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I'm Casey and you're

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We are doing a dual

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truck podcast. It would let me tell y'all

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something this is I love

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to pull the curtain back sometimes

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I don't know what I mean. Tyler Jones

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is in a different vehicle, So

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we are talking on the phone doing

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a podcast, and

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it just so happens, Like the way podcasts

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work is that we have these recording devices

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and headphones that allow

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us to then transfer the data of

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our conversations

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onto a disc, and then

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that disc goes into a computer and then gets

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uploaded the internet to where you can listen to it.

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Well, it just so happens that you have to have the headphones

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and the recording device in the same place. Well,

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Tyler and I departed our

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location today about one hour

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difference in time, and

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one of us had the headphones,

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one of us had the recording device.

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So Tyler Tyler is here.

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Is here, And Tyler

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may have done something that resembled

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a narcotics deal but

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wasn't on the way home

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today where he stashed a recording

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device at a bridge on

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Highway and then we picked it up about an hour later,

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and now here we are recording a podcast

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for the airwaves of the world.

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Not the first time it's been done.

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Man, it's not y'all stashed a drone

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one time too, didn't.

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You We picked up a stash

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drone.

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Yeah, I believe a.

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Stash drone from a stashed guy

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one stashed ry brosted.

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Bo Tech due.

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What if there was a geocash location right

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there and somebody was like, wow, you find a drone

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if you go to this one.

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Oh that's sick. Yeah, yeah, I guess

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I'll put it back.

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Speaking of uh, you know, almost

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outdoors, That's what geo cashing is

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is like people that want to be outdoors

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but just can't quite do it.

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Man, if you want to talk about going

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viral instead of doing this killing

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stuff that we try to put on, you

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know, social media, you could do something that's called almost.

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Outdoors and make your channel.

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It's like geo cash in

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and eating cliff bars and climbing.

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The rocks, yeah, and metal

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detecting sick

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yeah yeah, And then you'd never get

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banned or anything.

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You never have a shadow band or those aren't

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those aren't real Sorry, Tyler, but.

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It looks like we're.

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We just entered another one. I don't know if you kind of notice

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that or not.

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Yeah, it does.

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So go to the Element Instagram

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guys, if you haven't follow us, comment that way

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we can get out of our shadow man.

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Hey, I have also I have a call

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to action for people here.

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I would love I would love

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if people would.

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Give us a review if they're listening

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in Apple podcasts, how

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about that?

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I would like I would love that if you guys give

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us a nice five star review.

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Just helps us to reach more of the

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more of the deer hunting.

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Masses and that

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would be very much appreciated on our end

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for sure.

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Yeah, that would be cool.

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And while we're doing call to actions, I'm

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going to do a preface to

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a call to action that will soon be called.

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We've been getting quite a few messages about

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this stuff because it's hunting season and the

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Christmas time world is approaching.

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But Element merchandise will be available sometime

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soon. I got to email today that

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the stuff is done and don't

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go folet the market now, but

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we will let you know.

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Uh.

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And I'm kind of I'm just for the

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listeners who have sent us messages and stuff and letting

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you know, now, uh, that's that's happening real

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soon. So we appreciate your desire

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to support us. So thank you very much for that.

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And uh it is on the way, so

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thank y'all.

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One of the best, one of the best ways to find

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out on that stuff is available is to be plugged

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in on either.

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On Facebook or Instagram.

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Uh.

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You know, Cases and Brag are riding in a chart

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together and they probably look at

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the app called.

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X formally known as Twitter more

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than anybody, uh in the hunting

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space, but they don't run it. They don't run an

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X profile for us.

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I try to do you. Yeah,

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when's the last time you posted yesterday?

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Really no, I

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was for a while and it was just getting so little

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traction that it

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was just tough. I mean, just what we do really

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isn't made for X on excess about your just

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politics and ridiculou videos

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pushing the video thing, and I don't know if it's still

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the thing or not. I don't know if he's still pushing. I mean,

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here's the thing. I

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didn't remember that, but uh I

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did listen to almost all of that.

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I think, Yeah, did

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you turn afterwards.

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Uh no, but I thought

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it was funny how like, uh, they

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brought Elon's kid on for a second,

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it was like, that's kind of that's kind of funny.

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I don't know, very

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informal, Yeah, but yeah, Joe Rogan

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was just like, hey, there's a litle X or something like

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that, you know.

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Yeah, well his name.

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Is x a ae flux

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On or something weird, and they just call him X. So

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all of Elon's stuff is

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is named after his kiddo.

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That's why that's why X is called X.

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I guess yeah,

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p s A.

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People don't have kids with weird people.

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Yeah, yeah, kid's a real real person.

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For guy

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gonna put your podcasts in the dirt.

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Yeah no, I mean I think uh I

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h I like Elon, you

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know, caustiously optimistic about a lot of things

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right now.

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Yeah, happy post

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election week everyone. Yeah

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that's right.

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So election

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years are kind of crazy for us because

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a lot of times we're keeping up with what's going

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on while we are on the road and doing

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all kinds of hunting and stuff, and so we

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don't have enough time to really dive

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into too deeply. But it

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is Yeah,

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Greg usually knows Greg's on the podcast.

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By the way, Greg is here. Greg is

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here.

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I don't know, I've asked you. It's probably ten times. But your

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name your your name is Gregory, right,

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yes, so I got you?

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Okay. So, uh, which

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is funny. YEA a

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lot of them around.

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Huh they know, Uh that's

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ambiguous. Gregarious means they stick together.

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Yeah, that's right. Oh So this

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actually kind of touches on a thing that I'm going

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to write a book.

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Guys.

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You know, I've seen how filthy rich

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some people in the outdoor industry have gotten

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off of written books. Uh it's

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uh, well, I'm just speaking allegory.

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Just go with me.

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So there

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are some people in the outdoor world have gotten filthy

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rich off off of written books because they have

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like this blind support, and

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I want that.

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I want you all to blindly support me no matter.

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What I do.

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Right.

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So, I'm gonna write a book that's

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called The Ascent of

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the Academic Hunter, and

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it's gonna be all about how

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suddenly it's become cool to know all

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the big words about deer

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hunting and to know all these random

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facts and to think that, like

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you got to understand what

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the butterflies are doing in March,

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so you are more

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adequately prepared and more deserving

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of killing that deer in November.

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And it's gonna be kind of

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a tongue in cheek book. If you know me, you

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know my little tongue in cheek from time to time anyways.

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But yeah, that's kind of my current thing is,

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Uh, I want to push back a

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little bit on and I've been that guy.

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I like to know stuff. I like to be smart.

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I like to I want to be a smart guy. But

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like, man, if I've learned anything

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in the past week, one

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of the things has been that.

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It's good to have fun doing this man, you

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know, and that's.

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Uh, honestly, if you listen

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to our last podcast, I think we talked about

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the deer that Tyler killed and I was there

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to rattle for and that was just so

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much fun for me. I

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know, you and I had a little bit different experience within that

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because well, you knew he's big

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at the beginning and I didn't.

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You know, it's just.

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Kind of different. But like, man,

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that was kind of getting back to I

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don't know, it felt a little bit like what we used

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to do. Where's

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buck Truck eighteen eighteen?

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Uh, you know, uh, and

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I don't know.

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It's not that we've changed that much, but

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you know, we are, you

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know, doing this a whole lot. And you and I are

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separate more now than we used to be doing

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things, you know, because uh, we're trying to

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kill more deer. And it

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was cool to kind of share some time together

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and have a bunch of fun.

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We have eighteen whel trying to off the road in front of us,

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So that's always cool. Anyway,

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conversate for a little bit while I try to know.

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God, No, I think it is good,

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man, I think. I think That's what I've

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learned.

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Another thing I've learned this week is it doesn't matter how

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how smart you think you are and how many things you know about,

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and you know how deserving you are of that deer.

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Uh, You're still smart enough, only

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smart enough to get your

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tail of.

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My whole You know.

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That's right, man.

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You know, here's something that you and I have talked about quite

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a bit. You

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know, there's a lot of kind of worn out uh

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phrase phrasing or

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words or whatever you want

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to call it. Like, there's a lot of cliches

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in the outdoor space,

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right and

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as you have said before,

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uh, that deer ain't walking around.

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The woods thinking about you. That's right. You know, it

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ain't a battle you versus the deer.

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I mean it is. It is the you versus the

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deer. But the deer doesn't know

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that it's you versus the deer.

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Only you know that, you know what I mean, that you're not

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special to that deer.

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Yeah, the deer is special to you, but he's

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not thinking about getting away from you, the hunter.

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He's thinking about just living his life.

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Yeah.

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It's like a bunch of young, young dudes and their

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girlfriends.

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You know.

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I mean, she's specially you. She's

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pretty, but you're just nasty, you know what I mean. Period,

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So she don't she don't

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like you nearly as much. But

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really, so,

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you know, we always try to think about

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what we say. Right, The words that we use are

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important to just so, not that we don't

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mess up, not that we don't say things that don't make sense,

11:37

but when we hear things that don't make sense, we either

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challenge each other.

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On it, or we challenge.

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The influencer or

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whoever that might be on it as well. Right,

11:47

So, just so you know, when

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you sit in a tree stand for six days in

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a row or seven days in a row, and then you

11:54

shoot a deer on a six or seventh day. That

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deer didn't finally mess up. He

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didn't finally slip up. That deer

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had slipped up probably several times

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a day, you know what I mean. Yeah, you

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just happened to be there well at a time

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when you were able to shoot him.

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It's not even that he slipped up.

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It's just that he was doing

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the thing he's supposed to be doing, and you

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happened to be in the right place to take

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advantage of the thing that he supposed.

12:22

To have even made a good move right, like you

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might have even done the right thing.

12:26

Yeah, it's a little self deprecating,

12:28

tell you the truth, just to say, like

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all the deer slipped up, like well, you know, you could say

12:33

that you you know, learned something and you finally figured

12:35

out how to get on him, you know. Uh so

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a couple of ways to look at that, for sure.

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I definitely think that like this this week

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taught me a lot of things because I was I was smart

12:44

enough to get all upon this particular

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bug that was really big that I was hunting. But

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it didn't matter how smart I was at

12:52

the end of the day, he kind

12:54

of still won the battle being versus him,

12:57

even though he wasn't attempting to.

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Win the battle.

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He just the overall battle

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of his life is to survive. So

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whatever that looks like, it could be winter, it

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could be it could be me, it

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could be the highway, you know what I mean. But he's

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still surviving. And it didn't matter how

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smart I was, over and over and over again, conditions

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and other things you know, ended

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up. I mean I would say, like

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maybe you could say you matched wits with him or whatever,

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but I don't think that he was actually attempting

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to outwit.

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He's attempting to outwit uh

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death, you know what I mean.

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You know, I thought it was pretty cool today We were

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leaving and we drove past

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the CRP field that

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you can hardly see a tree from, and

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there's just this rolling grass

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that's you know, probably white

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tail.

14:12

Neck high.

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You know, you can see their backs, and

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about one hundred and fifty yards out there there

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is a four or five year

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old eight point you

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know, nothing special, just a cool buck, and

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he's got five dos

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and he's fending off a one point five and

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they are just doing the thing right out

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here and right just out

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in the wide open under

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the sun, and it's just a

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thing that I

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got to see and

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I love watching it. I told Greg, it's like I

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can watch this all day. It's so cool to watch

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them do it. And what's amazing to me is

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that they're a deer around the

14:54

country doing that right now, and

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that how few people actually get to see

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them do the thing, you know, like.

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And that's I mean, and there's still people getting to see

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them here and there, and that's what it's special about

15:06

this time of year, right like they

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do they do that, I

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mean, and you explain this to me the day

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I thought it was really good.

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But like, the testosterone levels

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are so high, it's like nothing

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you experience really as a human, probably

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like because our

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testosterone is a little more level over.

15:25

Time, there's is you know,

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an annual cycle.

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So you know, it's

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so high right now that they let down that

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wit to survive, that wits against

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death that I was talking about right

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now, and things become different.

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And that's like, if you think about it,

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you know, we've had a chance

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to kind of take advantage of that

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that being taken, you know, that

15:50

guard being taken down and

15:53

Greg especially, you know, it was

15:55

able to do something really.

15:58

I mean, something that you don't get to see very all.

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Right, Yep, that's right, Greg.

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What did you see

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when?

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Because yeah,

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so I think what Tyler's referring

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to. The last time on a podcast

16:16

we discussed the

16:19

rattling and his deer, and we've been talking

16:22

about the effectiveness in rattling, and we've even

16:24

seen that more recent evening, as recent

16:26

as today. But you hunted

16:29

in South Dakota early, and

16:32

then you hunted in South Dakota later,

16:35

talk about like the changes you saw on the deer and

16:37

then how that culminated.

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Well early season, I mean, there's

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hardly anything ruddy

16:44

going on at all. I mean, the bucks are

16:46

still traveling together, and

16:49

I mean you could maybe grunt call

16:52

one or something, but like rattling's

16:55

kind of out of the question. But on our

16:57

second trip to South Dakota, rattling

17:00

was working pretty well.

17:01

Yeah, almost like you can't believe

17:04

it.

17:04

Yeah, it was probably the best I've seen rattling

17:07

work. And you

17:09

have thought we were in South Texas brush country

17:11

just rattling up bucks everywhere. But

17:14

but uh, yeah, we

17:17

you killed on day one, Tyler

17:20

killed day two, and then I went out

17:22

in the rain and I

17:24

tried rattling that morning but didn't

17:28

didn't rattle one up. But uh went

17:31

back there that evening in the rain and

17:36

just hunting over a scrape and a

17:38

little pinch point.

17:39

And did you did you know that scrape was there from scouting

17:41

or did you find it when you were walking around?

17:44

We well, we kind of as

17:46

we rattled through the bottom, we scouted

17:48

up to that point, and I was like, that's

17:50

a good scrape. I'm gonna I

17:52

probably want to come back here. And

17:55

uh, that evening after lunch,

17:57

we went kind of straight back to that

17:59

spot. Got you because I felt really

18:01

good about that spot.

18:02

But yeah, I know, now this is something that people

18:04

are going to kind of encounter here. We've were

18:06

we seem to be getting these like kind of

18:08

once a week rains, depending on where you are in the country.

18:11

But I know there you know that happens throughout

18:14

the fall. That day was like a really rainy

18:16

day that you went back out. Yeah,

18:18

and y'all, I feel like y'all kind of capitalize

18:21

on like a weather window or you were

18:23

trying to at least.

18:24

Yeah, we were hoping the rain.

18:25

Would you know, kind of let up as we were going

18:27

out there, but it was it was pouring

18:29

down pretty good while

18:31

we were out there. Luckily we found a good tree to kind

18:33

of get underneath and hunker down.

18:36

Yeah, did Cup you get wet?

18:37

He got a little wet, but yeah, he's all right.

18:40

When you're twenty he can get wet, right, Yeah.

18:41

As long as the camera doesn't get wet. What's

18:45

the this is?

18:46

Uh, you know, in case somebody is self filming

18:48

or whatever. What's the move to keep a camera dry?

18:52

The move to what keep a camera dry?

18:54

Keep a camera drive?

18:55

Uh, a rain jacket

18:58

over the camera with like the hoodie kind of on of

19:00

it.

19:00

I like doing that.

19:01

Whor it's pretty good.

19:02

You know.

19:02

We've done the Walmart sect a few times,

19:05

but a lot of times that's a bad color and it's

19:07

kind of loud.

19:07

Yeah, you know, a dry bag can work.

19:09

Pretty dry bag is a good one. Yeah.

19:11

Okay, So tell us about the set up and tell us how

19:14

it all transpired.

19:15

All right, So we get set up. We're just

19:18

we have like no front cover. We're just

19:20

all back cover up against this tree. There's some

19:22

kind of dead limbs and logs laying down and

19:26

I'm feeling pretty good about our cover. It's

19:28

it's actually a pretty comfortable spot to sell on the

19:30

ground too, you know. And the leaves are

19:32

wet, there's no sound. I mean, you're completely

19:35

quiet. It's a good setup. Yeah,

19:38

and get

19:41

set up, and it's raining and I'm just kind

19:43

of like we're just trying to stay dry. I'm just I got

19:45

my hoodie on and just

19:48

trying to wait for breaking the weather. And

19:51

now I finally see what I think

19:53

is a break in the weather, and I start. I'm like, all right,

19:55

I'm gonna rattle.

19:56

Well because it's slacked up or you watching

19:59

radar.

20:00

Watching a little radar.

20:00

But then it like slacked up for a little bit, and I was like,

20:02

Okay, I'm gonna start to rattle. But

20:05

as I'm like about to start rattling, it's it

20:08

starts coming down again. But I'm kind

20:10

of already like committed to it,

20:12

so I go ahead and rattle, and

20:16

cupies filming back there, and

20:19

uh, I'm probably I

20:21

might have been forty five seconds into rattling, and

20:26

all of a sudden, I see a flash of gray across

20:28

the creek, working its way

20:30

down into the creek, and I

20:32

can't see the bottom of the creek, but I

20:35

just know it's it's a buck like And

20:38

so as soon as I say that, see that, I say,

20:40

cuppy, there's buck and drop

20:43

the rattling antlers, turn

20:46

and get ready, and I know he's gonna come up

20:48

over this bluff out of the creek and

20:51

he's gonna be right on top of us when he comes

20:53

over. And

20:56

it probably wasn't twenty seconds

20:58

later. You know, you see

21:00

Times coming over the grass, and I

21:04

draw back as soon as I see Times, because I know

21:06

he's coming quick, and uh.

21:09

Draw back and he

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is.

21:12

He is going looking for the

21:15

sound, like he knows exactly

21:17

where it was, and he's coming straight to the

21:19

base of the tree.

21:21

And uh.

21:22

He starts moving his way through the grass

21:24

and he's getting close at this point, and

21:27

he probably he gets about

21:29

twelve yards just

21:32

almost staring straight through us, and

21:34

I grunt stop him, and he doesn't look at

21:37

me, but grunt stop

21:39

him.

21:39

He stops at twelve yards and

21:41

I shoot him right in the chest.

21:44

And it was one of the coolest

21:46

encounters I've ever had calling

21:49

deer.

21:50

You know, up to this point, it's pretty sick,

21:52

man, It was pretty cool.

21:54

Yeah, Well, talk about talk about your talk

21:57

about how you approached.

21:58

Rattling in that in that moment,

22:01

kind of how.

22:01

You did it, what your thoughts were about, like

22:05

making it sound like something that a deer

22:07

we want to come to.

22:08

Yeah, Like.

22:10

I guess rattling, I always

22:12

try to make it as realistic as

22:15

I possibly can, even though I think I

22:19

think just rattling probably works,

22:21

But I always try to make myself

22:23

feel a little better and like just kind of paint

22:26

the best picture I can for that deer to like

22:28

come in and you know, believe that

22:30

there's a there's a party

22:32

going on and he needs to be a part of it.

22:35

So like I'll usually start

22:37

rattling with like a couple

22:40

of grunts, and then I'll give a

22:42

snort, wheeze and give a little pause,

22:44

and then I'll hit the antlers

22:46

together. And I

22:49

wasn't trying to do like a knockdown, drag out

22:52

fight. I feel like

22:54

if you hit the antlers too hard, you might

22:56

kind of the two and

22:58

a half year olds and three and a half years might be a little hesitant.

23:02

I don't know, but uh, yeah,

23:05

I was just not

23:08

trying to do a n knockdown,

23:10

drag out fight. And just

23:13

trying to peak some curiosity I

23:16

guess.

23:16

Yeah, and it worked and the footage.

23:19

Is, yeah, the footage is sick.

23:20

It's in the rain, the water's coming

23:22

off the arrow, and the fletchings

23:25

just disappear in this deer's chest.

23:26

I wish you shot that like a thousand frames per second.

23:28

I mean, that's how cool it was. It is like it

23:31

looks like you ever watched them cameo

23:34

ads where it's like super unrealistic

23:36

conditions that people are hunting in, you know, that's

23:39

what they were doing. Y'all actually were the guys

23:41

that, yeah, we're doing this film

23:44

the commercial.

23:44

Yeah, that's right.

23:45

The time you shouldn't be out there, y'all were

23:47

out there, and so it

23:49

works pretty well. And

23:52

talk a little bit about the shot placement stuff,

23:54

because.

23:57

The element is pro

23:59

frontal.

24:00

I would say, but

24:04

I think that there's some some discussions

24:07

that we've had off air we

24:09

probably should cover a little bit about that.

24:12

That way, it's doesn't seem like we're just like willing

24:14

nearly flinging ears at the chest at fifty yards

24:17

or whatever.

24:17

Yeah, like the frontel

24:19

I mean at twelve yards is

24:23

it's it's not that hard you're in, like, yeah, it's

24:25

like the deer's not gonna jump,

24:27

and you put your top

24:29

pen in Like he's

24:32

so close that you can kind of look for

24:34

the soft stuff like you can

24:36

find you can find the like

24:39

you can look on the deer like Okay, that's

24:41

that's where it needs to go.

24:43

Like you didn't have to. I didn't have to guess when I

24:45

took that shot.

24:46

And I

24:49

don't what's your limited

24:51

range that you would take a

24:54

frontel cause like what

24:57

what distance is?

24:58

Not like you're gonna

25:00

jump.

25:00

I'm well, jump is a

25:03

lot different, right, I mean twenty and in I

25:06

feel really good about hitting real close to

25:08

where you're aiming. Yeah, I mean I've seen deer

25:10

jump at twenty. I mean it's shots

25:12

on deers is always situational, right,

25:15

And Tyler's really good at this. But like

25:18

I really am not a jump

25:20

predictor too much. I

25:23

probably need to a little bit more. I

25:26

think Tyler, you you haven't

25:28

done it lately that I know of, but

25:31

you kind of account for the drop often.

25:36

But like I think that you

25:39

know in general, especially

25:41

on Midwest e or twenty an end in Texas, Dude,

25:44

you can shoot at a dough at twenty yards and she can't.

25:46

She might not be Yeah, yeah,

25:48

it's insane.

25:49

Right, So like that,

25:51

all that stuff's kind of relative. I think that situationally,

25:55

and you know this is me. Everyone make

25:57

your own choices. I think that out

26:00

to thirty yards, I could take a frontel

26:03

if need be in kill a deer, but

26:05

I don't want to do that, and it's

26:07

definitely got to be the perfect situation. The other day,

26:10

so I think that I'm

26:13

not gonna call other people liars.

26:15

I think that.

26:17

Oftentimes if you're I think if you're

26:19

trying to hunt hard and do good, came

26:21

in with there, Sorry you were trying

26:24

to hunt good?

26:26

You you

26:31

you run through all your options

26:34

in your head, in the in the in the moment, like

26:36

when when you're trying to make the best decision.

26:38

The other day, I had that bucket fifty yards

26:41

and I considered the frontal, but not long at all.

26:43

It was just like a thing that went through

26:45

my mind and I said, no, he's too far and

26:47

that target's too small.

26:48

I'm not going to do it.

26:49

But it's still like I thought about it, right, And I

26:51

think that it's okay to say

26:53

that you thought about it, but you chose not to

26:55

do it.

26:56

You get you get what I'm saying, Tyler, Where are you

26:58

at? On? On like a distance

27:00

on a frontal.

27:02

Man A couple of thoughts I have in regards

27:04

to is one thing, one thing that

27:07

I have caught myself doing a

27:09

lot more this year especially,

27:11

but just maybe as I get older

27:13

too, I get more about

27:15

this.

27:15

But I

27:17

feel like my focus gets better overall.

27:21

And I

27:23

I I hardly ever am on

27:25

my phone, like when I'm

27:27

sitting there in the you know, waiting

27:30

on deer to come by in a tree stand or whatever,

27:32

Like I'm constantly thinking

27:35

about what I expect to happen, and

27:37

then what could happen, and then what those

27:39

scenarios look like, and what I'm gonna have to do

27:42

to get the deer.

27:42

To stop at what ankle I might be shooting

27:44

that deer at too.

27:45

So I've got like I have like three

27:48

or four scenarios most

27:50

of the time in a tree that I

27:52

think are probably going to or

27:54

could happen.

27:56

And so with that in.

27:58

Mind, I run through those scenarios and over against

28:00

so that like a lot of times, I don't have a whole

28:02

lot of variables that surprise me in that moment,

28:05

you know.

28:05

What I mean.

28:05

So yeah, I've kind

28:07

of almost have lived it in my head when it comes to when

28:10

it.

28:10

Happens a lot of times, like

28:12

like myself, Dakota Buck, I

28:15

ranged I ranged those willows

28:17

at forty three, uh

28:20

before you started.

28:20

Rattling, you know what I mean?

28:23

And he because because the down it was

28:25

the down win side. I mean, I ranged like two ranges

28:27

in there. One of them was exactly where he ended

28:29

up.

28:30

You know. I just that's just having

28:32

good making good predictions.

28:33

And that's where like I've had conversations with people

28:36

sometimes even recently.

28:37

Where they're asking me my thoughts on something,

28:40

and.

28:41

I asked them their thoughts and

28:43

they just like, oh, it just looks like a good place. Well,

28:46

I mean a place that looks

28:48

like a good place to kill a deer is all good. But

28:51

if it's not, I mean, especially in like bed

28:53

to food season, when it's not the rut, like,

28:56

you gotta have a reason that year is going to come

28:59

by you in.

28:59

A directtion that that he's coming from, at least

29:01

in your mind.

29:02

Oh, I guarantee you. My first some

29:05

of my first days

29:07

of public plan hunting in

29:09

Texas, I was just hunting stuff

29:11

that looked deary and you know what

29:13

I saw like doze at seventy

29:16

and stuff like that, you know, And now

29:18

I definitely can go zero at Texas Public plan, Like

29:20

it's one of the easiest things to do as

29:23

you go, not see it dear on Texas Public. But like,

29:26

I definitely don't hunt

29:28

the same stuff that I used to.

29:30

I was telling Greg about this. I

29:32

know a.

29:34

Oh, a couple of people that are old

29:36

enough to have birthed me who are

29:39

hunting some Texas Public right now, and

29:42

they aren't seeing a lot of deer, and it's

29:46

because they're in open hardwoods, you

29:48

know, looking for deer. Yeah, and I'm not being

29:50

overly critical. I hope that

29:53

they have wild success, but you know, it's

29:55

just it's kind of difficult to

29:58

see.

29:58

Deer when you're not in the right spot.

30:00

So yeah, being in

30:02

the woods a lot helps a

30:04

whole lot with that because then you figure this stuff out, you

30:07

know.

30:07

Yeah, Yeah, I think I think that's right,

30:10

man. I think that if you if you

30:12

have the reason to be in a spot

30:14

in your mind, then it doesn't

30:16

surprise you when that deer comes in. If you just go sit

30:19

in a spot in the woods and they can come from three

30:21

hundred and sixty degrees? Got

30:23

alle, How do you go through that many scenarios?

30:25

How do you go through through that.

30:26

Sixty You know what I mean?

30:28

I mean you probably could.

30:29

I know that's well,

30:31

thank you, but I

30:33

can promise you that's one of the

30:35

hardest things about killing deer in wide

30:37

open country is that suddenly

30:40

there are three hundred and sixty degrees

30:42

of approach for a deer to you, especially

30:44

when you're calling I mean, which is what I've been

30:46

doing a little bit of lately, like and

30:49

you can narrow it down a little bit, but like

30:51

like you're just explaining your scenario where

30:53

you rattling that buck in South Dakota

30:56

and shot him. Well

30:59

that you knew that there is like two maybe

31:01

three places the deer would come from.

31:03

Yeah, trees dictated that.

31:04

Yeah exactly.

31:05

And when you the biggest tree is

31:07

a daggum bush like two foot

31:09

tall around you, you know, like suddenly

31:12

things change. Like in fact, we're gonna jump ahead

31:14

in the story a lot this morning.

31:18

I didn't give you my thoughts. I didn't give you I

31:20

don't know if you want me to or not.

31:21

I don't have to but well, I thought you thought a

31:23

lot there.

31:24

Well, I gave you a lot of thoughts, but I didn't give you the actual

31:26

thought you asked for it.

31:27

Okay, give it to me.

31:28

So I think, depending on this

31:30

is you know not it's probably not something people

31:33

in.

31:33

The frontal goodness I ask that question.

31:35

Yeah, sure, depending on the size of the

31:37

deer and the set, the situation.

31:40

I'm just gonna go ahead and be transparent

31:42

like I always.

31:43

Try to be. But like, there are times later

31:45

in.

31:45

The season when I haven't seen my kids very much in

31:47

the last three months that I'm.

31:48

Like, man, if I could just get a hunt.

31:50

You know, I'm on this hunt. I'm spending money,

31:53

you.

31:53

Know, and uh, I want

31:55

to be here and I love it, but I also miss my kids

31:57

tremendously.

31:58

It would be really cool if I could leave the day.

31:59

Or you know, this deer's sitting in

32:02

at thirty two yards and he's big. You

32:04

know, there's a lot of variables, right, So I guess what

32:06

I'm.

32:06

Saying is I feel comfortable thirty

32:09

and in as well. But

32:12

you know, I also there's a lot of variables,

32:14

like how much I've been shooting my boat or

32:17

you know, what what's the angle.

32:19

That I'm set up at him? I pretty pretty you

32:21

know.

32:22

Low in the tree or whatever. You

32:24

know, how does that all work? And

32:26

then I think another thing I would think about

32:30

is there's there's a lot of up and down on a

32:32

frontel.

32:32

There's not a lot of left and.

32:34

Right probably, So I think.

32:36

When a deer jumps the string on

32:38

a fronnel, if he jumps the string

32:40

a little bit, then I think

32:42

you can still be in a pretty good situation if

32:44

it's a dead on frontel.

32:46

And I think that.

32:48

Most broadheads will go through that sternal

32:50

area just fine.

32:52

And then anything from thereup.

32:55

Is pretty soft and

32:57

got a lot of vital stuff in.

32:58

Yeah, he said left

33:01

and right, the left and right. You might just

33:03

go muscle if you if you're too high, you

33:05

know, which you don't want to do, because then

33:07

you don't kill the deer and he's got a big

33:10

old wound and he might die later.

33:12

Yeah, Like that's not good.

33:13

I think you you gotta you gotta be honest

33:15

with yourself.

33:16

And I think whatever you think that

33:18

you can shoot.

33:19

Well in the yard, he probably could

33:21

take twenty yards off of.

33:22

It at least.

33:24

Yeah, for sure, I don't think it's half like a lot of

33:26

people say, it might be for some people, it

33:28

depends.

33:29

I mean, you got to know how buck fevery.

33:31

You get, you know, like I I mean

33:33

this, I'm trying to not trying to brag, but I'm like a two

33:36

out of ten on buck fever.

33:37

Like I just I don't get it too bad.

33:38

I get excited, don't get me wrong, but I'm

33:41

able to channel that into you

33:43

know, the situation and then afterwards.

33:44

I'll lose my mind.

33:45

Right, But like if you're the kind of guy that loses it, like

33:48

for one, that's cool.

33:49

Okay, don't don't le anybody tell you it's not.

33:51

It's awesome that you get that excited, but you

33:53

just got to know that, Like, hey, thirty

33:55

five is pushing it for me, you know.

33:58

If we've got to We've got some friends

34:00

that are I mean, especially when I can think of that's

34:03

pretty moderate on his how it feels

34:05

comfortable. Yeah, and I think he has some muck

34:07

fever, and so that's good, you know. I mean, it's good to

34:09

be a little bit maate. But you know, I

34:12

think that's a good reason to get out in that yard and practice

34:14

sixty seventy eighty yarders.

34:16

Because then it starts to make that.

34:18

I mean, but you know, like forever I was, I was

34:21

forty was the farthest I ever shot, you.

34:22

Know what I mean, even in the yard well,

34:25

and as a tree stand hunter, that's a little

34:27

bit different, you know.

34:28

You.

34:28

I mean, there's not a ton of tree

34:30

stands. Like if you especially if

34:33

you pre hung your sets, You're

34:35

you're trying to set for twenty five yard

34:37

shots in the end.

34:38

You know.

34:38

It's just kind of how it's like what's smart

34:40

to do? Right, But like, yeah, dude,

34:43

on the ground, if you're out there chasing two hundred

34:45

and eighty pound white tails around on the ground and

34:47

you're like, oh man, I think I can hit that, and then you range

34:50

it, it's his one oh seven, you know, like it's

34:52

like it's just a different world,

34:54

you know.

34:55

It's Yeah, well, go into what you're talking

34:57

I mean, that's a good bridge. Go into what you're talking about, because

34:59

I just want to give my two cents on it. I mean, I

35:01

think everybody's gonna make their own decision on the frontal

35:03

man, because you can definitely mess it up

35:05

left and right real easy.

35:06

Yeah, Well, I guess what I was gonna cover.

35:09

Was how on the ground an

35:11

open country deer can kind of come from anywhere,

35:15

even like what would seem to be down

35:17

wind, and in fact,

35:19

oftentimes what would seem to be down win because those deer trying

35:22

to get your scent if you're calling to

35:24

them, I mean, unless he's like as

35:26

rutted up as possible, which.

35:28

Very well can happen.

35:30

But usually a

35:32

buck that's called to just like your South Dakota

35:34

deer and Gregg's deer

35:36

honestly was probably going to try to do that, but I

35:39

mean it's just you know, y'all kind of had him a little bit in

35:42

a pinch or whatever.

35:43

Yeah, like they're.

35:44

Gonna try to loop around get down win. And this

35:47

morning I

35:49

saw a buck. We got to a glass and knob.

35:52

We did a little truck

35:55

chilling I think you call it eating a heat

35:59

this morning where we got to our spot

36:01

pretty early because we.

36:02

Didn't want to bump deer out of the fields. But we kind

36:04

of.

36:04

Sat in the truck for probably fifteen minutes twenty minutes

36:07

just staying warm, and then we walked out,

36:10

you know, our hoole in tenth this morning was to Glass

36:12

and then maybe make moves on deer. So we weren't trying to

36:14

get to our spot like in

36:16

the dark, you know, because you can't glass for a while.

36:19

So we got out there about the time that you could see.

36:22

And sooner, sure enough, whenever we

36:24

just get to our glass knob, I'll look down and

36:26

there's a buck on the cruise and I

36:28

could just see a flash of him until that just

36:30

from his body that he was big enough to consider,

36:33

I didn't really know what he was. And I told

36:35

Greg, hey, I want to go get a better look at this deer. Let's

36:38

just go rattle at him and get him to come up here. Because he

36:40

disappeared kind of behind a hill. So

36:43

we run down the hill and

36:45

get set up in the brush.

36:49

And start to rattle at this deer.

36:51

And he had gone down a ditch,

36:54

and I thought that he would come right back up

36:56

that ditch. Well, lo on

36:58

my hold, this deer does

37:00

not do that. He comes about ninety degrees

37:02

from there over the hill. I think

37:04

he heard us down there, and instead

37:07

of just coming straight to us, he probably made

37:09

a big ol' loop out to come around and

37:11

try to get our win. Because he comes over the hill at like fifty

37:14

and then starts kind of throwing his head back trying to get

37:16

our scent. He saw us over there, and

37:19

then he starts throwing his head back trying to get her sin ends

37:21

up. It's a deer that I

37:23

don't want to shoot. He's I mean, he's

37:26

borderline. He's a big, big buck and

37:28

it got me pretty excited. But he

37:31

had a broken G three like right at

37:33

the beam and then maybe like a

37:35

broken G five

37:38

on his right side, which was interesting, but

37:42

just like really a great

37:44

four year old, a good deer to see next year.

37:46

But and

37:49

all that, I just thought it was kind of

37:51

fitting for what we're talking about about how

37:54

they can come from so many directions when you're

37:56

out there on the ground calling, and it's probably a good

37:58

thing for us to just cover in general.

38:01

Maybe a little bit of thoughts behind

38:03

calling it deer, because I know you've done a little bit of this week,

38:05

and you've done some decoy into which.

38:07

I haven't done a lot of. I'd

38:09

love to hear more about that stuff.

38:32

Yeah, I mean, I mean the

38:35

I didn't do a ton of calling, uh

38:37

this week, but I did a lot of decoying, and

38:42

you know, I had

38:44

a very particular target this

38:46

this week, and

38:49

a really what I think is a really

38:51

extremely old buck.

38:52

But he's he's big, uh

38:55

antler wise for sure, but.

38:58

He looks he's kind of skinny, like you

39:00

know, he he's really old and

39:04

you know, on the decline or something

39:06

like that.

39:06

So anyway, his hawks are

39:08

not very dark.

39:10

And I don't know.

39:12

All week, I mean, I had some close.

39:14

Encounters with him, and I just didn't think he was that

39:16

interested in doze at all. But

39:19

I carried around a two dimensional buck

39:22

decoy a lot too, and it

39:24

covered me pretty well if I got caught,

39:27

But the buck always went away and

39:29

I should have gone away from it

39:31

sooner, and I debated it over and over again.

39:33

I just never did.

39:36

And I also think

39:38

that the two dimensional decoy I have, even

39:40

with the.

39:41

Antlers off, kind of looks like a buck.

39:44

Yeah, And so I just don't I

39:46

don't know if it matters a ton, but

39:49

I will say that I

39:51

used I used

39:53

a doe decoy, like

39:56

a full body doe decoy that

39:59

Dave Smith, you know, hand painted

40:01

for me. I mean a

40:03

good fellare, I mean, he just he made

40:06

this one special.

40:08

I think. Anyway, at least they

40:10

day, I feel like that.

40:12

It's a really awesome looking dove decoy, and

40:15

she's kind of like ears back, relaxed, and.

40:19

I ended up having we sat.

40:22

We put her up real high so she was kind of skyline

40:24

easy to see this whole drainage, and

40:27

Cuffy and I are sitting right below

40:30

her, kind of in the shadows of this

40:32

hill, like probably four or five yards

40:34

belower, and

40:37

you know, you could see.

40:38

Us probably, but

40:40

I had the I had the two dimensional buck decoys

40:42

sitting up there with me, but it was laying back,

40:44

and I didn't think that deer could really see it. But

40:47

those antlers are pretty stark white, so I guess

40:49

it turns out if they could.

40:52

I had the big target buck.

40:53

Come through, and he turned and

40:55

looked, and I just wonder

40:57

if I would have been hiding that buck decoy,

41:00

if I would have been able to pull it off. But I

41:02

think he sat there and stayed for a minute at

41:05

eighty five yards.

41:06

And then kind of hurried off. And

41:09

I mean, I think he's also just you

41:11

know, and very wise,

41:13

dear, Like I.

41:14

Think he's been around and seeing some hunters and

41:17

different stuff and knows

41:19

the property really well.

41:20

And what things look like. And I think he just didn't

41:23

like it, and he's times

41:25

this week. He also moved into the wind.

41:28

So much it kind of blew my mind

41:30

how much he would move into the wind.

41:33

So anyway that happened,

41:36

he runs off.

41:37

I'm disappointed, But there's still this big six

41:39

point on the drop time that's been hanging

41:41

around, and I can.

41:42

Still see him over on the hill.

41:43

Well, he kind of walked the same path about twenty minutes

41:46

later that bet Buck Walter fifteen minutes later

41:48

and ends up going

41:52

over this little kind of ridge on the

41:54

same spot.

41:54

And he ends up turning

41:58

and looking back at us, just like the other here

42:00

head and he stares for a.

42:01

Second and maybe

42:04

like a minute, and then he turns and looks straightforward,

42:07

so like ninety one

42:09

hundred and ten degrees from.

42:11

Us, and he starts licking his nose. And now

42:13

I'm like, oh, here, who comes?

42:15

And he turns back to us

42:18

and pins his ears back from eighty

42:20

five yards and he walks right at us.

42:23

Okay, he can see the deer, he can see the buck

42:26

decoy for sure.

42:27

That's how I know how I knew, you know what I mean? Yeah,

42:30

And it was it was

42:32

scary. I was I didn't,

42:35

man, I shoot. I mean he's an awesome old buck

42:37

pot belly, uh and

42:40

kind of probably on the decline.

42:41

He just takes a picture. Yeah,

42:44

yeah, yeah.

42:45

And I mean

42:47

he comes like pretty

42:50

much can see him the whole way, but he

42:53

kind of dips into this little spot at

42:55

like forty yards maybe fifty yards,

42:58

where I can't really see his head, I can see

43:00

his antlers.

43:02

Definitely could have.

43:03

Drawn and shot him at you

43:05

know, point here here a few seconds later,

43:07

but he just walks a straight line, just stiff legged.

43:10

And as he comes back up and gets individual

43:12

of us at like thirty five yards

43:15

from there, for he's just bristled up, his

43:18

ears pinned all the way back, and he's

43:20

coming straight at me and CuPy.

43:22

Because the decoy is right behind us.

43:24

And I'm just like I started thinking about, like what

43:27

am I gonna have to do to keep this gar off of CuPy?

43:31

You know, especially considering CuPy looks.

43:33

Kind of like a dough That's what I wondered, if that's what it was.

43:37

But I he's in the pastor

43:40

seat, so I had to say that.

43:42

But anyway, at about twenty yards, he kind

43:45

of veers off and he's going to go to the down wind

43:47

side of us, and the wind's

43:49

kind of blowing back towards the dough, but he's

43:51

going to go that kind of down wind side. So he walks

43:54

within probably ten ten

43:57

yards, and he starts walking up this little knoll that we're

43:59

sitting up laying up against, and he's

44:01

I mean, he's at like seven yards probably, and

44:03

he kind of loops into the wind, probably gets about

44:06

six yards, and he's probably closer

44:08

to the decoy. He's probably like four yards from

44:10

the decoy and right over the top

44:12

of us, where I mean we can barely see him, kind

44:14

of over our shoulders, and he just hits

44:16

our wind and stops and it just it

44:19

takes off, and it was it was awesome, man

44:21

Like that combination worked really

44:23

well for a deer that still has

44:25

testosterone flowing pretty

44:28

freely. But that other buck just

44:30

did not want to five bucks. I just I mean,

44:32

I saw it all week, So I

44:35

think he just knows.

44:36

I think he's old enough. I am

44:38

convinced he's old now. I for a

44:40

long time was thinking that maybe he was young,

44:43

like a big young buck. But I'm convinced he's

44:45

old now. After you've had some encounters with him

44:47

and got some footage of him.

44:49

But I think.

44:51

That that deer's old

44:53

enough to have figured out that he

44:56

can go down there and brawl and hurt yourself

44:59

and breed some dough, or you can just wait on

45:01

the one that smells perfect and you

45:04

don't have to do anything about it, you know. He like because

45:06

I think you'd said that you saw him kind of bump

45:08

some does around this morning, but he didn't put

45:10

a lot into it, you know. And it's because he

45:12

knows that those does aren't receptive yet, so

45:14

there's no use in messing with it.

45:17

Man.

45:17

I think that full body dough decoy could work

45:19

for me, for sure. It's just, you

45:21

know, a full body decoy like that

45:24

in such wide open, big country

45:26

like can be hard to haul around and

45:28

I have. But the problem is, like

45:30

you got to haul it in somewhere and then

45:32

hope that it's set up in a place

45:35

where he's gonna come by and see it, because

45:37

if he's six hundred yards away

45:39

going up another drainage, then

45:43

it's gonna be hard to just haul that decoy,

45:45

you know, six hundred yards eight hundred yards to get

45:47

set up where you know you're in his way or

45:49

whatever.

45:50

Yeah, so that's not nearly as

45:52

mobile as a two dimensional one.

45:53

I feel like if I had a two dimensional dough head that

45:56

could work really well too.

45:57

Yeah, we might get arrange that. It just my should.

45:59

Yeah, it's just reading reading

46:01

the deer's you know.

46:04

And then what's difficult about it is if you only have one

46:06

opportunity at it here, you

46:08

know, you don't know, you don't know if

46:11

he's old, if he's if he's passive,

46:13

or if he's you know, going to be fired

46:15

up and try to eat a buck.

46:17

You know what I mean.

46:18

So that's that's the you know.

46:21

If you get enough chances, you're

46:23

going to find a deer right now that wants to eat

46:25

a buck.

46:25

De boy, So let's talk about that.

46:27

I think that a

46:29

large portion of the white tail world

46:32

dreads so called lockdown. We

46:34

pretty much hunted the lockdown all week

46:37

and it was awesome, I felt

46:39

like. And part of that is because

46:42

we're in fairly open country. But

46:45

I think that even in the Timber I've been thinking about this, man.

46:48

I think even in timber country, if

46:50

you approached it right especially,

46:53

I'm just gonna give it the tact that I think would work. I

46:55

would like to try this one day in

46:57

lockdown in timber country if you have a lot of ground

47:00

to rome, so it's probably gonna require public ground unless

47:02

you have just a big chunk of private that

47:04

you can access. Still hunting

47:07

and like finding books that are doing the lockdown

47:10

thing and then do the same

47:12

thing that we do now, and that's like messing

47:14

with them.

47:15

I think I think it could be really effective.

47:17

I think that you just you gotta

47:20

The problem with lockdown is not that the deer don't

47:22

exist, it's just they don't move very much. And

47:24

so where we are you can spot them

47:26

in the morning and watch them go lock up and

47:28

then go make a move on them. Well,

47:31

no, timber, you potentially could

47:33

work with the wind in your favor through quite a bit

47:35

of timber glassing as you're moving around,

47:38

and you very well Mike could find them and do

47:40

the same exact thing.

47:42

Yeah, it'd be cool.

47:43

Yeah, Oh, it would be for sure.

47:45

Man.

47:45

I think you can I have an e pull off for sure.

47:47

I mean you could treat it a lot like how

47:49

you know, I killed myself to Kotabug, where we

47:53

we were working kind of pocketed cover to pocket

47:55

to cover and especially once we got into where we

47:57

kill them. We were like, this is really good. We shouldn't

47:59

go much or they're just getting us fine out opening and

48:02

set up and call it.

48:03

You know, you probably sound public. You want to see

48:05

you know how.

48:07

You feel about your chances of living

48:09

with a decoy you know flash but uh

48:12

it can be a little shady.

48:13

But yeah, in

48:15

deep and uh.

48:17

Wearing some blaze of orange or something, you feel

48:19

good about it.

48:20

I'm not trying to condone going and doing

48:22

it because it's kind of it is kind

48:24

of scary, but we have done it before.

48:26

Yeah, you know so, and.

48:30

You uh you might could

48:35

you know, maybe not even use a decoy, but use

48:37

some aggressive calling tactics

48:40

that might would you know, well,

48:42

all your stories but people that shoot it sound and you know,

48:45

if you're if you're worried about that, then

48:48

uh, I guess Greg's the only guy I know it might

48:50

be needed to worry about that. Greig got shot

48:52

at one time on public lands.

48:53

Well, they didn't think

48:56

I was deer. I was just they were like it.

49:00

I love I love hunting big old chunks

49:02

of public and having room to roam. I mean, that's one

49:04

of the coolest feelings that you

49:06

know you can have as an American. I feel

49:09

like, honestly, you know, like a place

49:11

that you can just go roam around on land

49:13

that you're you know, you have every right.

49:14

To be there.

49:15

That's cool, but people

49:18

scare me sometimes, you know.

49:19

And so.

49:21

The goal and

49:24

another.

49:24

Good reason to be you know, I

49:26

guess proud to be an American.

49:30

Would be to find

49:32

some private that you.

49:33

Can roam around on, you know, and not everybody,

49:37

but if you have a goal to do.

49:39

That, you know, I mean, you can

49:41

have a goal to go on.

49:42

A moose hunt, or you can have a goal

49:44

to find some private

49:47

land.

49:47

That's you know, nice

49:49

hunt, or you can just be friends

49:52

some people in.

49:52

An area that can give you a lot of private land

49:54

to hunt.

49:55

You know.

49:56

That's I mean, there's a lot of stuff to that, and I can tell you this,

50:00

I've hunted a good bit of both. And you

50:03

know, public land isn't as bad as some people

50:05

make it out to be, but private land is really

50:07

good.

50:08

I mean, just getting

50:10

if you're on the ultimate experience, Like if you

50:12

want to have the best experience.

50:14

You can have, yeah, uh, probably

50:17

hunt private land.

50:18

You can, I mean, oh yeah, I can all honestly, like, what

50:20

if you can, if you can hunt Ted Turner's place,

50:22

wouldn't you want to do that?

50:24

You know what I mean?

50:25

Yeah? I do. I want you bad.

50:28

It may have some time, who knows, but

50:33

I think that uh, you know, kind of

50:35

back to how we open this, it

50:38

brings up an interesting point where that deer is and

50:41

sitting around thinking about you. However,

50:44

on public land, oftentimes

50:48

the deer's movements, patterns

50:50

and just general

50:55

not persona or what whatever that word

50:57

is. You know, like the way they act is

51:00

molded by human pressure more. You

51:02

know, they're not thinking about one guy. But deer

51:05

that are on a piece of ground

51:08

that gets hunted by hunters a

51:11

lot like a lot of hunters. Uh,

51:13

those deer don't act

51:15

like deer do in nature, if that makes

51:17

sense. They are they act like deer

51:20

that receive a lot of hunting pressure. You go

51:22

up to a piece of private ground that's

51:24

kind of just yours and it's decent

51:27

sized. I don't know, depending on where you're in the country, that means

51:29

something different, right, but say like say

51:31

you're in uh,

51:33

Missouri and you got three hundred acres,

51:36

like you're gonna see deer on there do like

51:38

some really cool stuff you

51:40

know that you don't get to see on

51:43

like a piece of public in East Texas.

51:46

And honestly, you get to learn a lot because you get to watch

51:48

deer a lot, you know, and it's it's

51:50

actually really cool.

51:51

So yeah, I think that, Uh

51:53

that's a that's a good point to make, man,

51:56

is that you know, if you want

51:58

to really have the experience, Uh,

52:01

private land is a good place to have it.

52:04

For sure.

52:04

I'm not saying I'm not anti

52:06

public or nothing.

52:07

I'm I killed

52:10

one the only dear I've killed has been on public this

52:12

year.

52:13

And so I love it.

52:15

I love doing that.

52:16

But when you start getting into calling,

52:19

you're getting the rut and you get into gun seasons

52:21

and stuff. Man, just there's some crazy

52:23

people.

52:23

I had as you and I had

52:26

to walk a mile and a half or more

52:28

to kill that deer rattling in this

52:31

morning, Greg and I had to walk

52:33

three hundred yards to rattling a deer,

52:35

you know, like that's.

52:37

Mean, Kopy, It was a different story for us.

52:40

It was it was man

52:42

for sure that we did three miles this morning.

52:44

I watched you through the binos.

52:45

It looked like y'all are doing some stuff, and a

52:48

lot of that was doing the

52:50

creepy creepy you know, like.

52:52

Yeah, yeah, hey, yeah, I

52:54

I.

52:54

For sure almost got caught on a show camera

52:57

today, did yeah

52:59

because there was this ap right there and it's like I'm gonna

53:01

peeing that's great and uh

53:04

and like right is

53:06

about I started to, uh let

53:08

her fly. I was like, you know, I better like

53:10

turn my hips just a little bit more here,

53:13

or I wish.

53:15

I wish we had that blackmail on

53:17

you. Yeah.

53:19

Well I

53:22

have a funny joke there. We're not gonna say it.

53:24

So I'm gonna

53:27

definitely have to download a high reds.

53:32

Yeah.

53:33

The funny thing is that you'd have to get video to get a high

53:35

res on these you know, my

53:38

whole another dealt even

53:41

better. Uh I I do like

53:43

the video aspect on these cameras, though, Man, I

53:45

feel like I learned a little bit more because of the video.

53:47

But that's neither here nor there.

53:49

Uh cool, Well, that isn't

53:52

the summation of what we've been doing this last

53:55

week, but that's a taste.

53:56

Uh.

53:58

I think we should just we should tease a

54:00

little bit of the video aspect of this because

54:03

we're not exactly sure, but I think we're

54:06

thinking that we're gonna get some of this crazy

54:08

road action stuff out pretty quick.

54:11

Uh and maybe like in a raw, like

54:13

pretty fun way.

54:15

Uh yeah. If you ever remember the

54:18

old p l C days, I see

54:20

people on Instagram talking about you know, element

54:22

podcast o g listeners or something like that.

54:25

You know, like if you remember the public

54:27

Land Chronicles days.

54:29

We aren't gonna call it that, but it's gonna

54:31

it might it might feel like that, but

54:33

with actually deer in it.

54:35

That's that. That's what it's gonna be like.

54:38

Yeah, dude, Yeah, it'll be cool.

54:40

Yeah cool?

54:41

Uh Tyler especially,

54:44

I didn't have as many encounters this week as you did,

54:47

but uh, I had some,

54:50

had a good week, but I was I was hanging in a.

54:52

Tree more and waiting

54:54

on the deer to come by me.

54:55

And uh, hey, let me ask you a question real

54:58

quick.

54:58

Sure, because you were talking to about, you know,

55:01

public landeer being influenced by multiple

55:03

encounters with people.

55:04

Yeah.

55:05

How And

55:09

I'd like to hear Greg's two cents on this too. I

55:12

know there's some variables here, but is

55:17

a is a public land buck?

55:20

Uh?

55:21

Does he have less tolerance for an

55:23

encounter with a person than

55:26

a private land buck or.

55:30

More tolerance or is

55:33

it dependent on the book

55:35

and not necessarily the place that that buck

55:37

is.

55:41

Yeah, a lot of variables.

55:42

My my first take is it kind of depends

55:45

on that buck's individual

55:47

encounters with people in his life, and

55:52

you know, if he feels like he's

55:54

been in danger from humans

55:56

at some point in time, then it might

55:58

matter.

55:59

It also matter's a lot on the piece of

56:01

public.

56:03

We have hunted a piece

56:05

of public that the

56:08

deer see people all the time, and yeah,

56:10

they're gonna run.

56:11

You know, they're not gonna They're not like park.

56:13

Deer, but they're constantly

56:15

seeing people and they're super jumpy, I

56:18

think because they get airs flung at him a lot and stuff.

56:20

But I don't think it affects their movement patterns

56:23

too awful much.

56:25

Whereas like, I

56:28

don't know, man, I think that maybe

56:30

some especially like in.

56:31

The Midwest, if you're not hunting

56:34

in the rut and you're in a deer core area

56:36

and all of a sudden you have this big intrusion and he smells

56:38

you.

56:38

And that's another thing too, Man.

56:40

I think smell is way way way

56:42

worse than being seen, like way

56:44

way way worse.

56:47

If you get seen.

56:50

I just their brains don't work like ours, right,

56:52

they just know it's not a deer and they're like, I don't

56:54

like that.

56:54

I'm out of here.

56:56

If they smell you, they they

56:58

know it was bad, And I think that's

57:00

a that's a huge difference maker. They that

57:03

kind of was like a broken answer, Greg, you got

57:05

more?

57:05

Yeah, Yeah, I think smell

57:07

is definitely the worst, and especially

57:09

if they get if they hear you, see you, and

57:12

smell you, that's a trifecta.

57:14

Yeah. Uh but uh.

57:18

Tylarant Cuvey almost got tasted the other day.

57:20

Yeah, this

57:23

morning, but

57:26

he was drinking really close to me.

57:28

Yeah.

57:29

Yeah, but uh,

57:31

I think I don't know the

57:35

I guess a deer them public

57:37

that gets rattled at

57:39

every day or called to every day, he's

57:42

probably less fired up to

57:44

come running in and checking

57:47

out. That sound like if

57:49

you go to private land that you know they haven't

57:51

been called to at all, and you give them

57:54

a calling sequence there,

57:56

they might come charging in, Yeah, without

57:58

even swinging down wind or any thing.

58:01

Yeah.

58:02

Man, that's a good thought too.

58:03

It's funny because I

58:06

know where y'all hunt, and so I

58:08

like when y'all answer questions. I know exactly

58:11

where y'all are, what y'all are thinking about property?

58:15

I know exactly like.

58:17

Yeah, yeah, yeah,

58:20

and uh so what

58:22

do you think does it matter? Is

58:24

it more deer dependent? Is it more property

58:26

dependent? Is it more type of encounter?

58:29

Or I

58:31

learned.

58:34

That's for sure thing? But like say it again, I

58:36

learned a lot this week.

58:39

And I mean the

58:41

smell thing is definitely a thing the you

58:44

know that's more intense.

58:46

Uh spookage.

58:47

And but like I

58:50

may have I may have learned

58:52

a lot about a

58:54

certain a certain I

58:57

learned about deer.

58:58

Hunting or whatever maybe or even the way to answer

59:00

this question, but like I

59:02

think that.

59:07

Like that, here's what Here's why I.

59:08

Asked the question is because the year that I hunted this

59:11

week, he I.

59:13

Mean, he had a big, a

59:16

big area that I saw in bed

59:18

End if you include this morning especially, I

59:24

I feel like like

59:27

I ranged where he was vetted this

59:29

morning, uh from where

59:31

about where he vetted? Uh

59:33

I several times on this hunt and

59:36

he it was a mile Yeah.

59:38

So you know, I don't know if

59:41

I mean I think that that's an open

59:43

country thing.

59:44

But that could easily be a

59:47

deer that's you know, in

59:49

the big woods too, or in in the regular

59:51

woods in Nag country whatever.

59:54

So like I think I

59:57

also was on this.

59:57

Buck every day.

59:59

I don't know how I was making the right

1:00:01

moves, just couldn't

1:00:03

seal the deal.

1:00:04

But like I was, I was on him all week,

1:00:07

I was in I was inside of twenty

1:00:09

yards twice on.

1:00:10

This steer and couldn't get him killed.

1:00:14

And so I don't know exactly how

1:00:16

to explain it, but like I

1:00:18

feel like he betted in the and

1:00:21

utilized the same area a lot,

1:00:24

despite getting bumped a couple other times.

1:00:26

Yeah, And I wonder if that was because he is

1:00:28

old and that's what he knows

1:00:31

is.

1:00:31

The best place for him to be.

1:00:32

And he and you know, it's kind of like what

1:00:35

he talked about before, where like if you bump a buck

1:00:37

and he survives, then he knows that's maybe

1:00:39

a place that he, you know.

1:00:41

Can see danger coming or whatever. So

1:00:44

I don't know if it's.

1:00:45

That or what.

1:00:46

And maybe, but I would I would almost

1:00:48

just I would almost say that one of the biggest factors

1:00:51

to have behaves to getting

1:00:54

bumped is its personality.

1:00:57

Maybe I don't know if.

1:00:59

It's necessary they depend up because

1:01:01

you know, you bumped a big deer think

1:01:04

yesterday, yeah, and didn't hardly

1:01:07

see any deer in that area this morning, right,

1:01:09

yep, yep.

1:01:10

I I

1:01:12

had an opportunity at the biggest buck of my

1:01:14

life yesterday,

1:01:17

and I made some good

1:01:19

decisions and it was just we

1:01:21

got beat by the deer.

1:01:22

Uh.

1:01:23

And that's okay, it happens. But

1:01:26

he saw us, didn't smell us, but

1:01:30

got weird, had a harem of doze,

1:01:32

and they all left out of the

1:01:34

country and they did not return. So

1:01:37

that a couple of things that can happen in the rut.

1:01:39

He can go to the food source at night and

1:01:42

they have a party up there, and

1:01:45

then he goes where

1:01:47

the ladies go.

1:01:48

You know.

1:01:49

Uh, So, do

1:01:51

you think.

1:01:51

The ladies had enough

1:01:54

of you or do you think that's just they

1:01:56

just standed up somewhere else because they get dulled

1:01:58

or whatever.

1:01:59

It's impossible to tell the

1:02:02

ladies. The ladies were definitely pretty spooked,

1:02:05

but the ladies do that. They get spooked from

1:02:07

all kinds of stuff. You know, they were spooking

1:02:10

from something else before we saw him, you

1:02:12

know, so like a cow

1:02:14

or a coyote or another see.

1:02:17

I think the rut plays a big part of this too.

1:02:19

I think back to the original question about

1:02:21

like what happens when you spook a deer. I

1:02:23

think that this time of year, they're really

1:02:25

forgiven, forgiving because

1:02:28

stuff happens every day all the time. There's

1:02:30

always a two year old that's messing

1:02:32

around, there's coyotes. I mean, it's just

1:02:34

chaos right now in the deer woods. If you're not there, you need

1:02:36

to be, And so like

1:02:39

there's this thing whereas like if it's October twelfth

1:02:42

and it's the most milk toast date

1:02:44

of the year when it comes to deer hunting and

1:02:46

you spook a big buck, it's not good.

1:02:49

But it's not good. Brother, he is probably out

1:02:51

of there, you know.

1:02:53

But along with

1:02:55

the chaos of the rut is he

1:02:57

might follow does to a completely.

1:02:59

He might find a whole different group of those at night.

1:03:01

You know, he's the king, so who knows

1:03:03

what he decides to do in the morning. I

1:03:05

do think that the area of that buckets

1:03:08

you was using that day as an area that they

1:03:10

frequent. In fact, I think

1:03:12

you had an encounter with this deer earlier in the week

1:03:15

and you were in a

1:03:17

similar area, Like it wasn't too far away,

1:03:19

so I

1:03:21

think he'll be back. I guess it is my long

1:03:23

story short there. Uh, there's

1:03:25

just there's this also this thing where I

1:03:30

think people love the story of the parking lot

1:03:32

deer, Like all that deer should say right by the parking

1:03:34

lot, and he knows when the hunter's in the woods, you.

1:03:36

Know, Like I.

1:03:38

Think that

1:03:40

that is a coincidental

1:03:42

thing where that's

1:03:45

also the best habitat and that's the

1:03:47

best place for a deer to bed, and it just so happens

1:03:49

as close to a parking lot, and it probably doesn't happen near

1:03:51

as often as what you think it

1:03:53

does.

1:03:54

But yeah, deer.

1:03:55

Are going to one thing that people don't

1:03:57

like doing that work for state department.

1:04:00

And sometimes uh bridges.

1:04:02

Yeah, and so when

1:04:04

a when a when a road comes to a creek,

1:04:07

instead of building a bridge, they's for a parking a lot there.

1:04:09

Yeah.

1:04:10

Yeah, I mean so all of a sudden, the parking lot is

1:04:12

by the creek and there's a bunch of thick stuff by

1:04:14

that creek.

1:04:15

Yeah, you know, yeah, it works out,

1:04:17

and so deer deer

1:04:19

going to bed in the best place.

1:04:21

Uh.

1:04:22

And so where where

1:04:24

that place was is one of the best.

1:04:26

Places around the bed.

1:04:27

I mean it's it's sick topography,

1:04:30

great cover with brush.

1:04:32

I mean it just there's gonna be deer in there, you

1:04:34

know. And so uh, I think that

1:04:38

one of the things that podcasting is podcasting

1:04:41

is over complicating things so that

1:04:43

you have to talk about and it's fun and

1:04:45

I love diving deep into it. But like they're like

1:04:47

some you know, pseudo truths

1:04:50

about deer hunting, and one of them

1:04:53

is the best habitat is gonna hold deer.

1:04:55

Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.

1:04:58

Yeah, that's a good thought. I and that and probably

1:05:01

the biggest Bucks most of the time.

1:05:02

Yeah, and they're gonna actually outcompete

1:05:05

the other bucks for the better stuff.

1:05:06

We even saw that this week.

1:05:08

You know, there's an area of

1:05:10

the property that hardly

1:05:12

ever has a human in it, and that's where the biggest bucks

1:05:15

were, and it just so happens to be the reason that humans don't

1:05:17

go there because it's really hard country to

1:05:19

traverse. And so the

1:05:21

bucks, I mean, you

1:05:23

didn't hardly see little bucks or two

1:05:25

or three year olds down in that stuff. There was you

1:05:28

could sit in glass a lot of it and you could see

1:05:30

mature deer down in there running around.

1:05:32

Half of them were broken half racks and

1:05:34

it was oh, man, it's crazy how many

1:05:36

broken deer we saw and like heartbreakers

1:05:39

too, man, like deer i'd love to shoot. And uh,

1:05:41

you know, I don't know, I

1:05:44

may even getting soft in my older age, or maybe

1:05:46

I'm like some kind of jerk

1:05:49

trophy hunter or something.

1:05:50

I don't know, but.

1:05:53

I just I don't want to shoot a broken deer too,

1:05:55

you know, dear, it's too broken.

1:05:56

Up, you know what I mean? Yeah,

1:05:59

And I don't know.

1:06:00

I might end up doing it, but for right now, I would

1:06:02

love to shoot a deer that that

1:06:05

has what he grew, you know what I mean?

1:06:07

Yeah, I hear you. I'm the same way.

1:06:09

It's sure is a weird

1:06:11

thing, man, It's like.

1:06:14

It's hard to yeah, it.

1:06:16

Leaves too much to the imagination, Like I want

1:06:18

to know, yeah, what this deer

1:06:20

has and what he grew and that

1:06:22

he's yeah, is

1:06:24

what he is or whatever.

1:06:26

Tax and evers to put that back on there for you though,

1:06:28

you know.

1:06:28

Hey, if I've had heard you say

1:06:31

it once, I heard you say any times.

1:06:33

One of my favorite things. I

1:06:37

love it.

1:06:38

Yeah, that's true. It's true.

1:06:40

How that, I

1:06:44

guess just so hey, there's a hot element.

1:06:47

I guess just so people

1:06:50

don't feel like we're uh, you know,

1:06:52

alienating them. If you want to shoot a broken deer, that's

1:06:54

fine, and you know, it's

1:06:57

all situational. This is a piece of property

1:06:59

that we have access to that we can kind

1:07:01

of manage a little bit, you

1:07:03

know, not like crazy, but like

1:07:06

we kind of get to choose what gets

1:07:08

killed on it. So you

1:07:10

know, we have that opportunity. Whereas like in

1:07:13

the same token a couple of years

1:07:15

ago, on buck truck, I shot a deer that

1:07:17

had a broken main beam and maybe something

1:07:20

else too.

1:07:21

You know, I'm bounded that deer, you.

1:07:22

Know, buck truck for me and my

1:07:26

Kansas bug was busted up pretty good.

1:07:27

Yeah, I mean you just, uh you kind of got to

1:07:30

make that decision. Uh, and sometimes

1:07:32

you got to make a decision quick. And you know, if you see a

1:07:34

deer on public land that's got a big body and you

1:07:36

think he's cool, shoot him, you know, like you

1:07:39

know, it's it's all uh

1:07:41

subjective, I should.

1:07:43

Say, yeah, yeah, pretty relative.

1:07:45

Man, you know, yeah, yep

1:07:47

for show. Yeah cool.

1:07:49

Well, Greg, congrats on your bug, dude.

1:07:51

Yeah, thank you, congratulations

1:07:55

on to everybody on the great week.

1:07:57

Guy's a good job. It

1:07:59

was cause weaks.

1:08:05

Oh, Tyler, you gotta tell you

1:08:08

gotta tell a little bit of Uh,

1:08:11

we do this thing now where

1:08:15

uh we do a lot of talk to text and

1:08:17

a lot of just texting in

1:08:19

general.

1:08:20

Of course. I mean texting is.

1:08:21

Like just uh,

1:08:24

just a thing that humans do now,

1:08:26

right, and autocorrect and

1:08:28

Siri and all this gets it wrong sometimes,

1:08:31

and so we've started just sending the

1:08:33

wrong word because it's funnier that way.

1:08:36

And uh, the Tyler Dowler

1:08:39

scared some cows out of

1:08:42

this place that there weren't supposed to be any cows

1:08:44

in.

1:08:44

He just texted

1:08:47

me, text me stam pete

1:08:51

instead of a stampede. It was a stam pete.

1:08:55

I was literally walking across the

1:08:57

planes, had to stop walking.

1:09:00

I had a had a butt decoy on my back.

1:09:02

I had to put the decoy down and laugh

1:09:05

in the middle. I mean it was like crunch

1:09:07

time trying to get to the deer stand and

1:09:09

I was I had to just stop and laugh.

1:09:11

It was so funny and stampede. I

1:09:14

knew exactly what you're talking about.

1:09:16

Too, because I've

1:09:19

been a.

1:09:19

Part of a cow fest like

1:09:22

that, A little

1:09:24

sky.

1:09:25

Yeah, good old stampede.

1:09:27

Oh that's

1:09:30

good stuff.

1:09:30

Well, guys, remember to stay out of stampede and

1:09:32

remember this is your element, live

1:09:34

in it.