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i saw a headline last night that

5:43

mike mccarthy had removed himself from uh

5:45

the saints aka he knew he wasn't

5:47

going to get the job and

5:49

said i'm going to sit this year

5:51

out and you know what's crazy about

5:53

mike is and I

5:55

would say this about any football

5:57

coach is the power of

5:59

perception. And once perception

6:02

becomes your reality, it is

6:04

really, really hard to shake

6:06

that. And the NFL has

6:08

a lot of parallels like with

6:10

high school in terms of the

6:12

drama and how everyone kind of

6:14

knows each other. Everyone talks and

6:16

things make the rounds very, very

6:18

quickly. This is not like some

6:20

gigantic city where uh, one guy

6:22

on one side of the city

6:24

has no clue what's going on

6:26

seven blocks away. Everyone in the

6:28

NFL, whether they actually know the

6:30

truth or not, believes they have

6:32

a pretty good idea of what's

6:34

going on. I can text probably

6:36

three or four GMs or a

6:38

ton of college scouting directors with

6:41

different takes going on around the NFL

6:43

and all of them would give me their

6:45

angle, their opinion, which would be based

6:47

on what they're hearing. And that's the way

6:49

the NFL works. Like, why is Bill

6:51

Belichick last year gets shut out with Atlanta?

6:53

And this year, it'll look pretty clear

6:55

like, yeah, teams aren't going to be that

6:57

interested. Because this negative perception surrounding him

6:59

that he's just a big curmudgeon and a

7:01

power -hungry guy now in fairness He went

7:03

to college partly because he loves having

7:05

power and he gets to be the boss

7:07

so he kind of Validated what everyone

7:09

thought look at cliff Kingsbury a couple years

7:11

ago, and I feel like I'm always

7:13

beaten up on cliff I do respect the

7:15

hell out of cliff in terms of

7:17

work ethic for how much players like him

7:19

and how much people in the league

7:21

like him but You know, from a coaching

7:24

standpoint, I saw him be a head

7:26

coach and it wasn't really his cup of

7:28

tea. Just like a lot of guys

7:30

could be over there. Dennis Allen, excellent defensive

7:32

coordinator. Awful head coach. Eva

7:34

Fluss, no business being a head

7:36

coach. Good defensive coach. Robert

7:38

Sala, I would put in that bucket as

7:40

well. And we've talked about this forever. There's

7:42

nothing wrong with being a number two in

7:44

the NFL. It pays a lot. I mean,

7:46

on the low end, you're a W -2 employee

7:48

making like $2 million. And

7:50

if you get enough buzz and you get

7:52

enough momentum, you can make like four

7:54

and a half, five million dollars. I mean,

7:56

Liam Cohen five years ago was an

7:59

assistant wide receiver coach, an assistant wide receiver

8:01

coach. It'd be like, yeah, I'm an

8:03

assistant, assistant sales manager that just does some

8:05

administrative work. And then five years later,

8:07

it's like, yeah, I'm the CEO. I

8:09

was making 70 grand. Now I

8:12

make $3 million. That's Liam Cohen

8:14

a couple of years ago was probably

8:16

making under $100 ,000. And now

8:18

he's making $1112 million. This

8:20

league is crazy. It's wild. But

8:22

Mike McCarthy, the perception and

8:24

part of it is like Liam Collins

8:26

is bright offensive mind. Super sharp guy. And

8:29

listen, I'm not trying to overreact to a press conference,

8:31

but also kind of weird guy, kind

8:33

of a weird cat. But you

8:35

look at Mike McCarthy, he's

8:37

pretty good at offense. Like he understands how

8:39

to coach the quarterbacks. It's like, well, he

8:41

coach Aaron Rodgers. And then I watched him

8:43

coach Dak and Cooper Rush. How many games

8:46

over the last three years did he win

8:48

with Cooper Rush with that guy making plays?

8:50

I promise you Cooper Rush probably not that

8:52

good And it's when I saw that he's

8:54

out of the league like I don't know

8:56

if he's ever getting back in as a

8:58

head coach I do think he has a

9:00

lot of value as an offensive coordinator But

9:02

this perception around him and let's face it.

9:04

Listen. I'm someone my weight can fluctuate right

9:06

now. I'm somewhere in the middle I'm not

9:08

as fat as I was not as skinny

9:10

as I would like to be but he's

9:12

kind of viewed as like this jolly fat

9:15

guy and this kind of just Football guy

9:17

not super bright like I watch my McCartney.

9:19

I think he knows what he's doing I

9:21

watch a lot of coaches in the NFL

9:23

that are completely over his head that is

9:25

not Mike and He has got this I

9:27

would say Situation around him now where I

9:29

think it's gonna be really hard to shake

9:31

and if I was a betting man I

9:33

don't think he's ever gonna be a head

9:35

coach in the NFL again I really don't

9:37

now you can say time sometimes Helps you

9:39

gain momentum especially in the business of football

9:41

head coach you step away. I saw Mike

9:44

do that And then he got the Cowboys

9:46

job and it turned out he was immediately

9:48

lying. Like he had made up that he

9:50

had watched all members of the Cowboys tapes.

9:53

And you watch some of these guys, like I

9:55

think being fat and chubby hurts them. Because Cliff

9:57

Kingsbury looks really, really good. Also good at coaching

9:59

quarterbacks, has never proven that he can be a

10:01

head coach. Like Mike now is a long resume.

10:03

It's like, well, he failed in Dallas. He went

10:05

three straight years, won in 12 games. He,

10:08

you know, he won a playoff game. Now

10:10

he lost a couple of home playoff games. I

10:12

agree. A lot of people lose a lot

10:14

of playoff games. When's the last time Mike Tomlin

10:16

won a playoff game? You know John Harbaugh

10:18

lost the fucking bills this year like it happens

10:20

playoff games are hard But I I believe

10:22

and if I was Mike McCarthy and he still

10:24

wanted to coach because I do believe he

10:26

he views himself and rightfully so like I can

10:28

be a head coach in the NFL Do

10:30

you know what I would do? There

10:32

are so many big 10 and

10:35

SEC teams Who would die to

10:37

have Mike McCarthy be their offensive

10:39

coordinator? I would take what

10:41

Ryan Day did with Chip Kelly We

10:43

will pay you two and a half

10:45

three million dollars. You do not need

10:47

to recruit. We are not asking you

10:50

to go sit in people's living rooms,

10:52

break bread with people's parents and grandparents. You

10:54

are not going to hit the high

10:56

school circuit. We want you to do one

10:58

thing and one thing only. Coach offense,

11:00

specifically our quarterbacks and score points. I'm

11:03

watching Wisconsin, an area

11:05

where he used to live for a long time.

11:07

That offense is a joke. If I was

11:09

Luke fickle, the first phone call I would have

11:11

made when I saw that headline is, hey,

11:13

Mike, you want to be my offensive coordinator? All

11:16

you got to do coach ball because

11:18

like Belichick tried to change the perception

11:20

that he's not just grumpy and he's

11:22

not super angry. And it's true, like

11:24

he's not. But when he coaches, like

11:26

that's that's who he is. Our personalities,

11:28

once we get to a certain point

11:30

in life, are kind of our personalities.

11:33

I think you see it like I don't

11:35

have kids yet, but my brother has two

11:37

young boys. One just turned five, the other's

11:39

two. Like, I think you kind of

11:41

get a feel for their personality. And whenever

11:43

I'm around, like my parents or my mom

11:46

or, you know, older people, they say, like,

11:48

you can kind of tell early the way

11:50

they're going to be. If they're stubborn, if

11:52

they're super happy, if they're angry, like, you

11:54

get a vibe for that. And I think

11:56

that's no different than our personalities as older

11:58

human beings. Like, Belichick isn't just going to

12:00

be a completely different guy at North Carolina.

12:02

He has different tasks, like he

12:04

has to recruit now and talk to

12:07

high school coaches, which before he did

12:09

not. But like his personality in season,

12:11

like don't expect him to get in

12:13

front of a mic week four when

12:15

he's playing Florida State and give incredible

12:17

answers about stuff that he wouldn't do

12:19

in the NFL. It's probably not going

12:21

to change. And Mike's look

12:23

like he's never going to be some skinny

12:25

looking, sexy guy. But like, listen, I feel

12:27

like I have to defend him as like

12:29

he's not that bad. And you could do

12:31

way worse, but he's going to have to

12:33

try to do a little reboot here. And

12:35

to me, I would be all over college

12:37

and luckily right now college pays a lot. And

12:41

in all signs point to Kellen Moore

12:43

being the next coach for the Saints. My

12:45

first reaction was like, seems kind of

12:47

crazy. Like if you're Kellen Moore, you're

12:50

you're one of the highest paid coordinators in

12:52

the NFL. You're with a place

12:54

that's winning a lot. Is this the job you want

12:56

to take? And then I

12:58

just kind of default back

13:00

to most of these coaches are

13:02

really ambitious. And when they

13:04

get the opportunity to become a head coach,

13:07

they usually say yes. And this

13:09

is not college football where certain jobs

13:11

are way better than other jobs. Most

13:13

NFL jobs suck, right?

13:15

There are only so many like Matla floors

13:17

you get to take over with Aaron Rodgers.

13:19

Most of these jobs, the Jets, the

13:22

Jags. the Raiders, the Saints,

13:24

like all these jobs are pretty

13:26

shitty. And they're available for

13:28

a reason. There's not, you know,

13:30

Kenny Stabler wasn't waiting for Pete Carroll. Drew

13:33

Brees and, you know, Marcus Colson and

13:35

Jimmy Graham aren't waiting for whoever in

13:37

New Orleans. But if you're Kellen Moore,

13:39

you're like, I'll take my shot. I

13:41

think I'm to be pretty good at

13:43

this. This division is not that great.

13:46

And listen, that's how most coaches are wired.

13:49

When they get the opportunity to become a

13:51

head coach, they usually say yes. Not no.

13:53

So when you see these stories of

13:55

Mike McCarthy or even Cliff Kingsbury, it's like,

13:57

no, Cliff wasn't going to get the job.

13:59

And there's nothing wrong with that. Like these

14:01

people are so obsessed with PR. It's like,

14:03

guys, you can't tell me it's sunny outside.

14:06

And when I'm getting when it's

14:08

pouring rain, like, we understand what's

14:10

going on here. There's nothing wrong

14:12

with not getting the job, right? And

14:15

so to me, Kellen Moore, good

14:17

luck. All science points to that. Obviously the

14:19

Eagles. Will not an ideal

14:21

situation for them that if this comes

14:23

to fruition that they have to

14:25

replace Kellan Moore With a bunch of

14:27

guys like their cores their core

14:29

like their offense is not going to

14:31

change next year Jalen Hertz will

14:34

be the quarterback Milado be the left

14:36

tackle Lane Johnson will be the

14:38

right tackle assuming he doesn't retire You

14:40

know landed Dickerson came Jergens AJ

14:42

Brown Devonte Smith Dallas Goddard say Juan

14:44

Barclay like their teams are team

14:46

So you talk about if I was

14:48

an offensive coordinator and kellen

14:50

does take this job or you know

14:52

an ambitious quarterback coach or run game

14:54

coordinator i would be begging howie for

14:56

that job because you talk about that

14:58

that would be the second coordinator now

15:00

in three years to become a head

15:02

coach from that operation and i would

15:04

say a 50 50 chance if you

15:07

take over the kellenmore and you have

15:09

similar success next year you win 12

15:11

13 games you're in the playoffs your

15:13

offense is scoring some points you will

15:15

be interviewing everywhere uh some other nfl

15:17

stories Fox

15:19

says that they are getting eight

15:21

million dollars for Super Bowl ads

15:23

that are 30 seconds long So

15:25

it is very very expensive to

15:28

buy a Super Bowl ad. I

15:30

think last year it was close

15:32

to seven million dollars. So you

15:34

factor in inflation My overall take

15:36

with this is if I was

15:38

now I think one thing you've

15:40

noticed the Super Bowl ads the

15:42

last I would say I don't

15:44

know half decade it's

15:47

a lot of tech companies and

15:49

some companies you have never

15:51

heard of the day and age

15:53

of just now when I

15:55

was a kid the Budweiser's the

15:58

McDonald's the traditional advertising companies

16:00

on television have been dwarfed by

16:02

these some of these companies

16:04

that you've never even heard of

16:06

that have way more money

16:08

than quote -unquote the traditional 1990s

16:11

Fortune 500 companies I

16:13

understand some of these companies have so much

16:15

money, it doesn't matter. I don't think, like

16:17

if I was in the room, I'd go,

16:19

hey, listen, I'm a consumer first. I

16:22

don't think we need to waste $8

16:24

million on a commercial because the consumer

16:26

now, when it goes off, when the

16:28

game goes to commercial, we no longer

16:30

wait and go, I wonder what the

16:32

commercials are gonna be during the Super

16:34

Bowl. That was a huge deal. Anyone

16:36

my age or older knows that if

16:38

you watched the Super Bowl in the

16:40

90s, uh, waiting for the commercials was

16:42

equally as big as the game. Like

16:44

I wonder what Doritos is going to

16:46

do. I wonder what Budweiser is going

16:48

to do. And when they did something,

16:50

it really mattered. Nowadays, it doesn't.

16:52

Because you know what the consumer does on his

16:54

couch? Even if he's watching with 20 other people, 15

16:57

of them grab their phone and go right to it. Go

16:59

to Twitter, go to Instagram, go to

17:01

whatever app you're using, TikTok. I

17:03

think you are better off spending

17:05

some money if you do want to

17:07

go viral and try to go

17:09

viral that way. Through retweets, through reposts,

17:11

Because I just don't see like

17:13

if I was a company that was

17:15

on the fence like we don't

17:17

just have eight million dollars to throw

17:19

away Is this worth it? I

17:21

would say 100 % no way no

17:23

chance that we don't consume the product

17:25

the same way like when I

17:27

was at Michael Ewing's house in 1996

17:29

Watching cowboy Steelers or watching Brett

17:31

Favre take on the Denver Broncos. We

17:33

had like four straight years I

17:35

remember being a you know in like

17:37

junior high having Super Bowl parties And

17:40

we were glued when it went to

17:42

commercial that there is no chance you

17:44

could find a 15 year old, a

17:46

25 year old, a 40 year old

17:48

that when the game, you know, when

17:50

they go for three minutes of commercials

17:52

doesn't immediately grab their iPhone. I promise

17:54

you, I mean, just think how we

17:56

all act right now. Greg

17:58

Olson said that not being

18:00

part of the Super Bowl

18:02

broadcast and not calling Super

18:05

Bowls sucks. And

18:07

that, you know, he aspires and

18:09

plans on doing the big games

18:11

again. And listen, if you

18:13

were in his shoes, clearly you were

18:15

pretty good at your job and you

18:17

were making $10 million. And then you

18:19

got demoted to the second chair, not

18:21

the second chair, but like the second

18:23

game, right? Tom got elevated to the number

18:25

one game and you went from $10

18:27

million to $3 million. So any

18:30

human being would be pretty rattled

18:32

with that. My take has

18:34

always been one. Most

18:36

of these broadcasters, like it's clear when

18:38

a guy really sucks. Remember Monday Night Football

18:40

three or four years ago was like

18:42

unwatchable. You're like, this cannot continue. So

18:45

having Eggman at Collinsworth, Tony, I

18:47

think has gotten back to being

18:49

good again. It makes for an

18:51

easy watch. But we're watching these

18:53

games, whether basically I'm calling them,

18:55

whether you're calling them, whether Troy

18:57

Eggman's calling them. This is not

18:59

a podcast, right? If you just

19:02

threw for the next month, Joe

19:04

Rogan's like, I'm taking a vacation,

19:06

middle cough. This guy, this other bald guy, John

19:08

middle cough is going to fill in for me.

19:10

And I just filled in. There

19:13

is no way the listens would be

19:15

the same. They would diminish greatly.

19:17

It's like, is this middle cough guy

19:19

talking to Elon? Who's this guy talking

19:21

to Theobahn? Who's this guy pretending he

19:23

knows MMA? It would not work. Because

19:25

when you listen to Joe Rogan, when

19:27

you listen to this podcast, you come

19:29

for me. I come for him. I

19:31

come from whatever I listen to. And

19:33

in these games, like I'm there

19:36

because the Eagles are taking on the

19:38

commanders. Whether it's Tom

19:40

Brady, whether it's Greg Olson,

19:42

whether it's whoever. And obviously

19:44

these guys, like you want someone to

19:46

be good at the job, most of

19:48

these people that run these companies are

19:50

obsessed with the internet. So they're always

19:52

reading like, you know, what's some overweight,

19:55

losing, loser critic is saying with some

19:57

newspaper. And listen, we're all

19:59

critics in a certain To

20:01

a certain extent when we're watching something

20:03

we all have the opinions but ultimately

20:05

whether I think Tom Brady's overrated or

20:07

not And I just I don't even

20:10

think yeah, probably properly rated. He's not

20:12

very good I'm watching his games no

20:14

matter what because he's typically calling the

20:16

best game So I think Greg Holston's

20:18

kind of in a tough spot like

20:20

in these positions a lot of times

20:22

it has to do with fame and

20:24

You know in Tom Brady's position, he's

20:26

not bad enough where he's going to

20:29

get fired. They're paying him a ton

20:31

of money for a reason. And Coward

20:33

said this, you know, a lot of

20:35

it has to do with like the

20:37

marketing tool, you know, when Fox holds

20:39

these advertising, you know, huge conventions or

20:41

when they're pitching people, like they can

20:43

have Tom on the phone, they can

20:46

bring Tom to the event. And that

20:48

value is something that Greg Olsen just

20:50

doesn't bring to the table. Chris

20:52

Collinsworth, like most people that watch

20:54

Sunday Night Football, which is our

20:56

biggest show, Especially

20:58

if you're 20 or you're in your

21:00

20s. You're in your 30s have no

21:02

clue that Chris Collinsworth was a good

21:04

wide receiver in the 80s They could

21:07

never tell you that he went to

21:09

the University of Florida His playing career

21:11

actually is pretty irrelevant at this point

21:13

in time. He's just entertaining. He's just

21:15

good I'd venture to go like even

21:17

Troy Aikman like people aren't like banging

21:19

out his stats I remember when he

21:21

played that game in 1994. No, it's

21:24

like trigman's is good And

21:26

I think part of, you know, with Brady and Greg

21:28

Olsen, these guys that have recently retired, I mean, the

21:30

reason they got hired is because they just finished playing

21:32

and they're famous. But Tom Brady

21:34

is the most famous player in the history

21:36

of the sport. And it's no

21:38

different than if you just went around. Like if LeBron

21:40

James went to ESPN and said, hey, I'm interested

21:42

in calling games, he would make $20

21:44

million a year. If Tiger Woods went to CBS,

21:46

like, guys, I think I'm going to retire. I

21:49

just want to call like 10 tournaments a year.

21:51

They'd be like, name your price. I

21:53

guess that's kind of the way this

21:55

thing works and you get to a

21:57

certain level of fame whether you're talented

21:59

or enough like you jump people in

22:01

line and It sucks like if I

22:03

was in Greg's shoes, I probably wouldn't

22:05

be happy but like welcome to the

22:07

business world Another thing welcome to the

22:10

business world. Joe Shane said he's open

22:12

to anything He was interviewed at the

22:14

senior bull in Mobile, Alabama

22:16

which is just, it's gotta be pretty cool

22:19

from some of these people that are

22:21

coming from freezing cold conditions like Cleveland, Philly,

22:24

I guess Philly's probably not really represented there

22:26

with Howie, but I mean, they got

22:28

scouts there, but New York, New England, and

22:30

it's just kind of sunny outside, probably

22:33

like 62 degrees, gotta be pretty refreshing. But

22:35

Joe Shane said that he's open

22:37

to anything drafting number three overall

22:39

in this upcoming draft. I

22:42

think the giants are in major trouble. And

22:45

they had a good draft last year. You

22:48

know, if they had just started

22:50

their 10 year in 2024, I

22:52

think Pete, the future would be

22:54

pretty bright. But like,

22:56

once you make a decision like

22:58

Daniel Jones, and it

23:00

was one of those that's like, you

23:02

didn't just double down on Daniel Jones,

23:04

then when the cameras got behind the

23:06

curtain, you reiterated multiple times, like

23:08

we believe in Daniel Jones, we want to

23:10

see what Daniel Jones, we want to make this

23:12

about Daniel Jones. And then we

23:15

watched him play as poorly as

23:17

humanly possible. And I just

23:19

think if I was a Giants fan, unless

23:21

Joe's probably a good guy, I'm

23:23

sure he works hard, tries hard. It

23:25

is very, very difficult once

23:28

you completely fuck a fan base.

23:30

And whether that's fully justified or

23:32

not, like how much John Mara

23:34

had to do with the decision

23:37

when it came to Daniel Jones. And

23:39

the Saquon Barkley thing, like obviously there are

23:41

a lot of variables. He would not have

23:43

been as good with the Giants as with

23:45

the Eagles. Why? Because we've seen before it's

23:47

not humanly possible, but it's just hard to

23:50

take him seriously. And I

23:52

understand where fans goes like, can

23:54

this just experiment be over? Because

23:56

this guy is going to have

23:58

the power to draft quarterback when next

24:00

year we probably win at most

24:03

six games. It's not. Out of the

24:05

real impossibility women four or five

24:07

again, and then everyone's fired and we're

24:09

just starting over that does not

24:11

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24:56

I think he has put then

24:58

put into a very, very

25:00

unfair situation. Everyone. specifically

25:02

cowboy fans already does

25:04

not like them. They

25:06

don't even know him. But they

25:09

are almost rooting for this whole

25:11

thing to fail just so Jerry

25:13

looks even worse. Now Jerry did

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not help matters at all with

25:17

the opening press conference when in

25:19

very typical Jerry fashion made it

25:21

all about Jerry. But Brian

25:23

Schottenheimer gets talked about like he

25:25

just showed up to a football

25:27

field six months ago. that

25:29

he knows nothing about anything. And this guy's been

25:31

coaching in the league for a couple decades. His

25:34

father is a legendary figure in

25:36

the history of the NFL. Never

25:39

one of Super Bowl would just

25:41

had a fantastic career, just a

25:43

winning old school coach. And

25:45

I feel like Brian Schottenheimer, unless

25:48

he makes the playoffs year one,

25:50

I feel like the conversation about firing

25:52

him immediately. Jerry, we got to

25:54

move on. Steven, tell your dad. is

25:56

just going to get louder

25:59

and louder and louder. Now

26:01

Jerry did not help this situation

26:03

and created it by I think

26:05

leaking the press release that he

26:07

had hired him on Friday night.

26:10

But this is a situation it's not often

26:12

like Liam Cohen had just pretty embarrassing

26:14

moments when he get not when he got

26:16

hired but the way he handled the

26:18

buck situation and like no one will care

26:20

in a couple weeks. Right? No one

26:22

will care. Pete Carroll, 73 years old, gonna

26:24

try to win, he's gonna get a

26:26

couple years. This bright shot

26:28

number thing, if it does not

26:30

go well immediately... I think

26:33

it could get really really really

26:35

ugly from the Dallas Cowboy

26:37

fan base. There's just some pent

26:39

up anger from the McCarthy

26:41

era They're still like lingering Jason

26:43

Garrett stuff because every time

26:45

we turn on Sunday night football

26:47

There that redhead is just

26:49

staring at us with a big

26:51

smile on his face saying

26:53

absolutely nothing and I feel like

26:55

Brian Schadenheimer is getting the

26:57

brunt of all this past trauma

26:59

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27:01

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coached a game and it

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32:33

Hello John for the

32:35

mail bag I think

32:37

a lot of us agree the Pro Bowl

32:39

is a disaster and irrelevant. I remember

32:41

not long ago, and while the

32:43

NBA played around with the format for the

32:45

All -Star game, many outsiders

32:47

came with very interesting

32:49

proposals for how the game

32:51

could become competitive and

32:53

interesting for the players. In

32:56

the NFL, I haven't seen any

32:58

sort of interest for the league

33:00

to keep trying radical stuff other

33:02

than mini -games around the actual

33:04

game. or too many outside

33:07

voices proposing interesting alternatives. Since this

33:09

is not going away, I doubt

33:11

the NFL would want to sunset

33:13

this asset. I don't think I've

33:15

ever heard that saying before, sunset

33:17

this asset, but I kind of

33:19

like it. Where do you think

33:21

the change will come from? I

33:23

think the hard part is in

33:25

basketball, I saw someone,

33:27

it was on Instagram,

33:30

put the list of the people in the dunk contest,

33:32

I'd never heard of any of them. And

33:34

it's like, we just need to cancel the

33:36

dunk contest. Like part of the dunk contest was

33:38

like really famous people used to participate. Some

33:41

of the best players in the league,

33:43

it was a really big deal. It's

33:45

not anymore. So it's okay. Just like,

33:47

just cancel it. Now, the problem is

33:49

these television networks spent a lot of

33:51

money for these properties and would like

33:54

something to broadcast on a Saturday night

33:56

or in the football situation Sunday afternoon,

33:58

right? That's usually when the Bowl was.

34:00

In basketball, it's simply effort like guys

34:02

just don't try at all anymore. But

34:04

you can play a pickup basketball game

34:06

without getting injured, right? They don't need

34:08

to play like it's the NBA finals.

34:10

They just need to give a little

34:13

effort and it's pretty entertaining. I've watched

34:15

a lot of NBA All -Star games

34:17

in my day that weren't, you know, playoff

34:20

level intensity, but it was

34:22

still a fun watch. Football,

34:25

you're either all in or all out.

34:27

Because you can't once they got to

34:29

the point where it's like this is

34:31

a joke No one wants to get

34:34

injured. No one wants to get tackled

34:36

and do you blame them? You can't

34:38

half -ass football. It's why tanking

34:40

doesn't really exist It's why bad teams

34:42

constantly beat good teams down the stretch

34:44

It's why on any given week, especially

34:46

the last couple weeks of the season

34:48

when teams should just be playing for

34:50

draft Status they they win because you

34:52

can't dip your foot in the water

34:55

You basically got to jump into the

34:57

deep end when you play the sport

34:59

and it's the only sport of all

35:01

the major sports where you can't really

35:03

play a pickup football game Right, you

35:05

know in college or the pros you're

35:07

either playing football or you're not like

35:09

I could do a pickup basketball game

35:11

I can do a simulated at bat.

35:14

I can't run o -line d -line if

35:16

they're not wearing pads I can't run

35:18

a real football practice And

35:20

call it football if they're not

35:22

wearing pads and I think the

35:24

padded days are done And that

35:26

that's created. I think just I

35:28

don't blame players, right? If I

35:30

am a guy and I make

35:32

20 million dollars a year and

35:34

I like I'm playing pretty well

35:37

But if I were to get

35:39

injured I'd get cut Like I

35:41

I'm not risking that amount of

35:43

money for a pro bowl And

35:45

I you could argue they were

35:47

always making a lot of money.

35:49

I just think the mindset has

35:51

shifted and There's so much money

35:54

on the line. I think that

35:56

just had a huge huge impact

35:58

What genetically modified fuckery is this

36:00

sickness? I know you

36:02

went through it I've been

36:04

on my deathbed since Saturday had

36:06

a national sales meetings in

36:08

Miami the week prior crazy

36:10

awful sickness suggestions I just It

36:13

was awful I got

36:15

back -to -back IVs like I

36:17

probably spent $400 on Lady

36:19

coming over my house got

36:21

back -to -back days IVs I

36:23

drank a ton of Gatorade

36:25

and water. I just

36:27

slept. I mean it sucked. I

36:29

I don't get the flu often,

36:31

but when you get it like

36:33

that man That was awful seeing

36:35

all the international locations. Good luck,

36:38

buddy Announce for the games next year

36:40

in Europe. Do you think the NFL will ever

36:42

bring a game to Australia or are we too

36:44

far away? There is a massive support for the

36:46

NFL here and Aussies will get around any sporting

36:48

event. Do you think it could happen? I

36:51

Think I've said this before I

36:53

think one obstacle is the time zones

36:55

and the travel So I just

36:57

think it's a long way to go

36:59

You know, I mean my dad I

37:01

went to New Zealand when I was

37:04

like 13 with my dad He used

37:06

to go with his dad for like

37:08

a week during Christmas break, you know,

37:10

my dad was a farmer so

37:12

they didn't have that much to do

37:14

during the winter and My my grandpa

37:16

and my dad loved to fly fish

37:18

and they used to go there and

37:20

they met this guy and they went

37:23

years and years And I went I

37:25

just remember the flight was was

37:27

really really long and this back in

37:29

the day all I had was like

37:31

a CD player You know

37:33

with like two CDs So it's

37:35

probably an easier travel now

37:37

if you're sitting on the plane,

37:39

but it's a long these

37:41

NFL teams do not want to

37:43

go that long Name for

37:45

your fans the coffins Someone asked

37:47

me if I if I

37:49

had a name for the fans

37:51

Here's another one the podcast

37:53

is called three and out so

37:55

listeners would be called the

37:57

fourth downers Appreciate all the hard

37:59

work The

38:02

coffins and the fourth -downers. It's kind

38:04

of funny. The

38:07

coffers. Filling the coffers means

38:09

to add funds or a resource. Your

38:11

fans are just your most important resource. You

38:14

guys have a little creativity to you. Any

38:16

explanation why the Ravens, again, deviated

38:18

from the offensive philosophy and the playoffs

38:21

from what brought them so much

38:23

success in the regular season? Well,

38:26

they clearly like their offensive coordinator because

38:28

I just saw a headline he got

38:30

a contract extension now I wasn't thinking

38:32

he was gonna get fired, but He

38:34

had a rough little stretch back -to -back

38:36

playoffs. I just think he gets I

38:38

Think he gets in his own way

38:40

like this is not about style points

38:43

No one has any clue how many

38:45

yards Patromoans just threw for if you

38:47

put a gun to my head right

38:49

now I could probably get within 20

38:51

yards 190 yards 210 yards I no

38:53

one cares just like the week before

38:55

when the bills Beat the Ravens no

38:57

one cared that Josh didn't throw he

38:59

played winning. It's about winning the game

39:01

It's the only thing like style points

39:03

matter in the regular season like to

39:05

win MVPs To rush and pass for

39:08

a lot of yards to get ranked

39:10

high like that matters to coaches and

39:12

players. It's how you get paid as

39:14

a player Nothing matters in the playoffs.

39:16

Just have more points the other team

39:18

when the when the dust settles There's

39:20

no such thing as style points in

39:22

the playoffs So I don't

39:24

really know what to say beside

39:26

I think he gets caught up

39:28

in trying to pass the ball

39:31

Rams fan. I don't know if

39:33

I've ever been this gutted after

39:35

a loss Mainly because of the

39:37

immense high with puka sideline catch

39:39

followed by a small mistake by

39:41

the center leading to Carter sack

39:43

of Stafford out of a legacy

39:46

securing second Super Bowl on top

39:48

of that to see McVeigh crying

39:50

after the game and the utter

39:52

devastation on the players faces. It

39:55

has me wondering how these players

39:57

and coaches, who are ultra competitive, deal

39:59

with the losses. From your

40:01

perspective, do these kind of

40:03

things follow them throughout the offseason? Or

40:06

is it pretty much cured after

40:08

a trip to Cabo? I would

40:10

imagine Kyle, for instance, still wakes up

40:12

in the middle of the night tormented

40:14

by the Atlanta Falcons Super Bowl loss.

40:16

Would love to hear your thoughts. You

40:21

know, I think it depends as a coach

40:23

or a player where you're at in your

40:25

career. I think, you know,

40:28

if you make it to the NFL, let's

40:30

say as a player, let's say

40:32

I'm Matt Stafford, right? I

40:34

think you have a pretty good

40:36

appreciation for winning and losing, given

40:38

that you lost a lot with

40:40

the Lions. Once you

40:42

win the Super Bowl and accomplish

40:44

the biggest goal, that probably motivates

40:46

you to try to do it

40:48

again. And then you're in this

40:50

situation, like you've played in the playoffs enough now,

40:52

you realize what's on the line and then you

40:54

complete that pass. We're all human beings.

40:57

It can't help but cross your mind.

40:59

I even saw Sean McVeigh. There

41:01

was not any thought in

41:03

his mind that they weren't going

41:05

to win that game on

41:07

that final drive. And

41:09

then the level of devastation. So

41:11

I just think that I don't

41:13

want to say guys get numb

41:15

to it because losing sucks and

41:17

winning is fucking incredible. in any

41:19

walk of life but for most

41:22

of us winning and losing isn't

41:24

like as finite on a weekly

41:26

basis like it's just the game

41:28

ends you know and in football

41:30

each playoff game is a game

41:32

seven so I just think it's

41:34

a complete kick in the nuts

41:36

and you're just you're just shell

41:38

shocked but like any human being

41:40

after a couple days like you

41:43

eventually got to pick yourself back

41:45

up Like you said go on

41:47

vacation if you're a coach they

41:49

usually get a couple weeks off

41:51

go on vacation Hang out with

41:53

your family Get back to just

41:55

getting a sweat in have some

41:57

beers hang out with some people

41:59

I don't think it's that much

42:01

different than normal human beings right

42:03

the difference is they're used to

42:06

losing like it's You have a

42:08

great season the NFL you lose

42:10

five times right you go 12

42:12

and five like The Rams had

42:14

a really good season. They went

42:16

10. They lost seven games Each

42:18

regular season law the playoffs is

42:20

worse because there is no next

42:22

week But you see the locker

42:24

rooms after wins in the regular

42:27

season, right? How happy they are

42:29

Dan Campbell has gone viral because

42:31

of his locker room celebrations Well

42:33

losses are the same. It's why

42:35

you know why Andy's such a

42:37

good coach Because he's not a

42:39

big high low guy like you

42:41

watch some of his post game

42:43

celebrations. They're not like Yeah, I

42:45

watched his post game celebration for

42:47

the chiefs when they beat the

42:50

bills. He's like everybody Meeting tomorrow

42:52

two o 'clock if you notice

42:54

the teammates not in here make

42:56

sure you tell them again meeting

42:58

two o 'clock and Yeah, let's let's

43:00

say a prayer and enjoy the

43:02

night. It's like it's it's not

43:04

you'll Shawn is very emotional which

43:06

I am too I have much

43:08

more in common with a personality

43:11

with Sean than coach Reed in

43:13

terms of high and low. So

43:15

if you're a high and low

43:17

guy, it's it's really, really hard.

43:20

You know, I think if you're Puka Nakua, it

43:22

sucks to lose. But how could you not

43:24

think like, well, I'm going to play in this

43:26

league for right or wrong? I mean, an

43:28

injury could end your career. But you're just young.

43:30

You're in your second year. Like I'm playing

43:32

this league for another 10 years. I'll be back.

43:35

That's not necessarily true. I

43:37

also think that's why it's so

43:39

captivating. Right. It's so captivating It's

43:41

why everyone was on the edge of

43:44

their seat in the bill's chief scam because

43:46

you knew what was on the line

43:48

And you watch Josh Allen's face in these

43:50

press I get it really really hurts

43:52

But I bet if you were I would

43:54

assume Josh Allen's playing in AT &T Pebble

43:56

Beach this weekend Or maybe they are

43:58

they even doing that anymore? I maybe they

44:00

don't even have celebrities anymore. It could

44:03

be wrong on that So maybe he's just

44:05

who knows hanging out with his fiancee.

44:07

Let's calm down a little bit now But

44:09

like you said, there are things that

44:11

I'm sure come into his mind throughout the

44:13

offseason. And then I also think you use it

44:15

to your motivation, right? There's only going

44:17

to be one team and group of players and coaches that

44:19

are to be really happy. Every

44:21

other team is really devastated. And

44:24

the teams, every other team beside the Eagles

44:26

or the Chiefs, and obviously one of those teams

44:28

would be included in this is like, is

44:30

it really that devastating when the giant season ends?

44:32

Like half the players probably checked out, right?

44:34

But if you're the Packers and you lose in

44:36

the first round, like that's It's pretty gutting

44:39

if you're the commanders and you're just like you

44:41

start thinking Super Bowl and all of a

44:43

sudden you lose. So I think

44:45

you just you don't get numb to it.

44:47

I never did. Like I always was like

44:49

the ebbs and flows of winning and losing.

44:51

But I think for players, you just get

44:53

so used to it. Coaches get kind of

44:55

numb to it. It's like, how do coaches

44:57

handle injuries like they handle it? It's like

45:00

your best players just laying there. They're like,

45:02

next man in. It's just part

45:04

of the business. You

45:06

just, you know, to be successful, you

45:08

want to be on more wins than losses. High

45:14

school coach from Hawaii and looking for

45:16

some insight, I'm currently making the jump

45:18

from OC to head coach. What

45:20

are some things you've seen in

45:22

college in the NFL that have been

45:24

successful or unsuccessful when making the

45:26

same coordinator to head coach jump? I

45:32

think two keys here. One

45:35

is you have to stay true to yourself.

45:38

I think be authentically you. So

45:40

don't try to be, let's say the guy

45:42

you're replacing was your mentor and he did things

45:44

a certain way. And if you're going to

45:46

do them different, do them different. Do

45:48

the things that you do because you

45:50

want to do them. That

45:53

is very, very important. I

45:55

also think there is a separation.

45:57

Like when you're a coordinator, it's

45:59

different than being the head coach.

46:02

When you're the head coach, like there are some

46:04

things like you're gonna have to

46:06

balance like you're the boss so from

46:08

your coaching staff and your players like

46:10

there has to be some sort of

46:12

authority uh authoritarian figure of like the

46:14

buck ends with you you know if

46:16

something is not right it's on you

46:19

to fix it and it's on you

46:21

to hold everyone accountable i'm not saying

46:23

like you need to intimidate people but

46:25

you there there is like And

46:28

you do it through your actions not

46:30

you don't have to be super big

46:32

or you know some raging asshole But like

46:34

a this is this this is what

46:36

my expectations are and anything else won't

46:38

be accepted That's with your coaching staff

46:40

and with your players So to me communication

46:42

you're gonna have to communicate probably five

46:44

times better than you used to because

46:46

now you're talking to everybody and that's

46:49

with your coaches as well But I

46:51

would say don't be fake. Don't try to

46:53

act like You know a coach you

46:55

watch on hard knocks or you watch you

46:57

know act like Saban because you think

46:59

that's Saban acts like he's saving because

47:01

that's Saban I saw a clip the other

47:03

day He said like when he was

47:05

at Michigan State He was getting so frustrated

47:08

because all the reporters and Everyone that

47:10

covered the program just said he was

47:12

the biggest dick of all time and everyone

47:14

just said he's like miserable to be

47:16

around And he goes to

47:18

miss Terry his wife and goes like

47:20

this is crazy. Everyone thinks I'm just the

47:22

most miserable human being alive. And

47:24

Terry looks back at him and basically

47:27

goes. Have you looked

47:29

at pictures of yourself? Have you watched the

47:31

way you conduct yourself during press conferences? Why

47:33

would they think anything else? And

47:36

Nick said it like infuriated them and then

47:38

like waiter that night or the next day

47:40

realized she was right. And

47:42

he realized there's a balance

47:44

like he started. You know

47:46

trying to communicate better which is it's different

47:48

high school But like people to cover the

47:50

team is his coaching staff So you just

47:52

you got to be very cognizant of like

47:54

everyone's looking at you even in high school

47:56

like all your players and you know for

47:58

in high school their parents So it's a

48:00

it's a lot of pressure like you're gonna

48:02

have bad days you kind of I don't

48:04

want to say fake it and not show

48:06

it but the way you, you

48:08

know, your mannerisms. That's that goes for

48:11

anyone that's a boss. Like if you're in

48:13

a miserable mood, like it impacts everybody

48:15

when your court name is like whatever. I

48:19

would say the two coaches that I was around a

48:21

lot, they just acted like they normally act. I

48:24

mean, Coach Hill just acted like Coach Hill at

48:26

Fresno State. I mean, just he was just himself. And

48:29

Andy, they were very just comfortable in their own skin.

48:31

Now, both of them by the time I got around him

48:33

had been doing it for a long time. But

48:35

I would say to just just

48:37

be be yourself Given your history Cal

48:39

Poly Fresno State in Philadelphia and

48:42

football operations related roles Have you ever

48:44

had an awkward or uncomfortable in -person

48:46

run -ins with people who currently work

48:48

for college football or NFL teams?

48:50

Because of your takes or opinions as

48:52

a podcaster and media personality if

48:54

so, have you dealt with those situations

48:56

in real life? Yeah, Ryan

48:58

Gregson got really mad at me Thought

49:00

I was like stonewalling him like hurting

49:02

his chances for a job or something

49:04

You know people get pissed off I've

49:06

had people that I like get mad

49:08

at me and what are you gonna

49:10

do? You just like I just told

49:12

that guy you just say what you

49:14

think I'm no different than anyone in

49:16

the NFL. They have a every coach

49:18

and GM and assistant GM Could host

49:20

a podcast with their opinions that they

49:22

talk and I don't even feel like

49:24

I'm talking shit I'm just saying what

49:27

I think no different than any of

49:29

them everything I say is public and

49:31

Like I don't think I'm off the

49:33

beaten path that often Now

49:35

I did say something that I

49:37

knew last year got into the Giants

49:39

building about like Wink, Martindale and

49:41

Day Ball. And last year at

49:43

the combine I got on the elevator and Day Ball's

49:45

right there, he's looking at me. And I was just

49:47

like, yeah, if this guy's going to yell at me,

49:49

I wouldn't, I wouldn't blame him. Like he has the

49:51

right to be mad. He didn't say

49:53

anything. He's like, maybe he didn't even realize who I was.

49:56

I assume he didn't. Or maybe just, I don't know,

49:58

didn't want to get into a, it would not

50:00

like a scuffle, but. I was

50:02

prepared. It's like, okay, I'm sure

50:04

I'm gonna hear it here because obviously

50:06

that was a really public situation

50:08

Yeah, I mean, I don't

50:10

know. I don't really think about it

50:13

that often to be honest with you.

50:15

I don't really care But yeah, I

50:17

mean, I'm sure I've actually got way

50:19

more positive People that I didn't know

50:21

in the NFL that like the show

50:23

that find a way to reach out

50:25

and Develop, you know people that I

50:27

would not have known without this more

50:29

often than any of that It's a

50:31

weird business because, you know, we're talking

50:34

about this stuff. They are

50:36

human beings. But

50:41

also, like having worked in the

50:43

business, like, you know, not

50:46

everyone, if I don't think you're good, when I suppose

50:48

to pretend I think you're good. It's

50:50

why I'm much more comfortable

50:52

being hard on coaches and front

50:54

office people than players. Because

50:56

I have like it is I've said

50:59

this and I will say this till

51:01

the day I die It is infinitely

51:03

harder to make the NFL as a

51:05

player even if you are quote -unquote You

51:07

know like a practice squad I was gonna

51:09

say scrub but you can't be a

51:11

scrub to make the NFL But when you're

51:13

scouting like you get kind of jade

51:15

you're like this guy sucks this guy's okay

51:18

This guy's good like even though some

51:20

of the worst players that are in

51:22

the NFL It is way more difficult to

51:24

accomplish that Than it is

51:26

to become a position coach in the NFL

51:28

and there are way You know more

51:30

people that are coaching in the NFL that

51:32

should not be there aren't many there's

51:34

nobody that's playing in the NFL You know

51:37

on the especially like an initial 53

51:39

or plays in the game that probably should

51:41

not be playing in a game Obviously,

51:43

they might get replaced or might be better

51:45

guys coming up, but there are a

51:47

lot of people in NFL circles that are

51:49

complete for us non player It's

51:55

why I have no hesitation and obviously

51:57

the good coaches Are the good coaches

51:59

for a reason, but that's like any

52:01

industry, you know I mean there are

52:03

talented people and there are less talented

52:05

people and there are people that are

52:07

just scam artists like you can't scam

52:10

your way as a player like I

52:12

can scam my way as You know

52:14

a team president. I can scam my

52:16

way as a coordinator or hell sometimes

52:18

a head coach as You know the

52:20

assistant. I hear stories all the time

52:22

about this This guy is one

52:24

of the biggest frauds. I mean, I saw it with

52:26

my own two eyes. It's like, this guy's not

52:28

any good. And then you watch the guy go on

52:30

to become something. You're like, what is going on?

52:32

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52:35

I had 12 sacks

52:37

at Ole Miss. You

52:40

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52:42

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you think franchises such as these

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change your long -term outlook

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next season so that quote -unquote

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one time and win the vividly

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funny. I could never get

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those teams figured out. The Jets, I

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mean, had a 10 loss streak. I

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would say I saw a quote. I

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ago that Woody Johnson said

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that He poo pooed the

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article that came out on

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the athletic said it was

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a lot of hyperbolic Headlines

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in there that were fabricated

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a better owner that he

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needs to do a better

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job in his role as

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an owner And in my

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experience Though

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I wasn't in meetings with like the owner

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and the coach and the GM, it was

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pretty clear that Howie and Andy got to

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cook, right? And if you watch

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them now, like Veach and

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Andy just get to cook, right?

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And Howie gets to cook. I'm

57:34

not saying that those two don't deal

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with Clark Hunt or Howie doesn't deal

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with Jeffrey Lurie, but they are empowered.

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So when you hire these people, you have to

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empower them. And then if they're good, they

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will take your franchise to be a consistent winner.

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even as you hit rocky times, like you

57:50

don't, you're unfazed. I

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think a lot of these owners, because

57:55

when they hire, they're constantly hiring new

57:57

people, right? Hire this guy, he sucks,

57:59

fire this guy, hire this guy. And

58:01

they're always very, very involved. And it's

58:03

hard for them not to micromanage because

58:05

they go, oh, this is not working. And

58:07

I think it's very, very hard to overcome that.

58:10

It's like when you are a head coach or

58:12

a GM and you're constantly having to deal with

58:14

the owner's ideas, it can be very, very difficult. And

58:17

listen, it's unavoidable. And ultimately, if they

58:19

want to have an idea or chime in

58:21

their team, they can say whatever they

58:23

want. But I think that's a huge

58:25

problem here. So like when I think about the Falcons,

58:28

is it random that Arthur Blanks always on the fucking

58:30

field five minutes before the game? Or I

58:32

mean, at the end of the game, he's always standing

58:34

there like he likes to be a star in this

58:36

organization. Feels like he's got a heavy

58:38

hand. Rich McKay is the executor

58:40

of his estate and is the team

58:42

president. I mean, it just feels like

58:44

they're very, very involved. the

58:46

dolphins and that owner's nuts. I

58:49

think the Jags just have

58:52

to hire awful people. I

58:54

think Woody Johnson clearly, I think it's an ownership

58:56

deal. I see it with the Raiders. I think it's

58:58

hard for Mark not to get involved. I think

59:00

for the first time, I think he

59:02

did it with Gruden and then he hired these other

59:04

people and then he got back involved. And now I

59:06

think he's hoping with Tom and Pete, he can just

59:08

kind of stay out of it. I

59:11

think that's a key is like is your owner

59:13

constantly like bugging you with stupid ideas? And if he

59:15

gives you an idea, what are you supposed to

59:17

do not do it? It's

59:19

like when your boss is something

59:21

like kind of insinuates like yeah, I

59:23

should probably do this Because it's

59:25

pretty clear he wants this done And

59:27

in fairness like some of those

59:29

owners metal Like they hot they hire

59:31

Like the jets weren't wrong for

59:33

hiring Robert song of hot coaching candidate.

59:35

It just turns out like a

59:37

little over set Being

59:40

a head coach and back to

59:42

the guy asked me about the head

59:44

coach I can't speak. I mean,

59:46

I haven't been around high school football

59:48

since I was in high school

59:50

in 2002 But I think in college

59:53

football in the NFL as a

59:55

head coach You're doing so many tasks

59:57

that don't revolve necessarily around like

59:59

a football play or coaching a guy's

1:00:01

like footwork up You spend a

1:00:03

lot of your time as like a

1:00:05

guidance counselor Helping young people out

1:00:07

A guy having a bad day, just

1:00:09

talking to him. A guy

1:00:11

struggling in football, building his confidence

1:00:14

back up. A young coach,

1:00:16

like kind of riding him, trying to push him

1:00:18

to be better. You spend a lot of

1:00:20

your time doing that type of stuff. And

1:00:22

obviously in college and the pros, then there's

1:00:24

the media stuff. There's the promotion for your

1:00:26

program. I saw Andy on McAfee today. There's

1:00:28

a lot of other things that you have

1:00:30

to do that if you're just a linebacker

1:00:32

coach or the offensive coordinator, you don't have

1:00:34

to really worry about. So you

1:00:36

kind of it's a lot of these guys

1:00:38

get put in these positions like It's

1:00:40

it's why a opening press conference if you're

1:00:42

opening press conference is not a home

1:00:44

run. It's a red flag because Nothing after

1:00:47

that opening press conference is easy The

1:00:49

entire off -season is hard You now run

1:00:51

free agency the draft like everyone's asking you

1:00:53

questions like what do you think about

1:00:55

this coach? What do you like about this

1:00:57

coach? You like this player coach? Hey

1:00:59

coach. We got this guy who wants to

1:01:01

play with you. Hey coach The

1:01:03

offensive coordinator has a question. Hey, coach, the special

1:01:05

teams coach, uh, wants to run a couple of

1:01:07

things by you. Like it's just, it's just constant.

1:01:09

Hey, the, the owner needs to talk to you.

1:01:11

Hey, the AD needs to talk to you. You

1:01:14

just got to be able to

1:01:16

balance your time and not get

1:01:18

too stressed out, which I think

1:01:20

is why older coaches, you know,

1:01:22

there's a reason like you, you

1:01:25

look around, you know,

1:01:27

I mean, look at the Eagles hired

1:01:29

Fangio and their defense is dramatically better. Well,

1:01:31

if Fangio is like. 60 plus years

1:01:33

old he's been coaching for a long time

1:01:35

and kind of knows what he's doing

1:01:37

So guess who no longer has to think

1:01:39

at all about the defense Nick Siriani

1:01:41

So what does Nick have to worry about?

1:01:43

Like keep an eye on the offense

1:01:45

deal with Kellan and you know Jalen and

1:01:47

just kind of the team messages He

1:01:49

does not need to worry about the defense

1:01:51

That's nice to have Hell and Andy

1:01:54

is one of the greatest coaches of all

1:01:56

time Like he talks

1:01:58

to Spags a lot, but it's not

1:02:00

like he's telling him what to do

1:02:02

like he doesn't If I told Andy

1:02:04

on a given week like you're just

1:02:06

not allowed to say a word a

1:02:08

game week starting on Monday Through the

1:02:10

end of the game. You can't say

1:02:12

anything to Spags all week long. Can't

1:02:14

even ask him what they're doing You

1:02:16

beside the team meeting or whatever you're

1:02:18

not even allowed. This is an experiment

1:02:20

to talk to the defensive players He'd

1:02:23

probably sleep well at night. Some coaches

1:02:25

would have a heart attack So

1:02:27

it's like who are your

1:02:29

assistant coaches really really matter I've

1:02:32

been 25 been a Bears

1:02:34

fans my whole life and Never

1:02:36

have been more excited about

1:02:38

our offensive chances for the next

1:02:40

season with that said our

1:02:43

offensive line needs a major overhaul

1:02:45

How would you begin? Architecting

1:02:48

a line that could protect Caleb

1:02:50

Williams and run Ben Johnson's offense

1:02:52

What traits do you look for

1:02:54

in an O lineman when you're

1:02:56

scouting? Well, I think

1:02:58

it depends what kind of offense

1:03:01

you're running, right? If you run

1:03:03

the Shanahan zone scheme, I can

1:03:05

get by with less talented guys

1:03:07

that are more athletic, right? Everyone

1:03:09

would want the same star lineman,

1:03:11

like they would play in any

1:03:13

scheme, Panay Sule. The Niners would

1:03:15

take him, the Lions would take him, the Chiefs would take him,

1:03:17

the Giants would take him. He'd start for every team in the

1:03:19

league. Right Tristan Worfs Lane

1:03:22

Johnson Trent Williams those guys have

1:03:24

it all size strength athletic ability

1:03:26

power smarts Just feet. I mean

1:03:28

they got it all Most guys

1:03:30

though. It's like some guys are

1:03:32

not as good of athletes, but

1:03:34

they're very very powerful and Other

1:03:36

guys are much better athletes than

1:03:39

they are strong. So how do

1:03:41

we want to play? Right, you

1:03:43

know when I watch the Lions

1:03:45

they could kind of do it

1:03:47

all Why? Because they had an

1:03:49

elite offensive line. Their guys

1:03:51

were athletic. They were strong. They could run

1:03:53

zone schemes. They could shove you off the line

1:03:55

of scrimmage. The Eagles can

1:03:57

do the same thing. Like Lane Johnson,

1:04:00

Jordan Milada, Landon Dickerson, like these

1:04:02

guys can play in any scheme. So

1:04:05

do you know, is Ben Johnson scheme

1:04:07

dependent? Like, because if I'm going to

1:04:09

run more zone scheme, then I kind of

1:04:11

emphasize more athleticism. If I'm going to

1:04:13

run more of like a gap. power scheme,

1:04:15

which I think most teams do hybrids

1:04:17

of them both. I

1:04:19

think you just need to get guys that

1:04:22

start, right? So I need guys that

1:04:24

are just solid starters. I think that's a key

1:04:26

when you look at personnel. So

1:04:28

you go, how many solid starters do

1:04:30

we have on our offensive line? Do

1:04:32

we got one? So do we

1:04:34

need four guys? Can we upgrade four guys

1:04:36

in offseason? Probably not. But can we

1:04:38

add like two solid starters? Let's

1:04:41

say it's like a center in a guard or a

1:04:43

right tackle in a guard. potentially

1:04:45

three. Do we sign a couple guys in

1:04:47

free agency and draft two? It's

1:04:50

hard. And then you also, I

1:04:52

haven't seen who their offensive line coach

1:04:54

is, but, you know, that hire

1:04:57

for a young coach is huge. You

1:04:59

know, one of the biggest benefits that

1:05:01

the Eagles have is they've had Jeff Stoutland

1:05:03

since I was there. They hired Jeff

1:05:06

Stoutland when Chip Kelly came on. It's

1:05:08

2025. Jeff Stoutland has

1:05:10

been there with Chip Kelly. He's been there with

1:05:12

Doug Peterson. He's been there with Nick Siriani. And

1:05:15

guess who's had consistently one of

1:05:17

the best offensive linemen or line

1:05:19

lines? Jeff Stalin and the

1:05:21

Eagles. So it's like, when you get a

1:05:23

really, really good offensive line coach, that

1:05:26

guy can make Jordan Milotta in

1:05:28

the seventh round into a Pro Bowl

1:05:30

left tackle. That guy can

1:05:32

take young players and immediately plug and play

1:05:34

him as starters. So

1:05:36

it's like, you know, Ryan

1:05:39

Wendell. who was the assistant coach

1:05:41

for the Bills, who when I was in Fresno State,

1:05:43

he had just went to the NFL. He

1:05:46

played for a long time for

1:05:48

the Patriots, for Dante Scarneckia, and,

1:05:50

you know, was like a fringe

1:05:52

starter, started some games. Now

1:05:54

he's become a no line coach. McFay hired

1:05:56

him. Look how much better the Rams offensive line

1:05:58

is the last couple of years. It's

1:06:01

like Andy Reid has a good

1:06:03

offensive line coach, but Andy Reid is

1:06:05

also an offensive line guy. Like, that's

1:06:07

what he played. So he's very comfortable

1:06:09

coaching that. Harbaugh. loves offensive lineman. So

1:06:11

it's like he emphasizes drafting those guys,

1:06:14

recruiting those guys, but he also

1:06:16

likes talking to those guys, hyping them

1:06:18

up and coaching those guys and being

1:06:20

around those guys. So you kind of

1:06:22

get what you emphasize. And

1:06:24

if I'm if I am

1:06:26

Ben Johnson, I do exactly

1:06:28

what we just did in

1:06:30

Detroit. And luckily, they already

1:06:32

have some skilled guys on the roster, right? You

1:06:34

got a quarterback, you got a tight end, you got

1:06:36

a couple of receivers. It's just

1:06:38

all about investing in that spot

1:06:40

and I'm pretty sure like

1:06:42

when they got there in Detroit

1:06:44

Ragnar was already there When

1:06:47

you're he get drafted. Yeah, he

1:06:49

got drafted Matt Patricia. So

1:06:51

he got drafted in 18 but

1:06:53

And Decker was there as

1:06:55

well, but they drafted been a

1:06:57

stool and that was that

1:06:59

was a game -changing move Now

1:07:01

this bears team's not drafting. I

1:07:03

don't even what's their pick eight nine

1:07:05

ten I would just draft an

1:07:07

offensive lineman. It wouldn't even be a question. Offensive

1:07:10

lineman. If you

1:07:12

had to pinpoint why do you

1:07:14

think defensive coordinators taking head jobs

1:07:16

and instance instantaneously become CEO head

1:07:19

coaches that give up play calling

1:07:21

opposed to OCs who turn into

1:07:23

head coaches that say they will

1:07:25

call plays? It's so interesting

1:07:27

to me because they are hired upon the

1:07:29

fact that their defenses are good. It's

1:07:33

a good question. I think part of

1:07:35

it is You know part

1:07:37

of being an offensive coordinator and

1:07:39

becoming a star offensive coordinator is

1:07:41

you're kind of like the orchestrator

1:07:43

You know you're you're the director

1:07:45

of a movie you just You

1:07:47

are orchestrating these 11 guys like

1:07:49

you're running the place that the

1:07:51

defense has to react to as

1:07:53

defense of coordinator ultimately Your job

1:07:55

is like half motivation and obviously

1:07:57

half scheming But a lot of

1:07:59

your scheme is taking educated guesses

1:08:02

what they're gonna do As an

1:08:04

offensive coordinator, I'm creating something that

1:08:06

they don't know is coming. So

1:08:08

my skill, like part

1:08:11

of why it's so hard to

1:08:13

find a good defensive coordinator is they

1:08:15

got to obviously really understand scheme,

1:08:17

but they also have to have like

1:08:19

this pretty special motivational presence. Like

1:08:21

we just watch Vic Fangio around

1:08:23

dudes like he's this old chubby

1:08:25

kind of smaller white guy and

1:08:27

ask any human being that's ever

1:08:29

been in a meeting room with

1:08:32

him. like he commands respect.

1:08:34

One, he's just kind of an old

1:08:36

school curmudgeon until he really knows what

1:08:38

he's talking about. So it's

1:08:40

like when you watch Aaron Glenn, like

1:08:42

a huge part of his thing

1:08:44

is not just calling like corner blitzes

1:08:46

or, you know, teaching guys how

1:08:48

to tackle. It's like

1:08:50

leadership, right? It's motivation. And

1:08:53

as an offensive coordinator, like is

1:08:55

Ben Johnson, quote unquote, motivating people?

1:08:57

No, he's fucking calling incredible

1:08:59

routes for Saint Brown. and La

1:09:01

Porta and working on Jared Goff's

1:09:03

footwork. So he gets the ball

1:09:05

out of his hands on time

1:09:07

and running plays are going to

1:09:09

work. So I, I, I understand

1:09:11

why coaches do it because they

1:09:13

go, I can find someone who

1:09:16

knows a decent amount as the

1:09:18

same level of schematically as I

1:09:20

do, like we're on the same

1:09:22

level. But like my motivate, then

1:09:24

it's on me to also motivate

1:09:26

the offense, right? And just motivate

1:09:28

the team. Like I'm a motivator.

1:09:30

Look, that's why Aaron Glenn got

1:09:32

hired. He's motivator. Pete Carroll is

1:09:34

a leader motivator, right? Clearly

1:09:36

they have to know football and

1:09:38

no schemes against offense. But like Pete

1:09:40

Carroll's job is to like lead

1:09:42

the troops. That's Aaron Glenn's job. Like

1:09:44

that's kind of Dan Campbell's job. And

1:09:47

it's Johnny Morton's job to scheme guys open. If Johnny

1:09:49

Morton in two years gets a job out of the

1:09:51

Lions, like he will call plays. And

1:09:54

if Shepard, you know, it's it's

1:09:56

why I do appreciate. Um,

1:09:59

Demico Ryan's. Like, he's

1:10:01

calling plays. Ideally, I would

1:10:03

like you to do both. Right? But

1:10:06

some guys don't. Like,

1:10:11

is Ben Johnson going to... He's not going to

1:10:13

be some great motivator. That's not going to be

1:10:15

his thing. So he's going to be other guys

1:10:17

on staff to kind of play that role. And

1:10:19

in general, you have different guys talk to

1:10:21

the team. But... Commander's

1:10:23

fan here. Obviously, this team accomplished

1:10:25

more than anybody could have imagined

1:10:28

at the beginning of the year.

1:10:30

Jaden has implemented himself as our

1:10:32

franchise quarterback, but outside of Jaden

1:10:34

and Terry were an obvious skill

1:10:36

disadvantage at pretty much every position

1:10:38

when we play good teams. This

1:10:40

offseason, what do you think the

1:10:42

commanders need to do? I

1:10:45

would look for two positions. I

1:10:48

know you guys have some interesting running

1:10:50

backs. I would try to draft like

1:10:52

my Jameer Gibbs, my Alvin

1:10:54

Kamara, my Saquon, my Christian

1:10:56

McCaffrey, and luckily this draft is loaded.

1:10:59

So on the second day the draft either in

1:11:01

second or third round, I'm picking a running back. And

1:11:04

with the first round pick, I think you I think

1:11:06

you go any position. You know, I think

1:11:08

you could take a tight end easily. I

1:11:10

don't think I would take a wide receiver in the

1:11:12

first round. I would take

1:11:14

offensive linemen, defensive linemen or

1:11:16

tight. I would take something in

1:11:18

the line of scrimmage. And

1:11:21

in the second round, I'm just taking a running back.

1:11:23

And ideally, like, can we get

1:11:25

a dynamic running back that just

1:11:27

takes a little pressure off Jaden?

1:11:29

Because you just don't want her

1:11:32

to be Superman every fucking game

1:11:34

question for the mailbag Scottie Schaeffler's

1:11:36

2024 season was the most dominant

1:11:38

since Tigers 07 both winning seven

1:11:40

tournaments in just one year Do

1:11:42

you see Schaeffler maintaining this level

1:11:44

of performance is upcoming season seems

1:11:46

like now more than ever golf

1:11:48

needs a tiger tiger like Figure

1:11:50

to help the decline in ratings

1:11:53

and viewership. I would imagine

1:11:55

Scottie Schaeffler's gonna keep kicking everyone's ass and win.

1:11:57

I don't know if he's going to win seven

1:11:59

times, but I would put the number at like

1:12:01

four or five. I'd be stunned

1:12:03

if he doesn't win a major this

1:12:05

year. But there is no Tiger viewership.

1:12:07

You know, those days are done. It

1:12:10

wasn't just that Tiger

1:12:12

was such a transcendent figure.

1:12:15

Obviously, he, you know, there

1:12:17

wasn't any black golfers.

1:12:19

His name was Tiger. Technically,

1:12:21

his name is Eldrick, but like

1:12:23

he is the most unique figure.

1:12:25

of my life in any sport more

1:12:27

than michael jordan more than tom

1:12:30

brady more than juiced up barry bonds

1:12:32

more than now lebron or stef

1:12:34

partly because he took to took a

1:12:36

sport that is not mainstream that

1:12:38

is extremely let's face it i mean

1:12:40

before tiger woods it was just

1:12:42

known as a super rich guy sport

1:12:44

now golf you know i mean

1:12:46

it's still pretty expensive to play but

1:12:48

i mean it's proven like you

1:12:50

don't need to be a member at

1:12:52

a country club to play golf

1:12:54

but there will I

1:12:56

feel pretty confident saying this there is never going to

1:12:58

be another Tiger Woods in my lifetime. They're

1:13:00

just just not. He

1:13:02

looked different. He played

1:13:04

different. And again, his

1:13:06

name was fucking Tiger. I

1:13:10

don't know if Tiger Woods

1:13:12

is as big even if

1:13:14

he looked the exact same

1:13:16

and his name was Robert

1:13:18

Johnson and his dad instead

1:13:20

of Earl Woods was like

1:13:22

James. I think there is.

1:13:25

Scotty's a great player, but there's that

1:13:27

ain't happening again. It's just not that

1:13:29

being said I kind of like Scottie

1:13:31

Sheffler to win this weekend a Dolphins

1:13:33

fan here. My question is for the

1:13:36

mailbag What the hell do the Dolphins

1:13:38

needed to actually do to actually become

1:13:40

competitive? McDaniel and Greer are staying at

1:13:42

least for this upcoming year and to

1:13:44

his injury prone would love to hear

1:13:46

your thoughts on the Dolphins don't really

1:13:48

get discussed on the pod for obvious

1:13:50

reasons I Think we kind of see

1:13:53

who Mike is He's

1:13:55

just not a tough guy and

1:13:57

I don't think you fake toughness when

1:13:59

you think about like the best

1:14:01

teams Like the Ravens are tough not

1:14:03

just because like well, we got

1:14:05

a long history of being tough now

1:14:07

like John Harbaugh's a tough guy

1:14:09

and They draft tough players Right John

1:14:11

Jim Harbaugh's teams are always tough

1:14:13

like Jim's tough You kind of are

1:14:15

what your head coach is and

1:14:17

I think it's very very difficult to

1:14:20

overcome Mike McDaniel. He literally

1:14:22

went on a rant At

1:14:24

his end of the year press conference

1:14:26

saying fines don't work guys are showing up

1:14:28

late all the time Well, he's not

1:14:30

talking about the guy in the practice squad

1:14:33

because a guy in the practice squad

1:14:35

would never show up late Why he would

1:14:37

get cut? He's not showing talking about

1:14:39

backup players because those guys would get cut

1:14:41

as well Who can't afford fines? Look

1:14:43

at their roster. I think it's face fair

1:14:45

to assume. It's not too atonga by

1:14:47

Loa So is it Jalen Ramsey is a

1:14:50

Tyree kill? if these guys

1:14:52

if your best players don't respect you

1:14:54

you have no shot and i think

1:14:56

like listen he's got this cool look

1:14:58

he's got this hundred thousand dollar watch

1:15:00

and these thousand dollar sunglasses and that

1:15:02

shit was cool year one uh he's

1:15:04

got the curly hair rocking now with

1:15:06

the gel and he kind of looks

1:15:09

like a drug dealer like it's just

1:15:11

not funny anymore because when your team

1:15:13

plays a real game and it's cold

1:15:15

outside we expect you to get your

1:15:17

ass kicked and it's listen it's one

1:15:19

thing for me as a podcaster or

1:15:21

you as a fan to say that

1:15:23

Literally his players stop respecting him and

1:15:25

last year when Fangio left and was

1:15:28

like this place is fucked up and

1:15:30

all the players like he's such a

1:15:32

dick Ask the Eagles is Fangio a

1:15:34

dick or is he just really good

1:15:36

coach and good defensive coaches are kind

1:15:38

of hard asses and Being a hard

1:15:40

ass in the sport of football. This

1:15:42

isn't basketball kind of matters and kind

1:15:44

of works I'll promise you this no

1:15:46

one's showing up to Andy Reed's meetings

1:15:49

late over and over and over again

1:15:51

not tolerated. One, they respect

1:15:53

them. So I think when he said

1:15:55

that, I thought, whoa, they don't respect

1:15:57

the coach. And in fairness, he was

1:15:59

not alone. Shane Steichen said the same

1:16:01

thing after Pat McAfee called him out. And

1:16:04

I think sometimes with these offensive coaches

1:16:06

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it's like, what type owner is he constantly

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also like I'm kind of the boss,

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