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1:03

Friends and welcome to the happy Hour with

1:05

Jamie! I did podcasts I'm your host Jamie

1:07

and I'm so glad you're here! Each week

1:09

on this show I invited to join me

1:11

and we chat about the big things are

1:13

my, a little things in life and everything

1:15

in between. He

1:26

brings. This is Jason totally the audio engineer for

1:28

their Jimmy Recently released a statement on Instagram that

1:31

she is stepping away from podcasting for a while.

1:33

As a team, we've decided to air the six

1:35

conversations there were already recorded. We decide to do

1:37

this for a couple reasons. Person: want to honor

1:40

the guess We want to honor the projects that

1:42

they have worked on and we also really want

1:44

to honor the stories that are sharing. If this

1:46

is your first time to listen to the happy

1:48

hour or you do with Jamie since the beginning.

1:51

Thank you! You're the reason this community really is

1:53

so great. We want you to keep having your

1:55

own happy hour. with your friends reading new

1:57

and exciting books and finding new things that

2:00

loving all the time. And on behalf of Jamie and the

2:02

whole team, we love you. Molly,

2:05

welcome to the happy hour. I am so

2:07

excited to be here. This is the

2:09

greatest day ever. I am so excited

2:11

to have you here for a couple reasons. Are you ready

2:13

to hear them? Okay. Number one, you came all

2:16

the way to Austin, Texas. Yes. We're

2:18

in person. This is so fun. Yeah. So

2:20

fun. I wish that every interview could be in person because

2:22

it's so much more fun and we get to look at

2:24

each other. We could like hold hands if we wanted. I'm

2:26

here. Are you a touch her? I am a touch her

2:28

too. Yes. Yes. Your daughter was sweet. Is

2:30

she really a hugger? She really is. Cause when your

2:32

daughter walked in, I was like, are you a hugger

2:34

or a shaker? Which shaker feels weird. I

2:38

mean, hand shaker. Yes. Uh, but

2:40

I'm a hugger. Yes. And it feels good in person.

2:42

I know. I'm yeah, this really is just such a

2:45

joy, a joy. I mean, I got off a plane

2:47

like two hours ago and then I had torches and

2:49

then I had case. Oh, that was like, do not

2:51

pass go. Do not collect $200 went straight to

2:54

get case though. And then I came here. So

2:56

it's great. Is North Carolina known for its case

2:58

though? Depends on where you go.

3:00

Wow. But not, it's, it's not Texas. Yeah.

3:02

So it's not. So like when

3:04

I go to Houston, it's Lupe tortilla for me.

3:07

Okay. Love it. And then when I go to

3:09

Austin, it's towards Portuguese case. There is

3:11

a Torchees in North Carolina, but it's like

3:13

an hour away. So I don't, it doesn't

3:15

feel, it feels an authentic. Yeah.

3:18

Well I mean, Austin, we have the

3:20

case though. Yeah. You do. So good. So good. It's

3:23

so good. I'm so glad you're here. Thanks for coming

3:25

to my house. Thank you so much for having me.

3:27

Okay. So I knew about you because

3:29

I was on your show long time ago, long time

3:31

ago, like eight years forever

3:33

ago. Yeah. And then within the

3:35

past couple of years, our mutual

3:37

friend Sharon has told me about

3:40

you. She is the best. And before I even

3:42

knew you or knew what your book was about,

3:44

I saw the cover and I said, I immediately

3:46

need to have you on the show based on

3:48

the cover of your book. Yes. This is

3:51

the greatest. That's such an encouragement to

3:53

me. Is anyone, if you've been listening to happy art for a long

3:55

time, you know, I love a cover, love a cover. Tell me about

3:57

the cover. So I

3:59

really. wanted my cover to,

4:01

I wanted you to

4:03

really understand what you were getting

4:05

into. Yes. So I knew I

4:08

wanted a childhood photo on there because so much

4:10

of the book actually takes place during childhood. But

4:13

the photo I chose in particular

4:15

was, it's just a really iconic,

4:18

like childhood photo of 100%. And

4:20

it's one of those pictures that you're like, am

4:22

I about to cry? Am I about to

4:24

laugh? Am I about to fart? Any

4:27

of those things are possible. And so, and

4:29

so Sharon was like, I love how most

4:31

people these days put these like beautiful

4:34

photo like professional headshots

4:36

on their covers and yours is

4:38

the most unflattering childhood photo. And I'm

4:40

like, yeah, I need you to know what you're getting into when you

4:42

open this. That's why I wanted to read your book. This

4:45

is like a case for, I mean, I've had my photo

4:47

on the cover of a book. I

4:49

kind of wish it wasn't because this photo

4:51

sells more books. Yeah. Yeah.

4:54

I just need you to know. Yes. Okay.

4:58

I have a advanced reader

5:00

copy. I do not have the final edition. I

5:03

saw the final edition on Amazon and

5:05

I read the cover and I thought,

5:07

I'm sorry, did Kristin Hannah

5:10

write the forward for

5:12

this book? Yes. And

5:14

I was like, okay, I'm sorry. One of

5:16

my favorite authors. Yeah. Who

5:19

writes amazing books. Yeah. Once I

5:21

got into your story and I actually listened to her read the forward

5:23

to me on, what else,

5:25

on Audible or whatever. I

5:28

knew why. Can you talk about that? Yeah.

5:30

It's a wild God story for sure. And it's

5:32

one of those, like, I realize that I have

5:35

no theological backing for this, but I like to

5:37

just picture my mom up in heaven being like

5:39

tapping Jesus on the shoulder and being like, we're

5:41

going to arrange this. Okay. So

5:44

again, no theological proof for that, but it is

5:46

where I know I'd like to say this. I

5:48

could get in trouble for this. I think some of things

5:50

like that as like your mom tapping the shoulder.

5:52

What is it hard if you believe that? Right.

5:55

I just hear you. Does it hurt? Yes,

5:57

exactly. Is your dog up in heaven?

6:00

running around? Maybe. Maybe.

6:02

Who knows? Why does it hurt

6:04

if you believe it? I know. Thank you.

6:06

Yes, exactly. I am a seminary dropout.

6:09

So I... Yes. Okay. I'm here

6:11

for it. Mom's having Jesus. Got it.

6:13

So I've been a

6:15

fan of Kristen's work as probably

6:17

most red blooded Americans are.

6:20

Well, really around the world. I mean, she's written

6:22

The Nightingale. The Great Alone is my favorite book.

6:24

That's the one in Alaska. Yes. I thought about

6:26

that book for weeks after. I have read it

6:28

three times and I don't read books multiple times.

6:30

I just got the chills because I still wonder

6:32

how they're doing. It's so good. It's so good.

6:35

And so I had followed her work because I'm

6:37

kind of trying... I'm slowly making work. I haven't

6:39

even read all of her books because she's written

6:41

like 26. Yeah. And I was following

6:43

her on social media and then about a year ago, she

6:46

posted a 15 second, there

6:48

was no words, just

6:50

like trailer for her next book.

6:53

And it was this... The only

6:56

way I can describe it is the music that you would have

6:58

heard in like the sixties and seventies. And

7:00

it had helicopters and it said the

7:02

women. And the second

7:04

I saw it, I said, Oh my

7:07

goodness. She wrote a historical fiction book

7:09

about women in Vietnam. You just knew that way.

7:12

I knew it. I knew it. But there was no

7:14

information about the new book anywhere. And

7:17

then I started digging and eventually came

7:19

across that she had written this historical fiction

7:21

book called The Women about army nurses in

7:23

Vietnam. And I just thought to myself,

7:26

there's absolutely no way that she did research

7:28

for this book and did not come across

7:30

my mom because for people that don't know,

7:33

my mom was an army nurse in Vietnam.

7:35

And her memoir

7:37

that she published in 1983 called Home

7:39

Before Morning was the very first

7:41

nonfiction account of the war written by a

7:43

woman. Sally Field had

7:46

optioned it to become a movie in the mid

7:48

eighties. The show China Beach was like loosely based

7:50

off of it in the late eighties. And

7:52

so I was like, there's just no way that she, that

7:55

Kristen didn't come across her. And So

7:57

I reached out to Kristen, but she's Kristen Hanna.

8:00

How many? how am I going to get in

8:02

touch with her about? I I gotta shoot my

8:04

saw a medical journal some and I'd emailed. I

8:06

was like the Eminger on Instagram. No reply. And.

8:08

Then a couple months later as she did

8:11

another post about the women and finally I'd

8:13

emailed again and I dm the gun and

8:15

then I commented and I just as like

8:17

say. I'm Molly still man and

8:19

the daughter of Linda. The end of the

8:22

Inner Ears and ah, home before morning. I

8:24

would just really like to talk with you.

8:27

Five. Minutes later I get a Dm from her. And

8:30

she is like I have been

8:32

looking for you and. So.

8:35

We start sending messages back and forth. She's

8:37

i can I send you an advance copy

8:39

of the book? I said okay sure plus

8:41

I'd I'd sooner And then she senses she

8:43

overnights it to me. I opened it up

8:45

and there is a something in me that

8:47

like went to the acknowledgements. And

8:50

in the acknowledgements as the women it

8:52

says. on before morning island of

8:54

and ran her and I. Started

8:56

sobbing in my kitchen.

8:59

I was like because to me with no accident

9:01

a my. Favorite. Author:

9:04

Wrote. A book. About

9:07

women in Vietnam. And it was

9:09

just one of those moments that I was like,

9:11

okay, God or rights And then the fact that

9:13

her book was coming out a month and a

9:15

half before mine. Like, And that's. Plan.

9:17

To use an advance right? And so I read

9:19

it. in a day and a half. Sobbed.

9:22

Through the and basically the whole thing. And if

9:24

you've read the women, if you read my book,

9:27

if you read my mom's looked like. You.

9:29

Can see where she pulled all that from

9:32

and so she sent me messages you like,

9:34

did you get it I said yes and

9:36

she was like did you see the close

9:38

as I said yes the zoo that can

9:41

I call you and I said sure

9:43

Kristin, Hannah, you can compete And so we

9:45

ended up talking on the phone for like

9:47

two hours while and we realized we

9:49

had so much in common and ah than

9:52

a couple months later. I

9:54

got invited along with her up to

9:56

D C for the thirtieth anniversary of

9:58

the Vietnam Women's Memorial. And

10:01

am size invited to speak their on

10:03

a more on our Veterans day and

10:05

she was there and are we got

10:07

lines and it i mean she just

10:10

a me with it was just one

10:12

of those experiences that like I will

10:14

never forget and but being there with

10:16

all of my mom's you know army

10:18

friends and her nurse friends and got

10:21

said connect with Diane Carlson Evans and

10:23

Stone Fury and all the is just

10:25

incredible like powerhouse women am and at

10:27

the time you know she christened knew

10:30

I was writing. A book. And. She

10:32

was like whoa, oh miss your manuscript. And

10:34

all that okay like how I

10:36

got sweaty are now knows what?

10:39

he's a specific okay I'm. Here

10:41

is my book. Enormous. She's. Like.

10:43

Just prolific author and this is my

10:45

very first book and so I gave

10:48

it's you Are and shoes I'd love

10:50

to write, endorsement and all that will

10:52

that would be gold And a long

10:54

story short like a couple weeks later

10:56

she sent me attacks and she's like

10:58

I'm. Almost. Done with your book.

11:00

I love it and I was like can

11:02

eat again just like. Choking

11:05

on yeah just like everything was hot

11:07

and sweaty and I'm like I can't

11:09

believe this. I'm. And then I

11:12

just was like. What's. The where she

11:14

can say is no and so I said

11:16

would you possibly consider I'm I'm writing a

11:18

short forward and I was like I gave

11:21

her every hour of if you don't have

11:23

to have you had so what's going on

11:25

like you don't have to do this and

11:27

she was like. All think about it, but I'll

11:29

give you an endorsement of like, okay, So.

11:32

And nother couple weeks go by my books about

11:34

to go to the printer. This is like couple

11:36

weeks of for Christmas. And

11:39

I tore my editor and I was like

11:41

just says we're going to just hold off

11:43

or just gonna see than one Sunday I'm

11:45

baking bread. Okay, I have my laptop

11:48

open. I get an email from prison him as

11:50

as. Endorsements and I was

11:52

like oh heck pretty awesome. She wrote

11:54

the endorsement that's fantastic. Thirty. Minutes

11:56

later I got an email and person hannah. Forward

11:59

and I. Pastel.

12:01

And my. To this day

12:03

my kids are like I've never seen you

12:05

run like that. I just started doing lap

12:07

us up around the island. I'm just being

12:09

really honest year I just i completely lost

12:11

your mind and then I opened up and

12:14

read it and just thought it's most beautiful,

12:16

forward and incredibly generous. She didn't have to

12:18

do that and it just to this day

12:20

like it's. I still cannot

12:22

believe it. Ah her and she's become

12:24

somebody who. I just really admire her

12:27

generosity and her humility and. I.

12:29

Mean, I'm and I'm nobody. And she

12:31

is. Who. She is your the

12:33

one selling book in the world right now

12:35

and she just like had that violence she

12:37

stole like regularly text me and second how

12:39

can I help him so kind to come

12:41

in some kind of become I'm and torah

12:43

and she's she says like I see so

12:45

much of you and me when I first

12:47

started and that's just humbling and a sweet

12:49

so grateful that a I was It's been

12:51

a really cool and we we both kind

12:53

of think like like there's just there was

12:55

there was This is not an accident. I

12:57

agree that I agree my mom has read

12:59

the women I have not. I'm saving up

13:01

for the summer. And says he

13:03

called me says accused like an elite how these

13:06

women are treated in Vietnam when they came home

13:08

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15:35

her story is you're talking here a lot about losing your mom

15:37

your senior year in high school. And

15:40

I hadn't really thought about it until this moment. I have

15:42

seniors in high school. And I just, it's

15:45

such a hard time how

15:47

much pressure kids feel and how hard

15:49

it is and all the things. And you

15:51

walk through the death of your mother. You

15:54

talk in the book, which I thought I would love

15:56

to hear your opinions as a mother now. Yeah. You

15:59

talk in the book that your parents. I just knew your mom was on borrowed time

16:01

for a long time and they never told you. You

16:03

knew your mom was sick. How

16:06

does that feel to you as a grownup now? Like

16:09

we're both, I don't know how old you are. I'm late 40s.

16:12

I'm 38, I'm up to 39 in August. Look at you,

16:14

young thing. I know. I know. I'm

16:16

so, so young and vibrant. I'm almost 39. I'm

16:18

46. I

16:21

see the things my parents did

16:23

differently as a 46 year

16:25

old, parenting teenagers. What

16:28

do you think about the way your parents handled that on

16:30

this side? Well, I love the way you just

16:32

said that because that is a conversation I feel like I've

16:34

had with friends a lot recently and something

16:36

that just kind of happened, I think through the process

16:38

of writing a memoir where

16:40

you're really evaluating, like you're really

16:42

like digging back into the recesses

16:44

of your life. And I

16:47

think it wasn't really until the last few years

16:49

that I began to see my parents as the

16:52

whole independent human beings that

16:54

they are outside of just being mom

16:56

and dad. And I think

16:58

that there's a transition and it happens for, I

17:00

think all of us at different ages where we,

17:02

we begin to separate our parents from, because as

17:05

a kid, that's your mom, that's your dad, that's who

17:07

they are. You don't think about, and I

17:09

think your brain is just developed in such a way.

17:11

Like you don't think about the fact that they lived

17:13

a whole life before you. They're

17:16

whole independent human beings. They

17:18

are not just your mom. They are not just your dad.

17:21

And so that has given me

17:23

the space to give my parents grace that

17:26

I kind of wish I had had earlier, but

17:28

I just, it wasn't anything

17:31

I could have had earlier. So

17:34

I don't, in a lot

17:36

of ways, like I don't fault them for the

17:38

decisions that they made. I mean, so my mom

17:40

got sick in the fall of 94.

17:43

She was diagnosed with this just

17:45

insanely rare Agent Orange related disease

17:48

in the spring of 95. So

17:51

Orange is from Vietnam, from Vietnam, yes. And

17:53

so, but it was at a time where like at

17:56

the time the VA only recognized Agent Orange as

17:58

the cause of a couple of cancers. And

18:00

Co Emin shoot the entire time she was

18:02

alive and and fighting the disease. It was

18:05

never recognized officially by the Vi as caused

18:07

by Agent Orange, even though it was. By

18:09

doctors. Okay. I'm a wasn't

18:11

till well after she had died that of

18:14

the a was like oh yeah just kidding

18:16

he was actually Agent Orange. Of elect our. We

18:19

know who Guido were aware.

18:22

And so you. I was in

18:24

fourth grade at the time and.

18:27

I'm nine years old. And.

18:29

I look at. you know, I brought my daughter

18:32

with me today and she's ten should be eleven

18:34

in August and I look at her and I

18:36

think about. What? Are the things I want?

18:38

To protect her from. And.

18:41

We do. I mean with the way that my parents

18:43

raised me in the way that has been and I

18:45

try to raise our kids as we we are very

18:47

open. We have. A little hard honest conversations.

18:49

We don't shy away from hard questions,

18:51

but we do it on an age

18:53

appropriate level. And so

18:55

I think at the time my parents were just.

18:58

Being. Assaulted from every angle

19:01

with really devastating information and

19:03

that plus all of the

19:05

other crap that was happening

19:07

around us with stuff with

19:09

my mom's family and just

19:12

I mean it was. A

19:14

barrage of. Bad. News?

19:17

yes And so I think it was my

19:19

parents of the timer like as they could

19:21

barely handle the information that my mom was

19:23

on borrowed time let alone. Past.

19:26

That information along to and nine yards so.

19:29

In. Some ways, I. Get

19:31

it yet? One hundred percent I get it. I

19:33

totally get it. I don't know where I would

19:35

do if I were faced with the same. Dilemma.

19:39

I'm. You know, I

19:42

think I would probably do the exact

19:44

same thing I think. You know,

19:47

later and either com or seasons. My dad and

19:49

I. Have. Now had to have

19:51

in adulthood that I really wish we'd

19:53

had twenty years ago where I had

19:55

to have some hard conversations and and.

19:59

i think there was some forgiveness that needed to happen was

20:01

my dad, it was really the

20:03

aftermath of her death because he had grieved

20:05

for eight years. But then

20:07

I'm a senior in high school and I'm

20:10

now thrust into grief and there

20:12

was just no conversation about

20:14

it. And my dad just kind

20:16

of was beginning to finally

20:18

move on with his life whereas

20:20

I was just

20:23

lost. I was so

20:26

lost I had a boyfriend of like five whole

20:28

days. I remember that in the book. Bless his

20:30

heart. You know I'm trying to decide if I

20:33

want to go to college, where I'm gonna go

20:35

to college, and my dad's like

20:38

leaving to go away with friends for a weekend.

20:40

So I'm home alone in the house that my

20:42

mom died in. Like no

20:45

one's saying hey you should probably go

20:47

to counseling. Like no one's saying like

20:49

hey you should probably not be alone

20:51

right now. And so weeks after my

20:53

mom died like I'm literally alone in

20:55

a hundred-year-old house that my mom

20:57

died in. It was not good. Like I'm

20:59

making decisions that are not good. And

21:02

I had typically been a pretty

21:04

good kid. But it was kind of at

21:06

that point I was like what does it

21:08

matter? Yeah. Like what like my

21:11

dad he's off doing whatever and he started

21:13

dating almost immediately. And so

21:15

I wasn't brought

21:18

into those conversations. And again my dad and

21:20

I were good like we've had those conversations now.

21:22

I listen to him on your podcast. I

21:24

know he's the best. He just was like just

21:27

talking the whole time. I'm usually just talking.

21:29

He's the best. He's the absolute best. But

21:31

you know I mean he's a flawed human being too.

21:33

And so we both made mistakes.

21:36

And it's taught me more about

21:38

how to guide my own kids through hard things.

21:41

Yeah. I mean

21:43

I can almost close my eyes and I don't know what

21:45

the house looked like where you lived in. But I can

21:47

almost play out the night

21:50

that your mom died. The way you wrote about

21:52

it. And I was

21:54

listening to the book while I was on a walk and I

21:57

have a note app where I was writing all these notes that

21:59

I wanted to To ask you about. And.

22:02

It sounded to me. That.

22:05

With you not really understanding. The.

22:07

Sick. The severity right of your mom's

22:10

illness and how it could be any

22:12

time. I when

22:14

it's it's I wanted to ask you about

22:16

that night when she passed away or because.

22:19

You. Had a disagreement or something and

22:21

you're mad at her? Yeah, And.

22:24

I kept thinking about that and I was like if I

22:26

was molly. Order feel

22:28

about that. We look back

22:31

twenty years ago. You're. Eighteen? Did

22:33

you struggle with regret at an eighteen year

22:35

olds big time? And then I want to

22:37

ask you what that looks like now? Yeah,

22:40

okay time. I was seventeen at the time

22:42

of and so. Yeah.

22:44

I mean as if for some context. See

22:47

you know. My mom had been sick for

22:49

very long time and and hers her illness

22:51

was really like a rollercoaster. Of she would

22:53

be. Pretty. Gray And then she would

22:56

have mostly these. Days where she could basically

22:58

not going out. A bad. Because.

23:00

The disease ravage everything from her

23:02

immune system to a respiratory system

23:04

to her joint serve tissues like

23:06

everything So it was a. You

23:10

know we were having more and more nights

23:12

where she would wake up in the middle

23:14

and I unable to. Breathe on in pulmonary

23:16

edema where we would have climate one

23:18

and she would be rushed to the

23:20

are. And. My dad

23:23

had been traveling that week.

23:26

And. He kind of put me in charge and

23:28

in in in a lot of ways. I was

23:30

an amateur, selfish seventeen year old who thought I

23:33

knew better because my mom was on a million

23:35

medications and she was not supposed to be driving

23:37

and so I had called home that day and

23:39

she without and she was driving and I. Laid

23:42

into her on the phone she hung up

23:44

on me. I got home from school and

23:46

I walked in the house and I laid

23:48

and to her like which. I

23:51

just felt when you were telling that

23:53

salary I just kept going understandably. Yeah,

23:55

I mean, you know what I mean.

23:57

like I understand. Yeah, Why yes? What's

23:59

been Really interesting? If I've heard from

24:01

people who aren't adults who are caring

24:03

for aging parents, Same thing

24:05

they're like a whale the same way and

24:07

are like and I'm an adult and you

24:09

were seventy rights and so that has been

24:12

really like in some ways. Encourage I figured

24:14

out I just i mean it was it

24:16

was a might possibly it was impossible circumstances

24:18

and so I laid into her arm and

24:20

we had gotten into are just a horrible

24:23

fight. Doors were slammed even

24:25

the who was like a house we really

24:27

couldn't swim. doors that are going to be

24:29

ruled out about it out and try to

24:31

plan that door and and then hours go

24:34

by and that night I was so. My

24:37

bedroom as in the attic of

24:39

our house and he had a

24:41

walk up the door you walked

24:43

upstairs and the stairs and to

24:45

my attic bedroom were directly across

24:47

from her bedroom door. And

24:50

so I went downstairs, got a glass water.

24:52

I'd walk upstairs. her bedroom door was open.

24:54

She was sitting on the bed. And

24:56

she sought me as I was walking

24:58

upstairs. so I'm saving and she was

25:01

like. I. Love you Honey! The

25:03

my. Arm. And

25:06

I. And I

25:08

I wrote this in the book as a gift for

25:10

the tone of the rolling of eyes of the Rolling

25:12

of. I. Had a tone. I said

25:14

i love each your mom and

25:17

it was with sarcasm. hands on.

25:20

And. I remember so vividly like staring

25:22

standing there in that doorway looking

25:24

at her. And. It was

25:26

just pause because I it's I I talk

25:28

about this to. It. Was this moment

25:31

that like? her eyes? It so

25:33

visit to me about this glass

25:35

Enos to her eyes and how

25:37

she. She.

25:39

Just stared at me. Almost like she was staring

25:42

through me. And like

25:44

the irises like for blue eyes were

25:46

just. Like piercing. I'd

25:48

never seen her look like that before. And.

25:51

We just stared at each other and I said

25:53

the night and I went upstairs and that was

25:55

last words I ever spoke to her. am men

25:58

than she died. The metal a nice. You.

26:00

Know when my dad had

26:02

to come wake me up

26:04

and immediately. I. Mean.

26:07

When. The paramedics were I for the immediately like

26:09

my dad comes in he wakes me up and

26:11

I go downstairs and own bathroom and she's there

26:13

in the bathroom and I mean I just I'm.

26:16

Over and over. Again, x ray.

26:18

I'm so sorry. And ah,

26:20

I'm. Immediately that

26:22

regret of like. I

26:25

speak to her like that. I'm

26:28

and. So.

26:31

In the days and though the hours,

26:33

the days, the weeks, and the months

26:35

I carried this just. Overwhelming.

26:40

Regret. For how I

26:42

spoke to her than. Those are

26:44

my last words and I'm. That

26:46

was really hard and I've had to work through

26:49

that and it took years years. I mean that

26:51

I am with a counseling or you go to

26:53

counseling for some fast thirty six easier. My

26:56

point of what I thought I was

26:59

going to talk about. Mister. It's just

27:01

like it's so tell me your story,

27:03

senators you? Oh wow, That's right here

27:05

for it. seems like we've got a

27:08

whole. Lot more does the unpaid us

27:10

and so and now in the last

27:12

few years i've really and i talk

27:14

about the of a gonna lie at

27:16

the end of the book to is

27:18

like. Really? Understanding what it

27:20

looks like to forgive yourself. I'm

27:22

and to give yourself grace because I

27:24

beat myself up for is. Very very

27:27

very long time. Numb over every

27:29

mistake that I made in, you

27:31

know, just. In Life and

27:33

Earl. Yes! And am so it's really

27:36

not been. So how the last three

27:38

or four years that I've really truly

27:40

forgiven myself and released that? Isn't that.

27:42

That's hook. Yeah, decades, Yeah, you know.

27:44

I wrote in my notes, houses and

27:47

yearbook about forgiving yourself and I had

27:49

a conversation with image of Francesca of

27:51

ours about this whole concept of forgiving

27:53

yourself. Now like just how want to

27:55

talk about this. Is. A

27:58

lives in book and. I try. I'm

28:00

on this journey of understanding what that means

28:02

and let me tell you why I've

28:05

had a lot of things in my life too that I've

28:07

made bad decisions and I have regret and all

28:09

the things Yeah, I don't carry those with

28:12

me today. Like I definitely walk

28:14

past them But I remember someone

28:16

told me one time They're like you don't need to

28:18

forgive yourself because Jesus is already forgiven yours given you

28:20

and so if we need to forgive ourselves So why

28:22

do we need Jesus so I kind of clung to

28:24

that? Mmm, and then over the last

28:26

couple of months your book other

28:28

things I keep hearing this concept

28:30

of forgiving yourself come up and

28:33

I'll tell Jessica I was like, what if I've been

28:36

like what if what if I'm missing

28:38

I've missed this for all these years and

28:40

so What does that

28:42

actually mean? Yeah to forgive

28:44

yourself. I don't know

28:46

that I know what that means Yeah,

28:49

I walked through something just recently and I was telling a friend

28:51

and I was like, I think I

28:53

need to give myself some Grace for that like I didn't know

28:55

what I didn't know. Yeah, she's like, yeah, you

28:57

can forgive yourself And I'm like, what do you

28:59

mean? Like I don't know why that's been

29:02

so hard for me. Yeah, what did that

29:04

look like for you? I'm like Because

29:07

we have Jesus, right? He

29:09

forgives us right? How do we walk out that

29:11

journey on our own? Yeah. Yes.

29:13

It's so hard Okay,

29:15

so story time. So I

29:19

got saved in 2010. I was

29:22

25 and in

29:26

2022 so two years later

29:28

basically 12 years later. I Was

29:33

doing my Bible reading I was

29:35

just I was in Genesis I

29:37

was reading about Joseph and forgiveness

29:40

and I tell you like it just and I

29:42

was really trying to like marinate on like what

29:44

does forgiveness look like and I

29:46

was even thinking about just like, you know,

29:48

you look at the story of Joseph and like

29:52

You don't realize that like Joseph was

29:54

actually modeled forgiveness by his father and

29:57

his uncle. Mm-hmm. And so

30:00

He when it's time for him to forgive

30:02

his brothers like he remembers the forgiveness of

30:04

his father and his uncle and

30:06

so like this was Modeled for

30:08

him and I felt like God

30:10

was made that so intentional to

30:13

show these different examples of forgiveness

30:15

throughout especially in the Old Testament

30:17

and So

30:19

I'm just like thinking about it and I

30:21

I don't claim to hear the voice of God.

30:23

Okay, if you do I don't claim to you

30:26

but in this moment as Clear

30:28

as day Jamie. I heard

30:32

My Holy Spirit voice sometimes is a little sassy

30:35

and I just hear this like

30:37

hey Molly, you know I've

30:40

forgiven you, right? And

30:42

you know and this is all this is kind of

30:44

a lot of really is related to my mom a

30:46

lot of it is related To we haven't talked about

30:48

it Yeah but you know Blowing a quarter of a

30:50

million dollar inheritance and ending up tens of thousands of

30:52

dollars in debt and like all of the like Shame

30:55

and the condemnation and all of that

30:57

associated with that There was so much

31:00

that I had been carrying for a

31:02

very long time And

31:05

what's interesting is and I realized I'm kind of going on

31:07

a little bit of a quick tangent, but it's important to

31:09

it so when I became debt-free

31:11

in 2012, I Had

31:14

written on my blog like this was you know,

31:16

people didn't really know what a blog was but I was blogging and

31:19

I had written a blog post about becoming debt-free and

31:21

I hadn't even heard of like David Abraham Yeah, nobody

31:23

was really talking about this stuff and

31:25

the blog post ended up going viral Okay, and I

31:27

mean I was on like the 700 Club I

31:30

was on US the US News and World Report

31:32

like Yahoo money like all that stuff. I

31:35

never shared how I got into debt Okay,

31:37

I had never shared an inkling

31:40

of detail about Receiving

31:42

an inheritance and blowing it all like

31:44

I just was like, oh, yeah consumer

31:47

credit card debt nobody bothered to ask like

31:49

why did that happen, right and It

31:52

was because I was so I was still so ashamed I

31:55

was so ashamed of all of these mistakes that

31:57

I had made to get to this point And

32:01

so as I was sitting there,

32:03

I'm reading Joseph's story and I

32:05

hear this like again, Molly You know, I've forgiven you

32:07

right and it was like well Of course like I

32:09

received the forgiveness that Jesus paid for me like on

32:12

the cross and when he was You

32:14

know dead and buried and resurrected like so

32:16

that I could have forgiveness and sin like

32:18

got it Amen, like raise hands praise hallelujah

32:22

and then It was

32:24

like, okay so if I The

32:28

creator of the universe and the

32:30

creator of like toaster strudel like

32:32

if I can forgive

32:35

you Who are

32:37

you to not forgive yourself? Like

32:39

what is it about your

32:41

standards of forgiveness? Are you

32:43

holier than me? Do

32:46

you know better than me that you can't if I? Can

32:49

create can forgive you why can't you

32:51

forgive yourself and I wept like I'd

32:54

never what yeah it was

32:56

like it was like 20 plus years of this

32:59

this weight of guilt and shame

33:01

that I was carrying that I

33:03

had never released and So

33:07

it's okay. It's almost like we can say

33:09

in our brains God. You don't shame me,

33:11

right? We believe that like

33:13

you took on our ends. We believe

33:15

that but yet we shame ourselves 100%

33:18

and so forgiving ourselves is

33:20

getting rid of that shame. Yeah Yeah,

33:23

and it it takes work and it's not like there's

33:25

not like an easy button for this but

33:28

I will tell you that like Constessing

33:30

that and what I did

33:32

was I called a couple of people that are

33:34

godly like trusted people in my life and Shared

33:37

that with them And

33:39

I will tell you like that It

33:41

was like it was like I felt a physical weight

33:44

Release off of me and that was also the

33:46

point at which that I knew like okay I

33:48

have to tell the whole

33:50

story in this book because now Now

33:54

there's literally like you can't hold

33:56

anything against me. I'm like, yeah. Yeah. Yep. Here

33:58

it is. Here's all my stuff And

34:01

I'm not saying that whoever is listening that was like

34:04

walking through something really hard. I'm

34:06

not saying that you have to write

34:08

a book and tell everyone all of your dirty

34:10

junk. But what I am saying

34:12

is that when you do, there is power in

34:14

confession and repentance. There is power in it. And

34:16

when you bring this thing that you've been carrying

34:19

in the darkness out into the light, like the

34:21

enemy no longer has power over it. The

34:23

enemy cannot hold it against you when you

34:25

bring it into the light. And

34:28

I'm telling you, like that is so freeing. And so

34:30

whether it's with a pastor, whether it's with trusted friends,

34:32

maybe it's confessing it with your spouse, like whatever it

34:34

is, the thing that is like you are just

34:37

ashamed of and feeling guilt over in your heart,

34:39

like the second you bring it out into the

34:42

light. And there may be consequences. There

34:45

may be, but that is like the enemy

34:47

doesn't hold power over anymore. And I'm telling

34:49

you, like since that time, like I just, I

34:53

look back on that, that teenager,

34:55

that early twenties person

34:57

and I just, I'm sad

34:59

for her, but I also have so much grace

35:01

and forgiveness for her. I

35:04

love it. And I am like on this journey

35:06

as well. And, and for all

35:08

of this, a counselor recently told me, I

35:10

think I've already said this on the podcast

35:12

once this month, that shame is self hatred

35:14

at my expense. Yes. Jim Kress

35:16

told me that self hatred at my expense.

35:18

That's good. And it's just like we can

35:20

live in this shame. It's just self hatred,

35:22

self hatred, self hatred. Yeah. And

35:24

so it's not even God hatred. No. I

35:27

think it's Christia Zoui. God doesn't hate me. God does not hold

35:29

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35:31

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35:33

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35:35

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of business on a we talk. I had

37:32

a time but your parents were very active

37:34

in a yeah and so you grew up

37:36

around. That. A community and

37:38

of I was joking with your

37:40

earlier about the Serenity prayer. Yes

37:42

Yes yes yeah. Learning You know

37:44

all of the things. That

37:47

I. loved reading your books about your childhood

37:49

of growing up like that has to me it

37:51

was like you were exposed to real life yeah

37:54

as a child and am sure that there was

37:56

a lot of it that your parents shielded from

37:58

you or tried to But I think a lot

38:00

of ways it was just there right there. Can you

38:02

talk to me about? What

38:06

as an adult now because as a child, I think you

38:08

were like isn't everyone's family like this? Yeah You

38:12

know for sure but as an adult looking

38:14

back, can you tell me why you

38:17

think? Well what

38:19

you learned or what that did for you that you

38:21

didn't even know of growing up in that environment

38:24

Yeah, I mean on a practical level. I

38:27

can tell you right now. I have never tried a drug very

38:31

afraid of alcohol for a very long time So,

38:35

you know in a practical level it really taught

38:37

me responsible Behavior

38:42

But on a deeper level is what

38:44

I really got to witness was community,

38:46

right and It's

38:49

been really just amazing

38:51

to You

38:54

know in in my later adult because my parents were

38:56

my age when they got married Yeah, like my dad was

38:58

41. My mom was 38. She was 38 when she had

39:00

me So

39:02

she's the same age that like I would I

39:04

just I can't wrap my head around I was

39:06

like and that was kind of wild for the

39:08

80. I'm like very rebellious to have a child so

39:11

late and but

39:14

they I mean we just we had people in and

39:16

out of our house at all times and That's

39:19

how my life is kind of now and

39:21

and that is By

39:24

design because we just we thrive in community

39:26

and we just

39:28

are surrounded by people that we just

39:31

deeply love and We

39:33

live life together and we you know hang out and

39:36

we you know, like a friend of mine She was

39:38

like, hey, I'm down the street from me. It's like

39:40

this last week. She was like, hey, I'm down the

39:42

street from your house I'm babysitting our she had her

39:44

baby She was babysitting one of our friends babies and

39:46

she's like can I just come over and pop in

39:48

and say hey and I was like I'm in my

39:50

bathroom getting ready So sure and so she just brought

39:52

both babies and she's just sitting on the floor my

39:55

bathroom on like my makeup on I was like Are

39:57

we in college because this is real fun. Yeah, and

39:59

I was like. The Man. I thought about that

40:01

like. These. Are the friendships that I

40:03

prayed for? This is the kind of life that I

40:05

were. You can just call these people. You're like hey

40:07

I'm having a really hard day. Can I just pop

40:09

in and say hey, can I were you just go

40:12

out and you get tacos like we are Are my

40:14

friends Sharon where I just color my kids to read.

40:16

It all goes on for three and a half hours.

40:18

You know those. Those are the

40:20

friendships that you need at that

40:22

was modeled for me by my

40:24

parents were you know they were

40:27

constantly surrounded by people who loved

40:29

them, who they love, and they

40:31

were talking hard stuff together and

40:33

I was. A. Front row witness

40:35

to ends and when my mom got

40:37

sick like who were the people to

40:39

show up and help out it was

40:42

there a friends when she died. Who.

40:44

Like i just as a after she died

40:46

of like were random women would just like

40:48

com in my house and like vacuum and

40:50

and like oldham put away my clothes and

40:52

change my sheets and it was just they

40:54

just showed up because that was what you

40:57

did an arm and you know so many

40:59

of us people like came to my wedding

41:01

and. I'm you know, so many

41:03

of them like I've. Ah, reconnected with

41:05

them in the last two years. My

41:07

dad's still all these years later like

41:09

he will travel to go visit old

41:12

a a friend that have since moved

41:14

away and I'm so there's There's something

41:16

so powerful in both our community aspect

41:18

and also in the creating an environment

41:21

where you can be around people and

41:23

you don't There's no pretenses, there's no

41:25

links Assad, you're all of your stuff

41:27

is laid bare and there's no judgment.

41:29

There is a just. How

41:32

can we help you and that's

41:34

been really really powerful because we

41:36

have so many people that over

41:38

the years where they just? You

41:40

know, If somebody

41:42

fell off the wagon. Like. And

41:45

they were arrested in. Guess. Who got

41:47

they call Bs? My parents? I'm We have

41:49

people going to detox in our house. We

41:51

have people who are experiencing homelessness. who my

41:53

mom would be like you. We've got a

41:55

couch, we've got a guest room on. that

41:57

was just the same model selflessness

42:01

and generosity in a way that I Try

42:04

my best to model for my own kids.

42:07

It feels like church 100%

42:09

what church this is a this isn't a like

42:11

shame on church, but what should be like that

42:13

should feel that way, you know and It

42:16

feels really beautiful. I really appreciated

42:19

that storytelling in your book about

42:21

your parents and growing up in

42:23

that Environment and community and

42:25

around you. I loved

42:28

your books so much. Thank you I

42:30

know much I have a copy and I started reading it

42:32

and then I was like I just want to listen to

42:34

it And you read it. So it's really great. I'm listen

42:36

to it on a walk. Highly recommend this book you guys

42:38

if I don't laugh I'll cry we didn't even get to

42:42

How you got quarter of a million dollars? Yeah

42:44

how you spent it and I related to that so

42:46

much as well I mean I had my own journey

42:48

of Mismanaging funds in

42:50

college because guess what? I don't

42:52

know if they still do this but I was 18 and went

42:55

to an Astros game without a job or any credit and

42:57

got A credit card. Yeah. I mean, yeah sure. I

42:59

want a free t-shirt go Astros. Yeah And

43:04

then I was the kind of girl that like we'd go out to

43:06

bars and I'd be like I'll buy everybody it

43:08

because it was free money. It's free money money

43:10

free money free money Free 99 I tell my

43:12

kids always I'm nothing's free. Like there's nothing in

43:14

the world. It's free. No, maybe

43:17

happiness joy But

43:23

I just this is a book about resilience

43:25

and perseverance and grief and loss and I

43:27

just like there's no one Alive

43:29

that cannot relate. Yeah to your

43:31

story. Yeah. Thank you for writing it. Thank you so

43:33

much for reading it Thank you for liking it. Are

43:35

you writing another book right now? I'm not there yet.

43:37

I'm not there yet I do have other books that I

43:39

would like to write but I you

43:42

know, it's one of those things are like Let's get through the first one

43:44

and Sit

43:46

at a baby shower. Are you having any

43:48

more kids? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so it's like

43:50

it's like this one won't even latch on

43:52

I'm just still recovering Like

43:55

it's like I still have a massive score Exactly.

44:01

Okay, so I would love to ask you a couple questions. Number

44:05

one, I need to know something that you're loving and I

44:07

want to ask you what you're reading and I'm going to

44:09

tell you mine as well. Okay. I'll

44:12

start with reading. Okay. So I have

44:14

three books going right now. Okay. Are you

44:17

like that? Yes. I tend to have like a nonfiction and

44:19

a fiction. Okay. So I tend to have a bath time

44:21

book. Ooh. I have an audio book and then

44:23

I have a book with my eyes and my hands. Yes.

44:26

In the bath, I'm reading On Getting Out

44:28

of Bed, The Burden and Gift of Living

44:30

by Alan Noble. Have you

44:32

heard about this? No. I have an arc,

44:34

so I think it's already out. It's been out for maybe a year or two, but I just randomly

44:37

found it in my office and I was like, this sounds really

44:39

good. And it's just about like depression

44:41

and suicide ideation and getting out of

44:43

bed every day. I thought, I think

44:45

I'd like to read this. Yeah. So

44:47

I'm reading that. That's my bath book. Really

44:50

exciting. Yes. Love it. And

44:52

then in my ears, I'm listening to As Long as

44:55

the Lemon Tree Grows. It's a fiction book by Zulfa

44:57

Kattu. I totally messed that up. It's about Syria war

44:59

and what was going on. And then I'm

45:01

anxious to see if you've read this. Okay. Because

45:03

it's like a million pages long. Okay. The

45:06

Covenant of Water. No, but I've heard such good things about

45:08

it, but I have not read it. Abraham

45:10

Vergessi, I'm going to mess it up. I

45:12

am only like 90 pages in and

45:14

already like, I want to go home tonight so I can

45:16

read it. Just so you could read it. Yeah. And

45:19

he wrote Cutting for Stump, which is one of the best books I've ever

45:21

read in my entire life. I highly recommend it.

45:24

And so I'm reading that. Okay. What

45:26

are you reading? So I needed a little

45:28

bit. So I think I've heard

45:30

you talk about this before. I, because I'm a

45:32

voracious reader. It was really hard for me to

45:35

read while writing a book. Oh yes. So

45:37

hard. Yes. Because if

45:40

you're reading nonfiction that is anywhere near

45:42

your line of whatever

45:44

you're trying to say, to me, it feels like

45:46

it metals my brain and I'm stealing ideas. And

45:48

it just feels like too much to have up

45:50

here. It was like my brain

45:53

was like, cannot change lanes. I understand.

45:55

I was in one lane. So

45:57

I Only really listened to this. I did some.

46:00

The A box but I didn't do much.

46:02

So I'm getting back injury advice read: like

46:04

fifty sixty bucks a year. Yeah, I'm not

46:06

one of those hundred bucks to your person,

46:08

but I can breed pretty radio. This is

46:10

good. Yeah, so but as a right now

46:12

I'm in a pallet cleanser. I'm reading Emily

46:14

Henry. I went to read some of her

46:17

high loves so I understand that she's like

46:19

very very very popular in the rom com

46:21

world. But what I love so much about

46:23

her. Is she writes.

46:26

Amazing characters and her

46:28

dialogue. Is my favorite. It's such

46:30

good banter. Ah and so if you're not

46:32

like spicy scenes there's not a ton of

46:34

them and get a nice level. They're easy

46:36

to skip of as if at I would

46:38

say that's pretty low with the maybe one

46:40

or two you could just like easy as

46:42

easily. But get this, that's not for you.

46:44

but in general it's just great character development

46:46

from reading book lovers right now it's actually

46:48

came out like a year or two ago.

46:50

I'm she have a new one out. Funny

46:52

story that I'm going to read as soon

46:54

as I finish but oppressed. By I'd love

46:57

her banter. it's so good. Is this

46:59

camp? This. Is the Us. and like

47:01

the dumbest thing I've ever said with disheveled Book: where.

47:05

The. Sounds like a home on release when

47:07

a woman goes up to her father's house

47:09

to clean it out. Read: I read that

47:11

one. So guys really good. So God yeah,

47:13

knew right away. Yes, I know, Yeah, yeah.

47:15

The guy next door as he has betrayed

47:17

love to be resolved without my gateway to

47:20

that's what. That's only one I've ever heard

47:22

of her. Yes. And then I met my

47:24

audio book that I'm listening to right now

47:26

some Friends by Chris and Hannah to. like

47:28

I said, I'm making my way through hers.

47:30

That's a place. so it's. Desert Storm

47:32

filling Iraq's. It's and it's a

47:34

woman client a means ileana little bit, but

47:36

it's I'm only about half way through and

47:39

it's hoof it is. Yeah, it's about

47:41

like a woman who is in the military who

47:43

gets deployed to. Afghanistan

47:45

some my brain. I've read

47:47

her most recent hits, so

47:50

four wins. Yeah, Gail Nightingale Die

47:52

alone. Real on. Yeah. and then I have not.

47:54

Read the women, but the only other one I've read

47:56

of hers that is not one of those most recent

47:58

ones is a firefly labor. Yeah, and I really like

48:01

did you watch the TV show? I didn't I thought the TV

48:03

show I do not like it If I love a book, yeah,

48:05

then the TV or movie doesn't line up. Yeah, I'm like, I

48:07

don't want to watch that No, I want to watch Firefly Lane.

48:09

I know I don't know what you guys Yeah,

48:13

I know and I didn't like it. Did we

48:15

write the same thing? Right? Yeah, we read the

48:17

same thing Yeah, that bothers me if it's too

48:19

far off. I'm like give it another name. Yeah,

48:21

exactly and then the nonfiction book I'm about to

48:23

start I haven't started it yet, but it's the

48:25

top of my TBR pile is the anxious generation

48:28

I just heard about that. I think that do

48:30

you listen to the Holy Post? No,

48:32

but Sharon Miller is actually the one who

48:34

told me Okay. Yeah, I think I just heard

48:36

do not author It's John

48:38

John. Hey Jonathan. Yeah. Yeah, and it's not

48:40

even it's not a Facebook. No, that's what

48:42

I heard I heard Kate I'm talk about on the whole. Yeah,

48:44

I just heard I add it to my lot

48:46

of people I really respect and I just

48:49

you know, you know raising a tween girl

48:51

and a You know Lily to

48:53

be 11 in August and Amos is eight And

48:55

so it's just and we're like just at lunch

48:57

before here. She was like mom Why won't you

48:59

let me get a phone and I was like

49:01

many reasons many so many reasons that you will

49:03

not be getting a phone Yeah, but all my

49:05

friends have fun. I understand that you will not

49:07

be getting a phone good for you I'm like

49:10

I say I've said this publicly if

49:12

I could go back none of my I think

49:14

our boys got iPhones in like eighth grade and

49:17

I would have pushed that further and I know it would

49:19

have been terrible because it's like there would have been the

49:21

only ones My daughter is 16. She'll be a

49:23

junior next year and she

49:25

gets Instagram in August And it'll

49:27

be before her junior year and my boys had

49:29

it way earlier Yeah, and she's always like it's not fair

49:31

and I'm like, well, here's what happened. I learned a lesson

49:34

Yeah, and they were it was too soon for them. Yeah,

49:36

and I wish that they wouldn't have had it Yeah, so

49:38

I'm doing better with you. I she

49:40

hates she's like I don't care and yeah,

49:42

I do Yeah, no and I

49:44

said to her I said to her I said I

49:46

get it I get it because if I was your

49:48

age I would 100% be the same way and I

49:50

said, but I know too much and I'm sorry it

49:53

will not be happening Yeah, so we have a dumb.

49:55

We have a dumb phone. We also have a landline.

49:57

So like that makes us like, you know

49:59

old people So last night we had to explain to

50:01

our daughter what an answer machine was. And

50:03

I was like, she's like, it's on the phone.

50:05

I'm like, no, you have to plug it in. You know, it had a

50:07

tape. Yeah. And you push a button.

50:09

And then I always recorded really amazing answering machine.

50:12

Oh, that was like the best. Oh yeah. I

50:15

did the Seinfeld one for the longest time.

50:17

I kid you not was, believe it or

50:20

not, the Buckley's aren't at home. Please leave

50:22

a message at the beat. We must be

50:24

out, but we pick up the phone. Where

50:27

could we be? It's like we from the Seinfeld.

50:29

I literally did that. I love it. I

50:32

never watched Seinfeld, but I trust you. Yeah. Any

50:34

Seinfeld person is going to be like, oh my gosh. And I

50:36

had the music. Anyway,

50:41

it's also more information you probably want to know. I love it. What

50:44

did we used to do? And then on the answering machines, we

50:46

would sometimes be like, hello, hello. Are

50:48

you there? Hi. Anyone hear

50:50

me? Hello. Yeah,

50:52

just kidding. I know. Um, yeah,

50:55

that's, that's, we use gab phones

50:57

for a while. I don't know.

50:59

I have, are they good? Yes.

51:02

My, the hardest thing for me was that

51:04

it's hard with a group text and that's

51:06

their point, which is good. Yes. But

51:09

we have family group text. That was the only thing. And

51:11

again, it's not that big of a deal that it wouldn't

51:13

be a win for a child to have a communication device.

51:17

But we use that. Hmm.

51:19

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe

51:21

that will pass. Okay. What's

51:23

something you're loving? Um, okay. So I know that other people on

51:25

your show have talked about this, but I don't know.

51:27

So I'm a big thrive cosmetics fan. Yes. Love

51:30

their mascara. But right now I

51:33

am obsessed with their color sticks.

51:35

Okay. So they come in, you can get them

51:37

like the bronzer, the blush or the highlighter. Is

51:40

this what you got on today? Yes. You

51:43

look beautiful. Thank you so much. And I put it on before I left

51:45

the house and got on a plane. Yeah. So

51:47

there's, there's the glowy. There's the commercial right there is

51:49

the glowy. Uh-huh. Yeah. It's

51:52

the blush I use right now, the blush and the bronzer like

51:54

for contouring. Uh-huh. And I am

51:56

like, don't know how to do it, but I

51:59

watched like YouTube makeup. that show me how

52:01

to do it. And then now I do it. And I feel

52:03

so beautiful. Thank you. I've never contoured

52:05

anything on my face ever. Like I wouldn't even

52:07

know what to do. It's so fun. Now that

52:09

I watched a YouTube video, I just did what

52:11

she did. And I was like, oh, now

52:14

my face has shape. Contouring.

52:16

Like when I get my makeup done, they do

52:18

all kinds of stuff. Oh yeah, yeah. But at

52:20

home I'm just like literally. But it takes me

52:23

like three minutes. I love it. It's just the

52:25

kind of thing that you literally like roll it

52:27

out and then you just like, and

52:31

then you contoured. And then I'm contoured. And

52:33

then it's like, what are you putting your

52:35

eyebrows? Cause they look so good. Oh, thank

52:37

you. That's just like a brown eyeshadow and

52:39

an eyebrow brush. Eyeshadow? Yeah,

52:41

I use brown eyeshadow. I don't

52:44

do well with eyebrow pencils. Okay.

52:47

I have tried. I'm the gel. I've

52:49

tried those. Yeah. But no, I like

52:51

an eyeshadow. I just feel like I can control it

52:53

more. So that's what I do. Okay, I want to

52:55

tell you something. I'm loving. It's also a body thing.

52:57

Oh, okay. I thought about

52:59

sharing this with you and everyone listening.

53:01

I love that. And I thought it's kind

53:04

of TMI, but then I thought I wish someone would have told

53:06

me about this. And we're all adults here.

53:08

We are. So in

53:10

2024, January 24, I

53:12

decided my goal for this year is to be stronger. Yes. I

53:15

joined a gym. I've been working out. I'm going to

53:17

walk a half, I'm going to walk a full marathon

53:19

in December. Fantastic. Well, thank you. I am going to

53:22

walk a full marathon. I'm walking all the time. I'm

53:24

trying to go to the gym. You look strong, healthy.

53:26

Thank you. Just getting there. I

53:30

found that there was one dilemma that I've been

53:32

having. Okay. Is that when I would have all

53:34

my little workout tights, I

53:36

sweat in my private areas. Yes.

53:40

Are you about to talk about Lumi? Yes. Oh

53:42

my God. Do you

53:44

use it? Yes, it's amazing. I just got

53:46

it for the first time. The lady on

53:48

the TV. The lady on the TV.

53:50

The lady on the app. Yeah, but

53:52

I may be real honest. The first time I rubbed

53:54

that, like... In

53:59

my area? I literally was like, is this

54:01

what you're supposed to do? Like I literally was like, I need

54:03

a YouTube video. No, I don't. No, I don't. You don't want

54:05

to Google that. No, you don't want to Google it. No, but

54:07

I just started using it and I really like it.

54:09

Yes, for working out. It's great. It's so great.

54:12

Because I just sweat places and then it looks like

54:14

I peed my pants. Yes. So

54:17

I'm for this all body deodorant loom. Yes.

54:20

I didn't know how to say it. Loomy. Loomy.

54:22

Yes. People that are listening

54:24

that have seen, you've probably seen the commercial. Oh, you've

54:26

seen the commercial. I think it's on Instagram or Facebook.

54:29

I guess there's also commercials on TV. I

54:31

think that's where I've seen it. I think she also

54:33

started Mando, which is like the

54:36

men's version of Loomy. Oh, so it's Loomy

54:38

for women. Loomy's for women. Got

54:41

it. Well, and I think

54:43

she started the Dr.

54:45

Samantha Sam cling pen.

54:48

I don't know. I'm probably saying what is wrong. That's

54:50

the person who started it. She's like, okay. She's

54:53

probably not Samantha cling pen. She looks like

54:55

just a normal woman on TV. I

54:58

don't know why that was the name. You

55:00

don't know if that's her name. That's

55:03

not his random name. Now

55:07

I'm going to have to look at it. Why

55:09

did I say cling pen? Clink pen. Usually

55:12

they'd be like Samantha Smith. I'm

55:17

going to have to look it up after this.

55:19

Okay. Sorry. I'm not on Loomy

55:22

now. Okay. So she, I think

55:24

she, she said something about men

55:26

were using Loomy. Oh,

55:28

yeah. And so then she created a men's formula.

55:30

I think it's called Mando, but it's

55:33

like, yeah, it's like all body deodorant. So

55:35

I'm so happy that you know about this. I

55:37

know. I mean, you can put it

55:39

anywhere. Anywhere. I've been using it for, yeah. I'd

55:42

never used like a lotion cream deodorant. I

55:44

had at one point I went through it. I still use

55:46

natural deodorant only in the winter. Yeah. And

55:49

not on airplanes and not on stages. This is my thing.

55:51

Yeah. But it's, I mean, it's Loomy is like, I think

55:53

it's, I mean, we're just like doing commercial. I

55:56

believe everyone that Loomy is non-toxic. And.

56:00

I love it. She's down there. I

56:02

also really am like both flattered

56:04

and maybe concerned that you were like, I

56:08

think Molly is

56:13

the one that I should talk to. I knew Molly was the one

56:15

that I should talk to about this. Because

56:18

here's the deal. You're my first

56:20

in-person interview since January. I love it.

56:23

And I was like, I feel like I know Molly. I know. I

56:25

read your book and I'm like, she's like my people. No, I know. So

56:28

I did a radio interview a couple months

56:30

ago and the last time I was on

56:32

there, I apparently talked about bidets. And

56:34

so they were like, your legacy here

56:36

is all everyone at the radio station

56:39

now owns bidets. And I'm like, I'm really glad

56:41

every time everyone here goes to the bathroom, you

56:43

think of you. They think of me. Do you

56:45

have bidets in your house? Oh, yes. I

56:48

am a bidet of people. I am a bidet evangelist. And

56:50

it just goes in between

56:52

the seats of your toilet, right? Yeah.

56:55

Yeah. Yeah. And

56:57

I have a question I've always wondered. Yeah.

57:01

When you use it today, do you also wipe

57:03

with toilet paper? No, you just like, oh

57:06

my gosh. Okay. This

57:09

is way too far. Hello,

57:11

happy hour listeners. Welcome.

57:14

Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. This

57:18

is TMI, but when you go to the bathroom, we're all adults here.

57:20

We've been doing number two since we were born. Usually,

57:23

you know you got it all. Yeah. You

57:26

got it all. Oh, you know. Oh,

57:28

you know. Okay. You

57:31

just know. An evangelist for the biggest. Do

57:33

you use the Squatty Potty too? No, I don't use the

57:35

Squatty Potty. But I am an

57:37

evangelist for a bidet. And when I am away

57:40

from home and not like near my... My husband

57:42

says this too. He's like, ugh, every

57:44

time I have to go to the bathroom, not at home. I

57:46

feel like a barbarian. Like, do

57:48

you have toilet paper? Like, ugh,

57:50

who's a barbarian? He's saving some money. I

57:52

know. Yeah, it's great. Yeah.

57:55

You're welcome. Everybody's going to also give the

57:58

bidets. Which one do you like?

58:00

We got to tell them. Tushy brand.

58:02

Tushy brand. And their branding

58:04

marketing team is top notch.

58:06

Chef's kiss. It's so good. You

58:08

know, the thing about Lumet is they don't

58:10

have very much marketing brand except for Dr.

58:13

Clingpen. I bought it off of that. I mean, this is just

58:15

like save your dollars, people. It's

58:19

so good. Yeah. It's so

58:21

good because I feel like I connect with her. She's just a

58:23

regular woman. Dr. Clingpen.

58:26

I'm going to really crack up whenever we all, all

58:29

of us are going to close this podcast and go

58:31

figure out who it is. And if it is Clingpen,

58:33

then you're going to be like, wow, she knew Clingpen.

58:37

The thing is, it has to be because where

58:39

else would that come from? No idea. We're

58:41

going to do it right. We're going to do it right now. I

58:43

have found a doctor. Lumet founder. Okay. Lumet

58:46

founder. Here we go. Doctor. You're

58:50

going to, I'm going to die if it is

58:53

founder. Okay. Here

58:56

we go. Doctor. Stop

59:00

it. What is it? Dr. Shannon Clingman.

59:02

Oh my gosh. Dr. Shannon Clingman. You

59:04

said it so close. What's it say Clingpen? I said, Samantha

59:06

Clingpen. You were so close. Shannon Clingman. Oh

59:09

my gosh. Look at that.

59:11

Look at me. So she created this in

59:13

2017. I mean, this isn't that old. No. It's

59:16

in Target. Oh my gosh. Look at

59:19

that. Look at me. So she created this in 2017. I

59:21

mean, this isn't that old. No.

59:24

It's in Target. Wow. Oh

59:27

my gosh. I feel so much relief. But

59:29

you just need a little bit. Yeah. A

59:31

little bit. P-sized amount. P-sized amount. Right

59:34

around the P-sized area. Liam. Wow.

59:37

I love this so much. This has been so much fun. Molly, thanks for coming

59:39

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59:41

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59:44

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59:46

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59:48

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59:54

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