Episode Transcript
Transcripts are displayed as originally observed. Some content, including advertisements may have changed.
Use Ctrl + F to search
0:00
The frontline dispatch is made possible
0:02
by the Abrams Foundation, committed to
0:04
excellence in journalism. and by
0:06
the Frontline Journalism Fund, with
0:08
major support from John and
0:10
support from John and Joanne Hagler. David of cell range
0:12
and helping a friend out of cell range, he
0:14
heard what had happened in Gah-Amoos, when he name.
0:17
said there's been a shooting in I said
0:19
what do you mean there's been a
0:21
there's been a mass shooting in Maine. been a
0:23
said to him in Maine. Well, I need to
0:25
get home. need I knew my phone would
0:27
be ringing. I knew that I knew I
0:29
needed to get back. Trahan leads the Sportsmen's Alliance
0:31
of Maine, or Sam. We the hear
0:34
Alliance of Maine, or
0:36
SAM. of the We
0:38
often hear about the power and influence
0:40
of the National Rifle Association in Maine, the
0:42
debate over guns. is uniquely gun
0:44
politics is uniquely local. the
0:46
state's long influenced the state's
0:49
approach to gun laws, regardless
0:51
of whether Democrats or Republicans
0:53
are in control. power comes power
0:55
comes from the state's culture of hunting
0:57
and fishing. fishing. in a firm belief Mainers
0:59
know how to handle their firearms.
1:02
There's a a culture there
1:04
that supports gun rights rights, and
1:06
politically, it it translates into how
1:08
people vote. half Nearly half
1:10
of main households own a firearm. year
1:12
Yet the year before there were there
1:14
were fewer than two dozen gun
1:16
-related homicides. But But after
1:18
Lewiston, that that sense of security was
1:20
withering. The The calls for gun
1:22
law reform came swiftly. and
1:25
Trahan changes were coming. coming.
1:27
Just four years earlier. He had
1:29
worked with Governor Janet Mills, a Mills, a
1:31
to craft a gun a that's unlike any other
1:34
in the country. other in the country.
1:36
Lawmakers fashioned the yellow flag law
1:38
in a way that would not upset
1:40
main gun owners. owners. While it provided
1:42
police a way to confiscate guns
1:44
if a judge decided someone was dangerous,
1:46
someone the process was neither quick nor
1:48
simple. quick it prioritized due
1:50
process over over speed. And lawmakers
1:52
here talked about it
1:54
as a transformative main solution
1:56
to American gun violence.
1:58
I believe with... all heart. that
2:01
this this bill will save lives. I think
2:03
this could become model legislation for
2:05
the rest of the state. the state.
2:07
Now, after the after the shootings,
2:09
the law was under a microscope. Groban,
2:12
a former a former federal prosecutor
2:15
with the a gun safety
2:17
coalition coalition, thought the law was a
2:19
decent compromise. but she came
2:21
to see it as deeply flawed. as deeply flawed.
2:23
I realize it was such a
2:25
missed opportunity. And that
2:27
the reason no other
2:29
state has followed yellow is because
2:31
because inadequate. inadequate. all those despite
2:33
all those warning signs we heard about
2:35
in earlier episodes, used the law wasn't
2:38
used to stop the there were even
2:40
though there were concerns that he had
2:42
been diagnosed with psychosis and was was making
2:44
threats. Trahan knew this as he knew this as he
2:46
tried to get an audience with the governor, and in
2:48
And in the coming weeks and
2:50
months, he and Maine's political leaders
2:52
would help shift the focus away
2:54
from the law's overall effectiveness and
2:56
toward the people who failed to
2:58
use it. who failed He says it. also
3:00
helped shape the shape modest response
3:02
to response to preserving Sam's standing as
3:04
a dominant power in the Maine
3:06
gun debate. in the main gun debate. In
3:08
In this episode, going going to trace
3:11
the rise and influence of a
3:13
gun rights group that was created
3:15
by the by to a TV a
3:17
program. program. We'll meet a former
3:19
Philadelphia cop cop. who tried in vain
3:21
to challenge the gun rights political
3:23
machine in Maine and will explain
3:25
why, even after the worst mass
3:27
shooting in state history, after law reform
3:29
has made notable in incremental progress. law
3:31
From main public radio, the
3:34
Portland Press Herald and frontline
3:36
PBS, this is Maine and
3:38
I'm Steve M - the Portland Press Herald,
3:40
controlled it PBS,
3:43
this is breakdown, and I'm
3:45
Steve Misler. Episode at
3:47
a young age it all. I grew up here
3:49
in up here in Maine. I
3:52
don't really have any experience
3:54
with hunting. hunting. I'm from Yarmouth,
3:56
Maine, and I'm just a
3:58
student. I live in... South Carolina.
4:01
and I and I have never held
4:03
a gun before. These kids ages 10
4:05
to 14 are attending the Bryant
4:07
These kids, ages 10 to 14,
4:09
are attending the Bryant foothills of White Mountains in
4:11
It's near the foothills of the
4:13
White Mountains in Western Maine. some form
4:15
This camp has been around in
4:17
some form for more than 50
4:19
years. Maine This is where parents
4:21
from Maine and other states send
4:24
their kids to get a hands -on
4:26
education about nature conservation, hunting,
4:28
and gun safety. The camp is
4:30
The camp is run by
4:32
the University of Maine Cooperative
4:34
Extension and instructors from the state
4:36
the State Inland Fisheries and here for
4:38
the firearms training. for the firearms
4:41
The kids and instructors are
4:43
assembled beneath a sheltered rifle
4:45
range, a with paper targets range with
4:47
paper targets downrange. Instructors Ronald Ronald Fournier, Gary
4:50
Prue, and Nichols Nichols unpacked a
4:52
series of of 22 rifles that
4:54
the kids will soon shoot. shoot.
4:56
many of them for the first time.
4:59
time. So moving a rifle, this
5:01
is a a basic 22 caliber rim fire, bolt action
5:03
gun, like the guns were going the guns were
5:05
going to be firing today. Nichols
5:07
goes over a goes over a detailed
5:09
list of instructions, to how to hold
5:11
their guns safely when not
5:13
shooting, how to determine their dominant
5:15
eye for aiming, and how to
5:17
operate different types of guns. types of
5:20
If you don't know what
5:22
the gun is, before somebody hands
5:24
it to you, what do you
5:26
do? what do? Ask. Exactly. You say, you You
5:28
say, I'm know what? sure how I'm not
5:30
sure how this gun works. me the
5:32
Can you show me the that's a
5:34
And that's a legitimate question. After about
5:36
40 After about 40 minutes of
5:38
instruction, it's it's time for the kids
5:40
to pair up in teams and
5:42
start shooting. and start shooting. The range
5:44
is hot. You can see that
5:46
one boy is can see that one boy
5:48
is nervous. he At one point, he
5:50
huddles on the side with one of
5:52
the counselors, but he eventually rejoins the
5:54
other kids on the firing line. firing line. The
5:57
The four kids start slowly loading a
5:59
a single round. in shooting. Go ahead
6:01
and fire you a Go ahead,
6:03
fire your second to smile when you
6:05
shoot. The smiles do come smile when
6:07
you shoot. more The smiles
6:09
do come, and the
6:11
kids seem more confident, more
6:13
and their shots become more
6:15
frequent. kid, the nerves are And
6:17
that nervous kid he The
6:19
nerves are gone by the time he finishes shooting.
6:22
a His reward, a big high
6:24
instructor Gary Prue. like that. Nice job, man.
6:26
Killed it. man. Safety supervisor Ronald has been watching
6:28
the boy, too. too. And when he came
6:30
up here here even stepped on the range,
6:32
he said, I don't think I can
6:34
do this. said, I And he said, I'm
6:36
not sure I'm gonna shoot. I said,
6:38
well, you're in a safe place. shoot.
6:40
Very well you're in a we're gonna go through
6:42
everything again. supported, and we're going And he was
6:44
a lot fun to step off the
6:46
range. was the last one to step off the
6:49
range. As I'm talking I'm talking to begin to
6:51
I begin to worry how this class kids
6:53
these kids might be viewed in the
6:55
context of a heated debate about guns in
6:57
the U .S. in the US. I grew up around
6:59
guns and hunting and took a similar
7:01
class as a kid. a kid. So to me, the
7:03
me, the shooting instructions seemed wholesome
7:05
in a a way to illustrate
7:08
how many manners view guns as an
7:10
extension of their self -reliance and
7:12
independence. To me, it seemed
7:14
no different than a camp a someone learns
7:16
how to swim how some other life skill.
7:18
other life skill. but as someone who covers politics
7:20
for a living. for I also
7:22
knew that this class might be viewed
7:24
by some by some sort of indoctrination
7:26
exercise. I I don't mention this
7:28
to to but he seemed worried about
7:31
that that too. He He tells me that
7:33
these courses are not meant to convert
7:35
kids into future gun owners gun even hunters.
7:37
I'm a firm believer that every every person
7:39
in this in this country should have an
7:41
education on firearms. on It's like sex
7:43
and drugs. If we don't educate folks
7:45
on what could happen, on then we tend
7:47
to see negative things happening. And
7:49
if you educate somebody
7:52
if you demystify guns, and
7:54
they inherently gain a
7:56
respect a respect ethic an ethic.
7:58
that is, you know, it's crucial. was the
8:00
experience for for Sigurd a a Springs
8:02
resident in her mid in her
8:04
who was observing the instruction. the instruction.
8:07
a former vegetarian who wanted to start
8:09
eating meat. eating And part of
8:11
that decision was a commitment to getting local
8:13
meat and trying to source it myself.
8:15
And so hunting seemed so of a natural
8:17
fit. kind of a natural had to
8:19
overcome her nervousness around guns. around
8:22
ended up taking a similar class for
8:24
adults. class for And like the kids, the her
8:26
discomfort around guns fell away away. as she
8:28
learned how to use them. them. Now,
8:30
Sibley owns a 20 gauge shotgun
8:32
that she uses to hunt hunt I'd
8:35
like to try deer this fall.
8:37
fall. had a turkey season under
8:39
my belt. my belt. She has joined
8:41
a constituency of She has
8:43
joined a constituency of nearly 200
8:45
,000 licensed hunters in the state.
8:47
That constituency is not monolithic. is
8:50
part of a is part of a growing movement
8:52
in the state. People who want to
8:54
source their own food. own food. It's so
8:56
big that three years ago, voters
8:58
amended the state the state to
9:00
include a food sovereignty provision. sovereignty For
9:03
many others, hunting is for
9:05
sport, for camaraderie. for And for
9:07
some, it's some, its survival. in
9:09
Maine is especially bad in rural
9:11
areas, and hunting puts food on the
9:13
table. puts food on the table. Guns
9:15
are the common thread in this are
9:17
the common thread in this tapestry of interests.
9:20
And that's precisely what David Trayhan,
9:23
Sportsman's Alliance of Maine, or or Sam
9:25
aims to represent. Gun rights
9:27
are a are a pillar of Sam's advocacy.
9:29
but its but it's strength on that front. arguably
9:32
comes from its understanding
9:34
of Maine's cultural identity and
9:36
traditions. and traditions. To that end,
9:38
Trahan, a a former logger and Republican
9:40
state legislator. is
9:42
a convincing spokesperson. spokesperson. Listen to
9:45
him talk about his first rifle. his first rifle, a
9:47
35 that he bought as a teenager.
9:49
a teenager. could not buy that gun
9:51
for me. me. I I have carried it
9:53
for I'm now 61 years old. carried carried
9:55
it my entire adult life hunting, some of
9:57
Some of the best memories I have
9:59
hunt. are contain that rifle. And the
10:02
same is true of all the
10:04
other guns that I own. Guns
10:06
that were gifted by friends and
10:08
loved ones. Those firearms don't represent
10:10
violence to me. They're like a
10:12
family airroom that has been passed
10:14
on to me. In this he
10:17
says, is the relationship that the
10:19
gun control side totally misses. When
10:21
you try to depict all firearms
10:23
as evil, as killing as... You're
10:26
missing the boat here. A lot of
10:28
those firearms mean something to people. And
10:31
when you come to take them, people
10:33
are going to defend their right to
10:35
keep them. Gun control groups reject the
10:38
assertion that their goal is to confiscate
10:40
gun owners' cherished heirlooms. But Treyhan's message
10:42
still resonates, and not just with Republicans.
10:45
The old joke, how many guns do
10:47
you own? Well, more than I need,
10:49
but not as many as I want,
10:52
you know, and I fall into that
10:54
category. I've got guns I haven't used
10:56
in 20 years, but I keep them.
10:59
Matt Dunlap is Maine's former Secretary of
11:01
State, a former state legislator, and a
11:03
sportsman. He once served on Sam's board,
11:06
and briefly, as its executive director, right
11:08
before Trahan got the job 13 years
11:10
ago. He's also a Democrat. And this
11:13
is why Maine's gun culture has made
11:15
its politics here so different. The conventional
11:17
wisdom is that Democrats have avoided confronting
11:19
Sam in the gun rights movement because
11:22
they fear an electoral backlash. And there
11:24
seems to be some truth in that.
11:26
But Dunlap is a reminder that many
11:29
Democrats here also believe in the group's
11:31
cause. They view it as a sort
11:33
of shield against punitive gun control measures
11:36
pushed by activists who don't understand guns.
11:38
We'd hear about these mass shootings and
11:40
we kind of held our breath because
11:43
it hadn't happened here. And now it's
11:45
happened here. And it's changed with the
11:47
conversation a bit, but the frustration I
11:50
think a lot of sportsmen who care
11:52
about these issues feel is that
11:54
people who sort
11:57
of lunge at these
11:59
proposed solutions really
12:01
don't understand the technology
12:04
they're talking about. Gun
12:07
owners the often argue that
12:09
gun control activists don't understand the
12:11
weapons they want to regulate. or
12:13
their place in a hunting culture
12:15
that's also faced scrutiny. understand
12:17
the weapons they want
12:20
to regulate or their place
12:22
in a hunting 1975
12:24
faced p .m. CBS
12:27
News broadcast a graphic 90 minute
12:29
documentary about hunting in America. in
12:32
America called The Guns of with
12:34
cameras and tape and tape recorders
12:37
close up, the annual hunting
12:39
of black hunting of Michigan dump. at
12:41
a Michigan dump. CBS said
12:43
CBS said the documentary purely
12:45
and simply a broadcast about
12:47
hunting. hunting, but that's not how many
12:49
hunters viewed it. viewed They saw it as an
12:51
attack on their way of life. of life. The
12:53
The network received thousands of angry
12:55
phone calls, and tens of
12:58
thousands of letters and postcards flooded
13:00
the CBS the CBS mailroom. And in
13:02
Maine, where there have been attempts
13:04
to ban hunting moose moose and bear baiting,
13:06
the organized. The The
13:08
Sportsman's Alliance of Maine or Sam was born out
13:10
of out of the backlash to
13:12
the documentary. Within a few a
13:14
few years, the National Rifle
13:17
Association was making a hard pivot
13:19
from its origins as a marksmanship
13:21
and safety organization to an unbending
13:23
defender of the Second Amendment. the
13:26
Second Amendment. Sam, meanwhile,
13:28
has has rooted itself more firmly
13:30
in Maine's hunting and outdoors
13:32
traditions. and outdoors fighting as hard
13:34
for land conservation as as it
13:36
does against gun control. as
13:38
it does against is especially
13:40
proud of the group's 100 is
13:43
education facility. of the just a
13:45
few miles from the
13:47
education have just a few miles
13:49
fishing. state We have miles
13:51
of trails, a shooting
13:54
range, fishing. Trapp, we have
13:56
dedicated areas to to trapper
13:58
our education yesterday. They held an
14:01
archery ethics course here, literally
14:03
3D targeting in the woods
14:05
with mapping GPS. Sam doesn't
14:07
always publicly take the same
14:09
positions as the NRA, but
14:11
it has adopted some of
14:13
the group's tactics. As Dunlap
14:15
notes, its candidate endorsements are
14:17
coveted in the main statehouse.
14:19
You know, when you're a
14:21
candidate for the legislature and
14:23
people don't know who you
14:25
are, if you've been endorsed,
14:27
for election by the Sportsmen's
14:29
Alliance domain and the National
14:31
Rifle Association, those sportsmen who
14:33
do not belong to those
14:35
organizations will still look at
14:37
that and say, hey, that
14:39
guy's good on my issue
14:41
and I'm going to support
14:43
them because of that. Sam's
14:45
influence stems from cultural association,
14:47
not political donations. Since 2013,
14:49
its political action committee has
14:51
only spent a little more
14:53
than $30,000 on advertising and
14:55
other materials to influence elections,
14:57
according to Maine Ethics Commission
14:59
data. Trahan also says Sam's
15:01
power exceeds its roughly 8,000
15:03
members. In its reach goes
15:05
further because of its connection
15:07
to Maine's abundant fish and
15:09
game clubs. More than 50
15:11
are part of the group's
15:13
coalition. Trahan says it's that
15:15
network of allies that gives
15:17
his organization influence with policymakers.
15:19
We're viewed as probably one
15:21
of the top strongest political
15:23
entities in the state. And
15:25
he's right. Sam has notched
15:27
a series of big political
15:29
victories. After a notable increase
15:31
in gun-related crimes in the
15:33
late 1980s, there were calls
15:35
for tougher restrictions on firearms,
15:37
but it also sparked a
15:39
counter-reaction from gun rights advocates.
15:41
And that's when Sam got
15:43
one of its first major
15:45
wins, with a big assist,
15:47
from a legend in Maine politics.
15:50
I can't tell you how many guns
15:52
I have, but I don't remember. For
15:54
nearly 20 years, from 1975 to 1994,
15:56
John Martin... Martin the the
15:59
of the of the of
16:01
Representatives. of And
16:03
during that time, he helped set
16:05
the legislative agenda for the agenda for
16:08
the state. a renowned parliamentarian who
16:10
ruled the main house with an iron
16:12
fist. with an iron also a
16:14
pro a pro-gun Democrat. And in 1986, a
16:16
state Supreme Court Court ruling gave him
16:18
a chance to strengthen Maynard's
16:20
gun rights. It confirmed confirmed that
16:22
while the bear bear arms was
16:24
protected under the the main it
16:26
it absolute. absolute. the state
16:28
could still impose some
16:30
restrictions. restrictions. and Martin worried worried the could
16:32
go even further. They really didn't
16:35
make a decision. a decision. was
16:37
a clear cut, but it became it
16:39
to me clear to me that at some some
16:41
point Court Court is going to rule.
16:43
against the the ability to
16:46
carry guns Maine. That was my was
16:48
my concern. that the time, that
16:50
section of the read, every Every
16:53
citizen has a right to keep and
16:55
bear arms for the common defense. defense. and
16:57
this shall never be questioned. Martin
17:00
was concerned about these four words.
17:02
words, for the common defense. So
17:04
in 1987, he 1987, bill he
17:07
drafted a bill that removed
17:09
them from the state constitution. Former
17:11
Democratic state Senator
17:13
John Tuttle read the Read the
17:15
revised version. during a a brief
17:17
debate in June of 1987. Every
17:19
citizen has a right to keep
17:21
and bear arms, and that right right.
17:23
never be questioned. the It sailed
17:25
through the was and was ratified by
17:27
main voters. by the end of by the
17:29
end of the would Sam would further
17:31
assert itself during a showdown with a
17:33
new sheriff in town. or in or in
17:35
this case, a a new police chief in
17:37
Maine's largest city. It's gonna sound kind of weird
17:39
to do this, but if you could just
17:41
say your name. but if you could what
17:44
you used to do
17:46
here in Maine. used to
17:48
do here in Maine. Michael Chitwood, C-H-I-T-W-O-O-O date.
17:50
And from August, I
17:52
believe, of 1988 August August
17:55
of 2005, of I
17:57
was the chief of
17:59
police Portland. Police Department. Michael Chitwood is now
18:01
80 years old, retired in Florida, and still
18:03
taking phone calls from reporters. He arrived in
18:05
Portland as one of the most decorated cops
18:08
in Philadelphia history. He was brash and charismatic,
18:10
and he gave great sound bites. The press
18:12
here dubbed him Media Mike. I used the
18:14
buzzword for bayers of death, but they're murderers.
18:16
They're animals. There's no other way to describe
18:18
it. It's a bum, he's a scumbag, he's
18:20
a dirtball, whatever you want to say. Chitwood's
18:22
swashbuckling approach to crime fighting made him an
18:25
instant celebrity, but his quest for gun control
18:27
quickly put him at odds with pro-gun house
18:29
speaker John Martin in the Sportsman's Alliance of
18:31
Maine and the NRA. I shouldn't learn him
18:33
to do that. They, in fact, were as
18:35
powerful as they are, and they controlled it
18:37
all. The stage was set for conflict as
18:40
soon as Chitwood walked into his new office
18:42
and noticed a foot-high stack of folders on
18:44
his desk. In fact, when I looked at
18:46
the pile, what the fuck is this? He
18:48
says his secretary explained that they were concealed
18:50
weapons permits for him to sign. So I
18:52
started to look through them, and I noticed
18:55
that there was no... background check, no check
18:57
at anything else, and they wanted me to
18:59
sign it. Yeah, back in Philly, you didn't
19:01
get a permit to carry a hidden gun
19:03
without a background check, but things were different
19:05
in Maine. There's no check. No check to
19:07
see if they're mentally ill, the check to
19:10
see if they're domestic violence abusers. Oh, nothing.
19:12
The conflict with gun rights groups intensified when
19:14
he continued to make a public case for
19:16
gun control and escalated further when he began
19:18
using a Portland local ordinance to crack down
19:20
on gun owners. They went absolutely later,
19:22
the legislature, with the
19:25
help of Speaker Martin,
19:27
enacted a sweeping law
19:29
that nullified all main
19:31
municipal gun ordinances, including
19:33
those with waiting periods.
19:35
But Chittwood continued to
19:37
find traction in the
19:39
media as he pushed
19:42
for gun reform. Martin
19:44
responded by creating a
19:46
special public safety commission,
19:48
and he invited the
19:50
police chief to join
19:52
it. The panel was
19:54
stacked with pro -gun
19:57
legislators. Six of them
19:59
were endorsed by Sam,
20:01
and some received campaign
20:03
cash from the NRA,
20:05
according to an investigative
20:07
news report at the
20:09
time. Personally, I think
20:12
that John Martin was
20:14
just trying to play
20:16
keep me by by
20:18
putting me on that
20:20
commission. It meant nothing.
20:22
Believe me, it meant
20:24
nothing. Because nothing came
20:27
out of it, right?
20:29
No, no, no, nothing
20:31
came out of it.
20:33
It was all it
20:35
was all bullshit. Excuse
20:37
my expression, but that's
20:39
what it was. It
20:42
was total bullshit. He's
20:44
got a big mouth.
20:46
Let's let's put him
20:48
on the commission. Chittwood
20:50
joined anyway. And after
20:52
five main kids were
20:54
accidentally shot to death
20:56
in separate incidents over
20:59
a five month period,
21:01
he proposed the law
21:03
penalizing parents who didn't
21:05
safely store their guns.
21:07
Martin turned it down. The
21:12
commission disbanded, and Chittwood's bid to
21:14
take his reform straight to main
21:16
voters never got off the ground.
21:18
Looking back, Chittwood says it still
21:20
bothers him that he was unfairly
21:22
portrayed as a gun -hating outsider
21:24
from Philly. I mean, even today,
21:26
I'm retired. I got guns in
21:28
my house. God forbid
21:30
somebody comes in, they're going to
21:32
get, they're going to, God bless
21:34
them. That's all I got to
21:37
say. Chittwood left the Portland Police
21:39
Department in 2005 and returned to
21:41
Pennsylvania. The
21:46
Sportsmen's Alliance of Maine and other
21:48
gun rights groups continue to flex their
21:50
political muscle. I had a front
21:52
row seat for one of its more
21:54
impressive victories. I was working for
21:56
the Portland Press Herald in 2013 when
21:58
a rival paper the Bangor Daily
22:01
News. to try to obtain
22:03
data about concealed weapons permits. David
22:05
Trahan was was sitting with me and
22:07
another reporter in our office at the state
22:09
at in Augusta. in and with just
22:11
a few keystrokes. I watched as
22:13
he activated a network of
22:16
gun rights activists against the against the
22:18
Bangor paper. next was a display
22:20
of activist power that I
22:22
had not witnessed before or since.
22:24
or since. The
22:28
The newspaper was soon swamped
22:30
with complaints and threats to
22:32
cancel subscriptions and advertising. subscriptions and asked
22:34
Treyhand about this over the
22:36
summer. this I warned summer. I warned him,
22:38
I to go the nice path and they wouldn't
22:41
listen. I knew it would wouldn't listen. my membership
22:43
I knew it would enrage
22:45
my membership to know that their
22:47
information was being used potentially
22:49
for political activity. Daily News said News
22:51
said it had no intent... of
22:53
publicly identifying permit holders holders.
22:55
it dropped its request
22:58
shortly thereafter. The The controlled
23:00
by Democrats, by passed a bill
23:02
that permanently sealed the records. sealed
23:04
Two years later, Two the legislature
23:07
enacted a law making it
23:09
easier to carry concealed it easier to carry
23:11
And in 2016, and in in
23:13
the NRA NRA teamed up to defeat a
23:15
referendum. that would have expanded
23:17
background checks. background checks. At
23:19
that point, At that point, gun
23:21
control activists were in the political
23:23
wilderness. But in the following
23:25
years, the rising public awareness of
23:27
American mass shootings. mass would begin
23:29
to shift main gun politics,
23:32
so So too a change in
23:34
the state's political leadership. leadership. I
23:36
therefore declare, and make known to
23:38
all persons who are on the
23:40
exercise of any public trust in
23:42
this state, as well as all
23:44
good citizens thereof, that Janet Trafton
23:47
Mills is governor and commander-in-chief of
23:49
the state of America. In
23:52
2018, former prosecutor and
23:54
state Attorney general Mills
23:57
was elected governor. governor. Gun
23:59
control was not central to her
24:01
campaign. But her election came on
24:03
the heels of several high-profile mass
24:05
shootings around the US. In a
24:08
matter of seconds a country music
24:10
festival turned tragic. A storm of
24:12
gunfire raining down. This deadly mass
24:14
shooting happened in Parkland Florida about
24:16
20 miles northwest of Fort Lauderdale.
24:19
Pretty much what we have here
24:21
is that this is a shooting
24:23
in the area of a synagogue.
24:25
The local CVS shooting prompted states
24:28
to start passing extreme risk protection
24:30
orders, better known as red flag
24:32
laws. They allow courts to temporarily
24:34
remove firearms from people considered to
24:36
be a danger to themselves or
24:39
others. Law enforcement and in some
24:41
states' family members can petition a
24:43
court to confiscate the weapons. As
24:45
Attorney General, Mills had already expressed
24:47
support for such a measure in
24:50
2018. I think it balances the
24:52
public safety without trampling on the
24:54
Second Amendment rights and without stereotyping
24:56
individuals with mental illness. The vast
24:59
majority of whom live fulfilling lives
25:01
without posing any threat to other
25:03
people. So by 2019, with new
25:05
Democratic majorities in the main legislature
25:07
and Mills as governor, gun control
25:10
activists were actually upbeat about their
25:12
prospects for reform. But when the
25:14
red flag bill surfaced for a
25:16
public hearing, Mills stayed neutral and
25:19
released a statement promising to find
25:21
common ground with stakeholders. It's important
25:23
to note here that Mills is
25:25
a moderate Democrat. She had campaigned
25:28
on restoring normalcy to state government
25:30
after eight chaotic years of her
25:32
Republican predecessor Paula Page, and she
25:34
has staked out middle ground positions
25:37
on touchy issues, including gun control.
25:39
So before the public hearing on
25:41
the Red Flag Bill, Treyhan reached
25:43
out to Mills directly. He wanted
25:46
to make sure Sam was part
25:48
of the discussion. We listened to
25:50
everyone. When there's a problem, we
25:53
would like to be a problem
25:55
solver, not a divider. So
25:57
Treyhan and Mills decided to work
25:59
with other interest groups to create
26:02
an alternative to the red flag
26:04
bill. The compromise they came up
26:06
with was so different from any
26:09
other red flag law, they dubbed
26:11
it a yellow flag law. Red
26:13
flag laws vary by state, but
26:15
most allow family members to directly
26:18
petition a judge to remove a
26:20
person's guns. None of them require
26:22
a mental health evaluation, as Maine's
26:24
yellow flag law does. In Maine,
26:27
police must initiate the process by
26:29
taking the person into protective custody.
26:31
and then a judge must agree
26:33
that the person is a risk.
26:36
Critics of the yellow flag law
26:38
argue that the process is burdensome
26:40
and saddles cops with too much
26:42
responsibility. So everyone's in the wrong
26:45
way. Former U.S. Attorney Margaret Groban
26:47
says the yellow flag process puts
26:49
police in the role of judging
26:51
a person's mental health before taking
26:54
them into protective custody. And in
26:56
the case of the Lewiston gunman,
26:58
that proved to be difficult and
27:00
dangerous. The police should be determining
27:03
dangerousness, the mental health professionals should
27:05
be determining mental illness, and that
27:07
determinations should stay in the mental
27:09
health commitment lane. But the spin
27:12
on this new approach was that
27:14
these additional steps, including the mental
27:16
health evaluation, were features of due
27:18
process, not barriers to seizing someone's
27:21
guns. And they were key to
27:23
winning Treyhan and Sam's backing, because,
27:25
as he often says, taking away
27:28
someone's second amendment rights, should be
27:30
a deliberate process. And that's what
27:32
he told Governor Mills. I talked
27:34
to her about, instead of red
27:37
flag, let's create something that will
27:39
face constitutional muster and give some
27:41
level of credibility to the gun
27:43
rights communities' concerns, which is due
27:46
process, which is ensuring the rights
27:48
can be restored and making sure
27:50
that elements like mental health and
27:52
professionals were involved. We did that.
27:55
Treyhan and Sam endorse the yellow
27:57
flag bill and its sale
27:59
through the main legislature. It
28:01
was It was hailed by and as
28:03
an exemplar of compromise, and
28:06
more than that, a a local solution
28:08
to the national problem of gun
28:10
violence. violence. And And that's the way
28:12
Trayhan views it today. today. Main
28:14
self-governed when it came when it came to that
28:16
policy, I'm proud of that fact. We We
28:18
didn't need the other state groups telling
28:20
us what to do, whether it was the
28:22
NRA it was the NRA or Michael Bloomberg's mom's demand
28:24
action. action. We said we can solve this problem and
28:27
we did. we did. But
28:30
but not everyone was thrilled with
28:32
the compromise. compromise. Trahan says he took
28:34
a a ton from within his own
28:36
ranks. own ranks. The rights community. threatened
28:39
petitions to have petitions, to have
28:41
me hosted as executive director. want me
28:43
not want me talking to anybody. want me
28:45
not want me talking to the I
28:47
mean, I mean, the mantra was you
28:49
can't trust Democrats. The main gun safety
28:51
coalition, a a local gun control
28:53
group, had reservations about the yellow
28:55
flag law. flag law, gave it
28:57
qualified support. support. As the the red
29:00
flag bill went down into down in defeat,
29:02
then state Senator one of its
29:04
sponsors. one of a prophetic
29:06
warning from the a prophetic warning
29:08
from the Senate floor. And while
29:10
we have been lucky so far
29:13
in Maine to not have experienced
29:15
a school or mass shooting, parents
29:17
and students that I speak with
29:19
and hear from, believe that it
29:22
is not a matter of if,
29:24
but when, unless something more is
29:26
done. Four
29:31
four years later on October 25th,
29:33
2023, 2023. fears came true. A mass
29:35
shooting occurred true. evening A
29:37
mass shooting occurred last evening in and
29:39
The number of dead and wounded
29:41
is unclear this morning. Police are
29:43
looking for a David Trahan raced home from
29:46
a home from a northern Maine hunting
29:48
camp to deal with a shooting fallout. And
29:50
as as he did, cracks already
29:52
seem to be appearing in the
29:54
bipartisan foundations of Maine's gun culture. culture.
29:57
A day after after the shootings,
29:59
democratic Congressman Jared
30:01
made a shocking apology. To the
30:03
families who lost loved ones ones
30:06
to those who have been
30:08
harmed, I ask for forgiveness and
30:10
support as I seek I seek to
30:12
put an end to these
30:14
terrible shootings. shootings. Golden, a
30:16
Marine Corps veteran with an
30:19
a rating with an A -plus rating
30:21
from he now announced that he
30:23
now supported banning assault rifles, like
30:25
the one used in the Lewiston
30:27
shooting. In in that brief moment. It
30:30
seemed like Golden's might spark a
30:32
cascade of other politicians
30:34
to shift their positions. But
30:36
it never it never happened. the
30:38
spotlight quickly the spotlight quickly
30:40
shifted to the gunman, and
30:42
why repeated warnings about his
30:44
diagnosed psychosis and threatening behavior failed
30:47
to trigger use of of yellow
30:49
flag flag law. Republican U.S. .S.
30:51
Senator Susan Collins had previously held
30:53
up the law as a model
30:55
for gun legislation. She she
30:57
stood right next to Golden during his
30:59
apology. and she stood
31:01
staunchly behind the yellow flag
31:03
she stood in fact, the
31:05
suspect was hospitalized for
31:08
two weeks for mental
31:10
illness, that should
31:12
have triggered the yellow flag
31:14
law and he should
31:16
have been separated from his
31:18
weapons. Yellow Flag Law, and
31:20
he should have been of focusing
31:22
on what made the law so hard to
31:24
execute. attention to
31:26
human error. error. And Trahan welcomed
31:28
the shift in scrutiny. It It
31:30
wasn't the system that people in
31:32
It was the people in
31:35
the system. said it yet publicly,
31:37
it yet publicly, become it would soon become
31:39
clear that same shared the same view. after
31:41
the Three months after the shootings, she
31:43
proposed tweaks to parts of the
31:45
yellow flag law, including protective custody
31:48
procedures. She She also
31:50
proposed expanding background checks. checks.
31:52
And Treyhan he told her Sam
31:54
would help modify the yellow flag the yellow
31:56
flag not oppose her
31:58
background check expansion. expansion. So what
32:00
I said to the governor was, because
32:03
we worked so hard on the yellow
32:05
flag law, we'll help you with that
32:07
component, but we insist that the red
32:09
flag law not passed, that was number
32:12
one, and that whatever we do, we
32:14
do not lower the new process standards.
32:16
So that was why we were engaged
32:19
in that, is we kept all those
32:21
due process standards in place, we made
32:23
improvements we could live with, and we
32:26
understood that the background check piece was
32:28
going to pass. Sam
32:32
stayed neutral on the governor's bill
32:34
and fought just about everything else,
32:36
including a red flag proposal that
32:39
conspicuously never received a vote in
32:41
the Democratic-controlled legislature. Public records requested
32:44
by Maine Public, the Portland Press
32:46
Herald, and frontline PBS, show that
32:48
Democratic lawmakers had significant interest in
32:51
pursuing a red flag law right
32:53
after the shootings. But they slow
32:55
walked the proposal after the governor
32:58
released details of her bill. I
33:00
recently asked her about that. Did
33:02
you tell legislative leaders that you
33:05
would veto a red flag proposal
33:07
that you opposed it? Or... I
33:09
can't speak for the minds of
33:12
individual legislators or individual caucuses in
33:14
the House or Senate, Democratic or
33:17
Republican, but I sent the message
33:19
that this is a package that
33:21
we've put together after significant research
33:24
and significant discussions across the board,
33:26
and this is the package that
33:28
I'm comfortable with. She
33:31
also dismissed the idea that Trahan
33:33
and Sam has more influence on
33:35
her gun proposals than other stakeholders.
33:38
But the governor has largely echoed
33:40
Trahan's all-out defense of the yellow
33:42
flag law. When we spoke in
33:45
September, she arrived with a printout
33:47
of all the times it had
33:49
been used since the shootings. 370.
33:51
That's more than once a day.
33:54
We're saving lives with the existing
33:56
law. And Mills has blamed individuals
33:58
for the tragedy. rather than
34:01
any failed policy. At its
34:03
core. this This tragedy was
34:05
caused by a colossal failure
34:07
of judgment by by
34:09
several people on several occasions.
34:12
a profound profound
34:14
negligence. rightly the
34:16
commission rightly stated. of was
34:19
an abdication of
34:21
responsibility. gun control Meanwhile, are
34:23
gun control groups are not waiting for
34:25
mills in the main legislature to pass
34:27
a red flag flag law. They they recently
34:29
announced, they're organizing in hopes of
34:31
getting a red flag proposal on
34:33
the ballot. proposal on the ballot. In take
34:36
a look at how take a father
34:38
is making gun control legislation a
34:40
new mission. legislation a new
34:42
mission. Trahan and Sam will
34:44
be ready. Maine's be ready. voice
34:46
preeminent voice in the
34:48
gun debate just just as influential
34:51
and powerful as it
34:53
was before Lewiston tragedy. And although he
34:55
took an unexpected loss when the the allowed
34:57
a three a waiting period to purchase
34:59
guns to become law without her signature.
35:01
law without her and gun rights groups
35:03
have followed through on their promise
35:05
to challenge its constitutionality. its
35:08
constitutionality. There There is, however,
35:10
hope for supporters of gun reform. Congressman
35:13
Jared narrowly won re
35:15
-election after a barrage of
35:17
attack ads that framed his shift on
35:19
an assault weapons ban as a
35:21
a betrayal. And while Trayhan vowed to
35:23
hold the politicians who voted for
35:26
the voted law accountable in the 2024
35:28
election. the 2024 election, managed to
35:30
hold control in the legislature. in the
35:32
legislature, smaller majorities. All
35:35
of that All of that has left
35:37
a murky forecast for the future of
35:39
Maine's gun politics. Will the Will the
35:41
urgency left by the shooting reverberate beyond
35:43
this year, has or has the focus
35:45
on individuals and their inaction before the
35:47
tragedy? undercut the impetus
35:50
for systemic reform. reform? No
35:52
matter what happens, gun rights activists
35:55
will use a a -tested
35:57
playbook, leveraging Maine's gun
35:59
culture... against efforts for change.
36:01
for change. Four of the 18
36:03
people killed and some of the
36:05
13 of the 18 people killed
36:07
and some of the 13 injured
36:09
night shootings that night the I
36:12
felt the the bar, the the
36:14
bar, the the glasses at
36:16
the bar confused. I saw the And
36:18
I was confused. out I saw the
36:20
bullets coming out of the gun. it's
36:23
the believe it's the deadliest mass shooting
36:25
of deaf people in the U .S. the US.
36:27
The The pain of that loss was
36:29
magnified as the community of deaf and
36:31
hard of hearing struggled for access to
36:33
information. to These people live in
36:35
our community, they live in
36:37
our towns, towns. this is a
36:40
critical time and access is important.
36:42
This is because deaf people are
36:44
chronically overlooked in public policy,
36:46
procedure and public safety practice. To assume
36:48
that deaf people are not
36:50
present in spaces is to to continue
36:52
to practice the social erasure
36:54
of deaf of deaf lives. That's
36:57
time time, on Breakdown. Breakdown
36:59
is a collaboration between
37:01
Main is a collaboration
37:03
between main public radio, the Portland
37:05
Press Herald, and PBS, PBS with
37:07
support from Rock Creek Sound. are
37:10
Susan are Susan Miller, Kevin
37:12
Miller, and The White. is
37:14
Emily is Emily The show
37:16
is edited by The show is edited
37:18
by Ellen Weiss Our Keith Schordahl. producers
37:21
are Mark Producers are Aaron Texera
37:23
and Aaron Texera. Sound Design and
37:25
by Benjamin Frisch. Frisch.
37:28
Fact -Checking by Nicole Legal Legal
37:30
from Dale Rick Schneider is the
37:32
Schneider is the President
37:34
and CEO of Main
37:36
Public Radio. Lisa Desisto is the
37:38
is the CEO and publisher
37:40
of the Portland Press Herald. Aronson
37:43
Roth is the executive the
37:45
executive producer and editor -in
37:47
-chief of Breakdown is produced
37:49
is produced through local Journalism initiative.
37:52
which is funded by by
37:54
S. and James L. Knight
37:56
Foundation. For an upcoming upcoming video
37:58
translation of the pot an in
38:00
American Sign Language, go to
38:03
to .org. For
38:05
additional reporting about
38:07
Lewiston, about visit mainpublic
38:09
.org. slash slash breakdown. pressheryl.com
38:11
and .org, where you
38:13
can also stream
38:15
the documentary, the documentary
38:18
If you are in
38:20
crisis, are please call, text,
38:22
or chat with the
38:24
with a Crisis and crisis lifeline at
38:26
988. or contact the the Crisis
38:28
by texting texting talk to We're
38:31
a new podcast and the best a new podcast,
38:33
us and the best way to
38:35
help us get discovered is to
38:37
leave a five -star review wherever you
38:40
get our show tell tell your
38:42
friends. I'm I'm Steve Misler, thanks
38:44
for listening.
Podchaser is the ultimate destination for podcast data, search, and discovery. Learn More