Going over first round booms and busts

Going over first round booms and busts

Released Monday, 28th April 2025
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Monday, 28th April 2025
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He sure is, Greg. I'm gonna

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like Gillette, I don't know, maybe it's

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just my interest. They have, they have a

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lot of good concerts this summer. Fenway

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Park, not really that exciting to me.

1:45

Fenway Park's got Chris Brown. That's a good

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one. What I just said, not that

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exciting. Forever by Chris Brown is an all

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-time banger. Is the Post Malone show, is that

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it? Fenway or is that Gillette? Oh, OK. Yeah, I want

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to go to that one. Kendrick Lamar is at

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Gillette too, right? Yeah, so

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not too many that are

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of interest to me. This

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is Mike from Florida.

2:06

Hello, Mike. Hey

2:09

guys, how are we doing? Happy Monday. Yeah, what's

2:11

up? What are you calling about? I

2:14

know it was something that you guys

2:16

were talking about a little earlier with

2:18

Shador, but I wanted to kind of

2:20

throw my my thoughts in again, you

2:23

know, just when Wiggy was talking about,

2:25

you know, maybe the NFL doesn't understand

2:27

the culture and then, you know, the

2:29

people that are obviously the people that

2:31

are hating on him, like and having

2:33

like enjoying it and enjoying the prank

2:35

phone call. Those are just, you know,

2:37

the typical troll type, you know morons

2:39

that exist in the society we live

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in. You know, he's going

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to have to deal with that for the rest of his life, no matter

2:46

what. But in regards to the

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culture thing, you make a,

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you know, a good argument because

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obviously the NHL is run by, you

2:54

know, mostly old white dudes, and

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they don't understand it. And that's normal.

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It's okay. They don't understand it because it's

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not their culture. But, you

3:03

know, that culture argument gets made. And

3:05

I don't always like it in

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other scenarios where you've got somebody

3:09

that's from the South. and

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maybe they've got a picture on their

3:13

instagram and they've got a confederate

3:16

flag in the background and the people

3:18

from the south will say well

3:20

that's our culture and other people say

3:22

well that's racist well then they'll

3:24

say well no it's not it's it's

3:26

our heritage and we're just proud

3:28

of our heritage and it's our culture

3:30

so regardless of whether it's culture

3:32

or whatever it is it's the way that

3:34

the league perceives things like that and

3:36

that's not going to change. It has nothing

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to do with hatred. It just has

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to do with, okay, we're picking all the

3:42

variables from Shendor Sanders and saying, okay, here's

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the talent. Here's all these

3:47

other things. Are all these other things?

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is the talent worth all these other things

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that you have to deal with, you know, and

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they're not gonna, they're not gonna side with

3:55

a guy that has all the other things that

3:57

you guys talked about earlier in the show. Yeah,

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I think Wiggy, you know, hit

4:02

the nail on the head this morning

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when it comes to talent. I

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think that they didn't see the talent

4:08

there. And then you have to,

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all this other stuff comes along. And

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it would go the other way

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too. Like, let's say for example, Uh,

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who was that they believe

4:19

was Quinn yours, right? He dropped

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precipitously, right, right? But let's

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say Quinn yours was in a

4:26

similar situation as should or

4:28

Sanders and had Confederate flags draped

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all through his crib next

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to bore heads and dead heads

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and moose heads like there

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would be owners that would and

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people in the football world

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That would look at that and

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go In a second there's

4:45

a little This is a

4:47

little, this is different, even though he

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might believe it's his culture. And

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granted, the two cultures are different.

4:54

One's hip -hop music and rap culture

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that is just music based on people's

4:58

environment and how they grew up.

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I would really hope that nobody now

5:02

with the age of 20 has

5:05

a Confederate flag. Right, where the Confederate

5:07

flag needs something completely different. Yeah,

5:09

so it's like the culture of what,

5:12

when I say that, because I've

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been around and I know how

5:16

like, coaches and GM's and Courtney

5:18

and I were talking about it.

5:20

Like they did it with Cam

5:22

Newton. Cam Newton's pre draft interview

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with the owner at the time,

5:26

Jerry Richardson asked them, you got

5:28

any tattoos of persons and Cam

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was like, no. And he said,

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keep it that way. So it's

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like even people with tattoos, like

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they're, they're, if you don't understand

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that culture of where that person's

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from, you can kind of start

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relating the negative part of it

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with the person who just enjoys

5:47

the music or might be from

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there. But can't you just, if

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you're an NFL executive, can't you

5:53

look at Shador Sanders and say, the

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talent, I don't believe the talent is

5:58

going to translate. Right. And

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he's kind of a dink.

6:02

Like, and it can have

6:04

nothing to do with his

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culture. It has to do

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with his character. But yeah, but you can

6:10

say that to a certain extent, which

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would, like Shyam said, drop him out of

6:15

the first round and maybe into the

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second round or the top of the third

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round. But when you have guys going

6:21

in the second and third round like Dylan

6:23

Gabriel or the kid from Louisville. I

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mean Ryan Leaf was as big of an

6:27

a -hole as could ever exist and he

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went second. Right. But he didn't have

6:31

like he didn't have the the baggage of

6:33

his father like I think that that.

6:36

No he had a baggage of drug abuse.

6:38

Yeah but what's the doubt? The way

6:40

they knew that Curtis. Well but I mean

6:42

he didn't interview well because he was

6:44

I mean he was a total disaster in

6:46

that process. Yeah but but they like.

6:48

What's the baggage of Dion? So he just

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put his he just retired his kids

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number when he was 500 as a quarterback

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less than 500. All right. Like I

6:57

like you know that he's going to be

6:59

involved in the whole entire process when

7:01

it comes to the whatever team his kid

7:03

is on full -time employee of Colorado. He's

7:05

catching his own team. You don't think

7:07

he's going to start interfering and saying things

7:09

if If he doesn't feel like the

7:11

team is treating his son right what he's

7:13

gonna be talking about it publicly the

7:15

whole entire time The fan base the fan

7:18

base of whatever team he's drafted is

7:20

not gonna side with Dion. They're gonna call

7:22

him an a -hole What's what's the mannings

7:24

were drafted Arch Manning disappears like that's

7:26

kind of how it works Manning is nowhere

7:28

near the same as neon Dion Sanders

7:30

They put their kids in a position where

7:32

they get drafted high because that's what

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they want to do They want to help

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their kids succeed and then what's the

7:39

NFL? It's up to them whether they Float

7:41

or drown along the way of making

7:43

sure that your son succeeds You need to

7:45

teach him how to how to be

7:47

humble to an extent like that's the issue

7:49

that I have It's it's the way

7:51

in which he talks about who he is,

7:53

right? And I think that there is

7:55

a difference between being confident and cocky and

7:57

he's coming off extremely cocky there are

8:00

other people like Baker Mayfield was one of

8:02

the cockiest players out there. So is

8:04

how that played out Johnny man. a success

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And if you want to like five

8:08

different code If you want a new character,

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what about Eli's older brother Peyton? Look

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at what he did with the freaking trainer

8:14

in Tennessee And Johnny Manziel is another

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one who had a bunch of characteristics and

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he went first round And it was

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an absolute failure, but but we're not talking

8:23

about whether or not it was a

8:25

success or a failure We're talking about those

8:27

guys still went first round like there

8:29

Yeah, and now it's years later and these

8:31

teams are looking and saying we've had

8:33

headaches in the past. Some people have not

8:35

panned out. So maybe we need to

8:37

take a better look at who this person

8:39

is and the way they conduct themselves. They

8:43

went Zach Wilson number two overall

8:46

a couple years ago. So

8:48

he had issues. What did he do? All he

8:50

did was smash one of his mother's friends. Like what's

8:52

wrong with that? But like Shadr doesn't even have

8:54

any off -field issues. He just cocked

8:56

it. That's literally it. But we're not saying

8:58

he has any off -field issues. We're saying that

9:00

the way in which he conducts himself is

9:02

off -putting, I'm sure, to an owner who

9:04

wants, who is going to spend millions and

9:06

millions of dollars on this person being their

9:08

future. If he's going into interviews with his

9:10

headphones in, if he's not showing up to

9:12

inter - views. If he's telling teens he's better

9:14

than them. Bring it like,

9:17

Shym, how would you feel about

9:19

somebody applying for a producer role

9:21

here who has an entourage of

9:23

15 people with him? Well, has

9:25

he spent four years in college

9:27

radio kicking ass or having tape

9:29

to prove it? But I really

9:31

think Baker Mayfield is the best

9:33

example of this because he was

9:35

a total dink right and he

9:37

didn't drop it all right you

9:39

had higher picking the draft they

9:41

thought he was going to go

9:43

like tenth he went number one

9:45

right and the patriots were picking

9:47

up the phone calling to see

9:49

if they could trade up to

9:51

number two johnny manzell the same

9:53

way all i'm saying is shidore

9:55

has done enough on the football

9:57

field he's he's a career average

9:59

of 71 percent and completion percent

10:01

on the football field whether you

10:03

think that maybe his talent is

10:05

not great, OK, we can dispute

10:07

that. But there's no way you

10:09

go from being a projected top

10:11

five, top 10, top 20 pick

10:13

a fifth round There way. You

10:15

just saw it this week. But

10:17

there's some shenanigans involved. shenanigans. Okay.

10:20

All right, we have got to take a break. I'm

10:22

sorry. We're just a little bit behind. We'll be

10:24

right back.

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