0:00

You think about the person in

0:02

your life, when you started,

0:05

believing you more than anyone

0:07

else? They're the ones that

0:09

made the same thing. Can

0:11

I walk out, oh man's

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next to me? They're not

0:15

just looking at you, they're

0:17

looking at what made you.

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I want them talking about

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our fucking game. I want

0:24

them talking about us. Oh,

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enjoy it on 2020, on,

0:30

on, on, on, on, on.

0:32

Welcome, listeners, to The Extra

0:34

Inch. My name's Wendy, and

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I'm joined by my sidekick

0:39

and best friend, Vardie. Hello,

0:41

Bardie. We want a game,

0:43

Wendy! And our tactics, boy,

0:46

and a man who just

0:48

wanted to hear the fans

0:50

loudly each year for Sar's

0:52

wonderful goal, is Nathanne? Sorry,

0:54

what's that mate? Sorry. We

0:57

got this we got this message from

0:59

Viper CFK on the discord who said

1:01

in advance of the Frankfurt game How

1:03

about a pod that won't feel like

1:05

the season has been a kick to

1:07

the balls? Just random shouts of wits

1:09

hot and we're gonna smash him up

1:11

Questions like, remember that time we got

1:13

so drunk, you dot, dot, dot, dot,

1:15

any chance we come at this pod

1:17

where I don't feel like I'd rather

1:19

be actually working than watching the game.

1:22

And if that's a no, then how

1:24

about, I need a new show to

1:26

stream, what if you watch recently you

1:28

enjoyed? Are we going to be

1:30

able to produce some hype man-style

1:32

vibes ahead of Frankfurt? I feel

1:34

like with Bardiie's intro there, he's

1:36

feeling it. Okay. Yeah, yeah, that

1:39

works for me. Yeah, look, hey,

1:41

uh, my mood, Tottenham-Wise, coming into

1:43

this podcast, isn't great. Isn't

1:45

great. I've kind of reached

1:47

my breaking point with Ang,

1:49

but with that said, we

1:51

could still fucking win the

1:53

European like I... It's entirely

1:55

possible. It's entirely possible, and

1:57

I'm gonna be excited for...

1:59

I'm not going to be very

2:01

excited for any weekends coming up

2:03

anytime soon. But I'm going to

2:05

enjoy my Thursdays, or at least

2:08

I'm going to try to enjoy

2:10

my Thursdays. Absolutely. And Bartie argued

2:12

this point a few weeks ago.

2:14

It is completely, completely within your

2:16

rights as a Spurs fan to

2:18

be like... this isn't working out

2:20

we're going to need to change

2:22

the coach in the summer but

2:24

still embrace a cup run if

2:26

there's more cup run to come

2:28

so I intend to go into

2:30

Thursday with some some belief and

2:32

some excitement because that is that

2:34

is within my power to choose

2:36

to be excited right and I

2:38

want to encourage everyone listening to

2:40

to want to win the Europe

2:42

League because I want to win

2:44

the Europe League for sure I

2:46

sold my ticket for Sunday because

2:48

the Premier League now doesn't really

2:51

matter but I've bought my ticket

2:53

for for Thursday. So the 51

2:55

pound I got for Southampton went

2:57

straight onto a ticket for Frankfurt

2:59

and it's like I'd rather go

3:01

to Tottenham on a Thursday evening

3:03

than I would on a gloriously

3:05

sunny sunny Sunday. That's just where

3:07

we are right now. The league

3:09

games aren't that interested but please

3:11

do continue to buy my season

3:13

ticket if you see it available

3:15

on the ticket change. Thank you.

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This week's episode of The Extreme

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is sponsored by Bardee Season. My

3:21

seat is lovely. Everybody that has,

3:23

I've done a ticket exchange swap

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with in our discord, has enjoyed

3:27

my seat and the individual next

3:29

to me who can't pronounce Kuleski

3:32

properly thinks everything's a handball. It's

3:34

a lovely seat. How does he

3:36

pronounce Koleseski? Kola. Kola. Kula. Kula.

3:38

Kula. My dad says Kuli, which

3:40

is like, it's so wrong that

3:42

it must be intentional in this,

3:44

like as a nickname, but I've

3:46

never inquired as to, do you

3:48

think it's pronounced Kuli Chevski or

3:50

something? I mean, I don't, I'm

3:52

one to talk about names, apparently

3:54

I butchered Tangi's surname for, for

3:56

years, and a shewobeeks as well,

3:58

so yeah, like, it happens to

4:00

the best of us. It does.

4:02

There's juicy three points that's secured

4:04

us now. We can't go down

4:06

anymore. Is that correct? And we've

4:08

got another manager fired in the

4:10

meantime. And another club relegated. Is

4:12

it three seasons in a row?

4:15

We relegated the club. Is that

4:17

right? Oh my goodness. Yeah. Yeah,

4:19

that feels like terrible stuff. It

4:21

feels nasty. Obviously it's not our

4:23

fault. Obviously it's the course of

4:25

the season. But I always feel

4:27

a little icky when the game

4:29

finishes and then we see the

4:31

away fans or whatever, you know,

4:33

clapping their really getting club back

4:35

down to the championship and talks

4:37

about their future and stuff. I

4:39

mean it couldn't happen to a

4:41

better goalkeeper to get relegated again.

4:43

I think that's his fourth relegation.

4:45

I was talking to someone a

4:47

few months ago on Twitter about

4:49

which player has been relegated the

4:51

most from the Premier League and

4:53

I think he's definitely up there

4:55

with Nigel Kwashi as like multiple

4:58

relegation players. Interesting. They are horrific.

5:00

horrific. No wonder that we've seen

5:02

off two Southampton managers this season.

5:04

Just so appallingly bad. I don't

5:06

know where it went so wrong

5:08

for them this year. I think,

5:10

okay, I do know where it

5:12

went so wrong. I think the

5:14

problem with Southampton was they tried

5:16

to play Russell Martin's very nice

5:18

progressive footballing style with players who

5:20

are significantly inferior to those other

5:22

teams they were up against. And

5:24

unless you've got some sort of

5:26

mastermind genius coach that can overcome

5:28

that talent deficit, then you're going

5:30

to run into problems. They made

5:32

some semi-decent signings, I think, at

5:34

the start of the season, but

5:36

not enough of them, and they've

5:38

ended up with a really quite

5:41

poor squad. I'm heavily reliant on

5:43

a, was he, was he, 18-year-old

5:45

winger, who's been carrying them for

5:47

many of the last few weeks,

5:49

awful team. The first half of

5:51

a... of Saturday's game was one

5:53

of the worst opposition performances I've

5:55

seen against us in quite some

5:57

time. Were you at the game,

5:59

bud? No, no, I saw my

6:01

ticket. I saw my ticket. I

6:03

was interested in here what the

6:05

atmosphere like. A few people have

6:07

said that it was quite flat

6:09

on blue sky, but I wondered

6:11

if that was your interpretation, but

6:13

alas, you were at home. I

6:15

mean, post Chelsea, there was a

6:17

March Guardian said there's about 350

6:20

people there for the March. Things

6:22

aren't going well. It's a game

6:24

that you would expect, even a

6:26

totem team this bad is expected

6:28

to beat Southampton comfortably. And it's

6:30

hard enough to... to kind of

6:32

get the crowd going when we're

6:34

up against a bad team, but

6:36

a team that bad. So yeah,

6:38

I think the only way the

6:40

crowd would get would be boisterous is

6:42

if we went a goal down, but

6:45

that was just what nearly happened. But

6:47

yeah, they just weren't very good. It

6:49

was it was a training match at

6:51

the end of the day, just waiting

6:53

for the goals goals to come and

6:56

Johnson does what Johnson does and you

6:58

know, nice little finishes. I really enjoyed

7:00

the second finish to be honest. Honestly,

7:02

he's arriving in the box and his

7:05

first time finishing this season have been

7:07

nothing short of exceptional. And both of

7:09

these goals were excellent, excellent finishes,

7:11

one-touch finishes. You just mentioned that

7:13

we nearly went and got behind.

7:16

So just before Johnson's first goal,

7:18

we nearly conceded a classic Spurs

7:20

under Ange goal with a man

7:22

over at the back post. Poiro

7:24

get him a deflection onto the

7:27

post to rescue us to rescue

7:29

us. probably less than 90 seconds

7:31

later, we got the other end

7:33

and Johnson meets that cut back

7:35

beautifully and just belts it into

7:38

the top of the net. Can

7:40

I ask a tactical question first?

7:42

Please. Where does this extra man

7:44

always have come from? Like it

7:46

doesn't matter how bad the team

7:48

are. South Hampton, there's always a

7:51

second person at the back post

7:53

and where's our second man? Where's

7:55

our other guy? Where is he?

7:57

Nathan, where is he? What's he

7:59

doing? What's he doing different? Or why

8:01

is he not there? What's he doing

8:03

instead of being there? I mean, you've

8:05

asked the right question, right? Because unless

8:07

someone's been sent off or you've got

8:10

an injury after too many subs, there

8:12

are no extra men. Yeah. It's merely

8:14

a matter of where they are. So

8:16

it's the far side winger. So in

8:18

this situation, it would have been Brennan

8:20

Johnson. And the answer is the box.

8:22

Yeah, he's getting ready to score the

8:24

goal down the other end space. That

8:26

is not on that is not on

8:28

Brennan Johnson by the way that is

8:30

um I don't think it is on

8:32

Brennan. I'm fairly confident it's not on

8:34

Brennan Johnson because Anne said post game

8:36

that he's one of our most disciplined

8:38

players when it comes to positional stuff.

8:41

Oh, I disagree. Oh, well, he meant

8:43

that in terms of, he meant that

8:45

in terms of the goal, but I

8:47

think it translates also to where he

8:49

expects him to be in the out

8:51

of position game. I think, because this

8:53

happens on both, on both sides. All

8:55

the time. Yeah, yeah. I think it

8:57

is a, it's a, it's a, it's

8:59

a, it's a, it's a, it's a,

9:01

it's a, it's a, it's a, it's

9:03

a, it's a, it's a, it's a,

9:05

it's a, it's a, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

9:07

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's a risk

9:09

reward thing and in this case we

9:11

were rewarded for it. Big time. So

9:14

absolutely it's tactical first and foremost and

9:16

we do see on both sides of

9:18

the pitch and we see whether our,

9:20

you know, we're playing Uda bear or

9:22

Kuleski or son or more or who

9:24

else have we played wide tail, right?

9:26

In addition... Brennan Johnson isn't brilliantly positionally

9:28

aware defensively, but it's kind of a

9:30

tertiary thing compared to we ask our

9:32

winger to be a little higher and

9:34

more central than you would typically, but

9:36

the most seems would ask their wing

9:38

to be in that situation so that

9:40

they're ready for the counter attack and

9:42

we've conceded a number of goals. So

9:45

when the ball goes over to our

9:47

left, the opposition's right. Yeah, we sent

9:49

quite a few players over to the

9:51

near side. and maybe more than most

9:53

clubs do, but I wouldn't be absolutely

9:55

certain of that. We send a lot

9:57

of players over to the near side.

9:59

And when they're right wing, it gets

10:01

ready to swing one in. Our right

10:03

winger goes, I'm not going to go

10:05

all the way back and follow my

10:07

guy or an overlapping fallback. I'm just

10:09

going to hold this position and hope

10:11

that we win the header or Bekario

10:13

catches it and then rolls it out

10:16

quickly for me to run up the

10:18

other end. I think the reasoning would

10:20

be, the postocoglian reasoning or perspective when

10:22

it would be, the failure is allowing

10:24

that cross to happen. Okay. Right. So

10:26

because we send so many players over

10:28

there and because we're so defensively aggressive,

10:30

the opposition should never be afforded enough time

10:32

to shape up and be able to hit

10:34

a cross undeflected to the back post. And

10:36

so we should win the ball on the

10:39

near side and then we should quickly switch

10:41

it to the winger, the far side winger

10:43

who didn't drop back into his own box

10:45

and therefore he's ready to score. And so

10:47

the failure from again I suspect from a

10:49

man's perspective is not what happened when the

10:52

ball gets to the ball gets to the

10:54

ball gets to the ball. post, but in

10:56

allowing that cross to be shaped and hit

10:58

and unpressured in the first place. So whereas

11:00

Marino and perhaps Conte would allow

11:02

the cross to come in and

11:05

just rely on bodies in the

11:07

box to do it, but it

11:09

keeps happening. Supposed to Coglu, that's

11:11

where he's not adapted. That's where

11:13

he's not gone okay. We're not

11:15

very good at pressing anymore. So

11:17

he's not going to get back

11:19

and help defend. He's kept, he's

11:21

just stuck to it. Yeah, yeah,

11:23

I mean, but also at the

11:25

same time, and Rino and Konte

11:27

stuck to not pressuring the cross

11:29

and just like, it would be right,

11:31

Eric Dyer will definitely get rid of

11:33

it this time. Yeah. That didn't happen

11:35

either, right. So Spence doesn't get close

11:37

enough, undeniably, but Dibbling doesn't have that

11:39

much room to work with and he

11:42

gets enough lift but keeps it flat

11:44

enough. Yeah, for under his feet, but

11:46

keeps it flat enough that it's a

11:48

real threatening teaser to the back post.

11:50

I thought that was really quite impressive

11:52

delivery. And I thought Dibbling had some

11:54

nice touches. I mean, the reason I'm

11:56

talking about Dibbling is of course that

11:58

we've been linked with him consistently. bargain

12:00

of just a mere 100 million pounds,

12:02

that teenager who's going to be all

12:05

right in a few years could be

12:07

just absurd, right? Like, uh... It's too

12:09

much. Too much money. We should not

12:11

be buying any more young players for

12:14

that sort of money. It's unnecessary at

12:16

this point. But yeah, if we sign

12:18

Diblin, we should absolutely be loaning him

12:20

out. He is a massive prospect. We

12:23

should not be having any more prospects

12:25

in our first team. We need players

12:27

for now. If we sign Diblin for

12:29

50 million pounds and loan amount immediately,

12:32

I'll kick off. Yeah, I think a

12:34

lot of people would kick off over

12:36

that kind of business. The alternative might

12:38

be signing Dibbling for 50 million pounds

12:41

and then not playing him at all.

12:43

Anyway, anyway, praise for Johnson, massively deserves

12:45

it. He creeps over the 10 goal,

12:47

10 league goal mark with a season.

12:50

I think what's really interesting with Johnson

12:52

is he is still a player that

12:54

divides the fan base so much. And

12:56

I'm really intrigued to see what the

12:59

next coach does with him because you

13:01

don't really get many wide finishes these

13:03

days. It's, you don't get, so he's,

13:05

he's, he's, he's, he's, he's... I mean,

13:08

it's really hard to compare him to

13:10

anyone, but there's a discussion in the

13:12

discourse at the weekend about whether he

13:14

would be considered a round-deuter. Thomas Miller,

13:17

I think that is a correct appreciation

13:19

of his style. You don't really get

13:21

many of those in this era of

13:23

Premier League or top-level football, mostly... Wingers

13:26

are expected to create, to carry, to

13:28

commit their man, to work back in

13:30

some cases. But Johnson's not like that.

13:32

He's a player there to get on

13:35

the end of stuff, to arrive at

13:37

the right moment, to make runs beyond

13:39

the defence and put a first time

13:41

cross across the box. So very intrigued

13:44

just to see how the next manager

13:46

handles him. Yeah, I mean... Delhi works

13:48

for us and was played wide often.

13:50

Mueller often plays wide or somewhat often

13:53

plays wide for buying, has played wide

13:55

for buying and scored a lot of

13:57

goals and got a lot of assists.

13:59

I think the fact that he hasn't

14:02

played much central is going to be

14:04

limiting there because both those two players

14:06

still get more game time central. There

14:08

are other players who who are kind

14:11

of just goal scorer and playing those

14:13

kinds of various, but the fact that

14:15

he is so Really quite touchline orientated.

14:17

Yeah. Or at least has been in

14:20

the way that he's played most of

14:22

the time. probably does limit what he

14:24

could offer offer other coaches and other

14:26

systems. I suspect he could be he

14:29

could be a victim of a changing

14:31

coach or he might have to see

14:33

if he can transition to playing center

14:35

forward in the future. I wonder what

14:38

that might. I think so. He's um

14:40

he doesn't have the technical ability of

14:42

Delhi or mullah and even he's got

14:44

bit of Dempsey's around him who would

14:47

just pop up at the back post

14:49

but even Dempsey was good on the

14:51

ball and strong in the air. It's

14:53

a real funny one with Johnson where

14:56

he fits for us going forward. You

14:58

could see him maybe working in a

15:00

kind of a weird two up front,

15:02

but sure I don't any manager that

15:05

was going to play with wide men

15:07

I just I don't I don't see

15:09

him just don't see it working like

15:11

it hasn't worked. Is there an argument

15:14

that because of his goal scoring prowess

15:16

this season the new man should be

15:18

trying to make it work to try

15:20

and to tell around him. You can't

15:23

build a team around Brennan Johnson no.

15:25

Keep him as a good sub. I

15:27

think I don't think we should sell

15:29

him. I don't think it's worth the

15:32

money to sell him but I think

15:34

he gives us a good squad option

15:36

for next season. Certainly has been interesting

15:38

to see his transition from last year

15:41

scoring few goals but creating a lot.

15:43

This year... barely creating any goals but

15:45

scoring many yeah yeah yeah we'll be

15:47

we'll be fascinated to see how that

15:50

little conundrum plays out I think that

15:52

is a product of us simply being

15:54

able to execute those back-to-front players less

15:56

or less you know, less of those

15:59

occasions where we draw the opposition out

16:01

onto us and are able to play

16:03

through the lines into space. That just

16:05

means he ends up in goal scoring

16:08

scenarios rather than assisting scenarios. I think,

16:10

I think that's right. I do think

16:12

that's right. And this is, I think,

16:14

sorry to go into like... and universally

16:17

and out stuff because it's so tiresome.

16:19

But I do think this is something

16:21

that gets lost in the discussion is

16:23

that honestly I believe there are some

16:26

really good coaches in the Premier League

16:28

and many of them have sussed out

16:30

how to play against Spurs and I

16:32

think stopping that space in behind has

16:35

been crucial to the downward spiral that

16:37

we've seen this year. I'm not sure

16:39

on that personally. Okay. Because if you

16:42

could just stop the space in behind

16:44

then teams could stop the space in

16:46

and behind against city against Arsenal against

16:49

Liverpool and they still have space in

16:51

behind, don't they? Yes, um, let's let's

16:53

park this conversation. So I think it's

16:55

one for another day. We played a

16:58

really strong 11 against Southampton, the easiest.

17:00

I actually don't think you went

17:02

far enough on Southampton at the

17:05

beginning. I actually think this is

17:07

the worst primity team I've ever

17:09

seen. even worse than 1516 Aston

17:12

Villa. They might break records. I

17:14

didn't see Darby. Yeah, they're better

17:17

than that Darby team. They're just,

17:19

just better than that Darby team.

17:21

They'll get, I think they need

17:24

what, four points from their last

17:26

couple of games, last few games

17:28

to beat 11. It's gonna be close.

17:31

They just. They just don't have any forwards,

17:33

they just don't have any forwards and they

17:35

barely have a midfield and their sense of

17:37

defence is awful and they haven't, you know,

17:39

Grammese there as much as we like to

17:41

wind him up is a decent goalkeeper. That's

17:43

it, but a goalkeeper's not going to keep

17:45

you in the league. No, and funnily enough

17:47

that it's us talking about it, but like

17:49

two in three seasons, they've just gone too

17:51

young. There are some real talents in that

17:53

Southampton squads, but they're just not at the

17:55

level, they will be when they will be

17:57

when they will be when they're 25 when

17:59

they're 25. that's good enough now to

18:01

keep them in the league. And

18:03

as much as you can put

18:05

talent and promise into your squad,

18:07

you need performances out of them

18:09

now if you want to achieve

18:11

something, which obviously also applies to

18:13

us to a certain degree as

18:15

well. Yeah. That point started Nathan

18:17

with you talking about how strong

18:19

we've got against Southampton. I assume

18:21

you're saying that we perhaps could

18:23

have rested a few more ahead

18:25

of Frankfurt. Yeah, our once again

18:27

the biggest game of the season

18:29

is coming up for us and

18:32

we haven't really rotated in the

18:34

two games prior very much. So

18:36

Van Devendent New Dog, you missed

18:38

out this time around. Yes. I

18:40

imagine you're talking more about players

18:42

like Madison, Salanky and Son. Madison,

18:44

Salanky and Son. to a letter

18:46

which went burgval. Yeah, I think

18:48

that's fair. And you think Madison

18:50

Slanky and some will all start

18:52

against Frankfurt? I think that they

18:54

should. I suspect they probably will.

18:56

And it's interesting because Anne's kind

18:58

of alluded to. A lack of

19:00

rotation, he didn't call it a

19:02

lack of rotation, but he refers

19:04

to there being a big mistake

19:06

that he made in the first

19:08

or third of the season. And

19:10

either he's talking about his own

19:12

lack of rotation or he's referring

19:14

to the club buying too young

19:16

in what we just talked about,

19:18

I'm just talking about, his own

19:20

lack of rotation, or he's referring

19:22

to the club buying too young

19:24

in what we just talked about,

19:26

right? I missed this. I missed

19:28

this, there being a significant... mistake

19:30

that was made in the first

19:32

part of the season. I think

19:34

that he's talking about a lack

19:36

of rotation. I can't remember the

19:38

exact context. Anyway, it's interesting that

19:40

he's made what I think is

19:42

that comment and then not rotated

19:44

much. However, that has come after

19:46

the international break in which a

19:48

number of our players didn't play

19:50

much or go very far. Obviously,

19:52

Sun did. So I've got some

19:54

points I want to make on

19:56

this, but I want to hear

19:58

yours, Wendy, because you're Mr. Rotation.

20:00

I was pleasantly surprised that Van

20:02

Daven didn't play again. Southampton. Okay.

20:04

I don't really have a strong

20:06

opinion about Udogi not playing because

20:08

Udogi wouldn't be playing for me

20:10

against Frankfurt. So I thought, you know,

20:12

whatever, maybe respence actually. Son, I

20:15

can't get my head around why

20:17

Son started. Madison I think should

20:19

have played at least half an

20:21

hour a few minutes in the

20:23

last two matches. It is so

20:25

rare for him to start two

20:27

games on the bounce then on

20:29

three three on the bounce I

20:31

don't know when that's happened before

20:33

uh-huh this season I mean and

20:35

I don't really mind with Slanky

20:37

I thought Slanky would have come

20:39

off sooner against Southampton but I

20:41

think I think his levels his fitness

20:43

levels are insane generally it a bit

20:45

like Kulesevsky actually and we shouldn't mess

20:48

with that too much but if if

20:50

the feeling is that it would have

20:52

been better to leave San Ankyon and

20:54

I hope that he gets a goal

20:56

and and feels himself then I think

20:59

that is a perfectly fine argument. So

21:01

the big ones for me were not

21:03

managing Sons minutes and not managing Madison's

21:05

minutes although I was quite happy to

21:07

see Madison start because when he doesn't

21:10

start I don't enjoy watching us play.

21:12

Buddy. I mean I right now I think

21:14

Posticogolle's most important thing is to win matches.

21:16

So I think he has to play his

21:18

first team. He couldn't run the risk of

21:20

losing to Southampton. It would have been a

21:22

mess. So he had to play his best

21:24

team. And he had to play his best

21:26

team against Chelsea as well. Vanderven, being rested,

21:29

helped. I don't think he looked great against

21:31

Chelsea. I think he still looks a bit

21:33

rusty. But yeah, that's it. Yeah, I think

21:35

definitely, definitely you're right that we just need

21:37

any wins that we can get. We need

21:39

to try and build momentum going into Thursday,

21:41

but I think more than that, so it

21:44

happened in the sole part that they provide

21:46

a good training scenario. I think that that's

21:48

probably the mindset behind playing essentially our first

21:50

choice 11 to try and get some form

21:52

and cohesion and and build relationships and ideas,

21:55

which you've not been able to do while

21:57

they've been out injured. They've been back a

21:59

little... well but they've not had a run

22:01

of games and certainly not a run of

22:04

wins to build that cohesion so I suspect

22:06

that is the thinking is is try and

22:08

get some some plays going you know and

22:10

do you think that succeeded somewhat a little

22:13

bit I don't know I mean I started

22:15

this podcast positive because we beat South Hampton

22:17

and I don't want I don't want to

22:19

be down in the dumps about it so

22:22

I just think we should be happy we

22:24

won the game happy we avoided an embarrassing

22:26

defeat or an embarrassing drop point situation and

22:28

then we could just we could just look

22:31

forward to Thursday I don't there's nothing I've

22:33

seen in the South Hampton game or the

22:35

Chelsea game that gives him much hope other

22:37

than the fact that Frankfurt are on a

22:40

bit of a dodgy run as well yeah

22:42

I had nothing has filled me with hope

22:44

for the following for the for the Frankfurt

22:46

game after these two matches after these two

22:49

matches so Ang himself said of the second

22:51

half I thought we became way too passive

22:53

without the ball. We allowed Southampton to get

22:56

a little bit of rhythm. We were really

22:58

sloppy with the ball and substitutions we made

23:00

didn't really make the impact I wanted. As

23:02

you said, that allows them to get a

23:05

goal at the end which was disappointing and

23:07

something we need to improve on. So many

23:09

people have said, oh we know, we clearly

23:11

took the foot off the pedal in the

23:14

second half in the second half in was

23:16

utterly diabol. To be honest, I don't care.

23:18

in the sense that Andrew's going anyway, the

23:20

game was won, but it was it was

23:23

a appalling performance in the second half. We

23:25

let, as Nathan just said, one of the

23:27

worst ever Premier League teams build a foothold

23:29

in the game. And actually at one point

23:32

it looked like they might equalise. And yeah,

23:34

that's, it's not good enough with the quality

23:36

of players we have in the pitch. It's

23:38

very disappointing. I thought the first half was

23:41

sort of fine. I thought there was some...

23:43

quite good moments, some, especially notice of my

23:45

rewatch, there was some quite nice link-up play,

23:47

Madison was finding nice pockets of space on

23:50

the left, putting in a couple of nice

23:52

deliveries. Spence I thought looked really strong in

23:54

holding that left flank and yeah I thought

23:56

we were pretty good I thought we were

23:59

pretty good in the first half albeit against

24:01

dreadful opposition. I have found that quote Nathan

24:03

that you referenced. It was from the previous

24:05

press conference so Yeah, Ang says, I think

24:08

we got the start of the year wrong.

24:10

It's becoming increasingly challenging for football as they

24:12

don't get the traditional break. I think we

24:14

went into the season really hard and underestimated

24:17

the challenges of Europe with the two extra

24:19

games, having a cup run, having a cup

24:21

run, having a cup run, having a cup

24:23

run, and having a cup run, and having

24:26

a cup run, having a cup run, losing

24:28

a cup run, all those things, losing a

24:30

mix, losing the challenges of Europe with the

24:32

two extra games, having a cup run all

24:35

those things. visualization thing than rotation made? I

24:37

think both. I suspect both. And I think

24:39

that is good self-reflection that I agree with.

24:41

And if the unthinkable happens and we win

24:44

the Europa League and that gets the third

24:46

season, then I would say that bodes well

24:48

for fitness, why fitness? fitness, all my talk

24:50

about fitness management, thank you, next year. I'd

24:53

quite like Ang to win the European League,

24:55

cup his ear at the fans when he's

24:57

holding the trophy and then just walk away.

24:59

I'll take that, I'll take him muggin' off

25:02

if he wins us a trophy. So let's

25:04

let's talk about that a little bit. To

25:06

be honest it's probably the biggest talking point

25:08

of the week. So we have this moment

25:11

in the game where we're one-mill down to

25:13

Chelsea. We're not playing very well, we're creating

25:15

very minimal chances. And I think objectively one

25:17

of the brighter players in the game for

25:20

us, Bergval, is taking off Patmatasar, who I

25:22

think most people would say is a less

25:24

creative player than Bergval. And the fans boo

25:26

the substitution and seeing you don't know what

25:29

you're doing. For context, that is a sort

25:31

of very tradition. chance in English football, it's

25:33

not like a, it's not something that Spurs

25:35

fans have invented for Ange. In fact, I

25:38

made the point in my weekly email that

25:40

that is a song that amongst my family

25:42

we sing to each other whenever someone does

25:44

something daft, such is that ingrained in English

25:47

fan culture. So it's a way for fans

25:49

to vent a bit of displeasure about a

25:51

particular decision and we've seen... over the years,

25:53

many managers be met with that child on

25:56

the back of making a substitution fans disagree

25:58

with. And then in response, when Sar scores

26:00

the goal that was ultimately disallowed, cut his

26:02

ear to the spurs fans, a gesture made

26:05

famous by Jose Marino, and my interpretation of

26:07

that, I think the... widely acknowledged interpretation of

26:09

that is, hey, don't know what I'm doing,

26:11

do I? Well, the guy I brought on

26:14

for Boba, I've just scored, so, you know,

26:16

suck it. It's a universal gesture that players

26:18

all around. the world do when opposition fans

26:20

say what a waste of money that kind

26:23

of stuff when they've been getting abused by

26:25

the opposition fans they they cut their ear

26:27

and say and and there you go have

26:29

some of that it's a it's a clap

26:32

back at the fans right it's like yeah

26:34

like if I was to if I was

26:36

to try and say the fan to the

26:38

fans I can't hear you make some more

26:41

noise with your arms you would do a

26:43

kind of a swelling gesture you know so

26:45

this was his argument in the post game

26:47

chat was I just wanted to hear the

26:50

fans cheer for a great goal or something

26:52

along those lines. How did that make you

26:54

feel, Marty? I was thought it was pretty

26:56

funny, you know. I don't want our manager

26:59

to be a comedian, I want him to

27:01

be quite serious. So, you know, taking it

27:03

out of context, it's quite funny that a

27:05

manager was so upset by what the fans

27:08

think, but it's not the first time he's

27:10

had to be dragged away before. So he's

27:12

clearly got some... He's we've

27:14

really they've touched a

27:17

nerve with him and

27:19

it's on his mind

27:21

and what he's done

27:23

is he's allowed that

27:26

kind He's allowed it

27:28

to show to everybody

27:30

else that it's affecting

27:32

him Which is what

27:35

he shouldn't do he

27:37

these footballers manages the

27:39

rest of unfortunately. They

27:41

have to take a

27:44

higher stance They can't

27:46

subject themselves to the

27:48

kind of common the

27:50

common man's approach to

27:53

things So he's that

27:55

he's allowed to he's

27:57

allowed everyone to see

27:59

that the fans have

28:02

got to him It's

28:04

a silly thing he's

28:06

done. He should have

28:08

just owned up to

28:11

it instead of trying

28:13

to lie his way

28:15

out of it And

28:17

it's just made him

28:20

look a bit a

28:22

bit silly really So

28:24

so this is the

28:26

this is the other

28:29

important context that Baldi

28:31

just pointed out that

28:33

there there have been

28:35

several altercations with fans

28:38

Yeah in the last

28:40

few weeks Since

28:42

man city since Man City

28:44

at home last yeah, yeah, yeah

28:46

No, I mean yeah There

28:48

were some disagreements with fans around

28:50

the Man City game for

28:53

sure and a lot of people

28:55

didn't enjoy and After that

28:57

point, I think it's safe to

28:59

say Some of the confrontations

29:01

that he has had with fans

29:03

have been led by Totally

29:05

unacceptable behavior from fans. Yeah like

29:07

vile abuse vile personal abuse

29:09

Directed at the manager or any

29:12

player completely unacceptable in my

29:14

view And and that's been an

29:16

ongoing theme and he has

29:18

had to be dragged away from

29:20

the fans by Spence by

29:22

tell I think it's happened twice

29:24

the Spencer's had to drag

29:26

it away Um This was not

29:28

that in my opinion. It

29:30

probably feeds into that But this

29:33

was a large large section

29:35

of the away support Singing that

29:37

song and Disagreeing with the

29:39

state of substitution and so when

29:41

he the following day after

29:43

he had time to sleep on

29:45

it and reflect I thought

29:47

okay, maybe he's going to Maybe

29:49

he's gonna just own the

29:51

gesture maybe he needs to just

29:54

like own what happened and

29:56

say look they're getting some stick

29:58

and I was I was

30:00

pleased to be able to sort

30:02

celebrate the goal I just

30:04

want the fans to trust me

30:06

and trust I made the

30:08

right decisions, but he didn't he

30:10

conflated it with the that he'd received

30:13

previously and went on to talk about fans filming him with

30:15

mobile phones and trying to get a reaction which is a

30:17

completely legitimate point I think yeah but the timing and the

30:19

linking of that point to the incident at Stanford Bridge I

30:21

think were just like he's taking us for fools basically and

30:23

I don't like to be taken for a full by our

30:25

manager it's it's it's irritating and I think he in that

30:27

in that same press conference, he went on to talk about,

30:29

you know, having two years at the

30:31

club, which is pretty good for Tottenham

30:34

or some quip along those lines. So,

30:36

like, he's, he's picking battles with the

30:38

families, he's picking battles with the owners.

30:40

a bit of a head loss Nathan.

30:42

Yeah, and again, like the point you

30:44

just made, in that answer where he

30:46

says two years at Tottenham is pretty

30:49

good going, he makes a point that

30:51

like, you know, the club needs some

30:53

kind of continuity. And I totally agree

30:55

with that in terms of our next

30:57

coach's play style. Yeah. And the fact

30:59

that throughout the Enoch tenure, coach

31:01

style, recruitment style, etc. He's absolutely

31:03

right about that. But the quit

31:06

lasted two years that Tottenham is

31:08

pretty good going is... Which is

31:10

a bit silly because you should

31:12

have got sacked in January. So

31:14

yeah, people were lucky that too.

31:16

Yeah, right. So it's just, yeah,

31:18

it screams a head loss. There

31:20

was a post by Charlie Eccleshare

31:23

who no longer reports on Tottenham,

31:25

unfortunately. He said, I feel like

31:27

there's three things possible we pride

31:29

himself on are his communication skills,

31:31

his straight talking and being thick-skinned.

31:33

And him not owning the confrontation

31:35

with fans, Chelsea game. of mine's

31:37

all three and I really agree

31:39

with that. Absolutely. Yeah, I don't

31:41

know, like this, this isn't close

31:43

to some of the things Conte

31:45

said. Okay, that was one of

31:47

the questions we had from normal

31:49

pride. You said more rancid vibes

31:51

after Conte talking shit about the

31:53

club or Ange taunting away fans.

31:55

Yeah, I don't think you're in

31:57

the same tier man. This is

31:59

bad. this is clearly things getting to

32:01

him and him buckling and doing things

32:04

that are contrary to his own character

32:06

or at least the character that he

32:08

chooses to project but I don't think

32:10

this is in the same tier of

32:13

some of the stuff that Kontay and

32:15

even Marino said. So I think I

32:17

disagree I think I think um I

32:20

think these are the same I think

32:22

it's the same as what Kontay did

32:24

it in a very ang way so

32:26

Anj is doing it in like he

32:29

is just shooting the shit, answering a

32:31

long-form question with a long-form answer, and

32:33

getting a few jibes in there. Conte

32:35

is such a hothead he can't help

32:38

himself. But I think ultimately the sentiment

32:40

is the same. that what they're saying

32:42

about the club is to say. Don't

32:44

Corleone, said to his son, Vito Corleone,

32:47

never let anyone outside the family know

32:49

what you're thinking. And he does. Sonny

32:51

Corleone, he tells Solotso what he's thinking

32:54

and it leads up to the war,

32:56

the five families. Because they know that

32:58

Sun is a hothead. He's going to

33:00

react, so they set it all up,

33:03

and that's how, that's how Sunne gets

33:05

wacked. Oh. is sunny and has let

33:07

everybody know how to get to him

33:09

and how he'll react. So now he's

33:12

become like a target so it's gonna

33:14

keep happening now because they know because

33:16

everybody a lot of people are out

33:18

there after likes and clicks and everything

33:21

else so they're going to keep putting

33:23

their cameras in his face and saying

33:25

stuff to him. It was the Fulham

33:27

game recently that happened as well. They're

33:30

just going to lean over the sides,

33:32

point a camera in his face and

33:34

he's just... Never go to the level

33:37

of the of the fans because we're

33:39

not good people and also I just

33:41

want to say that I applied for

33:43

a ticket for Chelsea But it is

33:46

impossible because the amount of loyalty points

33:48

you get to go there So it's

33:50

not like these people traveled up halfway

33:52

up the world to go and watch

33:55

chose in South London and you jump

33:57

on the tube So the the loyalty

33:59

points to get to this game was

34:01

really really high and they chose to

34:04

go there and I know you could

34:06

be upset but I do think some

34:08

of the reactions are too much and

34:10

you can't just keep coming back oh

34:13

I've traveled so far you didn't trouble

34:15

that far for this game so yeah

34:17

but you can't I'm criticizing I am

34:20

criticizing the away fans fuck it but

34:22

um posticogler needed to be bigger than

34:24

that and this fact you can criticize

34:26

the away fans if you want to

34:29

say hey there's a hell of a

34:31

lot of racists in the away fans

34:33

or or or even like don't fucking

34:35

get on the managers back when we're

34:38

still in the game and we can

34:40

potentially be pulling this one back, you

34:42

know, get behind the team. All of

34:44

those are completely bad criticisms, but you

34:47

don't sack the away fans. The away

34:49

fans aren't on the hook for their

34:51

behavior in the same way that the

34:53

coaches, right? And so it's a it's

34:56

a null comparison. That's it. I've been

34:58

seeing people say, you know, it's right

35:00

that Angie is having a go back

35:03

at the fans. Their behavior has been

35:05

shitty and toxic in toxic and toxic

35:07

and I think, or even if you

35:09

think that, he needs to own that

35:12

in the press conference. Well, exactly. Yeah.

35:14

But I think the wider point about

35:16

our fans is there has been some

35:18

shitty behavior on a very small scale

35:21

from a minority of fans. The vast

35:23

majority of match-coming fans, I think, have

35:25

been unbelievably supportive to Spurs this year

35:27

through an... absolutely horrid year. This season

35:30

has been almost historically bad. This I

35:32

completely agree with. The atmosphere at the

35:34

home games and I went to did

35:36

one away game villa has been relatively

35:39

positive considering we've lost 20 something games.

35:41

So it's like what under towards the

35:43

end of Conte it was far worse

35:46

the atmosphere around the club was far

35:48

worse than it is now. Yeah. Yeah,

35:50

I just wanted to make that point

35:52

that there's been a lot of patience.

35:55

That doesn't obviously mean that we should

35:57

overlook some of the bad fan behavior.

35:59

As Nathan points out, we had an

36:01

email a couple of weeks ago about

36:04

some racist chanting in the... I mean,

36:06

that is unequivocally despicable and needs to

36:08

be called out wherever it can be

36:10

called out. But I think Ang almost

36:13

undermines that by conflating these two issues

36:15

and yeah, just needed to own it

36:17

in the moment and it does speak

36:20

of head loss. But, you know, I

36:22

imagine If I know that we've been

36:24

talking to Iriola's people, then Ang knows

36:26

we've been talking to Iriola's people, and

36:29

I imagine that must absolutely fucking

36:31

suck. How do you know?

36:33

Who told you? I've been

36:35

told some things. What did

36:37

mean? To know your bosses

36:39

are looking for the next

36:42

guy must be. Yeah, man.

36:44

Awful, awful. And so no

36:46

wonder he's feeling the pressure.

36:48

No, like we've had... Dreadful

36:50

season, he knows on the

36:52

way out unless he wins

36:54

the Europa League. It's completely

36:57

reasonable for him to be

36:59

feeling that. But don't take

37:01

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37:03

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37:05

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38:35

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38:37

fast good time to wear an AG1

38:39

hat as well it's very sunny outside

38:42

look after yourself in the sun nice

38:44

Nathan you've been busy making videos about

38:46

potential new coaches? Yeah, yeah, rather than

38:49

just fantasy casting my own thoughts, I've

38:51

been getting stuck into the coaches that

38:53

were actually linked to. So I did

38:56

Iriola and I did Marco Silver and

38:58

I think hopefully this week I will

39:00

be doing my Thomas Frank whistle stop.

39:02

What hour and a half? The thing

39:05

is that I still think that like

39:07

there's still so much more to say

39:09

on a coach after you've watched their

39:12

football and talked about it extensively for

39:14

an hour and a half. So yeah.

39:16

Did you feel like you learned much?

39:18

The thing is, in the case of

39:21

all three, I didn't learn much about

39:23

Marco Silver. I already was quite happy

39:25

on my read, Marko Silver. I learned

39:28

a little bit in the process and

39:30

I've learned a lot about Thomas Frank

39:32

over the last few days, which I'm,

39:35

yeah, I'm ready to present on what

39:37

my my learnings on Thomas Frank. That's

39:39

that, he was more of the mystery

39:41

box coach for me. I learned a

39:44

bit in the process, I think, yeah.

39:46

I kind of, I made myself. to

39:48

take the Iriolian concepts very seriously, which

39:51

I've not done before. So yeah. Yeah,

39:53

and we really really got into some

39:55

of the concepts on Iriola rather than

39:58

just talking about saying what we see.

40:00

Who's Macameleon? Which one is it? None

40:02

of these guys are Cameleons. And we

40:04

had a question about, isn't Marko Silver,

40:07

Cameleon, but he's not, he just plays

40:09

the same style. I already talked about

40:11

it before, so I'm not giving away

40:14

the video, I don't think on Marcus

40:16

Silver. played a different way. I disagree.

40:18

I disagree. I disagree. I think I

40:20

see his Fulham side as being a

40:23

possession side. I don't know if that's

40:25

actually bearing out in the numbers. Give

40:27

me one second. Let's have a look.

40:30

Yeah, Fulham not averaging 52.2% position this

40:32

season. I'm not surprised by that at

40:34

all. Yeah, I see them as a

40:37

side who'd like to keep the ball.

40:39

Well, I'm not mass and they press

40:41

high to get the ball back. They

40:43

do. They do. As soon as well.

40:46

and they can be quite malleable in

40:48

how they press they can drop off

40:50

if they're playing a certain opponent they

40:53

can surrender the you know if the

40:55

foot if the immediate press doesn't work

40:57

they can drop off into a more

41:00

of a medium block there's some there's

41:02

some good smart stuff going on off

41:04

the ball for them but they're a

41:06

possession side a lot of that possession

41:09

side a lot of that possession is

41:11

one center back passing to the full

41:13

back he passes to the center back

41:16

he passes to the crosses it in

41:18

and then they win the second ball

41:20

and they go through that entire process

41:22

over again. And they're going to send

41:25

it back, they can ping it as

41:27

well. Yeah, yeah, and they occasionally mix

41:29

it up with a little die, that's

41:32

cool. But the final third game is

41:34

just crossing it into a big ladder

41:36

winning the second ball and doing it

41:39

again. And it's fine. It's totally legitimate.

41:41

It's totally functional. It's got for them

41:43

up to eight. And that's good, that's

41:45

good. Fulham have been relegated. They've been

41:48

a championship team more often than they've

41:50

not in recent years, right? I'm not

41:52

saying he's not doing a decent job.

41:55

I'm not even saying that it wouldn't

41:57

be fine at Spurs. I just think

41:59

like, and that kind of goes across

42:01

the board for... a lot of the

42:04

coaches that we'd be in LinkedIn. I

42:06

know that right now, we are sat

42:08

in, I actually don't know where we're

42:11

sat in, somewhere between 11th and 16th,

42:13

it changes so much game to game,

42:15

I'm not used to being this far

42:18

down at the end of the table,

42:20

right? We're way down there in the

42:22

misery spots, and that's bad. I'm saying

42:24

that's bad, but I just think, if

42:27

you're gonna be the fucking ninth. richest

42:29

team in the world if you're going

42:31

to be a London club with a

42:34

massive stadium if you're going to have

42:36

one of the best academies in the

42:38

world if you're going to recruit some

42:41

of the best young tenants in the

42:43

world if you're not aspiring if you're

42:45

not aspiring to play good dominant attacking

42:47

attractive football at least the majority of

42:50

the time then what the fuck are

42:52

you doing in defense of of silver

42:54

like you know he's got He's got

42:57

a striker with a fractured skull. He's

42:59

got a Damatura. Andreas Pereira, you know,

43:01

a woebe, William who... should have retired

43:03

10 years ago and I'm not pro

43:06

silver but I do think you've been

43:08

a little bit harsh on someone who's

43:10

taken absolute trash from across the Premier

43:13

League and put it together and done

43:15

something quite impressive. I totally recognize that.

43:17

I totally know I absolutely think you're

43:20

right I think he's done really really

43:22

good work. I just think that what

43:24

that work is tactically doesn't appeal to

43:26

me just doesn't move me. Yeah. So

43:29

I think there's two things that we

43:31

have to decide between here and those

43:33

things are... Do we opt for a

43:36

manager who has a... Do we opt

43:38

for a manager who has played an

43:40

attacking, enjoyable brand of football in a

43:43

lesser league and hope that they can

43:45

make the transition to a more challenging

43:47

league as we have just done? Or

43:49

do we go for a manager who

43:52

has done extremely well overperformed in the

43:54

Premier League and hope that they can

43:56

transition with a higher quality of squad

43:59

and develop as a manager? in a

44:01

different way. Personally, go on. Personally, as

44:03

like, my position on this podcast is

44:05

quite often man of the people, guy

44:08

in the mud. I don't think, I

44:10

don't think we can sell to the

44:12

mass Tottenham audience another. concept. I just,

44:15

I don't think we have the appetite

44:17

for it. I don't think we have

44:19

the appetite to go abroad and pick

44:22

up a manager that's done some really

44:24

impressive stuff and looks really good that

44:26

hasn't cut his teeth in a in

44:28

a top division and like really showing

44:31

himself over a number of period of

44:33

years. I just, we will run out

44:35

of patience really quick. I mean, we

44:38

were very patient with Postacogle because it

44:40

came... post-conte so I don't

44:42

think I don't think we will

44:44

give two years I don't think

44:46

we'll give 12 months to a

44:48

manager a project manager I just

44:50

I just don't feel it. You've

44:52

posed me a question I hate

44:54

Wendy because you are forcing me

44:56

to to you know ignore the

44:58

dilemma and and find the middle

45:01

ground and I really dislike middle

45:03

ground arguments because I think they're

45:05

bullshit most of the time but

45:07

there are coaches in... There's a

45:09

couple of coaches in legal. There's

45:11

two, there's maybe three coaches in

45:13

the league. There's honours at Bundesliga

45:15

who we talked about before. There's

45:17

one, there might be two in

45:19

the championship. So top five leagues

45:22

we talked about and the championship

45:24

who play. attacking structured possession football

45:26

or at least I think might

45:28

play that football and I need

45:30

to do more work and make

45:32

into it. Who are from the

45:34

top five leagues in the championship?

45:37

Guys aren't experienced enough to discount

45:39

them. They're still a handful and

45:41

again I'll accept that it's not the strongest

45:43

summer that it has been for coaches. We're

45:45

kind of in a weird spot where a

45:47

lot of them have moved up already. We

45:49

take the example of Herzler moving to Brighton

45:52

off the back of getting promoted from the

45:54

Second Bundesliga, right? It kind of shows the

45:56

shape of the market, but there are still

45:58

a handful of decent options. out there where

46:00

you can say not only do they

46:02

have top five league experience but they

46:05

play the right kind of football. So

46:07

I don't think we have to choose

46:09

between those two options. Again I think

46:11

that hiring Ang was the right decision

46:13

on the information that was available at

46:15

the time and it's not panned out.

46:18

And the thing with that is it's

46:20

not panned out because of the details

46:22

and I know I made this point

46:24

a little while before but people really

46:26

want to have this like big. conversation

46:28

about the way that Tottenham should play

46:31

off the back of things not working

46:33

out with pasta cagloo and say well

46:35

he played attack and football and so

46:37

that didn't work and so Spurs can't

46:39

play attack and football and I just

46:42

think that's nonsense yeah what matters is

46:44

in the details here it's not pressing

46:46

it's yeah it's not matters is in

46:48

the details here it's it's not pressing

46:50

that's wrong right we should be a

46:52

team who want to press it's just

46:55

we had a tendency to structure the

46:57

press wrong and end up over committing

46:59

and end up over committing and end

47:01

up over self-assumption. And so that kind

47:03

of does apply. The idea of wanting

47:05

to have more than half the ball

47:08

most of the time, the idea of

47:10

wanting to attack in numbers, the idea

47:12

of wanting to play fast and take

47:14

risks, just because Poster Cogli did those

47:16

things and Poster Cogli hasn't worked out,

47:18

doesn't mean that those things are wrong.

47:21

And again, if we're gonna be the

47:23

ninth richest club in the world, etc,

47:25

etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, we

47:27

should be trying to play. failing to

47:29

build the ball up in central areas

47:31

recently and that's to deal with structures

47:34

and profiles and and probably confidence and

47:36

cohesion too but the very and I

47:38

believe it also believe in the system

47:40

yeah absolutely right so so it What

47:42

matters is the details, not the ideas

47:44

of playing front-footed football? I don't disagree

47:47

with any of that, and I think

47:49

that is where the interview process needs

47:51

to come into its own, where we

47:53

need to ask these types of questions

47:55

of all the prospective coaches that we

47:58

want to talk to. Okay, so, you

48:00

know, talk to Marco Silver. We like

48:02

your out-of-possession game a lot. We think

48:04

you have a very strong out of

48:06

possession philosophy. In possession, we want to

48:08

understand what your plans would be with

48:11

the squad we got here and how

48:13

you would create chances. Because we don't

48:15

want you to spam crosses into a

48:17

big man. There's no big man. Rashadans

48:19

go into Saudi or whatever. Selangi's, you

48:21

know, not always in the box. Yeah,

48:24

he's all right at that, but we

48:26

want him to ball to feet. How

48:28

are you going to get the ball

48:30

to Selangi's feet? That's where those kind

48:32

of conversations need to be had to

48:34

be hard, I think. and then interview

48:37

some of the guys from the the

48:39

top five leagues that you've you know

48:41

referenced as well. how are you going

48:43

to adapt to the Premier League? And

48:45

that is the job of Lange and

48:47

his team to do that work. And

48:50

I hope that they do it thoroughly

48:52

and fingers cross this time I do

48:54

it successfully. And you said something at

48:56

the start of the podcast this time

48:58

I do it successfully. And Nathan, you

49:00

said something at the start of the

49:03

podcast that interests me and we got

49:05

this question from Joseph Gilby who said

49:07

14th in the league, 16 Premier League

49:09

losses out of domestic cups, players not

49:11

playing for him, turning on his resolute.

49:13

Does Ang Postokogalu have an Epstein-esque dossier

49:16

on Levy that he's black-meaning him with

49:18

to stay in his job? Let's not

49:20

forget this is the same Levy who

49:22

sat serial winner Jose Marino a week

49:24

before a cup final. Nathan, you said,

49:27

you've come to the end of line

49:29

with Ang now. Yeah, yeah, because of

49:31

the Chelsea game, basically, because, you know,

49:33

we started getting plays back a few

49:35

weeks ago, obviously there was an international

49:37

break, and I said... I mean at

49:40

the time I said oh you got

49:42

to turn things around immediately because we're

49:44

playing against our Z and yeah we

49:46

kind of did the second thing against

49:48

our Z was decent but I wanted

49:50

to see more evolution you've got your

49:53

players back now let's get back to

49:55

to play in good possession football to

49:57

playing through the lines working the ball

49:59

centrally combining having having good structures finding

50:01

other players being able to access the

50:03

other side of the pitch through the

50:06

middle of the park and and we

50:08

just didn't see that against Chelsea. Again,

50:10

players are just continually drifting wider and

50:12

wider and deeper and deeper to get

50:14

on the ball to the point where

50:16

you're accidentally playing. with Marco Silverball without

50:19

the cross into the big man at

50:21

the end of it, right? And so

50:23

I just needed to see more against

50:25

Chelsea. And to be fair, there was

50:27

like a 15 minute, there was a

50:29

15 minute spell in the second half,

50:32

right, where it was like, oh, okay,

50:34

we're actually playing a little closer together

50:36

here and players are staying in the

50:38

channels and waiting for the ball to

50:40

come here. Oh, Chelsea, you know, never

50:42

mind, the games falling. Frankfurt apart and

50:45

I'm like oh okay maybe there's something

50:47

here I just I just don't feel

50:49

that way. Yeah I just I just

50:51

don't see things getting glued back together

50:53

here and and like I said what

50:56

matters is not the bigger concepts at

50:58

play but in the details and the

51:00

details just haven't seen any improvement or

51:02

resolution with with players coming back. Also

51:04

we're just not that lucky. We're not

51:06

that lucky that you like Chelsea won

51:09

a Champions League with Dimater. Yeah, they

51:11

jammed it through Barcelona and they jammed

51:13

it through by a munican. My experience

51:15

of watching spares for four decades is

51:17

like we've never been that lucky and

51:19

I don't see us jamming it all

51:22

the way to the final. We will

51:24

come on stuck at some point by

51:26

the second guy at the back post.

51:28

The most depressing way of going out

51:30

of this Europa League would be to

51:32

be battered at home so that the

51:35

second game is utterly meaningless and therefore

51:37

the entire rest of the season is

51:39

meaningless. And I can't say that I

51:41

feel totally... confident that that won't happen

51:43

and that's a very depressing place to

51:45

be. I said that I would have...

51:48

fired Ang in January when we were

51:50

still in all the competitions and given

51:52

a new coach the transfer window and

51:54

the argument that everyone made was no

51:56

he's got us here he deserves to

51:58

be given a chance in all the

52:01

competitions and I kept making that point

52:03

repeatedly I said in the discord I'd

52:05

rather someone else at this point be

52:07

given the Europa League knockout matches because

52:09

I don't have faith that Ang can

52:11

get us through them and he's got

52:14

us to this point but honestly I'd

52:16

rather have a new manage a bounce

52:18

or just some fresh vibes going to

52:20

this game. I have no confidence at

52:22

all that we can get through on

52:25

track Frankfurt. Right, but then what happens

52:27

next season? Who can you bring in

52:29

now to help us against Frankfurt was

52:31

also going to help us in in

52:33

two years time? Like I would take

52:35

Marco Silver to see the season out,

52:38

but then I would want a new

52:40

coach in the summer again. So I

52:42

don't I don't see a, and I

52:44

just, you know, Marino. probably could have

52:46

kept his job to the summer if

52:48

he kept his mouth sharp. Conti would

52:51

have kept his job to the summer

52:53

if he didn't have attention. And that's

52:55

why Antis keeping his job. And I,

52:57

oh, okay, I guess keeping the dressing

52:59

room is the other part. They haven't

53:01

caused a player revolt. He hasn't caused

53:04

a player revolt. Marino and Conti did.

53:06

That's why he's still in the job,

53:08

right? And that's why he'll get to

53:10

get to. He'll have to. to the

53:12

summer. That's it. So to go to

53:14

Vipa CFK's question at the top of

53:17

the pod, we've utterly failed to hype

53:19

up the Frankfurt game. So Vipa CFK

53:21

needs a new show to stream. What

53:23

have you watched recently that you enjoyed?

53:25

Aya. There's this George R. Martin short

53:27

story that I really like, sci-fi, horror

53:30

short story called Night Flyers, and they

53:32

made a show of it a couple

53:34

years back, and he got really bad

53:36

reviews, and so I didn't watch it

53:38

while it was available on Netflix. And

53:41

then I sort of run out of

53:43

shows to watch recently. So I've been

53:45

watching Night Flies and it's fine. It's

53:47

completely fine. Maybe it ends terribly at

53:49

the end of the season because they

53:51

ain't reached the end of the season.

53:54

But it's done a decent job so

53:56

far, reflecting what I think is an

53:58

excellent, excellent short story. So good luck

54:00

finding it, because it's like with all

54:02

these things now, because you can't own

54:04

anything, you can't own a DVD, you

54:07

rent something to watch it. And then

54:09

when they decides that you can't rent

54:11

it anymore because it's flots, it's just

54:13

eviscerated from reality from reality. in like

54:15

that. Wendy you you recommended silo. I

54:17

enjoyed what watch the silo. Yeah, silo

54:20

is great. I need to get back

54:22

on that. I think we're so the

54:24

stage around with our daughter it's so

54:26

difficult to sit down and watch any

54:28

proper TV. She's not quite there with

54:30

the baby monitor thing like leaving it

54:33

by herself and just going down and

54:35

watching telly. And also my wife's so

54:37

naked, she's like, I'm just going to

54:39

go to sleep when the baby does.

54:41

So we don't really have time to

54:43

sit and watch drama. So we're kind

54:46

of grabbing 15 minutes of TV shows

54:48

here and there at the moment and

54:50

so I don't want to start anything

54:52

or get back into anything to thoughts

54:54

that requires you to actually see and

54:56

watch it. Having said that. We've had

54:59

to do that with severance because of

55:01

the risk of spoilers. I just love

55:03

severance so much. It is, I think

55:05

it's top three best things I've ever

55:07

watched. Wow. It's just so up my

55:10

street, so well acted, I love the

55:12

direction. There's a couple of episodes in

55:14

particular where I thought the direction was

55:16

incredible. Yeah, it's really special. So I

55:18

haven't watched any severance yet. I'm going

55:20

to be watching it. I'm going to

55:23

be watching it. and then she gets

55:25

to pick to watch euphoria, a season

55:27

of that next, and then I'll get

55:29

to pick to watch the first season

55:31

of severance, and then we'll have to

55:33

go back to Soprano, right? So I'm

55:36

way behind, and obviously I picked up

55:38

some spoilers. Because I see spoilers, because

55:40

I see spoilers that are like, this

55:42

name is actually something with this name.

55:44

I'm like, that will completely wash over

55:46

me, which is actually a blessing, it's

55:49

really. good concept. Yeah, there's a lot

55:51

of interesting moral dilemmas that are going

55:53

on throughout severance. Okay. In a whole

55:55

bunch of ways. I've been watching like

55:57

everyone else, I finished adolescence yesterday, which

55:59

was a tough watch, but really good.

56:02

Really, really nice. Lovey. Stephen Graham. He

56:04

is incredible. I also enjoyed Stephen Graham

56:06

in a thousand blows as well, which

56:08

is his boxing. thing on Disney. When

56:10

I've watched those with my wife, what

56:12

I've watched by myself is Wheeler Time

56:15

because that's just way too sci-fi for

56:17

her. It's new seasons out on that.

56:19

And despite the bad criticisms, I've been

56:21

enjoying White Lotus. It's been pretty good.

56:23

It's very, it looks a hell of

56:25

a lot better these days than it

56:28

actually is, but it's always a compelling

56:30

watch. Tell me about Thousand Blows? It's

56:32

a set in the East end of

56:34

London, proper boxing. So it was like

56:36

the transition from bare knuckle fighting into

56:39

like, yeah proper boxing. And those two

56:41

worlds collided. And Steven Graham is in

56:43

it. He's kind of still holding the

56:45

muscle in adolescence. You can see that

56:47

he just put on the shitload of

56:49

muscle for that show. And he's great

56:52

in it as well. And there's another

56:54

character from adolescence is also in a

56:56

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