:34

know, I'm really, I'm really excited about

19:36

this, not only as a fan, but

19:39

I'm excited for the two of

19:41

you, because I'm hearing, hearing the two

19:43

of you speaking right now together.

19:45

First of all, I'm honored that you

19:47

chose this show with me to do

19:50

this, and you're speaking for the first

19:52

time. But I can genuinely hear in

19:54

both of your voices, genuine excitement

19:57

for this, which is really, really

19:59

cool. We've all been doing this

20:01

a long time, but to get that

20:03

juice and that excitement is really special.

20:06

And Steve and I really can feel

20:08

it from you, because I know how

20:10

bad you wanted this for how long.

20:12

Oh yeah, yeah. And you know, like

20:14

I say, it's Warren's not a guy,

20:16

you like kind of shove out there.

20:19

It'll happen when it happens, and here

20:21

we are. I mean, look, the invasion

20:23

celebration, I'm calling it, you know. It's

20:25

40 years of invasion, I'm sure we'll

20:27

be playing a few of those songs,

20:29

and it. to natural i'm i'm i'm

20:32

gonna have a great time we're gonna

20:34

have a great time we've already got

20:36

a lot of stuff in mind when

20:38

do you plan to rehearse for the

20:40

first time i got the call i'm

20:43

sorry go ahead Warren you know ahead

20:45

sorry well i was just gonna say

20:47

when i got the call for you

20:50

know with the with this idea like

20:52

you know we need someone to

20:54

close on day would you

20:56

be open to doing a

20:58

demartini percy demartini You know closing

21:00

the show under that that kind

21:02

of idea and no Stephen won

21:05

the coin toss on that one,

21:07

but I just This is it

21:09

You know, oh, yeah, yeah, it's

21:11

going to be I'll guarantee you

21:13

an ass with the door Yeah,

21:16

so I've kind of been waiting

21:18

for the for the right door

21:20

to open and and this was

21:22

it well, you know to the point

21:25

about the name calling it Percy D

21:27

Martini, regardless of which name comes first,

21:29

it's obviously not called Rat. There are

21:31

a lot of bands out there that

21:33

are not operating with the original singer

21:36

and lead guitar player that are using

21:38

the name. Is that a legality thing

21:40

without getting into the weeds as to

21:42

why this isn't Rat? Well, I'll tell

21:44

you right straight up. It's

21:46

not about red. It's about

21:49

the legacy of our music

21:51

and Who better to deliver

21:53

it because we don't have

21:55

all the proper original elements

21:57

which would include Robin so

21:59

You know, we just decided no,

22:02

you know, this is great. This

22:04

is perfect. You know, it's, it's,

22:06

I mean, we don't want to

22:08

hit a brick wall. We want

22:10

this nice and smooth, you know,

22:12

so that's what we intend to

22:15

do. It's not about that. It's

22:17

about the legacy of Rat, period.

22:19

Will there be, will Juan or

22:21

Blots be involved in this at

22:24

any point in any way? No.

22:26

No, no, not on this, no.

22:28

Like I say, it's, we wanted

22:30

it to be about the music

22:32

and Warren and myself delivering it,

22:34

you know, because it is going

22:36

to be a little different. If

22:38

you were to throw the other

22:41

guys in the mix, it wouldn't

22:43

be exactly what it is

22:45

now, you know, the opportunity. So

22:47

saying that, no, we've, uh, warrant

22:49

and tell you what's going down

22:51

with who's playing with us, you

22:54

know. Yeah, who's the band Warren?

22:56

Well, you know, Carlos

22:58

is available and wants

23:01

to do it. So Carlos Kavazzo,

23:04

so Carlos Kavazzo is

23:06

returning on second guitar

23:09

with you. Correct. Yeah, correct.

23:11

Yeah, we're gonna have Carlos

23:13

out there, which is kind

23:15

of, which is cool. And

23:18

I'm bringing in Matt Thorn

23:20

on base, who's pretty much

23:22

an original rat guy from

23:24

1981 82 when Jakey and

23:27

Warren Bolden and then we

23:29

have we're taking blasts a

23:31

lot on drums from you

23:33

know slaughter and my band

23:35

and we're ready to go.

23:38

You know when I moved

23:40

up to LA to join rat I

23:42

stayed at a house at Jake

23:45

you know with Jakey Lee for

23:47

for a few months and Matt

23:49

was It was like a three

23:51

bedroom and Jake had one and

23:54

Matt had the other and this

23:56

other musician had the third and

23:58

I was on the couch. The

24:01

neck goes way back with

24:03

yeah, actually kind of looking

24:06

forward to checking that

24:08

out again. He was playing

24:10

based on my joy. Mm-hmm.

24:12

So this is, we'll guarantee it'll

24:15

be, it'll be an evening to

24:17

had for all. Yeah, no, that's,

24:19

those are all killer players and

24:21

Bloss is great. I mean, Bloss

24:23

is. I always joke with Bloss

24:25

because he lives here in Vegas.

24:28

I see him from time to

24:30

time. The guy, the guy never

24:32

aged. He looks like the same

24:34

guy from the slaughter videos back

24:36

35 years ago. It's crazy and

24:38

he still plays great as well.

24:41

So that'll be, that'll be, that'll

24:43

be killer. When do you guys plan

24:45

to come together for the first time?

24:47

What is the, what is the timetable?

24:50

Stephen, you want to take that one?

24:52

Well, I'm going to probably say...

24:54

Probably sooner than later. Yeah, then

24:56

we'll go under rehearsals for M3

24:58

because I mean I have ideas

25:00

like I think Warren wants to

25:03

write some songs So I would

25:05

like to you know us all

25:07

to be prepared to maybe write

25:09

a song so it'll probably be

25:11

who knows could be a week

25:13

should be You know a couple

25:16

weeks. It's going to be sooner

25:18

than later. Yeah, then we'll go

25:20

under rehearsals for M3 and we

25:22

do intend on adding

25:24

some more dates, so

25:26

we'll take it from there.

25:29

Warren, anything you

25:31

want to add? No, that

25:33

sounds about right. You're

25:35

just learning about it as

25:38

we go, I know so.

25:40

You're all being educated as

25:43

we go, I think, on

25:45

the radio. It's all

25:47

good. We have some great people

25:49

behind this so it's almost like

25:51

it's going to be very smooth

25:54

and that's all what we're hoping

25:56

for and obviously new music is

25:58

what I'm thinking always. If Warren's

26:00

right and I'm in there, but

26:02

you know, M3 is definitely the

26:05

perfect place to kick it off,

26:07

you know, I'll guarantee you. So

26:09

there are going to be more

26:11

shows, this is not just a

26:14

one-off, you guys are not just

26:16

coming together to do M3, you're

26:18

gonna, you want to continue this

26:21

and build on it, it sounds

26:23

like, correct? I think you might

26:25

have some, you know, go ahead

26:27

one, one. since the the since

26:29

we announced the the m3

26:32

show there's been other stuff

26:34

has come up so you know we're

26:36

entertaining yeah so you're

26:38

open to Warren you're

26:41

open to continuing this

26:43

as assuming it all goes

26:45

well you're this you're not viewing

26:48

this as a one-off you just

26:50

coming back to do m3 and

26:52

then kind of going you know

26:54

off the grid a little bit

26:57

again you this is kind of

26:59

like you want to step back

27:01

out there again and seeing where it

27:04

goes well when this came up I

27:06

was treating it as a one-off but

27:08

but everything you know has a momentum

27:11

or it can have a momentum

27:13

and in this case it's just you

27:15

know it just feels better and

27:17

better So, you know,

27:19

it happened, Ed. You know,

27:21

what I've always wanted to

27:24

play these songs to the,

27:26

you know, to the people, like

27:28

we always have. You know,

27:30

so I'm totally, totally

27:33

game to doing more. There

27:35

you go ahead. Go ahead,

27:37

Stephen, what were you going to

27:40

say? I said, there you go. So,

27:42

you know, prepare for a good evening.

27:44

It's going to be a great time at

27:46

M3. Everybody come out. And we do

27:48

thank those guys for, you know, helping

27:50

us along with this project. One of the

27:52

things that I think is really interesting

27:54

about this and talking to you guys

27:56

right now that I'm picking up on

27:59

from both of you. is that it's you

28:01

know so much of the business now

28:03

as we know it is about live

28:05

and it's all about going out and

28:07

playing the hits and playing live which

28:10

you're clearly going to do and it

28:12

sounds like you're gonna do it beyond

28:14

m3 but The other big thing that

28:17

I'm definitely catching from both of you

28:19

is that there's a real desire here

28:21

to create new music and to write

28:23

new music. And that's interesting because a

28:26

lot of bands of your era, it's

28:28

about playing the hits and then nostalgia

28:30

in the catalog and going out

28:32

and playing live. So, you know,

28:34

where is that? coming into play

28:36

is it just because you guys have

28:38

both been writing individually and you really

28:41

have stuff you want to get out

28:43

we know it's been a long time

28:45

since there's been a new rat record

28:47

so for you Warren is that just

28:49

we'll go we'll start with you Warren

28:51

is that just part of your creative

28:53

process that you've been sitting on stuff

28:55

and you've been looking forward to

28:58

making it work you know my

29:00

my my method is just to

29:02

get ideas down and refine them

29:04

as best I can and then

29:07

they sort of have this this

29:09

weird way of finding their way

29:11

you know out out to the

29:13

public you know on I don't

29:16

think too much about it other

29:18

than just you know is this

29:20

good or not so I you

29:23

know work on something put it

29:25

away for a while listen

29:27

to it again you know,

29:29

almost forgetting about it

29:31

completely. And then, you

29:33

know, and then I can sort

29:35

of judge it with fresh years

29:38

and it's like, this is, this

29:40

is strong or this isn't, you

29:42

know, needs more work or it

29:45

needs to just be, you know,

29:47

abandoned, whatever. And that's kind

29:50

of the thing. So it's

29:52

like, for instance, a song

29:54

that you was talking about earlier.

29:56

We were just hanging out at my

29:58

house one day and... and I have

30:01

this, this, I had recorded

30:03

a demo of this song and

30:05

it just, you know, we spent

30:07

a couple of hours and it

30:09

just turned into something that every

30:11

time I hear it, you know,

30:14

it's just, you just get this

30:16

positive feeling like this is

30:18

a good song. And that's

30:20

something I think that's

30:22

kind of kept this thing going,

30:25

you know, as long as it

30:27

has going back to. out of

30:29

the cellar, you know, we have

30:31

our differences, we fight, we make up,

30:33

but it's the music that and

30:36

the and the what it means to

30:38

the fans that that kind of

30:40

just keeps it going the way

30:42

the way it is, you know, so excited

30:44

to be on on this side of

30:46

it again. What song is that

30:49

Warren, what song is that

30:51

you're talking about specifically?

30:53

Uh, title is sunset and

30:56

whiskey. Oh, it's not out yet. No,

30:58

no, no. And I gave it

31:00

another time, if it's the correct

31:02

one, but Ed, I gotta say,

31:04

you know, it's like Warren was

31:06

saying, you know, if he's gonna

31:08

sit on a song, but you

31:11

know me, I mean, I'll record

31:13

a cover song just to keep

31:15

something out there, just to enjoy,

31:17

you know, just have a kick

31:19

out of it. So I'm always

31:21

writing a recording and I'm more

31:24

than excited to hear what Warren's

31:26

got going because, you know, as

31:28

usual, I'll probably force him in

31:30

the studio, you know, soon enough. So,

31:32

you know, I'd love to hear these

31:35

riffs. We're talking about the same song.

31:37

Hang on, let me play a little

31:39

bit of it. Hold on. I'm going

31:41

to write a rat song right here on

31:43

the radio. I love it. Let's do it.

32:00

No. Did you hear there? Here

32:02

you go. Yeah, we could hear

32:04

it. Stephen, you got lyrics,

32:07

let's go, it's a hit. Yeah.

32:09

I can't hear it, but

32:11

you can't get the gist

32:13

of it there, but no,

32:15

it was another song I'm

32:18

thinking about. Because we actually

32:20

did put one down and

32:22

recorded at Matt's. So... Oh,

32:24

is that one? Oh, okay.

32:26

I remember that one too,

32:29

yeah, that... That's a great

32:31

book. Oh, we'll call that. Yeah, I

32:33

just hit it up to somebody today.

32:35

You took my breath away? There

32:38

you go, that's it. You

32:40

took my breath away. That's a

32:42

great fucking song. Yeah, I mean,

32:44

well, I think it needs another,

32:47

you know, a few hours, but

32:49

it definitely has potential. Look

32:51

at that is there you go love

32:53

this. We're seeing we're witnessing the creative

32:56

process You guys haven't even talked in

32:58

a few years and you're writing songs

33:00

on the radio with me. This is

33:03

incredible if I throw a couple phrases

33:05

out Can I get a writing credit

33:07

when it comes out? No, no Can

33:09

we can we publish on the progress

33:12

of these ideas Eddie? Well, you know,

33:14

we'll just play we love to play

33:16

a little snippet of stuff Yeah, it

33:18

gets going absolutely man Happy to do

33:20

that. Absolutely. I mean, I'm just excited that

33:23

you guys are speaking and wanting to get

33:25

ready to play and I know I share

33:27

in all the excitement with the fans and

33:29

I mean, it's so cool that you're you're

33:32

you're gravitating towards new stuff too because I

33:34

think that's great. I mean, I know you

33:36

guys had mixed feelings about infestation, some of

33:38

you, but a lot of people really like

33:41

that record. But you know, I know, Stephen,

33:43

you said that you felt there was unfinished

33:45

business business there as far as far as

33:47

recording rap music, right. Yeah, you know, I'm

33:50

told a hundred percent because like

33:52

I say if you don't get

33:54

the right elements going and and

33:57

sometimes like Warren says these songs

33:59

take years and then they pop

34:01

out of the woodwork. I mean,

34:03

look at, we've done it on

34:05

some of our records. Those songs,

34:07

some of those are years old.

34:09

They just have to ferment, but

34:11

you know, we appreciate, you know,

34:13

everybody who's, you know, excited about

34:16

this and we're looking forward to

34:18

it. It's gonna be a show

34:20

and M3, you know, here we

34:22

come, you know, and we'll keep

34:24

in touch and get ready to

34:26

rat roll, man. Hey Warren a

34:28

couple other quick. Go ahead. Sorry.

34:30

Sorry. No. No. Go ahead. Please

34:32

jump in. Oh, I was just

34:34

gonna add you know, it's it

34:36

you know, I notice you know

34:38

doing this for For a long

34:40

time that You know, it's it's

34:42

not that difficult to get good.

34:44

It's Another thing to get something

34:46

that's great and that that takes

34:48

time like you know, I notice

34:50

that I have to get I

34:52

rarely does something. You know Uh,

34:54

hit that fire you up threshold

34:56

first or second time. You know,

34:58

you have to work it as

35:00

much as you can and almost

35:03

forget about it for a while

35:05

and then listen to it cold.

35:07

And then you and then it

35:09

stands out all the, you know,

35:11

this part needs to come up

35:13

and got it out, you know,

35:15

you know, Warren, I asked even

35:17

about this in past interviews. when

35:19

you talk about what obviously is

35:21

the biggest rat song being round

35:23

and round and if I'm always

35:25

curious about this if you knew

35:27

when I always like asking artists

35:29

this like if you knew they

35:31

every artist has the definitive song

35:33

if you knew when you wrote

35:35

and record that it was going

35:37

to be that special. And Stevens

35:39

talked about this before with me,

35:41

but I'm curious as your take

35:43

on that, talking about this process

35:45

of writing, what is your recollection

35:47

of round and round? Did you

35:50

know, did you have any feel

35:52

when you recorded it for your

35:54

part of that song that this

35:56

thing was going to be your

35:58

defining song? Oh

36:00

man, there was definitely

36:03

some, you know, energy

36:05

I've never experienced

36:08

in my life, only

36:10

recorded it. For instance,

36:14

the double lead section,

36:16

you know, was originally

36:19

supposed to be, I

36:21

do the first solo

36:23

and then Robin does

36:25

a second solo. And

36:28

you know, he wasn't liking what

36:31

he was doing. And he just,

36:33

you know, after a while, just said,

36:35

you know, why don't you just do

36:37

the whole thing? And I was like,

36:39

no, you know, no way, man, you

36:42

know, let's just do something together.

36:44

And I came up with

36:46

that whole double lead bit,

36:48

you know, and you know, back

36:50

then, studio time was

36:52

super expensive and really were

36:55

supposed to know what you

36:57

were doing. before you go

36:59

in there. So I'm making

37:01

this up real time and

37:03

we're working it out

37:05

together and then recorded

37:08

it together and it

37:10

just was an incredible

37:13

moment, you know. I'm

37:15

not sure. No, no, I get it Stephen

37:17

for your part in it when you re-record

37:19

I believe I think you told me in

37:21

the past about round and round that you

37:24

didn't really know it was going to turn

37:26

into what it did, right? No, but

37:28

we knew we were doing something

37:30

right because we'd record Warren and

37:32

Robin and I at Rat Mansion

37:35

West. We would record with two

37:37

cassette tape decks bouncing them back

37:39

and forth, like put down a

37:41

guitar part, then you'd play it,

37:43

and then it'd record a new

37:45

part over it. It was really

37:47

fun, actually, and basic, and I

37:50

still kind of used those elements

37:52

today, but when we were doing

37:54

that... and the lyrics came pretty

37:56

easy you know i didn't think

37:58

it would be huge like it is

38:00

but I knew it was kind of

38:02

a fun song and then when

38:04

Bo got a hold of it you

38:07

know well there you go you

38:09

know it became a whole another thing

38:11

you know because it was all

38:13

new to everybody I just I didn't

38:15

I didn't think it was

38:17

gonna you know change the

38:19

future I'm talking about when we

38:21

wrote it that day at rap

38:23

mansion west um I didn't you know

38:25

it wasn't it wasn't that it was

38:27

I didn't you know have any

38:29

premonition about what it was what that

38:32

song was going to do but

38:34

I did note that it's

38:36

that something had happened and

38:38

we all um just sort

38:40

of put this together in

38:43

my memory is it didn't take

38:45

very long man no it

38:47

didn't it was pretty quick I

38:50

had a I had practice

38:52

amp we all lived together in

38:54

a one -bedroom you know apartment

38:56

in North Culver City and

39:00

I had this you know I just

39:02

had my practice rig and you know a

39:04

little practice and I was practicing

39:06

one day and both Robin and Stephen came

39:09

on go what is that and we

39:11

just for the next

39:13

couple hours you know put

39:15

together what what is what it

39:17

is today you know um yeah

39:20

and I just remember I just

39:22

remember like you know before that

39:24

I don't think we'd ever that

39:27

was pretty much the first

39:29

that or morning after or one

39:31

a man that were they were

39:33

all written there around the

39:35

same time and I'm not sure which one

39:37

was first but but it just was sort

39:39

of the first time that that something

39:41

was was really complete and

39:44

by that I mean

39:46

we all remembered everything about

39:48

the song you know

39:50

it was really we

39:52

started playing it live and it

39:54

was and everyone remembered their the

39:56

arrangement and their parts and all that stuff

39:58

you know I'll let you start

40:00

on this one. I'll let you guys

40:03

go in a minute here. A couple

40:05

quick things. To this point, when you

40:07

talk about the rat legacy and the

40:09

catalog, I've said this many, many times.

40:11

I put it up there against any

40:13

band from that era. I think the

40:16

music holds up incredibly well. I think

40:18

the songs, the albums, the consistency, the

40:20

amount of hits, the big videos, all

40:22

of that stuff. Have you seen and

40:24

are you seen and are you aware

40:26

and worn? The legacy of the band,

40:29

like, it's amazing to me, I've been

40:31

doing this 41 years and I connect

40:33

with people at all these different ages

40:35

that jump in and they'll tell me,

40:37

you know, I'll meet a kid that's

40:39

20 years old and be like, yeah,

40:41

I got into music because of this

40:43

or what have you, my parents or

40:45

whatever. You've got to feel, and I

40:47

imagine that maybe drives you a little

40:49

bit to get out there. again now

40:52

that there is potentially a whole nother

40:54

audience you got the old guard like

40:56

me who have been there since day

40:58

one but there's got to be there's

41:00

a really interesting thing happening where there's

41:02

a whole other audience of younger people

41:04

that have been exposed to this stuff

41:06

whether it's through a TV commercial or

41:09

whether it's through their parents or whether

41:11

it's through radio or video or YouTube

41:13

so you so do you realize that

41:16

about your legacy we'll start with you

41:18

Warren like you have an acknowledgement of

41:20

And I would think that's got to

41:22

be a pretty powerful thing for you

41:25

to want to get out there

41:27

and play. Oh, it most definitely

41:29

is, man. It's, you know, it's,

41:31

it's, it's, for me, it's all

41:33

about the live, those live moments,

41:36

and they're all different, and

41:38

they're all awesome. And it's,

41:40

it's just, that's when things

41:42

happen, that for me, going to

41:45

see shows, my brother took me

41:47

to see the Who. when I

41:49

was like seven years old and

41:51

it just absolutely blew

41:53

me away and I knew

41:55

from that moment on what

41:58

I wanted to do. you

42:00

know, it's hard to describe the

42:02

connections that happen, you know, during that

42:04

live show. And I just feel so

42:06

lucky to be able to do it

42:08

and that, you know, people care about

42:10

the music as much as we do. Warren,

42:15

were you approached in the time that

42:17

you weren't doing this, where there

42:19

are opportunities brought to you to do

42:21

other things, join other bands? Maybe

42:23

did you ever even entertain maybe doing

42:26

a solo record or something? Or

42:28

maybe something you still might wanna do? Well,

42:32

you know, absolutely.

42:35

I mean, you know, like I

42:37

said, I keep writing and,

42:39

you know, the hardest part

42:41

is deciding what to,

42:44

you know, how are these songs

42:47

gonna get out there and, you

42:50

know, I, my, you

42:56

know, choices,

42:58

first choices is doing it

43:00

with this guy singing, man. I

43:02

mean, I just fucking love

43:05

his voice and

43:07

I don't

43:10

know. I just, that's my

43:12

first choice, you know? I

43:14

mean, I work on singing a lot, but

43:16

I don't sing as good as this guy

43:18

yet. Or

43:21

you know, as good as this

43:23

guy yet. Hey, Eddie, let me

43:25

tell you something, you know what?

43:27

You know, exactly what you said

43:30

and Warren, we totally appreciate. I'll

43:32

tell you, the legacy, and I'll

43:34

tell you, when I have my,

43:36

when we do these meet and

43:38

greets and Warren and I'm sure

43:40

we'll get there eventually, but I

43:42

meet these fans of ours who

43:44

are so fucking sincere, it blows

43:47

my mind. And yes, they bring

43:49

grandkids and they're kids and it's,

43:51

I call them rug rats out

43:53

there if I see anybody under

43:55

like, you know, a certain age,

43:57

but it's like, the demographic is. much

44:00

wider and and I got to

44:02

tell you the 80s were an important

44:04

part of music history you know

44:06

and the fact that we're still part

44:08

of it over 40 years later

44:10

is a blessing and it's appreciative and

44:12

the people who come and see

44:14

us and who who make this legacy

44:16

you know fuck yes thank you

44:18

I mean because I like going out

44:20

there and having a good time

44:22

like Warren goes out there for for

44:24

his reason I go out there

44:26

for the same and to get something

44:28

back it's about fun you know

44:30

it's about having a good time you

44:32

know and never say never you

44:34

know and here you go all

44:37

right so just in wrapping up

44:39

here definitely sounds like new music is

44:41

something you both want to do

44:43

uh no timetable for that though right

44:45

like if there's going to be

44:47

new like you don't think maybe you

44:49

could get a do you hope

44:51

to maybe even put out a single

44:53

maybe sometime soon like I know

44:55

you gotta still reconnect and all of

44:57

that but you just threw an

44:59

idea around on the radio if you're

45:01

asked Ed if you're asking me

45:03

out of the question why not you

45:05

know before before a couple of

45:07

weeks ago I mean you know I

45:09

haven't talked to this guy in

45:11

seven years you know um so I

45:13

mean until now you haven't talked

45:15

in seven years think I think the

45:17

sky limit and uh yeah try

45:19

not to uh stuff it up you

45:21

know yeah right do something we

45:24

don't do best and more shows to

45:26

be announced so a dish people

45:28

who can't make M3 or whatever by

45:30

the way tickets for that are

45:32

on sale Friday but for people that

45:34

can't make it in Maryland um

45:36

it sounds like a good opera a

45:38

good possibility that there's going to

45:40

be additional stuff announced fairly soon yes

45:42

yes why not why not like

45:44

Warren says hey you know it's it's

45:46

like a new beginning so you

45:48

know let's let's have at it you

45:50

know and see what happens new

45:52

music shows we're just into it and

45:54

that's the first step is we're

45:56

into it you know and the band

45:58

line up there's no shortage of ideas.

46:00

And the band lineup, Matt Thorne on bass,

46:02

Bloss Elias on drums, and Carlos on guitar.

46:05

Warren for you, you know, I've talked to

46:07

Carlos and Carlos was always like, yeah man,

46:09

I don't want to do anything unless it's

46:11

with Warren. I mean he said that on

46:14

the air to me and he said that

46:16

privately. Why do you guys, and he was

46:18

the last guy in rat as the other

46:20

guitar player, what is it about the chemistry

46:23

between you and Carlos that makes it work

46:25

so well that you're bringing bringing it back

46:27

again? I think, you

46:29

know, we grew up on the

46:31

same stuff. We were, you know,

46:34

we were friends, you know, early,

46:36

early on. I mean, you know,

46:38

Robin, you know, and me and

46:40

Carlos, you know, if we,

46:42

you know, whatever, you'd be out

46:44

at a show or something like

46:46

that, we would always sort

46:49

of end up in a

46:51

corner somewhere, you know,

46:53

talking about guitar and...

46:55

He's just, I don't

46:57

know, he's just, he's

47:00

in, you know. And

47:02

guitar-wise, it's, I think

47:04

our style is just really,

47:07

you know, really

47:09

compliment each other,

47:11

you know. He's a good listener

47:14

and, you know, it's

47:16

just, I don't know, I

47:18

get that, you know, there's

47:20

a, there's a

47:23

comfort there that... Yeah,

47:25

there you go. He knows what to

47:27

do, you know, and what what he

47:29

knows what I don't know. We

47:31

just have we just have a

47:34

similar standard, I think, you

47:36

know, speaking of guitar players,

47:38

yeah, and speaking of guitar players, you

47:41

both mentioned this guy and he's a

47:43

guy that I friends with as well

47:45

that lives here in Vegas where I

47:48

am and that's Jake Jakey Lee who

47:50

of course, you know, thank God He's

47:52

still with us and you know, survived

47:54

this horrific shooting. I still don't know

47:57

what went on there, but I know

47:59

you know Warren, I remember when Jake was

48:01

out there playing, you and him really reconnected and

48:03

were hanging a lot. Have you been in touch

48:05

with him? I have,

48:07

yeah. Yeah, I'm

48:09

hoping to see him soon. But

48:14

yeah, unbelievable. So

48:17

lucky and just so thankful.

48:20

He's out and about. He's making the

48:23

rounds around town again. So he's

48:25

out there again, which is good to

48:27

see. So I know you guys

48:29

both have a lot of love for

48:31

him and I'm glad he survived

48:33

this thing, man, because that was a

48:35

horrible, crazy thing. But he even

48:37

he survived it. It surreal. I mean,

48:39

he was in LA three days

48:41

before that. And we

48:43

had lunch. And I mean, it

48:45

was like I had lunch with them. I hadn't

48:47

seen him in a long time at a great

48:49

time. And day after

48:52

that, I'm getting

48:54

called at 6 in the

48:56

morning. And it was

48:58

surreal. But again, yeah,

49:00

I'm lucky. And I'm

49:02

so I'm so happy

49:04

that he's OK. He's going to be OK. Yeah.

49:08

And I'm probably going to start playing

49:10

together, start playing again soon from what

49:12

I hear. Because before he was shot,

49:14

I talked to him about playing my

49:16

party a year ago, which Stephen played.

49:18

And he couldn't do it because he

49:21

was having a wrist issue. So now

49:23

that he's recovering, hopefully the wrist is

49:25

healed up a little bit because we

49:27

need that guy playing some guitar again.

49:29

That would be good to hear. Yeah,

49:32

it's like, oh, yes. Just in closing,

49:35

guys, we'll go one by one. Warren, I'll

49:37

start with you. I mean, just in

49:39

closing this out, what do you want to

49:41

say? And what do you want to

49:43

say to the fans listening? Because there's so

49:45

many people that missed you and missed

49:47

you playing and I'm one of them as

49:49

well. But what message you want to

49:51

send out there to everybody? Well,

49:54

we're going to be starting

49:56

rehearsal on this real soon.

49:58

And know. going to

50:00

just give it our own man

50:02

and you know thanks for

50:05

for all the support over

50:07

the years it's it you're

50:09

the reason that you know

50:11

we're still doing this and

50:13

I totally understand that and

50:16

you know God bless you

50:18

yeah Stephen anything you want

50:20

out or say me that you

50:22

wanted to do this forever man

50:25

I know this is something you're

50:27

angling for you You know, two

50:30

more. Let's go. I think that

50:32

sums it all up. Hey guys,

50:34

I can't tell you enough. Bye

50:37

bye. I can't thank you both

50:39

for doing this and I'm happy

50:42

for you both and looking forward

50:44

to seeing where this all goes

50:46

and keep us posted and happy

50:49

to be here to to share

50:51

any information as it goes that

50:53

you want to get out to

50:56

the audience. You got a brother.

50:58

Thank you. All right Warren

51:00

Stephen. Thank you man. Yeah

51:03

you too Warren good good chat

51:05

to him brother All right. You

51:07

got it Stephen. See you

51:09

guys. You guys. Bye. There they go

51:12

everybody How cool was that?

51:14

Stephen Percy Warren D.

51:16

Martini reunited and sounding

51:19

very very very good

51:21

sounding very happy and

51:24

optimistic about what they're

51:26

planning and If you're a

51:29

fan of that band, and I don't

51:31

know many people who aren't, I mean,

51:33

again, those are timeless, great songs. There

51:35

is no doubt you should be excited,

51:37

because they certainly sound excited and amped

51:40

up and ready to go. You know,

51:42

for Stephen, like we've talked about, and

51:44

I referenced in the interview,

51:46

and if you guys have been listening

51:48

to this show for a while, you know

51:51

that, I mean, Stephen openly wanted

51:53

that. He has talked about it on

51:55

more than one occasion. You don't you

51:57

don't really usually see somebody

51:59

if they want something like that

52:01

to happen badly, you usually don't

52:04

see anybody be that open about

52:06

it. The only other example I

52:08

can think of was when Stephen

52:10

Adler would openly campaign for a

52:12

Guns and Roses reunion. And

52:14

then unfortunately that happened and

52:16

he was kind of shut out of it.

52:19

But Stephen wanted that. You know, he was

52:21

open about it and he tried and he

52:23

pushed and he pushed. So you could hear

52:25

in his voice, understandably the

52:28

excitement that he's got. Warren back

52:30

in the band. And Warren

52:32

sounds happy and optimistic

52:35

to do it as well.

52:37

What you guys just heard

52:39

though, which again you've got

52:41

to understand and

52:43

they admit this, that

52:46

was their first conversation.

52:48

I think Warren said

52:50

in like seven years. So

52:52

they announced this show and as

52:54

Warren said they've been

52:57

talking through. intermediaries,

52:59

but they had not talked to

53:02

each other until what you just

53:04

heard. And why that's important

53:07

is because that was kind

53:09

of them breaking the ice

53:11

together, and the good thing

53:13

about it is it sounded

53:15

very, very positive. There was

53:18

a real energy there. And

53:20

I would not say that if I

53:22

didn't really pick up on that

53:24

immediately. You know, I knew what

53:26

it was going to be from

53:28

Stephen, because again, he's

53:30

been transparent about wanting

53:32

this to happen, but nobody's heard

53:35

from Warren in a long time,

53:37

and he sounds like he's in a

53:39

great place with it. Now look, you know,

53:41

the name thing, they're not going to

53:43

be able to talk about this,

53:45

but I guarantee you that's a

53:47

legality thing, because again, they said

53:50

Blatz and Juan will not be a

53:52

part of this. So, you know, I you

53:54

don't know we talk about it all

53:56

the time where the name ownership falls

53:58

who can do what? without who owns

54:01

a piece of what. So I'm sure there's

54:03

some thing in that because obviously

54:05

they, you know, there's a million 80s

54:07

bands out there that have maybe one

54:09

original member. It's not even a key

54:11

member and they're using the name. Comes

54:14

down to who can control the

54:16

name and what the parameters of that

54:18

are legally. So that's why it's being

54:20

called Piercy D Martini and they

54:22

joked about flipping a coin as to

54:24

whose name comes first. You know, where

54:27

this leads. you know and you know

54:29

what happens with the other two guys

54:31

that aren't a part of this and

54:33

what they have to say and if

54:35

they you know surface with something or

54:38

jump in on this or what

54:40

have you I don't know it

54:42

doesn't sound like that's that's where

54:44

the focus is though for Warren

54:47

and Stephen going forward

54:49

with this does it hold who

54:51

knows look we're being honest got

54:53

to call it like it is.

54:56

I mean there's a enormous history

54:58

of upheaval in Rat World and

55:00

things not lasting and

55:02

changing. So fingers crossed it

55:05

works. And the other thing you

55:07

take from that is there's going

55:09

to be more shows. We now

55:11

know the the lineup, the rest of

55:14

the band, which was just

55:16

exclusively announced. Again,

55:18

Matt Thorne, who's been playing

55:21

with Pircy solo band, Blaas

55:23

Elias from Slaughter, who's been

55:25

playing with Pircy solo band, and

55:27

also for years did Blue Man

55:30

Group here in Vegas, lives here

55:32

in Vegas, and Carlos Cavazzo back

55:34

in the fold on second

55:36

guitar who was in the last

55:39

version of Rat. So... And

55:41

then the final thing you take

55:43

from it is there definitely is

55:45

an interest in creating something new

55:48

beyond just the nostalgia angle to

55:50

this. So new shows, more shows

55:52

coming, band lineup announced, desire

55:54

to make new music, positive vibe.

55:56

I think that's what we take

55:58

away from all of. this and we will

56:01

continue to follow it. Well, we will

56:03

see where all that goes. It'll be

56:05

interesting to watch. There is never any

56:07

shortage of drama in the rat camp.

56:09

We know that over the decades. Let's

56:11

see if they hold that together and

56:14

we will see what the future holds.

56:16

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56:18

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58:17

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58:19

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58:21

um... I had a chance to

58:23

visit with when I was in

58:25

Japan recently. We actually went to

58:27

lunch. He has lived in Japan

58:29

for about 20 years. And of

58:31

course, he's originally from Southern California.

58:33

And speaking of great guitar players,

58:35

he is certainly one himself. He's

58:37

getting ready to embark on a

58:39

tour of America. Also has a

58:41

new album out called Drama and

58:43

has a fantastic autobiography, which I

58:45

read about 95% of. I got

58:47

about one or two final chapters

58:49

just at the very back of

58:51

the book. I did not get

58:53

a chance to finish off. But

58:55

it's a phenomenal read. It's called

58:58

Dreaming Japanese. and it is out

59:00

now joining us live on the

59:02

show is Marty Friedman. Marty, how

59:04

are you buddy? How you doing

59:06

Eddie man? Great to hear your

59:08

voice. You too, man. Welcome, you

59:10

know, it's weird. I guess this

59:12

is still your home, right? I

59:14

know you live in Japan, but

59:16

we could still say welcome home

59:18

that you're back on you oil.

59:20

Yeah, yeah, this is my home

59:22

country. It's always good to be

59:24

here. Yeah, man. You get ready

59:26

for Nam activities? You're doing, you're

59:28

doing stuff around Nam. I was

59:30

talking to John 5 yesterday, you're

59:32

doing a show with him, right?

59:34

Yeah, we're doing a show together

59:36

at the observatory on the 24th

59:38

and I'm gonna play at Metal

59:40

Allegiance on the 23rd and then

59:43

I'm kicking off my own tour

59:45

immediately after that. You

59:47

have made a little bit of more of

59:49

a concerted effort in the last few years

59:51

to play in America, right? Marty, I mean,

59:53

I know that with your albums and getting

59:55

over here, you've worked a little harder on

59:58

getting over here and kind of reestablishing things.

1:00:00

in America right? Yeah America and the

1:00:02

whole rest of the world too and you

1:00:04

know it got to the point where you

1:00:06

read the book so you know but

1:00:08

things were going really really well in

1:00:10

Japan but it was kind of at

1:00:12

the expense of not being able to

1:00:14

play in other places and not being

1:00:17

able to really escape Japan for more

1:00:19

than a couple weeks at a time

1:00:21

and and along you do that the

1:00:23

heart it is to get back so

1:00:26

I knew that I was going to

1:00:28

have to start cultivating. the rest of

1:00:30

the world more and it's just thanks

1:00:32

to the fans who supported me you

1:00:35

know through all that time because I've

1:00:37

been away from America quite some time

1:00:39

but thank God for these wonderful people

1:00:41

who supported me and come to the

1:00:44

shows outside of Japan and now that's

1:00:46

what keeps us coming back. And

1:00:48

the actual tour itself, like the

1:00:51

actual proper first date of the

1:00:53

tour is in Vegas, right? You

1:00:55

start, is that 24th or 25th?

1:00:57

Yes. The 25th. The 24th will

1:00:59

play with John 5, but it's

1:01:01

only kind of like a half-size

1:01:03

of a, everybody's playing short sets.

1:01:05

It's gonna be a big show

1:01:08

with us and Nieda Strauss is

1:01:10

there and John 5's there, so

1:01:12

it's kind of a big. kind

1:01:14

of a nam type of thing

1:01:16

but the proper tour starts right

1:01:18

after that where we're gonna play

1:01:20

almost two hours and tons of

1:01:22

surprises and tons of uplifting things

1:01:24

and I just want to break

1:01:26

in and just say how bummed

1:01:28

I am about the circumstances that

1:01:30

we're chatting by today because I

1:01:32

know that you're a big John

1:01:34

Sykes fan and John Sykes was

1:01:36

a big influence to me when

1:01:38

I was developing You know, when

1:01:40

you're a teenager and you're developing

1:01:42

your sound and what it is

1:01:44

you want to do in music,

1:01:46

and I just want to say,

1:01:48

I'm just really bummed out about

1:01:50

it because when I was, when

1:01:52

I heard the Tigers of Pantang,

1:01:55

I was really into the new wave

1:01:57

of British Heavy Metal, and as you

1:01:59

know, That's a very, it was

1:02:01

very innovative as far as heavy

1:02:03

metal and rock rhythm guitar went.

1:02:06

And that was kind of the

1:02:08

big signature of it. And I,

1:02:10

somebody could maybe correct me, but

1:02:12

I think that John Sykes was

1:02:14

the first guy as a lead

1:02:16

guitarist, at least the first guy

1:02:18

who was under my radar, who

1:02:20

was just playing mind-boggling guitar in

1:02:22

that context. I mean, at that

1:02:24

time, it was like really cool

1:02:26

rhythms and the solos were just

1:02:28

kind of like, just your basic

1:02:31

regular solos that fit the

1:02:33

songs or fine but when

1:02:35

John Sykes came out on

1:02:37

Tigers, the spellbound album, it

1:02:40

was like this was a

1:02:42

game changer for me so he

1:02:44

was like the first guy in

1:02:46

that genre that I heard that

1:02:48

was like, wow these lead guys

1:02:50

can really take a an exciting

1:02:53

part of the men sound and

1:02:55

who is an extremely important influence

1:02:57

to myself and a lot of the

1:02:59

people that I've met over the

1:03:01

years playing metal. So I just wanted

1:03:04

to say that and that I

1:03:06

wish all the best to his family

1:03:08

and I know that everybody in

1:03:10

the world of heavy metal and hard

1:03:12

rock and guitar, you know, owes

1:03:15

a lot to him and I just

1:03:17

wanted to get that off my chest

1:03:19

because it's really sad to hear that

1:03:21

type of thing. He had such great

1:03:24

things to contribute. Yeah, well, I'm

1:03:26

glad you said that and I was

1:03:28

going to ask you about him anyway

1:03:30

because every guitar player has been talking

1:03:32

about him and He was a friend

1:03:34

and I tried for decades to try to

1:03:36

get him to do more and I was

1:03:38

just a massive massive fan the blue murder

1:03:40

stuff the white snake stuff the thin Lizzy

1:03:42

like you said Tigers for me not being

1:03:44

a guitar player I was always just so

1:03:46

amazed at the sound of his guitar the

1:03:48

tone is vibrato that he had all this

1:03:50

flash, but also played with so much feel

1:03:52

and I remember I remember asking him about

1:03:55

it once and he said to me something

1:03:57

like, you know man, he goes, you can

1:03:59

get all the and petals and effects you

1:04:01

want he goes but at a certain

1:04:03

point it's just got to come from

1:04:05

here and he would he showed me

1:04:07

his hand he goes it's got to

1:04:09

come from your hands and that's like

1:04:11

a really big thing for me to

1:04:13

hear from a guitar player because again

1:04:15

I don't I don't play the instrument

1:04:17

so and I have so much appreciation

1:04:19

for it that you know sometimes you

1:04:21

can load up all this equipment but

1:04:23

at the end of the day it comes from

1:04:25

the person would you agree with

1:04:28

that? He was a simple dude.

1:04:30

He's not a dude that lives

1:04:32

and dies by effects and strange

1:04:35

sound textures. And there's absolutely nothing

1:04:37

wrong with that. Some people have

1:04:39

talents in that area, which I

1:04:41

admire very much. But I think

1:04:44

one thing that I was influenced

1:04:46

by him is the straight plug-in

1:04:49

guy. And like you said, it's

1:04:51

the hands and the sound and

1:04:53

the touch and the intention. And

1:04:55

so I think... at that point

1:04:57

it was probably subliminal for me

1:04:59

to pick that up but you

1:05:02

know he wasn't a guy who relied

1:05:04

on tricks you know he was a

1:05:06

real players player and as soon as

1:05:08

you heard his solo at the level

1:05:10

of the song all of a sudden

1:05:13

went up you know what I mean? Yeah.

1:05:15

And at the time I was very very

1:05:17

smitten with that because I love

1:05:20

New Wave of British Heavy

1:05:22

Metal and there's... the lead guitar

1:05:24

parts were always for lack of

1:05:27

a better word kind of pedestrian they

1:05:29

were you know they weren't really they

1:05:31

definitely weren't at the level of John

1:05:33

Sykes you know you had to really

1:05:35

be a player to be like that

1:05:38

so when I heard him it kind

1:05:40

of kind of opened up a

1:05:42

lot of things for me mentally to

1:05:44

like try to be more like that

1:05:46

and try to you know when the

1:05:48

solo comes make it an exciting part

1:05:51

of the song and That was something

1:05:53

he was doing way way back,

1:05:55

you know before heavy metal was

1:05:57

you know popular so I think

1:06:00

left a big mark and a lot

1:06:02

of people not just myself. Yeah no

1:06:04

doubt no doubt so I want to talk

1:06:06

to you there's like you said that you

1:06:08

got a lot going on your your it's

1:06:10

great that you're you're back you're here in

1:06:13

the US and When we had lunch in

1:06:15

Tokyo a few months ago, I mean, you

1:06:17

and I spent a lot of time talking

1:06:19

about all the stuff we grew up with

1:06:21

and all the great rock music we grew

1:06:24

up with. So I was really, and we're

1:06:26

around the same age. You're an East Coast

1:06:28

guy originally, I am as well, and you

1:06:30

know, growing up in Maryland, and as you

1:06:33

did, and I'm reading, I knew, I

1:06:35

knew when I dug into your book

1:06:37

as far as like in terms of

1:06:39

musical influences there was going to be

1:06:41

a lot of similarities. We both grew

1:06:43

up huge kiss fans and all of

1:06:46

that. But I got to tell you

1:06:48

man, I have so little time to

1:06:50

read these days and I'm telling you

1:06:52

the truth, I got your book, you

1:06:54

were nice enough to send it to

1:06:57

me and I start, you know, the

1:06:59

old proverbial page Turner. I loved the

1:07:01

book. It's out now, it's called Dreaming

1:07:03

Japanese, it's your autobiography, you wrote it

1:07:06

with John Wierhorn, who I know,

1:07:08

and Marty, I mean, this is,

1:07:10

the biggest thing that kind

1:07:12

of surprised, not... I don't

1:07:14

know the word surprise, I mean

1:07:16

I know you, I don't know

1:07:18

you extremely well, but I know

1:07:20

you and I've been a fan

1:07:22

forever, and you always struck me

1:07:24

as being kind of a fairly

1:07:26

private guy and a bit guarded,

1:07:28

but you are super, like this

1:07:30

book has everything, like you're super

1:07:32

candid, there's funny stuff in here,

1:07:34

I mean there's all kinds, drugs,

1:07:36

rock and roll, but it's not

1:07:38

exploitive in that way. I mean,

1:07:40

tell me about your approach to

1:07:42

doing this because, To me, this is

1:07:44

probably a side of you and

1:07:47

learning about you that most people

1:07:49

wouldn't expect. Well, thank you so

1:07:51

much for the compliments. I appreciate

1:07:53

it. And you're really right. I mean,

1:07:55

I'd know you for a long time

1:07:58

and I've known so many people. in

1:08:00

the music industry and I think

1:08:02

a lot of people would say

1:08:04

the same thing. It's like I'm

1:08:06

very private, not intentionally guarded, but

1:08:08

like it's really hard to get

1:08:10

a read on me because I

1:08:12

don't really divulge a lot of

1:08:14

private stuff and it's just not

1:08:16

in my personality to do that,

1:08:18

but the time to do that,

1:08:20

if any time, would be in

1:08:22

your own autobiography. So I just

1:08:24

completely let everything out. So people

1:08:26

are going to like be surprised

1:08:28

and... offended or not offended or

1:08:30

they're just going to not know

1:08:32

what to do because I think

1:08:34

a lot of people have a

1:08:37

hard time getting a read on

1:08:39

the personal part of me because

1:08:41

it's really nobody's business but when

1:08:43

you when you write an autobiography

1:08:45

that's where you have to put

1:08:47

it all in there and so

1:08:49

I'm like okay there's nothing that

1:08:51

I'm going to keep back you

1:08:53

know I'm not going to try

1:08:55

to make myself look bad I'm

1:08:57

just going to say all these

1:08:59

anything that is would be of

1:09:01

any interest to anyone who might

1:09:03

pick up this book and Put

1:09:05

let it all in there. You

1:09:07

know there's there's nothing to be

1:09:09

ashamed about of course There's a

1:09:11

lot of things in there that

1:09:13

I'm definitely not proud of but

1:09:15

these are things that happened and

1:09:17

these are things that are true

1:09:19

and and if I found it

1:09:22

interesting whether it makes me look

1:09:24

good or bad I put it

1:09:26

in there and you know a

1:09:28

lot of this stuff especially with

1:09:30

band interactions, you know Of course

1:09:32

everybody knew that I was going

1:09:34

to write every detail about my

1:09:36

experience in the 10 years I

1:09:38

was in Megadeth, but I also

1:09:40

treated my other bands before that,

1:09:42

even my childhood bands, with the

1:09:44

exact same candidness and all of

1:09:46

the real detailed things about what

1:09:48

it's like to be a band

1:09:50

that's not as big as a

1:09:52

Megadeth or something like that. So

1:09:54

I find that really interesting and

1:09:56

I think that people who want

1:09:58

to know what it was like

1:10:00

to be me those you know

1:10:02

that some people save the golden

1:10:05

era of Megadeth and I tend

1:10:07

to agree even though they've done

1:10:09

wonderful wonderful things in my absence

1:10:11

it's really what exactly my perspective

1:10:13

of how I live day to

1:10:15

day during that timing Megadeth and

1:10:17

I never really ever talked about

1:10:19

it especially after I left to

1:10:21

them because as you know I

1:10:23

made it kind of a rule

1:10:25

to any press that I've done

1:10:27

that You know I'm not talking

1:10:29

about Megadeth in interviews and I

1:10:31

shut people down for it and

1:10:33

during the interview or before the

1:10:35

interview I said look let's not

1:10:37

talk about this and so all

1:10:39

of that stuff is now fair

1:10:41

game in the book so it's

1:10:43

all out there and I think

1:10:45

that saved the book and it

1:10:47

kind of saved my career too

1:10:50

because who wants to talk about

1:10:52

something that happened X number years

1:10:54

ago when you're doing other things

1:10:56

that I find much more interesting.

1:10:58

Yes, there's all kinds of private

1:11:00

stuff that has never seen the

1:11:02

light of the day. And I

1:11:04

made kind of a policy that

1:11:06

if I talked about this in

1:11:08

an interview, I wasn't going to

1:11:10

put it in a book. You

1:11:12

know, if it's something that you

1:11:14

can find on the internet, there's

1:11:16

no reason to put it in

1:11:18

my book. So it's all basically

1:11:20

new stuff. And it's really weird

1:11:22

now to walk around and know

1:11:24

that people know my private. detail.

1:11:26

Your masturbation ritual is a kid?

1:11:28

That one made me laugh at

1:11:30

me. I'm like, you know what?

1:11:33

Now people know this stuff now.

1:11:35

That one made me laugh out

1:11:37

loud and was relatable. Well, you

1:11:39

talked about as a kid, your

1:11:41

your masturbation ritual finding your dad's

1:11:43

magazine, the music you put on

1:11:45

doing a big hit on a

1:11:47

joint. Oh, yeah. I mean, I'm

1:11:49

like. Screw it, I'm going to

1:11:51

put this in there, you know

1:11:53

what I mean? And if I

1:11:55

was reading it, I would find

1:11:57

that interesting. And I definitely recommend

1:11:59

that exact master. routine to anybody

1:12:01

and it really works well in

1:12:03

that there was a lead afford

1:12:06

there was something with lead afford

1:12:08

in there was a certain runaway

1:12:10

song or something that was that

1:12:12

that's the cornerstone of the book

1:12:14

right there if you get nothing

1:12:17

else out of the book it's

1:12:19

that the pristine way to bust

1:12:21

the nut is in that book

1:12:23

You should ask Lita for a

1:12:25

blurb for the back of a

1:12:28

book. I'm honored to be featured

1:12:30

in Marty's book. I'm afraid of

1:12:32

what she's going to say if she

1:12:34

reads you. I'm telling you this

1:12:36

thing, I mean, again, I know you,

1:12:38

I've known your career, I've known you

1:12:41

for a long time, but I learned

1:12:43

a lot throughout this book, I learned,

1:12:45

and you're right. I mean... Most people,

1:12:48

and you know this is better as

1:12:50

anyone in America, it's, oh, Marty Friedman

1:12:52

from Megadeth, but you don't get the

1:12:54

scope of all the stuff you did

1:12:57

before and all the stuff you've done

1:12:59

since until you dive into this book.

1:13:01

So it covers your early bands, whether

1:13:04

it was Hawaii or Duce or Kukkopani

1:13:06

with Jason Becker, and then of

1:13:08

course all the stuff you've done

1:13:10

since relocating to Japan and TV

1:13:12

and broadcasting and everything. So, you

1:13:14

know, I can't. I can't recommend

1:13:16

the read more highly to people.

1:13:18

And one of the things I

1:13:20

also laughed out loud about in

1:13:23

the book was that you talked about

1:13:25

growing up as a kiss fan,

1:13:27

that you actually had a friend

1:13:29

that predicted a couple years before

1:13:31

it happened that kiss was

1:13:33

going to sell out with

1:13:35

dynasty. Is somebody actually in

1:13:38

the foresight to see that

1:13:40

coming? Yeah, you know

1:13:42

we my friend and I were

1:13:44

like 1314 and we were just

1:13:46

rocking out We thought kiss was

1:13:48

the coolest thing and my friend's

1:13:50

big brother who's like two years

1:13:53

older, which is really important back

1:13:55

in those days He's like you know

1:13:57

Kiss used to really rock, but

1:13:59

they're on Top 40 I can see

1:14:01

it that's bebop he used to say

1:14:03

the word bebop and this band is

1:14:05

bebop now and they're gonna they're gonna

1:14:07

sell out him like you're kidding there

1:14:10

they were on like rock and roll

1:14:12

over and love gun which I consider

1:14:14

the peak of their career and the

1:14:16

reason why they're still popular now is

1:14:18

because that was just such a fantastic

1:14:20

hero he says yeah I give them

1:14:22

another year watch what happens and then

1:14:24

dynasty came out the first single was

1:14:26

disco I'm like you bastard how did you

1:14:28

know this How did you know this? And

1:14:31

you know, kids when they're 14,

1:14:33

that's the best part of the

1:14:35

innocent, that's the end of your

1:14:37

innocence, because you see things as

1:14:39

you ideally see them, and we just

1:14:42

thought, these guys are gods. Nothing could

1:14:44

be better than this. And, you

1:14:46

know, a couple years older, a

1:14:48

couple years wiser, can see a lot

1:14:50

more, you know, above the clouds, and

1:14:52

then I had a lot more respect

1:14:54

for the guy after that. But, you

1:14:56

know. It's all a matter of taste

1:14:58

anyway, you know, and it's fun to

1:15:00

rethink of those things because they kind

1:15:02

of matter now in you know in making

1:15:05

music and And interacting with

1:15:07

fans and fans look at my

1:15:09

career and they say like this year

1:15:11

I like the new stuff better or

1:15:13

and you have to understand why they

1:15:16

like this and why they like that

1:15:18

so it's really interesting to analyze your

1:15:20

own experiences about that Yeah, it is

1:15:22

and you know, there's some other stuff in

1:15:25

the book that I picked up on as

1:15:27

well that I was Yeah, I wasn't Again,

1:15:29

I could talk to you about it forever

1:15:31

because even took down some notes and

1:15:33

I don't have all the time of

1:15:35

the world But it's just really really

1:15:37

interesting things like when you auditioned I

1:15:39

didn't know that you auditioned For Ozzy

1:15:42

and that there was I guess some

1:15:44

talk about you auditioning for kiss at

1:15:46

one point and Madonna. Did I have

1:15:48

that right? Yeah, yeah,

1:15:50

I actually did audition for Ozzy

1:15:53

and that's all in there and

1:15:55

I got the call about auditioning for

1:15:57

Kiss but it never happened.

1:16:00

get this because I was

1:16:02

too short. Because I'm only

1:16:04

five seven and a half and

1:16:06

and now I agree with it

1:16:09

but at the time I was

1:16:11

just crushed you know at

1:16:13

the time I'm like I

1:16:15

would be the best kiss

1:16:17

guy and I would have

1:16:19

done it for nothing and

1:16:21

I'm sure Paul and Jean

1:16:24

would have took that into

1:16:26

consideration. I would have played

1:16:28

everything note for no. That was

1:16:30

my claim to fame when I was like

1:16:32

15. It's like, dude, this guy can play

1:16:34

every ace clearly solo, note for note. And

1:16:36

I had all the nuances down, I just

1:16:39

loved it. But they asked me all these

1:16:41

questions and I passed like with flying colors

1:16:43

until he asked how tall I was. And

1:16:45

like, now you got to be six feet

1:16:47

without shoes on. And that's not going to

1:16:49

happen. But at that time, I was like,

1:16:52

wow, that sucks. But now it's like,

1:16:54

how stupid would the frontline with the

1:16:56

frontline look with two giants and one

1:16:58

short guy. So now I understand it

1:17:00

as a person who's put together bands

1:17:03

and produced and all that, but

1:17:05

at the time I'm like, that's

1:17:07

just not fair, that's not fair,

1:17:09

that sucks, I can play better

1:17:11

than the other guys. But in

1:17:13

reality, playing really doesn't matter as

1:17:15

much as other things. And so

1:17:17

I wrote about that and Ozzy

1:17:19

was a similar reason. I played,

1:17:21

I guess I played okay, but

1:17:23

it just wasn't a good fit.

1:17:25

And that turned out best anyway

1:17:27

because Zach is with the guy

1:17:29

who they who eventually got the

1:17:31

gig and he did such a

1:17:34

fantastic job that you know I

1:17:36

understand that he was perfect for

1:17:38

that and even then they probably

1:17:40

auditioned a hundred guys after me

1:17:42

before they found Zach so uh

1:17:44

he was absolutely perfect for

1:17:47

that and Madonna never happened because

1:17:49

I got lucky and got into

1:17:51

Megadeth first but I was preparing

1:17:53

for a Madonna audition and and

1:17:56

learned a couple songs and all

1:17:58

that But yeah, that was the.

1:18:00

kind of things are all

1:18:02

in there in there Marty what's

1:18:04

interesting about the Madonna thing is

1:18:07

the interest even back then of

1:18:09

potentially having a very rock slash

1:18:11

metal guitar player in that music

1:18:13

because I don't know if you

1:18:15

know this but I know her

1:18:17

guitar player who's been with her

1:18:19

for a long time Monty Pittman

1:18:22

and he's a total metal guy

1:18:24

so that's that's always been interesting

1:18:26

to me that she she's wanted

1:18:28

that kind of a player Yeah,

1:18:31

I don't know, you know what he wound

1:18:33

up playing with her in Madonna. I've

1:18:35

met him a couple times, super guy,

1:18:38

super guitar player. I don't know when

1:18:40

he joined, but like at the time,

1:18:42

Madonna didn't have like much guitar in

1:18:44

her songs at all. Right. You know,

1:18:47

there's just some stuff kind of in

1:18:49

the background, but I was like borderline

1:18:51

homeless at the time, and I liked

1:18:54

her music, but it was like an

1:18:56

open call, you know, just a industry

1:18:58

thing. where they were just like combing

1:19:01

the area for guys looking for the

1:19:03

gig and I was preparing for that

1:19:05

but I probably wouldn't have got that

1:19:07

gig you know because I looked like

1:19:10

a metal dude and and there were

1:19:12

probably guys who could play that kind

1:19:14

of pop stuff with much more authority

1:19:17

than I could. But yeah I don't know why

1:19:19

they maybe they were looking for a metal

1:19:21

guy and maybe that's why Monti got it

1:19:23

but he's a stud man I totally get

1:19:25

why he would he would get a good

1:19:28

gig like that. You know another

1:19:30

thing in the book is you talk

1:19:32

about your history with with Jason Becker

1:19:34

and how Mike Varney brought Jason to

1:19:36

you and you were originally kind of

1:19:38

like, well, I'm making my own record

1:19:40

here, why don't have to listen to

1:19:42

this kid? And then you heard it

1:19:44

and then you, well, actually you started

1:19:46

working with him and then you realized

1:19:48

what he brought to the table. You

1:19:50

know, I am still in touch with

1:19:52

Jason and I try to help him

1:19:54

out whenever possible. I know they auctioned

1:19:56

off Eddie Van Halen guitar, which I

1:19:58

helped them push out. I am just

1:20:01

amazed at his perseverance

1:20:03

and his strength and

1:20:05

the people around him

1:20:07

and what he can

1:20:09

still do today and

1:20:11

how he battles. Did

1:20:13

you see that trait

1:20:15

in him even as

1:20:17

a kid before he

1:20:19

had this horrible disease?

1:20:21

I didn't see that

1:20:24

big perseverance thing. I

1:20:26

just saw like this guy

1:20:28

who grows at a monumental,

1:20:31

like a savant-like level of

1:20:33

growth. And I kind of

1:20:35

got into some detail in

1:20:37

the book about it, but

1:20:39

when I first heard his tape,

1:20:41

I was not impressed at all.

1:20:43

I was like, I was nonplussed.

1:20:45

I heard it was like,

1:20:47

well, pretty good for someone

1:20:50

who's 16. It doesn't mean that

1:20:52

you want to work with them

1:20:54

or buy their records or anything.

1:20:57

The song stunk. his guitar playing

1:20:59

was like pretty good for someone

1:21:01

who's 16 and really the only reason

1:21:03

I met with him is because Mike

1:21:05

Barney from Tropical Records was holding the

1:21:08

key to my solo record and you

1:21:10

know if Mike Barney says look I

1:21:12

want you to meet this guy I'm

1:21:14

not going to tell the president of

1:21:16

the record label I don't meet I

1:21:19

don't want to meet him I'm working

1:21:21

on my music because I got one

1:21:23

foot in the grave back then I

1:21:25

mean I was like I didn't want

1:21:27

to lose my record deal, so I

1:21:30

humored him. And even though I didn't

1:21:32

like his tape at all, I

1:21:34

met him and I fell deeply

1:21:36

in love with the guy the

1:21:38

first time we met. And he

1:21:41

was just the coolest dude.

1:21:43

And even though the material

1:21:45

on his tape was not

1:21:47

good, when he played in front

1:21:49

of me, I can tell he

1:21:52

had like this limited... ability

1:21:55

to do anything

1:21:58

that someone on

1:22:00

orthodox lines, he could just

1:22:02

not only mimic it, but

1:22:04

play it and understand it.

1:22:07

He wasn't like just spitting

1:22:09

out a Xerox copy. Even

1:22:11

if it was an unusual

1:22:14

concept, he could grasp it,

1:22:16

play it, and oftentimes play

1:22:19

it with more, with as much

1:22:21

or more finesse than I did.

1:22:23

And I'm like, this is an

1:22:25

amazing thing that you can do

1:22:27

here, man. He's like, wow, and

1:22:29

he was just so modest about

1:22:31

it, and then I started throwing

1:22:33

more difficult stuff at him, and he

1:22:36

was just nailing this stuff,

1:22:38

and it wasn't like my

1:22:40

stuff sounded like anybody else,

1:22:42

because I learned from strange

1:22:44

places, like modern classical music,

1:22:46

Strabinsky, and Persian music, and

1:22:49

Egyptian music, and Japanese, Chinese,

1:22:51

all that. But he was grasping, and

1:22:53

I'm like, man, this dude would be a good

1:22:55

guy to have on my team. And even

1:22:57

though he didn't contribute much

1:23:00

to the songwriting and the

1:23:02

first album, in the one

1:23:04

year between then and his

1:23:06

own first album, just one

1:23:08

year, who's 18 years old,

1:23:10

he'd written and recorded his

1:23:13

own album called perpetual burn,

1:23:15

which is a frigate masterpiece

1:23:18

of guitar work, that in

1:23:20

that one year's time... I've never

1:23:22

seen anyone in the world grow like

1:23:24

that. I mean, I was growing and

1:23:26

I'm still growing now, but I grow

1:23:28

at like a reasonable mortal

1:23:31

person's pace. I grow normally.

1:23:33

This dude was making leaps

1:23:35

and bounds and just like,

1:23:37

I couldn't believe what I

1:23:39

was seeing and so I was just

1:23:41

watching this wonderful thing blossom in front

1:23:44

of my eyes. And I was just

1:23:46

so glad that I had to

1:23:48

meet him because if I wasn't

1:23:50

in desperation, for my own record

1:23:52

to be released, I would have

1:23:54

heard the demo and tossed it. I

1:23:57

swear to God. So it's just one

1:23:59

of those... You never know where the

1:24:01

rough diamonds are laying in

1:24:03

your life, you know, sometimes it's

1:24:05

just all luck, man. Yeah, yeah, it's

1:24:07

a and his story today is still

1:24:09

amazing. It's just incredible how he

1:24:12

persevers and continues to fight the

1:24:14

As you mentioned this is really

1:24:16

the first time you open up

1:24:19

about everything in Megadeth because in

1:24:21

the past you didn't want to

1:24:23

talk about it even say in

1:24:26

the book when you first toured

1:24:28

you would you insisted in the

1:24:30

contracts that they didn't put former

1:24:33

Megadeth or Megadeth anywhere near your

1:24:35

name when you went out and

1:24:37

did your solo tours and all of

1:24:40

that. But I think the way you,

1:24:42

I think you, and look I know

1:24:44

Dave and I know David very well

1:24:46

and I think the way you handled

1:24:48

the whole Megadeth thing is very fair

1:24:51

and very balanced and you know you

1:24:53

call out your own stuff, you call

1:24:55

out everybody else's stuff, you talk about

1:24:57

the good, the bad, the publishing, the

1:24:59

writing, the writing. Was it difficult for

1:25:02

you to do that finally? Had you

1:25:04

kind of like wanted to suppress the

1:25:06

whole mega deaf thing that you're like,

1:25:08

but you kind of knew you

1:25:10

had to do it obviously because

1:25:12

it's your book? Right. Well, yeah,

1:25:14

it's definitely true that even

1:25:17

when I first started touring my

1:25:19

solo music, which is quite

1:25:21

some time ago, I made

1:25:23

it an extreme important point

1:25:25

within every contract that the word

1:25:27

Megadeth or X Megadeth is not

1:25:30

used anywhere and otherwise the show

1:25:32

is often there's a fine and

1:25:34

this I took very very seriously

1:25:37

and still do today it's in

1:25:39

every single contract of everything that

1:25:41

I do with my solo band

1:25:44

and it wasn't difficult to

1:25:46

write this Megadeth stuff because I knew

1:25:48

that I haven't spoken about it in

1:25:51

years but I know everything that happened

1:25:53

in my life with great clarity I

1:25:55

mean As you see in the book,

1:25:58

I stopped doing drugs when I was

1:26:00

17. drinking, no drugs, so like

1:26:02

everything is really clear in my

1:26:04

mind the things that happened. There's

1:26:06

no blurry periods of time in

1:26:09

there, it's all really clear. And

1:26:11

so I think what kind of

1:26:13

might have made it easier is

1:26:15

the fact that I've written everything

1:26:17

after I had played Budath Megadeth

1:26:19

in 2023. I had, of course,

1:26:22

a rough draft and manuscript of

1:26:24

the entire book before that, but,

1:26:26

you know, playing at Budapest and

1:26:28

meeting Dave there and playing it

1:26:30

together was a huge, huge load

1:26:33

off both of our backs. And

1:26:35

it was kind of a love

1:26:37

letter to each other, a celebration

1:26:39

of the history that we have

1:26:41

together and a huge... thank you

1:26:44

to the fans who didn't get

1:26:46

to see that in in you

1:26:48

know when it was originally booked

1:26:50

and sold out so it was

1:26:52

kind of very therapeutic to do

1:26:55

that show and it was like

1:26:57

just taking taking a huge dump

1:26:59

you know people put importance on

1:27:01

certain things you know it's only

1:27:03

one show but as you know

1:27:05

and and a lot of people

1:27:08

who know me know boudicon is

1:27:10

a very big It's kind of

1:27:12

a landmark in my life as

1:27:14

a music fan and as a

1:27:16

music player and every time that

1:27:19

I play there before flying with

1:27:21

Mega Day and since, it's just

1:27:23

a big deal because, you know,

1:27:25

it's one of those little kid

1:27:27

things, she's like, I want to

1:27:30

play at Buda Khan, it's my

1:27:32

dream. And so when those things

1:27:34

happen, it's big, you know, even

1:27:36

bigger than other things that saints

1:27:38

should be bigger. But anyway, having

1:27:41

that behind us, I was able

1:27:43

to really be straight. and not

1:27:45

pull any punches like you said

1:27:47

I uncovered everything all the stuff

1:27:49

that I did that wasn't so

1:27:51

cool and all the stuff that

1:27:54

everyone else did that wasn't so

1:27:56

cool and also said all the

1:27:58

cool things that everyone did which

1:28:00

thankfully far outweigh any uncool stuff.

1:28:02

I mean you don't want to

1:28:05

stay in a band for 10

1:28:07

years if things aren't cool and

1:28:09

I'll just go on record and

1:28:11

say it was a wonderful wonderful

1:28:13

experience but within any experience you

1:28:16

know like Megadeth especially you're in

1:28:18

a bubble. and you see the

1:28:20

band members in a more intimate

1:28:22

way than you do your even

1:28:24

your own family you know you're

1:28:27

not with your family 24 hours

1:28:29

a day 11 months out of

1:28:31

the year you know in bathrooms

1:28:33

and dressing rooms and hotels and

1:28:35

in gigs and everywhere so it's

1:28:37

a really deep relationships that things

1:28:40

are going to happen there's going

1:28:42

to be drama and so it

1:28:44

was kind of kind of fun

1:28:46

to think what fans are going

1:28:48

to find interesting and put that

1:28:51

in the book and there's a

1:28:53

lot of petty nonsense in there

1:28:55

as well and I found that

1:28:57

quite entertaining to write because it's

1:28:59

not the most important things but

1:29:02

I think it humanizes everybody and

1:29:04

you know petty little things that

1:29:06

we would bicker about and things

1:29:08

that blew up into big arguments

1:29:10

and things that didn't, things that

1:29:13

went well, things that didn't went

1:29:15

well, was a very, it's flat.

1:29:17

There's no like agenda, there's no

1:29:19

leaning left to right on it,

1:29:21

it's just exactly how I saw

1:29:24

it. And I think it's a

1:29:26

very big, long, fun part of

1:29:28

the book, and we'll answer a

1:29:30

lot of questions for the fans

1:29:32

of Megadeth and myself in that

1:29:34

band, because as you said, I've

1:29:37

always been very, not necessarily guarded,

1:29:39

but... not very sparing, not a

1:29:41

lot of private information out on

1:29:43

the out there. So it was

1:29:45

kind of fun to think of

1:29:48

the things that definitely nobody knows

1:29:50

and definitely. know probably the band

1:29:52

guys all remember for sure but

1:29:54

like not things that have been

1:29:56

in interviews and stuff like that.

1:29:59

Yeah I was the one thing

1:30:01

that I was really surprised I

1:30:03

mean you go album through album

1:30:05

album to album with Megadeth in

1:30:07

that period of the book but

1:30:10

the the one record that is

1:30:12

the often maligned Megadeth record was

1:30:14

the last one you made risk

1:30:16

And you talk about that, and

1:30:18

one of the things I did

1:30:20

not know at that time is

1:30:23

what you were going through at

1:30:25

that time. You talk about in

1:30:27

detail this debilitating panic attack that

1:30:29

you had, and that the only

1:30:31

thing that you could do beyond

1:30:34

mustering the energy to get on

1:30:36

stage was you would have to

1:30:38

take these hour-long baths and eat

1:30:40

grilled chicken sandwiches. It's just, it's

1:30:42

not, like, did you ever get

1:30:45

to the bottom? of what triggered

1:30:47

that like because it was that

1:30:49

was like next level debilitating the

1:30:51

way it comes off in the

1:30:53

book i mean people i know

1:30:56

have panic attacks the next day

1:30:58

they're better and a few hours

1:31:00

they're better but this thing like

1:31:02

really like set you off for

1:31:04

a long time was it just

1:31:06

being in the band what did

1:31:09

you ever get to the root

1:31:11

of what caused it yeah it

1:31:13

set me off for like a

1:31:15

whole year and it was after

1:31:17

I had announced that I quit

1:31:20

the band to the band, it

1:31:22

wasn't announced in public or anything,

1:31:24

but it was announced to the

1:31:26

band. So like I was gonna

1:31:28

finish out the tour we were

1:31:31

on. And then once the tour

1:31:33

was gonna take a break, I

1:31:35

was gonna leave and they're gonna

1:31:37

find another guy. But you know,

1:31:39

all the gory details are in

1:31:42

there, but to sum it up,

1:31:44

I had this, I didn't know

1:31:46

it was a panic attack at

1:31:48

the time, but. It was a

1:31:50

monster. I'd never have any issues

1:31:52

with any kind of mental issues

1:31:55

or psychological issues or health issues

1:31:57

at all. Suddenly I was in

1:31:59

the ER and I was just

1:32:01

freaking. out completely. I couldn't move,

1:32:03

I was screaming, I was showering.

1:32:06

I was out of nowhere, dude,

1:32:08

it was just out of

1:32:10

nowhere. I had no idea

1:32:12

what it was, and I had

1:32:14

to figure out a way

1:32:16

to continue the tour in

1:32:18

that condition, and I

1:32:21

couldn't walk without two

1:32:23

people carrying me

1:32:25

around. I'm cutting out a

1:32:27

lot of the details here

1:32:29

because it's impossible to shorten

1:32:31

it, but I was on

1:32:33

so many anti-depression things

1:32:35

and muscle relaxers and

1:32:38

all kinds of different

1:32:41

drugs just to keep me

1:32:43

from going completely mad. And

1:32:46

then I found that if

1:32:48

I ate like these grilled

1:32:50

chicken sandwiches, that sort of...

1:32:52

sort of helped and the only

1:32:55

thing other that helped was like

1:32:57

staying in a hot bathtub for

1:32:59

like hours on end. So what

1:33:01

I would do, it was such a

1:33:03

horrible thing and I cringe when

1:33:06

I think about it because I

1:33:08

put the staffs, the band, and

1:33:10

everyone around me in such

1:33:12

a horrible situation, but I

1:33:15

wasn't going to do anything

1:33:17

without being in a friggin'

1:33:19

bathtub all day. and being shuttled

1:33:22

around like a friggin'

1:33:24

diva, you know, people would

1:33:26

take me to eat and I would

1:33:28

like go off on the waiters

1:33:30

and stuff and it's so

1:33:33

unlike me. I was a

1:33:35

completely different person and you

1:33:38