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Hello and welcome to this

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week's episode of the Edges

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and Sledges Cricket podcast. We

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are all together, all three of us

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are on, on a historic day,

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as New Zealand has just

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completed a 3-0 whitewash against

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India. at home. Varun, I

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don't, you were not last week,

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DJ, and I got to Chad,

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I said, man, after two zero,

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it was cathartic to at least

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relive it. I'm not mentally

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ready to relive yet another

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loss. And at the end

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of that episode, we were

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already talking about border Gavaskar

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and stuff, and DJ I think

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it was like, man, have you

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thought about what happens if we

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don't win the third test? 0-3

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to a New Zealand team who had

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just lost in Sri Lanka in

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India. No, I was shocked. I

1:00

was pretty shocked last Saturday when

1:02

things went down and then Rowhead

1:05

came on and said, you know,

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we're allowed to lose at home and

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we've won 12 years in the row,

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so we're allowed to lose. and I

1:14

was I was shocked with that but

1:16

I just thought Bombay they're gonna come

1:18

back win it and the beauty about

1:20

the world test championship is you kind

1:23

of forget about series right because where

1:25

it's at is you're seven months away

1:27

and you're like India needs four wins

1:29

to make it to not be dependent

1:32

on other results we've got one in

1:34

Mumbai we'll get three in Australia at

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least a crack and have three and

1:38

then this happens and it almost feels

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like we haven't played out the scenarios

1:42

and done the math yet but it

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almost feels like a month ago India

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and Australia were in the final of

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this World Test Championship. Today it feels

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like only one of them is going

1:53

to be a part of that final and

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for me personally just the way India has

1:58

played in the last month has just

2:00

been terrible so I have very

2:02

little hope and faith in the

2:04

Australia series now but yeah let's

2:06

we'll get into it DJ if

2:09

the glasses have full or every

2:11

cloud has a silver lining or

2:13

however you want to say it this

2:15

means we have our best chance at

2:17

not losing a WTC final yeah

2:19

I suppose so if you're not part

2:22

of it I can't lose if you

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don't play yeah that was hard It

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took me a moment to register. I've

2:29

just been in shock for the last

2:31

two weeks. I know I wish we

2:33

could have captured the energy you brought

2:36

to the like 30 seconds before you

2:38

hit that record button because it's been

2:40

a tough week even while celebrating the

2:43

valley to have to come straight off

2:45

of the highs of that and watch

2:47

this team. Anyway, go ahead. Yeah, it's

2:49

been a tough week. We've lost zero

2:51

three. And I know Varani predicted

2:53

3-0, but I'm pretty sure that

2:56

was in favor of India, not

2:58

in favor of New Zealand at

3:00

the start of this test series.

3:02

Of course, Rishapant hasn't been retained

3:05

by the Delhi capitals. I'm not

3:07

really sure. I want to talk

3:09

about IPL attentions. We will eventually,

3:11

but it's all a very spin-a-strange

3:14

week. There's a lot of chat

3:16

before this test about India's preparations

3:18

to play the spinners. at Mumbai,

3:21

another three-day test match.

3:23

Yes, we lost, we lost by

3:25

25 runs, but really, I mean,

3:27

if we had somehow managed to

3:29

pull out yet another miracle, which

3:32

we did regularly with Akshar and

3:34

Ashwin and Chadija, coming down the

3:36

order, remember, if we had managed

3:38

to score the final 25 runs,

3:41

I don't think the underlying issues

3:43

which now have become clear to

3:45

a lot of Indian fan, which

3:47

probably weren't clear. to a lot

3:50

of an impact including us before

3:52

the series. Yeah, we need to

3:54

ask those questions which everybody

3:56

is asking the question

3:58

around Rohit. goalie Ashwin Janija,

4:01

bought a Gavaskar world test

4:03

championship final. It's going to be

4:05

a tough week for Indian cricket fan,

4:07

then it's going to be a tough

4:09

lead into the BGT because you'd expect

4:11

to have gone into it on a

4:13

high. The whole chat, as you said,

4:15

was cement your spot in the world

4:17

test championship final and have a bit

4:19

of fun in Australia, try and get

4:21

your third test series win in a

4:24

row. But Ashwin, and I remember, I

4:26

mentioned that 2011, was a pretty tough

4:28

year for Indian cricket. But we

4:30

won a World Cup in 2011.

4:32

We've lost the test series

4:35

in England and Australia, 8-0 that

4:37

year. And now we won

4:39

a World Cup in 2024

4:41

and we've lost a home

4:43

test series for the first time

4:46

ever. A test series more

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than two test matches. We've

4:50

been swept, we've been

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clean swept by an

4:54

unfancy Kane Williams and

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less team. I don't know, did

4:58

he, did what do we know about

5:01

Will Young before this, this theory? Darryl

5:03

Mitchell with New Magic T20, Chennai Super

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Game. And like, this is not an

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expected result for a team of India's

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stature. It's a shocking result. Yeah, I

5:12

mean, you mentioned Will Young, it's a,

5:14

go ahead. Darl Mitchell said, if you

5:17

all saw it at the post match,

5:19

he said, we're just a bunch of

5:21

TV's looking to take on the world,

5:23

right, right? That sums up kind of

5:25

what DJ is saying. It's a handful

5:28

of people who play the sport in

5:30

New Zealand, but they have kind of

5:32

created havoc in the last 10 years

5:34

in cricket, and this feels to be

5:36

like the cherry on the cake. Yeah,

5:38

they've especially rigged havoc on Indian cricket,

5:40

you can argue, right? I mean, in

5:42

general, but especially it feels like it

5:44

comes heavy, right? Yeah. It just especially

5:47

feels like an intricate is born in

5:49

the Brent. But let me quickly ask

5:51

you before we get... kind of into

5:53

the depths of the match etc. or yeah

5:55

the third match the world has championship

5:57

added that extra context right we've

5:59

But cricket being such a, such a

6:02

fickle kind of momentum driven sport, we

6:04

went from saying, like DJ said, three

6:06

zero ideally against New Zealand and then

6:08

going to Australia with some buffer. We're

6:10

now sitting here saying, four zero. is

6:13

at least a minimum you need to

6:15

win against Australia, which is a pipe

6:17

dream. Let's call a spade a spade

6:19

and five zero cement your spot. You

6:21

could have a situation where India beats

6:23

Australia four one and still doesn't make

6:26

the world a championship final. So the

6:28

added context has helped. Do you think

6:30

further than there was a layer of

6:32

added kind of pressure? I don't think

6:34

so, not in an India test. I

6:37

think you, when you went into the

6:39

series, all of us were saying 300,

6:41

we had messages from everyone to kind

6:43

of telling us that, so these three

6:45

Indians won, now what do they need

6:47

to do? And so I think it

6:50

was more overconfidence than pressure. I think

6:52

the third game as well, like, there

6:54

is just no business for India to

6:56

have lost 300. So I still don't

6:58

think there's the pressure of the World

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Test Championship that drove this. I just

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think. it created a lot of bigger

7:05

issues and you know we should all

7:07

be reading about these kind of numbers

7:09

and stats but if you think about

7:12

it India's top four have not done

7:14

anything for four years it has been

7:16

a disaster there is only at the

7:18

Rishapant five Jadou and Ashwin six seven

7:20

kind of level that that they have

7:22

saved us time and again and Aksh

7:25

like DJ said so the top four

7:27

for a long time has been a

7:29

problem. Yeah, actually, and since you mentioned

7:31

that, do you think there's an element,

7:33

this sounds such a negative thing to

7:36

say. So I don't want to ask

7:38

you because DJ and I chatted this

7:40

a little last week, but do you

7:42

think there's an element of that five,

7:44

six, seven, eight have been protecting us?

7:46

Bumra, bowling, Ali Pope has been, like

7:49

all of these moments have saved us

7:51

or delivered miracles and it didn't today,

7:53

but do you think there's an element

7:55

of the fact that had Risha not

7:57

been given out and we'll talk about

8:00

this match with the one-k-day, but had

8:02

he got them across the finish line,

8:04

he would have masked a little bit

8:06

of how bad. I mean, even if

8:08

Risha won this match was we were

8:10

29 for five on a day three

8:13

pitch in the one-kada, we have no

8:15

business doing that. We have no business

8:17

doing that. We have no business doing

8:19

that. Do you think it's doing that.

8:21

the short-term pain we're all feeling today

8:24

is probably for the medium long-term best

8:26

that it is forced us to reckon

8:28

with these questions as a test site.

8:30

I think so because I do think

8:32

that change doesn't happen overnight right especially

8:34

not with these kind of stalwart names

8:37

so I think what's going to happen

8:39

is that very realistically we're not going

8:41

to win four tests in Australia right

8:43

so we do in one day we've

8:45

never done that. I think that's the

8:48

understatement of the year. Yeah, I mean,

8:50

I think the odds, if I can

8:52

bet somehow. Talk about managing expectations. But

8:54

it's like, cooperatize that whole like. Somebody

8:56

said, by the way, I think I

8:58

saw it somewhere, if you had bet

9:01

in New Zealand to beat. India 300

9:03

in India if you'd bet a hundred

9:05

bucks or something you would have been

9:07

a multi-millionaire. Yeah I mean it must

9:09

have been over like 90 to 1

9:12

odds I'm guessing. I guess we'd want

9:14

to like encourage betting on this podcast

9:16

because that's not what we're doing. But

9:18

at this point I think one or

9:20

two your statement if we bet the

9:23

line on India will not win for

9:25

tested Australia I think I've paid a

9:27

hundred bucks I may get a hundred

9:29

and one back. Exactly! So what I'm

9:31

saying is is that with that with

9:33

that out of the picture I think

9:36

you go and you play this and

9:38

you try to create a legacy to

9:40

say we've drawn it or we've won

9:42

it three times in a row and

9:44

you leave it at that and you

9:47

slowly started rebuilding the team because the

9:49

Australia series is done but come January

9:51

next year I think I think they're

9:53

gonna start rebuilding. Now, interesting question to

9:55

both of you. Nobody's talking about going

9:57

to be in any of this. Does

10:00

he just get a free pass because

10:02

he's new? Because I don't recall Shastri

10:04

and Drawe getting a free pass. Or

10:06

the rumor is, is that he's like,

10:08

listen, I am just dealing with what

10:11

we give it to me. You give

10:13

me a free hand and I will

10:15

change this. line up right so it's

10:17

just interesting no I think the question

10:19

means the question is to draw parallels

10:21

to our world and I think many

10:24

of our listeners are living in our

10:26

world it's like your first year in

10:28

a new job you kind of you're

10:30

inheriting what you got you use it

10:32

as a time to reset the basis

10:35

they called you say listen if it's

10:37

bad it's not on me but then

10:39

I can start from scratch. and build

10:41

back. No, no, we should talk about

10:43

the test match, which we will, I'm

10:45

sure, and the like 15 minutes of

10:48

bad cricket on day one that we

10:50

had to destroy any chance we had

10:52

to do. But like, maybe we should

10:54

get into the big question first, right?

10:56

Like, the restructuring of Indian cricket, what

10:59

is it actually going to look like?

11:01

Because if we don't make this world

11:03

as championship final. I

11:05

can't see a long-term future for either

11:07

Rohit, Koli, Ashwin or frankly even Jadeja

11:09

in this side. I mean, Bumra is

11:12

going to be around. We should talk

11:14

that because who are the replacements? Do

11:16

these guys play domestic cricket? What is

11:18

the answer to this? Because like the

11:20

top four as Warren said has, I

11:23

have done literally almost nothing. I mean,

11:25

to your question, Ash is 38, Jade

11:27

is just 35, so Jade actually may

11:29

have a little bit longer left in

11:31

him, but I'm with you. There's no

11:34

long-term left when it comes to Rohit

11:36

Koliash, Jade Jade, Jade, Jade, I think,

11:38

about onto your question, it's, does it,

11:40

does the road come to an end

11:42

in January? I think England, I think

11:44

England comes to India and January, does

11:47

it, does it, does it end then,

11:49

or does it end at the end

11:51

at the end at the end at

11:53

the end at the end at the

11:55

end at the end at the end

11:58

at the end at the end at

12:00

the end of this world as world

12:02

as world as World Test Championship Championship

12:04

Championship Championship Championship Championship Championship Championship Championship,

12:06

coming for tests, coming for tests, coming

12:09

for tests, coming for tests, coming for

12:11

tests, coming for tests, I mean for

12:13

tests, I mean for tests, I mean,

12:15

I mean, I mean, I mean, I

12:17

mean, I mean, I mean, I mean,

12:20

I mean Oh, yeah, of course. Because

12:22

otherwise your equation would change right massively.

12:24

India has a tour of England this

12:26

next summer in 2025. After the World

12:28

Test Championship final, which I mean the

12:30

whole point. Yeah, you're right. No, they

12:33

play. They play. They play five tests.

12:35

But you're right. Sorry, five T20s, three

12:37

ODIs and then the India's next schedule

12:39

tests are in June. So you're right.

12:41

Exactly. Because you got champion trophies. So

12:44

I've come, 10 second or third, everything's

12:46

shifting to ODI. Right. But yeah, so

12:48

I do think to the religious point,

12:50

I think you've got the Sundars of

12:52

the world, you've got Akshar Patel, you've

12:55

got two guys ready. I think... And

12:57

Akshar is younger than Jadeja, right, Ashwood?

12:59

Just, he's a few years younger, five,

13:01

six years younger, maybe twenty years younger.

13:03

Yeah, yeah, a hundred percent. Let's check

13:06

his age. He's 30, yeah, five years

13:08

younger. And so yeah, you weren't, you

13:10

could replace like for like the Ash

13:12

injured age, 7 and 8 with Akshar

13:14

and Sundar. And a leap is still

13:16

around us at third option. Yeah. So

13:19

that's what I'm saying. It's like for

13:21

like. Then I think you're, you got

13:23

to watch guys like Cy Sudarshar, right?

13:25

coming up. Eastwaram. Subdarshan in the Australia

13:27

image. Gil can drop straight to 4,

13:30

which I think his is preferred battingiting

13:32

to Jesswal is solid. Gaiquard is there.

13:34

Paniqal has done well, but not enough.

13:36

But what I'm saying is there are

13:38

guys. The problem is just what's going

13:41

to happen in January. Everyone's going to

13:43

forget about this. And then on 15th

13:45

of June, before the test series in

13:47

England, they're going to say, oh, do

13:49

we want to go without Koli and

13:51

Rojit to England and play in the

13:54

conditions there? And then again, this thing

13:56

is going to be going to be

13:58

showing it. It's been two years. Yeah,

14:00

but it's great, but it is, but

14:02

I mean, there's two ways this could

14:05

go, right? Like, one, you go down

14:07

under, let's be clear, Rohit may not

14:09

play the first test in Australia for

14:11

family reason, but he will captain in

14:13

Australia. So I can't see an immediate

14:16

sack incoming on that. All the bishops

14:18

in Bery when they kind of last

14:20

time failed to win a test much

14:22

like this was sacked and it ended

14:24

his career. He was captain last time.

14:27

This kind of thing happened really. So

14:29

there's two ways. One, you win the

14:31

border government trophy and with that I

14:33

think you save the captaincy of Roit

14:35

and the career of Cooley has a

14:37

batter. Test, test, because we should get

14:40

into it, but there is real pressure

14:42

now on Coley at four to deliver

14:44

those runs. It's been three test matches

14:46

and he hasn't done that. But if

14:48

they lose, then you're basically planning for

14:51

the next cycle. So that's a 2027

14:53

cycle, right? So I actually can't see

14:55

us carrying both Rojith and Coley over

14:57

the over the summer if we don't

14:59

make this world test championship final. I

15:02

think. I think. Let me ask and

15:04

we will get into the match I

15:06

promise for let me ask you one

15:08

more for people who've listened to us

15:10

For a while now that I tend

15:13

to drop parallels with the other sport

15:15

I watched the most which is tennis

15:17

this year Going to the Olympics Novak

15:19

Jokovich had the had won everything he

15:21

was possibly to win except an Olympic

15:23

gold medal and you could almost see

15:26

he left everything out there got the

15:28

win And now all the questions are

15:30

like, great, he's still phenomenal as a

15:32

player, but does he have that motivation

15:34

left? He's got nothing kind of left

15:37

to prove, nothing left to win. It's

15:39

wrong, that's maybe the same parallel, but

15:41

is there an element post the T20

15:43

World Cup win? Especially when with five

15:45

overs left, it actually looked like we

15:48

were going to lose it. And we

15:50

pulled it out and won, and that

15:52

moment where Roeth was lying flat on

15:54

the ground, and Colian Roeth hugged, is

15:56

there a moment and they retired immediately

15:59

from the foreman? Is there a moment

16:01

where they just left it out there?

16:03

And now there's, it's hard to like

16:05

find that motivation again, especially so soon

16:07

after? Yeah, firstly, you talked about Rowett

16:09

lying on the ground and eating the

16:12

grass and the mitti. Like, he shouldn't

16:14

be eating the mitti today. So you

16:16

should be. Metaphorically they ate the mity

16:18

because Buriland kicked it in their face.

16:20

Metaphorically he probably shouldn't be eating some

16:23

vegetables to slip down a little bit

16:25

and he couldn't bend over and he

16:27

could sweep. Eating mity when you whipped

16:29

like you should have been like on

16:31

the ground today but and I have

16:34

totally forgot your question. Right. No, but

16:36

I think I think the pressure is

16:38

the motivation gone. Like is it hard

16:40

to even even Robin said, like you

16:42

had one left to Cody, right? Because

16:45

Cody has won everything else. I just,

16:47

surprisingly, I do think that this team

16:49

is better suited to Australian pitches than

16:51

Indian pitches to me, right? True. It

16:53

just. It just feels like that. So

16:55

I'm just, I'm not, my statement really

16:58

was not doing it. I was just

17:00

saying we're not going to win and

17:02

we can't do well. But it is

17:04

looking like the end of the road

17:06

because to me what this milestones of

17:09

like. finals and stuff have done is

17:11

it's given you opportunities to rebuild right

17:13

it's given players opportunities to assess do

17:15

I want to be here this is

17:17

what's happening even with the IPL option

17:20

that we'll talk about like can you

17:22

commit to being in the cycle for

17:24

three years and giving it to a

17:26

hundred percent and then I will retain

17:28

right that's that's what these things do

17:31

as a player I think I mean

17:33

Colley is going to believe till the

17:35

day he dies that he can hit

17:37

another six of Harris Ralph. He's going

17:39

to bet on his core strength to

17:41

do that, but at some point you

17:44

just have to walk away. Yeah, and

17:46

let's get into the match, but DJ,

17:48

just last quick stat I'll share, because

17:50

you mentioned kind of, it's been trending

17:52

downwards, right? It's not that we've been

17:55

playing phenomenally and then woke up one

17:57

day and we had a bad series.

17:59

It wasn't 15 minutes of bad cricket.

18:01

It's a cumulative 15, 20, 30, 45

18:03

minutes of bad cricket that keep kind

18:06

of adding on. But I looked up

18:08

and Colley has 29. Colley has 29.

18:10

test centuries. 27 of them came before

18:12

2019. Right, in the last five years,

18:14

counting 20, where there was limited test,

18:16

quickly, on the bid three tests then,

18:19

he scored two tests, two centuries, both

18:21

of which came last year. His average

18:23

is 48.32, but in 2020, his average

18:25

was 19. In 21, it was 28.

18:27

Then it was 26. Then last year,

18:30

he had a better year, averaged 55.

18:32

And this year so far in 10

18:34

innings is average 27. So you're seeing

18:36

it, right? If you average 40 years

18:38

over your career and you have averaged

18:41

in the 20s three of the last

18:43

four years or below four of the

18:45

last five years, it's just not there

18:47

anymore. Yeah, but it's also a function

18:49

of he didn't get. So I don't

18:52

want to make excuses for him, right?

18:54

Because he's had an awful series and

18:56

frankly his dismissal in the first innings

18:58

here. from Coley for a really long

19:00

time. He missed a bloody full-toss on

19:02

the Second Testament and I still think

19:05

that this is worse than that getting

19:07

run out in the last five minutes

19:09

of the day. Ridiculous. It's been a

19:11

function of the pitches he's played on

19:13

that he's ordered in some cases from

19:16

2021 onwards. They've been square turners and

19:18

I don't know whether anybody is really

19:20

done well on those tracks to be

19:22

honest. He missed out on the five

19:24

best for best batting tracks. of this

19:27

year when he didn't play against England

19:29

because of family reasons? Of course. The

19:31

problem with all of this is, right?

19:33

Like, so where do you see this

19:35

changing? Where is Koli going to go

19:38

back? And let's get into it. Then

19:40

we should talk about each of them.

19:42

We should talk about Rojit. I didn't,

19:44

the nudge concerns for me from Jesua,

19:46

Leungil, Gil, because they've actually been the

19:48

saving grace here. Runji trophy cricket and

19:51

fix the problem against spin because there

19:53

is a problem against spin. He's getting

19:55

out to spin, getting out to mediocre

19:57

spinners in some cases. Like Mitchell Sand.

19:59

and a jazz Patel should not be

20:02

getting one of who's supposed to be

20:04

one of the better battles in the

20:06

world outright. He's not going to go

20:08

back to domestic cricket. Let's be clear

20:10

about. I don't think he has the

20:13

time or the energy to do that.

20:15

So if that's going to be the

20:17

case, you're only committing to play abroad

20:19

basically. And so that's where it turns

20:21

for me. You're going to score the

20:24

runs in Australia which you have. He

20:26

scored four centuries and one two or

20:28

once. scored a 100 at Perth once,

20:30

I can score the runs in England.

20:32

Yeah, but the home problem doesn't go

20:34

away. So people that are scoring runs

20:37

at home should be given a shot

20:39

there, right? Because you can't carry superstars

20:41

forever. You can't let them, and I'm

20:43

a big goalie fan, man, but there

20:45

is something going on. The way he

20:48

got run out desperately in the first

20:50

innings sent a signal to me, which

20:52

was like, there is something not right

20:54

there. Farron, can

20:56

I just ask you, I'm not, we're

20:59

not going to go through this whole

21:01

match, A, it's too painful, B, we

21:03

want to talk about the existential questions,

21:05

but let me just ask you about,

21:07

on day one of a test match,

21:10

when you dismiss New Zealand for 235-ish,

21:12

Rowhead got out, before we could sell

21:14

to Pace, two of them, Rowhead to

21:16

Mad Henry. He just, he can't seem

21:18

to help himself, but fine. Jesswell then,

21:21

with, I think it was like two

21:23

or three, two or three, two-two-two-two-two-two-two-two-ish-ish-over-over-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a Again,

21:25

I've made this joke before, I'm a

21:27

terrible cricket player myself, but even I

21:30

know that when the ball is coming,

21:32

kind of outside your leg stump, it's

21:34

a great ball for a sweep. Ball

21:36

bounced, pitched outside his leg stump, and

21:38

he was reverse sweeping. So an absolutely

21:41

horrendous premeditated shot, again, for a guy

21:43

who's at a decent series, gets bold,

21:45

for a momotard boxing, and two down,

21:47

and first baller, not only does he

21:49

get out, I would be the ball.

21:52

It's hitting the bottom part of the

21:54

middle stump. And he wished to review

21:56

for height. He was like, yes. hit

21:58

him above the knee roll, but he

22:00

was so far forward that his knee

22:03

was almost at the ground, like his

22:05

back knee. Anyway, just, was that, was,

22:07

was that just telling about our whole

22:09

side? So the whole thing was telling,

22:12

right? The first thing you mentioned is,

22:14

Jesswell, reverse, we've been, there's two of

22:16

us left guys, you just gotta be

22:18

better, right, given what has happened in

22:20

the last three weeks, just be better,

22:23

be more aware. And like, another thing

22:25

is, you know, you know, game awareness

22:27

since I just mentioned the word aware

22:29

like Akash deep in that second inning

22:31

when Washington Sundar was batting the other

22:34

and we had a lead of 30

22:36

odd we needed another 20 which by

22:38

the way was the difference between the

22:40

two sides Akash deep is turning and

22:43

going for a for a double race

22:45

like zero game awareness so I think

22:47

Jesswell needs to work on that and

22:49

Jesswell, I think, hasn't realized yet how

22:51

important he is to this site. Because

22:54

he's young, right? He's like, I'm a

22:56

man, but chow. Yeah. And so from

22:58

the day he debuted in Fab, to

23:00

today, he is like a tenured top

23:02

six. I mean, is he the second

23:05

name on your top six today after

23:07

Risham? Yeah, yeah, he definitely is. He's

23:09

actually the first name for me. I

23:11

mean, I don't think you could go

23:13

ahead and rush up. I mean, not

23:16

badding order, he's the first name is

23:18

Bobra, but even Sirad is in the

23:20

top six nowadays. But anyway, coming to

23:22

Sirad, again, it's a mindset thing, right?

23:25

Like, Coley was standing there, pared up,

23:27

I don't know if you guys saw

23:29

him, he was standing there, and he

23:31

was like, you know signals to Coli

23:33

and it wasn't about Jolie Colchier anything

23:36

like it's not something for Coli to

23:38

get excited for he's a signal to

23:40

Sinaj to go in wait I missed

23:42

that is that pretty clear that that

23:44

was a computer call in order Rahit

23:47

or Coli? Yeah it looked it looked

23:49

very interesting I don't want to like

23:51

blame Gambia for it sure sure yeah

23:53

it looked Why? We want to blame

23:56

someone. We have to find some Mujurms

23:58

of this match. And so Gambiyi sent

24:00

Siraj out, which by the way is

24:02

a lame decision, but it shows you

24:04

his mind space. He's like, if Koli

24:07

gets out today, we've lost this game.

24:09

And that's exactly what happened. It's just

24:11

these moments of chaos. We've lost, I

24:13

think, six runs for an average of

24:15

30 runs, like four or five times

24:18

this season. That's the collapse right so

24:20

yeah I think so I was just

24:22

in disbelief that he got out and

24:24

I don't know it was just just

24:26

showed me the mindset of the I

24:29

just don't think there's a place for

24:31

a night watchman number 11 anymore like

24:33

it would have been a different decision

24:35

to say send ash up the order

24:38

or send jadej up the order to

24:40

have well yes I've just had a

24:42

thought Like, do you think Sirad said,

24:44

yeah, I'm bowling there, I'm combating there

24:46

though. You think that's what happens? I

24:49

want to do something. He did nothing,

24:51

the whole test series. Yeah. I mean,

24:53

that's the only logical explanation, right? Like,

24:55

he's like, no, I'm going to bat.

24:57

Like, what? Like, Australia has done away

25:00

with the night watchman. England have a

25:02

guy that hit six as a night

25:04

watcher or as a night watcher or

25:06

whatever they call them. and we are

25:09

sending Siraj Bai who's not only getting

25:11

out on the first part but eating

25:13

a review alongside. Yeah, what frustrates me

25:15

is you only have two guys in

25:17

this team who can't really bet. You

25:20

could have sent anybody from five through

25:22

nine ahead of Coli if your goal

25:24

was to protect Coli and just change

25:26

your batting order a little, but you

25:28

chose to send a number 10 and

25:31

of course you got anyone. DJ last

25:33

thought on that on this this passage

25:35

of play. You and I talked a

25:37

lot about about how Varadon Pan Panthan

25:39

Panth in the second test in the

25:42

second test. The ball goes behind Verat,

25:44

Punt at the non-strikeers, and it is

25:46

Punt's call. Verat set off, Punt didn't

25:48

send him back. And there's a little

25:51

bit of who's going to send Verat

25:53

back when he calls for a single

25:55

and all that. Fine. Punt got run

25:57

out, not great. This time ball goes

25:59

to Mid-On. Right? Verat hits the ball

26:02

to Mid-On. Early, I think it was

26:04

his fourth ball or something. And he

26:06

said- He just hit a full toss

26:08

for- So he got- The Danger ball

26:10

had been dealt with. He'd actually hit

26:13

it to the fielder. The fielder would

26:15

go over it. He was sitting and

26:17

fielder over it. Coli was like, yeah,

26:19

I've dealt with the Danger ball. Man,

26:22

the next ball, I think is one

26:24

of the lowest point. So he hits

26:26

it to mid-on and sets off for

26:28

a single. It's nobody's nobody to blame

26:30

except him. It's all you're trying to

26:33

do is get through. I mean, if

26:35

you're not trying to just get through

26:37

to the close of play, you wouldn't

26:39

have sent Saraj. Right? You can't have

26:41

both ways. If your goal is not

26:44

just to try to get to the

26:46

end of day one, you wouldn't have

26:48

sent Saraj. Right? You can't have both

26:50

ways. If your goal is a little

26:53

bit of... I want to say it's

26:55

a little bit of... I think it's

26:57

a little bit of... I don't think

26:59

he's slowed down in terms of speed.

27:01

I don't think five years ago, Coli

27:04

would have made that. It was just

27:06

an objectively bad call. It's a non-existent

27:08

run. Yeah. It's because of the pressure.

27:10

It's all the stuff that's gone on

27:12

before Siraj going in. Then he has

27:15

to anyway go in the next ball.

27:17

It's just stuff. And he's dealt with

27:19

that long hop or full toss. I

27:21

think Ravindra was hit it through Midwicket.

27:23

And then, yes, he's fit, but that's

27:26

no, that's not a run. That one

27:28

of the, you can't see Steve Smith

27:30

or I don't know, Ken Williamson or

27:32

Babarazam's drop, or you can't see, maybe

27:35

it's a Babarazam type of move. The,

27:37

like, your team is completely on top.

27:39

You're one of the best batters in

27:41

the world. You need to score first

27:43

innings runs because that is where that

27:46

test match had to be one. You've

27:48

lost two wicketsits in the last five

27:50

minutes. It's a bonkers run to try

27:52

and take. It's just, who am I

27:54

to tell coolly about running between the

27:57

wickets? But he involved in two runouts

27:59

in the last two. games like you're

28:01

something scrambled there like what what are

28:03

you trying to do it's not like

28:06

you're trying to like change the field

28:08

or get an advantage bring the field

28:10

and you're not trying to rotate the

28:12

strike you know it's not trying to

28:14

do any of those things you're just

28:17

trying to get through to the end

28:19

of days play and either you that's

28:21

a leg stump half-folly and you flick

28:23

it through midweek for four which is

28:25

coley a ball would have probably done

28:28

that or you just block it and

28:30

you say no you say no you

28:32

say Matt had picked it up one

28:34

one but what a bonus wicket it's

28:36

not like he's batting with the tail

28:39

Shumman Gil is at the other end

28:41

right like it's nonsense I saw that

28:43

again he hesitated before taking the rod

28:45

like he took a step and yeah

28:48

and when he saw Collego he said

28:50

okay it's your call it's your call

28:52

it's your call right Paul's behind me

28:54

it's so frustrating and it's one of

28:56

the worst I've seen Colle get run

28:59

out before we've seen Colle and Rogin

29:01

get run out before ending up at

29:03

the same end we've seen Collead and

29:05

Adelaide get run out by Rahane with

29:07

not Colle's fault we've seen him run

29:10

Richard Pantout Dilla those are all kind

29:12

of you get it's just this was

29:14

this it's just a lack of But

29:16

it can't be a lack of match.

29:19

He's played like 500 games. Like it's

29:21

a brain fade in that moment and

29:23

it's that constant brain fade that you're

29:25

not going to win test matches if

29:27

you're giving away top four wickets like

29:30

that. It was a shocking way to

29:32

lose a test match wicket, let alone

29:34

one of the wickets that you think

29:36

is going to like give you first

29:38

innings runs. I mean. That was a

29:41

low point for me as a goalie

29:43

fan of taste. The Aristotle's Six that

29:45

we've talked about is his high point,

29:47

man. Like, this was a real, real

29:49

low point. And his dive, it wasn't

29:52

the full dive. I feel like he

29:54

died, but he didn't, like, he died

29:56

late. He didn't expect this guy to

29:58

pick it up and fling it and

30:01

hit the sounds. This is New Zealand,

30:03

right? Have you seen a bar in

30:05

like one hour yesterday? Their feeling has

30:07

been top not. But that's the whole

30:09

point. You know what? You've lost the

30:12

test series too, won the test series

30:14

two zero. It would have been okay

30:16

for them to switch off. I cannot

30:18

say in England or Australia playing a

30:20

third test match with this intensity. Aja's

30:23

particular gentle guy is giving people a

30:25

send off. They're flinging themselves. This test

30:27

match hurts more because it was not

30:29

like New Zealand took their foot off

30:32

the gas. Right? It hurts more because

30:34

India tried and could not beat New

30:36

Zealand playing at their best. Yeah. New

30:38

Zealand didn't say we're going to say

30:40

we're two zero up, let's chill, let's

30:43

try some new guys like rotate in

30:45

the squad and this. Yeah, but we

30:47

rested Boomer, right? So we should talk

30:49

about this. Why have we rested Boomer?

30:51

I don't have an issue with that,

30:54

okay, just by gut feel. But he

30:56

played three-day press matches. He's not tired.

30:58

But he has no role to play

31:00

these. Yeah, in a match where 36

31:02

of the 40 wickets went to spin,

31:05

and the two of the quick ones

31:07

were giving free wickets to Matt Henry,

31:09

let's be clear. I'm not sure, bummer

31:11

would have been there. Then play eight

31:14

batters and three spinners, okay, yeah, team

31:16

combination has a career for. Yeah, I

31:18

agree with one. But I think you're

31:20

right about the New Zealand thing. I

31:22

just want to say also credit to

31:25

them every game. They had somebody different

31:27

who stood out. Yeah. Every game. And

31:29

they were like fighting for their life

31:31

here. Like, and it was not for

31:33

a world test championship spot. They just

31:36

had a point to prove, I think

31:38

they realized we're making it enrolled. And

31:40

just, you know, probably last point is

31:42

when we were thinking about the target,

31:45

I remember messaging people saying 200 is

31:47

a loss. 150 is 50-50 and I

31:49

think 120 is hours. That's literally what

31:51

I said. And it came under that

31:53

50-50 but it was, it's going to

31:56

be hard. It's just... I can't even

31:58

imagine if you were chasing 150 on

32:00

day 5. What would have happened? This

32:02

is day 3. It was unacceptable. 150

32:04

being 50-50 changes drastically when you get

32:07

to 29 for 5. DJ I'm going

32:09

to take us to a very quick

32:11

break. We will come back, finish talking

32:13

about this in the future of team

32:16

India and then Varun, energy permitting, we'll

32:18

have you talk a little bit about

32:20

IPL retensions. Don't go anywhere, we will

32:22

be right back after this break. Welcome

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32:55

Let me first ask you, and honestly,

32:57

I don't have too much, I want

32:59

to say much, I want to say

33:01

about the fact that we got to

33:04

29 for five. 29 for five. I

33:06

don't. recovered us potentially we talked about

33:08

this a little let me just look

33:11

at the total match then gale 90

33:13

in the first innings yes shoulder to

33:15

ball shoulder his arms to a ball

33:18

that just went up straight under the

33:20

steps is not great but in the

33:22

context of a low scoring match gale

33:24

jeswail looked decent in the first innings

33:27

before playing a bad shot and then

33:29

rishapant 250s no no major complaints about

33:31

these guys right a little bit more

33:34

on on what you want them to

33:36

be doing and yes 90s should become

33:38

hundreds and yes for a ship 60s

33:40

should become 80s and 90s but but

33:43

overall not not complaining too much right

33:45

no you're not because then you're saying

33:47

I have to change my whole line

33:50

up right like I said just well

33:52

has the potential just needs to be

33:54

a little more aware like I don't

33:57

think our top border should be giving

33:59

we can still Glenville right just nothing

34:01

against Glenville but I don't think we

34:03

should by the did you guys see

34:06

him field like he Like runs across

34:08

the turf as if like he makes

34:10

Theresa look slow. Anyway. But Gil I

34:13

was a little shocked by in that

34:15

second innings. I was that was just

34:17

totally unexpected to me that changed the

34:19

moment of like when your Premier Prince

34:22

matchman has misread this it to me

34:24

that was shocking but Man, Rishabant like

34:26

I got a message saying hera ha

34:29

ha ha ha ha ha hera like

34:31

he's a diamond and that's just what

34:33

it is like this format is built

34:36

for Rishabant and Rishabanth is built for

34:38

this format it is it is just

34:40

a story that we want to watch

34:42

but I you know in the past

34:45

I was questioning why is he at

34:47

five I get it he's so important

34:49

now that you don't want him to

34:52

be batting with the tail you don't

34:54

want him to be farming strike I

34:56

think if you ask my honest opinion

34:58

the Aussies are basically gonna have 90%

35:01

of their plan to deal with the

35:03

Shabang and 10% to deal with Jeswell.

35:05

If they get these two plans sorted,

35:08

this series is done. DJ, very important

35:10

question. Do we still get to call

35:12

him prince, given that he is allegedly

35:15

no longer dating such his daughter? Does

35:17

that make him not the prince of

35:19

Indian cricket anymore? I'm not going to

35:21

get into that. But if the king

35:24

is changing and the dynasty is ending,

35:26

I mean, I'm not sure... Maybe he

35:28

is a new king. King Gil. I

35:31

don't know man. A little bit early

35:33

for that. No, I mean, he played

35:35

a, see, he played a knock of

35:37

90. Yeah, it would have been better

35:40

to be 100, but man, that was

35:42

worth like a lot. You were 86

35:44

for 4. You were staring another, you're

35:47

looking at another 150 all out at

35:49

that situation in that scenario and to

35:51

play that knock against that attack in

35:54

those conditions, that's worth like 150 on

35:56

a placid batting batting track. It was,

35:58

I thought he was excellent. I thought

36:00

that knock again, another coming of age

36:03

knock, I felt, and he must be

36:05

24. now but he's I think between

36:07

him and Jess or I keep ping

36:10

pongy every week I think this guy's

36:12

gonna be the future captain they're 23

36:14

and 24 or something like that right

36:16

like yeah he just turned 25 yeah

36:19

yeah I thought he played a great

36:21

knock but you've got to look to

36:23

the future and He is going to

36:26

be that number four spot zone. He

36:28

is going to relish batting on those

36:30

Australian tracks. We can never forget that

36:33

whatever 91 he got at the gabber,

36:35

right? That set us up. Yes, we

36:37

remember the Rishapantenings, but that was what

36:39

actually made us believe originally. So this

36:42

series, the border govasska trophy, which is

36:44

starting in a few weeks, right? Which

36:46

is good. I think this is going

36:49

to be the... the transition has started.

36:51

Now let's be very clear about the

36:53

transition starting. This is us having to

36:55

think beyond Rohit Koli and I think

36:58

Ashwin and Jadeja to my mind and

37:00

they've been great servants of Indian crickets.

37:02

Ashwin after you mentioned I read the

37:05

Shidmong article about the generation that set

37:07

up that incredible 18-series streak. And he

37:09

says, well, at the end, we've got

37:12

to get ready for this transition and

37:14

it's coming. But I think Gil needs

37:16

to move on to answer your original

37:18

question, move on from being the prince

37:21

to actually being the king. So this

37:23

Australia series, where you saw Coley transition

37:25

from Doni's understudy into 400 and four

37:28

test matches, those Adelaide knocks, all of

37:30

that. He came away, you know. And

37:32

now it's time for Shuman Gil. I

37:34

think this. This is the Jesswell and

37:37

Gil show that we're going to see

37:39

in the Baja Vasco trophy. I'm excited

37:41

about it. I'm sad because Roheth and

37:44

Coley are obviously our guys in a

37:46

week. 2018 is when we started this

37:48

podcast and 2018 was a year that

37:51

Coley average 55 in test cricket. He

37:53

scored 1,300 plus runs. 22 of those

37:55

test matches were outs. India, Australia, South

37:57

Africa, and England. So, but with all

38:00

good things, I think you've got a

38:02

plan for the future. So they will

38:04

come to an end and I think

38:07

he needs to transition from being the

38:09

prince to the king soon. Yeah, I

38:11

mean, listen, nothing else to add that

38:13

except for DJ mentioned we're starting in

38:16

three weeks again in the border telescope

38:18

trophy. Did you realize we're in between

38:20

that we are touring South Africa for

38:23

some two 20s? I didn't realize that

38:25

too early on TV. I saw the

38:27

ads on TV while watching the match.

38:30

Yeah, it's a bit surprising. It's crazy.

38:32

I mean, it's a completely different squad

38:34

though. Yeah, Sky, Dela Cardiak, Akshar, Sanju,

38:36

Jutesh, Varun Chakravati, like a completely different

38:39

squad. Akhariji's collecting points. Yeah, Ayr is

38:41

the only one who is doing. Yeah,

38:43

correct. I think Akshar is only guys.

38:46

will slide but also he's not probably

38:48

gonna play the first test right so

38:50

that's the yeah that's the other thing

38:52

but yeah look it'll be fun it'll

38:55

be the kind of action that we've

38:57

been used to for this year and

38:59

I think yes Sky and Team will

39:02

will will make us forget this quickly

39:04

let's hope so will we let me

39:06

quickly I can't forget we have this

39:09

we just move on man it's how

39:11

it got I mean even I said

39:13

this because after 2-0 I was still

39:15

like okay cool so 2-1 No, three.

39:18

Like, that's, it's never happened before, it

39:20

unprecedented. Yeah. By the way, the guy

39:22

who tormented us, I realized, a jazz

39:25

potato in 2021 and the one k-day,

39:27

has only played, I think, seven tests

39:29

since then. What, they played him once

39:31

in Lords, he got no wickets, and

39:34

then after that, he is exclusively playing

39:36

in the subcontinent. Two, two paksad, three

39:38

baglaj, I think, is what he's playing.

39:41

I mean I think you should just

39:43

move here and just practice here. What's

39:45

the part of practicing in New Zealand?

39:48

He was born in Bombay. Do you

39:50

know that? Oh Mumbai. Yeah. What about

39:52

Gil? Let me ask you, I know

39:54

Dejah is a big fan, so let

39:57

me ask you, Washington Sundar. Probably one

39:59

of the silver linings are good outcomes

40:01

of the series, right? Good with the

40:04

ball, picked up four because the first

40:06

things, great with the bad instances, he

40:08

got to play. I think we have

40:10

to figure out his role with the

40:13

bad little more, but another one of

40:15

the crop that is 24, 25 years

40:17

old, and fairly experienced for being that

40:20

age. Do you think he's sort of

40:22

cemented cemented his... He's just been missing

40:24

for so long. Like I was watching

40:27

this with somebody and they're like, who's

40:29

Washington Sundar? Right? And I was like,

40:31

what? And they were like, yeah, I

40:33

said, would he be? He played the

40:36

Gaba test and they're like, wait, what's

40:38

your daughter who's two years old? No,

40:40

no, I think she knows her Sunda.

40:43

Is it time for you to get

40:45

her a dog named Gaba? Yeah, that

40:47

would be fun. Like I just have

40:50

a lot of faith in Washington, Sudan.

40:52

I don't know why, I can't explain

40:54

it, but like I knew that if

40:56

he's batting, we will get a lead

40:59

of 50. I had a feeling that

41:01

he will close the gap more narrowly

41:03

in the second innings than what ended

41:06

up happening, but he was under too

41:08

much pressure. And so my prediction is

41:10

he's going to play ahead of Ashrin

41:12

in Australia. Okay, and that's contentious because

41:15

I went back and checked and Ashrin

41:17

played all the games in the last

41:19

Australia Test teams. Except for the last

41:22

one, but you were injured. Yeah, but

41:24

my gut feel is that he's going

41:26

to play ahead of Ashrin, especially in

41:29

the first two games. and I think

41:31

we just got to figure out his

41:33

batting order by default by being the

41:35

junior most I think he has to

41:38

come after Jerry jump but I am

41:40

all for mixing things up and sending

41:42

him at you know a four or

41:45

five if needed but I just have

41:47

a lot of faith in the guy

41:49

I think he is part of the

41:51

future of this team. Yeah couldn't agree

41:54

more. I think really well said. DJ

41:56

the last one I have to talk

41:58

about before we wrap up this painful

42:01

experience, but we talked a lot about

42:03

Rohitham-Koli, we've talked a little about the

42:05

future, we talked about these guys, there's

42:08

one spot in that lower-the-middle-order that you

42:10

and I talked a lot about Kail

42:12

Rao, and then we talked about surfers.

42:14

Can't even blame him, we haven't played

42:17

the last two test matches. No, this

42:19

is what I'm saying, so we wanted

42:21

surfers, so we wanted surfers, we wanted

42:24

surfers, we wanted surfers, and we wanted

42:26

surfers, and we wanted surfers, and we

42:28

wanted surfers, and then. I think the

42:30

pitch was acting out a little bit,

42:33

but then he hit a sweep off

42:35

of full toss, straight down the throat

42:37

of the field, and I think I

42:40

texted Varun. That was the game for

42:42

him. He was done. Yeah. I texted

42:44

Varun saying, well, you can't even blame

42:47

the pitch when you don't let the

42:49

ball bounce, and you get out to

42:51

an easy full toss. I mean, I

42:53

think he made zero and one in

42:56

this test. You don't ever want to

42:58

judge a player off of one, but

43:00

it just shows it just, it shouldn't.

43:03

absolute lack of decision-making skill. It just

43:05

seemed to show that, I guess we

43:07

in a post-Pajara world, it seemed to

43:09

show we have too many guys, whether

43:12

you can't just, well, pun, the first,

43:14

too many guys who are like, well,

43:16

I have licensed to go because somebody

43:19

else will consolidate, and everybody's like that,

43:21

you become England, and you'll win some

43:23

phenomenal matches, but you will lose some

43:26

absolute shockers too. Yeah, I agree. So

43:28

I'm just going to rewind to the

43:30

start of the series. where the Kail

43:32

Raoul, this debate was ongoing and I

43:35

said, listen, I think Kail will play

43:37

the first test match, but if you

43:39

were to replace Kail, I would have

43:42

gone with Thrujurel. And the reason I'd

43:44

said that was, technically, Thrujurel just looks

43:46

like a more organized, more compact, better,

43:48

temperamentally, after that hockey played against England

43:51

with the series imbalance, played a magnificent

43:53

innings of 90. He just looks... like

43:55

a great like a great player of

43:58

spin and someone who can play extreme

44:00

pace as well he looks organized right

44:02

of course we when we drop kill

44:05

we went to serve us. He's got

44:07

150 though, after a guy goes 150,

44:09

what are you going to do? But

44:11

the problem with that is it's the

44:14

lack of consistency, right? So what, you're

44:16

yo-yoing, and I say that without any,

44:18

like, I don't mean anything by the

44:21

reference to yo-yo, but you're oscillating between

44:23

being sublime and being ridiculous. Today he

44:25

was absolutely ridiculous. He came out with

44:27

it. You say lack of decision making.

44:30

I don't think so. I think he

44:32

made the decision. I'm going to sweep

44:34

every ball. He got full touch, first

44:37

ball, swept it. He would have smacked

44:39

it anywhere for four. I guess I

44:41

meant lack of good decision. Good decision.

44:44

It was bad decision. There was definitely

44:46

bad decision. Because they come out thinking,

44:48

we have to sweep. And he's hit

44:50

the first one for one. And then

44:53

the next one, he smokesks down, he

44:55

smokesks down, they made way to make.

44:57

It was a like it was a

45:00

really poor shot and Again, he played

45:02

a great knock he got a hundred

45:04

and fifty in that first test match

45:06

after being 46 or not Because and

45:09

he played that because Gil was injured

45:11

But my question should have is like

45:13

should Jurell have actually played instead of

45:16

Sarfara's once Gil is back and kale

45:18

has been dropped and It's hard to

45:20

drop someone after two tests. One test

45:23

match I'm not performing, which he did

45:25

in the second one, but after watching

45:27

the ways he's got out in the

45:29

last three three innings of four innings,

45:32

I mean, even the second test first

45:34

innings, he just lobbed one to mid

45:36

off. Is that what you want to

45:39

see from your middle order? Or would

45:41

you rather have someone more organized implementally

45:43

better? Yes, Jural is a wicked keeper,

45:45

but he doesn't have to keep right.

45:48

scrutiny but a 5-6 should be solid

45:50

should be able to play both games

45:52

and I think Sarforaz has got like

45:55

basically one gear which is overdrive. play

45:57

in Australia? Yeah so I was just

45:59

gonna say very quickly let's just wrap

46:02

up very quickly the two contentious picks

46:04

for me are Kiel Rahul and Sundar

46:06

will play the first test in Australia

46:08

that is those are my two picks.

46:11

But now change to Rohit Koli just

46:13

while Gilhaha. I mean Rohit if he's

46:15

not there that's a difference sure sure

46:18

sure yeah okay why aren't we like

46:20

it Jurel for six though I'm a

46:22

big Jurel fan I'm a big Jurel

46:24

fan I've really like this I think

46:27

we do I think we do I

46:29

think we do I am also with

46:31

you and I am also with you

46:34

and I am also with you and

46:36

I am I was telling somebody today

46:38

that I hope he can play as

46:41

a pure batter, but the feedback I'm

46:43

getting is, it's just early, he will,

46:45

he will. It's just early, that's the

46:47

thing. But Kayla, this is like 20

46:50

or something in Australia, so he's had

46:52

his shots, but anyway. But again, we

46:54

said middle order. So I'm saying Kail

46:57

and Sundar are going to play the

46:59

first test because I think they need

47:01

that and I think we're only going

47:03

to battle eight. That's reality. And I

47:06

don't think India is going to do

47:08

that in the, at least in the

47:10

first couple of games. And the first

47:13

test is the wacker, right? Yeah. It's

47:15

the new, oh, the new Perth Grand,

47:17

sorry, yeah, right here. So I wonder,

47:20

so if, so sorry, just staying with

47:22

that thought, if K.L. plays and Rojit

47:24

doesn't play, does K.L. open the batting,

47:26

he sure don't open the batting, so

47:29

we're okay with putting a guy who's

47:31

a guy who's never played test cricket,

47:33

I actually think if Roe doesn't play,

47:36

I suspect he'll be shunted off the

47:38

order as he's done before. And someone

47:40

like Jurell will actually bad sake. Man,

47:42

the thing with Jurell is I don't

47:45

disagree with you at all, but that's

47:47

all true for India. Like to play

47:49

him first in India, cement his part

47:52

and then take him over. It just

47:54

seems crazy or not. Not not make

47:56

the 11th India and say yeah, but

47:59

now you're gone enough to make the

48:01

11th Australia That's a frustration. It's the

48:03

same as the same as scale You're

48:05

not good enough to play the last

48:08

two test matches against New Zealand, but

48:10

we'll play in Australia like it Because

48:12

sulphurize at the 150 I think that's

48:15

it. And I do think some for

48:17

us can get more runs in India.

48:19

I just, I'm trying to justify, but

48:21

I just don't think Judel is part

48:24

of the playing 11 clan today. It's

48:26

a tough day actually to be having

48:28

this conversation. Yeah, it's a very difficult

48:31

day. Charged and emotional about it. Anyway,

48:33

anyway. All right. Well, on that happy

48:35

note, there's not a lot else to

48:38

say to say. We've got way over

48:40

what I thought we would. Varun. IPL

48:42

retentions also happened this week. In any

48:44

other week, this would have been a

48:47

full episode for the end of this

48:49

legislative screen and podcast. We would have

48:51

spent all the time talking about it,

48:54

everybody is uncapped officially in the system.

48:56

You wanted to very quickly do a

48:58

run down of some of the highlights

49:01

and low lights of the IPL retentions

49:03

for us? Yeah, so it's absolutely no

49:05

surprise that the three most useless teams

49:07

in the history of IP of IPs

49:10

have got the highest purse going into

49:12

this. Every two years Punjab says now

49:14

we're going to dream. That works. Punjab

49:17

has a... 10.5 crores. I'm sure 50

49:19

of those are going to go to

49:21

Sam Current, but everything else they've still

49:23

got, right? So the job has 110

49:26

crores. Bangalore, the other stalwart team, has

49:28

83, and then the last mega team,

49:30

Delhi capitals, has 73 crores. There is

49:33

a lot of money that is going

49:35

to be spent on absolutely useless decisions.

49:37

in December. If I'm trying to sum

49:40

it up it's almost close to 250

49:42

croa that is going to be thrown

49:44

down the drain. But interesting that Kishan

49:46

hasn't been retained right? I mean, out

49:49

of all, serious, I think let me

49:51

come to this. The couple of names

49:53

that are interesting, right, Punt is not

49:56

for deli capitals. We heard that he

49:58

wanted captaincy and apparently they're doing some

50:00

rotation policy like it's a grand intern

50:02

program or something. Or a kindergarten program.

50:05

Like everybody's ready or captain, today's Tuesday,

50:07

a job captain. Doesn't that what KKR

50:09

did? That shit, the four characters? No,

50:12

no, no, no. This is not rotation

50:14

for us of captain. This is part

50:16

General will manage the team for two

50:19

years, which is why you're seeing like

50:21

Wendugupal Rao as the key figure of

50:23

the really capital. It's like just, again,

50:25

just brilliant. So, so Ponting has left

50:28

Ellie capitals. Shres Iyer. has left KKR.

50:30

Again, wanted number one slot, wanted the

50:32

money, didn't think of the kind of

50:35

team dynamics. And then the third one

50:37

is Kail Rahl has left Lucknow where

50:39

the owner came out and said we

50:41

wanted people with a winning mindset, not

50:44

a personal mindset. Yeah, that was a

50:46

weird dig man, honestly. So you've got

50:48

these are the three. big names. I

50:51

expect these three, I mean I think

50:53

the Chopin is going to go for

50:55

the highest. Now there have been... Man,

50:58

on Shreis, really quick. We forget that

51:00

he just, literally, just lifted the trophy

51:02

for them. I mean that's going to

51:04

be some sort of record, right? In

51:07

any sport anywhere in the world, the

51:09

captain getting dropped after winning a trophy?

51:11

I mean, I think the reality is

51:14

how much did he do between Gambier

51:16

being there and then having this team?

51:18

How much did Shire actually... I mean,

51:20

today I feel like he had to

51:23

offset the negative one come here as

51:25

a coach. And today, it's feeling like

51:27

a move is a drag. I just

51:30

think Sunil Aran is Indian citizenship for

51:32

Gambi to drive as a good. But

51:34

I think Shireus is... I don't think,

51:37

I'm not feeling bad for shares because

51:39

I think a lot of teams have

51:41

talked to their players and done what

51:43

isn't the best interest of the team.

51:46

That means hard they can sky and

51:48

are getting paid the same and less

51:50

than boomra for example, right? So for

51:53

shares to not realize the value of

51:55

the team and to be asking for

51:57

that much is in my opinion tough

51:59

and the key. I think CEO, chief

52:02

operations officer, actually came out and said

52:04

he was number one on our list,

52:06

but we have to think of

52:08

multiple different factors. So, yeah,

52:10

I don't know, Ashen, if you think

52:13

we should need to run through it

52:15

all, we can probably leave that. I

52:17

think we can do that next week.

52:20

I think for me, Shrias becomes a

52:22

captain somewhere. The question is to

52:24

like, do either luck now or Delhi go

52:26

really big behind him to be the

52:29

or Punjab? That was your favorite

52:31

part of the week wasn't it?

52:33

I mean in a week where

52:35

all these dramas have happened I

52:37

mean at least you got some

52:39

comedy value out of Ishan Kishan

52:42

behind the stumps in Australia so

52:44

guys if you haven't seen that

52:46

go and check out our Twitter

52:48

at one to one hand because

52:50

it's pretty funny that it's pretty

52:52

funny that apparently CSK Wan Trishabant

52:55

and it is such

52:57

a beautiful plan Right,

52:59

to take over from

53:02

Amazoni. I can tell

53:04

you that I think

53:06

CSK won Rishapan, I

53:08

think Rishapanth won't CSK,

53:10

but unfortunately Punjab has

53:13

110 dollars. It's so

53:15

Rishab, you wear, you

53:17

are probably going to

53:19

end up at Punjab,

53:21

Super Kings, or whatever

53:23

the hell that hard. Punjab

53:26

Super Giants. You're probably going to end

53:28

up there with a punch, so just

53:30

be careful. But I think there's an

53:33

outside chance CSK game. I think Punjab

53:35

and Bangalore are just going to kill

53:37

CSK over this decision. But anyway, let's

53:40

see that. But can be like a

53:42

comedy show at Punjab. And Varan, do

53:44

you remember their right to match rules? Because

53:46

they've changed now, right? Theoretically, Panth can end

53:48

up back at Delhi, Shrias back at KKR,

53:50

I think, with right to match cards. I

53:52

think the players are betting that they get

53:54

bid up high amount and that the franchises

53:56

need to, right, match them with more, essentially.

53:58

So, like, in things like. I think in

54:00

a situation where I'll give you

54:02

an example of a Conway, right,

54:04

or Will Jack's, or Jake Frazier,

54:07

I think these are the prime

54:09

right-to-match situations, right? I don't remember

54:11

the rule, but in a situation

54:13

like Shayas or Pant, these have

54:15

been active conversations. They have left

54:17

because of a problem or a

54:19

clash in thinking, and so my

54:21

gut feeling is... These guys are

54:23

not going to get an RTM.

54:25

Even if they go lower than

54:27

what they thought, they're not getting

54:29

an RTM. The RTM is for

54:31

guys, I think, who can make

54:34

a difference. Like, I wouldn't be

54:36

surprised if KQIY is an RTM

54:38

fulfils salt, right? Out of the

54:40

blue. But he's done well. Those

54:42

are the kind of things that

54:44

I think will happen, not a

54:46

pump than Shair. I can see

54:48

a CSK using an RTM for

54:50

Chadeeshuk Pajara Pajara. No, just two

54:52

days back or something saying I'm

54:54

ready today, I'm ready today. So

54:56

he did typical pudana style like

54:58

uncle, he put up a video

55:01

that said, saw today strong tour,

55:03

and before the video started, he

55:05

put on his Apple watch to

55:07

track his workout, and then he

55:09

went off. He got a love

55:11

thing. No, but that's good timing

55:13

for Bada Gavaskram. We didn't actually

55:15

talk about the... He's the one

55:17

we would miss the most, right.

55:19

I'm not tire out. come in

55:21

stock and hislwood. I mean, those

55:23

guys, you probably can't sleep at

55:25

night thinking of Puchara. We talked

55:28

to, you talk about Guild 90,

55:30

you talk about Rishav Zinnings, and

55:32

ultimately Puchara was the difference maker,

55:34

I think, in those two series

55:36

ones. Down under, right? We just

55:38

don't have that anymore. Dravid Puchara,

55:40

and now that, now there's that

55:42

void in the ability. of a

55:44

player. I mean, I don't know

55:46

how we come back to transcript.

55:48

Right? But you had that like,

55:50

that monk smoking, one kid who

55:52

was a smoking kid and one

55:55

was a monk kid and the

55:57

monk kid is obviously Pajara and

55:59

Panta, the smoking kid. Amazing. Yeah.

56:01

Who's that? Those may be some

56:03

of my favorite partnerships was Pajara

56:05

and Pudh together. Yeah, those guys,

56:07

Bajara. He couldn't even hug him

56:09

because they were bruises. Oh, no,

56:11

he's just like, Pagh is awkwardly

56:13

like, bye, well done. Pangara, man.

56:15

Pant Jara, on that, happy now.

56:17

So, do we think he's coming

56:19

back though? For BGT? Specialist? Not,

56:22

maybe if the whole team, all the team

56:25

plays get injured. If people get injured and

56:27

we go down to two, zero, by huge

56:29

margins or something, maybe he gets on a

56:31

play. Yeah. On that happy note. For the

56:34

fifth time, I'm going to try to wrap

56:36

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