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Welcome to the Happy Bear podcast. I'm

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Dave and I'm Steve and we're honored

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to have you here. Today we've got

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an incredible guest, the wonderful Joe Cross.

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He's the juicing legend and if you

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can remember if you've ever watched the

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documentary Fat Sick and Nearly Dead, it

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was incredible. It had a huge moment

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in time and was so culturally relevant.

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I came out in 2011 where Joe

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was literally fat sick and nearly dead.

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He went on a 60-day juice fast.

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and within five months he'd come up

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all his medication and reversities or immune

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disease. and he's been a huge

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health and wellness advocate over the

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last 15 17 years really globally

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renowned and he's so he's so

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relatable he's so and he's got

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a very balanced approach towards health

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and something that makes it very

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relatable this conversation is wonderful you

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delve introducing we talk about technology

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we talk about community and alcohol

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so it's a really really gripping

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conversation he is a glorious man

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So for anyone who just clicked on

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this, can you share with them what

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you're hoping they might get from this conversation?

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Yeah, sure, boys. Well, first of all, well,

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thanks very much for having me on the

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show. Big fans of you boys. Look, I

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think that if you're just tuning in, what

3:28

I'm going to talk about is the power

3:30

of self and how you've got a set

3:32

of arsenal and you're going to set of

3:35

tools in your arsenal that can really help

3:37

you combat you combat possibly. 80% of

3:39

all the diseases that you're maybe in

3:41

strife with, you know, any chronic illness.

3:43

I know that there's so many chronic

3:45

illnesses that you may be carrying that

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you can actually do something about and

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even repair. So we're going to talk

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about that, we're going to talk about

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the power of plants, we'll talk about

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the power of juicing and the power of

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not having other things. What's that what

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that psychology is like by by going

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without and just just drinking juice like

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I did? So I think I think that's

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probably Guys what what they can look

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forward to understanding and hearing as we chat

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brilliant And for anyone who clicks on it

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and goes, okay Well, that that sounds great

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now and who are you who are you

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Joe for anyone who's clicked on it? Yeah

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I'm nearly Okay, so so I'm

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I'm an Australian if you can't word

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data by the exit I love that

4:25

you might have been you might you

4:27

might hear you might want to turn

4:29

off now So but I'm an Aussie.

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I was born in 1966 which makes

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me 58 years of age I at

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the age of

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35 ish I got a

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severe chronic autoimmune

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disease called chronic

4:44

urticaria angioedema, which is the

4:46

fancy way of saying severe

4:48

hives and those hives came about

4:50

not from what I Like

4:52

like cold or sun mine were the

4:54

pressure related ones. So any physical

4:56

touch you you shook my hand too

4:58

much I held groceries in my

5:00

hand. I already a baby lifting luggage

5:02

a seatbelt in a plane or

5:05

a car um Anything pressure wise on

5:07

my body I would welter up

5:09

and the histamine would run into my

5:11

joints and I'd be it not

5:13

be at Open hands move elbows terrible

5:15

terrible illness and I had that

5:17

for seven years and I

5:19

decided to make a big change in

5:21

my life with respect to that

5:23

And I chronicled that in my first

5:25

documentary film called fat sick and

5:27

nearly dead Which was a really big

5:30

deal back in 2011 when it

5:32

launched. It's hard to sort of think

5:34

about that now It's it's like

5:36

14 years ago this year um, that

5:38

that that launched and I did

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the journey in 07 Into

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08. So that's why filmed it. It took

5:45

me three or four years to get

5:47

the film out into the World, but

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it was way about when Netflix didn't have

5:51

any of their own content And when

5:53

it launched it was the number one

5:55

documentary on Netflix for a few months and

5:57

that really helped with it being popular And

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you know, it just from there, my

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life has changed and I'm in this

6:04

world of wellness and juicing and it's

6:06

just been an incredible ride. And that's

6:08

probably, if I have to sort of

6:10

give a synopsis, obviously that's not my

6:13

whole life. There's many other things I

6:15

do. But if you wanted to sort

6:17

of specific to the podcast, that's kind

6:19

of the way to frame me. That's

6:21

a great context, that really is. So

6:23

it's nearly been 18 years in total

6:25

now of your wellness journey. You've gone

6:28

from autoimmune disease to wellness,

6:30

advocate, ambassador and

6:32

globally recognized as a

6:34

wellness individual. Yeah,

6:36

and if someone had told me back then

6:39

that I would still be talking about

6:41

this now, like when I was making that

6:43

movie and in the edit room and

6:45

I would have just wouldn't have believed

6:47

them. I had sold a business.

6:49

I grew up in Sydney,

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Australia. I had a business which

6:53

I started in 1994 and

6:55

I sold it in 2007 and

6:57

it really was, it was in

6:59

the financial services brokerage world. And

7:02

I did quite well out of it as

7:04

an entrepreneur. I, what I put in or

7:06

what I got out, I had a good

7:08

multiple in my exit. And I thought,

7:10

you know, when I started this,

7:12

this company in 94, I was

7:14

a lean, mean fighting machine.

7:16

And by the time I sold

7:18

the business in 2007, I

7:21

really was overweight. I was fat, I

7:24

was sick and, you know, potentially

7:26

I was nearly dead because of

7:28

the medicines and the medications, the high

7:30

blood pressure, the cholesterol. And I

7:32

was in that zone of the heart

7:34

attacks that, you know, 40 years of

7:36

age, 41 years of age. And that's what you used

7:38

to hear when you're at school. If you guys

7:40

remember, someone says, dad died of a heart attack and

7:42

he was 40 and we used to think when

7:44

you're at school, 40 was so old, all of a

7:46

sudden I'm 40. And I'm like, boy, I've got

7:48

to, I've got to maybe do something about this.

7:50

So I took some of the capital that

7:53

I had made in the exit and

7:55

I decided to go to the United States

7:57

and make this film. And the people asked

7:59

me, Joe. Why'd you go over there and not make it in

8:01

Australia? Well, back then, the

8:03

US were too familiar with watching content

8:05

from other parts of the world, funnily

8:07

enough to believe. But these days, they

8:09

love everything from all over. But back

8:11

then, there wasn't Netflix when I

8:13

started the movie. It was only DVDs,

8:15

and that was why I thought that

8:17

I'd be getting this movie out. And

8:19

also, America has like 15 to one

8:22

ratio of Australians in population. So that's

8:24

the biggest English -speaking space. So if

8:26

I'm gonna go and do something, I

8:28

might as well do it on their

8:30

turf and send the message as far

8:32

and wide as possible. And I didn't

8:34

realize it would go as big as

8:36

it did, but you gotta be prepared

8:38

and you gotta hope for the best.

8:40

You gotta be positive. So that's why

8:42

I went to America in 2007 and

8:44

I started this journey basically of seeing

8:46

if I could reverse my illness and

8:48

seeing if I could get my health

8:51

back under control because the way I talk

8:53

about it, boys, is I'd outsourced my health to

8:55

other people. You know, I was living in

8:57

this world where I was six, I went to

8:59

a doctor and I expected to get a

9:01

medicine that would fix me. I

9:03

would outsource all of my

9:05

problems to the medical world. And

9:07

look, I've got nothing against the medical world.

9:09

My dad was a surgeon. My brother's

9:11

a sports medicine doctor. My sister was a

9:13

nurse. My mom was a nurse. These

9:15

people do some great work, but you know,

9:17

there were some of us and I

9:19

was a possible candidate. I didn't know then,

9:21

I know now, that perhaps what I

9:24

was doing in my everyday life was

9:26

not allowing me to get

9:28

well. And so I decided to

9:30

be the CEO of my own

9:32

health and I just took it

9:34

upon myself to work out that

9:36

if I took all of the garbage

9:38

that I was eating, what

9:40

I mean by garbage, I mean

9:43

processed food, the takeaways, the

9:45

alcohol, the breads, the highly processed

9:47

stuff. And then what if

9:49

I take all the animal product

9:51

out and what if I

9:53

just go to Brut's vegetables nuts, beans,

9:55

seeds? What if I just do that?

9:58

Am I going to give

10:00

my... myself a chance for my body to possibly

10:02

get well and why don't I

10:04

do that for two years you know

10:07

so my objective was start off two

10:09

years just on fruits vegetables nuts

10:11

beans and seeds and then to

10:13

supercharge my journey I thought I've got

10:15

to put the pressure on early you

10:17

know I've done the crime now I

10:20

need to do the time so why

10:22

don't I do 60 days just drinking

10:24

the juice that's extracted from vegetables

10:26

and fruit and fruit and

10:28

So I thought I'll go make this fun

10:30

because you can't just do this in the

10:32

kitchen. So I bought a truck, an SUV,

10:34

and I got the camera crew in and

10:36

I just drove across America for basically 60

10:38

days. I spent the first 30 in

10:41

New York area and the next 30

10:43

I went across to California traveling through

10:45

about 20 states of America and just

10:47

having a yarn and having to check

10:49

to people about their health. No judgment

10:51

because hey look at me I was

10:53

the one in in in serious strife

10:56

and I I know how hard it

10:58

is to take control of your own

11:00

health sometimes so it was an experiment

11:02

and an experiment that after after five

11:04

months it didn't happen just with the

11:06

juicing but after five months I was

11:09

clear of my illness that I'd had for for

11:11

eight years and I was off all medications guys

11:13

and I was I just I mean had I

11:15

know and that was the case I would have

11:18

done it years earlier you know but I just

11:20

did it that that. The light bulb didn't go

11:22

on, but I finally had some breathing space

11:24

to some time to have a look in

11:26

the mirror and have a good hard look

11:29

at myself and own up and man up

11:31

and be the CEO and take things into

11:33

my own control. Wow, we obviously saw, or

11:35

we've watched Fat Sick and nearly dared loads

11:37

of times, you know, and it would have

11:40

been back in. when it came out, you

11:42

know, it was huge, it really had

11:44

a side guys moment. 2011. Yeah, and

11:46

it's still relevant, like it really is.

11:48

So, any, one thing that really stands

11:50

out to me is the fact that

11:52

you say, kind of take responsibility for

11:54

your own health, because many of us

11:56

are going around, as you said, expecting,

11:58

you know, current society to... provide health,

12:00

but I think the real key

12:02

thing here is that you talk about taking control

12:04

of it and being your own CEO or

12:06

own leader of health. I wonder if you could

12:08

talk about that just for a little bit

12:10

because for anyone listener who kind of goes, wow,

12:12

I'd love to be healthy. It really does

12:14

take intentionality. Hmm. Well,

12:17

you know, the last

12:21

two feet of freedom we have

12:23

in this world is the distance

12:25

between your hand and your mouth. You

12:28

know, there's not a lot of other freedom

12:30

out there, right? I mean, you know, you want

12:32

to do a lot of things, there's rules,

12:34

there's programs, got to get this and that. But

12:36

what you put in your mouth is all

12:38

on you. You know, after this podcast, if I

12:40

want to order 25 pizzas from the bloke

12:42

down the road, I can do that. And

12:45

I could sit here. I don't know if

12:47

I wouldn't be able to, but if I

12:49

want to, I can do it. There's no

12:51

one stopping me. There's no there's no food

12:53

police in my life. And I think that once

12:55

you recognize that

12:57

this, this freedom that

12:59

we have when it comes to what you put into

13:02

your body, there's a certain

13:04

amount of responsibility that

13:06

comes with that freedom. And

13:08

there should be knowledge

13:10

and there should be

13:12

an awareness. And I

13:15

think that I was in

13:17

the trap or I fell

13:19

into the trap where I

13:21

had society, you know,

13:23

television commercials. I was subjected to

13:25

advertisers. I didn't even realize. And

13:27

I would be driving along. I'd

13:29

see a Coca -Cola sign and

13:31

I'd get thirsty when I wasn't

13:33

30 before, before I saw it.

13:36

And I didn't even know I

13:38

was doing this. And I was

13:40

just consuming, consuming, consuming, you know,

13:42

the McDonald's, the Burger King, the

13:44

Pizza Hut. It was just easy.

13:47

It was so easy to press a button, make a

13:50

phone call, get it delivered. And

13:52

so I feel that that

13:54

freedom I had, I didn't really

13:56

understand the responsibility attached with

13:58

it. During my when

14:00

you take a whole lot of

14:02

things out of the equation and

14:04

you're only allowing yourself to do

14:06

X, Y, and Z, when you

14:09

put those parameters on, well that's

14:11

a real test of your fortitude

14:13

to stick with that. Because any

14:15

person, if you cheat, you only

14:17

cheat on yourself, you're not hurting

14:19

anybody else. This is a really

14:21

introspective personal connection that you have.

14:24

with self. And, you know, there's

14:26

not many places that occurs in

14:28

life, you know, where it's just

14:30

all about yourself. You know, we

14:32

tend to be an autopilot. And

14:34

that's what I think that, that

14:37

really what happened to me is

14:39

I took control of those, of

14:41

the steering wheel. I said no

14:43

more other people being in control

14:45

of my emotions, my feelings, food

14:47

corporation is telling me what to

14:50

eat. I'm going to be aware.

14:52

and I'm going to see if

14:54

I go back to Mother Nature

14:56

and knock on her door, I'd

14:58

sort of abandon her for a

15:00

long time, if I go back

15:03

and knock on her door, will

15:05

she let me in, and will

15:07

she nourish me, and will she

15:09

nourish me, and will she help

15:11

me? Now, it turns out it

15:13

worked. Now, some people, it may

15:16

not. You know, they might have

15:18

a chronic disease that's not about

15:20

their lifestyle choices. It could be

15:22

a what. as I damn lot

15:24

it will fix a lot. And

15:26

you know when you talk about

15:29

most diseases today that people are

15:31

suffering from in the chronic world,

15:33

they're diseases of inflammation. And that

15:35

inflammation that's inside the body, it's

15:37

like it's an inflamed system. Well,

15:39

there are very few people. There

15:41

are some people that the salicylites,

15:44

the glutamites, and the amines that

15:46

are the food chemicals, individuals, and

15:48

fruits that have an intolerance for,

15:50

but most of us don't. Most

15:52

of us can handle... those food

15:54

chemicals and compounds that are found

15:57

in mother nature. is finest. So

15:59

if you just feed the body

16:01

that, and I'm not saying you

16:03

do that for the rest of

16:05

your life, I'm saying for a

16:07

period of time, check out, take your

16:10

time, we all go on vacations, we

16:12

all want to have long vacations, so

16:14

why not give your digestive system, why

16:17

not give your bow, why not give

16:19

your blood supply a vacation, why not

16:21

give it the purest micro nutrient

16:23

value that you can and see

16:26

if your body responds. So that's

16:28

kind of... the psychology that I

16:30

went in with. Obviously not as

16:33

defined as that, but that's the

16:35

awareness that came during the journey

16:37

and now all these years later. And

16:39

what is it like like 60 days

16:41

juice fast? And I'm sure people are

16:43

listening going 60 days, like that's two

16:46

months without eating. Yeah. Like and

16:48

you had gone from being, you know,

16:50

processed food, as you said yourself, you

16:52

know, where it was a very standard

16:55

kind of Western... you know, way of

16:57

eating. What was, like, what was

16:59

the 60 days like in your,

17:01

because some people might have seen

17:03

the documentary. Could you

17:05

talk to what that was like, like

17:08

60 days of juice fasting? So,

17:10

so there's no question that the

17:12

60 days is the hardest thing

17:14

I've ever had to do in my

17:17

life. I don't want to sort of

17:19

say, oh, it's easy, no, no, no, no, no.

17:21

It's the hardest thing I've ever

17:23

had to do in my life. Wow. Two

17:26

great hurdles. The first one is

17:28

your addiction and psyche of just

17:30

a habit and the addiction you

17:32

have to the sugar, fat and salt.

17:34

You're going to go up against

17:36

that. So your body is just

17:38

going to be screaming out, you're

17:40

going to be in pain like

17:42

any withdrawal. Now the good news

17:44

is that doesn't last the 60 days.

17:47

That's only for most people three

17:49

to four days and that's over. Some

17:51

it might need a bit longer, but...

17:53

It's about 10% to 15%

17:56

of your journey maximum.

17:58

You're gonna... going to

18:00

experience that. So that's the first

18:02

hurdle. The second hurdle is you're

18:05

up against the human instincts. So

18:07

instinctually, right, as you lower your

18:09

calories, as you don't have energy

18:11

or you have very little of

18:13

it, your senses become alive, your

18:16

hearing, your sense of smell, your

18:18

eyesight, your touch, your brain is

18:20

on high alert looking for food.

18:22

This is a mechanism that we've

18:24

had for millions of years as

18:26

humanoids and children. 50, 60,000 years

18:29

as homo sapiens. I mean, you

18:31

know, we have the senses built

18:33

in to eat because, I mean,

18:35

how good would it be if

18:37

we didn't need to eat? I

18:40

mean, how much time would we

18:42

save? How much money would we

18:44

save if we didn't need to

18:46

eat? How much money would we

18:48

save if we humans didn't need

18:50

to eat? It would be fabulous,

18:53

but we are not built that

18:55

way. We've evolved. where we need

18:57

to consume caloric information and energy

18:59

to survive. So you're going up

19:01

against these two heavy weights that

19:04

are going to play on your

19:06

mind. So you need to have

19:08

something to counter it. You need

19:10

to have a why. You really

19:12

need to have a genuine, solid

19:14

reason to do it. I think

19:17

if you just go in and

19:19

say, I want to lose. 10

19:21

kilos and 20 kilos. It's not

19:23

good enough. It's not enough. Many

19:25

people will fail on that. But

19:28

if you're on a, if you've

19:30

got an autoimmune disease and it's

19:32

a chronic illness and it affects

19:34

your life, like mine, whereas I

19:36

couldn't hold a baby, I couldn't

19:38

strap myself in with a seat

19:41

door, picking up luggage, you couldn't

19:43

play golf, couldn't go lift weights,

19:45

couldn't play tennis. had to be

19:47

very creative when it came to

19:49

being intimate with a partner. There's

19:52

all these things of touch and

19:54

pressure that we all take for

19:56

granted, but when you are put

19:58

in a position where... Things that

20:00

a physical pressure and force on your

20:02

body will leave a mark for four

20:04

to five hours and give you pain

20:06

You trust me. There's a good enough

20:08

incentive to go and take that on

20:10

to see if you can heal it

20:12

particularly after eight years Particularly

20:15

after taking medicine and there's

20:17

no end in sight and the doctor saying

20:19

you've got this for the rest of your

20:21

life And I'm gonna prove you wrong dog.

20:23

So so there's a great incentive. So

20:25

you need the wide The other thing

20:28

you need to do is you need

20:30

to, what I think so, is you

20:32

need to create a story

20:34

and a visualization inside

20:36

your body where if you

20:39

think about everything in your

20:41

body, it's like a military

20:43

and the military is really

20:46

good at combating disease. But

20:48

like any military

20:50

in the world, if you cut

20:53

off supplies for what it needs

20:55

to fight, Then that military is going

20:57

to give up and it's going to get

20:59

beat by the by the disease and the

21:01

illness and the inflammation Now as you

21:04

boys know very very well the

21:06

Micronutrient values the the tens

21:08

of thousands of chemicals that these

21:10

micro nutrients that are only found

21:12

in plant food some yes have

21:14

found in in fish and other

21:17

other animal products But really I'm

21:19

talking about the plant food micro

21:21

nutrients, you know, they are the

21:23

energy, well they're the information systems that

21:25

I like to think help our cells

21:27

communicate, so this is like the artillery,

21:29

this is what the, your military inside

21:32

needs to fight disease. And I had

21:34

cut the supply off. See I wasn't

21:36

having fruits and veggies, I mean the

21:38

only veggies I was having was on

21:40

my, you know, pizza, a bit of

21:43

pineapple with the ham, you know, so

21:45

I wasn't having much fruit and veggie

21:47

at all. It really wasn't, I turned

21:49

my back. So... I psychologically

21:51

said, okay, I'm going to give my military

21:53

everything they need, I'm going to let

21:55

them go to work, I'm going to

21:57

rest, I'm going to take the thing.

22:00

out of my diet that helped the

22:02

enemy and I'm gonna only put

22:04

in this stuff that helps my team

22:06

and I'm gonna let my team

22:08

go to work while I'm resting while

22:10

I'm sleeping while I'm driving across

22:12

talking to people making a movie while

22:14

I'm doing all that I'm gonna

22:17

allow my team to work for me

22:19

so having that psychological vision for

22:21

me was very important because when I

22:23

was wanting to break when I

22:25

could smell the food on the on

22:27

the cameraman and the sound guy

22:29

when we stopped off and I'm just

22:32

waiting in the car somewhere in

22:34

Arkansas when they come in and say

22:36

oh that chili was fantastic or

22:38

that burrito was great I could smell

22:40

it on their breath you know

22:42

window down I didn't want to but

22:44

we don't want to smell it

22:46

and it would drive me crazy all

22:49

the food signs as you drive

22:51

across America you know the icy coat

22:53

with the big ice in it

22:55

and melting all the droplets coming down

22:57

the glass you know it's it's

22:59

just plays on your mind I'm like

23:01

driving along blocking these out with

23:04

my hairs I don't want to see

23:06

them so it really was a

23:08

psychological test and look I'm not gonna

23:10

lie having the camera crew helped

23:12

me because you know I'm paying you

23:14

know all this money to have

23:16

them there so be stupid if I

23:19

if I failed right that helped

23:21

but just having that carrot the real

23:23

stick for me was was what

23:25

I shared with you earlier that I

23:27

really was so tired of being

23:29

sick I had enough so so I

23:31

hope that helps and I will

23:33

tell you that so I will tell

23:36

you that that after about 15

23:38

days it got easier I will tell

23:40

you after 45 days I didn't

23:42

want it to end like as we

23:44

got to 60 I was feeling

23:46

so alive I was feeling so free

23:48

so energetic like it was I

23:51

like in it I've talked about if

23:53

I go to the top of

23:55

the mountain and having the vision and

23:57

to be able to see in

23:59

the calmness I was super calm I

24:01

did have any, no anxiety, no aggression. I was at peace. And

24:03

I couldn't afford to go longer because the

24:05

film crew was costing me like 5,000

24:08

bucks a day. So I couldn't go

24:10

any longer. But had I not had

24:12

a crew, I could tell you I

24:14

probably would have gone in down 100.

24:16

I probably would have gone and kept

24:18

going. Because I didn't feel like eating.

24:20

It was a real challenge to get

24:22

up in the hot air balloon. bit

24:24

into the green apple to break my

24:27

fast and I did bite my, I

24:29

legitimately bit my, my cheek because I

24:31

hadn't chewed for two months, I forgot

24:33

now. But, but it was a, that, so

24:35

it is important to understand that

24:37

the longer it went on, the

24:39

easier it became. It was that

24:41

challenge in the beginning. They first.

24:43

15, 20 days was the real, the real tough

24:46

challenge. Like it must have been incredible, like

24:48

we'll talk a little bit more about this,

24:50

this is okay, because it is so interesting

24:52

and it's, it's, because like we've messed around

24:54

with fasting quite a bit like doing a

24:57

number of days water fast or like up

24:59

to seven day water fast and lots of

25:01

juice fast and things like that. So we

25:03

have played around with it and like the

25:06

thing which I remember is just the clarity

25:08

as you said like you really get, you

25:10

connect with yourself, the energy seems to

25:12

stay inside. and you almost you become

25:14

like a better version of yourself where

25:16

you can you can think better you

25:19

can see lots of the mistakes which

25:21

you've made like your mind just works

25:23

at a different rhythm like I can't

25:26

imagine after 60 days have gone from

25:28

where your system was boonged up and

25:30

in a in a space of serious

25:33

inflammation to where like it's almost like

25:35

an enlightening like an enlightening experience you

25:37

are this light you know Right. Like

25:39

the electrical charge within your body must

25:42

have been like immense. You must have

25:44

been like like Niagara Falls going

25:46

on in your system like. So

25:48

I'll tell you what dawned on me.

25:51

It made sense while I was on

25:53

this journey why religions have fasting in

25:55

them because this connection to the

25:57

higher being like it makes sense

25:59

to why nearly all religions have some

26:01

kind of fasting because you know

26:03

that was a way to get in

26:05

touch with higher self and if

26:08

you believe in your high God your

26:10

Muhammad your your Jesus your your

26:12

Buddha whatever whatever you but they all

26:14

have fasting in them so that

26:16

is not a surprise to me after

26:18

doing this hike I totally understand

26:20

how that has entered into the freight.

26:22

I've done 16 days of water

26:24

fasting that's as long as I've gone

26:26

and I found the water fasting

26:29

and I still do find the water

26:31

fasting incredibly effective. You know truth

26:33

be told I just did 21 days

26:35

of juice fasting in in December

26:37

November into December in 2024 and that

26:39

was really enjoyable I love that

26:41

but but I will say that that

26:43

you're still you're still consuming energy

26:45

but when you do the water fast

26:47

you are not bringing anything in

26:50

so you're sustaining only on what's in

26:52

your system and I do find

26:54

that with the water fasting I get

26:56

more clarity quicker but I get

26:58

to a place quicker with water fasting.

27:00

Now water fasting is a much

27:02

more challenging thing to do it's much

27:04

harder. I wouldn't recommend water fast

27:06

into people unless they've been supervised. I've

27:08

my first fast was supervised so

27:10

I know what to do what to

27:13

expect I've got a level of

27:15

understanding I must have done more than

27:17

25 or 7 day water fast

27:19

in my life I've done a lot

27:21

and I've done like as I

27:23

said I've got to 16 days once

27:25

and I was trying to go

27:27

for 20 then but I had to

27:29

listen to my body because I

27:31

just got to a point where I

27:34

said no no I gotta be

27:36

honest you this is not a game

27:38

I'm trying to get to a

27:40

number I was ready I was ready

27:42

for it I'd been ready for

27:44

like day 14 day 15 and day

27:46

16 I was ready and that's

27:48

how I knew you know sometimes you

27:50

think you're ready and you give

27:52

it another day and you're fine but

27:55

this time I knew I was

27:57

ready so I want to look after

27:59

myself so I did that and

28:01

and these water fast you know So they

28:03

are very much for me, not so much about losing weight, because that's

28:05

the, you know, if you want to water

28:07

fast for losing weight, that's

28:09

a mistake. I really, sure,

28:11

it can help, but it's

28:13

not, that's not the solution

28:15

to weight loss. What ice

28:17

find the power of waterfasting,

28:19

waterfasting, is the work that

28:21

Dr. Volta Longo, I'm sure

28:23

you're familiar and heard of

28:25

him. and just this reactivation of stem

28:27

cells and how when you feed again,

28:30

like the most valuable time in a

28:32

water fast, if you do a five

28:34

day water fast, is day six and

28:36

day seven when you're refeating. Because that

28:38

turns on these stem cells that maybe

28:40

if you're my age haven't been on

28:42

for like 40 years and that power

28:44

is I really believe in and I

28:47

understand I've read his papers I I've

28:49

spoken to the team there a pro-lon

28:51

which is his his sort of fasting

28:53

mimicking diet program I've met with Walter

28:55

a few times and I'm a huge

28:57

fan and a huge believer that

28:59

this is a regenerative thing for me

29:01

It's not about weight loss, it's about

29:03

regenerating my health. It's about taking care

29:06

of my organs and, you know, at

29:08

the end of the day, longevity, I mean,

29:10

everyone talks about longevity, right? Everyone

29:12

talks about it. Longevity is simply

29:14

making sure your organs are good

29:17

because your organs are good. We've

29:19

got, you know, knee replacements and hip

29:21

replacements and elbow. We've got all

29:23

that in society today. We can

29:25

keep replacing the joints. What we

29:27

can't replace the organs that are...

29:30

Pretty cool. So it's somehow magically

29:32

through some you know genie appearing out

29:34

of a bottle and I could wish

29:36

to have you know someone who's 15's

29:38

organs not hurting them but mirror the

29:40

organs of a 15 year old in

29:42

my body now. I've effectively got the

29:44

same life expectancy as that is that

29:46

15 year old because it's my organs

29:48

that are the ones that are going

29:50

to be giving up on me or

29:52

playing up or deteriorating over time as

29:54

my heart pumps, as my lungs work, and

29:57

so on and so on. So really

29:59

this idea of... of nurturing your

30:01

organs along the way and

30:03

doing things that can allow

30:05

regenerative process there, that's exciting

30:07

to me and that gives me the

30:09

power to do the five days and

30:11

the six days, seven day water fast

30:13

that I really enjoy. Wow, that's amazing.

30:15

So that's how I sort of think

30:17

about this from a psychological point of view.

30:20

I look at it as a reward, not

30:22

as a problem, you know, or a hindrance

30:24

or a hassle. great perspective, amazing. I'd love

30:26

to move the conversation back to juicing because

30:29

I know that's that's one thing that we're

30:31

super passionate about and I'd love to like

30:33

so during Fatsik and nearly dead I remember

30:35

you had a centrifugal juicer and you often

30:37

had it in the back of the car

30:39

and you're using it like over the last

30:42

17 years or however long it's been since

30:44

you kind of started your journey how has

30:46

you're juicing and the juing technology advanced because

30:48

I remember that centrifugal centrifugal juicer must

30:50

have had like 25 thousand revs a

30:53

minute like it like it like it

30:55

was Whereas now I see you using

30:57

very different type machinery. Yeah,

30:59

so look like everything in life

31:01

technology is really come on in

31:03

many many areas and and like

31:06

you know I use a Nama juicer I

31:08

think you guys do as well. I

31:10

love huge believers that I talk to

31:12

used that the Nama machine out full

31:14

disclosure I was involved in the in

31:16

the startup of that and getting involved

31:19

on I was you know talking to

31:21

Dan who I know has been on

31:23

your show and I've talked, we talked

31:25

at length about what would be the

31:27

best way and you know how do

31:29

we make this easy for people? And

31:31

I think they knocked it out of

31:34

the park with the Nama, J2, their

31:36

second, J1, was good but the J2

31:38

and the additional ways of having

31:40

the hopper room, the way that

31:42

the auger works like mimicking our

31:44

chewing so that you're not getting

31:46

any heat into the extraction.

31:48

of these tens of thousands of

31:51

micro nutrients I talked about earlier.

31:53

You know, we want to try

31:55

and preserve those and sometimes cooking

31:57

our veggies also damages those. I'm

32:00

not telling people not to have steamed

32:02

or roasted veggies, I love them, but

32:04

if you wanted to think about a

32:07

balanced way of really supercharging your micro

32:09

nutrient intake, I really don't think there's

32:11

a better way than juicing five or

32:13

six different veggies with some fruit if

32:16

you need to sweeten it up. I

32:18

really don't know a better way because,

32:20

you know, if you take six or

32:23

seven stalks of celery, I've tried this,

32:25

that can take an hour to chew.

32:27

you know, 400 calories of celery. And

32:30

you burn maybe 150 calories just trying

32:32

to eat it. So, like, I mean,

32:34

just to get that nutrient level that's

32:36

in so much carrot or in so

32:39

much celery or in so much kale.

32:41

So if there's a way of extracting

32:43

the water, that's trapped in those plants.

32:46

See, the micro nutrients are in the

32:48

water. They're not in the fibrous protector

32:50

of, say, the kale or of the

32:53

carrot. They're not in the fibre, the

32:55

nutrients are trapped in water bubbles inside

32:57

the plant. So when you juice, as

32:59

long as you juice them, you know,

33:02

in a cold press way where you're

33:04

not generating heat, which is what the

33:06

Nama juice of J2 and J1 and

33:09

J3, and all of them do this,

33:11

but I'm just specifically talking about the

33:13

J2 because they created a large hopper

33:15

and think for backs juicing, because I

33:18

love to juice a lot at once.

33:20

So this is the first time. that

33:22

I'm able to really make juicing easy

33:25

to produce seven or eight bottles, 10,

33:27

12 bottles of juice at a time,

33:29

which means only one cleaner. So that's

33:32

why I'm very excited about the J2

33:34

as a basin, the large hopper, and

33:36

the things you can do to it.

33:38

So this to me, extracting that water

33:41

that's trapped in plants, now... A lot

33:43

of people might be listening and saying,

33:45

Joe, but you're leaving so much fiber

33:48

out, mate. You're leaving so much fiber.

33:50

Yeah. I don't know. I know I

33:52

am. And we're doing that on purpose.

33:54

Because if I put the fiber in

33:57

with all that celery, I can't consume

33:59

as much. So I'm actually getting more

34:01

nutrients by juicing than I would be

34:04

by eating, but fiber is still a

34:06

critical important part of my regular diet,

34:08

so I'm still going to have a

34:10

fruit salad every now and then, if

34:12

I switch it up, I'm still going

34:14

to have maybe my oats, I'm still

34:16

going to have my veggies at lunch,

34:19

my salads. So it's not like I'm

34:21

saying, hey, every veg and fruit you're

34:23

ever going to consume you must juice,

34:25

you must juice. No. I'm saying... if

34:27

you feel that you're not getting enough

34:29

veggies into your system. If you're not,

34:32

if you were like me, where you

34:34

weren't consuming a lot, then the single

34:36

best way to do this is to

34:38

get yourself, a juicer, I recommend

34:40

Nama, but hey if you've got

34:42

something else you want to grab,

34:44

I'm never going to criticize anybody

34:46

for the machine they use. I'd say

34:49

get out there and make as

34:51

much juices you can and drink

34:53

it. Even if it's one glass

34:55

a day, you put some lemon.

34:57

celery, so cucumber, put some ginger

34:59

in, maybe you put some pear

35:01

or apple, a bit of orange

35:03

or pineapple, watermelon, you put something

35:05

sweet in there with that, and

35:08

you know, maybe the sweetness is

35:10

10%, 15% of the volume, and

35:12

you are drinking, like it's garden

35:14

in a cup. I mean, you

35:16

are super charging, I mean, talk

35:18

about vitamin water. This is the

35:21

phatic and true vitamin water. So

35:23

that's where I think the power

35:25

of juicing is that if you

35:27

can manage that once or twice

35:29

a day, then you will not know

35:31

yourself after a month. And so the

35:33

idea, what Nama does really well, which

35:36

is why I'm so proud of the

35:38

company, and I talk about it so

35:40

much, is they're all about habitual

35:43

habits, like generating habits.

35:45

And if this is a habit thing,

35:47

you know. Just having one green juice a

35:49

month is probably not going to have any

35:51

impact on your life. But having one a

35:53

day for a month, just think about how

35:56

much micro nutrients you're putting in in

35:58

those 30 glasses for that month. that

36:00

you wouldn't have done. Because go

36:02

and take how, look how much

36:04

produce it takes to make one glass

36:06

of juice, and then you'll see, wow,

36:08

it's as though I ate all that. Because

36:10

realistically, when you eat

36:13

the produce, when you eat fruits and

36:15

veggies, you're just essentially, what goes

36:17

out the back door is the

36:19

fibrous part of the plant that

36:21

was holding all the nutrition together.

36:23

So what I do is I'm a

36:25

big fan of having one to two

36:28

juices a day, I love my veggies.

36:30

I'm not vegan, I respect people who

36:32

are vegan, but I'm not. So I

36:34

will have some plant, some animal protein

36:37

or plant protein as well in my

36:39

diet. And I'll also, you know, have

36:41

the pastas, the pizzas, I'll have those

36:43

things from time to time. If I'm,

36:45

if I'm really honest with you guys,

36:47

I go hot and cold, like I'd

36:49

like to think on 8020, where 80

36:52

being good 20, maybe. I was for

36:54

five years and then you sort of

36:56

next five years you're kind of 60-40

36:58

or 70-30 then you realize that you're

37:00

not a sharper and you're gonna give

37:02

yourself a kick in the ass and

37:04

get back on it so it's it's

37:06

just because I know all this is

37:08

because I've done all this doesn't make

37:10

it any easier tomorrow to wake up

37:12

and go down to the hotel breakfast and

37:14

go wow waffles you know pancakes all

37:16

that maple syrup fruit salad I know

37:18

I know what I'd love to have

37:20

but you know I go over here

37:22

so You know, it's part of what I

37:24

do, and maybe a little bit different

37:26

to a lot of people, or maybe

37:28

there's a lot of people like me,

37:30

but I know there's a lot of people

37:33

that aren't, is I'm very yes or no.

37:35

I mean, I'm on it or I'm not on

37:37

it. So right now, I haven't had

37:39

processed sugar for tomorrow is two

37:41

months of not having anything that's

37:43

got sugar that's processed in it, okay?

37:45

And I know that I feel a

37:48

lot better by not having that. But

37:50

is it difficult. over Christmas not having

37:52

some cake or not having chocolate or

37:54

like having some ice cream when you

37:56

go to a cinema or whatever. Yeah,

37:58

I find that tough, but... psychologically

38:01

by not having it and getting the

38:03

momentum, I don't crave it now, I

38:05

don't feel like it now, so I'm

38:07

not missing it now, you know. I

38:10

just drink water, or I drink juice

38:12

with water, and I don't drink alcohol,

38:14

I don't drink milk, I don't drink

38:16

milk, I have almond milk, I'll do

38:18

pecan milk, I'll do nut milks, and

38:21

people say it's pretty boring, Joe and

38:23

do you miss alcohol, I haven't had

38:25

a drink since 2007. It's not part

38:27

of my life anymore. It's not like

38:30

a, not something that I, it used

38:32

to be, used to be a big

38:34

part of my life. Yeah, maybe if

38:36

I'm in the South of France and

38:38

I'm on some friends yacht, they're all

38:41

drink and rosé, maybe I've missed that

38:43

a couple of times over the years,

38:45

but I'm very rarely on yach, so

38:47

it doesn't really matter. So it's one

38:49

of those things that, that for me,

38:52

I'm sort of able to be a

38:54

yes or a yes or a no

38:56

man, Not to have it, if that

38:58

makes sense. Yeah, core. I think you're

39:01

so relatable. I really do. I think

39:03

like your perspective is most people listening

39:05

can really understand that because I think

39:07

what happens is your microbiome adapts to

39:09

the sugar and very quickly at once

39:12

more. Whoa, give me more of that.

39:14

That makes me feel like... Whereas now

39:16

two months off and it's probably easy

39:18

enough, like at a physiological level, you're

39:21

going to have all those emotional triggers

39:23

when you see them. But yeah, one

39:25

thing that comes out strongly with me

39:27

Joe is what's the role of community

39:29

because we live we live in an

39:32

environment now that's you know, ultra processed

39:34

foods. It's, you know, more people are

39:36

overweight or obese typically than aren't. You

39:38

know, it's it's very difficult to you're

39:41

going against the grain if you're eating

39:43

predominantly a healthy diet. How do you

39:45

manage the role of community? Because health

39:47

is contagious. in your life. So first

39:49

thing I would say is that community

39:52

can be positive or negative to our

39:54

food choices, right? Yeah, of course. And

39:56

there are certain mates of mind that

39:58

I hang out with. that, you

40:01

know, by

40:03

50, 50 minutes, one hour

40:05

into the dinner, they'd add three bowls

40:07

of wine, and there's only four of us

40:09

sitting there. And I don't drink, you

40:11

know? So it really does depend who you

40:14

hang out with. And when I first

40:16

did this back in 2007, 2008, and I

40:18

came back to Australia and I wasn't

40:20

drinking, you know, a lot of

40:22

my friends were not happy to have me around. I've got

40:24

to be honest with you, like I was holding up like

40:26

a mirror to them. I didn't mean to. I wasn't trying

40:28

to be, hey, look at me. I would just

40:30

say, no, I don't want to drink anymore.

40:32

I don't want that. And it wasn't that I

40:34

decided not to drink forever. Remember, I told

40:36

you it was a two year period. I was

40:39

going to go with just the fruits, vegetables,

40:41

nuts, beans and seeds. And so I'd already

40:43

psychologically gone in my mind, I'm not

40:45

going to drink soda or alcohol for two

40:47

years. So when I kept that going,

40:49

and I've kept that going to now, the

40:51

alcohol part, not the soda part, the

40:53

alcohol part, it's

40:55

quite intimidating to a lot of people

40:57

because you're sort of the sober one

40:59

at the lunch or the party or the

41:01

dinner or the gathering, whatever. And

41:04

people don't like that. They don't like the Joe

41:06

who used to be the life of the party

41:08

on the beers and having a laugh and all. They

41:10

don't like the sober Joe. I'm still as much

41:12

fun, I think, but it sort of holds a mirror

41:14

up. So when it comes to community, you've got

41:16

to be aware that the changes you

41:18

make, no

41:20

one likes being

41:22

told what to do. So my big tip

41:24

is don't tell people what

41:26

you're doing they should do. That's the

41:28

last thing to do. Just do it

41:30

yourself. If people want to follow and

41:32

want to ask about it, lend some

41:34

tips, give ideas, but no one likes a

41:36

preacher in the food police. Going to

41:38

a dinner party and talking about how bad

41:41

everything is on the table. People don't

41:43

want to hear that. So got to be

41:45

really careful about not being such an

41:47

advocate where you just volunteer the information, wait

41:49

till you're asked. That's a big lesson.

41:51

Well, when it comes to community,

41:54

you know, we live in a world

41:56

now with this connected technology where

41:58

it's never been more easy to be connected. there's

42:00

never been more number of

42:02

lonely people out there. So

42:04

we're all aware of this problem.

42:06

So the Joe Cross community

42:09

on Facebook and the Rebit

42:11

with Joe on Instagram and

42:13

my social media is in

42:15

our newsletter at Rebit with Joe.

42:17

You know, these are places where

42:19

people can meet and they can become

42:21

friends. I know you guys have got.

42:24

a great community as well in your

42:26

audience and this is the lovely thing

42:28

about what's happened with the disintermediation of

42:30

media that we're able to have a

42:33

conversation and those that are interested in

42:35

this can hear a deep dive on

42:37

our thoughts whereas you know 20 years

42:39

ago I'd get maybe one minute on

42:41

good morning LA or you know good

42:44

morning Denver and I'd have a minute

42:46

to get information out and then it

42:48

was you know onto a commercial. So

42:50

we've got this opportunity to share

42:52

and deep dive and go into

42:55

longer philosophy and conversations. And I

42:57

think people appreciate that. Everybody

42:59

that I've met in the community,

43:01

what they love the most is that

43:03

the fellow community people help as much

43:05

as they do. So if you're in

43:07

the right community online, you can get

43:09

a lot of love. You gotta be

43:12

careful. Obviously there's plenty out there that

43:14

you'll get the complete opposite. But if

43:16

you ask me the answer to

43:18

your question specifically, community plays a

43:20

huge role. for most of us.

43:22

I know there's some loaners out

43:24

there and that's good, good Latin,

43:26

but most of us need people. They

43:28

need, you need the support, you need

43:30

to be able to get that pat on

43:33

the back, you know, we need

43:35

that, someone saying you're doing a

43:37

great job, Joe, you're 35 days

43:39

in, make keep going. These things

43:41

are helpful, you know, when you're

43:43

doing these challenges or even if

43:45

you're just trying to stay on

43:47

the straight and narrow. So community

43:49

plays a huge role and I'm very

43:51

conscious of how I talk to people

43:53

who are doing things as well and

43:56

making sure that there are certain words

43:58

and phrases that we use. that triggers

44:00

to them. For example, you know, you really

44:02

think about this. Does anyone in the world

44:04

who's overweight need to be told they're overweight?

44:07

I mean, do you think if you went

44:09

up to someone on the street and said,

44:11

hey, guess what, you know, you're five stone,

44:13

you're 50 pounds, you're 20 kilos overweight, that

44:16

they go, oh my God, Joe, thanks for

44:18

telling me I didn't know that. Thank you,

44:20

great, now I'll do something about it. So

44:22

people who love people, if you've got a

44:24

son or a daughter or a father or

44:27

a mother or someone in your family or

44:29

a partner who's overweight, they don't need to

44:31

be told they're overweight. That's the last thing

44:33

they need. They don't need that. They need

44:35

to be ready that when they ask for

44:38

help, they're ready to help and step up

44:40

and provide positive affirmations, provide ways to say

44:42

how can I be helpful? Would it help

44:44

if I didn't bring this into the house?

44:47

Would it be great if I don't bring

44:49

that in? Would you like me not to

44:51

do that? Would you like me to remind

44:53

you about things? How can I help? Not

44:55

to say, you do this, this, this, and

44:58

this, and I'm going to watch you and

45:00

put the big stick over your backside if

45:02

you do anything wrong. Those don't work. This

45:04

has to come from within. But they've come

45:06

from within. with support around them. So the

45:09

answer is community is absolutely essential but you've

45:11

got to be smart. about who you pick

45:13

in which community you move in. Great tips,

45:15

great tips. And no, I want to ask,

45:18

and you asked the last one. Yes, sir.

45:20

I want to say, okay. You do great,

45:22

Joe, you're wonderful. It's a joy, you're brilliant.

45:24

I'm enjoying this immensely. Right, great. So it's

45:26

been about 17 years of your wellness journey,

45:29

and I just love to know, like, you

45:31

came out, you were like a rocket, a

45:33

rocket launcher, like going from Fatsik and nearly

45:35

dead to becoming this. this incredible beacon of

45:37

hope and transformation and inspiring so many people.

45:40

And it was probably easy for the first

45:42

couple of years because everyone was looking at

45:44

you and the world was looking at you

45:46

and it was easy enough you were this

45:49

advocate and you had to think. But over

45:51

the last kind of 17 years the full

45:53

journey. of it. What

45:55

have been the key

45:57

pillars that you've learned

46:00

that really hold you

46:02

up and have kept,

46:04

sustained you to now

46:06

being where you are

46:08

today? So

46:11

if I had to say key pillars,

46:13

I assume you're talking about what I

46:15

think is important that I've learned along

46:17

the way. Yeah, in terms of health,

46:19

in terms of health and wellness at

46:21

large. Well, number

46:23

one is practicing

46:25

awareness and

46:27

being present and just

46:29

making sure that you

46:32

check yourself in moments

46:34

to say, I'm the one who's in charge

46:36

here. I don't need to be sad or

46:38

I don't need to be overjoyous if I

46:40

don't want to. I really believe that our

46:42

emotions are way more what

46:45

we can control our emotions way more

46:47

than we think we can. So

46:49

that's something that I've learned a lot about

46:51

when the chips are down, it's easy to

46:53

spiral. It's easy to think the worst. But

46:56

I think that one of the great skills

46:58

that I've generated on this journey is to

47:00

be able to pick myself up, dust myself

47:02

off and say, get back on the horse.

47:04

It's going to be OK if we do

47:06

one step at a time. Let's not worry

47:08

about the destination. Let's focus on the journey. And

47:11

that could be in work. That could be

47:13

in relationships. That could be in health. That could

47:15

be in anything. You can apply that to

47:17

anything in life. So that's

47:20

one of the big pillars. Another

47:22

big pillar when it comes to

47:24

health is the

47:26

power of sleep and just how

47:28

important sleep is. I've learned over

47:30

the years that sleep is mission

47:32

critical. And and and fortunately, I've

47:34

been a good sleeper. I haven't

47:36

had difficulty with sleeping. Obviously, there

47:38

are times when stress is hard

47:40

and you've got to get up

47:43

and do a TV show in

47:45

the morning. It's your jet lag and you start

47:47

stressing. What if I sleep in and, you know,

47:49

you end up going the whole night without it

47:51

and it's a disaster? But they happen along the

47:53

way. These that this is life, you know. But

47:55

I've learned that how important sleep

47:57

is. And and so for me. sleep

48:00

hygiene as something I've learned and I'm good

48:02

at. You know, like, don't go to bed

48:04

unless you're going to sleep. Obviously, you know,

48:06

there are times when you're crook, you've got

48:09

to be in bed, but generally speaking, don't

48:11

have the TV on, watch the TV in

48:13

the living room, try and thin the lights,

48:15

you know, be calm, don't look at your

48:17

phone before you're doing this. Obviously, sometimes I

48:20

do, but these are the tips I try

48:22

to do when it comes to sleep hygiene

48:24

when it comes to sleep hygiene, and have

48:26

you're good pillow. washing the sheets, making sure

48:28

that it's clean and it's a quiet room,

48:31

you know, all these things, you know, fresh

48:33

air. These things are critical to sleep and

48:35

I really do believe that if you get

48:37

a good night's sleep, that really makes your

48:39

day the next day so much easier to

48:42

get through. When I have a bad night's

48:44

sleep, when I'm jet lad or I've had

48:46

too much sugar or stressed, I need... pick

48:48

me up during the day to keep me

48:50

going because I'm exhausted, I'm tired, I'm run

48:53

down, I want to, I want to, I

48:55

want to sleep, so I've got to work.

48:57

So you end up in these spiraling habits

48:59

of feeding yourself crap along the way. So

49:02

sleep, really, really important. I mean

49:04

exercise is something that I've always struggled with

49:06

in my life, you know, movement. I know

49:08

we love rich, rich role. You guys are

49:10

close to rich and I think which is

49:12

a great guy and I'm really hoping for

49:15

rich in his family safe that they're home.

49:17

is okay with these fires that are going

49:19

on because they're up there in the in

49:21

the hills but riches somebody that I really

49:23

admire and respect riches commitment to movement and

49:25

exercise you know and well even even on

49:28

that one he's having a back operation in

49:30

February he's due to have one because he's

49:32

had a bad back for a number of

49:34

years too so he's in the same boat

49:36

as you exactly yeah well we haven't talked

49:38

to that my bad back yet but we

49:41

can get to that if you want to

49:43

but yeah I've got an operation coming up

49:45

for my I've got a hemorrhage disc. But

49:47

when you talk about someone like Richard, there

49:49

are so many people like this, I really

49:51

admire and respect these individuals, men and women,

49:54

that can get up in the morning and

49:56

go and run. I mean, I'm... I'm not

49:58

a runner but I can go to the

50:00

gym and I can get on the ergy

50:02

machine with rowing or I can do the

50:04

bike or I can go for fast walks

50:07

and you know I'm good at it once

50:09

I'm in the momentum I'm not going to

50:11

lie like when I've got momentum up and

50:13

I'm in it yeah after like three weeks

50:15

I'm great I love it I but getting

50:18

started very hard for me you know

50:20

and I'm sore and I what am

50:22

I doing so so to me the

50:24

challenge the challenge if you sort of

50:26

what's what's your challenge what's your challenge?

50:28

well you know enlightenment well all these

50:30

other things community choosing but the movement

50:32

part I'm good at walking but it's

50:34

got to be more than that at the

50:36

lifting the weights go to the gym all these

50:38

things I should be better than that and

50:40

I'm still working on that but you know

50:42

no one's perfect but that's there the areas

50:44

that I've learnt that I need it but

50:46

I've got to be better at it

50:48

yeah we all have our Achilles heels

50:51

in terms of just it being January

50:53

and many people are trying to do

50:55

a dry January and your relationship with

50:57

alcohol. Have you found one giving up

50:59

alcohol and two the benefits of giving

51:01

up alcohol? Because it's something that, you

51:03

know, we haven't drank for about 24

51:06

years and it's something that has had

51:08

a radical positive benefit to

51:10

our lives. Look, I think that if you,

51:12

if somebody, let's just imagine a world

51:14

with no alcohol right now, just imagine

51:16

it doesn't exist, no alcohol in

51:18

the whole world. And you know, the three of

51:20

us came up with this fermented potato and

51:22

said, have some of this and it makes

51:24

you a bit funny and it makes you

51:27

a bit happy and then you have too

51:29

much of it you pass out and you

51:31

can't drive a vehicle and you argue with

51:33

the missus and you know would it

51:35

be allowed to come into the world today

51:37

I mean would it be allowed would you

51:39

get that regulated and God no wouldn't be

51:41

allowed right this is is something that I feel

51:44

you know I'm not like a knock I mean

51:46

if you know that word the knock

51:48

you know someone who says no one

51:50

should have alcohol I'm not that But

51:52

I am a great believer that many

51:54

people out there are consuming

51:57

alcohol and is having

51:59

a... enormous detrimental

52:01

impact to their life.

52:03

In their relationships with

52:06

people, in their ability to

52:08

manage their bank account, in

52:10

their health, in their own

52:12

happiness, I think that it's one

52:15

of the, it's a huge impact

52:17

of negativity in so many

52:19

people, they don't even realize

52:22

it. So the only way you can

52:24

find out is to go a month

52:26

or two or three without it. See

52:28

if you can do that. Because

52:30

I tell you what, anybody who

52:32

can't go a month without a

52:34

drink, you got a problem. That's

52:36

a problem in itself, right?

52:38

So just ask yourself that

52:41

question. I mean, I remember someone

52:43

told me that the way. The

52:45

way to know whether you're an

52:48

alcoholic is if you can't go

52:50

two days a week or one month a

52:52

year. So if you do all of that,

52:54

it works out to be about a third

52:56

of the year. don't drink. Now if you

52:58

can't do that you've got a problem and

53:00

you've got to own up you've got to

53:03

get in the mirror, the house and mirrors as

53:05

we call it and take a good outlook at

53:07

yourself and really say is this something

53:09

that I really want to continue to do?

53:11

How is this impacting my life? And

53:13

generally speaking those that I talk to and

53:16

people who come to me and ask or have a

53:18

problem and I get a lot of people coming

53:20

to me with problems and I will

53:22

talk about their habits of drinking their

53:24

habits of drinking and I reiterate or

53:26

isn't it funny that you had that

53:28

big night on the Friday and the

53:30

Saturday night and then that'll happen on

53:32

Sunday and Monday whereas a couple of weeks

53:34

ago you didn't do that you were training you

53:36

were doing this and then you had a great week

53:39

have you ever connected the two dots

53:41

you know so I'll often bring that

53:43

up so once again I'm not adverse

53:45

to people having a drink. I don't

53:47

want to sound like a knock, but

53:49

I do believe that there's only a

53:51

certain percentage of the population that can

53:53

handle it, where it is a value

53:55

add to their life, and that I

53:57

would say there is a large, large

53:59

portion of... people who were drinking who

54:01

would have much better life without it.

54:03

Great point. 100% degree. Really, really do.

54:06

Yeah, like we've had a long time without

54:08

it and it's been so long that I

54:10

can't even remember what it was

54:12

like with it. But I think for us

54:15

it was the big thing that catalyzed the

54:17

change, you know, giving up alcohol made us

54:19

kind of think about food and that kick

54:21

started our health journey, you know, back when

54:24

we were 22. We gave up for a

54:26

week. And that weekend has been 20

54:28

something years now, so it's been a

54:30

long time. Look, I don't know too

54:33

many people who have done what you

54:35

and I, both of you and I have done,

54:37

which is give it up, and after

54:39

10 or 15 years saying, oh, I

54:41

really miss it, my life's been terrible,

54:43

it's been a disaster, I have an

54:46

alcohol, I don't know anyone who says

54:48

that, right? I only hear people say

54:50

good things. But you know, you

54:52

just don't get the negativity. Sure,

54:54

you get somebody was missing or

54:57

whatever, but that's generally early on

54:59

in the process. But after the time

55:01

that we've done, it's neither here nor there

55:03

to me. I don't even, I don't

55:05

even think about it. I mean,

55:07

the choices to drink, not alcohol, but

55:10

the choices of what drink to have,

55:12

can be a bit boring. So, you know,

55:14

I'm a big fan of having a

55:16

sparkling... water like a samplegrino or a

55:18

periée or some sparkling mineral water and

55:20

getting some fresh lime juice, juice by

55:22

the matronie or if you had a

55:25

nice restaurant or you're somewhere, I just

55:27

do it at home if I'm having

55:29

the summer drink at home, but it's

55:31

my summer winter autumn and fall drink.

55:33

I drink lime and soda, that's my

55:35

number one go-to drink. A little bit

55:38

of fresh lime in the club soda with ice,

55:40

it's a great drink and I can have three

55:42

or four of those at a dinner. and the

55:44

only thing I'm missing is the vodka which is

55:46

what I used to drink anyway vodka lime and

55:48

soda so to me it's like still having a

55:50

party drink it's still fun and that's how I

55:52

get by but I will you know there are

55:54

times I get a bit bored of just having

55:57

water or juice and you know I will venture

55:59

down to the milkshake and I do enjoy

56:01

those, but I can't have too many

56:03

of them because that spirals me again.

56:05

Now, watermelon, pineapple, and ginger is probably

56:07

my favorite juice to hydrate. And then

56:09

if I'm just doing the normal juicing

56:11

of every day juicing, then it's the

56:13

green juice or, you know, something with

56:16

cucumber and celery creates a lot of

56:18

volume and I like that. You can

56:20

have some beets. You can put some

56:22

carrot in. Bell peppers are great to

56:24

juice. So, you know, there's other things

56:26

you can get nice flavors and, you

56:28

know, variety there. But when you're in

56:30

a restaurant, sometimes I'll have a Virgin

56:32

Mary. That's a good, good drink to

56:35

have out when you're out too. Have

56:37

a Virgin Mary. That's a, that's a,

56:39

that's a nice one. So, you can

56:41

get a buy. You can get by.

56:43

And to me, it hasn't been, it

56:45

hasn't been a major problem. Yeah, yeah,

56:47

yeah. It's great. Joe your brilliance I've

56:49

really enjoyed this conversation immensely I think

56:52

I really admire your balance and you're

56:54

you know just your you bring us

56:56

strength and a clarity to this space

56:58

which is beautiful and experience. Oh thank

57:00

you boys yeah look it's you know

57:02

like I like I it's great to

57:04

be on your show you know I

57:06

admire everything you guys have done and

57:08

I just think that what we're doing

57:11

and you know just talking about these

57:13

things and humanizing things and you know

57:15

as we've said far, far from it,

57:17

but we owe it to ourselves. We

57:19

only get one body. We only get

57:21

one set of organs to take us

57:23

to the end of our journey here

57:25

on planet Earth. And, you know, why

57:28

not try and take care of them

57:30

along the way so that after all

57:32

the years of work, when you're finding

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it can sit back with that rocking

57:36

chair or go for those cruises or

57:38

whatever you want to do when you're

57:40

in your 70s, 80s, 80s, that you

57:42

can do it with joy. with movement,

57:44

you know, with freedom, where you don't

57:47

have to keep going to the doctor

57:49

for appointments and spending all your time

57:51

there in the waiting room. So to

57:53

me it's very much about being aware

57:55

of what you do today will see.

57:57

you up of what you're going to

57:59

have to either benefit from or hinder

58:01

from in the future. So I think

58:04

it's great that you guys are doing what

58:06

you do and it's it's fabulous that we can all

58:08

get on the get on these sorts of technology and

58:10

chat about it. Yeah, yeah, I love it. Yeah, you're brilliant.

58:12

Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you,

58:14

thank you, thank you. Keep up the mighty

58:16

work and I wish you all the best

58:18

to the back of us. And if we

58:20

ever come out to Sydney, we'll come out

58:22

to Sydney, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll,

58:24

we'll, connect with you. Boys if you come

58:26

to Sydney I'll take care of you and

58:28

have a great time out of you. I'm

58:30

early here in the summertime I follow the

58:33

sun so I'll be up your

58:35

way. Thanks Boy's here to meet

58:37

you in person. Yeah I look

58:39

forward to it too and

58:41

and greats meeting you guys

58:43

here and as always juice

58:45

on boys.