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Hey Alexa, get all my data

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it straight to Basos, because I

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Hello, welcome to episode 683 of

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the week of March 17th 2025,

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happy St. Patrick's Day. I have

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a green shirt right. I'm not

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wearing green I have a green

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shirt right here earlier You can't

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in my camera. You can't see

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it. But you just have to

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take my word for it

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I'm your host Ryan Scott

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with these Ryan Higgins Ryan

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Higgins. He's the leprech We

1:05

have to explain severance

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to Ryan Higgins. Hey

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series. It's not load

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nude teen nude teen. What

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are you trying to get us

1:16

banned? We are you gonna get

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us on a list? I've never

1:20

seen Tim and Eric. I don't

1:22

think I've ever watched an episode

1:24

with Paul Rudd. No. You see

1:26

in the computer? Oh, you should

1:28

look it up. I could explain

1:30

it here. It would be super

1:32

funny for me to explain it

1:34

all on a podcast. Explain all the

1:36

jokes, please. Nude. Tain. Okay, got it.

1:39

Have you not seen that? Oh my goodness.

1:41

I've never seen Tim and Eric.

1:43

I don't think I've ever watched

1:45

an episode. I've ever watched. I don't

1:47

think I've ever watched. It's like

1:50

Saturday Night Live or Last

1:52

Week tonight. I've never watched

1:54

the whole episode. I've just

1:56

seen clips. Because you guys share

1:58

them all constantly. Well, in

2:00

case you haven't heard, Amazon is

2:02

not letting you opt out of

2:04

sending all of your Alexa data

2:06

to the cloud so they can

2:09

advertise you more efficiently and also

2:11

probably fuel their large language models.

2:13

So maybe stop using that. I

2:15

don't keep up with that. I

2:17

do, you guys are weird haters,

2:19

but I do agree. If you have

2:21

like one of those listening devices

2:24

in your house just because you

2:26

can't get up to like turn

2:28

off your lights. I don't know

2:30

what's wrong with you. That's it's

2:32

done. I get that old people

2:34

are dumb, but why are young

2:36

people stupid too? Like it's crazy.

2:38

I have a friend, our age,

2:40

he's probably listening to this podcast.

2:42

Hello, Mike, Z. You're outy. Sucks

2:44

at all of this because you

2:46

use the pot, you use Alexa

2:48

to ask the weather. Just use

2:50

your phone. Just pick up your

2:52

phone and look at the screen

2:54

where you should have the weather

2:56

saved. So you use a Chinese

2:59

owned app to look at your

3:01

weather like all of us. I

3:03

don't want Amazon tracking me. I'm

3:05

not an American owned app. Come

3:07

on. I need foreign agents tracking

3:09

me. Yeah, the FBI and the

3:11

CIA like normal. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

3:13

But most of them are fired

3:15

now, right? We don't, yeah. We're

3:17

getting rid of the appearance.

3:19

They're all, they're all, they're

3:21

all gone. They don't have

3:24

time to watch me. How'd'll work?

3:26

That's, that's, that's the way things

3:28

are now. You know what I

3:31

saw. Earlier I was saw all

3:33

this stuff this this escalated trade

3:35

war stuff with Canada That

3:37

somebody there was a

3:39

comedian apparently was suggested

3:41

you know why doesn't why

3:44

doesn't Canada just ban America

3:46

from Porn hub Porn hubs

3:48

in a Canadian. Oh, is

3:50

it? Oh, they probably don't

3:52

want to go out of

3:54

business Yeah, but it would end

3:56

the trade war tomorrow. There would

3:58

be no trade war It would

4:00

just, that's what we'd, it's like,

4:02

it's like, you know, Blu-ray winning

4:04

over HD DVD, it's porn video

4:06

games. It'll just control it like

4:09

everything. Just saying, Canada, if you're

4:11

listening, and I know you are,

4:13

I know Canada, you collectively are

4:15

a big fan of this podcast.

4:17

This is us, the American spies telling

4:19

you. He who controls with porn

4:21

controls the world. Just ban us

4:24

from Porn Hub and this will

4:26

all be over. Just do it

4:28

tomorrow. So yeah, that's

4:30

my that's my contribution

4:33

to democracy actually.

4:35

Thank you. Remember

4:38

you heard it here first.

4:40

Potsave America. Yeah, so

4:42

on that note, severance,

4:45

the thing we're here to talk

4:47

about for this podcast

4:49

and then the next episode.

4:52

Yeah, you've got me on

4:54

for one more. Yeah, because

4:56

we're all my good. I

4:58

didn't realize I would be

5:00

stuck on here for so

5:02

long. Yeah. Is then we

5:04

also revealed the switch to

5:06

direct on? Oh, come on.

5:08

Oh, man. Let's talk about

5:10

that too. Yeah, heck, yeah.

5:12

But anyways, so you guys

5:14

are all so lot. Spoilers

5:16

for Severn, season two, everything.

5:18

Before that, we're about to

5:21

just spoil. Okay. So the

5:23

last two episodes. That's

5:25

because that's what's aired

5:27

since the last time we

5:30

talked, but there has been

5:32

some hand-wringing over episode

5:34

8 especially people really

5:36

were down on that

5:38

episode. They really hated it.

5:41

And that was, so it was

5:43

a. That was the Cobell episode. The

5:45

Cobell, a sweet victory all, that's what

5:47

it was called, is the episode about

5:49

Cobell going back to Earl, stomping ground,

5:52

and salt neck, because they think of

5:54

the weirdest names in this show. Do

5:56

you read reviews of these things? Do

5:58

you follow what people? thing what I

6:00

mean I've seen like I've seen like

6:03

read it threads of people just complaining

6:05

there was apparently it's like a super

6:07

low-rated episode on IMDB like that's really

6:09

authoritative about all things but there's just

6:12

that's like been the most polarizing episode

6:14

of the show that exists so far

6:16

and I can I can see that

6:19

the because the gym episode was so

6:21

good it was And in 37 minutes,

6:23

yeah, it's the shortest episode is, but

6:25

you know, the thing, the thing about

6:28

that episode, I've said this to a

6:30

couple people, but I think the reason

6:32

why it was, it felt so weird

6:34

and people didn't like it as much,

6:37

is that like, it's, it's, it's obviously

6:39

a huge deal for that character, for

6:41

Harmony Cobell, it's like this, this, her

6:43

story and all of her. things she's

6:46

gone through in her life coming to

6:48

ahead and she's coming back to this

6:50

town where she worked at this lumen

6:52

factory when she was a kid and

6:55

it's all this is all this huge

6:57

stuff for her but it's like it

6:59

feels like this story where you know

7:01

we haven't been a fly on the

7:04

wall for any of it we haven't

7:06

had any context for any of it

7:08

so she it's big for her but

7:10

the audience is going like what what

7:13

now this is all new this is

7:15

the first time we're hearing about any

7:17

of any of this so it's We've

7:19

written as a result. Yeah, we're super

7:22

investing. Who's Jimma? What's she been through?

7:24

What's going on with her? And so

7:26

we really want to know. But with

7:28

Cobell, we're like, she's never really been

7:31

like a character. She's just been this

7:33

like this antagonistic force in the show.

7:35

You don't really know very much about

7:37

her. You don't know anything about her

7:40

past. They've never, they haven't teased much

7:42

about her. That's the thing like so

7:44

it's like so it's like a good

7:46

story from from her point of view

7:49

I'm sure it's big it's a big

7:51

deal but for us we haven't we

7:53

haven't it hasn't been like built up

7:55

for us at all so we kind

7:58

of go oh Well, you have a

8:00

lot of teases about these characters on

8:02

the on the periphery, which is totally

8:04

fine. Like, I don't, like, I'm really

8:07

curious what Millchick's life is like. Yeah.

8:09

Yeah. Like, he is, he's basically an

8:11

antagonist. Like, I want to see a

8:13

lot less of his story than I

8:16

do want to see marks and gemmas

8:18

and... and even Dylan and Irving like

8:20

where is all this going then? Oh

8:22

that's another thing people have been annoyed

8:25

about is that they're like oh we

8:27

haven't like seen MDR together in like

8:29

three episodes right where's my MDR people?

8:31

The flow of the show is different

8:34

but like part of it is that

8:36

we are like you are taking out

8:38

an entire episode to just have Cobell

8:40

who has been a pretty negative character

8:43

and like it's like I like I

8:45

like I think the framing of the

8:47

show is still so good like everything

8:49

the shots are just so great that

8:52

everything looks good yeah yeah for me

8:54

the thing that a great thing for

8:56

all that like I really could have

8:58

used some flashbacks to explain a little

9:01

bit more of how you got from

9:03

where harmony was working as a child

9:05

ether stirrer to inventing severance like that

9:07

felt like didn't feel quite earned to

9:10

me? Like that didn't feel quite true.

9:12

So like there are so there's there've

9:14

been kind of some warning signs for

9:16

me in this season. Like the first

9:19

one was that the Helly thing was

9:21

kept so under wraps for such a

9:23

long time. Like it was obvious from

9:25

episode one that Helena and Helly were.

9:28

Right. And everybody, that's something everybody guessed

9:30

immediately. The season premiere. They were like

9:32

that's not Helena. That's not Helly. So

9:34

it was weird when you got to

9:37

season too. You're like. Do you think

9:39

this is a puzzle? Like do you

9:41

think that people don't get that? And

9:43

that like it kept going on. Well,

9:46

the thing with her and I feel

9:48

like the reveal was fine because it

9:50

wasn't that they revealed she was an

9:52

outy. It was the way it was

9:55

the way they did it. I think

9:57

the reveal is fine. Just the idea

9:59

that. You don't think the audience

10:01

knew, like you thought the

10:04

audience might be confused about

10:06

that. Whereas some people, some

10:08

people in the audience were

10:10

confused about it, man. Some

10:12

people don't hit it. And some

10:14

people just kind of sleepwalk

10:16

through half the episode. Yeah.

10:18

Give me that smirk. Some

10:20

people totally didn't pick up on

10:23

it, but yeah. It was, I think

10:25

it was really heavily telegraphed. Oh yeah.

10:27

Like from the first like the first

10:29

time that she said any the first

10:31

time that she said her story and

10:33

she's like well I was out with

10:35

the night gardener and I looked over

10:38

at my wife and I said that's

10:40

that's Helena. Well yeah you knew because

10:42

she was lying you saw what she

10:44

saw and like and that's not something

10:46

Helli would have said like she would

10:48

have told Mark I don't think she

10:50

would have come out of the elevator

10:53

screaming I'm Helen Egan up there and

10:55

punchin. Yeah. So so you just have

10:57

that lead up and I don't

10:59

so so that for me goes

11:01

into episode 9 and I don't

11:03

Know what any character what so like through

11:05

through season like when you got to the

11:08

end of season one it was very clear

11:10

like you got we were going in the

11:12

finale we knew what people what was going

11:14

on they wanted to Get their outies out

11:16

to try to figure out to get the

11:19

word out that things sucked down here and

11:21

we all want right as we're being tortured

11:23

like very clear goals for characters the bad

11:25

guys are trying to stop them from doing

11:27

that and here I have no idea

11:29

what Mark wants. I don't know

11:32

what Cobell wants. I don't. Well,

11:34

I think, I think it's clear

11:36

that Mark wants to save his

11:39

wife. If he wants this, then

11:41

why does, why doesn't anybody

11:43

ever ask anybody anything? So

11:46

you had the episode in

11:48

episode nine. You're like, this

11:51

is everybody's big issue with

11:53

episode nine. It's like, what

11:55

do they just stand there

11:57

in this? It's cold harbor.

11:59

and then they just stand in silence

12:01

for the next five hours until it's dark

12:04

and then he's like just get in the

12:06

dark well did they not have a conversation

12:08

I don't have a lot of questions about

12:10

this I feel like are you gonna answer

12:13

some questions what is that what is what

12:15

do we do down there like what's what

12:17

are you doing up who are you and

12:19

Devin's major question was like is Gemma actually

12:21

alive and you had two people who very

12:24

clearly knew the answer to that regabi who

12:26

knew and Cobell, who's like, yes, but if

12:28

you finish Cold Harbor, she's going to die.

12:30

Like, no further questions. You don't,

12:32

like, that just seems, like,

12:35

unless there's something that's gonna

12:37

happen in the next episode

12:39

that refrains the entire show,

12:41

like, that's, I just don't understand

12:44

that switch in these characters? I

12:46

mean, you would think that there would

12:48

have been a scene there where she was

12:50

like, I need to talk to him, I

12:52

need to talk to his Annie, not to you.

12:54

You know, like or something that would

12:56

give them a reason to go like,

12:59

and we really need to set up

13:01

a meeting between the any and Cobell.

13:03

Devin has no questions and Audi Mark

13:06

also has no question. Yeah, well,

13:08

I mean, there was just like a

13:10

huge, like, explosion out. That was super

13:12

weird. Maybe it's just the win. And

13:14

that's the last we heard suggestion.

13:17

Agents are coming for me. I, so

13:19

like, I am, unlike Higgins, unlike

13:21

Higgins, I am very much enjoying

13:23

the show still. And I want to

13:25

see what's going to the end, but

13:27

I feel like I'm enjoying it more

13:29

for its presentation and less for the

13:31

story because I don't, I'm not just,

13:34

I'm not a hundred percent on

13:36

board that characters are making

13:38

choice. They're making choices that

13:40

make sense. So like also when you're

13:42

in season one, when you have these

13:44

any's like they're basically babies. So they

13:47

can do, they talk like weirdos and

13:49

they can make super weird choices because

13:51

they're not real people. Oh, they're not

13:54

real people? Are they just- Exactly. Oh,

13:56

oh, okay. They're not yours. Is that

13:58

your position? They're animal. Wow. No, that's

14:00

not my real. But they have

14:03

a whole different frame of reality.

14:05

So like I feel like their

14:07

weirdness made a little bit more

14:09

sense. Sure. And in this one,

14:11

we're not getting enough Rickin. Need

14:13

more, like every episode of pizza.

14:15

Just need some Rickin in it.

14:18

I guess, yeah, Rickin would make

14:20

everything better, right? He'd know what

14:22

to do. He'd ask the questions.

14:24

I like the Earth. Like I

14:26

saw some read it posts that

14:28

were complaining about the Earth connection.

14:30

Like, and I feel like one

14:32

of the things they're going for

14:35

in the show is that love

14:37

kind of transcends that severance barrier.

14:39

Like clearly they Burt and Earth

14:41

have that. And then Dylan and

14:43

his wife. Yeah, there's a little

14:45

bit of that. I guess, yeah,

14:47

that's thematically. I guess that's what.

14:50

What they were doing with all

14:52

those characters at the end of

14:54

that episode Yeah, I mean there

14:56

and there was a lot of

14:58

obviously moving pieces Around to where

15:00

they need to be for the

15:02

finale for the season finale It

15:05

feels like they were purposefully moving

15:07

people around and not like these

15:09

are things that characters would actually

15:11

have done That's particularly

15:13

with Devin and Cobell and Mark

15:15

like erv and Bertshire Dylan like Dylan

15:17

Dylan totally makes I think Dylan

15:19

is this That one makes sense

15:21

that one's makes sense for sure Those

15:24

are clearly what the characters would

15:26

be doing. I don't know what milchick

15:28

wants I don't really like and

15:30

I like that I think that mystery

15:33

is good I don't know what

15:35

he's going for I don't know how

15:37

much he's turning against Lumen But

15:39

that means it just it seems like

15:41

they're just like building up like

15:43

him having a problem here I think

15:46

that's I think they have that

15:48

slow burn and that makes sense. But

15:50

I don't need to know everything,

15:52

but I think we're going to learn

15:54

a lot more. And also Miss,

15:56

Miss Wong used to swong. Yeah, that

15:59

was. Now it's like, it's just

16:01

like, huh? Like that mystery works. I

16:03

don't need to know like the

16:05

in the particulars of her character

16:07

and what's going on. I mean, I

16:09

mean. people have like the most

16:11

insane theories about her. They're like, oh,

16:14

she's she's Mark and Gemma's daughter,

16:16

like all this stuff. And it's like,

16:18

well, I think they told us

16:20

everything that we need to know about

16:22

that character. She's clearly like a

16:24

product of Lumen's child labor, same as

16:27

Cobell is. She's there to like

16:29

sort of to put a period on

16:31

that to be like they're still

16:33

doing this. She's a she's a she's

16:35

a little cobell in the making

16:37

and now she's off. And if she

16:40

never comes back to the back

16:42

to the show. I think it's probably

16:44

fine. You know, but it's just

16:46

there to prove, you know, Lumen's

16:48

still doing this stuff. I think. That

16:50

there's just a weird company and

16:53

that they employ children and the children

16:55

are also brainwashed. Right. And like,

16:57

Sue, like, the performances are also so

16:59

good. Like, Miss Wong and Milchick

17:01

are, like, they have that creepy authority

17:04

that's just so like, like, intimidating.

17:06

Yeah. Who's yeah, she's got she's got

17:08

some creepy eyes. She's got some

17:10

she's who's the guy with the frolic

17:12

tattoo. What was his name? Mr.

17:14

Drummond Mr. Drummond. Oh his voices Yeah,

17:17

like such weird presence like he

17:19

I just want to know what's up

17:21

with like what is his position?

17:23

What is his job? At Lumen. They're

17:25

just tables? Oh, you get that

17:27

reference. But yeah, what does he do

17:30

like he seems very like senior

17:32

like is he hell is handler

17:34

or hell in his handler? I don't

17:36

know He's just scared. He's not

17:38

an egan like he's mr. Drummond, but

17:40

he is he's very high up

17:42

in the company Yeah And what are

17:45

people yes out of this like

17:47

what like they're I feel like what

17:49

they're building to is more than

17:51

just some simple thing

17:54

for humanity that will be sold

17:56

like clearly this is some religious

17:58

like fervor that is built around

18:00

this that will shape human, they

18:02

feel like will shape humanity. I

18:04

feel like I don't even know

18:06

what that would be exactly? I don't

18:08

know. I don't know. It's not going

18:10

to be as simple as just

18:13

you can forget your problems because

18:15

they already have, like I feel

18:17

like that part of severance is

18:19

pretty well established. If they

18:21

wanted to just market it as you

18:24

can get over your fear of flying

18:26

by putting it onto... the all of

18:28

the anxiety into this other part of

18:30

you who does nothing but fear flying.

18:32

Uh-huh. Like they can do that now.

18:34

I don't know what would be stopping

18:36

from that. Well, I don't know. Like

18:38

the purpose of being like, here is

18:40

this one person with all of these

18:42

different innies. Why are they doing that?

18:44

What's with that? Because it seems like

18:46

like, like, the whole thing with that

18:49

birthing cabin where the person walks in,

18:51

they're just like, oh, yeah. And they've done

18:53

that. That's their third baby. Cool. We

18:55

don't have to. We, yeah, like you

18:57

said, they've solved that problem. So what

18:59

is it, what more are they doing

19:02

with, with Cold Harbor? What is that?

19:04

What is the problem they're trying

19:06

to overcome? Right. I hope we get some

19:08

more. I mean, I, I guess if Cobell

19:10

had come out, you know, when they meet

19:12

and just explained it right then, it would,

19:14

that's the review right at the review

19:17

right at the end of the end

19:19

of the end of the. a lot

19:21

of the steam out of that. I

19:23

don't need it. I don't want it

19:25

to be a mystery though. Like I

19:27

feel like they get so much. That

19:30

is the mystery. That's the mystery of

19:32

the show. What is Cold Harper? Then

19:34

why do you have that? Why are

19:36

you having them interact with a character

19:38

who has those answers? Well yeah. They

19:40

could have that interaction could have maybe

19:43

gone better to demonstrate

19:45

why exactly she is stonewalling

19:47

them. Sure. I think I had did

19:49

you not get that right weren't you

19:52

like yes did no I was yeah and

19:54

we had to like you remember you

19:56

ever watch the you I'm sure you've

19:58

seen the fifth element. You know that

20:00

part where they hold up, like he

20:03

holds up the microphone to

20:05

Bruce Willis's character. And he's

20:07

like, oh yeah, what do you, what do

20:10

you think about? Flots and

20:12

Paradise. Cool. Yeah. That's,

20:14

that's like Zoolander. It's like

20:16

Zoolander where he explains everything

20:19

and then Higgins over here

20:21

like, but why nail models?

20:23

And then, and then, you know. So

20:26

what, they leave it, they leave it

20:28

in. Are you gonna, are you even

20:30

gonna finish the season Higgins?

20:32

Me? Yeah, of course. Do you, do

20:34

you care what happens though? No, no,

20:37

no. What if Jima dies? Don't you

20:39

care? No, not you care. Don't you

20:41

care? No, not at all. What if

20:43

Jima dies? Don't you care? No, I

20:46

just have nothing to say about the

20:48

show. We watching, we're like, well,

20:50

that's right. Okay. And then we

20:52

just turn it off and then

20:55

watch something else about what happens.

20:57

Zero. There's just zero thoughts on

20:59

your head. No, I barely remember

21:02

what happened. Why are you watching this

21:04

show? I don't know. Because he started,

21:06

now he has to finish. Yeah, exactly.

21:08

Yeah, I'm a loser. That's a bad

21:11

policy. Because it's on my TV

21:13

time list. I have to watch

21:15

all these shows. Daredevil, Matlock. We're

21:17

watching Detroiters right now. It's pretty much

21:19

the right evil. Yellowjacket,

21:21

Evil, all right? Simpsons, Invincible. Did you

21:24

start Daredevil? Three-body problem? Lower tracks, the

21:26

expand. All right, okay, all right. Yes,

21:28

yes, yes, we're like halfway through episode

21:31

three. Is it cool? Is it cool?

21:33

Yeah, it's really good. Yeah, yeah. It's,

21:35

uh... Did it have anything to do

21:38

with the previous series? Yeah, yeah, it's

21:40

a, it's a direct continuation from it.

21:42

Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. I didn't. I wasn't

21:44

actually sure if they were ignoring that

21:46

or what? No, no, no, no. Okay.

21:49

For the hour long, for like the

21:51

hour and a half long version, this

21:53

conversation was on the Comics movie podcast

21:55

last week. Yeah. No, dinner was really

21:57

good. Is that started? I didn't

21:59

even... Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think episode three's

22:01

out. Wow. Did like the first two and

22:03

then I think it's one. Oh, did they

22:05

not, did they not dump the whole

22:07

scene? No, no, no. No, no. No.

22:10

No. They're not. They realize how TV

22:12

works. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, I

22:14

do have, I have one last question

22:16

about severance. And then we're talking, we're

22:18

talking, we're still talking about severance. We

22:20

don't have to, we don't have to

22:22

drag this. I think as established you

22:24

watch with April, April is very good

22:26

at guessing and figuring out shows as

22:28

they go along. Does she have any

22:31

predictions that she hasn't, that nobody

22:33

has said yet, something out of

22:35

left field. She's like, actually,

22:38

it's the matrix. Now, she hasn't,

22:40

hasn't come up with anything yet,

22:42

but Chowski's are going to come

22:44

out next. Yeah, and Leo's just

22:47

going to show up and start

22:49

kunkoo kicking Mark and that. I

22:51

don't know. Oh, oh, there's also the thing at the

22:53

end with Helli where Jane Egan shows up. And

22:55

he's like, oh, my Helli. You tricked me. I'll

22:57

give you a prediction. She's just gonna straight up

23:00

kill him. Oh, yeah. I think Egan's gonna murder

23:02

him with that, you know, that, that, that, that,

23:04

that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that,

23:06

that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that,

23:08

that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that,

23:10

that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that,

23:12

that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that,

23:14

that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that,

23:16

that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that,

23:18

that, that, that, that, that, that, that,

23:21

Bludging him to death with that.

23:23

You heard it here first. Well,

23:25

maybe you heard it on read

23:27

it. I don't know. But yeah,

23:29

that's what's going to happen. I

23:32

could definitely see that. Somebody's

23:34

got to die. Nobody has

23:36

died yet. I'm sure she

23:38

would just be like, oh, how can

23:40

I how can I screw up for

23:43

a lot? I'll just straight up kill

23:45

her dad. That's that's what

23:47

I'm going to do to me. I'm

23:49

your boss. It was great. See, that's the

23:51

thing. That's the thing about Milchick. He's just

23:53

like in this stuck in the spot where

23:55

he's like, oh, I'm getting no respect or

23:57

cooperation from anyone above me or below him.

24:00

I'm just alone here. So that's

24:02

that's what's driving him is

24:04

that he's there's just nothing

24:06

for him here. He can't he

24:08

can't keep control of anything.

24:10

It's interesting how they keep all

24:13

of the other employees show behind

24:15

the scenes as well because like

24:18

Milchik is clearly communicating with

24:20

other employees to like when

24:22

he the when they're out

24:24

on the orpo. You know he's

24:26

telling somebody else to shut

24:28

things down. Right. Because Miss

24:30

Wong was with them. Right.

24:33

So like there's another group

24:35

of people who were also

24:38

watching and monitoring this, who

24:40

are, I assume it's not

24:42

just drummond and

24:45

the weird, doppelgangers hanging

24:47

out in their fake

24:49

MDR. And and and Dr.

24:51

Bist in there. He's down

24:54

there with Jim. And Sandra

24:56

Bernhard. I was going

24:58

to talk about that episode with

25:00

so good. I am holding off

25:03

any big proclamations until seeing

25:05

the end. Like I still have

25:07

faith. Oh, are you going to

25:09

make some predictions after the season

25:11

finale? I thought I made a, when

25:13

Irving left the first time, I think

25:15

I'm pretty sure I said on the

25:18

podcast that he is, and he is

25:20

retired, but he is not retired from

25:22

lumen because he is still

25:24

working a lumen. And I was correct.

25:26

Or, okay. Yeah, yeah, what, and what's,

25:28

that was, you know, of all the

25:30

stories, of all the character bits they

25:32

showed, that was the one where I

25:34

was like, huh, kind of the most,

25:36

because it's like, what is, what is

25:38

this character's motivation? I don't get

25:40

it. Why is he suddenly like, oh,

25:43

I'm going to help you? You got

25:45

to skip town. Like, well, he also

25:47

feels like, like, the whole, like,

25:49

I know. I see that as

25:51

he still feels that connection from

25:53

severance. Like clearly Irving has the

25:55

biggest gap between that. Like he

25:57

has been fighting to bring down

25:59

that barrier. But Bert himself

26:01

is someone who, like I do believe

26:03

his story that he went under,

26:05

he underwent severance to try

26:07

and disassociate himself from what

26:09

he knows he's doing as

26:11

bad and evil things. Like

26:13

that he's gonna keep working

26:15

at Lumen, but maybe I don't have

26:18

to be the bad guy at Lumen.

26:20

And that he made a connection with

26:22

someone who saw the innocent side of him

26:24

who had that close. connection

26:27

to him and so he's just

26:29

trust he's going with his guy

26:31

he's stressing his instinct

26:33

and he knows like this is

26:36

Irving is a good guy yeah yeah I

26:38

guess but I don't know how much

26:40

Irving is taken in by all

26:42

that like clearly he's gonna be

26:44

back he's not he's on that

26:47

train you all smiling like what

26:49

When he looked smile and looking out

26:51

the window and went to the shot

26:53

of the train, you know, I was

26:55

like, oh, it's going to explode. I

26:57

thought there would be something else going

26:59

on there. But maybe he just gets

27:01

off the train the next stop and

27:04

comes back because he has been he's

27:06

been talking to someone else on the

27:08

phone who has not been revealed to

27:10

us yet. Oh. That's got to be

27:12

like either regabi or Cobell. It's got

27:15

to be somebody we know. It can't,

27:17

it's not just going to be some

27:19

new characters. If it was COBEL that

27:21

would offer some interesting recontextualization.

27:25

Yeah. But also, so weird. Yeah. Ragabi

27:27

is just a weird character who just

27:29

like comes in, offers no explanations,

27:31

and then leave. And then leaves.

27:34

Yeah. I understand her lack of

27:36

explanation at least. but her ability

27:38

to appear and then disappear and

27:40

nobody to ask further, like, she,

27:43

Ragami was just hanging out and

27:45

Mark's basement. It's like, yeah.

27:47

Eating cake frosting, apparently. No, no

27:49

questions. I have no further desire

27:52

to, uh, to go into this with you.

27:54

Just do some brain surgery, please.

27:56

Dig right in there. Yeah, flood the

27:58

chip, whatever that means. I

28:00

didn't do much. Um,

28:03

um, I mean, froth on the

28:05

floor a little bit. Now,

28:09

uh, Bert's going to show up now that he's got

28:11

Irving gone. He's going to show up at the birthing

28:13

cabin. And he's going to be like, guess what?

28:16

I got a fever. And the

28:18

only prescription is more cobalt. I

28:20

like that last shot at

28:22

the birthing cabin with a

28:25

cobalt fireplace shot of like,

28:27

well, that was, that was

28:29

so like dramatic. I don't

28:31

understand why they were going

28:33

for with that. It's cool.

28:35

It looks really neat. It

28:38

was so goofy and overdramatic. See, that's,

28:40

that's the kind of thing that's gotten

28:42

me into. Well, I, no matter what,

28:44

I'm going to enjoy the look of

28:46

the show. Even if the story has

28:48

gone off the rails now and they

28:50

are just going to crazy town. I

28:53

liked how I liked the, the bit at the very

28:55

end of the birthing cabin when he like goes into

28:57

his any, and he's just like, what, uh, and he's

28:59

like trying to leave and she's like, no, no, no,

29:01

don't go out there. He's just going to walk right

29:03

back in. Like that's what he said to Heli, you

29:06

know, and on her first day, like

29:08

she's just going to walk right

29:10

back in here. Yeah. There's lots of

29:12

good callbacks to what characters said

29:14

before. And all that stuff. It's

29:18

like poetry, it rhymes. Um,

29:23

but, uh, yeah,

29:27

I'm, I'm looking forward

29:29

to the season finale. 76 minutes, apparently. Yeah. That

29:31

they had it wrong. That it was originally 76

29:33

minutes. And then they took it down to 40

29:35

minutes. I was like, this is. then

29:38

he came back, it's 76 minutes,

29:40

it's shot back, it's shot down

29:42

right after the last season premiered.

29:45

It went down to like 46

29:47

minutes. And I was like, right,

29:49

but Ben Siller, Ben Siller, someone asked

29:51

him on Twitter and he confirmed, and

29:53

he confirmed. Yeah. It's, it's, it actually

29:55

is a long episode. So, so

29:57

I have a little, like I have some faith. You'll be able to,

29:59

we'll be able to. do a lot in

30:01

76 minutes. If it were

30:04

like a 30 minute episode,

30:06

I'd be a trepidation. It's

30:09

like a double episode. Brian's

30:11

gonna take like all week

30:14

to get through it and five

30:16

minute increments. No,

30:18

all two weeks. We'll

30:21

probably watch it and do

30:23

so things. God and baby

30:25

Jesus, what is wrong with

30:27

you? I agree. You know, there's a

30:30

lot of people online who are just

30:32

like, they're just so angry,

30:34

they're acting like it's gone off

30:36

the rails and that it's like

30:38

some lost level sort of like

30:41

mysteries on mysteries that they're

30:43

never going to solve, like

30:45

that it's gotten to that point.

30:47

And it's like, well, it's not

30:49

even remotely that. Yeah, I

30:51

don't think that at all. This is

30:53

a mystery show, people, and we're coming

30:56

up to the season finale, which they've

30:58

been building toward. They're not just going

31:00

to be like, here's everything you want

31:02

to know about the show. It's all,

31:05

it's all here, all the answers, like

31:07

right now. They have another season

31:09

of this show to do. Like, we are

31:11

not even, like, the episode count right

31:14

now for this show is less than

31:16

lost's first season. What's the problem? People

31:18

are like freaking, there's some people who

31:20

are just freaking out way too much

31:22

on social media about this show. You

31:25

shouldn't be reading them. But I do

31:27

agree, like I do agree, like I

31:29

feel like at times the show is

31:31

being obtuse for the sake of being

31:33

up to us. Cobell is a weird

31:35

character all of a sudden, coming back

31:38

in. Yeah, there's a little bit of,

31:40

I can see why people were like,

31:42

like, Devin and Mark, like implicitly seeming

31:44

to trust Cobell. I like I would I

31:46

just want to see why because she's lied

31:48

to them I mean so much I mean

31:50

I mean the answer with Devin when she's

31:52

like let's call Cobell she doesn't have any

31:55

other context than anybody else has she's just

31:57

freaking out and she's like how can we

31:59

get help She's the only other person

32:01

I know that knows anything about

32:03

this stuff, so I need to

32:05

call her. But she doesn't know

32:07

everything. But she knows that she,

32:09

she knows that he, this was

32:11

someone who was just taking care

32:13

of her baby and was actually,

32:15

Mark's boss, was pretending to be

32:17

a myth. Yes, but her, her

32:20

brother is sitting there dying on

32:22

the couch with this weird brain

32:24

surgeon. And so she's probably like,

32:26

I'll do anything to help him.

32:28

I, this is all I know.

32:30

I had no clue, this woman

32:32

knows this stuff, right? Let's call

32:34

her, because this crazy woman doing

32:36

the brain surgery, I don't trust

32:38

her. You know, like, that's all,

32:40

she doesn't have any more context

32:42

beyond that. She's like desperate. So,

32:44

I think that's clear. Like, people

32:46

who get confused about that, like,

32:48

it's clear. Like, that's the only

32:50

option she has. She decided it

32:52

very quickly, and she seemed very

32:54

sure that Cobell is the right

32:56

answer, and it didn't seem to

32:58

have any doubt. Like, and for

33:00

me, as soon as she said

33:02

Cobell, like, that's a weird thing

33:04

for Devin to say. Yeah, but

33:06

what, what, what, what else would

33:08

you do? Have some doubt at

33:10

least, have her be like, I,

33:12

like, or at least argue with

33:14

Raghabi saying, I, you drilled a

33:16

hole in his head, what, I,

33:19

like, having, just showing that, that

33:21

amount of self doubt of, of,

33:23

like, I can't trust you, and

33:25

I don't know anybody else, I

33:27

guess, I, Cobell, Like coming to

33:29

that realization. I mean, maybe she

33:31

could have said that a little

33:33

better, but I think that was

33:35

ultimately what it was. And then

33:37

the answer is like, well, we

33:39

could go to the birthing cabins

33:41

and bring out your any. Like,

33:43

you can also talk to Mark

33:45

and now talk to Cobell. I

33:47

feel like they have some answers.

33:49

I feel like I'm getting that

33:51

dead horse, but just weird that

33:53

no one's asking anybody questions ever.

33:55

Yeah, I mean I would be

33:57

I would be asking a thousand

33:59

questions and you'd probably need to

34:01

provide a good read Good reason

34:03

why the person stonewalling me. I

34:05

would definitely be like, tell me

34:07

what Cold Harbor is, what's happening

34:09

to her? What are they doing

34:11

down there? How long she been

34:13

down there? Did they kidnap her?

34:15

How did they get her down

34:17

there? Why did you want to

34:20

be down there? What is any

34:22

of this? What do we do

34:24

down there as any? You know,

34:26

Mark, and you knew that that

34:28

was his wife that we all

34:30

thought was dead. Like that's... Yeah.

34:32

That's a weird thing to do.

34:34

That's not a normal thing people

34:36

do. That you can not tell

34:38

them about. Right. Yeah, they could

34:40

assure that all up in one

34:42

scene where she's just like not

34:44

telling you anything right now. We

34:46

need to go to the birth.

34:48

I need to talk to you.

34:50

If you really just don't even

34:52

if you want her to keep

34:54

that information not tell them. Yes.

34:56

The only way the only way

34:58

how he is I talk to

35:00

is any. So I don't know

35:02

why. Why. Why? And it seems

35:04

like she was, like, she would

35:06

have no other reason to say

35:08

the season one finale when Mark

35:10

wakes up at Deb and Touse,

35:12

and, you know, he's there with

35:14

Cobell, and she's like, you should

35:16

get out of there, Mark, you

35:19

should leave, because he's telling her,

35:21

he's thinking about quitting lumen, and

35:23

she's like, yeah, get out. Like,

35:25

it seemed like maybe she would

35:27

have no other reason to say

35:29

that other than sincerity. You know.

35:31

Like maybe because he had just

35:33

been fired at that point, right?

35:35

So maybe she's just been like,

35:37

I'm gonna burn this whole place

35:39

down this whole time, like since

35:41

then. So maybe she's more sympathetic

35:43

to him than she seems like

35:45

a genuine sympathy towards him or

35:47

genuine. She cares about him. Right.

35:49

She's just so such an inscrutable

35:51

character that it's hard to see

35:53

that she just seems I

35:56

don't know. She's just a weird

35:59

character so that doesn't necessarily come

36:01

through as clearly as it could

36:03

if that is in fact where

36:06

she's at so yeah I don't

36:08

know it's she's Patricia gets a

36:11

good actress yeah she gets that

36:13

weirdness yeah whatever this character is

36:15

I don't know what's going on

36:18

in her head though hopefully that

36:20

will be an interesting conversation next

36:23

week this week this episode this

36:25

coming final episode in season two.

36:27

I can't wait to remind Higgins

36:30

about it. Yeah we're gonna be

36:32

like like every week you and

36:35

I are gonna be like Thursday

36:37

night are gonna be like oh

36:39

my god oh my god oh

36:42

my god oh my god and

36:44

then like three days later Higgins

36:47

is gonna be like time to

36:49

watch several ends. Yeah I'll watch

36:51

them when we watch it. Posting

36:54

your gift of Tom taping his

36:56

eyes up. So what are you

36:59

excited about Higgins? What am I

37:01

excited about Higgins? What am I

37:03

excited about? First week? Yeah, it'll

37:06

be fine. Yeah, it'll be okay.

37:08

Watch it. So what are you

37:11

excited about Higgins? What am I

37:13

excited about? Yeah. Just like TV

37:15

shows or just like anything? Anything.

37:18

Baseball baby? Watch three baseball games.

37:20

Okay, never mind. Sorry. Let's shut

37:23

it down. Is baseball season just

37:25

started? No, no, no. But watching

37:27

the, uh, watching the, uh, the

37:30

games that they've been playing, the

37:32

teams of Japan. I'm playing, um,

37:35

Memorial Giants. Uh, uh, yeah. Yeah,

37:37

yeah. That's cool. Yeah, so playing

37:39

the big Tokyo game games. When

37:42

does baseball season start here? Next

37:44

week. Are you a

37:46

baseball fan Justin? No. Is

37:48

that not you? What are

37:50

you? What are you? What

37:52

are you a fan? Is

37:55

it basketball? What are you

37:57

a fan of some sports?

37:59

No. I like basketball. Okay,

38:01

I'll watch them basketball.

38:03

Okay. Well. So you might be mistaking

38:05

this because sometimes I wear a

38:07

San Francisco Giants hat. It's a

38:09

black and orange has an SF

38:11

on it. I really like the

38:14

logo and it's fun to wear

38:16

Halloween colors. The black and orange.

38:18

That's my favorite part of the

38:20

of the Giants regalia. But I

38:22

don't watch baseball. Is that it's

38:24

Halloween color? That's it. Yeah, you

38:26

get to just like wear black

38:28

and orange all the time and

38:30

it's not. I feel like there

38:32

are other ways you could probably accomplish

38:35

that goal. I like the

38:37

logo. It's nice. Put some

38:39

purple on, it's very Halloween.

38:41

Yeah, okay. Hmm. No, I don't watch. I

38:44

watched the Indian Wells Masters,

38:46

the tennis tournament. I watched

38:48

a grown ass woman almost

38:51

hit a ball kid with

38:53

a ball in blind rage.

38:55

Nice. That was cool. Yeah.

38:57

Wow. But a bunch of

39:00

babies. Yeah, yeah. Cool. Well,

39:02

that's been our geekbox sports

39:05

ball talk. So you have

39:07

to enjoy that. Greg

39:09

Ford back for something

39:11

like that to discuss

39:13

balls and whatever things

39:16

are in sports. That's

39:18

why they're called sports

39:20

balls. Ryan, what else

39:22

excite you that's not a

39:24

sport? Oh, yeah, I don't know

39:27

what the hell am I doing?

39:29

Watching Gundam? A little bit, a

39:31

little bit, a little bit. Okay.

39:34

Watching. Yeah, I watched Daredevil.

39:36

We talked about that a lot.

39:38

You mean De Red Evil? Dered

39:41

evil? Yeah. Is how you say

39:43

it? De Red Evil. Don't be

39:45

a moron. Yeah, that's how you

39:48

pronounce it. Daredevil. Daredevil.

39:50

Dead. Dared. Kind of idiot are

39:53

you. The red evil. The red

39:55

evil? Yeah. Nice. Nice. That's how

39:57

you say it. I'm telling you.

40:00

Okay, they're ready. What else you've

40:02

been up to? What have you

40:04

been playing? I finished writing quest

40:06

three. So I started to play

40:08

a couple other games. I'm going

40:11

to do Final Fantasy II next,

40:13

the Bixler Master, but for I

40:15

kind of, you know, a little

40:17

pallet cleanser because I played a

40:19

few RPGs in a row. I'm

40:21

playing a little bit of and

40:23

it'll be the show 24 because

40:26

that was free on PlayStation. So

40:28

I figured I should use my

40:30

my PS5 once this decade. So

40:32

I'm playing a little bit of

40:34

the show, you know, getting ready

40:37

for baseball. Above I'm

40:39

playing Gundam Breakers 4. It's

40:41

a it's a it's a How

40:44

did they ever top the first

40:46

three? Yeah, yeah, I never played

40:48

any of these. But I was,

40:51

I was kind of following

40:53

it when it was coming

40:55

out. It's a, it's like

40:57

a game within a game.

41:00

So you're playing someone

41:02

who's playing a game

41:04

and it's, it's, it's,

41:06

like, it's like hack

41:08

sign. Yeah. Yeah. And

41:10

so the, the, the. The

41:12

game that the people in the game

41:14

are playing is a Gundam game

41:16

that is using like the model

41:18

kits. And so your breakers, you break,

41:21

you can like, you fight them. It's

41:23

just like, you know, it's just like

41:25

a. it's just button-mashing and you fight

41:27

them and you put together pieces and

41:29

you can make your own condom kits

41:32

and you go out it's you know

41:34

it's got like goofy story someone's so

41:36

it's hacking the game while you're playing

41:38

it so all this weird stuff starts

41:41

happening so hey that was light and

41:43

fun I just wanted some button-mashing game

41:45

before I go back to another RPG but

41:47

uh it's funny at the beginning of the

41:49

game because you can't really like customize

41:51

what you look like yet so you

41:53

just sort of mashed together a bunch of

41:56

The best pieces you

41:58

have it's like it's It's like

42:00

when you're playing wow and you know.

42:02

You have that clown armor? Yeah, exactly,

42:05

exactly. So I've all these like fucked

42:07

up non. He just don't work together.

42:09

I'm like just, all the other NPCs

42:11

are walking around there like perfectly customized

42:14

kits and I'm like this fucking nightmare.

42:16

Ryan, the court gesture. Yeah, I look

42:18

like something I don't like the broken.

42:21

doll factory and toy story where it's

42:23

all like the fucked up little dolls

42:25

that are smashed together. Yeah, so it

42:27

was pretty funny. Yeah, no, it's fine.

42:30

It's fine. It's fine. Voltron had a

42:32

red arm, a green arm, a yellow

42:34

leg, a blue leg. It's fine. Okay.

42:36

No monster hunter hunter? Is it just

42:39

sorry? No, I'm not a monster hunter

42:41

guy. I meant everyone's playing monster hunter

42:43

hunter hunter hunter hunter. I've tried in

42:45

the past. I could not get into

42:48

it. I'm with you. Yeah, I've tried

42:50

genuinely a few times. Yeah, me too.

42:52

It's a most fun, you have to

42:55

play with other people. Yeah. And you

42:57

have to play with people who are

42:59

both willing to teach you and you

43:01

have to be willing to put in

43:04

the work. Every, every monster hunter game.

43:06

Look, if I wanted that, I would

43:08

play a soul's game, Justin. Yeah, it's,

43:10

it's comparable, but every monster hunter game

43:13

is pitched to me is, oh no,

43:15

this is the... This is the one.

43:17

This is the friendly one. This is

43:20

the one for new players. And I

43:22

go to play and I'm like, I

43:24

have fucking no idea. Monster Hunter Rise

43:26

and Monster Hunter World, I think we're

43:29

both pretty friendly. Monster Hunter Rise. I

43:31

disagree. They're very like, they're very, like,

43:33

I mean, they're very Capcom. They're very,

43:35

they're very Japanese games in the way

43:38

they like present information. It's very, they're

43:40

very, they're very, very, Tell don't show.

43:42

Like you get it, you know, you

43:45

get into town and they're like, wow,

43:47

here's a thousand things that you have

43:49

no idea what these are and we're

43:51

just going to explain all of them

43:54

to you right now and we use

43:56

weird terminology for everything. There's a hundred

43:58

exclamation marks over here. We'll also be,

44:00

we're going to, we're going to explain

44:03

this to you. It is going to

44:05

be in a text box and you

44:07

need to read seven pages. Right. That's

44:10

exactly the problem. That presentation is what

44:12

I'm talking about. It's just like, very

44:14

tell, don't, don't show. And so you

44:16

read all this, it's hard to internalize

44:19

it without. That's why you have to

44:21

do the most. It works a lot

44:23

better to just play with people who

44:25

know what they're doing, who can explore.

44:28

You go on a hunt and you

44:30

work together and you're like, oh, what

44:32

is this? Like, no, use this to

44:34

do that because. But alternatively, you'd think

44:37

the game with developers would learn from

44:39

many years of doing it this way

44:41

that, oh, maybe we need to have

44:44

to show them by doing, and they

44:46

do it a different way in the

44:48

next game, which I thought this was

44:50

going to be, and they didn't. It

44:53

has gotten better. If you've played the

44:55

previous ones, I feel like it does

44:57

on-ramp you much better than the earlier

44:59

games. But

45:02

you know you're compromised though because you

45:04

already know all this. You don't know

45:06

what you don't know. But I feel

45:09

like I feel like there's more tutorial

45:11

stuff than like some of the like

45:13

early monster hunter games where a lot

45:16

more just figure it out read these

45:18

read these boxes in it like you'll

45:20

eventually get it by just doing it.

45:23

And there's more like oh go on

45:25

this mission to do this really simple

45:27

basic thing. Uh-huh. And that teaches you

45:30

how to use this thing. I, you

45:32

know, I tried, what was the one

45:34

that launched with the Wii U? Was

45:37

it Monster 103? Yeah. Try? Yeah, I

45:39

tried that one. I tried Monster Hunter

45:41

World. And what was the other one?

45:44

There was Monster Hunter Rise on switch.

45:46

Monster Hunter Four. Monster Hunter generations. It

45:48

might have been it was might have

45:50

been one of those there was like

45:53

two or three that I I know

45:55

Try and worlds were ones that I

45:57

tried generations was on switch rise was

46:00

the most most recent one on switch

46:02

that was a lot more friendly to

46:04

playing some aspects of it by yourself.

46:07

Yeah. Okay. Well, I just know that

46:09

it has kept leaving me cold. So

46:11

I'm just not, I think I've given

46:14

up on it. Alas. I played with

46:16

Adam for a bit. It was fun.

46:18

For me, the thing that did. pulls

46:21

me out is the same thing that

46:23

pulls me out with all games when

46:25

you just get into that loop of

46:28

doing the same thing over and over

46:30

again. Eventually you just have to hunt

46:32

monsters so that you can get more

46:35

of the special parts so you can

46:37

build better armor so that you can

46:39

then go on and fight a harder

46:42

monster and just keep farming. So it's

46:44

like a Diablo 3 I loved when

46:46

I got to that where it's just

46:49

like do adventure mode and just keep

46:51

getting the better stuff so you can

46:53

keep upping the difficulty to get better

46:56

stuff to keep up and that's when

46:58

it lost me it's fun to work

47:00

if you have a team and you're

47:03

working together like that's it's a lot

47:05

of fun but I mean I mean

47:07

also you know I played Ted by

47:10

daylight so what do I I'm crazy

47:12

yeah that's like the specific brain damage

47:14

that I will I will accept that's

47:17

so many of these games how you're

47:19

not gonna keep on play them that's

47:21

basically the game you get the parts

47:24

to get better to fight the harder

47:26

guys to get some gear to get

47:28

better to fight the next guys like

47:31

yeah that's that's that's most games you

47:33

know yeah the root trees are dead

47:35

I'm really I'm gonna try this out

47:38

but you've mentioned that you've mentioned that

47:40

before like you know puzzle games and

47:42

story games there's a there's a lot

47:45

of different games there's a lot of

47:47

different games you haven't you haven't tried

47:49

it yet yet I don't let me

47:52

let me tell you The root trees

47:54

are dead. There's like two campaigns for

47:56

lack of a better word. There's two

47:58

different. mysteries. There's one that opens up

48:01

after you solve the initial one that's

48:03

like, oh, here's this other whole thing

48:05

where there were all these affairs that

48:08

you have to sort out. And it's

48:10

so much harder than the first one.

48:12

I like gave up on it because

48:15

I just could not make heads or

48:17

tails of it. But I want to

48:19

see how long it takes you to solve

48:21

that first mystery. And if you can

48:24

get further than I did in the

48:26

second one, because boy. Including the

48:28

super secret stuff at the end

48:30

that like they don't give you

48:33

any help on words like you

48:35

have to type in the name

48:37

of this person because you have

48:39

to just know from all the

48:42

clues and I got it. See

48:44

how good you are. I'm not that

48:46

good. Yeah, but all the optional

48:48

stuff. Oh, it was great. Yeah.

48:50

That's your assignment. Two weeks from now,

48:52

when we come back to talk about

48:55

the severance finale, I want to talk

48:57

about the root trees or dead. That would

48:59

be fun. I spend all my time thinking

49:01

about the severance. Well, think about

49:03

the root trees. After severance, there will

49:06

be nothing to look forward to for

49:08

three years. Was that the root trees?

49:10

The root trees are dead. I've talked

49:13

about this before. You just don't remember

49:15

anything. Yeah. Oh my god. Okay. It's

49:17

a mystery game. It's on steam. It's

49:19

called The Root Trees are Dead. The

49:22

Root Trees is the name of... It's

49:24

fine. It's fine. They are. This is

49:26

not a beacon. I don't care anymore.

49:28

It's the name of a family that's

49:31

died. This rich family that's died in

49:33

like this plain crap. and you

49:35

have to you have to go through

49:37

and assemble their family tree for like

49:40

insurance for like for like inheritance purposes

49:42

it's like it's like a mystery ancestry.com

49:44

it's fucking terrible it's it's great it's

49:46

really if you like like super like

49:49

mystery games where you have to like

49:51

read clues and like to do no

49:53

it's like now it's a lot of

49:55

fun no are there cookies like in

49:57

click no okay then I'm out Yeah,

50:00

Kagan's doesn't want to think.

50:02

No. There's one point where

50:04

there's a sliding puzzle you

50:06

have to do. Nah, I

50:08

hate sliding puzzles. Or like

50:10

ones where you have different

50:12

pieces and you rotate them

50:14

and put them in the

50:17

right places, you know? Yeah,

50:19

there's things like that. Rotating.

50:21

Just doesn't want to think.

50:23

No. You play vampire survivors,

50:25

right? Yeah, a little bit,

50:27

yeah. Vampire survival is one.

50:29

That's like, I think. You

50:31

just love that game, more

50:33

than anything else in life

50:36

that you've ever done, Ryan.

50:38

That'd be your game. What?

50:40

Vampire Survivors. Yeah, I like

50:42

those type of, I like

50:44

Hades, I just sort of

50:46

get a little bored after

50:48

a while. Mm-hmm. Haiti's

50:50

had really good writing. Like that,

50:52

the story drew me along on

50:54

that. I like Vampire Survivors, but

50:56

I, it's like Balattro. Like, I

50:59

can see this, I see what's

51:01

going on, I see what's happening,

51:03

it's a lot of fun, and

51:05

I don't need to just do

51:07

this endlessly. Yeah, that's kind of

51:09

right. Get with a lot of

51:11

these games. Like, well, there's no

51:13

end. I mean, it's fun, but

51:15

I'm sort of done with us

51:17

sort of done with us, so

51:19

done with us, so done with

51:21

us, so done with us, so.

51:23

So. So, so, so, so, so.

51:25

And you, so, so. And you,

51:27

so, so. And you, so, so,

51:29

so, so. And you, so, so,

51:31

so, so. And you, like, like,

51:33

like, like, like, like, like, like,

51:35

like, like, like, like, like, like,

51:37

like, like, like I don't need

51:39

achievements. More than more achievements. Yeah,

51:41

I can care less about achievements.

51:43

So, yeah. We unlock more stuff

51:45

as you get them though. It's

51:47

not just like the steam achievement,

51:49

like in-game. It's like the progression

51:51

mechanic. But it's like Higgins was

51:53

saying, it's like you unlock the

51:55

things that you can do though,

51:57

you can do a harder difficulty

51:59

so you can fight more things

52:01

so you can unlock the harder

52:03

difficulties. Yeah. I mean, I guess

52:05

we're all talking about the same

52:07

games here. It's just which ones

52:09

are we taller? Yeah, yeah. There

52:11

are some that you're gonna like

52:13

and some, you know, it's gonna

52:15

work for some. Right, right. Okay,

52:17

well, if you want to play

52:19

the root trees or dead, that

52:21

is a game that definitely has

52:23

an end. Okay. And I'll tell

52:25

you what, there's the one guy,

52:27

that one bastard that just he,

52:29

he's one of the, one of

52:31

the musician people, he'll never figure

52:33

that, that guy out, that guy

52:35

was like the last one, he

52:37

hounded me, he was the bane

52:39

of my existence the entire time

52:41

I played that game. So. Let

52:43

me see what Steam says I

52:45

have. I like took my time

52:47

with it. Our Palai Anthony Gallegos,

52:49

I think it only took him

52:51

like something like seven hours. Where

52:53

is it where? No, no, but

52:55

let's see. So it says here

52:57

that I've played it for 12.4

53:00

hours. but I probably spent like

53:02

an hour or two, I've probably

53:04

spent a couple hours on the

53:06

second mission, so I probably spent

53:08

about 10 hours on it. Maybe.

53:10

But see, like you're better than

53:12

me at coming at seeing all

53:14

these things, I think quicker. I

53:16

think you would be able to

53:18

pick up some of the clues

53:20

faster. Is that? I'll try and

53:22

try it out before the next

53:24

podcast. Because there were all kinds

53:26

of things where I was like,

53:28

okay, I know it's got to

53:30

be somewhere in here. Let me

53:32

reread this entire book, this diary,

53:34

really carefully. And after doing that

53:36

enough times, I was able to

53:38

pick up like, okay, here's what

53:40

it is. But I think you

53:42

might come to those conclusions faster

53:44

once you get how the game

53:46

works. And I mean, and I'm

53:48

literate, so I don't have to

53:50

sound out all the letters to

53:52

read the words. Yeah, you know,

53:54

I just don't know how to

53:56

repeat. Not your kind of game,

53:58

Ryan. But I

54:00

encourage everybody to try it.

54:02

It's really cool. What else

54:05

have you guys been doing?

54:07

Anything good? Sleeping. Just sleeping.

54:09

All right. Great. That's the

54:11

real. That's the real. That's

54:13

the real end game. Yeah,

54:15

yeah. Man, you know how,

54:17

you know how, I know

54:20

I tell you guys like,

54:22

oh. I don't ever need

54:24

to sleep early. I've never

54:26

done that. I go to

54:28

sleep at 2am. There's a

54:30

lot of nights when I'll

54:32

just like, you're like, let

54:35

me just lay down on

54:37

my couch at like 1130.

54:39

And then I'll go to

54:41

sleep for like three hours

54:43

and then go to bed

54:45

at 2am. So I am,

54:47

I am becoming one of

54:49

you people. Yeah, no, no,

54:52

you're not because you also

54:54

wake up at then, like

54:56

noon. I go to bed

54:58

at 2 a.m. and I

55:00

wake up at 10 a.m.

55:02

You have yearly replied to

55:04

something at like 7.30 and

55:07

I'm very confused because I'm

55:09

like, oh, did you just

55:11

don't go to school yet?

55:13

Oh, in the morning? Yeah.

55:15

That'll be because I'm up

55:17

early. Oh, yeah. I've had

55:19

to be up early a

55:21

lot because of like parent

55:24

medical appointment things recently. My

55:26

dad had like cataract surgery.

55:28

So there's been a lot

55:30

of early mornings for me

55:32

the last couple weeks. So

55:34

yeah, whenever I'm flying to

55:36

something in a weird time,

55:39

it's because I have either

55:41

that or a client meeting.

55:43

Back to your normal schedule.

55:45

Yeah. See, I'll wake up

55:47

early for clients, for like

55:49

overseas clients if I need

55:51

to. I'll take that bullet.

55:53

So that's usually what that

55:56

means. Otherwise, yeah, my usual

55:58

10 AM time, baby. So

56:00

I'm speaking of sleep. Thanks

56:02

for listening to The Geek

56:04

Box. You are to leave

56:06

my podcast. We'll find something.

56:08

Sure, we'll be something else.

56:11

Oh, next time. Yeah, switch

56:13

to next. The next thing

56:15

up is Nintendo. After that.

56:17

Yeah, when is it? When

56:19

is it releasing? Or when

56:21

the... No, no, I mean,

56:23

when does the, when's the,

56:25

uh... April 2nd. That's when

56:28

they're doing the direct direct?

56:30

Yes. Yeah. April 2nd. Are

56:32

we gonna, we're gonna record

56:34

before then, aren't we? Well,

56:36

we're gonna record like the

56:38

day before, like a couple

56:40

days before that so we

56:43

can speculate. I think they're

56:45

going to reveal the switch

56:47

too. Yeah, oh, okay. Well,

56:49

save your speculation. Yeah. What

56:51

about Luigi? Will Luigi be

56:53

there? They need a Nintendo?

56:55

Nintendo. I know you're a

56:57

big man. Shagero? You need

57:00

more Luigi. Just saying, he's

57:02

a great character. He's a

57:04

Mario brother. He's a great

57:06

character. does not take any

57:08

crap from Bouser. Okay, he's

57:10

just as good at hunting

57:12

down Bouser and making him

57:15

pay for those crimes of

57:17

kidnapping the princess is Mario.

57:19

Sometimes better. Just saying, but

57:21

we use a great character.

57:23

We should all love him.

57:25

Especially when he's going after

57:27

that no good wario. Oreo

57:30

sucks. Just saying. So for

57:32

the switch to reveal. I

57:34

want to see Super Luigi

57:36

Brothers. That's what I want

57:38

to see. But it's just

57:40

Luigi and Luigi. Both players

57:42

play Luigi. There's no Mario.

57:44

Mario can go have his

57:47

own mansion and get stuck.

57:49

There are Luigi games. Luigi's

57:51

mansion. Yeah. Luigi's, Luigi's Manchion.

57:53

One, two, and three. Ah,

57:55

great game. Anyway, okay, enough

57:57

of that. We should probably

57:59

stop. Now, for I say

58:02

anything else that Alexa is

58:04

going to rat on me

58:06

for. Oh, so don't record

58:08

that. Ignore that last

58:10

one. Now, Alexa is

58:12

just going to advertise

58:15

Luigi's Mansion. It's all

58:17

Alexa wants to do. Well,

58:20

this has been the geek

58:22

box. Thanks for listening.

58:25

If you have any severance theory

58:27

ahead of the finale, let

58:29

me know. I'm on social media.

58:31

I'm on Blue Sky. I'm at

58:33

Rydog. Higgins is at Ryan Higgins.

58:35

And Justin, Heywald, right? Yeah, I need

58:37

to get on there at some point. I'm

58:40

on there. I mean, I'm on there. I'm

58:42

just not on there on there. I don't

58:44

use it. Yeah, use it. Wario 64's

58:46

on there. You need to get to them

58:48

before Luigi does. Okay. Just

58:51

saying you can follow him there

58:53

that was your one reason for

58:55

not for not abandoning Twitter and

58:57

now he's there Social media. It's

58:59

nice not to just be a

59:02

part of social media sometimes. It's

59:04

sort of social media what we're

59:06

doing now. We're being social on

59:08

Google Meet. Yeah, but you don't

59:10

have to interact with anybody else.

59:12

It's just you weirdos. No one's

59:15

busting in with like, oh actually.

59:17

I do that all the time

59:19

Justin. You can ignore all those

59:21

other people too and you can

59:24

downboat them. You can't downboat

59:26

me. I'm here to stay. Just

59:28

mute everybody else. Shadow ban me.

59:31

All right, well, let's see, you

59:33

can, don't go to our Facebook

59:35

group because Facebook sucks. Are

59:37

you even on Facebook anymore, Ryan?

59:39

Do you do anything on Facebook

59:41

with the, like, the podcast group.

59:43

I mean, I check in occasionally.

59:45

I solve some work stuff on

59:47

there, but I don't really go

59:49

on too often now. Okay, that's

59:52

good. Well, you can follow us on

59:54

Blue Sky, because that's where all the

59:56

happened stuff is. You can go to

59:59

Discord.Geekbox.net, join our... court server, you know,

1:00:01

until that also just goes to hell

1:00:03

because they're going to do an IPO

1:00:05

and ruin that too. But I'm sure

1:00:08

there'll be another thing. There always is.

1:00:10

And of course, you can listen to

1:00:12

more episodes of this podcast wherever it

1:00:15

is you get podcasts and you can

1:00:17

go to patron.com/keepbox and kick us a

1:00:19

few bucks to support all this stupid

1:00:21

stuff we do. And yeah, seriously, if

1:00:24

you have any good severance theories, hit

1:00:26

me up on Blue Sky. So it's

1:00:28

sane theories. I don't want any more

1:00:31

of these red-it theories because people are

1:00:33

just, they're weird about like, Miss Wong

1:00:35

and the goats. They have a bunch

1:00:37

of weird theories about stupid things there.

1:00:40

I don't know about that. So give

1:00:42

me some good ones. Uh, if you

1:00:44

play the root trees or dead, go

1:00:47

ping Justin on there and tell them

1:00:49

how good it is. Convention to play

1:00:51

it. He famously responds to harassment on

1:00:53

social media. That's right. That's what I

1:00:56

love about social media. Yeah. And we'll

1:00:58

be back in a couple of weeks

1:01:00

to discuss the season finale, season two

1:01:03

finale of Severance, and then we won't

1:01:05

have anything to talk about for two

1:01:07

years. So it's all there is. That's

1:01:09

all there is that. Oh boy. Oh,

1:01:12

the way. It's just gonna be listening

1:01:14

to Higgins talk about Gundam Gekwax the

1:01:16

rest of the time. Talk about Justin's

1:01:18

hate of all the incest and why

1:01:21

Lotus. Oh geez, is that what goes

1:01:23

on in that show? Oh no, I

1:01:25

mean there was a, there was a

1:01:28

kiss. There was some brother on brother

1:01:30

kissing. I mean you guys liked Game

1:01:32

of Thrones too. You're into that weird

1:01:34

sick stuff. Oh we'll have stranger things

1:01:37

to talk about. Fucking. Get excited. You're

1:01:39

going to run right off that hill.

1:01:41

I hope they all turn into funco

1:01:44

pops. That would be so strange. It's

1:01:46

too late there. did. No, but the

1:01:48

show, the show them now

1:01:50

funco pop. Stay show and

1:01:53

now it's Funko show

1:01:55

Things. as Don't give

1:01:57

them ideas, Justin. things.

1:02:00

Don't give Funko Pops

1:02:02

is coming Justin. be

1:02:04

the first time. The

1:02:06

first time anyone

1:02:09

on that show had

1:02:11

an idea, so. So,

1:02:13

the first time you wanted that show

1:02:15

had an idea. So, wow. All right.

1:02:18

Wow. that's it. We're

1:02:20

done and we'll

1:02:22

see you next time.

1:02:25

Goodbye. time. Goodbye.