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up everybody

1:25

and welcome

1:29

to a brand

1:32

new episode

1:35

of the geek

1:38

bodies? Thank

1:40

you all so much for joining us here

1:42

on the gig buddies. We got so much

1:44

to jump into with our end of the

1:46

week episode here going on in the world

1:49

of entertainment. Sir, that Avengers Doomsday's cast is

1:51

a massive thing for us to be breaking

1:53

out and talking about. We're also gonna get

1:55

into some snow white drama that's going on,

1:57

some Harry Potter casting that might be happening.

1:59

and some big new trailers of the

2:02

week. We're gonna break it all down

2:04

here on The Geek Buddy. So thank

2:06

you so much for joining us. Listen

2:08

to Juice Ourselves. I am John Roca,

2:10

writer-producer and hostier on The Geek Buddies.

2:12

I am Michael Vogel, writer and producer

2:14

of animated TV shows and movies. And

2:16

this is Shannon McClong and a television

2:18

actor and an animation writer, where you

2:20

can see me right now on Max's

2:22

The Pit. Nice, yeah, I'd see that

2:24

on the Max streaming series. There's a

2:26

lot going on on Max. People love

2:28

in that service right now. All right,

2:30

so we're going to get into things

2:33

the way the show works is each

2:35

of us brings up a geek news

2:37

item. We talk about it amongst ourselves

2:39

and then get into our big geek

2:41

news item. That's the Avengers Doomsday Cast.

2:43

So if you want to jump to

2:45

that, the time code is below. You

2:47

can jump to that now, but if

2:49

you want to enjoy our... are dulcid

2:51

tones talking about three other subjects we're

2:53

going to it right now let's start

2:55

with the first one here let's get

2:57

into the snow white situation we might

2:59

as well just rip the bandaid off

3:02

that snow white earlier this week of

3:04

course we know that the film is

3:06

not doing well at the box office

3:08

but early this week a new feature

3:10

piece a variety written by Tatiana Siegel

3:12

one of writers I really respect and

3:14

enjoy reading it went into the PR

3:16

mess behind the scenes that was going

3:18

on at Disney it threw Rachel Ziegler

3:20

under the bus for her so social

3:22

media posts basically blaming her for the

3:24

film's box office issues. They also mentioned

3:26

that Mark Platt spoke to her twice

3:28

after her D23 interview on the red

3:31

carpet and then when she posted her

3:33

free Palestine comment after the trailer's initial

3:35

release, they implied that her outspoken has

3:37

caused an increase in death threats for

3:39

Gagadot during the time that they were

3:41

making the movie who had kept her

3:43

politics to a minimum they claim. Then

3:45

when she made a post slamming Donald

3:47

Trump, they brought in a social media

3:49

guru after Rachel Ziegler's initial pushback on

3:51

all of it, she did accept the

3:53

social media guru. But then to add

3:55

even more to the drama to the

3:57

situation, Mark Platt's son, the producer of

4:00

Snow White Jonah Platt, who hosts a

4:02

podcast called Being Jewish, went back at

4:04

someone who claimed that his father was

4:06

being creepy as hell. for visiting a

4:08

young 20-year-old to tell them to curtail

4:10

their social media posts. He essentially said,

4:12

yeah, my dad, the producer of enormous

4:14

piece of Disney with hundreds of million

4:16

dollars on the line had to leave

4:18

this family to fly across the country

4:20

and reprimand his 20-year-old employee for dragging

4:22

her personal politics in the middle of

4:24

promoting the movie, for which she signed

4:26

a multi-million dollar contract that you paid

4:28

a due to publicity for. This is

4:31

called adult responsibility and accountability and her

4:33

actions clearly hurt the film's box office.

4:35

He has no evidence of that. Free

4:37

speech does not mean you're allowed to

4:39

say whatever you want in your private

4:41

employment without repercussions. Tens of thousands of

4:43

people worked in that film and she

4:45

hijacked the conversation for her own immature

4:47

desires at the risk of all the

4:49

colleagues and crew and blue collar workers

4:51

who depend on that movie to be

4:53

successful. Narcissism is not something to be

4:55

coddled in or encouraged. And yes, the

4:57

irony of a plat saying that, but

5:00

go ahead. Michael, what are your thoughts

5:02

on this situation? What are your thoughts

5:04

on these all the accusations being flung

5:06

back and forth here? This is a

5:08

bunch of people being real stupid. That's

5:10

what it is. Like, you can argue

5:12

this anyway. And look, the whole Israel

5:14

Palestine thing, like everybody, guys, the world

5:16

has not figured Israel and Palestine out.

5:18

in decades. Yeah, you are not going

5:20

to solve this on Twitter. It's not

5:22

going to happen. Full disclosure, Michael is

5:24

Jewish. So, you know, he can speak

5:26

on these things a little more personally.

5:29

Full disclosure. Michael's Jewish and he gets

5:31

in fights with his Jewish parents about

5:33

it because I think they're wrong too.

5:35

Like, the whole like, this is such

5:37

a mess of an issue. And anyone

5:39

who is like, if you are for

5:41

Palestine, if you are for Israel, then

5:43

this like, it is like, it is

5:45

way more complicated than that. But all

5:47

that doesn't doesn't matter. That's why this

5:49

is stupid. You can argue all day

5:51

long about should Rachel's Eggler feel free

5:53

to a spouse her opinion on Twitter

5:55

or if she is cast in a

5:58

multi-million dollar movie should she not and

6:00

you can argue the nuances of that

6:02

all day long and you can also

6:04

argue the level of misogyny to that

6:06

because if a man does it then

6:08

he is one thing if a woman

6:10

does it she's another thing also if

6:12

Rachel Ziegler had been very pro-Israel I

6:14

don't think that Jonathan Platt would be

6:16

that upset about her post so the

6:18

entire thing is whatever like it's just

6:20

a bunch of people arguing and there's

6:22

no necessarily right answer but the only

6:24

thing that's absolutely true is the movie's

6:26

not doing great because the movie's not

6:29

great. The end of the story. Like,

6:31

I saw Snow White, I had some

6:33

friends go see it, they really liked

6:35

it, I was more excited about it,

6:37

I went to go see it. I

6:39

think it was not as bad as

6:41

some other Disney live-action remakes, it was

6:43

also not as good as some Disney

6:45

live-action remakes. I think Rachel Ziegler is

6:47

great, I think her voice is amazing,

6:49

I think the creepy-ass dorms were not

6:51

that creepy in the movie. I think

6:53

Beautiful Galgado was creepier than the Dorbs.

6:55

So there's a bunch of things that

6:58

you can argue about this movie, but

7:00

the bottom line is it's just not

7:02

great. And so it's not doing great.

7:04

People that are not scrolling through Twitter

7:06

and X all day long don't make

7:08

their movie going choices based on one

7:10

person's tweet and something they said. They

7:12

go, that looks really fun. I'm gonna

7:14

go see this movie. I heard this

7:16

wasn't great. I don't want to go

7:18

see it. That's the end. So I

7:20

think that this is like one of

7:22

those prime execs. I do think that

7:24

people sort of dogpile on Rachel Ziegler

7:27

and I think it's kind of dumb.

7:29

She's like, she's a kid. She is

7:31

super young and you know what young

7:33

people do? Young people spout their opinions.

7:35

It's what they've been doing. They did

7:37

it in the 60s. We do it

7:39

now like young people are way more

7:41

vocal about their political views. Let her

7:43

be a kid. Let her do what

7:45

she's going to do. She's super talented.

7:47

She's a really good actress Shannon And

7:49

I think and I just think this

7:51

entire thing where we're in this phase

7:53

where somebody said one thing in one

7:56

tweet and that's why millions of people

7:58

decided to sit this movie out is

8:00

just the dumbest thing in the world.

8:02

That's my opinion. Yeah, fair point. Shannon,

8:04

your thoughts here is that Michael has

8:06

called out your opinions on Rachel Ziegler's

8:08

acting. What are you about on the

8:10

entire drama that this has become? I

8:12

mean, it seems like Disney lost control

8:14

of the narrative for this way before.

8:16

Like pretty much the moment that, you

8:18

know, Peter Dinkler's called out, like, you

8:20

know, the dwarves aspect and then people.

8:22

other representatives from the little people community

8:24

got on hand being like why would

8:27

you cost some people from your communities

8:29

an opportunity like you took away seven

8:31

opportunities because of your stance like you

8:33

know we're not we're not a model

8:35

if you don't get to speak for

8:37

everybody and then you know when the

8:39

when the photos got out and it

8:41

showed basically a group of people that

8:43

are not the drawers we're never meant

8:45

to be the doors people online sort

8:47

of took that and like this is

8:49

what they did to the drawers this

8:51

is terrible there's eight of them it's

8:53

not even seven like I don't even

8:56

know if that numbers right from the

8:58

beginning they just kind of lost control

9:00

of this. Did her social media post

9:02

help? No, because I do disagree with

9:04

Vogel that even though my politics probably

9:06

more aligned with hers, I think you

9:08

call out the recently elected president and

9:10

you are alienating a part of the

9:12

audience. I mean, there is a segment

9:14

of that population that are not going

9:16

to go see that movie because of

9:18

her stance. But ultimately... It ultimately I

9:20

think Vogel's right I mean it doesn't

9:22

matter at this point the movie came

9:25

out it wasn't good I don't think

9:27

Jonah Platt I think responding to a

9:29

rondo on on social media probably isn't

9:31

the most helpful thing I also think

9:33

what he was saying I'm like yeah

9:35

you're not wrong I mean when you

9:37

are the lead of a giant movie

9:39

are you allowed to say whatever you

9:41

want yes but there are going to

9:43

be consequences that come along with that

9:45

and to say that the box office

9:47

wasn't affected by some of things that

9:49

she said that's I would say there

9:51

is proof look at the box office

9:54

like a whole lot of people didn't

9:56

go see it. Are people are people

9:58

protesting Robert De Niro movies? Like is

10:00

Robert De Niro movies? Like is Robert

10:02

De Niro really suffering? I sure didn't

10:04

do well. Sure but it didn't do

10:06

well for reasons that are not that.

10:08

I'm just saying that like Robert De

10:10

Niro has been outspoken for 12 years

10:12

now and like like said fuck Trump

10:14

at the Oscars like I'm just like

10:16

there's just this thing that happens no

10:18

where standard you're right but that is

10:20

it is what is happening though like

10:22

to say that it didn't affect it

10:25

is not is not accurate well I

10:27

think of the I think what you're

10:29

saying Mike is where I fall to

10:31

is that If there's a quality in

10:33

the movie, that'll override everything. We saw

10:35

that with X-Men 97. And recently we

10:37

saw that with Wicked. Both Cynthia Rivo

10:39

and Ariana Grande made posts that were

10:41

supporting the Palestine situation and whatever, but

10:43

none of that affected the box office

10:45

of Wicked or the reception of Wicked.

10:47

It really comes down to the quality

10:49

of the movie. Now. I hear what

10:51

you're saying, Shannon, I don't know how

10:54

you can quantify that, because I mean,

10:56

you can't pull everybody. Did you really,

10:58

where you really go? Are you telling

11:00

the result? It's a bit of in

11:02

the air, right? But you can't discount

11:04

it, and you can't prove it. So

11:06

you have to keep it as a

11:08

possibility for sure. I mean, I think

11:10

Joan is the last person, any member

11:12

of the Platte family, or the last

11:14

people to talk about narcissism for the

11:16

love of God. But like this thing,

11:18

but like this thing, but like this

11:20

thing, but, but, but, but, but, but,

11:23

but, but, but, but, but, but, but,

11:25

but, but, but, but, but, but, but,

11:27

but, but, but, I think, I think,

11:29

I think, I think that's a powerful

11:31

move as well. Like he realized, okay,

11:33

I went too far, shouldn't have said

11:35

that stuff, I overstepped my boundaries because

11:37

I agree. This is, there's so many

11:39

more, there's more complexity to this issue

11:41

than just, she said this, therefore the

11:43

box office went into the tank. I

11:45

also look at this as like Disney,

11:47

maybe, I'm not saying anything accusatory, but

11:49

there is a, you could possibly think

11:52

that Disney shook the tree a little

11:54

bit. went to variety hey listen we're

11:56

going to give you our sources this

11:58

is our things on this you want

12:00

to write an article about this and

12:02

they take the distraction or the attention

12:04

away from them at making a bad

12:06

movie and put it on Rachel Ziegler.

12:08

So they're brand saving by throwing her

12:10

under the bus. And that doesn't feel

12:12

good either. But Rachel is going to

12:14

be fine. She's killing in a Broadway

12:16

on Rummy and Juliet. She's going to

12:18

lead and do be a Vita in

12:20

the West End production, the London West

12:23

End production of Vita. So she's going

12:25

to be fine. And she said, because

12:27

she's only 23. People are going to

12:29

forget this. She's going to come back

12:31

and be a big part of something.

12:33

But yeah, I do think that, I

12:35

mean, look, Shannon went to go see

12:37

Snow White in one of his like

12:39

nap time movies. He had time to

12:41

kill. Like if you would come out,

12:43

I saw it and Alto Nights. Yeah,

12:45

oh, oh, my God. Oh, my God.

12:47

I just think that like, and again,

12:49

there's no way to quantify this period.

12:52

But if Snow White had come out

12:54

and it was just by far. the

12:56

best Disney live action remake that had

12:58

ever been made. Every aspect of it

13:00

was perfect. The critics were like, a

13:02

rotten tomato's critic score was through the

13:04

roof and like reviews were great and

13:06

it tanked. Yeah. Then there's an aspect

13:08

of, well, let's talk about why it

13:10

tank because Disney did everything right. But

13:12

the fact of the matter is that's

13:14

just not accurate. That's not true. It

13:16

is not. a great movie. And so,

13:18

you know, I mean, like there are

13:21

movies like we talk like Westside, Stephen

13:23

Spielberg's West Side story is one that

13:25

we always bring up like people who

13:27

love Spielberg, people who love West Side

13:29

story, everyone's like, that's a great movie.

13:31

Did that, was that affected by outside

13:33

things? Maybe. So I just think it's

13:35

one of those things you can't say

13:37

that Rachel Ziegler is absolutely why this

13:39

movie is bombing when there are so

13:41

many other aspects that are good. No,

13:43

I don't think there's one thing that

13:45

made that movie underperform. Again, they there

13:47

was fire on it before, way before

13:50

she, you know, way before D23, I

13:52

think. But I mean, when you look

13:54

at like the rotten tomatoes and granted,

13:56

that's just an aggregate, but you know,

13:58

the critical reception, 42% audience 74. So

14:00

there are people that have gone out

14:02

and liked it. Now, do I think

14:04

that Galgado was good in it? No,

14:06

I think she is a very limited

14:08

actress and this was not a good

14:10

showcase for finding Rachel Ziegler was the

14:12

best part. Maybe but it's not a

14:15

good movie. I mean, I think she

14:17

has an incredible voice. I don't think

14:19

she is the strongest performer in this

14:21

I think she was probably that much

14:23

better in Westside story But you can't

14:25

look at any one thing say that

14:27

you can't put it on one thing

14:30

like it is a it is an

14:32

amalgamation of wrong turns that ultimately led

14:34

to this underperforming Yeah, yeah, I agree

14:36

with that 100% yeah, across the board.

14:38

I agree with that 100% you know

14:40

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Let's move on to this other

20:11

story here with Nick Frost. This is

20:14

actually possibly going to happen. Nick Frost.

20:16

as Hagrid. This was reported by deadline

20:18

just a couple of days ago. Of

20:20

course, we all know him from his

20:23

turns in the Edgar Wright's Cornetto trilogy

20:25

there, all those movies he was a

20:27

part of, but there is a deal

20:29

being worked on where he will be

20:32

replacing the late great Robbie Coltrane to

20:34

play Hagrid, carrying on the legacy of

20:36

Hagrid in the Harry Potter TV series.

20:38

HBO declined comment on this and

20:40

just said we appreciate that

20:42

such a high profile series

20:44

will draw a lot of

20:47

rumors and speculation. kind of

20:49

popped up because of his

20:51

own, speaking of social media,

20:53

his own social media feed

20:55

on Instagram when he posted

20:57

a message, what a bloody

20:59

lovely day, it's happening, it's

21:01

actually happening, stay cool. So

21:03

Shadam O'clock, I go to your

21:05

first, do you like this casting?

21:07

Does this make sense? Is he

21:10

carrying on the legacy here of

21:12

Robbie Coltrane? That is a great,

21:14

great. choice. Well, even for our

21:16

for our podcast listeners, Johnny put

21:19

up a graphic that had Robbie

21:21

Coltrane and his Hagred get up

21:23

next to a bearded Nick Frost.

21:25

And I mean, they they look

21:27

like they are very much cut

21:30

from the same cloth. What's going

21:32

to be interesting is Robbie Coltrane

21:34

was a big guy. I mean,

21:36

he was like a little guy.

21:38

He's about he's like about my

21:40

height. So again, you know, Hagrid

21:42

has always been they've always been

21:44

able to enhance him. But it'll

21:47

be interesting to see how they're

21:49

going to make Nick Frost look

21:51

so big next to these children.

21:53

But again, like the show itself,

21:55

I mean, again, I'm not that

21:57

interested. I do think they're casting choices.

21:59

are inspired though between John Lith Gow

22:01

and Nick Frost. Okay. Michael your thoughts

22:03

on this, you like this? Does it

22:05

make sense? And how are they gonna

22:08

get a five, seven man to look

22:10

six foot five? Your thoughts on this.

22:12

First of all, I think it'll be

22:14

hilarious if his tweet was just about

22:16

like the donut sign was like hot

22:18

now. And he was really excited that,

22:20

you know, like, it was, oh, the

22:22

donuts are hot now, it's happening, stay

22:24

cool. I finally got there on time,

22:26

and it had nothing to do with

22:28

this at all. The Krispy Kreme Light

22:30

was on, and Buddy was ready to

22:32

go. But, no, Shannon's, I mean, like,

22:34

I'm definitely more interested in this show

22:36

than Shannon is, since he... lets us

22:38

know every single time we bring it

22:40

up that he has zero interest in

22:42

it. I am interested in it. Just

22:44

I think Harry Potter, JK Rolling Aside,

22:46

Harry Potter is a massive IP. You

22:48

know, we're about to get a third.

22:50

section of a universal park that is

22:52

dedicated to Harry Potter with the Ministry

22:54

of Magic Ride at Epic Universe. Like

22:56

this is an IP that keeps going.

22:58

Like Harry Potter and the Curse Child

23:00

is currently playing at the Pantages here

23:02

in LA and people are going to

23:04

see it and really really enjoying it.

23:06

Like despite J.K. Rolling's horribleness, the Harry

23:08

Potter franchise does live on and... I

23:10

do think that all the casting choices

23:12

that they have made thus far that

23:14

are confirmed are inspired. And some of

23:16

the casting choices that they've made that

23:18

are rumored are inspired. I mean, I

23:20

think I do think casting a black

23:22

guy's snape is going to be problematic

23:24

down the road in some of the

23:26

flashbacks and some of the ways that

23:29

they are going to have to deal

23:31

with that. So like you're just adding

23:33

a layer. that is going to be

23:35

a little bit challenging, but we'll see

23:37

how they do. But Hagrid is definitely

23:39

one of those roles that as much

23:41

as Robbie Coltrane is beloved in the

23:43

eight movies, there's a lot more going

23:45

on with Hagrid in the books that

23:47

sort of gets slim down when you're

23:49

really focused on Harry and Voldemort and

23:51

Ron and her mind. And so I

23:53

do think that Nick Frost is great

23:55

casting and I think that if they

23:57

do make good on their promise that

23:59

the series is really going to deliver

24:01

on a lot of the stuff that

24:03

kind of got slim down for the

24:05

movies. He's going to have a lot

24:07

of really interesting stuff to do and

24:09

we're going to get a deeper relationship

24:11

with him as Hager than we got

24:13

with Robbie Coltrane. So I think it's

24:15

smart. I think it's good. And I'm

24:17

really curious to see what this show

24:19

is. It's either going to sort of

24:21

be so, again, sort of to the

24:23

Rachel Zegler of it all, it's either

24:25

going to be so good that everyone's

24:27

like, fuck, this is great, like JK

24:29

Rolling, fuck her, but like, this is

24:31

a great show, or it's going to

24:33

be somewhere in the middle, and then

24:35

everyone's gonna debate, is it not doing

24:37

well because of this, or is it

24:39

not doing well because of JK Rolling?

24:41

Yeah. Then eventually Jake is going to

24:43

throw everybody under the bus 10 years

24:45

from now, like she just did the

24:47

three main actors from the past. Yeah,

24:49

I know. Like, you know, it's like,

24:52

it's like, like her opinions aside, even

24:54

though I think they're horrible, the lack

24:56

of grace that that woman has on

24:58

social media, the way that she throws

25:00

people under the bus, her snarky ass

25:02

bullshit, like, it just, it just, ugh.

25:04

She doesn't come from nobility, she doesn't

25:06

come from any high, high upbringing. So

25:08

of course, she acts a little low

25:10

rent when she wants to. But Luke,

25:12

I love this idea, because I love

25:14

Nick Frost's energy. I even enjoy Paul,

25:16

which he co-wrote, I think. And so

25:18

like these, he's kind of, I know,

25:20

I want to select you and enjoy

25:22

it. Because I just like his energy.

25:24

And I think he's a perfect choice

25:26

for a hagrid. You want to have

25:28

someone who can be vulnerable who can

25:30

be vulnerable and connect with the animals

25:32

and have these. fantastical things, but also

25:34

when the moment comes, be big and

25:36

burly and intimidating, right? If you can't

25:38

get Mark Addie, Nick Frost is a

25:40

great choice to get to be a

25:42

part of this thing. And I think

25:44

he even brings a little bit more

25:46

vulnerability and sympathy and connectivity than Mark

25:48

Addie would. So I like this choice.

25:50

It makes sense. And as Shannon pointed

25:52

out, when you put them up on

25:54

the screen, they look like brothers. So

25:56

it would make absolute sense that he

25:58

would slide in and take the role.

26:00

I'm curious to see what the kids

26:02

are gonna look like when they cast

26:04

them, who the kids are gonna be,

26:06

and who serious is gonna be, and

26:08

who Voldemort is gonna be. That's gonna

26:10

be the next things to see when

26:13

the casting starts getting rolled out here,

26:15

who are playing these characters. And we

26:17

might not even hear about. series of

26:19

Voldemort for a while, but so far

26:21

as Shannon said, the casting has been

26:23

pretty inspired. So I like that. I

26:25

think that because I think one of

26:27

the things that Chris Columbus did that

26:29

he does not get enough credit for,

26:31

I mean, the whole team, but Chris,

26:33

Columbus, like Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson, and

26:35

Rupert Grant, yeah, like you, you could

26:37

not have cast three better people. Yeah,

26:39

period. Like they owned that role. And

26:41

so I think those three are the

26:43

ones like all of these other the

26:45

dump John Lith that was dumbled or

26:47

like, oh, this is all great. But

26:49

like finding three kids that are going

26:51

to embody those three the way those

26:53

three did, like that's that's gonna be

26:55

the tough, that's that's a tall order.

26:57

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trailers, trailers, our first one. You

31:21

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31:23

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31:25

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episodes, but when it is done,

31:29

we will be getting the second

31:31

and final season of Andor and

31:33

we just got the full trailer.

31:35

I mean, I don't even think

31:37

it clocks in at two minutes,

31:39

but at this point, I mean,

31:41

if you're not on board this

31:43

show, we don't have the same

31:45

taste, I don't think. What Andor

31:47

did was just. really connected to

31:49

kind of that older audience that

31:51

may not have connected with the

31:53

prequels as much. That's not to

31:56

say that people who like the

31:58

prequels didn't like Andor, but the

32:00

folks that were around for when

32:02

those original Star Wars movies came

32:04

out in the theaters. Andor really

32:06

just got got its hooks in

32:08

us. I mean, and it has

32:10

appealed across the board. Like I

32:12

know when it came out, it

32:14

may not have had the biggest

32:16

numbers, but it seemed like a

32:18

show that more and more people.

32:20

but we're able to come in

32:22

and just go, you know, episode

32:24

one through 12. This last trailer,

32:26

we get K-2SO back, we get

32:28

Director Krennic back, it just looks

32:30

so good. We get Stalin Scars

32:32

Guard. I mean, it's just such

32:34

an exciting show to exist. And

32:37

even though it is the last

32:39

season, knowing that it's gonna run

32:41

up right to the beginning of

32:43

Rogue One, I just thought this

32:45

trailer was great. But Johnny, I'll

32:47

throw it over to you first.

32:49

What do you think of our

32:51

latest look. at Andor season two.

32:53

I mean you guys know I'm

32:55

an early fan of this series

32:57

and I can't wait to see

32:59

what season two is going to

33:01

bring us in this was the

33:03

right trailer a lot of people

33:05

had issues that last trailer because

33:07

of the Steve Earl song that

33:09

was playing some people felt it

33:11

hung a lantern too much with

33:13

the lyrics that were too on

33:15

the nose. I get it, I

33:18

liked it, I didn't mind it,

33:20

but I know some people did.

33:22

So how do you respond to

33:24

that? You deliver an even more

33:26

bad-ass trailer with some incredible footage.

33:28

As you said, Shannon, it's only

33:30

a minute and a half, which

33:32

is crazy. And then you bring

33:34

that music in that is from

33:36

the series to get you really

33:38

in the mood. And the overall

33:40

energy of this one is much

33:42

more about fighting against the empire,

33:44

fighting against rebellion, and we're touching

33:46

base with the pharynx crew. over

33:48

is like, you know, it's gonna

33:50

burn brightly once we explode this

33:52

stuff. I wanted to, we have,

33:54

we have saw Guerrero going crazy.

33:56

It's time to win, you know,

33:58

all that kind of stuff. And

34:01

Bix even saying. I don't want

34:03

to sacrifice everything if we're not

34:05

going to be able to get

34:07

it done. And so you see

34:09

that the stakes are raising higher

34:11

and higher. Plus, Deidra, is she

34:13

getting choked by Vader or the

34:15

Emperor? Is that a panic attack?

34:17

What is that with that scene?

34:19

More with Monmothma, confronting the Galactic

34:21

Senate. And we have more going

34:23

on here with Cassian Andor, seemingly

34:25

taking the position of Luther. these

34:27

12 episodes are going to be in

34:29

season too so I thoroughly thoroughly love

34:32

the trailer. Mikey do you think

34:34

this last trailer burned brightly? I

34:36

mean I was good with the last

34:38

trailer I thought that song was great

34:41

I think people who get mad about

34:43

like modern music in Star Wars trailers

34:45

are are grumpy and you need to

34:47

stop being grumpy but this was

34:49

a great trailer it's gonna be

34:51

awesome I think what's gonna be

34:53

really great about this is that

34:55

through Andor because like even you know

34:58

like Gilroy came out and said this

35:00

and a couple other people like you

35:02

get done with you're gonna get done

35:04

with this season of Andor and you

35:06

go right into rogue one like you

35:08

go right into rogue one and then

35:11

rogue one as we know goes right

35:13

into a new hope so we're getting

35:15

the full scope of the of the

35:17

build-up to this rebellion, like we're going

35:19

from Cassie and Andor, sort of being

35:21

on this planet, getting pulled in to

35:23

this one pocket of the rebellion, and

35:25

we're watching it become more and more

35:27

organized, become bigger and bigger, leading up

35:29

to Row One, and I think, and

35:31

leading up, become bigger and bigger, leading

35:33

up to Row, and I think that's

35:36

cool. And like, even in this trailer,

35:38

like, that's the Gorman massacre, which is something

35:40

that we're gonna see in the season, where

35:42

she's sort of like, like, like, like, goes

35:44

up and actually fully blames Palpatine and then

35:46

like gets out of there and the Rebels

35:48

crew in the animated series has to help

35:50

her get out of there. So like this

35:52

is where it starts to intersect with the

35:54

Star Wars universe and the buildup of the

35:56

rebellion that we know, but doing it in

35:58

a really personal way in a very... very

36:00

adult story. So yeah andor is great

36:02

like I mean andor the first season

36:04

is powerful from what everyone has said

36:06

this second season is where it just

36:09

like you thought season one was good

36:11

get ready so yeah I can't wait

36:13

for this and you know we've talked

36:15

about this already like some people are

36:17

frustrated that they're sort of dropping chunks

36:20

as opposed to giving us like a

36:22

full rollout week by week but like

36:24

for me several weeks of Star Wars

36:26

movies I'm fully in like I think

36:28

it's gonna be a really fun wild

36:31

ride. Well, the first three episodes of

36:33

Andor season two drop on April 22nd.

36:35

That brings us to our next trailer.

36:37

It's our second look at final destination

36:39

bloodlines. We get a little bit more

36:42

in that we find out that the

36:44

folks that death is going after this

36:46

time, they are to the descendants of

36:48

someone, Grandma Iris, who basically of... had

36:50

a premonition back in like the late

36:53

50s, early 60s at a giant restaurant

36:55

in the sky and saved a lot

36:57

of people that were not meant to

36:59

be saved. Again, for lack of a

37:01

better term, the kills in this are

37:04

always super creative. Like we see a

37:06

Broken piece of glass going to a

37:08

big tray of ice. How's that gonna

37:10

play out? It is like watching a

37:12

Rube Goldmer, Goldberg machine of death. Mikey,

37:15

I'll throw it over to you first.

37:17

What do you think of our second

37:19

look at Final Destination Bloodlines? This trailer

37:21

was very stressful on every level. This

37:23

was a stressful film. Final destination. Here's

37:26

the thing about Final Destination that's great

37:28

as a franchise is every single one

37:30

of us has driven down the freeway

37:32

and gotten behind a car. with a

37:34

truck with a bunch of logs in

37:37

it and said I got to get

37:39

the fuck out of like like I

37:41

got like I got to move immediately

37:43

right because fuck this and we've all

37:45

done it and then we think we're

37:48

I'm a fucking idiot this is stupid

37:50

that's not really gonna happen that being

37:52

said I'm gonna get I'm gonna get

37:54

out of here right now like this

37:56

was that I'm never gonna look at

37:59

a fucking tray of ice again and

38:01

not go, is there a person gloss

38:03

in there? Like, it's just, yes, the

38:05

kills are very creative, but they're also

38:07

the kinds of kills. Like, I don't

38:10

walk out and go, I'm afraid that

38:12

a guy in a hockey mask is

38:14

hiding in my courtyard. But like, the

38:16

kills in Final Destination put me on

38:18

a constant alert that like, after I

38:21

see this trailer, after I see this

38:23

movie, for like a good like two

38:25

to three weeks, I'm be like. Is

38:28

there a rake anywhere because there's a

38:30

rake anywhere? I am not into this

38:32

like that so it's a very stressful

38:34

trailer It looked good. I'm gonna go

38:36

see it I'm in Johnny Yeah, you

38:39

know this one. This is this is

38:41

the latest installment It's been a minute

38:43

since we've gotten one of these these

38:45

typically come out in the fall maybe

38:47

in the spring this one is right

38:49

at the beginning of summer and it's

38:51

also I believe it's the last performance

38:53

of Tony Todd so it is there

38:55

They're clearly feeling strong about this. What

38:57

did you think of our second look

38:59

at final destination bloodlines? Listen, I loved

39:02

the teaser and I was looking forward

39:04

to this one and I did a

39:06

reaction to this one and I loved

39:08

it, top to bottom, because not just

39:10

because of the kills, but also the

39:12

fact that they are making illusions to

39:14

all the different installments and I've seen

39:16

every single one of these things and

39:18

remember the kills. There was so much

39:20

in the flipping of the flipping of

39:22

the book. They're like, oh my god,

39:25

there's the, so it was a great.

39:27

trailer that honored the people who've been

39:29

watching every single installment, but also gave

39:31

enough fresh stuff here that if you're

39:33

like a newer fan, you're like, okay,

39:35

let's see what this is going to

39:37

be like. Let's see what this is.

39:39

And I think I'm gonna add another

39:41

thing that Michael, he makes a great

39:43

point. Like these kills in the movies

39:45

are regular everyday things that just go

39:48

wrong. which is why it messes you

39:50

up, right? Like I sit in a

39:52

drive-through, I am always looking behind in

39:54

my rear view mirror that no big

39:56

thing is coming, tumbling down a hill

39:58

to hit me, I don't go near

40:00

barbed wire fences that are out in

40:02

the middle of, you know, farms or

40:04

whatever, and I sure as hell drive

40:06

around those motherfucking logs, and I jump

40:08

through elevator doors now. I don't just...

40:11

because you never know what's gonna happen.

40:13

So, but yeah, so many Todd, and

40:15

I like the actors involved in this,

40:17

and I like the legacy that they're

40:19

playing with. So I hope this is

40:21

a great one. And you're right, Shannon,

40:23

putting it at the beginning of the

40:25

summer shows a little confidence in this.

40:27

So I hope it is good. And

40:29

it was the second highest horror rate,

40:31

horror watched movie trailer ever. Ever. That's

40:34

incredible. When I was a kid, me

40:36

and my friends snuck into an area

40:38

of a neighborhood we weren't supposed to

40:40

be in and there was like a

40:42

giant barbed wire fence and my friend,

40:44

I made it over fine, but my

40:46

friend got, he slipped and his knee

40:48

got caught and he hung for like

40:50

a split second just being held by

40:52

the thing before like he fell and

40:54

his leg was bleeding. will haunt me

40:57

till my dying day. Just anytime I

40:59

love me driving down the freeway, I

41:01

see a bar bar, I'm like, no

41:03

ma'am. Well, final Destination Bloodlines comes out

41:05

May 16th. That brings us to our

41:07

last trailer. On the Geek buddies, we

41:09

cover a lot of geeky stuff. You

41:11

know, we love our DC, we love

41:13

our Star Wars, we love our Marvel,

41:15

despite what these two grumpy pants are

41:17

going to say in about five minutes.

41:20

But also, we are also film geeks,

41:22

and that's why we're talking about the

41:24

trailer for One Battle After Another. This

41:26

is the latest from Paul Thomas Anderson.

41:28

This one is starring Leonardo Diyanado DiCaprio

41:30

and Ezekielo. Sean and Regina Hall, Tiana

41:32

Taylor. This is about a group of

41:34

revolutionaries. I believe it's in the mid

41:36

80s. And what happens when a enemy

41:38

that they thought they had defeated comes

41:40

back. I'm not always the biggest Paul

41:43

Thomas Anderson fan, but I am a

41:45

big Leonardo to Caprio fan. And his

41:47

chemistry with Benicio del Toro in this

41:49

looks very, very fun, very, very entertaining.

41:51

Johnny, you are our resident senophile. What

41:53

did you think of our first look?

41:55

at one battle after. another. I think

41:57

we're all pretty good synophiles, but thank

41:59

you Shannon. And I'll say this, I'm

42:01

with you. The latest outputs of PTA

42:03

hasn't been the best for me. I

42:06

didn't like licorice pizza. I haven't been

42:08

an inherent vice fan, but I love

42:10

this trailer. Also, I didn't like Leo

42:12

and Killers of the Flower Moon playing

42:14

a low level person. This is the

42:16

kind of Leo low level that I

42:18

can get behind and believe and I

42:20

like what the comedic revolution at the

42:22

end. hilarious stuff. Him and Beneseo, him

42:24

being his sensei. all of that. This

42:26

is so perfect. And for those of

42:29

us who grew up in the 80s,

42:31

these kind of crazy people, we actually

42:33

saw in our communities walking around at

42:35

the video store at the 7-Eleven. So

42:37

the fact that they're making them part

42:39

of some kind of revolution here works

42:41

well. I mean, the shot of that

42:43

pregnant woman shooting the M16 like crazy.

42:45

There's so many images here that are

42:47

fantastic and exciting and enjoyable. And where

42:50

this has a little bit of the

42:52

energy of inherent advice, this looks to

42:54

be a better film. that inherent vice

42:56

and I like that it's a bit

42:58

out there so I'm 100% on board

43:00

loved the the energy of it all

43:02

and can't wait to see what we're

43:04

gonna get because I have a feeling

43:06

it's gonna be a way out there

43:08

movie like a wacky movie so. Mikey

43:10

is your favorite low level Leo the

43:13

one that you saw in one battle

43:15

after another. I think this is a

43:17

good trailer. Oh, but Paul. I see

43:19

I see the I see the word

43:21

Paul Thomas Anderson and I'm like. Okay.

43:23

Okay. Even like, like, definitely more reason

43:25

Paul Thomas Anderson, but really, if I'm

43:27

being honest, Paul Thomas Anderson in general.

43:29

Yeah. Like, just like, like, like, just

43:31

kind of like, okay, I get what

43:33

this is, but it's never quite been

43:36

my jam. So, like, this trailer, like,

43:38

love the cast. Yes, really funny. Like,

43:40

like, I'm like, yeah, this is a

43:42

great, well cut trailer. But it's just,

43:44

like, I'm like, I'm like, like, I'm

43:46

like, I'm like, like, like, like, I'm

43:48

like, I'm like, like, I'm like, I'm

43:50

like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

43:52

I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm

43:54

like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

43:56

like, like, I'm like, like, like, like,

43:59

like, like, like, We'll see. That's

44:01

kind of like, um, it's like

44:03

what's his face who directed long

44:05

legs. Like it's, uh, Osgood.

44:07

Osgood Perkins, yeah. Yep. There's

44:09

a certain names that I'm

44:11

like, even when I see the

44:14

trail, I'm like, okay. That's kind

44:16

of where I landed on this

44:18

one. I mean, I will take the

44:20

monkey over licorice pizza. Any

44:22

day. Oh, a billion percent. And long weeks

44:24

for God's sake. But speaking of release dates,

44:27

this one is coming out at the end

44:29

of September. So, you know, normally whenever Paul

44:31

Thomas Anderson directs a movie, it is automatically

44:33

in contention for Best Picture. The fact that

44:35

it's coming out, not even in like October,

44:38

it's like, oh, late September. Let's see

44:40

what happens. So September

44:42

26th is when the

44:45

latest opus from Paul

44:47

Thomas Anderson comes out

44:49

in theaters. It got

44:51

some mixed reactions. So I

44:53

think the trailer from

44:56

screenings in Vegas. So

44:58

I think the trailer is to

45:00

kind of, you know, get

45:02

ahead of that and let

45:04

people see what people saw

45:06

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46:32

well, thank you. Um, all right,

46:34

let's get into it. Let's get

46:36

into the big one. There it

46:38

is, Avengers Doomsday. It happened. The

46:40

cast list was announced 27 members

46:42

of this cast list over a

46:44

five. and a half hour live

46:46

stream announcement was was revealed here

46:48

just the other day. It snagged

46:50

to as deadline is reporting the

46:52

live stream is now snagged. 275

46:54

million digital views across its one

46:56

with 3.1 million social mentions more

46:58

than five times the social volume

47:00

that last year's deadpool of Wolverine

47:02

Super Bowl trailer did, which is

47:04

pretty amazing. Fans waited as much

47:06

as 15 minutes in between the

47:08

camera, finally moving and revealing a

47:10

new name. We got a good

47:12

chunk of the OG X man.

47:14

We got a name more coming

47:16

back. We got Similu coming back,

47:18

La Gisha right coming back. Tom

47:20

Hittleston is apparently back with Loki.

47:22

We had a whole bunch of

47:24

people involved in this one. No

47:26

Tom Holland, no Halleyberry, no Phamke,

47:28

Johnson, O'Connell, no Hugh Jackman, no

47:30

Chris Evans, and no Haley Atwell.

47:32

But hey, we got ourselves Channing

47:34

Tatum coming back to play gambit.

47:36

So, oh joy. So Michael, I'll

47:38

go to you first. Well, actually,

47:40

let's go to Shannon first. Since

47:42

Michael, I'm probably on the same

47:44

page about this. Shannon, did you

47:46

think this work? now after this

47:48

announcement of 27 cast members were

47:50

doomsday. So in the past, Marvel

47:52

has had some big events where

47:54

they've been able to announce their

47:56

upcoming slated movies, you know, a

47:58

new cast member, someone who's going

48:00

to be playing a new hero.

48:02

Like I come to, you know,

48:04

think about the El Capitan one

48:06

where they introduced Chapman Bozeman as

48:08

Tachala and that's where they talked

48:10

about Captain America's Civil War. Like

48:12

they were unveiling a lot of

48:14

kind of phase three. They were

48:16

going to do something. And having

48:18

a live stream where you're just

48:20

seeing the backs of a bunch

48:22

of chairs, that didn't upset me.

48:24

I was kind of like, oh,

48:26

okay. Like, once they went from

48:28

Chris Hemsworth over to Vanessa Kirby,

48:30

it's kind of like, oh, okay,

48:32

that's what they're gonna do. Now

48:34

I got it. Now I don't

48:36

have to be glued to this.

48:38

It's gonna be very easy to

48:40

go on Instagram to go on

48:42

to their stories and just see,

48:44

p-pah-pah-pah-pah-pah. who got really disagreeable about

48:46

this, I thought was really, really

48:49

curious, because I wasn't on the

48:51

show on Wednesday, I did pull

48:53

it up, and I was like,

48:55

oh, we had a text thread

48:57

going already, but then to actually

48:59

hear the intonations of the dissatisfaction

49:01

amongst my two co-host, I was

49:03

like, well, this is very entertaining.

49:05

In terms of how they did

49:07

it, look, they were gonna do

49:09

something. I had no issue with

49:11

this. It was kind of like,

49:13

okay, you know, you probably don't

49:15

have, I highly doubt all 27

49:17

of these people are going to

49:19

be in one scene. The idea

49:21

that you're going to be able

49:23

to get all of them together

49:25

for a big promotional event, it's

49:27

probably just, it was probably a

49:29

bit too big of a hill

49:31

to climb. So watching the chairs,

49:33

I mean, it was fun. It

49:35

was something that I checked in,

49:37

like I was at acting class

49:39

in the morning, doing my great

49:41

lines with Glenn Gary Glenn Ross,

49:43

and in between, I'm kind of

49:45

like, oh, hey, somebody knew, somebody

49:47

knew. In terms of the people,

49:49

sorry, I'm gonna put my hand

49:51

up, some stupid camera. There. Okay.

49:53

Sorry. But in terms of the

49:55

people that they announced, there were

49:57

some surprising omissions. And I know

49:59

they've come out and basically said,

50:01

like, this isn't it? Like, we're

50:03

going to say more. I do

50:05

wonder if the folks that they

50:07

announced or if these are going

50:09

to be the ones that would

50:11

be the most difficult to hide.

50:13

If it rather, whether it would

50:15

be in marketing, like I know

50:17

they said, they're going to be

50:19

doing a lot of soundstage shooting

50:21

to kind of cut down on

50:23

the leaks, but at some point

50:25

they probably might have to go

50:27

outside. But the lack of Mark

50:29

Ruffalo, I found really surprising, the

50:31

lack of Tom Holland, Hugh Jackman,

50:33

like the fact that they introduced

50:35

all these former X-Men and Hugh

50:37

Jackman was not a part of

50:39

it. I was not a part

50:41

of it. the cast of Fantastic

50:43

Four, knowing that they're gonna have

50:45

some sort of wokondon representation, both

50:47

with Leticia Wright and Winston Duke.

50:49

I mean, I'm excited to see

50:51

the movie. Do I think it's

50:53

going to work? I mean, it

50:55

will really depend on this, you

50:57

know, idea that has gotten, gotten

50:59

everyone so jazzed that they had

51:01

to restructure some things. I'm curious

51:03

to see how it's gonna work

51:05

out. And again, the fact that

51:07

you got Alan coming to come

51:09

back, who talked about how much

51:11

he did not. like being in

51:13

that makeup and was allegedly one

51:15

of the reasons he did not

51:17

come back for the third X-Men.

51:19

I'm curious. And again, like, I

51:21

like a big splashy announcement. Was

51:23

this a big splash or was

51:25

it one long little splash? I

51:27

was happy with both of them.

51:29

And again, I got a lot

51:31

of entertainment. I'm listening to you

51:33

too. Especially as the ship started

51:35

to write itself. We're like, oh,

51:37

okay. I guess, I guess this

51:39

is okay. Very entertaining. Michael, your

51:41

thoughts on that, picking up what

51:44

Shannon was alluding to. Well, yeah,

51:46

look, I mean, I am absolutely

51:48

guilty of what most of Twitter

51:50

did, but you have to, you

51:52

have to give credit where credit

51:54

is due. that is that like

51:56

we knew that there was going

51:58

to be a big announcement. To

52:00

Shannon's point, we've sort of been

52:02

trained that when Marvel says they're

52:04

going to make a big announcement,

52:06

they do something big. And so

52:08

when this happened and there was

52:10

a chair and then 12 minutes

52:12

later, there was another chair, I

52:14

in real time, like a lot

52:16

of people aren't really like, what

52:18

the fuck is this? This is

52:20

what they're doing? Like I was

52:22

expecting something huge, like I don't

52:24

know. And so I was frustrated

52:26

frustrated. as the day went on

52:28

particularly when Johnny and I did

52:30

did the Daredevil review and as

52:32

we're doing it I had YouTube

52:34

open on another screen and so

52:36

as he would be talking I

52:38

would hear the music swell and

52:40

I would cut over to see

52:42

who the chair was and I

52:44

was like well fuck me I'm

52:46

doing it and then it was

52:48

like after that that I kind

52:50

of realized Well and then as

52:52

I and I think I even

52:54

tweeted this like then I started

52:56

getting text messages and I definitely

52:58

got text messages from people that

53:00

like this is stupid Marvel is

53:02

desperate what the fuck are they

53:04

doing but I was getting text

53:06

messages from and we always talk

53:08

about this I was getting text

53:10

messages from non geeky friends I

53:12

was getting text messages from people

53:14

who do not go to every

53:16

Marvel movie and they were like

53:18

so wait the X Men are

53:20

in this and I was like

53:22

Marvel like Marvel it's almost like

53:24

by taking the amount of time

53:26

they took, they basically owned the

53:28

entire day. Like had they just

53:30

announced, if they had had an

53:32

image of 27 people or done

53:34

like a one minute video with

53:36

it was a compilation of all

53:38

these characters, we still would have

53:40

talked about it all day, but

53:42

like by taking that amount of

53:44

time, we all sat there and

53:46

like, yes, we did other things

53:48

and I ran some errands and

53:50

did this, but just like Shannon,

53:52

oh, music swelling, So they did

53:54

it. Now I do think what's

53:56

more curious than who is cast,

53:58

I mean we can talk about

54:00

the X-Men of it all, but

54:02

like we kind of already assumed

54:04

that was happening, is like Shannon

54:06

said. The people that aren't obviously

54:08

there's a spider issue like like

54:10

is Tom Holland in this movie

54:12

Is he not in this movie

54:14

because Spider-man four is coming out

54:16

between this and secret wars? Are

54:18

Andrew Garfield and Toby McGuire coming

54:20

back if all the X-men are

54:22

coming back? It feels like they

54:24

are based on Deadpool and Wolverine

54:26

We know that Deadpool needs to

54:28

cry in Thor's arms at some

54:30

point are Wolverine and Deadpool not

54:32

coming into secret wars like so

54:34

there's lots of questions of that

54:36

But then there's also like Dr.

54:39

strange? who are apparently off dealing

54:41

with incursions, which seems like this

54:43

is what this would be about,

54:45

Star Lord, who is on earth

54:47

now, and then all of the

54:49

characters that are ultimately going to

54:51

be Young Avengers slash champions. So

54:53

there's still a big thing, and

54:55

it is, like I've seen a

54:57

lot of people with 27 cast

54:59

members, you're like, this already is

55:01

a huge movie, is this too

55:03

many people, and LaShana Lynch. particularly

55:05

not that I think that Tiana

55:07

Paris and LaShana Lynch are the

55:09

most important characters in the Marvel

55:11

universe, but as far as the

55:13

X-Men being in this movie, LaShana

55:15

Lynch and Tiana Paris actually are

55:17

pretty important because they are both

55:19

with the with beast last we

55:21

saw him in the X-Mansion. So

55:23

them not being included was actually

55:25

pretty curious. So there's a lot

55:27

of questions that this raises, but

55:29

to again to Marvel's credit. The

55:31

questions that are being raised are

55:33

causing more excitement than concern. Absolutely,

55:35

there's people that are like... including

55:37

the old school X-Men, is a

55:39

desperate move by Marvel because they're

55:41

trying to get this in the

55:43

same way that people think that

55:45

Robert Downey Jr. coming in as

55:47

Dr. Doom is desperate on their

55:49

part and there's truth to the

55:51

fact that Marvel is definitely on

55:53

their heels in a way they've

55:55

never been before. The pressure on

55:57

this movie to be as good

55:59

as as infinity was. So they've

56:01

got a lot to do, but

56:03

I do think ultimately their announcement

56:05

was very successful in the same

56:07

way that Robert Downey Jr. was

56:09

that even though it has its

56:11

naysayers, it definitely has people talking

56:13

and it's definitely eventized this movie

56:15

in a way that it wasn't

56:17

before. Yeah, I would say there's, like

56:19

we said earlier with the Rachel Zegler

56:22

situation, two things can be true at

56:24

once, right? One, I think this was a

56:26

horrible way to do this. But you can't

56:28

argue it's success. You can't argue that

56:30

people are talking about it, you know,

56:32

275 million views on the thing overall,

56:34

across social media interactions, blowing away the

56:37

Wolverine and Deadpool trailer from last year

56:39

that was so massive. So, or two

56:41

years ago, that's, that makes all the

56:43

sense in the world how they did

56:45

it in terms of the reaction. So

56:48

maybe they are geniuses for doing it

56:50

this way. But I agree with you,

56:52

Mike. The ramp up has not been

56:54

good. And certainly dropping it the next

56:56

day after two episodes of Deadpool and

56:58

Wolverine after. Daredevil. Oh, sorry, Daredevil born again

57:01

after Captain America, not doing so well. I

57:03

mean, there's just these things you go. Okay,

57:05

so they're trying to reframe the narrative, but

57:07

also you can't move the fact that they

57:10

don't want to think they'd be spoiled. So

57:12

they wanted to get ahead of some of

57:14

the leaks and what have you by revealing

57:16

the cast, which I totally understand. The thing

57:19

that makes me concerned is Jeff last

57:21

night on the hot mic said that

57:23

according to his sources, the script still

57:25

isn't locked. And so they're still working

57:27

out deals with who is going to

57:29

appear who is not going to be

57:32

here. And if that's true, that means

57:34

they're probably holding out lines and they're

57:36

going to shift lines around and try

57:38

to make it all work. And so

57:40

already you can see they're just trying

57:42

to, as you said, Michael, event ties

57:45

the movie, but the buildup hasn't been

57:47

that strong. This helps people get excited,

57:49

but really, this will mean nothing if

57:51

you go see the movie and it's

57:54

not that good, or it's Midland, you

57:56

know, and I think that's the danger

57:58

when you have the... hubris to run

58:00

a five and a half hour announcement

58:03

and and what it could lead to

58:05

if the movie isn't good then people

58:07

look back on this and and destroy

58:09

them for it even more so sure

58:11

i mean it is hubris but also

58:14

it's like there's no other choice i

58:16

mean kind of to your point like

58:18

They I think you are right that

58:20

they are well aware of the fact

58:22

that you're not going to have Particularly

58:25

the X-Men the Fox X-Men on any

58:27

sound stage anywhere and we're like with

58:29

infinity with in with end game We

58:31

knew time travel was going to be

58:33

part part of it early on because

58:36

we saw them in their old school

58:38

outfits like there's just certain things like

58:40

if you see Ian McKell and you're

58:42

like well shit I know what this

58:44

is so I think there was a

58:46

need to get in front of it

58:49

and so they did that I think

58:51

they are well everyone is well aware

58:53

of the fact that when your script

58:55

isn't locked you're fucked Yeah, but they're

58:57

also like we got to release this

59:00

movie when we're releasing this movie like

59:02

there's like there's like there you kind

59:04

of end up in these situations where

59:06

you're like well Yeah, is this ideal?

59:08

No. But I hope we fucking figure

59:11

this out. And so yeah, that is

59:13

a little bit where they are right

59:15

now. And I think you know, and

59:17

there's all this other's like the Russo

59:19

brothers, the perform, the reception to the

59:22

electric state probably isn't helping. Like there's

59:24

just like, this is a recipe for.

59:26

I got in an argument with somebody

59:28

and I was, I am usually the

59:30

voice of like hopefulness and optimism. And

59:33

here I am. I'm like, I love

59:35

Jonathan Hickman secret wars. I. understand that

59:37

when you're adapting that it makes sense

59:39

that you would use the X-Men because

59:41

we need heroes from another universe that's

59:44

collapsing that we that is going to

59:46

make the stakes real so I think

59:48

there's a lot of reasons why the

59:50

choices make sense and I am hopeful

59:52

that there is a path to this

59:54

being awesome will they hit that path?

59:57

Yeah it's less certain I mean I

59:59

was convinced that infinity war wasn't going

1:00:01

to to be able to land the

1:00:03

plane just because, even though I loved

1:00:05

everything leading up to it, I was

1:00:08

like, this is too massive. There's no

1:00:10

way they're gonna do it. The fact

1:00:12

that we actually got an Infinity War

1:00:14

and an end game that are as

1:00:16

good as they are has spoiled us

1:00:19

because there's really no reason that those

1:00:21

two should be as good as they

1:00:23

are. It's just like, it's amazing that

1:00:25

we got those and the chances of

1:00:27

us getting something on that level again

1:00:30

that is that solid. It's a slim

1:00:32

chance, but who maybe we're gonna do.

1:00:34

Yeah, well, I mean, a couple of

1:00:36

things, I mean, as far as the

1:00:38

script not being locked with this type

1:00:41

of film, I mean, there's constantly, things

1:00:43

are constantly being changed. So, you know,

1:00:45

whether a script is locked or not,

1:00:47

I mean, it kind of, it kind

1:00:49

of depends on the size of the

1:00:51

project. No, I know a lot of

1:00:54

times like when I would be writing

1:00:56

things for Vogel, you know, we were

1:00:58

dealing with, you know, much shorter scripts.

1:01:00

But even when it was locked, things

1:01:02

still got changed. in the record. I

1:01:05

mean, you would, you know, Mike would

1:01:07

have an idea and be like, hey,

1:01:09

someone, so say this, or he changed

1:01:11

a line on the fly. As far

1:01:13

as the script being locked and them

1:01:16

still trying to figure out who's going

1:01:18

to be in the movie, that's a

1:01:20

little concerning. And in terms of the

1:01:22

Russo brothers, coming off of their streak

1:01:24

at Marvel, they were going to be

1:01:27

able to write their own ticket. And

1:01:29

between what was it Cherry. The Gray

1:01:31

Man and the Electric State, I think

1:01:33

they've kind of come to the end

1:01:35

of that road. That Cherry was not

1:01:38

obviously, was not a big budget film,

1:01:40

but the Gray Man, very expensive. The

1:01:42

Electric State, way, way more expensive. It

1:01:44

seems like the Russo brothers are the

1:01:46

best when they have someone to report

1:01:49

to. And going in and doing those

1:01:51

next three movies, even the Gray Man

1:01:53

coming off, or Electric State coming off

1:01:55

a Gray Man, they probably weren't... having

1:01:57

to answer to people the way they

1:01:59

had to answer to Fagi and the

1:02:02

rest of his team at Marvel. And

1:02:04

hopefully that's the situation that we're going

1:02:06

to have. Like I know there have

1:02:08

been reports that FIGI was concerned, but

1:02:10

it's too late to pull them off.

1:02:13

And it's like, I don't necessarily agree

1:02:15

with that because they have worked together

1:02:17

very successfully four times. And I think

1:02:19

they don't come back. I think obviously

1:02:21

they're making a lot of money. I

1:02:24

don't think they come back into a

1:02:26

situation they don't want to be in.

1:02:28

Like this is something that. I think

1:02:30

they wanted to do. Even with the,

1:02:32

it's not even an underperformance because it's

1:02:35

Netflix, it's not box office. Even with

1:02:37

the reception to the electric state, they

1:02:39

could still go anywhere and do almost

1:02:41

anything. They're probably not going to get

1:02:43

$300 million again, but they still probably

1:02:46

could have done anything. So for them

1:02:48

to come back for this idea to

1:02:50

ignite and excite everyone across the board

1:02:52

to where they were willing to change

1:02:54

their plans. That still makes me hopeful.

1:02:56

I mean again, this is a huge

1:02:59

undertaking But at this point, you know,

1:03:01

I'm still I'm airing on the side

1:03:03

of faith. I think they both need

1:03:05

each other I think Marvel needs the

1:03:07

rusos and the rusosos need Marvel right

1:03:10

now and if that is going to

1:03:12

work That is going to have to

1:03:14

be the thing that they rely on

1:03:16

the most the foundational thing because the

1:03:18

rusosos coming off a bunch of losses

1:03:21

Marvel bit of a Spotty track record

1:03:23

recently. I think they're gonna, they need

1:03:25

each other now and hopefully that brings

1:03:27

out the best. Sometimes when you're cornered

1:03:29

as an artist or as a creative.

1:03:32

you're more inspired from a place of

1:03:34

wanting to prove yourself than you are

1:03:36

if you're soft and getting $300 million

1:03:38

and just getting like everything you want.

1:03:40

There's something about challenging you creatively that

1:03:43

can bring out the best in you

1:03:45

and you hope that's what's going to

1:03:47

happen with the Russo brothers and with

1:03:49

the script that Marcus is writing and

1:03:51

with Fagi watching over them because the

1:03:54

rumors are that he's apparently going to

1:03:56

watch over them in ways he had

1:03:58

watched over them before. So I'm with

1:04:00

you. sound creepy. Well, fair point.

1:04:03

I'm gonna watch you

1:04:05

in ways. I've never

1:04:07

watched you before. Jonah Platt incoming.

1:04:09

I do think one of the I

1:04:11

know I know where I know is

1:04:13

wrap up but one of the things

1:04:16

in the with the cast announcement that

1:04:18

I'm interested in X-Men aside is trying

1:04:20

to figure out the groupings because like

1:04:22

the way you do a movie like

1:04:25

this is you group people so like

1:04:27

infinity war had Spidey and Dr. Strange

1:04:29

and Tony up with the Guardians and

1:04:31

then you know you had like the

1:04:33

cap and black widow when everybody here

1:04:36

going to Wakanda and you had Thor

1:04:38

with rocket and Groot and so

1:04:40

you sort of that and it

1:04:43

does seem like it does seem

1:04:45

like post thunderbolts the Thunderbolts are

1:04:47

officially a team of in some

1:04:49

way shape or form yeah and

1:04:52

then you also have Sam with

1:04:54

Waukein Torres kind of putting

1:04:56

together his team maybe that is

1:04:58

for and um shan-shi shan-shi and then

1:05:00

is What like does Duschuri and the

1:05:03

Wacondens factor into that? Are they their

1:05:05

own thing? And then you have the

1:05:07

Fantastic Four and like, are the Fantastic

1:05:09

Four coming to our universe at the

1:05:11

end of their movie? Or is them

1:05:13

coming to our universe part of this movie

1:05:15

in the same way that the X-Men? So

1:05:18

are we going to have like three universes

1:05:20

colliding? So I do think that there is

1:05:22

a lot to sort of conjecture about and

1:05:24

then assuming that there's other surprises and other

1:05:26

cast members that we haven't seen yet. So

1:05:28

it. I mean, Namor is probably with

1:05:30

the Wacondans. Yeah, I sort of

1:05:33

put Mbaku Shuri and Namor together

1:05:35

as a chunk that could move

1:05:37

this way or move this way

1:05:39

or be their own thing. And

1:05:41

it would be great for them

1:05:44

to come across the fantastic

1:05:46

force, so Namor could meet

1:05:48

Sue Storm. Yes. I think

1:05:50

that Sue Storm and Namor

1:05:52

having something is probably a

1:05:54

high likelihood. Yeah. And they'll probably

1:05:56

run across it to chala or to chaka or

1:05:59

whatever it is and in secret wars or

1:06:01

maybe even in doomsday it's hinted at or

1:06:03

something so we'll see with that but I

1:06:05

mean this is a lot when this film

1:06:07

is supposed to come out May of 2026

1:06:09

and we are in March of 2025 that

1:06:11

to me makes me a little trepidation with

1:06:13

the CGI whatever is going to ground base

1:06:16

so it's interesting situations now because you've got

1:06:18

thunderbolts coming and announcing the whole cast of

1:06:20

Thunderbolts a lot of people felt like well

1:06:22

now I guess they all live but well

1:06:24

I think you're trying to get people almost

1:06:26

all live yeah right R. I. Tastmaster's test

1:06:28

master's chair must have gotten lost on the

1:06:30

load of the sound stage I'm going to

1:06:33

go there and go handsome anyway so and

1:06:35

then for Spider-man force coming out on July

1:06:37

31st of 2026 in the secret ward in

1:06:39

2027. So it's crazy to think that in

1:06:41

two years guys we have we will might

1:06:43

we might have gone through these two movies

1:06:45

if they don't move the release date. So

1:06:48

it's kind of crazy that maybe they'll be

1:06:50

light on visual effects. It's gonna be a

1:06:52

it's gonna be a conference table. It's gonna

1:06:54

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1:06:56

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1:06:58

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