0:00

If Marie is the part of

0:03

the show, I'd be less sick

0:05

of podcast for a minute, I'd

0:07

like a minute, a little bit

0:09

of a lot, a little bit

0:12

of a lot, a little bit

0:14

of a lot, a little bit

0:16

of a lot, a little bit

0:18

of a lot, a little bit

0:21

of a lot, a little bit

0:23

of a day and a dramatic

0:25

drumming track, suvers or vibrations and

0:27

stuff like that. cool.

0:38

Okay guys welcome

0:40

back to the

0:42

Grimerica show coming

0:45

at you this

0:47

week. Okay guys

0:49

welcome back to

0:51

the Grimerica show

0:54

coming at you

0:56

this week a

0:58

day late maybe

1:00

you noticed because

1:02

grandma is on

1:04

the sunshine coast. This

1:06

is in the family doing

1:09

some painting. It's always

1:11

fucking raining out there.

1:13

That's the thing. I mean, that's

1:16

the thing about it. No,

1:18

it's super gray. Yeah, I

1:20

couldn't imagine right now. It's

1:22

like just you when you're

1:24

when like where you are and

1:26

I am, you just get so

1:28

used to that you take the

1:31

sun for granted when it's not

1:33

sunny. Yeah, but I mean it's

1:35

still beautiful on the on the

1:37

water here. So yeah, we average

1:40

over 300 days of sunshine a

1:42

year. Yeah. And then the further

1:44

east. Well, the other thing is I

1:46

was driving too. I was driving

1:48

too and seeing the little

1:50

strip of the sky like looking

1:53

for the sky and there's

1:55

no sky. There's no sky. Yeah,

1:57

you're in these like, you know, roads.

1:59

where there's no sky, except for, you

2:02

know, when you're looking out over the

2:04

ocean, of course, there's a bit, but

2:06

compared to the prairies, you just get

2:08

used to that big sky too, so

2:11

different. Oh, dude, you get, so by

2:13

the time you leave there, you'll probably

2:15

even be a little claustrophobic, like you

2:17

won't notice it, so you're not gonna

2:20

notice it till you get back. But

2:22

what I went to England for a

2:24

week, I came back, and it was

2:26

like, and it was like, as soon

2:29

as soon as I got back, I

2:31

got out of the tunnel, I got

2:33

out of the tunnel, I got out

2:35

of the tunnel, I got out of

2:38

the tunnel, And it's just goes on

2:40

forever. I mean, I was hunting geese

2:42

this weekend in a field. I couldn't.

2:44

I was like, I miss this more

2:47

than I even fucking realize. I didn't

2:49

realize that I felt off without being

2:51

able to just see things coming. Yeah,

2:53

that's interesting. That's interesting. It just goes

2:56

on forever. I mean, I was hunting

2:58

geese this weekend in a field that

3:00

was five miles by five miles. Five

3:02

miles, but what's that? The 25 square

3:05

miles, one solid wheat field without a

3:07

single road through it or anything. Just

3:09

as the hutterites, right? I don't know

3:11

how to write. I made friends with

3:14

some hutterites. I gotta say this goose

3:16

hunting is a new level of meeting

3:18

farmers because they're always in the wheat.

3:20

So it's like we'll go out. We'll

3:23

watch the lake, we'll wait to see

3:25

where the goose go, and then we

3:27

just go bang on a door, or

3:29

sometimes you can use the land owner

3:32

map and Google and get a phone

3:34

number or something like that. But I'm

3:36

meeting a lot of good old boys.

3:38

Oh, that's great. And we got caught

3:41

in a blizzard. So it took me,

3:43

dude, I gotta tell you. I left

3:45

here at four, at five in the

3:47

morning. No, yeah, I left here at

3:50

550. You go to Brooks and I

3:52

woke up. I look out and there's

3:54

four inches of snow. I'm like, huh,

3:56

this is a bad idea. Because when

3:59

I went to bed, it was poor

4:01

rain. And then I woke up and

4:03

there's four inches of snow. I'm like,

4:05

you know, you're jacked. It's like opening

4:08

day almost. So we go out, I

4:10

start driving, I get out of Strathmar.

4:12

Oh, I'm not supposed to say the

4:14

town. Well, the town's on the PO

4:17

box, so I don't live in the

4:19

town. And it's just, it's like, dude,

4:21

I get up to like 90 and

4:23

the truck is like, yoo. So it's

4:26

like glare ice. Oh no. And then

4:28

like 70, 70 all the way to

4:30

Brooks on a Wednesday morning cruising along

4:32

and I went by like, the first

4:35

transport was jack-nifed in the ditch. Was

4:37

like, what are those triple trailer dealies?

4:39

And then I went by about 10

4:41

more trucks in the ditch. And I

4:44

didn't, I didn't. Semis? Semis or? Only

4:46

Semis. Only Semis. We only tell them

4:48

in a ditch with Sam. What? Yeah,

4:50

and you know, they say we have

4:53

a truck driving problem here right now

4:55

that I'm not going to get into

4:57

on this show. People can check out

4:59

the A-list. CA if they want to

5:02

hear us talk about that kind of

5:04

stuff, but they'll run to new truck

5:06

drivers that, you know, don't do a

5:08

lot of winter and so I'm assuming

5:11

that's part of a problem. And then,

5:13

you know, after that, it was just

5:15

transports parked on the side of the

5:17

highway for miles. I must have drove

5:20

by 200 transport trucks that had just

5:22

drove them by all the other ones

5:24

in the ditch and chickened out at

5:26

various stages, because you know how you

5:28

can tell when you get into the

5:31

big gullies, because you would go flat

5:33

and you'll get into the big gullies,

5:35

where they're just like a huge ravine

5:37

coolly, I guess, would be the technical

5:40

term, or maybe a canyon, water at

5:42

the bottom at the bottom of some

5:44

of some of some of some of

5:46

some of them. But whenever you go

5:49

down to those, you know it's going

5:51

to be icy. Anyway, I got out

5:53

there. Because usually in Brooks, there's less

5:55

snow. So I get out there. And

5:58

it's, and so I get like, I

6:00

get an hour out of, I get

6:02

half an hour to Strathmore. It clears

6:04

up a bit. It's not snowing, it's

6:07

not rain, and the roads are pretty

6:09

nice. I look over in the fields,

6:11

it's just like a dusting of snow,

6:13

they're not full of snow. Like this

6:16

can be okay. And then we get

6:18

to the hunting field to meet Jesse,

6:20

and it is a fucking onslaught, dude.

6:22

It is like, there's six inches of

6:25

snow, it's snowing like crazy. We dragged

6:27

all our decoys and our wines two

6:29

trips out probably a mile and a

6:31

half into the field through the snow

6:34

And lied in the snow for like

6:36

an hour and a half and dragged

6:38

it all back And then then then

6:40

I went out dude. I was out

6:43

yesterday. It was not yesterday. It wasn't

6:45

the nice day. So you're not getting

6:47

did you not get any in the

6:49

snow then? We didn't get any in

6:52

the snow. No we gave up We

6:54

gave up probably a little early because

6:56

we didn't even get any action. Nothing

6:58

was flying over and it was like

7:01

we're lying in the snow. It's literally

7:03

a blizzard. So my face started to

7:05

hurt because it wasn't that cold. You

7:07

know, it's not freezing cold. It's only

7:10

bad. It's just below freezing. But the

7:12

frozen rain was just pelting off my

7:14

face just constantly just. Yeah. It just

7:16

got you after. And then so we

7:19

packed all the stuff. We dragged all

7:21

back to the truck through the snow

7:23

through the snow and uh. This is

7:25

where at the truck we unload the

7:28

guns we crank up some tunes or

7:30

have a time and these fucking geese

7:32

seem to like come into the loud

7:34

music of the truck and they fly

7:37

over there like 10 yards a whole

7:39

flock but none of the guns are

7:41

loaded and then I use a Bluetooth

7:43

speaker because you're allowed to electronically call

7:46

snow geese it's the only wild game

7:48

you're allowed to use electronic call for

7:50

unless it's a pest control like coyotes

7:52

and stuff. So I bring that with

7:55

me to make goose sounds. put them

7:57

in the decoys while we're hunting because

7:59

we didn't we we shot didn't shoot

8:01

anything all fucking weekend I spent tons

8:04

hours scouting tons hours in the field

8:06

and we got with you know the

8:08

whole flock lands are half a mile

8:10

away from. We can see them all,

8:13

can't shoot them. So I don't know,

8:15

it's just a lesson. We didn't keep

8:17

trying, gotta keep trying. This is all

8:19

new for me, this goose hunting and

8:22

it's hard. Yeah. There's so many of

8:24

them. So we didn't end up. But

8:26

anyway, so we're walking back to the

8:28

track at the end of the day,

8:31

Sunday night, before we went back up.

8:33

I think it was kind of the

8:35

first thing. What happens? Fucking flock of

8:37

geese. Thought it was like 20 yards

8:40

overhead. So I don't know. The next

8:42

time I go out we might just

8:44

play some tunes instead of go sound

8:46

and see if that brings them in.

8:49

Yeah, there you go. Make sure it's

8:51

90 grudge, you know. 90s grunch. Yeah,

8:53

it could be 90. I think I

8:55

thought it was kind for the first

8:58

time. Right of a tank Williams, the

9:00

first, the first, the first group. But

9:02

anyway, that's what I've been up to,

9:04

I hunted all weekend basically and have

9:07

nothing to show for it. So the

9:09

spring hunt is my first spring hunt

9:11

and it is proven to be, because

9:13

here's the thing, when we do the

9:16

fall hunt, we're like, you know, I'm

9:18

in Canada, so we're like the first

9:20

people on these birds in the fall.

9:22

They come from the Arctic, they go

9:25

over Edmonton, and that's really the only

9:27

hunters they see is Edmonton, then me.

9:29

And now this time, I mean, these

9:31

geese have been getting shot out for

9:34

basically the last three months straight down

9:36

in the States. I think their season

9:38

opens in January. And in the States,

9:40

they call the snow goos season in

9:43

the spring, they call it the conversation,

9:45

they call it the conversation, they call

9:47

it the conversation, they call it the

9:49

conservation, so you're allowed to just like,

9:52

you don't have to have a plug

9:54

in your shotgun, you're allowed to have

9:56

like 20 shells in your shotgun if

9:58

you want. a quarter million, I would

10:01

say at least a hundred thousand birds

10:03

on one lake on Saturday after. Yeah.

10:05

Is the most birds I've ever seen

10:07

him? one place in my life. It

10:10

was fucking crazy. They take off and

10:12

they turn in this big tornado, like

10:14

a tornado of geese that you can't

10:16

even see through. You can't even see

10:18

through the thing. It's like, I never

10:21

seen anything like it. I seen that

10:23

shit Saturday, me and Miles, and I

10:25

was just like, holy fuck. And I

10:27

had the video camera with me too,

10:30

but I was just like, I was

10:32

so caught up in the moment that

10:34

I didn't film it. So. One day

10:36

I'll get some footage of him. Anyway.

10:39

Similar to what happens when you watch

10:41

a UFO, when you see a UFO,

10:43

you get so caught up in the

10:45

moment, you don't film it. So now

10:48

you know what I'm, now you know,

10:50

when I, when I have an argument

10:52

and make fun of it. Now you

10:54

know. Do I? Let's see, argument, I

10:57

guess. I'll give it to you. You

10:59

can have the argument. So, uh, we're

11:01

getting speaking to UFOs and big sky.

11:03

There's probably not much bigger sky than

11:06

on a 13 square mile island in

11:08

the middle of Pacific Ocean, huh? Right.

11:10

Looks like we're gonna do the Easter

11:12

Island thing, folks, next March, next March,

11:15

18th to 25th, 2026. So you can

11:17

watch that to go on sale soon

11:19

as, but I gotta say, I put

11:21

out sort of a feeler to our

11:24

insiders, if you're part of that contact

11:26

at the cabin mailing list. If you

11:28

sign up for that thing, then you

11:30

get the first chance. Because when this

11:33

goes on sale, those people will get

11:35

a couple week head start to get

11:37

tickets or get a deposit in. And

11:39

from that list, we already have like,

11:42

oh, I think 14 people that said

11:44

they plan to buy tickets. Yeah. And

11:46

I don't think we'll know. And there's

11:48

not going to be a lot. I

11:51

mean, there's not going to be a

11:53

lot going, right? This is a short

11:55

group, right? A small group, right? So

11:57

there's not going to be a lot

12:00

there. It's very limited, very limited seating

12:02

on this one. Couple dozens, same as

12:04

Azos, 24s at the top, top number.

12:06

So that's going to go quick. I

12:09

would say that. But all the people

12:11

that have emailed me so far are

12:13

very serious people who have come to

12:15

our other events. So we'll have that

12:18

up for sale right away. We're going

12:20

to include the flight. So you don't

12:22

even have to worry about flying all

12:24

the way there. I'm going to book

12:27

all the flights from Santiago, Chile. So

12:29

we'll just get to Santiago. We'll all

12:31

stay in the airport hotel there overnight.

12:33

And then the next day we'll get

12:36

on the flight out to Easter Island

12:38

to Rapinui. where we'll stay, I'm working

12:40

out the itinerary with the guy right

12:42

now, but basically we'll see everything. We'll

12:45

see everything that Easter Island has to

12:47

offer, and we'll do, there's a couple,

12:49

three or four hour hikes that will

12:51

be guided as well, that people can

12:54

do or not do, depending on their

12:56

hiking capacity. I know some of the

12:58

hikes are up to four hours. So

13:00

that'll be optional. I mean, the cool

13:03

thing about Easter Island is it small,

13:05

so we don't. Not as much scrambling

13:07

around as some of the events that

13:09

we do. It's more like, you know,

13:12

leave that ten, go out into the

13:14

field, sort of, you know, short drives

13:16

and a lot of walking and a

13:18

lot of cool stuff to see. We're

13:21

doing the astronomy night, so we're doing

13:23

the stargazing night where we'll go out

13:25

and look at the Milky Way and...

13:27

The sunrise at the whatever is called,

13:30

you know, where all the statues are

13:32

in a row there. We're in the

13:34

sunrise there. Probably on. And that'll be

13:36

like, and that'll be like on the

13:39

equinox, right? Is it on the equinox?

13:41

It can be on the equinox. It

13:43

can be on the equinox. We are

13:45

there. We must be there during the

13:48

equinox. So I mean, how do people

13:50

reserve a spot before it goes on

13:52

sale? Can they email? Yeah, 14 spots.

13:54

Or you or you or me, Dareneker

13:57

america.com. We see a, it works. So

13:59

we've already got 14 people in the

14:01

list and it's gonna cap out at

14:03

20. Like I said, we're going to

14:06

include everything like we always do. So

14:08

we're going to include all the meals,

14:10

lodging, and the flights. We're actually going

14:12

to include the flights from Santiago because

14:15

there's only one flight a day and

14:17

I don't want just don't get that

14:19

getting messed up. It seems to just

14:21

make sense for us to include that.

14:24

So we'll do that. I already checked

14:26

and there's not like a, if you

14:28

want a first class ticket, you can't

14:30

get one. So it's just like there's.

14:33

One plane that goes there and back

14:35

each day. And that's it. That's it.

14:37

I believe that's the only place he

14:39

can fly there from. Because you can't

14:42

do customs there. So you have to

14:44

already be into Chile before you go

14:46

back. So even if you're coming from

14:48

Australia or some place, you got to

14:51

go to Chile first to get let

14:53

into the country. Because then you can

14:55

come back to. Rapinouh. So we're going

14:57

to do that. We're going to include

15:00

everything, including that flight. And it's looking

15:02

like it's going to come in around

15:04

4,900 bucks for us, for a standard

15:06

and just over six gram for a

15:09

private. The hotels are not cheap, but

15:11

they are nice. They are quite nice.

15:13

And like I say, we include everything

15:15

on that. And it's a trip of

15:17

a lifetime. Like I say, we're including

15:20

that flight adds a thousand bucks, basically,

15:22

to it almost. I think it's 800.

15:24

Yeah. Yeah. So let us know email

15:26

me, there's 14 gone, there's 10 spots

15:29

left, it's gonna actually go up for,

15:31

I'll put it up, and it'll be,

15:33

the tickets will be hidden for the

15:35

first two weeks, which the code to

15:38

unhide the tickets will be emailed out

15:40

to everybody that's on that mailing list

15:42

from contact as a cabin.com. And hey

15:44

it's a year away. That sounds like

15:47

a lot of money. You make the

15:49

deposit today and you can you can

15:51

make payments for a year and have

15:53

that thing paid off by the time

15:56

we go. I think I'm going to

15:58

ask for all the money by like

16:00

January 1st. Yeah, that's what I could

16:02

do before. So check it out, get

16:05

in touch if it's something you want

16:07

to do, get in touch sooner than

16:09

later because there's going to be first

16:11

come first serve and like I say

16:14

we're over halfway on you know a

16:16

couple people might drop off but these

16:18

are people that have come down to

16:20

Egypt and to other places with us

16:23

that I would be surprised if they

16:25

didn't come to this one. Yeah exactly.

16:27

I do have Jim Davis Jim Davis

16:29

to thank he supported us with the

16:32

1080. Other than that I don't think

16:34

we got a... Any other new action

16:36

this week, so I think we went

16:38

a whole week. I think I'll have

16:41

some emails. I think I think I'll

16:43

read them next week. I lied. We

16:45

got 22 22 from Fisk, Fisk Donovan,

16:47

Fisk Denevin, came in with 2020, 22,

16:50

22. So we think. Thanks, yes. That's

16:52

awesome. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. We appreciate that.

16:54

Of course, head of Grand America.z.org.com. This

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17:08

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17:12

got good dinner right away. Should we

17:14

get out of here? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

17:17

this is a, yeah, I do. I'm

17:19

just waiting for me. So, yeah, this

17:21

is amazing app though, man, man, man.

17:23

This is an amazing app with, yeah,

17:26

because he, he, I mean, we gotta

17:28

have him on again. He's like one

17:30

of the, one of the OGs in

17:32

Simatics and stuff, man. I mean, it's,

17:35

it's unbelievable. So I'm just pulling up

17:37

his, uh, dude, we gotta go ahead

17:39

here, but. Oh, yeah. I mean, his

17:41

experience in the great pyramid is mind

17:44

blowing. Oh my God, I need to

17:46

know if that's, if that's, if that's,

17:48

I need to know. Right. Right. Right.

17:51

So John is an internationally renowned

17:54

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17:56

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17:58

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18:03

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18:05

the relationship between sound form and

18:08

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18:21

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18:27

This isn't woo at science

18:29

the study of Simonics the

18:31

study the science of making

18:33

sound visible So yeah, this

18:35

is fantastic and also check

18:37

out frequency medicine course.com There's

18:39

a course that they're offering

18:41

as well and that is

18:44

at sound made visible.com where

18:46

he can find his website

18:48

there so They haven't and

18:50

he did mention that he

18:52

had a great time and

18:54

would come back any time

18:56

he sent an email out

18:58

to afterwards. Oh, that's great.

19:00

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19:17

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19:22

Jonathan Auto on there. His

19:24

piss. If you watch the

19:26

video. You could watch John

19:28

drink his piss on the

19:30

show. So I think that's

19:32

a. I know, but I'm

19:34

telling you, I'm I'm contemplating

19:36

my own. Not somebody else.

19:38

Just so, you know, I

19:41

think we all got that.

19:43

Not about the water sports.

19:45

About my own. So it's

19:47

about my own stem cells.

19:49

But your stem cells. Did

19:51

you try yet? I don't

19:53

believe you. No, not yet.

19:55

I'm still siking myself up.

19:57

All right guys, enjoy the

20:00

chat. with John Stewart's brief.

21:07

John Stewart Reed, thanks thanks for joining us Grand

21:10

This is going to be is fun. be very

21:12

fun. We're excited to have you. can't believe

21:14

we haven't had we yet, but welcome

21:16

to the show. to the show. thank you. I'm

21:18

absolutely delighted to be with you. you. Yeah,

21:20

this is, I mean, you're this is, the, oh, geez, I

21:22

mean, you're one of the, the cymatics

21:24

like one of the original we've talked guys. it

21:26

mean, and we've talked about it over

21:28

the years. been gaining so much ground, course, it's

21:30

been gaining so much ground. So talk to

21:32

to be to to talk to you about

21:34

this. this. Yes, Simonics for sure sure is one

21:36

of my very favorite subjects. So I'm

21:38

really looking forward to chatting with you

21:40

about that. with you about that. Yeah, how do you do

21:42

you feel that it's been, I mean,

21:44

it really has kind of reached a crescendo, I

21:46

would say, like I would say, of like, got of

21:49

attention. attention. And I was reading these

21:51

books the late the early believe they the late

21:53

1800s, and I couldn't believe they were

21:55

talking about it back then. I always

21:57

thought it was kind of a new phenomena.

22:00

but or newly recognized phenomena, but

22:02

I mean, it's been around for

22:05

a while, but you've been even

22:07

into this for decades. So what

22:09

does it feel like to have

22:12

it? Basically, everybody's heard of it

22:14

at this point, you know, it's

22:16

really come, come into the mainstream.

22:19

I'm excited about it because, as

22:21

you say, you know, it's been

22:23

around for a long time, but

22:26

it's reached a kind of tipping

22:28

point now. So everyone and that

22:30

Granny seems to be talking about

22:33

semantics. And it's a wonderful science.

22:35

Last year, just in October last

22:37

year, I was at the water

22:39

conference, I've been invited to give

22:42

another presentation, you probably know, it's

22:44

a wonderful conference in which they

22:46

talk about water, but it sounds

22:49

like a boring city where it's

22:51

not, it's really fascinating, so much

22:53

is not known about water. But

22:56

in this particular instance, the reason

22:58

that I was invited was because

23:00

the Simoscope instrument, by the way

23:03

you see an iteration of it

23:05

right behind me here, this is

23:07

the new portable model, anyway, the

23:10

Simoscope instrument uses nothing but pure

23:12

water and purer the better. So

23:14

that's why I was there. And

23:17

I actually gave a presentation on

23:19

my four postulated laws of semantics.

23:21

These have been coming along for

23:24

a long, long time. Should I

23:26

have been working in this field

23:28

for over 25 years? And so,

23:31

you know, throughout our time, these

23:33

laws, as I now call them

23:35

postulated laws anyway, have been emerging

23:37

slowly but surely. And so I

23:40

was very honored to be able

23:42

to present them to a bunch

23:44

of scientists at the water conference.

23:47

They were very well received. The

23:49

most exciting thing about these laws.

23:51

is how they play out in

23:54

our biology. You know, obviously from

23:56

a scientific viewpoint, they're interesting, but

23:58

I'm much more interested in how

24:01

they play out in everyone's body.

24:03

Well, what are the four laws?

24:05

Well, That would be a really

24:08

big topic to get into, but

24:10

one of the laws that I

24:12

think would be perhaps most interesting

24:15

to your viewers and listeners would

24:17

be the second law of semantics,

24:19

which talks about the compression ratio

24:22

of sound when it enters into

24:24

water. You know, I think it's

24:26

pretty common knowledge that sound travels

24:28

much faster in water, right? However,

24:31

the reason for that is simply

24:33

because the water molecules are much

24:35

closer together than air molecules, right,

24:38

or atoms or molecules. So when

24:40

sound, sound has certain wavelengths, let's

24:42

call them in air, they're not

24:45

really waves at all, but I

24:47

can come back to that point.

24:49

But anyway, we call them wavelengths

24:52

of sound. When those wavelengths of

24:54

sound enter into water, so they

24:56

go from air. into water, they

24:59

are compressed by a ratio of

25:01

829 times to 1. And this

25:03

is simply the literally the distance

25:06

or the difference in distance between

25:08

the water molecules and the air

25:10

molecules, right? So they get compressed

25:13

in that ratio. And as I

25:15

mentioned, you know, it's exciting to

25:17

be able to then look at

25:19

these laws and see how they

25:22

play out in our biology. And

25:24

one of them. the second law

25:26

relates to when sound enters into

25:29

our body how it's compressed in

25:31

that ratio. Now one of the

25:33

areas of your body that you

25:36

might not think about in terms

25:38

of how sound affects it is

25:40

your eyes or are your eyes

25:43

right because your eyes of course

25:45

are filled with water it's almost

25:47

well it's not pure water but

25:50

it's a certain certainly a very

25:52

good version of water that's in

25:54

your eyes and What happens is

25:57

when sound enters into your eyes,

25:59

of course it's compressed, the ratio

26:01

is compressed 829 times. So all

26:04

these long wavelengths of sound suddenly

26:06

become compressed in that ratio. Why

26:08

is this interesting? Well, it's interesting

26:11

because of the pineal grand. Now,

26:13

the pineal grand is this little,

26:15

really little pine-shaped cone, pine-shaped, like

26:17

a pine cone, basically. It's a

26:20

tiny little, and it has beautiful.

26:22

striations on its surface that make

26:24

it look like a pine cone.

26:27

That's why it was called the

26:29

pineal grand. The pineal grand is

26:31

responsible for our circadian rhythms. Basically,

26:34

you know, it knows when we

26:36

are awake, it knows when we

26:38

are asleep, and it helps us

26:41

to achieve those states by switching

26:43

melatonin on and off, but it

26:45

also secretes many other important substances

26:48

into our bloodstream. And so this

26:50

is why it's fascinating to be

26:52

able to see what happens when

26:55

sound enters into our eyes because

26:57

when it does so, it travels

26:59

straight through the eyeball, straight through

27:02

the retina because the retina is

27:04

almost pure water as well. It

27:06

obviously has protein content, but it's

27:08

mainly water, right? Then it travels

27:11

through the two optic nerves, which

27:13

are a form of liquid crystal.

27:15

which again is almost pure water

27:18

and then finally these two where

27:20

the point where these two optic

27:22

nerves converge is very close to

27:25

the pineal gland which sits in

27:27

its own little sack of water

27:29

fluid very very like water and

27:32

reaches the pineal gland finally. So

27:34

when you make sound that sound

27:36

literally travels through your eyes and

27:39

reaches the pineal gland now. What

27:41

we are most interested in is

27:43

the resonant properties of the sound

27:46

versus the pineal band. You know,

27:48

so using... This law, we can

27:50

now identify exactly which frequency of

27:53

sound will optimally stimulate the pineal

27:55

gland. Wow. Yeah, so and the

27:57

pineal gland, by the way, I

27:59

think it's fairly common knowledge that

28:02

it's also been talked about historically

28:04

as our third eye. And of

28:06

course, also, again, I think fairly

28:09

commonly known that it is our

28:11

spiritual call, our spiritual. the way

28:13

that we connect with spirit basically

28:16

the divine energies of as it

28:18

were of the universe is via

28:20

the pineal gland. So if we

28:23

know how to optimally stimulate the

28:25

pineal gland we can help ourselves

28:27

in many different ways. One of

28:30

them is because when the pineal

28:32

gland is optimally stimulated it helps

28:34

to the immune system to destroy

28:37

early stage tumor. So when a

28:39

tumor is starting to grow in

28:41

our body and these, these happen

28:44

all the time by the way,

28:46

you know, I don't think it's

28:48

very commonly known that we all

28:51

have cancer, we all have it

28:53

all of the time, but generally

28:55

it doesn't get a chance to

28:57

take a hold because the immune

29:00

system sees off, you know, literally

29:02

destroys all of these rogue cells

29:04

and that is part of the

29:07

process by which the pineal gland

29:09

works. So, so being able to

29:11

have an optimal a stimulation of

29:14

the pineal gland helps us to

29:16

eradicate any rogue cells in our

29:18

body, but also helps us to

29:21

have a higher sense of spirit

29:23

than we would have otherwise. That's

29:25

a great. No, that's a great

29:28

description because it gives you a

29:30

real visual representation, pardon the pun,

29:32

about how this sound can heal,

29:35

right? Because I mean, sound healing,

29:37

even in the last five, ten

29:39

years, has come a long way

29:42

with acceptance. People are accepting it

29:44

now, it seems like. But in

29:46

the 2010s... in the early 2020,

29:48

you know, it was still kind

29:51

of woo, but now it's getting,

29:53

it's gaining some, some ground, but

29:55

that's a really good, good visual

29:58

of how that happens. So what

30:00

frequencies are we talking about specifically

30:02

for the, it turns out to

30:05

be E3 on a piano, which

30:07

ballpark is about 165 hertz, right?

30:09

And some people might say, well,

30:12

listen, my pioneer gland might be

30:14

a little bit bigger or a

30:16

little bit smaller than the average

30:19

pioneer gland. Yes, that's certainly true

30:21

because you know people have different

30:23

skull sizes and of course The

30:26

glands in our body do vary

30:28

a little bit in size whether

30:30

we're male female, you know, and

30:33

skull size and so on But

30:35

the good news here is when

30:37

you use musical sound and I'm

30:39

talking now about playing Let's say

30:42

for argument sake you play e3

30:44

Can I play any three now

30:46

quickly? Go ahead. Go ahead. My

30:49

phone says it'll do it'll do

30:51

it. I don't know. We'll see

30:55

And so this is the

30:57

good news because when you

30:59

play E3 you're not just getting

31:02

that one single frequency, you're not

31:04

just getting that one single frequency

31:07

of 165 hertz ballpark. It's

31:09

a little bit decimals involved

31:11

as well, but essentially that's

31:13

the center frequency. But then

31:15

left and right of that you've

31:17

got a whole bunch of harmonics

31:19

and subharmonics. So that's why when

31:22

you play that musical note, it

31:24

doesn't matter whether your pyliogram is

31:27

a little bit bigger or

31:29

a little bit smaller. All

31:31

of that is embraced, if

31:33

you like, by those musical

31:35

frequencies. And it's really very simple,

31:37

but very beautiful. But right away

31:40

it makes me think of like

31:42

it, I'm doing that sort of

31:44

thing for like, you know, is

31:47

it healing? I mean, we've

31:49

done a bunch of shows

31:51

where people can. all sorts

31:53

of different mechanisms are triggered

31:55

in the body. Even talking, by

31:57

the way, which is what I'm

32:00

doing. I want to go off

32:02

into that tangent. I can talk

32:04

a long time about this subject.

32:07

Okay, let's just take a

32:09

very, at least a short

32:11

dive into that subject, because

32:13

when you make vocal sound,

32:15

lots of different mechanisms are triggered

32:17

in the body. Even talking, by

32:20

the way, which is what I'm

32:22

doing right now, is helping to

32:25

improve my. what's termed vagal tone,

32:27

we'll get to that in

32:29

a minute. But much more

32:31

simply, if I make a

32:33

humming sound, and this is,

32:35

by the way, a great friend

32:37

of mine, Jonathan Goldman and Andy

32:40

Goldman, wrote a whole book on

32:42

this subject of humming, right? And

32:45

how that helps to heal us.

32:47

When you hum, those sounds

32:49

actually resonate in your paronasal

32:51

sinus cavities. Let me just

32:53

take a little sip of

32:55

water here. your

32:57

parinazal sinus cavities, but also

32:59

your lungs. So the deep

33:02

notes of your hum will

33:04

resonate your lungs between about

33:06

100 and 150 hertz, right?

33:08

And the higher frequencies in

33:10

the ballpark 1,000 hertz to

33:12

2,000 hertz will resonate your

33:14

parinazel sinus cavities. And the

33:16

differences again relate to body

33:18

size, whether you're male, female,

33:20

you might have a big

33:22

body, you might have a

33:24

small body, but you know

33:26

within those ranges, you're going

33:28

to be creating when you

33:30

make that humming sound, you're

33:32

going to be going to

33:35

be resonating your lungs and

33:37

your paronasal sinus cavities. Why

33:39

am I sharing this? Well,

33:41

because in both of those

33:43

places in your body is

33:45

where your body creates nitric

33:47

oxide. is perhaps the second

33:49

most important molecule in the

33:51

body in relation to healing.

33:53

Oxygen is definitely the first,

33:55

there's no doubt about... that.

33:57

But nitric oxide is a

33:59

very good runner up because

34:01

nitric oxide, one of its

34:03

primary roles in the body,

34:05

is to create is to

34:07

create vasodilation. In other words,

34:10

it relaxes all of your

34:12

blood vessels, the walls of

34:14

your blood vessels, and there

34:16

dilates them, and therefore allows

34:18

the passage of more blood.

34:20

And of course, when you

34:22

have more blood flowing in

34:24

your bloodstream, you have more

34:26

oxygen. flowing in your bloodstream.

34:28

So the two molecules really

34:30

go hand in hand and

34:32

so many other wonderful effects

34:34

occur because of nitric oxide.

34:36

So it's not just vasodilation.

34:38

One of the other effects

34:40

is cytotoxic action, which means

34:42

if you breathe in some

34:45

pathogens, literally through your nose,

34:47

And that is the best

34:49

way to breathe. You're going

34:51

to breathe pathogens, because the

34:53

nitric oxide literally kills pathogens,

34:55

stone dead, right? So that's

34:57

a really another wonderful thing.

34:59

It also helps with thrombotic

35:01

events. In other words, blood

35:03

clots, it reduces any potential

35:05

for blood clots. And this

35:07

is all coming just right

35:09

from humming, right? That's such

35:11

a simple thing. But one

35:13

of the other wonderful aspects

35:15

of humming or making any

35:18

kind of vocal sound, whether

35:20

it be singing or even

35:22

just speaking as I am

35:24

now, is in relation to

35:26

the Vegas nerve. It should

35:28

really be called the Vegas

35:30

nerves plural because there are

35:32

two of them. When the

35:34

Vegas nerves leave the brainstem,

35:36

the first place they go

35:38

to, they branch off literally.

35:40

to our two ears, you

35:42

know, scientific terms, it's called

35:44

that these are called the

35:46

pinna of the ear or

35:48

the oracle of the ear.

35:50

Now when you think about

35:53

this in going way back

35:55

to the evolution of Homo

35:57

sapiens and even farther back

35:59

to mammals, why we to

36:01

ask this question, why did

36:03

nature arrange for the Vegas

36:05

nerves to go straight to

36:07

the ears, right? Great question,

36:09

right? Because this Vegas nerve

36:11

has got nothing to do

36:13

with our hearing. The auditory

36:15

nerve, obviously, is the nerve

36:17

that allows us to hear.

36:19

The auditory nerve is connected

36:21

to the two cochlea, the

36:23

cochlea and left and cochlea

36:25

right in our ears. That's

36:28

how we hear, right, right.

36:30

So why did the Vegas

36:32

nerve go completely separately to

36:34

the pinner of the ear?

36:36

Well, the answer in my

36:38

view, and this is hypothetical

36:40

by the way, because it

36:42

hasn't been proven by scientists,

36:44

but I kind of think

36:46

of any other logical reason

36:48

for it, is that when

36:50

this, if you think of

36:52

your ears, a little bit

36:54

like parabolic dishes that are

36:56

receiving sound in order that

36:58

we can hear better, right?

37:01

You didn't have your ears.

37:03

you would struggle to hear

37:05

actually they do their wonderful

37:07

collectors of sound so that's

37:09

the primary reason for so

37:11

that we can hear but

37:13

the secondary reason in this

37:15

is a hypothetical part of

37:17

it is that it actually

37:19

improves vagal tone this is

37:21

the ability of the vagus

37:23

nerve system in your body

37:25

to operate efficiently and this

37:27

is the reason why I

37:29

believe nature has evolved to

37:31

arrange it this way so

37:33

that the vagus nerve goes

37:36

straight to the pinner of

37:38

the ear. Now from there

37:40

it then goes straight to

37:42

the farings and the larynx.

37:44

So first of all, when

37:46

it goes to the pinner

37:48

of the ear, this is

37:50

really good news because it

37:52

means that we can stimulate

37:54

our vagus nerve system through

37:56

our ears. So now if

37:58

you think about therapies where

38:00

we're using sound as a

38:02

therapy and we're wearing headphones,

38:04

right? and now that's a

38:06

really great efficient way to

38:09

get sound into the pin

38:11

air or the oracle of

38:13

the ear. and straight down

38:15

into the twin Vegas nerves,

38:17

right? Now, let me just

38:19

tell you also a little

38:21

bit about the Vegas nerves

38:23

in terms of why it's

38:25

great for our health. One

38:27

of the wonderful things about

38:29

the Vegas nerve is that

38:31

if we have any chronic

38:33

inflammation in our body, so

38:35

I'm not talking about acute

38:37

inflammation, acute inflammation is necessary.

38:39

If we injure ourselves, we

38:41

have acute inflammation, we have

38:44

acute inflammation. and it's a

38:46

very important part of the

38:48

healing process in humans and

38:50

in animals right but chronic

38:52

inflammation well chronic inflammation only

38:54

occurs in the body because

38:56

usually because of some form

38:58

of abuse either we have

39:00

well I'm saying abuse I

39:02

mean it can be simply

39:04

toxic substances that we have

39:06

imbibed somehow and these toxic

39:08

substances by the way can

39:10

come from food that's being

39:12

sprayed, you know, in certain

39:14

ways, right? So it's not

39:16

necessarily that we're literally, you

39:19

know, in some chemical factory,

39:21

no, we can get toxic

39:23

substances in our body from

39:25

the environment, and mostly, of

39:27

course, it's the man-made environment.

39:29

However, we've gained those toxic

39:31

substances in our body. Unfortunately,

39:33

though, if it happens over

39:35

a long period of time,

39:37

we can have... chronic inflammation

39:39

in the body because of

39:41

has shocked the body to

39:43

such an extent that it

39:45

goes into this situation, is

39:47

downward spiral of chronic inflammation.

39:49

What is chronic inflammation? Well,

39:52

it's one of the ways

39:54

to look at it is

39:56

that in your bloodstream you

39:58

have two types of cytokines.

40:00

These are little tiny parts

40:02

of proteins and they have

40:04

a battle with each other.

40:06

They're literally fighting each other

40:08

and that causes the chronic

40:10

inflammation. In other words, the

40:12

cytokines are not in balance

40:14

with each other. Well, the

40:16

very, very good news here,

40:18

guys, is that if you

40:20

stimulate, optimally stimulate your Vegas

40:22

nerves, the chronic inflammation goes

40:24

away because the cytokines come

40:27

back into balance. And it

40:29

doesn't take very long for

40:31

this to happen. If someone

40:33

has chronic inflammation within about

40:35

three weeks or so of...

40:37

of really excellent vagal stimulation,

40:39

that the cytokines rebalance and

40:41

the chronic inflammation goes away.

40:43

Now it might surprise you

40:45

to know that there is

40:47

no medical cure available for

40:49

someone with chronic inflammation, right?

40:51

This is a fact. There

40:53

is no medical cure. You

40:55

could go to any MD.

40:57

with chronic inflammation, like say

40:59

you have a very severe

41:02

case of fibromyalgia or some

41:04

other autoimmune disease, and there's

41:06

nothing that that doctor can

41:08

give you, other than a

41:10

short-term boost of steroids or

41:12

something, right? But nothing in

41:14

the long term is going

41:16

to fix you. And yet

41:18

many, many researchers have discovered

41:20

that optimal, this is scientific

41:22

studies that have been published,

41:24

optimal vagal stimulation, rebalances the

41:26

site of kinds. and banishes

41:28

the chronic inflammation. So you

41:30

might be thinking what I've

41:32

always thought is, well, why

41:35

are these wonderful medical discoveries

41:37

not in the mainstream, right?

41:39

And it's a really great

41:41

question. And not so long

41:43

ago, actually it was last

41:45

year, I was in Loveland,

41:47

Colorado with the shift network,

41:49

and I learned a very,

41:51

very interesting fact that I

41:53

didn't know, and that is

41:55

that there's a 17-year gap

41:57

between evidence and practice in

41:59

medicine, 17 years it takes,

42:01

on average, for a new

42:03

scientific discovery. to eventually make

42:05

it into the mainstream and

42:07

be embraced and used in

42:10

mainstream medicine. It's a long

42:12

generation. It's a long, yeah

42:14

it is indeed, you know,

42:16

and it's pretty shocking. I

42:18

was really shocked when I

42:20

learned that fact. But anyway,

42:22

so that's, you know, one

42:24

of the good news, little

42:26

things about Vega stimulation, it

42:28

helps us in so many

42:30

different ways and then certainly

42:32

in terms of chronic inflammation

42:34

and the fact that we

42:36

can banish it. simply by

42:38

listening to beautiful music. I'm

42:40

not talking about, you know,

42:42

weird sound frequencies here. I'm

42:45

just talking about really beautiful

42:47

music that we experience through

42:49

our hearing, as long as

42:51

we're wearing good quality headphones.

42:53

Or what about just your,

42:55

your humming, like your normal

42:57

humming? Is that enough to,

42:59

uh, to stimulate it? I

43:01

mean, if you did humming,

43:03

if you did humming every

43:05

day for a few weeks,

43:07

like how long would you

43:09

have to do it for?

43:11

And how do you can

43:13

we just a little bit

43:15

like? You'd try and find

43:18

that resonant frequency when you're

43:20

humming? Yeah, the thing, I'll

43:22

tell you, humming would definitely

43:24

help a lot, although I

43:26

don't think many people would

43:28

take it so seriously that

43:30

they would do it, right?

43:32

You know, it's far easier

43:34

to stick on those headphones,

43:36

plug it into a music

43:38

source, and listen to music,

43:40

which is a very pleasant

43:42

thing to do. Instead of

43:44

sitting there hour after hour,

43:46

humming, right? I mean, I'm

43:48

not decrying, it's a really

43:50

great thing to do. I

43:53

just don't think from a

43:55

realistic point of view that

43:57

many people would actually take

43:59

to that very easily. And

44:01

it's one of the reasons

44:03

why I'm so excited about

44:05

this idea of stimulating the

44:07

Vegas nerve through music. But

44:09

one of the aspects relating

44:11

to what you've just asked

44:13

there about humming is that

44:15

it doesn't get down to

44:17

the optimal frequencies that have

44:19

been discovered by medical science.

44:21

So in the various papers

44:23

that have come out... relating

44:25

to how to optimally stimulate

44:28

one's vagus nerve, the frequencies

44:30

are in the range 5

44:32

to 10 hertz. So in

44:34

other words, they are below

44:36

the range of human hearing.

44:38

And one of the ways

44:40

that medical science is trying

44:42

to, well, trying to get

44:44

this vagal stimulation to become

44:46

popular. is using electrical frequencies

44:48

through the ears. So, you

44:50

know, I talked about the

44:52

fact that the Vegas nerve

44:54

goes straight to the ears.

44:56

Well, you can put these

44:58

little clips, little electrical clips

45:01

on your ear lobes, right,

45:03

and plug them into an

45:05

electrical device that stimulates your

45:07

Vegas nerve electrically. However, that

45:09

is not, again, not very

45:11

pleasant, right? Who would want

45:13

to have their ears tingling,

45:15

you know, for hour after

45:17

hour. However, however, the beautiful

45:19

thing here is that I

45:21

made a discovery that's called

45:23

audio heterodining and it means

45:25

that certain albums of music

45:27

when they are played actually

45:29

create in real time these

45:31

very very low frequencies in

45:33

the range five to ten

45:36

hertz because you can't create

45:38

those low frequencies with your

45:40

own humming that's for sure

45:42

you will still stimulate your

45:44

vagus nerve pretty well but

45:46

not in the optimal range.

45:48

And so this discovery that

45:50

I made, this audio heterodining,

45:52

means that certain albums of

45:54

music, when you play them

45:56

through good college... headphones, when

45:58

I say good, I'm talking

46:00

about headphones that have a

46:02

bottom frequency response of about

46:04

5 hertz. And there are

46:06

many types, you know, many

46:08

makes and models that do

46:11

that, can achieve that. Then

46:13

you're going to be receiving

46:15

optimal vagus stimulation. And so

46:17

if you are a person that

46:19

has a really chronic health

46:21

condition, that might be chronic

46:23

inflammation or some other chronic

46:25

inflammation of a situation in

46:27

your body. then what could be

46:30

better than listening to beautiful music

46:32

through headphones, you know, just sitting

46:34

there in a chair, reading or

46:36

whatever you wish to do, watching

46:38

TV even while you're listening to

46:40

music, I suppose as possible, and then

46:42

within a matter of weeks, all of

46:45

that inflammation in your body just vanishes,

46:47

you know, it's like, it's all too

46:49

good to be true, but it's true.

46:52

What are the evolutionary sort

46:54

of scientists or biologists or

46:56

whatever? What are the... What's like

46:58

mainstream, say, what's the reason for

47:01

that vagus nerve to go through

47:03

your ears and you know past

47:05

your learnics and what's the explanation

47:07

for that because it seems to

47:09

me like there's I can't come

47:11

up with another reason for it other

47:13

than sort of what we're talking about

47:15

here like was it I don't because

47:17

it also begs the questions like

47:19

all these ancient cultures had drumming

47:22

and chanting and all these different

47:24

forms of music making which you

47:26

know. tends to that they probably

47:29

kind of knew what we're talking about.

47:31

Well you think I certainly think

47:33

that drumming I mean I'd love

47:35

to chat with you about drumming

47:37

because there's another really wonderful mechanism

47:39

in the body that we haven't

47:41

touched on yet but you know

47:43

before we we go there just

47:45

to again complete on this business

47:47

of the of the Vegas nerve I

47:49

cannot think of any other logical

47:51

reason why nature arranges the Vegas

47:54

nerve to go straight to the

47:56

pinna of the ear or the

47:58

oracle of the ear and then take

48:00

it straight to the pharynx and

48:02

the larynx, which again is very

48:05

good news because as we've been

48:07

saying, just the act of making

48:09

sound actually helps to support vagal

48:11

tone. It helps to support the

48:14

ability of the vagus nerve system

48:16

to innovate, to connect with all

48:18

of the major organs. So after

48:21

the pharynx and the larynx, the

48:23

vagus nerve goes to the lungs,

48:25

goes to the heart, goes to

48:28

the... the liver, the kidneys and

48:30

so on, to the gut, all

48:32

of these different organs. And it's

48:35

why, by the way, if you

48:37

have a spinal cord injury, as

48:39

you know, many, even some famous

48:41

people have experienced sadly, I think

48:44

in the Christopher Reeves here, if

48:46

you have a spinal cord injury,

48:48

you can still go on living,

48:51

even though the motor parts of

48:53

your body unfortunately, you know, stopped

48:55

functioning. all of the autonomic nervous

48:58

system, you know, the fact that

49:00

you can still breathe, you can

49:02

still, your heart still pumping blood

49:05

around the circulatory system and so

49:07

on, this is because of the

49:09

vagus nerve, because the vagus nerve

49:11

actually innervates the lungs, innervates the

49:14

heart, innervates the gut, and so

49:16

on, right? That's why you can

49:18

still live with a spinal cord

49:21

injury. That

49:24

makes sense. Yeah. Do you want

49:26

to, oh, actually we should probably

49:28

just say, before we move on

49:31

to the drumming, Joe Velachi says

49:33

in the chats, the Vegas nerve

49:35

might have something to do with

49:37

ultra-sonic hearing and other extended hearing

49:40

range phenomena. Well, that's a really

49:42

interesting point and I could talk

49:44

all day about dolphins and their

49:46

ultrasound hearing, because I've done a

49:49

lot of research with dolphins and

49:51

the cymoscope instrument. So that's another

49:53

tangent we could go off on

49:56

too. But let's come now to

49:58

to drumming if we may. Yeah.

50:00

Yeah. Because you know. were talking

50:02

about, you know, ancient peoples, indigenous

50:05

peoples, and it certainly brought up

50:07

the idea of drumming to me.

50:09

Well, I need to share with

50:11

you a little story that started

50:14

in 2018. And this is a

50:16

story concerning Professor Sungchal G of

50:18

Rutgers University, US. He's now emeritus,

50:21

but he was, you know, practicing

50:23

professor at that time. And he

50:25

came here to the lab, invited

50:27

to the lab, invited. And, you

50:30

know, one of the reasons for

50:32

this connection was because I had

50:34

given a scientific talk at a

50:36

conference, another water conference, and he

50:39

was there, and his son, Saeji,

50:41

was there, Saea, by the way,

50:43

is the owner of Green Med

50:46

info.com, probably the world's largest natural

50:48

health websites, but his daddy, Saea,

50:50

Soree, Soree, Suncho, was there, and

50:52

we met and had a good

50:55

chat. Subsequently, he came here in

50:57

2018 and we worked together to

50:59

create a protocol for a new

51:01

experiment with human blood and the

51:04

design of this experiment was intended

51:06

to improve or hopefully prove Pythagoras

51:08

of Samos who said 2000 years

51:10

ago or so, well 2,500 years

51:13

ago, he said music can be

51:15

used in place of medicine. That

51:17

was what his biographer wrote down,

51:20

that he said those words. And

51:22

so the experiment that I designed,

51:24

and with the help of Professor

51:26

G, we created a protocol for

51:29

this experiment. In essence, it's very,

51:31

very simple. You take a test

51:33

tube of whole human blood and

51:35

decanted into two smaller test tubes.

51:38

One test tube goes into a

51:40

very quiet. area of the lab

51:42

called the Faraday cage which is

51:45

electromagneticly screened, but also really very,

51:47

very quiet in there. And the

51:49

other vial of blood goes into

51:51

another incubator in the lab where

51:54

we have a speaker. So now

51:56

we can play music to that

51:58

blood. I think you can see

52:00

where I'm going with this. So

52:03

we have the control in the

52:05

quiet environment and we have the

52:07

blood that's receiving music. What we

52:09

then do is a blood count.

52:12

literally of the red blood cells

52:14

from both environments. And what we

52:16

see, what we saw straight away

52:19

with all different genres of music,

52:21

was a significant increase in the

52:23

viability of the red blood cells

52:25

that were immersed in the music,

52:28

right? And we were very happy

52:30

about this, but we were actually

52:32

scratching our heads as to what

52:34

the driving mechanism was. You know,

52:37

why is it? Why does music

52:39

have this amazing ability? to increase

52:41

the viability of the red blood

52:44

cells. This viability word by the

52:46

way simply means the ratio of

52:48

living red blood cells to dead

52:50

red blood cells. And so increases

52:53

by about 15 to 18% with

52:55

various genres of music that we

52:57

tried. What was most surprising guys

52:59

was that the poorest results came

53:02

from classical music. And we were

53:04

really surprised at this. We actually...

53:06

you know, intuitively thought somehow, I

53:08

don't know how, we thought that

53:11

classical music would provide the best

53:13

result. You know, it's very beautiful,

53:15

it's usually very melodic, very slow.

53:18

And so we assumed that Blood

53:20

would prefer that, let's say, to

53:22

pop music, which has, you know,

53:24

this usually pounding base beat. But

53:27

no, it didn't. And there were

53:29

quite a few percentage points different.

53:31

between the classical music results and

53:33

the popular music. So popular music

53:36

was out shining classic. music. So

53:38

I'm going to cut this very

53:40

short because it takes a long

53:43

time to tell this full story.

53:45

But the kernel of the story

53:47

is that it is the base

53:49

beat of the music that actually

53:52

causes the oxygen that's dissolved in

53:54

the blood. And this oxygen, by

53:56

the way, came from the donor.

53:58

So literally a donor gives blood.

54:01

We get it here in the

54:03

lab the very next day. So

54:05

that the last breath that person

54:07

took male or female, obviously engorged

54:10

the blood with oxygen, then it's

54:12

taken from the body by a

54:14

flabotomist, then it's packed in ice,

54:17

sent here, we warm it up,

54:19

that blood contains lots of oxygen,

54:21

but it turns out that that

54:23

oxygen is not available to the

54:26

hemoglobin molecules in the red blood

54:28

cells. Why? Because there's no sound

54:30

present. What you need in order

54:32

for that... that oxygen to be

54:35

bound to the hemoglobin, you need

54:37

pressure. And in the body, that

54:39

pressure comes from every heartbeat. So,

54:42

you know, everyone knows common knowledge

54:44

that a heartbeat has a low

54:46

frequency sound, right? What was not

54:48

known until we conducted these experiments

54:51

and finally figured out what's going

54:53

on is it's the sound of

54:55

the heartbeat that causes the oxygen

54:57

to be bound to the hemoglobin.

55:00

No sound, no heartbeat, no sound,

55:02

no binding, right? So if your

55:04

heart stops, you know what's going

55:06

to happen, you would lose consciousness

55:09

within a couple of seconds, right?

55:11

And this is because... I just

55:13

keep playing a drum, could I

55:16

keep someone alive? Is that as

55:18

good as I'm going to see

55:20

what I'm doing? Right. Or maybe

55:22

you should be doing CPR and

55:25

have some other fucker hitting the

55:27

drum at the same time. That's

55:29

right. You've got it, right. You've

55:31

got it, right. Right. Right. Right.

55:34

Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right.

55:36

Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. You

55:38

lose consciousness within about two seconds.

55:41

Your brain is still, at that

55:43

moment, your brain is still engorged

55:45

with oxygen. All the blood capillaries

55:47

and veins and so on in

55:50

your brain are still filled with

55:52

blood, still filled with oxygen, but

55:54

suddenly it's not available to the

55:56

hemoglobin because there's no more sound

55:59

pressure from the heartbeat. It's that

56:01

low frequency sound that causes that

56:03

binding of the oxygen. to the

56:05

hemoglobin molecules, right? So that's why

56:08

I'm talking now about these base

56:10

beats being so important in terms

56:12

of that effect, and also drumming,

56:15

which obviously so many indigenous cultures

56:17

have engaged on over the millennia.

56:19

Now you see why it is

56:21

so energizing to the body. It's

56:24

not just about... the dancing which

56:26

in itself has many therapeutic effects

56:28

because it moves limp fluid around

56:30

the body. For example, but now

56:33

we know it also, the sound

56:35

of the drum actually enters into

56:37

your bloodstream in a very similar

56:40

way to what your heart is

56:42

doing, it causes the binding of

56:44

oxygen to the hemoglobin. And then

56:46

when you know, as I mentioned

56:49

much earlier, that oxygen is the

56:51

key molecule in the body for

56:53

healing. So if you've got more

56:55

oxygen in your body, you can

56:58

heal better. Now imagine the scenario

57:00

guys of a hospital of the

57:02

future in which patients are receiving

57:05

low frequency sound through their headphones,

57:07

well from music, right, low frequencies

57:09

via music through headphones, which is

57:11

going to help any kind of

57:14

chronic inflammation that the patient might

57:16

have and also generally stimulate their

57:18

well-being because of the vagal stimulation

57:20

and at the same time the

57:23

bed itself that they're lying on

57:25

has low frequency transducers in it

57:27

and the sound is coming up

57:29

below frequencies of sound are coming

57:32

up through those transducers through the

57:34

mattress into the patient's body not

57:36

in a kind of boring dull

57:39

single tone way but in a

57:41

rhythmic way very like ocean waves

57:43

it's kind of washing up and

57:45

down the patient's body slowly by

57:48

a bedside console where you can

57:50

you can adjust the amplitude you

57:52

can adjust the rate of the

57:54

of the waves if you like,

57:57

you know, can you imagine that

57:59

scenario in the future where hospitals

58:01

are using sound as a healing

58:04

tool instead of simply pharmacological substances.

58:06

Oh, yeah, I love it. That's

58:08

great. Well, we have like 15

58:10

minutes left. So what do we

58:13

want to, do you want to

58:15

mention your contraption, the simoscope that

58:17

you've got behind you there? Or

58:19

what would you like to talk

58:22

about? Because the other interesting thing

58:24

that our listeners might really love

58:26

is your, your, your, experience in

58:28

the pyramids that kind of led

58:31

you to all this, but I

58:33

don't know if we want to,

58:35

you know, get into that is

58:38

probably a longer story, but... I

58:40

can mention it because, you know,

58:42

it was from that work in

58:44

the pyramid that the Simusco instrument

58:47

had its genesis. That's where it

58:49

was born. It was born in

58:51

the Great Pyramid, right? And there's

58:53

so much attention going on in

58:56

the pyramids, and we went to

58:58

Egypt a couple years ago, so

59:00

we should, we should talk about

59:03

that. Sure, and yeah I have

59:05

heard all the chatter recently by

59:07

the way about the scanning of

59:09

the pyramids and so on you

59:12

know so it is a subject

59:14

that I'm obviously passionate about hobby

59:16

you could say you know I

59:18

mean my daddy and I went

59:21

to visited Egypt many many times

59:23

and we are a little bit

59:25

more fortunate in some respects you

59:27

know where we are located here

59:30

in the UK because we're a

59:32

little bit closer of course than

59:34

the US to Egypt. So it

59:37

doesn't take very long for us

59:39

to reach Egypt. Anyway, so it

59:41

was in early 96 that my

59:43

daddy and I were in the

59:46

great pyramid alone. We had been

59:48

in previously, but always with a

59:50

gaggle of tourists, and they make

59:52

so much noise. And, you know,

59:55

when you're in that very highly

59:57

reverberative space, you know, in the

59:59

King's Chamber, I'm referring to here,

1:00:02

in the Great Pyramid, you can

1:00:04

hear a pin drop if you're

1:00:06

quiet, right? But when people make

1:00:08

sound with the vocal apparatus, oh

1:00:11

my God, it just bounces around,

1:00:13

and it's really, you know, it's,

1:00:15

it's a sacred space, and yet

1:00:17

people... just don't seem to respect

1:00:20

that fact very often and make

1:00:22

a lot of noise. Anyway, as

1:00:24

it happened, very luckily, my daddy

1:00:26

and I in early 96, February

1:00:29

96, we found ourselves alone and

1:00:31

because I think it was it

1:00:33

was toward lunch time in the

1:00:36

way that its system worked then,

1:00:38

I don't know how it works

1:00:40

now, but then they sold a

1:00:42

load of tickets in the morning

1:00:45

and in the afternoon. So when

1:00:47

the morning tickets was sold out...

1:00:49

you couldn't get in right until

1:00:51

the afternoon session started and as

1:00:54

it happened when we got there

1:00:56

it was toward lunch time so

1:00:58

I think everyone that had wanted

1:01:01

to go in had gone in

1:01:03

come out and there we were

1:01:05

all alone so what I did

1:01:07

guys was I lay in the

1:01:10

sarcophagus this box of granite basically

1:01:12

three point seven tons of rose

1:01:14

colored granite from Aswan and this

1:01:16

Aswan granite by the way has

1:01:19

a very high quartz content. It's

1:01:21

about 20% of the matrix in

1:01:23

the stone is quartz and that

1:01:25

makes it highly resonant. And because

1:01:28

at that time in my career

1:01:30

I was an acoustics engineer, I

1:01:32

wasn't a scientist in those days.

1:01:35

And so I was, you know,

1:01:37

from an engineering perspective, acoustics engineering,

1:01:39

I was really interested in the

1:01:41

resonant properties of that sarcophagus, which

1:01:44

is why I lay in it.

1:01:46

My daddy was standing by watching

1:01:48

silently. and I made a vocal

1:01:50

glissando and just to experience the

1:01:53

sound of that of that wonderful

1:01:55

little box. And it's one particular

1:01:57

vocal frequency. It felt like every

1:02:00

cell in my body was tingling.

1:02:02

And then when I did a

1:02:04

little experiment, I raised my vocal

1:02:06

pitch above this, what I now

1:02:09

call the goldilock zone, raised it

1:02:11

above that, and the tingling stopped.

1:02:13

I came down below it and

1:02:15

the tingling stop. So right at

1:02:18

that particular sweet spot, all the...

1:02:20

all the cells in my body

1:02:22

felt like they were tingling and

1:02:25

goose bumps broke out all over

1:02:27

my flesh. And so it was

1:02:29

fascinating to me to play with

1:02:31

that little sweet spot. And what

1:02:34

the idea that crossed my mind

1:02:36

was that this seemed to be

1:02:38

designed, I thought it had been

1:02:40

designed by the ancient Egyptians. And

1:02:43

so I wanted to go back

1:02:45

this time with acoustics instrumentation to

1:02:47

actually measure the resonant properties of

1:02:49

the sarcophagus. Well I did that

1:02:52

in later that same year I

1:02:54

gained permission and I carried out

1:02:56

a series of well just very

1:02:59

standard acoustics experiments nothing usually interesting

1:03:01

although there was one aspect that

1:03:03

I could mention but but really

1:03:05

what I really wanted to do

1:03:08

was a cymatics experiment and I

1:03:10

didn't have time in the 96

1:03:12

experiments but I went back again

1:03:14

in 97 and this one this

1:03:17

time specifically for a cymatics experiment.

1:03:19

So, you know, the principle of

1:03:21

cymatics is really simple. Whenever sound

1:03:24

is present and a membrane is

1:03:26

present, there will be a pattern

1:03:28

of acoustic energy imprinted on that

1:03:30

membrane. And these membranes, by the

1:03:33

way, I'm not talking about now,

1:03:35

like a membrane of latex or

1:03:37

plastic or something, I'm talking about

1:03:39

any surface literally around you is

1:03:42

a form of membrane. And literally,

1:03:44

as I'm speaking now, there will

1:03:46

be beautiful patterns on the screen

1:03:48

of my computer right which you

1:03:51

can't I can't see with the

1:03:53

unaided eye, right, but they're there

1:03:55

nevertheless. And so in this case,

1:03:58

with the sarcophagus, the idea was

1:04:00

to stretch a membrane across the

1:04:02

open top of the sarcophagus, and

1:04:04

instead of me lying in it,

1:04:07

now I placed a small speaker

1:04:09

there so I could make sound

1:04:11

into the sarcophagus from a little

1:04:13

electronic oscillator, right? And so, and

1:04:16

then the revealing medium, I would

1:04:18

talk about... how you see how

1:04:20

you make visible cymatic patterns well

1:04:23

as various ways one of them

1:04:25

is literally powder particulate matter on

1:04:27

a membrane so in this case

1:04:29

the membrane was plastic it was

1:04:32

actually PVC and the sand that

1:04:34

we used came from outside the

1:04:36

pyramid because it got lots of

1:04:38

sand in Egypt you know and

1:04:41

that was the revealing medium that

1:04:43

we use it's a little bit

1:04:45

like I liken it to you

1:04:47

know when you pick up a

1:04:50

glass with your finger and thumb

1:04:52

you will create a fingerprint or

1:04:54

a thumbprint on that glass while

1:04:57

both. But you won't be able

1:04:59

to see it. And even if

1:05:01

you know it's there, it's really

1:05:03

hard to see. But if you

1:05:06

sprinkle on some talcum powder, ah,

1:05:08

straight away, you can see that

1:05:10

finger or thumbprint, right? Forensic science.

1:05:12

Same as sort of principle with

1:05:15

sound on a membrane. In this

1:05:17

case, you sprinkle on a revealing

1:05:19

medium. In this case, sand from

1:05:22

outside the pyramid. and then you're

1:05:24

making visible the resonances in the

1:05:26

sarcophagus and that's what that was

1:05:28

the whole design of the experiment.

1:05:31

But what happened was three weeks

1:05:33

before going out to Egypt I

1:05:35

really badly injured my lower back

1:05:37

to such an extent that I

1:05:40

thought I wouldn't be able to

1:05:42

go and do this experiment I

1:05:44

was in such agony and nothing

1:05:46

that I did seemed to help

1:05:49

it you know went to a

1:05:51

physiotherapist I took lots of... analgesic

1:05:53

painkillers nothing seemed to touch this

1:05:56

pain and so anyway in the

1:05:58

end I did managed to get

1:06:00

myself to Egypt, other people carried

1:06:02

the equipment. And it's really difficult

1:06:05

to get into the into the

1:06:07

great pyramid. Oh yeah, that's a

1:06:09

hobble up that shaft. Yeah, it

1:06:11

really is. It's difficult. You have

1:06:14

to bend forward. Well, in my

1:06:16

case, I had what felt like

1:06:18

a splint up my spine because

1:06:21

as I've later found out many

1:06:23

years later when studying the physiology

1:06:25

of spinal injuries, it's something called

1:06:27

the splinting cycle. It's literally like

1:06:30

your body creates a stiffness in

1:06:32

your spine in this case to

1:06:34

protect the sight of the injury.

1:06:36

I had done something really silly

1:06:39

guys. I had bent to one

1:06:41

side and lifted something and I

1:06:43

really damaged muscles in my lower

1:06:45

back. And then all of the

1:06:48

other muscles in that area they

1:06:50

collaborate you could say and splint

1:06:52

the area in order to protect

1:06:55

it. And what happens when that

1:06:57

occurs? it creates a lot of

1:06:59

pain in your lower spine, so

1:07:01

much pain, much more pain, much

1:07:04

more pain than the original injury.

1:07:06

So I was in a lot

1:07:08

of pain that day when I

1:07:10

tried to get myself into the

1:07:13

pyramid. But what I'm going to

1:07:15

share with you now is really

1:07:17

why I'm on this path that

1:07:20

I'm on today in terms of

1:07:22

researching how sound and music support

1:07:24

healing in the body because... within

1:07:26

20 minutes of making sound in

1:07:29

the king's chamber, all of the

1:07:31

pain left me. Now something happened

1:07:33

and never came back, by the

1:07:35

way, that pain never returned. So

1:07:38

it was a real healing and

1:07:40

it's not, it's not a miracle,

1:07:42

you know, there's a scientific reason

1:07:44

for this that I'm going to

1:07:47

explain to you now. But before

1:07:49

I do that, just to say

1:07:51

that initially I was a little

1:07:54

bit... Well, put off the send

1:07:56

you could say by what had

1:07:58

happened because about 20 minutes into

1:08:00

setting up this experiment, we started

1:08:03

to see. see I say we

1:08:05

the antiquities inspector and me started

1:08:07

to see ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs appear

1:08:09

in the membrane stretched across this

1:08:12

sarcophagus right and this was like

1:08:14

oh my god I don't believe

1:08:16

this you know this is like

1:08:19

these things don't happen but it

1:08:21

was happening and so the antiquities

1:08:23

inspector who initially had been standing

1:08:25

up against the North War filing

1:08:28

his nails and looking across at

1:08:30

me with a very bored expression

1:08:32

on his face and probably thinking

1:08:34

this Englishman is a bit you

1:08:37

know not quite right in the

1:08:39

head but he's paid all this

1:08:41

money to come and do these

1:08:44

experiments so yeah he's not doing

1:08:46

any harm you know let's just

1:08:48

let him do what he's doing

1:08:50

but now you saw this hieroglyph

1:08:53

and it was large on the

1:08:55

membrane and it was snaking literally

1:08:57

like a writhing like a snake

1:08:59

and it was the backbone of

1:09:02

the god Osiris. This is the

1:09:04

jed pillar, DJED pillar. And there

1:09:06

it was, you know, in all

1:09:08

its glory. And now he came

1:09:11

running across from where he'd been

1:09:13

standing. And his eyes were open

1:09:15

like this. How you say, how

1:09:18

you do that? How you do

1:09:20

that? And I just had to

1:09:22

shrug my shoulders. I had no

1:09:24

idea. I thought we were going

1:09:27

to be seeing typical cymatic patterns,

1:09:29

which are usually circular, usually symmetrical,

1:09:31

and usually you know very very

1:09:33

beautiful to behold this was actually

1:09:36

a completely different scenario here we

1:09:38

had a hieroglyph and he recognized

1:09:40

it I recognized it and now

1:09:43

he was saying well what can

1:09:45

how can I help you what

1:09:47

can I do and so that

1:09:49

we became a little team right

1:09:52

and he would you know scrape

1:09:54

off the sand off the membrane

1:09:56

and then I would be sprinkling

1:09:58

on fresh sand with a cappuccino

1:10:01

chocolate shaker by the way that's

1:10:03

what I was using and then

1:10:05

start again with a new frequency

1:10:07

and then we would see another

1:10:10

hieroglyph and another and another different

1:10:12

hieroglyphs occurred that day and I

1:10:14

photographed them and we still, you

1:10:17

know, we have the photographs to

1:10:19

prove it. In those days, by

1:10:21

the way, it was the very

1:10:23

early days of digital photography. So

1:10:26

I was using a film camera

1:10:28

because in those days, a high

1:10:30

resolution digital photograph would be classed

1:10:32

as 100 kilobites. I'm not exaggerating.

1:10:35

That would be, you know, high-res,

1:10:37

100 kilobites. Anyway, so... I took

1:10:39

the film camera. All of the,

1:10:42

all of those, you know, films

1:10:44

came out. They were all beautiful.

1:10:46

What were some of the other

1:10:48

hiring lists? Well, another one was,

1:10:51

was the, was called the Sar

1:10:53

loop, which is actually the hiring

1:10:55

lift for protection. And then we

1:10:57

also saw, the sun god, which

1:11:00

is, raw, the sun god, is

1:11:02

a circle inside a circle. and

1:11:04

many others very very recognizable you

1:11:06

know there wasn't like we had

1:11:09

to stretch our imagination there was

1:11:11

there was also the sacred eye

1:11:13

of Horace now that is something

1:11:16

that may relate to the pineal

1:11:18

land because the ancient Egyptians were

1:11:20

very good at dissecting bodies and

1:11:22

there's a lot of talk about

1:11:25

the ancient Egyptians. having knowledge of

1:11:27

the pineal gland, and because it

1:11:29

looks like an eye in cross-section,

1:11:31

you know, I have wondered about

1:11:34

that. Anyway, I don't know whether

1:11:36

that's true or not, but certainly

1:11:38

many different hieroglyphs. And so when

1:11:41

all these hieroglyphs started to appear,

1:11:43

obviously I was excited, right? You

1:11:45

know, who wouldn't be under those

1:11:47

circumstances? And I thought when I

1:11:50

noticed that there was no pain

1:11:52

suddenly in my lower back, I

1:11:54

thought, ah, these are, there are

1:11:56

endorphins flowing in my bloodstream, these

1:11:59

are natural opioids that actually... help

1:12:01

to mask pain when you're in

1:12:03

a peak excitement, you know, peak

1:12:05

experience. It takes you into a

1:12:08

kind of euphoric state and it

1:12:10

mediates pain. And I thought that's

1:12:12

what's happening right now. I didn't

1:12:15

have to worry about it. I

1:12:17

just got on with the experiment.

1:12:19

But it was so, I felt

1:12:21

so wonderful at the end of

1:12:24

the experiment, I was and had

1:12:26

no pain still. I was able

1:12:28

to actually help to pack up

1:12:30

the equipment. helped to carry it

1:12:33

out, right? It was like, it

1:12:35

felt like a miracle at the

1:12:37

time. And of course that set

1:12:40

me on this path that I'm

1:12:42

on today. Wow. So in addition,

1:12:44

of course, the other, as you

1:12:46

mentioned, about the Simoscope instrument, seeing

1:12:49

these ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs said to

1:12:51

me, if we can see ancient

1:12:53

Egyptian hieroglyphs pop out on a

1:12:55

membrane stretched across. and so I'm

1:12:58

you know I feel really privileged

1:13:00

and honored to have had that

1:13:02

experience. And of course that's why

1:13:04

I ultimately designed and developed the

1:13:07

Simoscope instrument and now it's being

1:13:09

used in universities all over the

1:13:11

world for many different sciences and

1:13:14

so I'm you know I feel

1:13:16

really privileged and honored to have

1:13:18

had that experience. So what turned

1:13:20

out to be what I thought

1:13:23

at the time was really something

1:13:25

horrible that had happened to me

1:13:27

this back injury. turned out to

1:13:29

be a great gift not only

1:13:32

for me but for humanity because

1:13:34

now we are literally beginning to

1:13:36

make bridges into mainstream medicine with

1:13:39

sound therapy and with music medicine

1:13:41

because of the ability to visualize

1:13:43

it. I mean that really played

1:13:45

a big part because it's something

1:13:48

tangible for everybody to see this

1:13:50

frequency makes this shape you know

1:13:52

that's right yeah but in addition

1:13:54

to that you know the fact

1:13:57

that I had that experience from

1:13:59

the healing of my lower back

1:14:01

meant that I've gone in this

1:14:03

direction of understanding the biological reasons

1:14:06

for this. And so in just

1:14:08

a couple of years ago, I

1:14:10

was invited to write a new...

1:14:13

chapter for a new medical textbook

1:14:15

on these subjects and that's gone

1:14:17

now to thousands of medical doctors

1:14:19

all over the world and so

1:14:22

you know the knowledge is being

1:14:24

spread it's burgeoning out into the

1:14:26

world and this is a really

1:14:28

great thing. I wonder which one

1:14:31

year because I mean I'm not

1:14:33

going to mention any names because

1:14:35

I don't want to get anyone

1:14:38

in trouble but we were lucky

1:14:40

enough to be alone in the

1:14:42

King's Chamber. We were in there

1:14:44

with a very dedicated group and

1:14:47

everyone was quiet and we everyone

1:14:49

got a chance to go in

1:14:51

the box and we were some

1:14:53

there's a bunch of humming while

1:14:56

we were in the box so

1:14:58

everyone sort of got a chance

1:15:00

to experience that I mean it

1:15:03

would be cool to do with

1:15:05

the thing I mean I mean

1:15:07

I mean man the net makes

1:15:09

you want to go back to

1:15:12

Egypt and bring like that. What

1:15:14

you're saying there Darren brings to

1:15:16

mind what I didn't share I

1:15:18

don't know if we got any

1:15:21

time left or not? We got

1:15:23

a couple minutes. Okay well what

1:15:25

I didn't share about the 96

1:15:27

experiments and this is why you

1:15:30

do want to go back down

1:15:32

you do want to go back

1:15:34

to the great pyramid and I'll

1:15:37

tell you why because in the

1:15:39

96 experiments I had a small

1:15:41

speaker again in the bottom of

1:15:43

the sarcophagus but this time no

1:15:46

membrane what I was doing was

1:15:48

exciting the sarcophagus with different frequencies

1:15:50

of sound and then I had

1:15:52

a met what's called a measurement

1:15:55

microphone which is a calibrated microphone

1:15:57

picking up the sound from the

1:15:59

same box, the same granite box,

1:16:02

and then sending that signal into

1:16:04

a spectrum analyzer in order to

1:16:06

map the resonances of that granite

1:16:08

box, right? That's sarcophagus. That's what

1:16:11

I was doing. And at one

1:16:13

particular frequency, suddenly the sarcophagus became

1:16:15

very excited. It was amazing what

1:16:17

happened. It was suddenly extremely loud.

1:16:20

This is because of pure resonance,

1:16:22

right? and then when I try

1:16:24

to shift the frequency a little

1:16:26

bit above that area Suddenly, the

1:16:29

whole sarcophagus began to beat like

1:16:31

a beating heart. Boom, boom, boom,

1:16:33

and the Antigones inspector this time,

1:16:36

he was a still same guy

1:16:38

by the way, you know, as

1:16:40

in 97, the Antigones inspector now,

1:16:42

he rushed across again from where

1:16:45

he'd been standing, looking bored, and

1:16:47

he was actually shocked. He thought

1:16:49

I was gonna damage the sarcophagus

1:16:51

because it was very powerful, this

1:16:54

sound, and it was, you know,

1:16:56

reverberating around the king's chamber, really,

1:16:58

really loudly. And it just sounded

1:17:01

like a beating hard guy, and

1:17:03

actually very recently, because of the

1:17:05

shift network course, I have just

1:17:07

written an article all about what's

1:17:10

called rebirth symbolism in relation to

1:17:12

the Great Pyramid, because it turns

1:17:14

out from mainstream Egyptology that the

1:17:16

Great Pyramid was a resurrection machine.

1:17:19

That's the term that's being used

1:17:21

by Dr. Renee Friedman, who's a

1:17:23

very senior Egyptologist, American Egyptologist. And

1:17:25

so it's a resurrection machine. So

1:17:28

I go into great detail in

1:17:30

this article, which is actually being

1:17:32

shared with the Schiff network members.

1:17:35

And it all stems, in my

1:17:37

case, from hearing the sarcophagus beat

1:17:39

like a heart. And why I'm

1:17:41

telling you, Darren, that this would

1:17:44

be a great thing for you

1:17:46

to do. is because what I

1:17:48

have now realized is that we

1:17:50

could create this effect with vocal

1:17:53

energy. So instead of having a

1:17:55

speaker sitting in the bottom of

1:17:57

the sarcophagus, now we've got a

1:18:00

person there with a very good

1:18:02

voice, and then around the sarcophagus,

1:18:04

we've got other singers standing, can

1:18:06

be a mixture of male and

1:18:09

female, doesn't matter. And so the

1:18:11

guy in the sarcophagus might be

1:18:13

you, creates this particular frequency. that

1:18:15

I've discovered. And then the other

1:18:18

people, as soon as the exarchovators,

1:18:20

gets really excited at your... vocal

1:18:22

frequency, then the other guys start

1:18:24

chiming in with their voices at

1:18:27

another very specific vocal pitch. And

1:18:29

suddenly, can you imagine that the

1:18:31

sarcophagus, boom, boom, boom, boom. That

1:18:34

would be really exciting. I really

1:18:36

want to do that. And I

1:18:38

hope that we gain permission to

1:18:40

do it. Well, I mean, great.

1:18:43

How do people find that article

1:18:45

that you wrote? Where is that

1:18:47

at? That article is available through

1:18:49

the shift network right now if

1:18:52

you, you know, if you register

1:18:54

for this course. And the course

1:18:56

of frequency medicine course.com, right? Yeah,

1:18:59

that's a frequency medicine course.com. If

1:19:01

you register now, you get that

1:19:03

article free and you get some

1:19:05

other really, you know, tasty things

1:19:08

as well. But that article, it's

1:19:10

been a long time in gestation

1:19:12

and I've only just completed it

1:19:14

after all these years. So I'm

1:19:17

really excited about it. And yeah,

1:19:19

you get that. I will ultimately,

1:19:21

you know, it will go into

1:19:23

our shop ultimately after this course

1:19:26

begins and we have a shop

1:19:28

Sound Made visible.com. So, you know,

1:19:30

if you don't manage to go

1:19:33

to the course, if you don't

1:19:35

manage to register for the course,

1:19:37

then ultimately you can get the

1:19:39

article through via our shop Sound

1:19:42

Made visible.com. Awesome, thank you. Yeah,

1:19:44

this has been great. I mean,

1:19:46

I feel like we, there was

1:19:48

a bunch of tangents that we

1:19:51

could have went down that we

1:19:53

didn't. and we're at a time

1:19:55

and it's getting late over there,

1:19:58

but I'll shoot you an email

1:20:00

because I do have your email

1:20:02

now and maybe we can do

1:20:04

this again down the road. I

1:20:07

feel like their audience is going

1:20:09

to really resonate with this one.

1:20:11

It's my favorite subject. So based

1:20:13

talking about, you know, sound therapy,

1:20:16

music medicine, cymatics, all my Egyptologists,

1:20:18

all my favorite subjects. Thanks again

1:20:20

and come back any time. Many

1:20:23

blessings. Bye. Bye. Bye All right

1:20:25

We will do the Ocho later,

1:20:27

put a note in your thing

1:20:29

to do the Ocho, we'll do

1:20:32

the intro. Thanks for listening guys,

1:20:34

we got another show to do,

1:20:36

that won't be on YouTube, but

1:20:38

you can get at other places.

1:20:41

Yeah, I'll catch you over there.

1:20:43

Five pink flamingos and a few

1:20:45

flamenco dancers. They're in the kitchen

1:20:47

and they're baking day of the

1:20:50

dead cookies. And I step into

1:20:52

the kitchen and I'm like, let

1:20:54

me have a lookie. See what

1:20:57

kind of cookie you're cooking up.

1:20:59

And they're looking up at me

1:21:01

skeptical. And I point X to

1:21:03

my spectacles. And I'm wearing a

1:21:06

maroon harbor t-shirt t-shirt. Yeah, I

1:21:08

know I'm a smart cookie, but

1:21:10

I'm no psychic. You can come

1:21:12

and ring my bell. Where are

1:21:15

we going to end up in

1:21:17

the future? I can never tell.

1:21:19

I can never tell. Yeah. Yeah.

1:21:22

Yeah. We're settling

1:21:24

our differences. Benjaminato pulls

1:21:26

out a game of

1:21:28

Chinese checkers and he

1:21:30

orders a capuccino. And

1:21:32

I pick blue and

1:21:34

he picks red and

1:21:36

you pick yellow. And

1:21:38

I'm wearing a tie-out

1:21:40

piece-line t-shirt. Yeah, I

1:21:42

know I'm a peacemick,

1:21:44

but I ain't no

1:21:46

hypocrite. You could come

1:21:48

and ring my... But

1:21:51

we're gonna end up in the future I

1:21:54

can never tell I can never tell I

1:21:56

can never tell One

1:22:00

bell, one man. And with

1:22:02

my sense of smell I

1:22:04

can smell the salt

1:22:06

man tears. And I

1:22:08

with my sense

1:22:10

of smell,

1:22:12

I can smell

1:22:14

the salt

1:22:16

in your tears

1:22:19

can sense I

1:22:21

can sense your

1:22:23

fears hoping

1:22:25

hoping for a bit of

1:22:27

divinity This

1:22:30

worldly vicinity is. And

1:22:32

you the

1:22:34

fragility of the human the human

1:22:36

vessel. And you you sit in

1:22:38

the inside like a

1:22:40

pet a pretzel. And you you to a

1:22:42

transcendental state when you

1:22:44

meditate state you levitate to

1:22:46

a transcendental state when you

1:22:48

meditate to a transcendental. And

1:22:51

you levitate to

1:22:54

a transcendental state When

1:22:56

you're mad at

1:22:58

me me