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I'm Casey and you're listening

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to the Element podcast on

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the road.

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What is going on, y'all?

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This is the only podcast we are

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on the road and going

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home, which feels kind of weird honestly

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because it's like good rout dates.

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But Tyler, we've been

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out of experiencing the good root dates already,

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so you gotta you gotta like come

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up forever every once in a while. And then,

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you know, sometimes when

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you hunt animals like a wild pig,

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you get to put five shells in your shotgun

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and it feels like a lot. But once you've

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expended those five shells, you have to reload.

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But then you've got five shells again. And

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so that's what we're about to do a little bit of. We're about

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to go home and do a little reloading. But

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it's because we have been doing

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some unloading, if you know what I'm saying.

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That's right, lad on them.

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We have, Man, it's been we've had a

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really really good road trip. Well

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need much needed line

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of success, you know, thanks to God

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for sending in some of our way. We're going

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to get into some tactics and

1:14

some thoughts on that, but in general,

1:16

guys, today we're going to talk a lot about this.

1:21

I would call it the uphill stretch of

1:23

the rut.

1:24

Not uphill in the sense of like having to work

1:26

hard for it, but more of like if you look

1:28

at the rut like a bell curve. We're on

1:30

the front side of that still. Yeah,

1:32

and a lot of a lot of the country will be it's

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not pre rut. It's like Tyler says, early rut,

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right, Yeah, what does that in general?

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What's the early rut kind of mean?

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Tyler Man, I

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would say for a big portion

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of the country, there's probably about I

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don't know, two weeks twenty days

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that people consider kind of prime rut dates

1:54

where it's like three days, yeah,

1:58

but just where deer are likely

2:01

chasing, cruising,

2:05

fighting and that kind of thing. And the

2:07

further north you go usually the kind of smaller

2:09

that window is. And

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then you know, there's friends in the South

2:14

that'll be experiencing this in January. So maybe

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we need to talk about that in January too, But for

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now, we were talking about earlierut because

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usually around Halloween is when everybody starts

2:23

to get excited, and I don't know if that is like an

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American cultural thing where it's like, Ooh,

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Halloween's spooky and big bucks are spooky, so

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we want to shoot a big buck on Halloween or

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if that date is actually the date, and I feel

2:35

like it's more the

2:38

last four days of October.

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If there's some weather patterns that line up, some

2:43

things can start to kick off and happen.

2:45

That makes a deer more visible. At least I

2:47

can get with you on that. We were in Iowa. Was

2:50

it twenty nineteen? Yeah,

2:53

we were in Iowa in twenty nineteen.

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Yeah, and it came as snow seface about

2:57

the twenty seventh and all

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of a sudden, just do you run around everywhere? Yeah,

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yeah, like changed everything. We're having a real

3:03

hard hunt. We went up there for that late October

3:06

thing, and for like two or

3:08

three days it was a terrible hard hunt.

3:10

And then we left our sets hanging,

3:13

walked in the next morning there was like three inches of

3:15

snow on top of my seat pad, and

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after that it.

3:18

Was just like but man, it was different.

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Yeah, and I think you know, we've

3:24

we're heading home, like Casey said, and we've we've

3:26

had a really successful trip. There's

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a couple of bucks and instances and

3:30

things we want to talk about in regards to the early

3:33

rut, and then a couple of that we might leave out

3:35

and talk about on the next podcast, which we're gonna try

3:37

to get out here pretty pretty quickly as

3:39

well. So you

3:41

know, with that in mind, case really

3:45

kicked this thing off for us as far as success

3:47

goes, Casey,

3:50

you just I'm just gonna just say it. You killed two bucks

3:52

in three days, is that right? That's right?

3:54

Man?

3:55

That was in two different states, a wild

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time, and and I'm

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not gonna say I could have done any faster. But the

4:03

day in between there was a travel day, so

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you know what I mean, Like it was a it

4:08

was a huge blessing. And quite honestly,

4:11

just in those three days, the deer were kind

4:13

of doing a different thing. And you know, I

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traveled north some for the second deer,

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so that might make a difference, too,

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right, I.

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Think I think it does. I think I

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think it.

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I don't know if that's a weather thing or not, you

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know, Like I guess what I'm saying is like if

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it was thanks to a weather pattern, or

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if it's a weather thing based off of the northern latitude,

4:33

you know what I mean.

4:34

Well, it's a thing

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that I think every year has

4:38

a theme for me of something I'm learning

4:40

about the rut and about deer

4:43

hunting. And the theme this year

4:45

for me, like the thing I'm interested in, maybe

4:47

it's not really a theme, is uh

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frost and how the

4:53

first frost affects what deer doing.

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And I think it's a big deal. I

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think that.

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Depending on what

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the frost is or when the frost hits,

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like the first hard frost, I think

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it changes deer patterns a whole

5:10

lot about what they get to eat, where

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they get to live, all this

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stuff because the leaves go to falling,

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all the broad leaf stuff dies,

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and so they may

5:22

really lean heavily on agriculture

5:25

and it just changes things up a lot. And I think

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where I'm going with this is that I

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killed in Nebraska and I killed in South Dakota. Nebraska

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was the first one and it

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was pre heavy frost. We

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just I think, actually last night in Nebraska had

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their first at least where we were, their first heavy

5:42

frost.

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The frosted before we left,

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before me and Cupcake left.

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Was it a heavy one?

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Okay, it seemed like there was still a decent

5:53

amount of foliage on the.

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Trees, whereas when we went South Dakota

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it was like pouring off this morning.

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And when it warmed up, it also did that when it

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was twenty five about three or four days ago.

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Well went to South Dakota, it was like

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the lees are off the trees.

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Yeah, it was full on, like rut

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looking stuff out there, you know.

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Yeah, It's That's the thing that's kind of a sane is

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like you travel several hours north and

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all of a sudden, just because

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of that northern latitude this

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time of year, you're getting different temps.

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You're getting even maybe different

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especially you know when you talk about

6:30

that I forty line that we mentioned

6:32

in the ret Fresh podcast, like around

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there, you know, things can are still pretty hot

6:37

right now, I think. So, you

6:39

know, there's some weather patterns that will will

6:42

these big pressure you know, low pressure systems

6:44

and stuff that'll come through and that

6:46

line will be you know, it will

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dip down and stuff in the Midwest and that

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kind of thing and go pretty low sometimes

6:53

and then and then sometimes it'll it'll hold high.

6:55

You know.

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So and in the Midwest right

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now, even in a lot of them are still

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experiencing warmer temps, which

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makes a big difference. It's just on the phone with a

7:05

buddy there and they

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they feel like the hunting's a little bit slow because

7:10

the temps aren't huh, super cool. But I

7:13

think that, you know, there's a weather system

7:15

moving through the country really slow right now,

7:18

and on the backside of that is going

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to be some really good hunting.

7:22

That's what I was wanting to talk about a little bit. I mean,

7:24

I want you to talk about a

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couple of things in

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regards to and

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around that first buck you shot.

7:34

You were hunting around a lot of scrapes, not

7:36

necessarily the technique that killed

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the deer for you, but

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that you were definitely hunting around a bunch of scrapes. So

7:44

talk a little bit about what the

7:46

weather that you

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know could happen around there.

7:51

And then hypothetically, like the weather that is happening

7:53

in say Illinois right now, where they're getting

7:55

a lot of rain. We've got a couple of buddies that have been talking about how

7:58

much train they're getting.

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Well, I mean, what.

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How does that affect scrapes that you

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were hunting versus. And also just overall,

8:04

like rud activity and some of the techniques and tactics.

8:06

That you can use to kill deer.

8:08

I'm not sure it's proven, but there's

8:10

a thing that us deer hunters like to think happens

8:13

where a weather system moves

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through, like with precipitation, and

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that kind of messes

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the scrape up a little bit and it makes deer want

8:24

to go scrape after the

8:26

rain. I'm not one hundred percent sold

8:28

on that's exactly what's going on. I think it kind

8:30

of might be a thing you're talking about where it's somewhat

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coincidental with it's the time of year

8:35

that they're going to be doing that anyway. But either

8:37

way, scrapes in

8:39

late October are a big deal, and

8:41

even into early November a big deal. I mean,

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if you've listened to it on the podcast for a while, you

8:46

know that Tyler and I from about September

8:48

fifteenth, as soon as the scrape gets opened up until the end

8:51

of dear season, we like hunting scrapes all

8:53

through the year. You killed a deer on

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a scrape in the Midwest, like December twenty

8:57

ninth or something like that, Yeah, towards the end of them,

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Yeah, it's a it's

9:02

a good spot. And so what

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we did initially is

9:07

I went and set up on a what

9:09

looks like a traditional rout funnel, somewhat like

9:12

where a bluff kind of moves down into

9:14

a valley and kind of pinches deer down real

9:16

tight, and saw zero

9:19

deer. So that was the time to get up. That

9:21

was on a morning hunt. It's time to

9:23

get out of the stand early because it's just not

9:25

happening where I'm at. I think

9:27

that's kind of a key this time of year too, is like, man,

9:30

get aggressive with your spots and go figure out

9:32

where some deer are, because yeah,

9:35

bumping deer is bad, but during

9:37

the rut, like there's gonna be deer that come in and

9:39

replace deer.

9:40

If you blow some deer, there will be deer in that.

9:42

That's a good point.

9:42

There will be deer in that area in a week

9:44

that haven't even been there maybe

9:47

once all year, you know what I mean.

9:48

And so we decided early in the morning

9:51

this is actually pre time change,

9:53

so nine thirty, which

9:55

is like an eight thirty right now, we

9:58

decided to go ahead and get down and

10:00

do a walk about and try to learn something

10:02

and.

10:03

Figure out where

10:05

the deer actually are.

10:06

Well, all we have to do is find like a really

10:08

old logging road or two track

10:11

and walk it and suddenly it kind of comes into this

10:13

clearing and then there are scrapes go lore

10:15

along this clearing and it's

10:19

actually a spot where we see

10:21

an almost shooter scraping like

10:24

sixty yards away, and we're like freak out mode,

10:26

you know what I mean, and like just.

10:28

Kind of shooter.

10:29

He as in, if hate it come real

10:31

close, you probably would have shot it.

10:32

I might would have shot him if he came real close. You know.

10:34

It was like, Okay, if this deer gives me a

10:36

clean twenty yarder, I got it. Well,

10:39

all I really had was like a fifty yard frontal and that's

10:41

really not a it's.

10:42

Not a high odds shot, shall we say,

10:44

so didn't take the

10:47

size of the buck.

10:48

I mean, we're like to be real honest around here

10:50

at the element he was not a fifty

10:52

yard frontal type buck, you know. And I would

10:55

advise that there are very few of

10:57

those in this world, but there.

10:58

Are a few.

11:00

So but

11:03

that was like a great sign, like this is this

11:06

is where it's happening. It's going down and with just

11:08

a tiny bit of boot scouting right there without stomping

11:10

it up too bad.

11:11

You know, you can.

11:12

You can figure out a lot by just

11:14

operating your Bino's and kind

11:16

of scanning around. Sure enough, we can see like probably

11:20

six scrapes that are at least the

11:23

size of two feet sets put together, and a couple

11:25

of them or like the big dogs, you

11:27

know, the car hood type scrapes, and it's

11:30

like, oh, this is it.

11:31

They're definitely some deer spending some time in here. So

11:33

we actually re

11:36

hung.

11:36

So backstory, this property

11:40

has been hunted, not this

11:42

year, but there's some guys that hunted this place

11:44

the year before, and this

11:46

is.

11:47

An old food plot where all

11:49

these scrapes are like kind of like one of

11:51

them kill plot type things. I didn't know

11:53

all this until after I talked to the guy

11:55

who had the access on the place and we figured it

11:57

all out.

11:58

But there's no there's nothing

12:00

playing it in there now. But there's some voluntary

12:03

wild or not wild but voluntary cereal

12:06

rye from the rock grass that was

12:08

there before. And then there's like a couple of little

12:10

Braskas every once in a while coming up in there.

12:13

So it is a food source, especially on

12:15

a drought year. But

12:18

it doesn't really it doesn't look like a luscious food

12:20

plot, you know, but it's enough to kind of have deer around.

12:23

It's in a good deer travel area, and there's scrapes

12:25

galore. We

12:31

end up hanging in a tree right there. There's

12:33

an old ladder stand there, not super old,

12:36

you know, a couple of years old.

12:37

And I start putting the.

12:39

Pieces together, make sure the ladder stands kind of

12:41

safe, and we climb up in there and then hang our gear

12:44

and use that ladder stand to get in the tree. Well,

12:46

it's a good spot. We decided to leave our stuff

12:49

there and we're going.

12:49

To come back for the evening.

12:51

And it wasn't like that weather change

12:53

time, but it was a

12:57

north wind, kind of cool front

12:59

type deal where I guess you could call the weather rains,

13:01

just didn't have the rain that I remember.

13:03

But here's another thing too.

13:05

Maybe it's the whole hunter's mindset type

13:07

deal, but like on a windy day,

13:10

I feel like junk falls down in them scrapes and stuff,

13:12

and then deer like.

13:12

To get in there and clear that stuff out too. You know.

13:15

I don't know if that's the case or not, but when there's leaves

13:17

and stuff on the scrape, I feel like deer

13:19

like to open that thing up. And maybe it's just

13:22

the time of year. I don't know, but

13:24

our thoughts were, there's a lot of deer using this.

13:27

Let's go hunt it until we have a

13:29

reason not to, because it's the best thing we got going

13:32

go.

13:32

Back in there.

13:32

That evening, we had just talked

13:35

to one Michael Hunsluger of Heartland bow

13:37

Hunter on the Rough Fresh interview.

13:39

He'd been hunting in Colorado, and

13:41

I asked him a question about his.

13:43

How many asia in that state? All

13:45

of them? I

13:47

asked him his tactic.

13:50

That's a nice case. He's out there sure enough

13:52

his dude.

13:53

Sorry, hey, thank you, Michael Huntsucker,

13:55

thank you for this that's fixing to happen.

13:57

I asked him his tactic for rattling this time

13:59

here, because he said he likes to rattling late October,

14:02

and I myself enjoy some rattling

14:04

as well, just because it's like cool

14:06

to make deer do that.

14:07

But you know, I have I'm

14:10

sure some people have. Uh.

14:11

In fact, Jared Mills kind of has an infamous

14:14

one where he filmed like two two hundred inch

14:16

bucks fighting to the death in late October

14:18

one time. But I've

14:21

never seen deer do a lot of fighting in late October.

14:24

Uh.

14:24

You know, usually it's kind of like a sparring if it's anything,

14:26

and a lot of times it's younger bucks. So

14:29

I was curious how he

14:32

liked to rattle, and he said

14:34

he usually does a couple of grunts

14:36

and then does not like a

14:38

tickle, but just like a half hearted type

14:41

rattle.

14:41

I got a question for it. Okay, go ahead. I know I'm

14:43

kind of interrupting you a bunch. Sorry, I

14:45

can go on for days if you don't interrupt.

14:49

I don't like the word tickle, but everybody

14:51

uses it.

14:52

Yeah, well, you can't believe all these

14:54

he mans are

14:56

using the word tickle.

14:57

I'm who

15:00

started the word tickle. I bet it's Larry Wasson.

15:02

You think that's a pretty good guess.

15:05

That has a good guess, Jimmy Christmas, probably,

15:08

But I just I just like it's interesting

15:11

to me that nobody's ever come up with a better word than

15:13

tickle the horns together, you know, I

15:16

just feel like all these manly men that

15:18

you know are better hunting than we are just

15:20

would come up with something.

15:22

Yeah, well it's interesting. I was

15:24

talking. Are you challenging Michael's

15:26

manliness here. No, I'm challenging your

15:28

manliness.

15:30

I'm challenging the

15:33

hunting culture

15:35

or or I guess the hunters out

15:37

there to come up with a new word.

15:39

That's what I'm challenging. Tinkle for sure.

15:42

We I said that this morning. I was like, man, tinkle,

15:44

and then we go on tile.

15:48

So with

15:50

that in mind, I decided

15:52

I already had a plan.

15:54

In mind for the evening.

15:55

And so where this thing sets up

15:58

is it works really good for a

16:00

north or a northwest wind, and

16:04

you have a kind of a really big heel

16:06

almost bluff right behind you that the deer don't

16:09

readily traverse.

16:10

They'll go over it to whatever if they need to. There

16:12

is a trail over it, but they

16:15

like to stay in the bottom and the wind

16:17

is perfect.

16:18

It's also because that hill it

16:21

gets dark down there early, and I like these

16:23

kind of places where like the sunsets real early

16:25

in the day, but it doesn't get dark for like an hour and a half,

16:27

if that makes sense.

16:28

I think that deer like to use

16:31

those areas kind of as.

16:32

Their stagingers, or maybe one of the first

16:34

places they get up and kind of roam around because they

16:36

just like that little extra bit of darkness.

16:38

They don't like sun hit them too much.

16:41

And so I already decided i'd

16:44

like kind of done some math, and

16:47

I was I think Sunset Official

16:49

Sunset was like six

16:52

forty five, six feety something like that.

16:54

I don't know for sure.

16:55

And I was like, all right, at five point fifteen, I'm

16:58

gonna do the thing. I'm gonna do what Mike

17:00

was talking about. We're a little bit of grunting.

17:03

And then I'm just gonna kind of work

17:05

the antlers. I'm not gonna tickle them, but I'm just gonna

17:07

put them together and cucka, you know, but not like,

17:10

not like I'm trying to break them.

17:12

So tickle tickle would be the lightest.

17:14

Yeah, work would be the mid Yeah.

17:17

And then what dang, you don't like that gen

17:19

Z term that I didn't. I've been liking that one

17:21

lately. I'm learning a lot of them

17:23

from our our new camera maan

17:25

named Cupcake.

17:26

Yeah. And then what's the what's

17:29

the crash them to get.

17:31

I'd say, trying to break each other's neck, That's what I

17:33

used. That's a long get it

17:35

out quick though. Again, So

17:39

I was working the antlers some, but

17:41

just not a lot of those loud cracks, you know, just

17:44

like you can just kind of tell.

17:45

That they're working two year olds

17:47

getting after that exactly, yeah, yeah.

17:48

Yeah, and then sure enough,

17:51

Well then I had enough time to

17:53

put the antlers down.

17:55

How long are you rattling in a sequence? So

17:57

that was like forty five seconds?

17:59

Okay? Uh?

18:00

I think as the

18:02

rout press is on, I'm willing to rattle

18:04

for a lot longer. Really, yeah, I

18:06

think, Well,

18:09

you say really because you didn't hear me rattle a lot longer

18:11

than that the other day, because I was using your rattling antlers and they

18:13

made me tired real fast.

18:15

Well, but no, I say

18:18

that because I feel like that

18:20

when the big bucks get to fighting, the fights are

18:22

over quick.

18:23

Yeah.

18:23

I think that I have a

18:26

grander scheme on calling that

18:29

I could discuss right here, right quick, if you can

18:31

get me back on point here in a second.

18:34

I think that humans

18:37

a lot of times are too concerned

18:39

with realism as opposed

18:41

to what kills deer, and I

18:43

think that a

18:47

three to five minute rattling sequence is

18:50

unrealistic. But I think that

18:52

especially in Texas and some of the

18:54

you know, the high deer dynasty areas. I

18:57

think that they hear it.

18:59

And it keep going and going, and then it just

19:01

gets them to where they have to come check it out.

19:04

I don't want I don't like

19:06

having to do this to you. But I disagree with the

19:09

realism thing. I mean, I like realism.

19:11

I think I think that people don't

19:13

realistically rattle must really well.

19:16

People have heard them fight about sound, though

19:18

it's more about the sound, right, well,

19:22

I think so.

19:24

I think when I watch people rattle, a

19:27

lot of times it does

19:29

not sound like to

19:32

me, they just go as

19:38

many times as possible, right, But those

19:40

deer pushing against each other, and there's

19:42

times when it's just it's almost got

19:44

like a scraping against the kind

19:48

of take the work, you know, like make them

19:50

sound like they're locked for a second. They got to work it

19:52

out. Like that's how That's how I rattle,

19:55

because I mean, I've been blessed to hang

19:57

around some corn piles in my life in

19:59

Kansas and watch and hear

20:01

bucks fight and learn that.

20:04

But I mean, I think a lot of people just rot

20:06

around Ralph

20:08

just one big long say the same saying. But

20:10

maybe that's what it feels to your point.

20:13

Maybe that's the that's the that's how it works,

20:15

and maybe that's why I didn't route on nothing.

20:16

You know what, I think my favorite sound

20:19

if it's hot and heavy time.

20:20

That's probably what I call it. Hot and heavy, and I'm talking

20:22

about the most intense. I

20:24

don't like to be able to if you can imagine,

20:27

uh.

20:28

Like twisting off a crawfish head,

20:31

you know.

20:31

What I'm saying to do, if you can imagine

20:33

that motion, but fast and hard holding

20:36

on the base handlers that like.

20:38

I like to do that a lot because I imagine,

20:42

I imagine, I imagine it's for sure

20:44

a Southern things.

20:45

That's I mean, that's that's that's what effect

20:48

effective efficient speak.

20:50

That's right. Imagine there's

20:52

an apostrophe in there. I think. I imagine that you

20:56

got two big old bucks and

20:59

as they are pushing on one another like

21:01

that, and then all of a sudden, one feels

21:03

an open. It's like a fighter in the USC, right,

21:05

he feels an opening, So he's gonna he's gonna

21:07

change his technique right quick.

21:09

And he goes and then just flips

21:11

his neck around, you know, And that's a lot of force there.

21:14

There ain't a lot stronger force than a

21:16

deer.

21:16

Moving his head from you because

21:19

you saw a video recently of some.

21:22

Oh my goodness, yeah

21:25

buddy, if you ever think you're gonna whoop

21:27

a deer that weighs the same.

21:28

As you know, you're not more. Yeah.

21:31

So, uh, I

21:34

think that it's

21:36

not always about the realism. It's about

21:38

the effect. Okay, So, and the effect

21:41

is what what do you want the effect.

21:42

To go to kill the deer? Okay?

21:44

But what is the effect of the rattling that you need

21:46

to get that done in your So.

21:48

In that case it was more realistic,

21:51

but.

21:53

Because that's what's kind of going on that time of year.

21:55

But when the testosterone is peeked or

21:57

whatever is going on later in the rut, some

22:00

times it's about just

22:02

doing.

22:02

The thing somewhere

22:04

they can't help themselves.

22:06

You know. It's kind of almost like this is this

22:08

might be a little bit of a crude example, and I'll

22:10

try to keep it PG, but like there

22:12

are false indicators that

22:15

women used to attract men, like

22:18

uh, lipstick or

22:20

plastic surgery on certain body parts and

22:23

things like that that just don't even look natural, but for

22:25

some reason it attracts men. You know what I'm saying,

22:27

And so I think there's a little bit yeah

22:30

then big old caterpillar things.

22:33

Yeah, you go.

22:36

But uh, you know, one

22:38

of the greatest examples, I feel like is

22:40

the wings on the eyeliner, you know,

22:42

kind of go way out like that's very unnatural,

22:45

Like there's nothing that really looks like that right

22:47

on a human's face. But for some reason

22:50

it became a popular thing to do or

22:53

see. Some of the stuff is for girls to think

22:55

that the other girls are cool. But either way, you

22:58

get what I'm saying, Like those things aren't now, but

23:00

they work to attract the opposite

23:03

sex or just in the deer hunting case,

23:06

the the maybe it's like Alabama

23:08

rig yes, which may

23:10

or may not be natural, or a spinner bait. They ain't a little

23:12

like a spinner bait out there, you know what I mean. And

23:16

so I think that, you know, three four

23:18

five minute calling rattling sequences

23:21

in the heat of the rut in a high

23:23

deer dynasty area could work really

23:26

well. And I

23:28

have some other thoughts on other calling that we'll

23:30

talk about here in a little bit.

23:32

So go back. You asked me to get you back on

23:34

track. Give me back you went into a mid

23:37

sequence. Yeah for this deer uh huh

23:39

as opposed to something that would be called hot

23:42

and heavy.

23:42

Yeah, and kind of had

23:45

a very you know the

23:47

result that you hope to happen. In about

23:50

two to three minutes, a dough comes

23:52

out into the clearing

23:55

and she is a

23:57

little bit antsy uh And

23:59

that makes you feel good. And you see a doe kind of being a little

24:01

bit weird and she's not weird because

24:03

of you. That's a good thing, right. You

24:06

can probably give a little insight

24:08

to this, But like those for sure coming

24:10

to rattling, just like those,

24:14

did you rattle in this?

24:15

So I was.

24:15

I rattled a morning in a very

24:18

remote on a very remote piece of private

24:21

that we had permission

24:23

to hunt as well, and I

24:27

we rated. I can't remember how many rattled

24:29

in. I would think like four or five. Potentially

24:32

one might have been a group of two, but

24:34

we rattled in two of them to ten yards

24:37

at different times that morning,

24:40

and so, I mean it was very interesting.

24:42

I wonder if that's because

24:44

it was I think it was Halloween, so

24:47

I wonder if that was because it's still just

24:50

like I here's my thoughts when

24:52

the dose start getting really pestered,

24:55

which is happening right now up

24:57

there. They all of a sudden, I

24:59

think, shut off a lot of their

25:02

normal patterns and go

25:04

into thicker cover. They don't hang out in the open as

25:06

much unless they're in full estrus,

25:08

or they might they

25:11

might just be quick to go across

25:13

openings or get to food or whatever.

25:16

And I think that prior to

25:18

being nosed around really hard. And

25:21

what's really cool about what you and I get to do, man,

25:24

this we get to we get to sit

25:26

out for seven days and watch

25:28

different phases of the rut. And we did this couple

25:31

maybe a year or two ago, maybe

25:33

on buck truck.

25:34

We did it on buck truck.

25:35

We went like November one was the

25:37

first day we hunted, and we got to see the

25:39

rut go from November one to November

25:42

eighth or whatever, and that was a huge

25:44

change. Yeah, it is. It's crazy. And then

25:47

we saw it recently on November

25:50

or October twenty ninth or so thirtieth

25:52

whatever day that was twenty ninth I

25:54

think was when we started, maybe, and then

25:56

we see it go all the way to the fifth and

25:58

there's a lot that's different. So I guess not

26:01

to get crazy long winded here, but like

26:04

on October thirty first, the does

26:06

were interested in what in the world was going

26:08

on down there. They hadn't heard that yet.

26:09

Know, last year I

26:13

was home with the guy I don't remember November second,

26:15

he rattled in a dough.

26:17

I almost wonder if a

26:21

knockdown drag out on Halloween

26:24

and a lot of places. Actually, there's a

26:26

reason I had didn't ride Atlanta Buck, you

26:28

know what I mean, Like, I

26:30

just wonder if they're just like, man,

26:33

I'm just not quite there. I don't really

26:35

want to go over there. I don't know, it's weird.

26:38

I'm sure there's a lot of people that send us a message

26:40

and be like, oh, I rattled this one out.

26:42

I'd love to kind of get more opinion on

26:44

this from people.

26:46

If you want to send us a messages kind of short

26:48

and sweet, maybe what state

26:50

you're in and what you see with rattling.

26:53

That would be kind of an interesting polling Dada, and maybe we can

26:55

share that later. So

26:58

that dough came out and

27:01

was acting a little bit anxious.

27:03

She was feeding, but her head was up.

27:05

She'd look around and then she'd like really

27:07

focus on her right, not

27:10

at us, you know, like at ninety

27:12

or like one hundred and ten degrees from straight front

27:14

of her.

27:15

And that always again another telltale

27:17

sign. You need to learn to.

27:18

Read deer if you if you don't

27:20

know, like Tyler

27:23

is the best at it.

27:24

He can look at a.

27:25

Deer and be like that DearS looking at another

27:27

deer, and he's right every time. Okay,

27:29

Like it's crazy.

27:32

I've learned it some too,

27:34

And that was what she was doing, and I was like, she's

27:36

for sure?

27:36

And then we hear.

27:39

And there it's the sound of a buck work

27:41

and a scrape. He's got his answers. Yeah,

27:44

that's cool. How far from me?

27:46

It sounded like sixty yards? And I'm pretty

27:49

sure it's about what it was?

27:50

Was she was she coming to

27:52

the rattling or was she being

27:54

pushed by that deer? What do you what do you think actually

27:56

was going on there? She kind of like bounded out there

27:58

and then was she coming to eat?

28:00

I don't know. I think that

28:02

maybe he was. Here's what I think happens. Okay.

28:05

I think that.

28:08

Bucks oftentimes, especially

28:11

like mid range age bucks like say three

28:13

and a half four and a half year old bucks will

28:15

find them a dough and almost play the lottery

28:18

and be like, I'm locking down on her early,

28:21

and I'm gonna get to breed her for sure if

28:23

I stick around for.

28:23

A few days. And I think that's

28:26

what's going on.

28:26

I think he's with her because he's

28:29

thinking, Okay, I got me one.

28:31

She's she's starting to smell pretty

28:33

pretty sweet. I'm gonna

28:35

stick it.

28:36

Out with her. And I think that's what was going on.

28:39

I'm not sure, but it's kind of one of them hypotheses

28:41

that hypothesis hypotheses

28:43

would be plural, I

28:46

need to use the plural. Yeah, probably one

28:48

of those Yeah, those would imply

28:51

plural yeah, hypotheses that I'm not sure.

28:55

Even helps a lot.

28:56

But it's just like one of those things that is

28:59

kind of need to But I think that's what was going

29:01

He was with her, I believe, because

29:03

she it would be strange for

29:05

her to be by herself at

29:07

that point in the year. And I hear that, and

29:10

then it's like, Okay,

29:13

I'm gonna slowly get my bow because.

29:14

There's a decent chance that this is a year that

29:17

I'm interested in. And sure enough, he

29:19

does that.

29:21

And the way that this opening sets

29:23

up is it's kind of like a kidney bean, and it kind

29:25

of has that bend in the middle a little bit, so he has

29:27

to come to the other end of it to see

29:29

who was down there messing around aka me

29:31

giving him the med antlers. And

29:34

he just kind of strolls down, kind of puffed up

29:36

like he's the boss, and I was like,

29:39

brother, that ain't what you get to do round here.

29:43

You saw him puff up a little bit.

29:46

He wasn't like bug

29:48

eyed, you know, but he was just like he

29:51

had that that kind of lope.

29:53

Thing to his walk, you know what I mean, Like Connor

29:55

McGregor. Yeah, Like, I'm not I

29:57

ain't worried about y'all. I'm gonna go down to see what's

29:59

going on.

30:00

And when I first saw him, he was about

30:02

forty yards and he had his head

30:04

down and I could tell that

30:07

his beams went out and wrapped

30:09

back in pretty good, and he had pretty

30:11

decent time.

30:11

Length, and I'm like, oh, I'm shooting this deer for sure. And

30:16

then he just comes like right

30:18

bias and gives me a perfect broadside

30:21

fifteen And man,

30:24

when you see that pocket open up, it's real. It's

30:27

hard not to shoot.

30:28

I see it on those all the time, and I'm like, oh,

30:31

why can't I just shoot this thing?

30:33

And so I drew back and I

30:35

expected, so I always expect

30:38

deer to stop when I draw. I think it's just years

30:40

of hunting.

30:41

Texas public land, where like they're

30:43

going to freak out when you do that, you know.

30:45

But honestly, he didn't

30:47

stop at all. And I macked him once kind

30:49

of soft, and you just kind of slowed down his

30:52

walk, didn't look up at me, and

30:54

then that kind of gave him a little bit more a mac kind

30:56

of thing, and he finally stops, but still doesn't look

30:58

up at me.

30:59

And I I.

31:01

Squo was the trigger, squazed baby,

31:04

and ripped him and he ran like

31:06

ten yards, stopped and

31:08

looked around, and then blood started coming out

31:10

that hole pretty good. And then he went

31:12

another like walked another twenty

31:14

yards and fell over and

31:17

very lay soaked him.

31:20

And the shot I want

31:22

to talk about a little bit, Okay, if

31:25

I was to draw his spot on the deer when he stopped,

31:27

you know that, you know, like a lot of guys will post

31:30

like a grid and be like.

31:31

What where are you at? People be like a seven

31:33

or whatever.

31:34

You know, if I

31:36

was to pick a pick a little, you

31:38

know, two inch square, yeah,

31:40

one inch square. I mean then it was on the

31:43

spot. It was as money as

31:45

I could have picked a place to

31:47

aim.

31:48

I felt like, what

31:50

did you hit?

31:51

So I always, if given the opportunity,

31:55

do a.

31:57

What crops is it a neck? Cropsies? That's

32:00

word?

32:00

I think, So the I don't want to see what's

32:02

going on in there, right, So I'm

32:05

going to tell you I shot him with a three

32:08

three blade fixed blade, a.

32:10

Highly regarded tough fixed blade.

32:12

I like it a lot. I still will use it because

32:14

it it's it's smoked them.

32:18

But I

32:21

ended up hitting.

32:23

The rear lobe of both lungs

32:26

and really took care of the liver

32:28

really well. And so it's

32:30

a double lung with also

32:33

liver because but no heart. No heart

32:36

deer people, I

32:38

think, and I'm learning this stuff too.

32:41

We try to think about deer on

32:44

a two dimensional plane with their vitals, and

32:46

that's not how it works. Stuff tucks up in there

32:48

in between stuff, and so like you

32:51

can have weird stuff where you hit lungs and stomach

32:53

and things like that. And and oh, by the way,

32:55

there's a whole esophagus

32:58

that runs through there too, So like sometimes

33:01

you'll have something weird where it's like a heart shot, you

33:04

know, effectively really more of an artery shot,

33:06

but then you've got some stomach matter on there and as well

33:08

it's just because the deer has some food,

33:11

you know, in his gullet or whatever, and it

33:13

could get weird. But I guess what I'm saying is that,

33:15

like, uh, the

33:18

vitals are more complex.

33:19

Than what people like to make them sometimes. So here

33:22

here's I'll also say this real quick.

33:24

Yeah, I would have preferred to hit

33:26

him further forward than I did.

33:29

Really, Yeah, I feel like you were so close to

33:31

that elbow. Mmmm.

33:34

We need to post a picture of the

33:36

whole at some point, like just like

33:38

I got one of the middle like right

33:41

after.

33:41

You hit right.

33:41

Yeah, I

33:44

would love to. I would love for people's

33:46

thoughts on that, but I got so many big buck

33:48

pictures on my phone right now.

33:49

It's a good thing. I got to figure out which one it is. It's

33:51

a good thing.

33:55

I feel like it just blows

33:57

my mind that you missed the heart.

33:59

Yeah.

33:59

Did the exit come out further back than

34:01

the entry entry? I

34:05

feel like a little bit, I mean

34:07

just barely.

34:08

I mean the exit is far and a

34:10

forward that it didn't get any stomach.

34:14

But it felt like the entry was right

34:16

behind the elbow. I mean, it felt like like it

34:18

almost looks like where I hit that fifty

34:20

yard shot that everybody has.

34:21

Been the see.

34:23

I think maybe you're remembering a little bit more. Maybe

34:27

it's just it's such a it's

34:29

not bad. I mean, it's not a it's

34:31

not what I would call a twelve ring. But it's absolutely

34:34

like you're fist pumping as soon as the deer runs off.

34:36

And so you didn't you didn't put a hole

34:39

in the lungs. You just hit them

34:41

on the edge. Is that what you're saying.

34:43

It's good enough to where if

34:45

it was just the lungs and not the liver, he would have died,

34:49

but not so good that he had blood

34:51

coming out.

34:51

I mean, like, I guess what I'm saying, is there there

34:54

wasn't margin on all sides of the hole, or

34:56

was it was there on one of them in the lungs and on

34:58

one of them the near side?

35:00

Probably?

35:00

Okay, that's interesting

35:03

to me. Yeah, So, and the deer, it took a

35:05

once he laid down, it took a little bit.

35:06

It took a little while.

35:07

It was Uh, you know, I think this happens

35:10

a lot in deer hunting, but a lot of times they run off

35:12

and die in the woods and we

35:14

don't really know, you know, the you're

35:16

supposed to give every deer thirty minutes, right, it's kind of

35:18

the way we do things. And it took

35:20

him every bit of that to stop wheedling. Yeah,

35:23

it's kind of a I mean, for

35:25

the captive audience here, it was a

35:27

little unnerving to see. I mean, I thought about shooting

35:29

him again a couple times, just to try to make it

35:32

happen faster, but I didn't have a clear shot

35:34

at where he was.

35:34

He was like forty five yards away when he when he

35:36

expired, and.

35:39

I would have had to like get down, and I

35:41

was worried that if I got down, he was gonna

35:43

like freak out.

35:44

You know, how deer could they? You know, we

35:47

talk about it, or y'all.

35:49

Do I should say in waterfowl,

35:51

you know, they catching a second wind to recoup or whatever,

35:54

you know, And like I didn't want him to like get

35:56

a shot of adrenaline, because he had no adrenaline

35:59

when I shot him.

36:00

No clue what happened. He just walked

36:02

off like, oh, I kind of feel weird and then got

36:04

real weird. Would you.

36:07

If you had to make an assumption here, would

36:10

it have been a different result if you had a mechanical.

36:14

No, maybe just a little quicker

36:16

to die, But that's just about

36:19

how big.

36:20

The Do you think his reaction would have been different potentially?

36:22

Actually, that's a good question because I think that mechanicals

36:25

slap a lot of times, especially

36:27

on a fast bow at

36:29

close range. I think it's a pow, you know, especially

36:32

if you're shooting a front opener. I

36:34

think it's a big deal, and even some rear

36:36

openers a lot of times, like say like a very popular broadhead

36:38

like a rage.

36:39

You're not cutting on impacts, You're poking.

36:42

And I can promise you the difference

36:44

in getting sliced with the razor or getting poked with a

36:46

cactus needle. I mean you can

36:48

think about, like which one of those hurts worse?

36:50

You know what I mean?

36:51

And so like I do think I

36:54

learned this a long time ago from Chris b.

36:56

I watched him shoot a deer in Michigan,

36:59

a dink you know it. Crispy usually shoots

37:03

I'm kidding.

37:03

Uh yeah, but uh

37:05

he's a Dinkerman.

37:06

Yeah, it's him. No, he's he's

37:08

a friend. So sorry, guys, I'm not trying to throw

37:11

shade there. He

37:13

he shot this deer with a fixed p big

37:15

deer. He does a big deer.

37:18

He doesn't really care what I say.

37:21

And so he shot

37:23

a deer with a fixed blade at

37:25

close range like fifteen yards and

37:28

the exact same result, like the deer

37:30

like took one bound and then's just like what happened

37:32

and then fell over dead.

37:33

Yeah, which I think is really cool.

37:36

I shot the one I shot in Iowa. You're

37:38

talking about the Iowa trip, you know, I went

37:41

back or whatever. Shot a deer with a two blade

37:43

fixed blade is really sharp. In

37:45

fact, I cut myself like three times that year

37:47

on and I cut

37:50

myself getting these brought heads out of the package. Yeah,

37:52

yeah, a couple.

37:53

Well I shot.

37:54

I shot that deer kind of on a quarter or two

37:57

through the shoulder blade and he ran

37:59

twenty yards.

38:00

Was like, what what's going on here? In the sleep

38:02

and just and he went down quit.

38:04

He mean he expired quickly.

38:07

But I mean this deer that I shot was I

38:10

mean absolutely smoked.

38:12

I mean there was uh, you

38:14

know, blood pouring at both sides. It just took

38:16

a while, and they're tough, and this time of year they're even

38:19

tougher sometimes because they are just rutted up

38:21

and they just have a will to live like

38:24

humans don't even understand.

38:25

Sometimes, No we don't, dude.

38:27

I mean, dude, if you shot me through the vitals

38:29

of the broadhead, I'm not making it three

38:31

seconds.

38:32

Just open the good Lord welcomes

38:35

me this open arms. I

38:37

was the deer last year and I cut myself.

38:42

I was on the verge of dying. I

38:45

cut my finger on this one. I didn't

38:47

need to get you that super good.

38:48

That's all. It's all done now these it's

38:50

not too bad.

38:52

By the end of the year, all have cuts all over my fingers between

38:55

hanging sets and cleaning deer.

38:57

Hanging sets is just hard on the knuckles. I

38:59

got. I got a pretty give one right there on my right

39:01

knuckle. Yeah that I can feel

39:03

pretty good.

39:04

But yeah, so that's the story out

39:06

there. He's a great Buck's super pump. To shoot

39:08

him, I think he's probably three and a half, which

39:10

is totally cool with me, you know, I'll

39:13

say tell you for sure. I aspired

39:15

to shoot bigger deer than him, but I was

39:17

super stoked.

39:18

Susan Sam was like, that's a shooter.

39:20

Uh, And I'm thankful

39:22

to shot him too, because I got a little

39:24

bit of a lark, a late

39:26

start, a lark a lot.

39:30

Just naturally doing it.

39:31

That's right, dude, I'm

39:33

a little bit of a late start to my season because

39:36

I had to set out kind of some of the first things

39:38

because me and my wife had a child, and I was happy

39:40

to do that.

39:41

But now it's time to make up

39:43

for lost ground.

39:44

And you know, when you do that kind

39:46

of stuff, the first good looking buck

39:48

comes by, it is in real big.

39:49

Danger and tee dude, Well that's

39:52

good, that's awesome. It's congrats

39:54

on that.

39:54

Thank you. I would say, what

39:56

do you think the effects.

39:57

Of you guys going down there, getting

40:00

them out in the dark near near

40:02

quote unquote food plot right had

40:06

on that area?

40:07

Well, I don't know because we

40:09

weren't there very long, so I don't know what was

40:11

going on there beforehand, but we.

40:13

Know what was going on there after.

40:14

Yeah, I encourage you to go down

40:17

there and hunt too, because of how much sign

40:19

there was and it seemed to be a good amount

40:21

of bucks around, and

40:24

you did see some bucks,

40:26

but I think maybe it

40:28

did take a.

40:29

Day for it to kind of cool, to kind of chill out.

40:32

But you never really saw anything that

40:35

was in the shooter category.

40:36

And I passed one kind

40:38

of tough pass. Yeah, probably another three year

40:40

old nine point kind of thin

40:43

antlered had split had extras

40:46

on both G two's and maybe

40:50

he had an extra on a brow tye

40:52

or something like that too, And real

40:54

nice buck came work to scrape, like legit,

40:57

I arranged it this morning. He would have been

40:59

he would have been straight yard, straight line,

41:01

six yards from my face where

41:04

I was sitting very

41:06

close to us, and it was really

41:08

cool. We got cool footage of it too. But

41:12

outside of that, deer denk

41:15

city down there, and I only

41:17

saw at most maybe three deer on

41:20

any set, and including

41:22

the last the last three sets were two doughs.

41:25

Then I saw in the next set one dough

41:27

and then I saw this morning zero

41:29

deer from my tree stand.

41:31

Well, now here's the thing that you end up with down

41:33

there, too, is that the

41:38

winds kind of swirl around a little bit, so I think sometimes

41:40

you might be doing more damage than you think you are. Yeah,

41:42

you know, I kind of had a little bit of a first time end kind

41:44

of thing when I killed that deer. Yeah,

41:47

and then also

41:51

you could have deer getting by you because

41:53

you can't see everything. And then

41:55

I think the the biggest point,

41:58

if I can remember it is

42:00

is I think you get a lot of

42:02

Yeah, you get a lot of dinks on

42:04

those scrapes. I feel like it's the

42:06

part of the root that they really get to participate

42:08

in.

42:09

Yeah, you know, it's kind of no harm,

42:11

no foul.

42:11

It's like them little dudes in the gym that you

42:14

know, like a buck fifty five but rips,

42:16

they got abs, you know, and it's like.

42:18

We'll go around talking a bunch of noise, but

42:20

they like to flex.

42:21

In the in the mirror and all that kind of stuff, you know,

42:23

and so or you know, if

42:25

you're a buck fifty five, no offense, Okay, I

42:27

mean it's great weight, good for you.

42:29

Well, Casey Knight's abuck sixty.

42:31

He is. And I wouldn't call him a

42:33

flexer. No, No,

42:36

he's flexible, but no, it's about it.

42:38

He is.

42:39

It's about it, and he's he actually told me

42:41

this morning he doesn't believe in the muscle.

42:44

It's ridiculously actually, I put the

42:46

words in his mouth, but he thought it was awesome. That's

42:49

yeah.

42:50

So anyway, Casey, we

42:52

we you killed another deer. Yes,

42:54

do we need to tell another podcast on that

42:56

one. There's a lot of

42:58

tactics around there this one.

43:00

Let's just make this a big party and

43:02

then we'll have another podcast

43:05

where we talk some tactics about an actual giant.

43:07

Yeah, you were whatever you

43:09

were. You were, you were being chef boy

43:11

r D for a little bit on this trip. I appreciate

43:14

it was a time.

43:16

It's a big help to Uh, it's a

43:18

big help.

43:19

When I mean we have a lean crew

43:21

this year guys, and uh, we're

43:25

we love the guys that we've been hunting

43:27

with on this trip. And but you

43:29

know, for us to to with

43:31

all the tags we had and we're trying

43:33

to fill, there hadn't been a whole lot of editing

43:36

or podcasting going on as you've seen. So, you

43:39

know, with with all the things

43:41

that we do in the evening that have have you

43:43

know that in regards to footage, especially

43:46

right pictures, editing all these different

43:48

things, we you

43:51

know, we it's hard to get

43:53

food cooked for you, so it was nice

43:56

for yourself. So it was nice to have you

43:58

having hot stuff ready. Man, that was a huge

44:00

help. And I was really tired

44:02

because I was working hard. There was the property that I

44:04

was telling you about. I was rattling us.

44:07

I was hunting up there quite a bit early

44:09

on in our trip. And uh, it's

44:11

an hour from the time you leave the little cabin

44:13

we were staying in. It is it is almost

44:16

exactly an hour before you get out and

44:18

start to start walking. And

44:20

then you got to walk in this to this place

44:22

is not very good access and uh,

44:25

hang a stand potentially, which I did the first

44:27

day. We just saw deer in the ditch. Was

44:29

his head completely severed in the middle of a

44:31

town

44:32

like town somebody took that

44:35

buck's head in the middle of a town.

44:37

Yeah.

44:37

Uh anyway, so anyway

44:40

that that that was a big

44:42

help.

44:42

But you a side

44:44

not on this.

44:46

It is a game changer if

44:48

you can just even have a kitchen head

44:50

instead of a motel room.

44:52

And I just think people don't like to eat like you do.

44:55

I think I'm not no, no,

44:57

I'm saying like you like you

44:59

know, the whole foods and no seedles, all

45:02

that stuff. I think there's a bunch of people that love just

45:04

going to Dagum.

45:06

Well, I'm sure they do.

45:07

And don't get me wrong, dude,

45:09

a mixed chicken is tasty. I didn't

45:11

have one, probably in four years,

45:13

but I don't know if I've ever had

45:15

one. They're good. I know

45:18

it's not the best. But you don't actually hate me Donalds

45:20

because it tastes bad.

45:21

You just do.

45:23

Probably the worst burger there is is the

45:25

worst burger of fast food.

45:27

You might be right, But.

45:30

Indicator, Yeah, they're indicators

45:32

there that like there's something tasty. The fries

45:34

are good, you know, like YadA YadA.

45:37

But the point I want to make is

45:39

that if

45:41

you do that for five days straight, you're gonna feel

45:43

terrible. And having

45:46

a kitchen net where you can make some burritos

45:49

or you know, cook up some eggs and bacon

45:51

or whatever, or even just bringing in one of them little

45:53

hot plate deals or whatever, you know, just a to

45:55

do a little bit of cooking. Eating a Dagum

45:57

avocado will make you feel so much better than friends

46:00

fries.

46:00

At the Miller Gas Station Pizza, we

46:03

got a crew of green eaters right now. We don

46:06

greeters, but.

46:09

Yeah, uh ushers

46:12

h so uh.

46:14

That was my side note to what you're trying to get

46:16

to. You're trying to get to something was getting to another the next

46:19

year. So for one day

46:21

I played chef boy r D and did some cooking. Tyler

46:23

and I don't like to do this too much, but sometimes

46:26

it's what's the most efficient thing for

46:28

us to split up when we're on the road.

46:31

Yeah, I mean, you just can't be missing too many rout days,

46:33

you know.

46:34

So, uh, we decided

46:36

to be good for me to head up to South Dakota

46:38

and try to do some hunting there, maybe get

46:40

some scouting done in preparation

46:43

for h Tyler to kill

46:45

a Nebraska and come on up. Well, uh,

46:49

don't get there really in time the first evening to

46:51

do too awful much. We we did kind

46:54

of do some scouting, didn't find

46:56

a whole lot that we were super pumped about,

46:59

and so we

47:01

decide that we're

47:03

gonna go into this place it's

47:06

way back in the middle of.

47:07

Nowhere for the next day.

47:09

Just assume there's no pressure back there, and

47:11

it's almost like, let's get that out of the way

47:14

so that we can go focus on these other things.

47:17

You assume there's no pressure, why

47:21

use how hard it.

47:22

Is to get to.

47:23

For a couple of reasons, it's hard to get to, it

47:26

doesn't look great on the map,

47:29

and in general, there's

47:31

not a lot of people deer hunting right now. It's bird

47:33

season in South Dakota, so there's a lot of pheasant

47:36

and all that stuff going on.

47:37

So it's just.

47:38

It's just not really south

47:41

if you know South Dakota, it's not really a deer hunting state too

47:43

much, you know.

47:43

I mean the definitely is some deer house kind of

47:45

there's kind of a cap.

47:47

Yeah, like those deer they have harsh winters,

47:49

so once they get to four or five,

47:52

I don't know, I just feel like there's they kind of get short

47:55

timed up there. A lot of them are two, so they

47:57

just doret and so

47:59

like they just one of the things we notice in general is

48:01

that, you know, for

48:03

body sized to antler size, that a

48:05

lot of these deer were kind of I

48:08

don't know, it's kind of like elk. You know, they'll have decent main

48:10

beams and their times will be short liver and it's like a drought

48:12

year.

48:12

And I think that was kind of a thing. Yeah, well, uh,

48:15

we decided to go off from this place. It's way back.

48:18

We're gonna like try to get it out of the way before

48:20

you show up, and you

48:22

and I can just do a pow wow. And we

48:25

kind of had a strategy for the thing we're gonna

48:27

do. We're gonna do some scrape hunting and do some

48:29

really ruddy type things, which we'll

48:31

get to in another podcast.

48:33

Y'all should be excited about that. But so

48:38

I'm hunting with Greg. You know, Greg, Greg's

48:41

filming me. And Greg

48:44

is great on these type of hunts because he's he's

48:46

a good hunter and he

48:48

he thinks things through health strategy.

48:50

Yeah, he's super stealthy and

48:53

uh stealthy Greg. I think that's a good nigga.

48:56

Is that it? Yeah, that's pretty good stealthy

48:58

Greg. And uh so we

49:00

decided to go back into this spot way back. I

49:04

bring like half a

49:06

liter of water.

49:07

I don't even like speaking in those terms, but a bottle

49:10

was a leader bottle.

49:11

So I know deer out there

49:13

is deer out there. I sill. I thought I saw a turkey eating

49:15

that pivot eating the pivot. Wow.

49:19

We saw a deer make a scrape on a pivot nozzle one

49:21

time. It's pretty cool. So,

49:24

uh, I bring a.

49:25

Half liter of water and

49:28

two peanut butter and jellies, and

49:30

that's about enough to get me through nine am.

49:35

I can tell you the mistake you made was beef

49:38

and jeeps? Is it?

49:39

Because as you know, after

49:41

this week, you can't just eat one

49:43

at its like, once you eat the first one,

49:45

it is so good that you have to have

49:48

another one.

49:48

There's a great tactic that you can use on

49:51

peeb and jeeves to.

49:53

Maybe like do a placebo

49:55

effect on yourself where you

49:57

tell you know you're gonna want a lot of them, so

49:59

you go make you a hazy and eat

50:01

it half and then jelly

50:03

on the half. But then you eat it and you say, oh, I

50:06

want another one bad, And then you're only eating one

50:08

whole sandwich, probably.

50:11

Because you're filling that first one. Pretty hate Yeah,

50:13

yeah, I mean.

50:14

You got quite I got quite a bit of jelly.

50:16

On it list.

50:17

And by the way, everyone strawberry

50:20

jelly is the elite jelly for peanut

50:22

butter and jelly.

50:22

Pretty good, Yeah, I say so. I would say so. Grape

50:25

is kind of the o g but strawberry is better.

50:27

I like all jellies, but strawberry

50:29

is probably just the best.

50:32

Okay, So we go back into

50:34

this spot and there's a

50:36

glass and knob.

50:37

It's it's kind of a weird deal. The

50:40

wind doesn't set up great for it.

50:41

So I picked this one glass knob to where my wind's not

50:43

blowing at a great or a terrible place,

50:46

but it's still going to kind of have deer work

50:48

through it.

50:48

Potentially well.

50:50

Ends up the wind is whipping, which is what

50:52

happens in plain states, which

50:54

is good in this situation. I end up

50:56

having wind just blow right over deer and

50:59

we get sitting down right at

51:01

legal shooting line, which is kind of perfect for

51:04

a glass and day. You know, like if you're gonna go in

51:06

there and hang you want to be back hung

51:08

up.

51:09

Todd wants to be hung up three days before it's actually

51:11

hunt in time. But I didn't do a good

51:13

job of that on this trip. That's all right, man, you

51:15

didn't need to well, I mean the

51:18

place I didn't kill on.

51:19

Hey, it gets real hard on

51:21

a morning hunt to get somewhere in time when

51:23

there's a lot of logistics involved, gates

51:25

and all this kind of stuff, and like a long walk,

51:28

like it's super difficult to get to a

51:30

place and time to hang. So

51:33

anyways, that's not what we're doing that morning.

51:36

So we went in there, sat down as

51:38

soon as sit down and see a dough in a fawn and

51:40

oh dear, and uh, I was like, I think.

51:42

It's a buck.

51:43

Well because it had its tail out doing the half

51:45

ze tail thing.

51:46

Well that wasn't the case. It was a dough.

51:49

But we proceed to kind

51:51

of have a slower morning until the sun's

51:53

sun starts poking up and then sure

51:55

enough deer start kind of crawling, and

51:57

uh, we count it probably, I

52:00

don't know, thirty dos and six

52:02

bucks totally, you know, and and two or three

52:04

of those are kind of dinkers, but we saw a couple of real

52:07

nice bucks and on public.

52:10

M yeah, I was only counting

52:12

deer towards my account that stepped on

52:14

public.

52:15

Really. Yeah, so thirty six deer on public

52:17

probably. Wow. The

52:20

dog groups are real big. I mean,

52:23

there'd be really dog groups of five or six

52:25

or seven. Yeah, so

52:27

you start having dough groups like that. There's a

52:29

lot of twins back there.

52:31

Okay, So is that because

52:34

do you think that dog groups will get smaller or have

52:36

gotten smaller even since then?

52:37

I think that the bucks will break them up, for sure. I don't

52:39

think it's intentional.

52:40

But I think that they a lot

52:42

of times them doughs go to run for their lives around

52:44

about.

52:45

This time, hear and tee. I saw them this morning.

52:47

Yeah, they they uh,

52:49

they do get receptive sooner or later, but they

52:52

aren't near as in the mood as the boys are sometimes.

52:55

But you know, yeah,

52:57

I know you don't say that's a married man. I can't

53:00

imagine they

53:04

what was where was it going with that? Sorry, you're seeing

53:07

thirty six dos.

53:08

Yeah, deer and some of the bucks were very

53:10

interesting, and we weren't really in position

53:12

to do a whole lot of like direct hunting.

53:14

We're like my bow is laying

53:16

on the ground over here next to me, you know, like I'm just

53:18

not gonna get a shot from where we're sitting. So I'm

53:20

not really serious about the deer. I'm kind of more tracking

53:23

where they go and what they do. And

53:25

uh, we see like a really nice

53:28

three or four year old to eight point probably four go

53:32

into a pocket of timber and

53:35

he has like a dinker with him, and so like

53:37

there's this thing I'm constantly

53:40

judging the temperature of

53:42

the rut and the bucks are together pretty

53:44

much. We see those

53:46

two and then they kind of join up with another one

53:49

or two like two year olds,

53:51

and they're like hanging out and

53:53

probably just down there kind of scraping and

53:55

doing a little bit of pre rut type stuff, but they're

53:58

just very much chill. And

54:01

then my attention gets directed kind

54:04

of one hundred and eighty degrees in a different dough

54:06

group because I kind of lose sight of them, And

54:09

we decide that there's a

54:11

section is property we can't see from where we're sitting,

54:14

so we're gonna get up and go check

54:17

that out and see what's over there. Well, as soon as

54:19

we get up, there's a

54:21

saddle behind us, like a topography

54:23

saddle, and we

54:26

stand up. There's a yearland that we bump

54:29

out of that saddle, and she goes run down the hill.

54:31

But yearlands are real stupid. If you don't know

54:34

this already, like you can get away with so much.

54:36

She didn't have a clue what happened. She didn't smell us. She's

54:38

ran downhill, and she attracted a lot of attention.

54:40

All of a sudden, deer starts standing up down here. A couple

54:42

of dose run down out of this drainage

54:45

to meet her, see

54:47

what's happening. A two

54:51

year old buck stands up from

54:54

kind of a hettie hole that we didn't even know was

54:56

there.

54:56

I love that phrase.

54:58

Yes, yeah, it's good stuff many and then

55:01

a three or four year old nine

55:03

point that's like pretty wide

55:05

with white antlers and

55:08

pretty tall times on a couple of them stands

55:10

up, and I'm like, I kind of get serious. So all of a sudden, I'm

55:12

like, man, that is a pretty nice buck. I

55:14

might would shoot that deer. You

55:16

know, they're kind of far. They're probably like two fifty,

55:19

so I don't I don't have a really great

55:21

bearing for how big he is, but I can just tell he's real

55:23

white, and uh, I

55:25

kind of get excited.

55:26

We kind of get down and just observe

55:29

what the deer doing.

55:30

And then it gets

55:32

even more interesting because a

55:35

heavy ten point with shorter times

55:38

comes down out of the hills and he's

55:40

acting ruddy. He's acting like,

55:42

okay, what are you bucks

55:44

doing standing up over here?

55:46

And he puts them on the road.

55:47

The deer that I was kind of excited thinking about

55:49

shooting goes with another

55:51

two year old and two dinks and they go around.

55:54

The corner, so subordinate point.

55:58

And why is that? Do you think? I

56:01

think a couple reasons. For

56:03

one, he's probably four or

56:06

older. You know, deer that you don't know. It's just real

56:09

hard to tell the older how old they are. But

56:11

he's for sure bigger body than them,

56:13

Yes he did.

56:15

He is for sure not to likely

56:18

not three, likely four, possibly

56:20

five plus, because at that point in time,

56:23

if you don't know him, it's kind of hard to tell, right.

56:25

It's like looking at a person.

56:26

You can tell that I'm not twenty,

56:29

but you can't tell if I'm thirty

56:31

or forty two.

56:32

And we got some friends that you can't tell for

56:34

fifty five or twenty five.

56:35

Depends on if I had my hat on or not, honestly, but

56:40

that's that's how this deer was, and I was. I

56:42

was kind of interested him too. But

56:45

where he he corralled a dough

56:47

and brought her back up into the hill into

56:50

a drainage where I couldn't see, and where they were

56:52

just absolutely did not set up good for

56:54

any kind of a stalk.

56:56

And so I was like, Okay, I'm just gonna let

56:58

them be. I know where they are at maybe

57:00

later today or later in the trip, I

57:03

can I can make

57:05

a play on that buck, you know, just kind of like

57:07

taking notes pretty much. It was just

57:09

I was very.

57:12

Uh what's the word here, nonchalant

57:16

about everything.

57:17

It was just taking it all in. Really.

57:18

It was just an exciting time to be in the woods,

57:20

you know, pretty good nonchalant.

57:23

You think, well, I was thinking, I mean, yeah,

57:25

and the deer I was thinking more just like taking it all

57:27

in in the deer woods.

57:28

Yeah, you do that pretty often.

57:31

Yeah, sometimes I missed the bigger point.

57:33

But it's maybe the more

57:35

serious point, but maybe not the bigger point.

57:37

Oh well, it's a good point.

57:41

So there's a part of this property that I really want.

57:43

To see that

57:46

I decided that we should

57:48

where initially we were headed to before

57:50

we bump that year land.

57:52

Uh.

57:52

And it's probably I don't know, three quarters

57:54

of a mile walk to get there through some train,

57:57

but it's worth going to look at.

57:59

We go there and.

58:02

It's like a glassing point that you can look down into

58:04

a creek and I find a couple of deer bedded

58:06

We reposition to make sure.

58:08

That they're just doze, and sure enough it's just some

58:10

doe.

58:11

We see like four does down in there, and we stay there

58:13

for about an hour and no

58:15

no bucks ever show up. We see a big giant rub,

58:18

so you know there's some around, so it kind

58:20

of makes you think, man, I should stick around and see if one

58:22

stands up to use the bathroom or to kind of check his doze

58:24

or whatever. Never happens. I look at greg

58:26

and said, hey, Gregor, I got to eat my last peanut butter and jelly.

58:29

This is number four. Yeah, this is number two, and

58:32

this is at like eleven forty. Yeah.

58:34

Remember you texted me throughout the day on

58:36

this study.

58:37

Yeah, and one of the first things you said was

58:39

I didn't bring enough sandwiches.

58:40

That's exactly right.

58:42

Well, I'm actually being real conservative

58:44

with my water, and it's neat because like,

58:46

once it gets cooler, you don't have to drink as much water.

58:49

I mean, it's probably good for you, but like as far

58:51

as like I'm dying of thirst,

58:53

you don't have that feeling as much, you know. So

58:55

there's a little buck right there, sure enough, little

58:57

Bucky by the road.

59:01

Hey, Tyler's got a tag boy buck get out here

59:03

telling you but ditches

59:06

are public land, right Yeah?

59:09

And uh, I look at Greg

59:12

and s Greg, I'm sorry, but I gotta go ahead and eat

59:14

my second sandwich, and he says, I ate my second one about an

59:16

hour and a half.

59:16

Ago, Greg,

59:19

Greg, he just look a sandwich.

59:20

I don't even know sure we're officially

59:23

out of food after I eat that sandwich.

59:25

You know another thing he did that was real stealthy. What's that He stepped

59:27

on one of our cameras and broke it? He did? Yeah,

59:31

Oh, Papa Leg Greg over here, man, it's needle

59:36

Greg. He's had all the nicknames.

59:37

We are a nickname. He kind of plays around here. So,

59:42

Uh, Anyways, we

59:44

decide that we're gonna

59:46

go trying to make a play on that first

59:49

nine point because where he went was something

59:52

that we could do kind of a low odds

59:54

but low impact play where

59:58

instead of trying to stalk up and shoot him a bed

1:00:00

because we don't really know where he's better, we just know what finger

1:00:02

he's in, We're going to work

1:00:04

our way around the end of the hill and call

1:00:07

up into that finger, uh

1:00:09

Cooley, whatever you want to call it.

1:00:11

That well,

1:00:13

I think about fingers as being like a

1:00:15

thing on a cove and a lake.

1:00:17

So I don't know if it makes is that what

1:00:19

you call him, like the secondary things

1:00:22

inside of it.

1:00:23

When people say that, I understand it, but I don't.

1:00:25

I don't think I call him.

1:00:26

When I say a finger, that's what

1:00:28

I think of. And I want to make sure I'm conveying the right

1:00:30

thing to people. So you

1:00:32

know, it's like a pocket, it's a draw.

1:00:35

It I call it a draw.

1:00:37

Uh, will be the best way to look at this

1:00:39

type of ground up in here. So

1:00:41

we go around the end of the hill. It's a it's a really

1:00:43

sneaky situation.

1:00:44

You know, the the wind's blowing pretty good, but there's

1:00:46

some real dry stuff because of the drought. So

1:00:49

uh, we sneak around the end of this hill real slow,

1:00:52

like glassing around. We

1:00:54

actually pop over the hill a little bit just

1:00:56

to kind of glass and see if we can get eyes on the deer.

1:00:58

Can't see him. Go back down, go all the way

1:01:00

around the end and set up in these little whisty

1:01:02

trees.

1:01:04

And decide that we're gonna do a little grunting

1:01:07

and rattling from there. And this is we

1:01:09

start doing a little bit of that old Michael

1:01:12

Hunsucker mid rattling with

1:01:14

some grunts involved, and

1:01:17

I do like probably forty five seconds of

1:01:19

it put the antlers down, and

1:01:22

not a whole lot has happened. I

1:01:24

look up the hill and I am up

1:01:27

in the thicket. I

1:01:29

see a dough and she's looking down in our direction.

1:01:31

She can't really see us, but the rattling has

1:01:33

apparently gotten the

1:01:35

attention of a deer, which is the intent.

1:01:40

So I'm glad it's happened, but we have to be

1:01:42

very still because this dough is looking around. And

1:01:44

a lot of times, if you let deer just

1:01:48

do their own thing, they'll kind of like.

1:01:51

Self perpetuate a situation, you know

1:01:53

what I'm talking about, Like if you initiate

1:01:57

something, all of a sudden a dog gets curious,

1:01:59

and then another doe sees her curious, and she gets

1:02:01

up, and then all of a sudden they start just doing this thing. Yeah,

1:02:04

and that's kind of what happened because she.

1:02:05

Usually if a buck's in the mix, like he'll

1:02:08

kind of like distract them sometimes and then

1:02:10

it'll all bust loose.

1:02:11

It's about two thirty when this is going on, too, so

1:02:14

it's real early in the day. But I think

1:02:16

they kind of like to get up around that time and stretch, use

1:02:18

the bathroom and maybe reposition or whatever.

1:02:21

Well, this dough is still looking around, and actually

1:02:24

she may have came down the hill or

1:02:26

went back or something.

1:02:27

I can't remember for sure, but well,

1:02:29

all looking at her, Grig says, there's

1:02:32

a dough right here behind a cedar tree, right in front of us,

1:02:34

and I'm looking. I can't find her. I can't find her.

1:02:36

Well, the most ambiguous

1:02:38

term in deer hunting is right here, because

1:02:42

to me, right here is a distance between

1:02:44

twenty five and in.

1:02:45

But the point of it is, you don't

1:02:48

understand, is be still. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1:02:50

Well I don't know if you know this, but I was already very

1:02:52

still.

1:02:53

So but you

1:02:55

never know when you're gonna not be still, especially

1:02:57

if I'm saying that to a Camera's.

1:02:59

What I eat. Situation.

1:03:01

Once we've established the right here, yeah,

1:03:03

we need to have a She's sixty yards

1:03:05

out, ok, but

1:03:07

we got there. Uh, he said, she's

1:03:09

right on the edge of the shadow. So that that made a

1:03:11

lot more sense, he said, shadow. No,

1:03:15

I can't right on the edge of the shadow shade.

1:03:19

Maybe

1:03:22

I'm the only one that does the a thing.

1:03:24

Yeah, a little bit, but I'm

1:03:26

just fo Yeah. No, that

1:03:29

is funny. I'm in mazone right now,

1:03:31

and I'm just I'm speaking. This is my real accent when

1:03:33

you're trying to up here and there. No, it's good

1:03:37

hand. Well, you know, I'm speaking at nine hundred

1:03:39

words a minute, so sometimes you got to slow down a little

1:03:41

bit. And so all

1:03:43

of a sudden, this no, she's got us maid.

1:03:45

I mean, she doesn't know where humans, but she knows there's

1:03:47

something over there and she's got to figure it out. So she

1:03:50

then walks to about thirty five

1:03:52

and then goes to stomping, and

1:03:54

I'm thinking, girl, you better

1:03:57

be so thankful that

1:03:59

we are so far back in

1:04:01

here and that I'm not trying

1:04:03

to kill a buck right now, because you're the

1:04:05

exact kind of dough I would like to just rip

1:04:08

the square.

1:04:09

Yes, she was. She was fully mature.

1:04:13

And so she stopping and goes to kind

1:04:15

of being weird, and I'm like, okay,

1:04:18

and here's.

1:04:18

The thing that I'm experimenting with. Guys.

1:04:21

I have decided that I'm an aggressive

1:04:24

deer hunter. Not always,

1:04:26

but if I'm on the ground, I'm absolutely going

1:04:28

to be an aggressive dinner deer hunter.

1:04:31

Deer hunting decision maker.

1:04:33

That's me and whenever you're

1:04:36

halfway made, you ain't got

1:04:38

nothing to lose.

1:04:40

I mean, once that dough is like, this is weird.

1:04:42

If you just conker down sooner later, she's gonna get

1:04:44

weird and it's gonna get bad. So if

1:04:47

you remember, back in buck Truck, I rattled

1:04:49

in a buck an awesome wide deer,

1:04:52

one of my most favorite deer I ever shot

1:04:54

to like thirty five yards.

1:04:56

He hangs up behind this

1:04:59

h bush and I give.

1:05:01

Him just a real soft snort wheeze,

1:05:03

and it like kind of calms him down to the point

1:05:05

where he has to come take another look. And that

1:05:08

was what punched his ticket, was

1:05:10

because he cleared his vitals and I could shoot him.

1:05:12

And I wasn't gonna shoot this dough. But I'm like, you

1:05:14

know what, I just did this rattling.

1:05:17

I did this a little bit of grunting. I'm

1:05:19

gonna make sure that I'm gonna

1:05:21

just sell it hard that I'm

1:05:23

a deer.

1:05:25

I mean, I know that anything

1:05:27

you want these days, I try. Man. I know

1:05:29

that they don't.

1:05:30

I don't really look like a deer over here, but

1:05:33

they're expecting a deer after all the rattling

1:05:35

and all.

1:05:35

That I'm just gonna make it. I'm just gonna make it like I'm a deer.

1:05:37

And I've heard those do this where if

1:05:40

there's a buck and he's kind of doing a bucky

1:05:42

thing, they'll like blow at

1:05:44

him. And as soon as she blew, I

1:05:48

went to snort wheeze and back at her. And

1:05:50

I know y'all gonna think I'm crazy, like

1:05:53

it's a weird thing to do. I probably throughout

1:05:55

the course of this, just to speed it up a little bit. I

1:05:57

bet I snort weeze thirty five times. It's

1:06:01

y'all will make fun of me until you see.

1:06:03

That made funny you in the in the Most

1:06:05

Bug video. Yeah they

1:06:08

will.

1:06:09

And uh that's okay because I

1:06:12

have did deer on the ground and that

1:06:14

sounds kind of cocky.

1:06:15

No sorry, I know what you're saying. It's like, well

1:06:18

it worked, it worked, and that's what.

1:06:19

I'm It goes back to the thing I was talking

1:06:21

about earlier, realism versus

1:06:23

what kills deer. That's a good good cap

1:06:26

on that point, right, you're

1:06:28

trying.

1:06:28

To kill a deer, O cap dog, You're trying to kill

1:06:31

a deer, Okay, And so uh,

1:06:34

I'm start we'sing back at her. She's snorting,

1:06:38

and uh, we're about to get gymmed done.

1:06:40

You can't just make decisions last

1:06:42

second and expect everybody to move out.

1:06:44

People.

1:06:45

There's a reason you're supposed to when you drive

1:06:47

eighteen wheelers of guys, If you're an eighteen millier driver, you should

1:06:49

keep your head on a swivel, you know what I mean. Yeah,

1:06:51

brother, you're kind of responsible for not killing

1:06:53

people.

1:06:54

So this dough takes a

1:06:56

couple of girls with her and rolls out to

1:06:58

ninety and they're

1:07:01

kind of like out in the valley and I look up the

1:07:03

hill and that little dose still up there. But

1:07:05

then I see a glistening

1:07:08

and glistening is always a good thing.

1:07:10

Like that Bush song listening.

1:07:13

Oh, I thought you were talking. Now

1:07:16

watch me hit this drive. Watch out for this alligator

1:07:19

in the world is I thought it was a baby

1:07:21

car. It is. It's a dagga may teen. Some

1:07:24

weird stuff going on right now.

1:07:26

That's a man that you would

1:07:28

take your entire front end of yours.

1:07:31

So I see that glistening up

1:07:34

quick whoa

1:07:37

and then loads everywhere, man wide, loads

1:07:39

all over the place.

1:07:43

Great. I know. I'm sorry y'all.

1:07:45

Aighty h t is thick around here. I

1:07:49

see, I can see the deer's body.

1:07:51

I put my bino's up, can see his body. This

1:07:54

is I'm gonna go ahead and just give a

1:07:56

plug. Okay, we get some some really

1:07:59

neat free stuff. We're not really rich, guys,

1:08:01

but we got some stuff because people give.

1:08:03

Us stuff free, and it's actually very nice. And

1:08:05

I have these sig what's

1:08:09

it called something?

1:08:11

Yeah, Zulu six, but what's that? What's the function called?

1:08:13

Uh, stabilizing bino's

1:08:16

And in these intense moments

1:08:18

when you're like kind of breathing hard and

1:08:20

you're at a position kind of holding up one hand like

1:08:24

they are money in that stuff, And

1:08:26

so I put those up, and I can see

1:08:29

the shadow of his antler on his body,

1:08:31

and I realize he's a big enough buck, just like I'm

1:08:33

oh, I'm serious about this deer.

1:08:36

And so I I now these

1:08:38

dos are out at ninety.

1:08:39

I grab my antlers and I just go to whipping the tar

1:08:41

out of this bush right beside me and just making

1:08:44

it, just making it rain, okay, And

1:08:47

sure enough I can see him he moves after

1:08:50

I snort with heze again, and I'm thinking,

1:08:52

Okay, it either went bad or good, So

1:08:54

I'm just gonna keep on doing what I'm doing and

1:08:57

either we don't see him again or we do.

1:08:59

And sure enough, he pops out at like ninety

1:09:02

and he's a wide ten point and

1:09:04

I'm like, oh, baby, that's a nice deer

1:09:06

and should you just let it fly? Yeah? Right there,

1:09:09

Just just crank that thing down on your

1:09:11

side until you feel.

1:09:12

Resistant clear

1:09:14

and that's another reason to shoot

1:09:17

fur fletch you get more clearance. But

1:09:21

ends up he's the same deer that we saw

1:09:23

earlier that was kind of the bully, and he's

1:09:25

got a harem of seven dos.

1:09:27

On November first, he is like the

1:09:29

dog.

1:09:30

Now, I will say this, I think that what would

1:09:32

happen is that around November

1:09:35

sixth or seventh, he will get kicked

1:09:38

out of that harem by maybe somebody

1:09:40

even bigger. Maybe not, but I think that

1:09:43

I think that does happen from time to time. But he'll

1:09:45

probably would get to breed some dose in

1:09:47

between there.

1:09:49

So he's the baddest dude in the area for now.

1:09:51

Yeah, and that that gets me excited when

1:09:54

he's the baddest dude. And that happened

1:09:57

on like a November one in

1:10:00

Kansas and buck Truck, I think,

1:10:03

or maybe it was the year before that

1:10:06

big wide deer that you chaste.

1:10:07

Yeah, that was the year before.

1:10:09

Yeah, that deer was out of ham too, and he

1:10:11

was also probably the baddest dude the

1:10:13

whole season. But yeah,

1:10:16

so out here in the Prairie

1:10:18

States, I think they act like elk

1:10:21

a little bit more. You know, they kind of have the hair

1:10:23

and maybe they do that.

1:10:27

And so.

1:10:29

Anyways, he is definitely

1:10:31

interested in what we got going on. I grun

1:10:33

at him. He's like, he's

1:10:35

just I'm steadily ramping

1:10:37

it up.

1:10:38

And I have a good amount of experienced elk

1:10:40

hunting, especially calling at elk in September,

1:10:43

and I was thinking this whole time, is like, I'm gonna

1:10:45

just gonna treat this exactly like an elk hunt.

1:10:47

I'm gonna call this deer.

1:10:48

I'm gonna make so much noise and sound so

1:10:51

much like a deer that he isn't gonna

1:10:53

have any other option but to think I'm another

1:10:55

deer, Like there's no way a human

1:10:57

would be down there because this is making

1:11:00

so many deer noises and so, like

1:11:03

I said, it's a constant snortwheedze,

1:11:06

grunt back and forth with this buck.

1:11:08

I only heard him grunting or like grunt,

1:11:12

and I only hear him once,

1:11:15

but I bet he's doing it back at me more

1:11:17

often. I heard him do a

1:11:19

grunt, snortwheeze combo. Have you ever

1:11:22

heard that before? Yeah, yeah,

1:11:25

yeah, it's weird.

1:11:27

Uh. It's kind of hard to replicate as a human,

1:11:30

but I'm not sure you have to. And this

1:11:32

is another thing, and that realistic thing that people

1:11:34

get so caught up on the realistic thing and

1:11:37

trying to make all these crazy noises. I think

1:11:39

about it with Elk all the time.

1:11:40

Like with Elkie, literally need

1:11:42

to know how to do like three things and

1:11:44

then you need to know how to put a motion behind those

1:11:47

things, and you're gonna be

1:11:49

a good Elk caller.

1:11:50

And I think deer hunts a lot like that. It's not

1:11:53

I mean, uh, yeah, that's anywhere.

1:11:56

You've been practicing that snort with you so much

1:11:58

that you've gotten pretty good at it.

1:12:00

Uh, thank you. You know, when

1:12:02

we were rattling together, we

1:12:05

won't talk too much about.

1:12:06

It, but I looked at you at one point when you hit a storm where

1:12:08

he's and I was pointed at you from.

1:12:12

It had a little bit of that. Yeah,

1:12:14

you know, I got this. There's like a technique

1:12:17

to it. It is.

1:12:17

I started you like kind of blow some air

1:12:20

from your bottom lip up into your top lip.

1:12:22

It's almost like making that monster truck

1:12:24

noise when you were a kid, you know about that

1:12:27

thing.

1:12:28

They don't they don't always have that, but there

1:12:30

are times I've heard where they have

1:12:32

that little monster truck thing in there.

1:12:34

And uh, And I think that all deer

1:12:36

are gonna have different voices like humans

1:12:38

do. Maybe not to the extent of the

1:12:41

variety that we have where you have little mousey

1:12:43

people and then you know I'm

1:12:45

talking about, and.

1:12:47

You got some some boisterous you know, like

1:12:49

Jodny Cash kind of guys or whatever.

1:12:51

But I think that you're

1:12:53

allowed some variety in there so much

1:12:55

so that I'm not afraid to go out a deer

1:12:58

and and him think it's actually a gro and not use

1:13:00

a grunt tube.

1:13:01

I didn't do that. I was using a grunt tube something

1:13:03

then.

1:13:03

But either way, I hear him do that when

1:13:06

we can't see him, and I can hear him

1:13:08

whipping the tar out of a stick

1:13:11

over the knob. He'd come down till now

1:13:14

he'd come down the hill, so I'm guessing he is at like

1:13:16

sixty and I can hear this. He's

1:13:19

just breaking a stick, just absolutely wearing

1:13:21

out a little tree. And then

1:13:23

it stops and I'm thinking,

1:13:25

the old baby, here he comes. He's gonna come right around this

1:13:27

corner the bottom of this hill. I'm gonna rip

1:13:30

him.

1:13:30

In like twenty five. I'm like, you know,

1:13:32

knocked on with.

1:13:32

A little bit of pressure on my d loop, you

1:13:34

know what I mean, Like it's on, brother, and we're

1:13:36

just waiting and it seems like a long time.

1:13:39

It's probably thirty seconds, and all

1:13:41

of a sudden, I see motion in my left and

1:13:43

I look up the hill and this buck

1:13:46

is walking right at us over the

1:13:48

top of the hill at like fifteen yards.

1:13:50

As bowed up as a buck gets, he

1:13:53

comes up ready to whoop my tail.

1:13:56

And it's like a little intimidating, not that is,

1:13:59

but it was like, oh, baby, this is

1:14:01

what I live for. It's like whenever you if

1:14:03

you play middle linebacker ever, and you see

1:14:05

you get that key on that fullback where they're just gonna run

1:14:07

into a gap, and you're like, oh, bring it on, you

1:14:10

know, like I'm about to knock the tar out of you.

1:14:12

And that's how it felt. It was like, oh, I'm getting

1:14:14

excited, right and tell him this, you know, And I

1:14:18

was. I couldn't turn

1:14:20

and draw.

1:14:20

He already was on us, right, So we're

1:14:23

just kind of here and he comes

1:14:25

up over the hill and he is like bug

1:14:29

eyed, turning his head kind of sideways.

1:14:32

Yeah, yeah, you know you're there, brother, And

1:14:35

we have we have essentially ramped

1:14:37

this deer up to as fired

1:14:39

up as he can be, or so I thought. He

1:14:43

comes over the hill started the rest of South Dakota,

1:14:45

does his posture, and he doesn't

1:14:47

see the buck.

1:14:48

We're there, like in practically

1:14:51

in the open, but he doesn't recognize

1:14:53

us as a deer, and he's so mad that he is only

1:14:55

thinking about one thing, and that's another buck.

1:14:58

I think if I had put my antlers up in my head, he

1:15:00

mighta would have came down there tried to fight us. Yeah, how sick

1:15:02

would that be? Be scared? For

1:15:04

sure? That's time to get scared, for sure.

1:15:06

Yeah.

1:15:06

He probably weighs two hundred and thirty pounds, so maybe

1:15:10

it's a little more than me.

1:15:11

Currently. Can't wait

1:15:13

till this brother give me Azza

1:15:16

four weeks here, and

1:15:19

he did a weird thing. I've never seen it, dear Do. He

1:15:21

came up over the hill that deer wasn't

1:15:23

there. He stayed bowed up, turned his head kind of sideways,

1:15:26

and slowly slinked backwards

1:15:28

walked exactly like in reverse

1:15:31

to where I couldn't see him anymore. And it

1:15:33

was like, that was strange.

1:15:35

And then all these dos

1:15:37

during this time are within

1:15:39

sixty to forty yards of us, and one

1:15:41

of them blows gets weird and runs up the hill.

1:15:44

And actually they came

1:15:47

back and kind of calmed down and then ran

1:15:49

up the hill like they accepted that we

1:15:51

were not a threat or something.

1:15:52

I don't know.

1:15:53

It was such a strange thing,

1:15:55

but I've been in these situations before where you

1:15:58

just do some crazy stuff so much so

1:16:00

that they are just like, oh, that's another

1:16:02

deer or something. I don't know what that is, but it's

1:16:05

not a threat in the sense of my life is

1:16:07

in danger. So they kind of go back up the hill

1:16:10

where they were betted, and he goes

1:16:13

up and like goes to the spot where

1:16:15

that dough that kind of

1:16:17

pinned us the first time. Was he kind

1:16:19

of follows them up the hill and I snort wheez him again.

1:16:21

He stops, turns around. Actually

1:16:25

we had while we couldn't see him, we repositioned

1:16:27

up the hill just a little bit and it was like

1:16:30

the move and Greg's just suggested this. I want

1:16:32

to give him some credit here. We moved up the hill

1:16:34

like you know, straight line distance it would

1:16:36

be nothing, but you know, we climbed like fifteen

1:16:38

feet.

1:16:39

You know, they give me Greg one day, man, one

1:16:41

day. You got to give me in some time. Had

1:16:44

that guy only on that Texas public land hunt

1:16:46

last year?

1:16:46

Oh that's true, that's true, and you

1:16:49

killed. So we're saying, get

1:16:51

him. So we

1:16:54

go up to this ceedar tree. We got a little bit

1:16:56

more cover.

1:16:57

We're kind of in the shade and where

1:16:59

like in close together, so we probably

1:17:01

look somewhat like a deer because it's just like

1:17:03

a big body, you know too humans.

1:17:07

And I start raking that seat or

1:17:09

real hard.

1:17:10

That deer turns around, kind of comes down

1:17:12

the hill a couple of steps and he goes

1:17:14

to pawing the ground like you ever seen

1:17:16

that Bugs Bunny cartoon where he's a conquista

1:17:18

door, not a conkeys door, a mat a door and

1:17:21

what it is called. He

1:17:25

like familiar, you know, he has the red

1:17:27

thing or whatever it's called. And he

1:17:30

that bull is losing his mind pawing

1:17:33

the ground. That's what this deer is doing, pawing

1:17:36

the ground. I'm start with He's and back

1:17:38

and forth with him.

1:17:38

He's quartering to I

1:17:41

range him.

1:17:42

It's within my comfortable range,

1:17:44

but barely, and I'm

1:17:46

thinking, you know this is going to be this is the shot.

1:17:49

I mean, you're out here in the open country. You don't get

1:17:51

them close often.

1:17:53

And so I practice make sure i'm

1:17:55

effective out to you know what most

1:17:58

people will consider it ethical, and then I practice

1:18:00

beyond that just in case you need to follow up one

1:18:02

real far. All

1:18:05

I have to say is I'm comfortable with the situation,

1:18:07

especially on solid ground standing

1:18:10

up, and I'm only gonna

1:18:12

take a shot if the deer is in

1:18:14

a favoral position for a shot, and also

1:18:16

I feel.

1:18:17

Good about it.

1:18:17

So he starts pawing the ground,

1:18:20

I snort wheeze at him, and he just goes to pin

1:18:22

all over his legs and just absolutely

1:18:24

losing his mind. Over there, He's like just

1:18:27

snorting and licking his nose. You can see slobbery

1:18:30

coming down out of his face, of his mouth. I

1:18:32

mean, it is insane.

1:18:35

He is just the most fired up of every

1:18:37

single white tail deer. And finally

1:18:40

he like faces us right on, like

1:18:43

come and get me guy, and I snort

1:18:45

wheeze at him again, and he goes to pawing

1:18:47

the ground again, and then I kind of went quiet

1:18:49

for just a little bit. And within all this I

1:18:52

have drawn my bow four different

1:18:54

or this is three times I've drawn and

1:18:56

let down because I think he's gonna turn

1:18:59

out and I'm gonna get my perfect broadside shot. And

1:19:01

I'm kind of like got a little mental clock going,

1:19:03

and I make sure they don't leave

1:19:05

my bow drawn more than thirty seconds, because

1:19:07

that's kind of around the fatigue point. I mean, I

1:19:10

can hold for quite a long time, Tyler, see me hold

1:19:12

for some ridiculous amount of times, but

1:19:15

it doesn't usually end well, you know, So,

1:19:17

like thirty seconds is like a good amount

1:19:19

of time to be able to hold your bow and pull off a good

1:19:21

shot. And then as soon as he

1:19:23

will Paul, I'll let down again. Well,

1:19:26

finally he turns

1:19:28

out like I wanted him to. I draw and he's

1:19:31

like kinda gonna

1:19:34

slow step up. I gave him a just

1:19:36

like a little half snort wheeze, and

1:19:38

he stopped. He freezes and goes to pawn.

1:19:41

I level my bubble, take the extra second,

1:19:44

like we've been talking about. I

1:19:46

put my pen where I think I want it, and

1:19:49

I say it's a little bit too low. He's

1:19:51

you know, he gets out there a little bit.

1:19:53

Your margin for air is a little bit less, So I bring

1:19:55

it up into kind of dead center,

1:19:58

all right, which isn't bad. You

1:20:00

know, you're definitely still gonna hit a lot of good stuff.

1:20:03

But it's not like aiming for the heart. And that's okay,

1:20:05

man, because you you hit him in the in the lungs,

1:20:08

they're they're dead meat, right, and

1:20:11

everything feels perfect. The deer is still

1:20:14

I know, he's not gonna really move at all because he's so

1:20:16

fired up he's not gonna jump. He's also far enough

1:20:18

away and it's windy that he's not gonna

1:20:20

do anything. I released the arrow

1:20:22

and I just watched this thing drop right

1:20:25

in and smoke him. I mean, it's

1:20:27

a little higher than midline, but I'm

1:20:31

thinking, okay, it looks pretty good, and

1:20:33

he like does this like weird bound thing

1:20:35

because I hit him.

1:20:37

I think I didn't get a full pass

1:20:39

through. I think it punched in the opposite shoulder, so he

1:20:41

kind of was like stove up and he did like the

1:20:43

opposite of a mule kick, where he did like a big

1:20:46

horn sheep like billy goat type

1:20:48

thing.

1:20:49

And as he's doing that, it's like

1:20:52

somebody punched a hole in the you

1:20:56

know, bag of juice or something. I mean

1:20:58

is, yeah, blood goes to pooring and

1:21:01

I just I didn't even remember saying it, but I

1:21:03

said something with the inflection of it

1:21:06

looks pretty good. And

1:21:10

yeah, he ran up the hill, which was weird,

1:21:12

but all the deer pour out the other

1:21:15

side of the thicket and we just hear

1:21:17

crashing. I see him flash across

1:21:19

the hole and then I hear crashing and we

1:21:21

know pretty much right away he's toast and he died

1:21:23

within like five seconds. It was sick,

1:21:26

so fun. Yeah, dude, that was a long story,

1:21:28

so I'm sorry. I'll it was very exciting, so I wanted

1:21:30

to tell it. I wanted to give those thoughts of the of

1:21:33

how calling can work and like how you can

1:21:35

be aggressive and this and that you

1:21:37

didn't watch him fall though, right he.

1:21:39

May have been fallen when I saw him flash through that opening,

1:21:42

But so were you able to how how

1:21:44

quick from the time you decided to go track

1:21:47

him did you see him? We can

1:21:50

you say that again?

1:21:51

Understand what time you started going to track

1:21:54

him? How long did it take to see him?

1:21:58

So we went over to where I shot because

1:22:01

I wanted to see like where he was pawing.

1:22:03

It's it's just a cool experience. I wanted to just soak it

1:22:05

up, you know what I mean. And so we

1:22:08

get on blood right there right away, and

1:22:11

within two

1:22:13

minutes we had him found. Uh.

1:22:15

He probably ran a total of like sixty

1:22:18

yards, so you but.

1:22:20

You couldn't you had I mean it was it was

1:22:22

thick enough that you had to get pretty fairly close.

1:22:24

To him to see he was up in some cedars. Yeah, yeah,

1:22:26

I mean it was like I had to be ten yards from him

1:22:29

before I found him.

1:22:29

And what did you do? Did

1:22:32

you get to do any neck crops either? Did

1:22:34

I did?

1:22:34

I hit both lungs at

1:22:37

the top of the lungs, and I also cut

1:22:39

the a order, which is just if you ever cut

1:22:41

the air order on deer, it's their toast

1:22:43

host. I mean, it's just the it's the largest

1:22:46

uh I guess that

1:22:48

would be a a

1:22:52

artery, right, It runs the length of

1:22:54

spine. It's also the top of the heart, and then

1:22:56

it turns into the uh well,

1:22:58

it splits and goes into the for more rolls, which

1:23:01

are also super deadly. But I mean, a order

1:23:03

on a deer is probably as big around as your pinky.

1:23:06

So that's why the blood was instant, you know, And

1:23:08

that's why you could even see when he took

1:23:10

off. The blood was in like

1:23:12

three yard increments, which

1:23:14

is pretty cool. But yeah,

1:23:17

he was a he's a big ten point kind

1:23:19

of shorter times, but good masks and and

1:23:21

just absolute bully and just a deer that I

1:23:23

was stoked to shoot.

1:23:25

He was just he's a beautiful buck, big old

1:23:27

white throat patch.

1:23:28

The footage, I can't wait for y'all to see it, man,

1:23:31

It's just it's one of my it's

1:23:33

the top five deer in counter of in my life. You want to go see the deer's

1:23:35

he's on Instagram, both of these deer are ye and

1:23:37

uh, the videos will be out pretty

1:23:40

soon.

1:23:44

For sure, to congrats on everything. Man.

1:23:46

It's like, uh, it was

1:23:48

it was, you know, a killer

1:23:51

way to start man the season for you

1:23:53

and to get the Element crew going.

1:23:56

There are lots of

1:23:58

other arrows that have been flung, so

1:24:00

we'll talk more about that in the future. I

1:24:04

I have something that I

1:24:06

quickly will ask you here in a second, but I wanted

1:24:09

to see if you had any other parting thoughts about this deer,

1:24:11

these experiences or whatever.

1:24:13

I think that.

1:24:18

Messing around with deer and being all

1:24:20

up in the mix is one of the coolest things

1:24:22

there is. Like, y'all,

1:24:25

if you've been with the Element for a long time.

1:24:27

But you're about nearby ilogists, don't feel

1:24:29

dude.

1:24:29

I'll say that this is my parting where not my

1:24:31

parting words, because I've got one more thing, Uh, you

1:24:34

are. There's there is nobody

1:24:37

that compares to what I've seen you do on

1:24:40

the ground, And there's some there's some great ground hunters

1:24:42

out there, and there's probably guys that are better than

1:24:44

you that we don't even know about. Right as far

1:24:46

as just watching you get out there on the

1:24:48

ground, uh, and then watching other

1:24:51

things that I've seen in like YouTube or whatever. I mean,

1:24:53

there's some guys on YouTube that can do it, no

1:24:55

doubt, and that are good at it. But the things

1:24:58

that you do, the way that you think quick down

1:25:00

your feet, which people can tell but they listen to a podcast

1:25:02

how fast you can think on your feet. That stuff like

1:25:05

translates into the deer woods and

1:25:07

you come up with these wild, creative things

1:25:09

that like work man, and

1:25:11

you also you also really care

1:25:14

about like

1:25:17

biology, I guess would be the best way to say it. But

1:25:20

like everything flora and fauna, like

1:25:23

it impresses you and it intrigues you, and

1:25:26

so like I just I

1:25:28

truly I don't

1:25:30

want to like not

1:25:33

inspire people while you're trying to inspire

1:25:36

people, but to pull

1:25:38

off what you do.

1:25:41

Is crazy.

1:25:43

And like what you do and why you can

1:25:45

pull it off is because you know the name

1:25:47

of that grass species that you're stepping on while

1:25:49

you're out there, and you know the name of

1:25:52

you know, the white eyed vieo

1:25:54

that sings in the spring that comes through you

1:25:57

know, and you know, you

1:25:59

know what all these different

1:26:01

like I don't

1:26:03

know what you'd call it exactly, but these different

1:26:06

like areas that certain

1:26:09

organisms fit into and categorically

1:26:11

speaking, like within the landscape and these

1:26:13

things like you just you you are

1:26:16

intrigued by stuff. You know, this stuff and

1:26:18

it all all that comes together for

1:26:20

you to know. Like also

1:26:23

just like your brilliant mind to just like creatively

1:26:25

flip on a switch and go boom, snortweedze

1:26:27

when I'm drawing back or when I'm about to draw back,

1:26:30

and just that they'll see that, you know. And the

1:26:32

thing is, it's like it's

1:26:35

like a card player almost like the card player doesn't

1:26:37

know for sure that that guy has an ace, but he

1:26:39

has a pretty good feeling about it, and when he decides

1:26:42

to fold, it's the best decision

1:26:44

most of the time, right, And so it's just like that

1:26:46

with you. It's like you don't know that that that buck

1:26:49

you know you're you're kind of calling is you know, like

1:26:51

bluff. You know, I actually think that

1:26:54

you are really hyped up from the rut. And if

1:26:56

I do a snort weeeze right now, you'll take three extra steps,

1:26:58

give me a shot and your toast,

1:27:01

and like most of the time it works

1:27:03

out, and I would say that like every once in a while

1:27:05

it doesn't. But the more you do it, the more experience

1:27:07

you have, the more things you learn, the more you

1:27:10

Casey Smith get better at

1:27:12

it and have higher success rates. It's

1:27:14

like it's it's impressive day. Thank you

1:27:17

impressed. Very humbling thing for you to say

1:27:19

it. I mean, I appreciate that.

1:27:21

I mean, I just.

1:27:25

I feel like now I have to have an.

1:27:29

Area, have like an Oscar acceptance speech

1:27:31

for all the nice things you just said it. I mean, no,

1:27:34

dude, but I'll say

1:27:36

this about kind of kind

1:27:39

of in rebuttal to what you said. I am

1:27:42

a faith motivated

1:27:44

guy. By everything that I do, I

1:27:46

try to be at least by everything that I do.

1:27:48

And I think that.

1:27:51

We all have specific roles

1:27:54

in God's ultimate

1:27:56

plan, and I

1:27:59

think one of mine is

1:28:03

that I want to acknowledge

1:28:05

his creation to the best of

1:28:07

my ability.

1:28:08

And the way

1:28:11

I do that is to try to understand

1:28:14

his processes to

1:28:17

the extreme. Does that make sense?

1:28:20

Yeah, it's kind of like you said this.

1:28:23

I don't know if there's you said this, maybe on Mark's

1:28:25

podcasts when you're on there or fresh,

1:28:27

but like be fruitful and multiply.

1:28:30

Yeah it doesn't. Yeah,

1:28:33

because like it's so cool.

1:28:34

It's like God's first command to

1:28:37

creation was be fruitful and multiply to Adam

1:28:39

and even then to all these critters, and we

1:28:42

are right now taking

1:28:44

that command and using

1:28:46

it through our uh

1:28:49

specific command to humans to have dominion

1:28:51

over those other criators so that we can shoot a deer

1:28:53

and eat it and also have a sick

1:28:56

encounter and and be able to then

1:28:58

point to God say, man, uh,

1:29:01

the reason that you can call me

1:29:04

creative is you're

1:29:07

acknowledging that it's still a subordinate

1:29:09

level to the Creator.

1:29:11

You know. That's where we get the word creative. Yeah,

1:29:14

from creation and the Creator. Right,

1:29:16

so creature too. By the way,

1:29:18

whenever you hear all these scientists say the word creature,

1:29:21

they don't know it, but they are giving a nod to the fact

1:29:23

that it's created stuff, which just makes me feel real

1:29:26

good. But gotcha.

1:29:28

Yeah, thank you man, that's some that's

1:29:30

some nice things to say. That's good man.

1:29:33

And I just I'm thankful

1:29:35

to get to get out and mess around in that and

1:29:38

to you know, I'm

1:29:40

thankful coloring firsthand from you. Man. The conservation

1:29:44

is a word

1:29:46

that's really flown thrown around flippantly and.

1:29:51

For good reason because it's pretty ambiguous, which

1:29:53

means like you can use it for a

1:29:55

lot of different things.

1:29:56

You know, you can call shooting a pig conservation,

1:29:58

you can call collecting wildflower

1:30:01

seeds. Conservation. You know, you can call uh.

1:30:04

I mean maybe if you really wanted to,

1:30:06

you can call windmills.

1:30:10

You know, conservations a legislative process,

1:30:12

you could call conservation.

1:30:13

Yeah, some of them are stretches, and depends

1:30:15

on who you are, it's a relative term, right,

1:30:17

But like, uh, it's not preservation.

1:30:20

And I feel like part of conservation

1:30:23

is getting a good understanding of what

1:30:25

we're dealing with here, you know, Like I'm

1:30:28

out there and I look at guys like Lewis

1:30:30

and Clark. Okay, I'm not a big like

1:30:33

savant of Lewis and Clark. I haven't read their book.

1:30:36

I have the Journal, and i've

1:30:38

i've you know, watched some documentaries

1:30:40

and this and that and the other.

1:30:41

But I think about them, James j Audubon.

1:30:45

Those are all guys who are monumental

1:30:47

in the study of species and stuff,

1:30:49

and and they're all out there taking

1:30:51

field samples, which means killing stuff and bringing

1:30:54

it back and examining it.

1:30:55

And then I think about guys like g Record Mendel.

1:30:57

Like when I talk about a spiritual uh,

1:31:01

like, I guess you'd say example

1:31:03

that I really like Gregor

1:31:06

Mendel is a monk,

1:31:09

and he's the father of genetics. Gregor

1:31:12

Mendel is a monk who tended a garden and figured

1:31:14

out that if he crossed a pink flower

1:31:16

with a white flower, he would throw a pink flower. But if he crossed

1:31:18

a white flower with a white flower, he would throw a white flower.

1:31:20

And you've crossed the pink flower with pink flower, you then could still

1:31:23

throw a white flower.

1:31:24

And so like he came up. That's

1:31:26

what we call pundit squares now, which is a whole.

1:31:29

This is sorry, we're not doing a biologize, but I

1:31:31

guess my example is that like this

1:31:33

guy changed

1:31:37

what we know of as biology

1:31:39

forever, and it was because he recognized

1:31:43

that God had processes that he created

1:31:46

so that we could point to him

1:31:48

as a creator and say, look at how complex this is.

1:31:50

This has the hand of God on It is not something

1:31:53

that came from muck and a

1:31:55

lightning strike, you know what I mean.

1:31:57

And so I think that when

1:32:00

whenever I.

1:32:02

Like, that wasn't an emotional like boohoo

1:32:05

moment like I have had

1:32:08

we have had. It was it

1:32:10

was like a high, you know, like adrenaline,

1:32:12

dog like just this was insane.

1:32:14

And I think that no matter what the moment

1:32:17

is, I need to work

1:32:19

on and be better. But still I think

1:32:21

I try to point towards God

1:32:23

in those moments. Back, Man, this was awesome. Thank

1:32:26

you for the blessing. You know, it's poured out in that

1:32:28

situation. But that's my I

1:32:30

think that's my overall take. Can I add one thing

1:32:33

to the end of that.

1:32:33

Let's hear I made a post about

1:32:35

this this week because I sent it in a really pretty pretty

1:32:38

location. I took a picture of it, posted

1:32:40

it. This isn't the easiest thing to

1:32:42

hear, guys, but having,

1:32:46

you know, throwing a nod to creation

1:32:49

and the Creator is awesome.

1:32:52

But it's enough to condemn

1:32:55

you. So you have to be saved

1:32:58

from the things that you the

1:33:00

mistakes that you make right, the things that

1:33:02

you have made mistakes on uh

1:33:06

sins would call them. So you

1:33:08

gotta you have to have a savior somewhere,

1:33:10

right, so you know, to to sit

1:33:12

out in the tree stand, not go to church and understand

1:33:15

uh more about Jesus, the Savior

1:33:17

who came into the world to save it, not condemn

1:33:19

it. Right as he said in his own words,

1:33:23

you have you can't just sit out there and go man,

1:33:25

there's a creator, and this is my church, right,

1:33:28

we gotta we have to live together

1:33:30

in communion because that's what we're designed for. Relationships

1:33:33

are the the the fundamental

1:33:38

of our existence pretty much. So anyway,

1:33:41

I just kind of wanted to cap that with, like, man, it's

1:33:44

awesome to to but your

1:33:46

perspective and I'm saying I'm saying this because

1:33:48

I know Casey's perspective and and that he knows

1:33:51

that, oh sure.

1:33:53

What you're in.

1:33:54

So anyway, the last thing that I wanted

1:33:56

to ask you, we are doing

1:33:58

this on elect should not and

1:34:02

so when this comes out, it will be post election.

1:34:05

Uh but just slightly.

1:34:07

I think I think it depends on

1:34:10

hands. Got how late our

1:34:12

young twenty year old wants to stay up. I

1:34:17

need a I need a prediction. I need a prediction.

1:34:20

Oh man, you're gonna put me on spot because

1:34:22

people.

1:34:22

Are going to know if you're wrong or right. And

1:34:25

I need a percentage. Man,

1:34:29

Uh, you can, you certainly can. We

1:34:31

usually do on the element for the most part, but you

1:34:34

could definitely offend some people.

1:34:35

So, uh, this is there's

1:34:39

no I.

1:34:45

Believe election fraud exists,

1:34:48

and I am

1:34:50

not the most fervent of Trump supporters,

1:34:52

but I think he is the current man for

1:34:54

the job, and I

1:34:57

want him to win, and I

1:34:59

want to to win badly, mostly

1:35:02

for two reasons, the economic

1:35:04

impact of a Trump presidency and

1:35:07

also I

1:35:10

am a pro lifer. That

1:35:12

is my number one voting

1:35:15

motivation, followed closely by the

1:35:19

right to bear arms, because

1:35:22

I feel like if

1:35:24

I have the right to bear arms, then

1:35:27

freedom of speech falls in line with that, because you can't

1:35:29

make me shut up if I have arms.

1:35:32

And that's why I also put pro life

1:35:34

in front of arms, because I

1:35:37

really, if y'all know me very well, I am

1:35:39

very libertarian in my views,

1:35:42

and that means I care about

1:35:44

people's personal rights. And there's no one

1:35:47

that has more rights infringed

1:35:49

on than the innocent unborn, and

1:35:53

so.

1:35:53

I care a lot about that. Well

1:35:56

said, But anyways, I gotta kind

1:35:58

of recover from that motion.

1:36:00

But yeah, but it's good man.

1:36:03

I don't know

1:36:06

that. I

1:36:09

don't know Trump's heart, but I know what

1:36:12

he will surround himself with.

1:36:14

I know that currently conservatism

1:36:16

conservativism aligns the

1:36:19

closest with my personal beliefs,

1:36:22

and that's where I'm going to vote. And I also

1:36:24

feel like America is tired of

1:36:28

the junk, and so

1:36:30

I think that we could see potentially

1:36:33

a landslide bigger than

1:36:35

twenty sixteen.

1:36:37

But I think we have to outvote the cheat.

1:36:39

And that's me speaking what

1:36:42

I truly think is the case.

1:36:44

And I might look like a fool because