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Most people think bias is always
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a bad thing. That's not
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me. I'm biased and I want
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you to join me. I'm
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Dr Jonathan. I've got a PhD
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in your problems and I'm on a
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mission to help a million people like you
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to make your workplace inclusive. Get
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your pen and paper ready because we're
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talking about why I'm proud to be
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biased about inclusion. People
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tell you bias is a bad thing.
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People will tell you that you need
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to be careful of your unconscious bias.
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I spend a lot of time, in
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fact, telling you that unconscious bias training
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is a waste of your time. There's
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no evidence it works. There's no follow -up
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to make it work. And there's no
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point you wasting your budget on something
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that is so risky you can't answer
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questions about if it works. I'm
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biased against unconscious bias training because
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it doesn't work because there's no
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evidence because there's not enough I'm
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biased towards action and I want you
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to join me. So here's what we're
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gonna cover today. One, why I
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choose to be biased towards inclusive action.
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Two, why most research
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expects someone else to take
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action. And three, why blaming
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them strips you of power. And
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as always, I'm gonna wrap up with a key
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message and a question for you to answer to
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make sure that this sticks for you. So
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let's start with something I talk about all the
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time. Evidence -based inclusion. This
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means gathering evidence from four
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key sources. One is the
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academic literature. Two is data
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from your organization. Three are
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stakeholders, people who are affected
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by the decisions you make.
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And four is professional expertise,
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yours and other people's. Now
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I always start with the
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academic literature or the scientific
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literature because It's great
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for diagnosing problems. It
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uncovers bias. It maps inequality. It
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identifies systemic issues. But here's the
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thing. It's not so good in
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helping you to do something. It's
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not hot on your next action
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steps. Next time you read
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an academic paper, check out how
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much time, how much space is
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dedicated in helping you to do
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something. Most of the answers
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rely on policy change. And most
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of that policy change is for someone
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else to do. governments, committees,
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institutions, those people
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out there. But you?
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You read that research and you're left
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wondering, what should I do? You
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don't need another problem diagnosis. You need
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a decision. You need the next
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step. I'm biased towards action and
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I want you to join me. And
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this leads me to the second problem. A
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lot of people talk about change, but
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they expect someone else to make it happen.
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You see it a lot on social
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media and you've heard this. They need to
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wake up. They need to change. They
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should want to learn. It's always
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they, never me, never you.
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And this undermines your agency.
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And in particular, it
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strips away your self -efficacy. Self
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what? Self -efficacy. It's
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a famous concept from psychologist
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Professor Albert Bandora. It's
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really famous. Self -efficacy is
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an individual's belief in their
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capacity to act in ways necessary
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to reach their specific goals. Self
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-efficacy affects every area of human life.
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And when I was doing my
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PhD, they constantly told us that self
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-efficacy was a predictor of success in
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almost every endeavor in life. And
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look, I was in the Department of
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Management, so they were talking about
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the workplace. Now, suppose you
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accept that. Suppose you accept what I
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just said. Self -efficacy
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is about belief, but it
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also requires action. Not
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begging others to do it, not
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waiting for others to do it,
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not shaming others into doing it.
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It's about your confidence and your
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ability to do it. And
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I say this because this
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podcast exists to improve your
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confidence in your ability. This
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podcast exists to help you
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to take action. I'm biased
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towards action and I want you to
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join me. And I really want to
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drive this home because I've made some
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big claims here. I literally start the
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show saying, I'm on a mission to
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help a million people like you to
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make your workplace inclusive. This requires
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you to do something. This requires you
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to take action. And this is
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a lot easier if you share my
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bias towards action. That's why at
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the end of every single show, I
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always say, so what do you
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think? Not what they think, not what
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your company thinks. You. What do
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you think? And after that, I ask
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a question and that question implies
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you taking action. Trust me, stay to
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the end of this show. You're
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going to hear me say it today.
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I say it every time. This
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is why I always say I
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want you to make your own mind
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up. Not let me think for
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you, not for DEI experts to think
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for you. It's all about you.
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When you think for yourself, you can
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use what the Stoics refer to
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as your reasoned choice, your critical thinking,
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your opinion is powerful, your
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opinion counts. And my hope
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is that you'll take everything that
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I share here today and in
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every episode to create a workplace
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where everyone can perform, everyone can
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belong, everyone can reach their potential.
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That's what I want personally and
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that's what I'm working towards every
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single day. because I'm biased towards
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action and I want you to
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join me. And also I'm cheering
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you on. So let's wrap this
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up. What are the key messages here? One,
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not all bias is bad
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at all times. Two, research diagnosis
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problems but really shows you
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what to do next. And
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three, waiting for them
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undermines your power to
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change things. So what do
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you think? What specific action are you
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going to take this week to create
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a more inclusive workplace? Send
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me a message directly if you want to discuss
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this further. If you've learned something
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from today's show then give us a
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five star review and a comment wherever you're
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listening to the podcast. It helps other
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people like you find the show. Thanks
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for listening and see you in
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the next episode.
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