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You're listening to the human

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upgrade with Dave Asprey. Busy,

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welcome to the human upgrade. Why is

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my brain a filthy liar? Every

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single one of us has a

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pattern of self-deception that keeps

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us stuck in repetitive cycles.

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Can you think of a

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couple repetitive cycles that you've

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experienced about your life, Dave?

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Oh, very, very many. It's funny.

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One of the quotes you just

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reminded me of that I said

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in some conference was that my

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powers of self-disception are legion, and

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doing neurofeedback, where you kind of

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have a lie detector to say,

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well, is what I'm saying true

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or not, the lies we

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tell ourselves invisibly, are insane.

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They are, and they can

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be both positive and negatively

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skewed. Perhaps we want to

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take a little dive into what

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self-deception is and then how to

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determine what's positive or negative and

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how that can impact the trajectory of

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our life. Wow, that was a great

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way of just asking yourself a question.

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Yes, let's see that. Great. So

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with positive self-deception, these are

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things that in my opinion many pro-athletes

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or extreme athletes may experience where you

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or I may look at a cliff

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and we say, you know. That's not

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a risk I want to take today. I

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don't think my body is built for that.

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I haven't trained for that. And an extreme

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athlete may look at that and think, send

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it. I got this. Do they have it? Do

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they have the skills? Have they

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spent enough time in the gym

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building the muscles? Having been an

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athlete myself in the pro skiing

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world, I can attest many of

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them are taking bongrips and they

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are not training in the gym,

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okay? So is that positive self-deception

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that they can look at it

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and say, I got that, send it? Yes.

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But we know that when we believe

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something to be true... we're more likely

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to experience that as

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the reality. So some forms of

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positive self-deception... lead people to land tricks

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or skills that they probably don't actually

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have the training to land. For some

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of us, they lead us into traps

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that are very frustrating. I'll speak from

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my personal example. One of my areas

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of positive self-deception is I think I

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can figure everything out. And of course,

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even as I say that, there's a

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little part in my brain that says,

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yeah, but you pretty much do. But

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at what cost? What do I have

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to sacrifice to figure it all out?

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And I think these are the areas

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where we start to bargain and justify

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in a little background channel that many

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of us are not focused on and

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we're not aware of in the moment.

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So we end up bargaining and we

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deceive ourselves into maybe taking on too

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much or taking on tasks or jobs

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that shouldn't be ours. And then of

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course we've got the negative side. We

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can convince ourselves that someone is an

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abuser that may not be. We could

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convince ourselves that a situation is not

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safe when... Perhaps we're the ones that

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are adding hypervigilance and anticipation to the

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scenario and we're not safe. Does this

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tie into the Dunning-Krugger effect? It certainly

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can. So this is the idea where

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80% of apparently men in this study

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said, oh yeah, I could land the

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Boeing 747 if the pilots unconscious and

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that's probably not true. And it's because

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we don't know what we don't know.

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Or is this something different? kind of

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gloss it over with our subconscious. I

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think what you're describing is absolutely something

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that has been studied and observed to

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be true, but again, let's use the

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Boeing example. We'll never know, right? They

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believe that they could when push comes

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to shove, could they land the plane?

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I think there's enough science to back

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that by believing they could, they technically

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would be more likely to pull it

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off, but... We'll never know. I think

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I could, but that's because I have

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Deep Seek loaded on my laptop and

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I would just sit it there and

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by Deep Seek which button do I

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push? So I would just bring a

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cheater. So maybe I would. So if

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the plane's ever going down and I'm

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on it with the adversary, like, we're

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going to be fine. Or not. Or

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not. But if I fail, I won't

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know. So there's that. Yeah, I mean,

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well, at least maybe we'll have fun

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on the way down. Right. So when

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we think about the way self-deception operates

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in our mind, I like to think

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of it like putting on a lens

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of glass. Right. So you've got glasses

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on. Your glasses lenses are colored. pretty

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clear that you're wearing glasses. But the

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average person, they've spent so many years

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of their life in this same developing

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pattern of self-deception that they don't realize

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they're wearing glasses. They think they're just

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seeing the world. Yes. So when we

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start to notice the trends or the

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patterns in self-deception, we can start to

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see what went into the lens of

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glass. And really self-deception is entirely an

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input equals output formula. Early childhood inputs,

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repetitive. adversely perceived and adversely perceived is

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important here because when you come into

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the world, a child, you're not yet

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jaded. You're not hardened. You can't look

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at maybe mom's reaction this time and

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say, oh, well, that wasn't as bad

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as last time because everything is brand

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new. Children are inherently innocent. They're curious.

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They want to explore their world. Their

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hearts are wide open, right? They're not

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hardened yet. So it doesn't take much

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for a child to perceive trauma. And

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I think that's something that goes overlooked

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in most cases, and I think especially

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over the last five, six years, the

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term trauma is thrown around, I think,

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in a variety of ways that are

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not doing it justice. And really, each

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one of us has a really childhood

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trauma. And I know that they've done

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study on aces and adverse childhood experiences.

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The reality is we all have that.

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There are a variety of levels to

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that, but it's all ultimately personal perception

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So I could experience something that we

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could all say is objectively traumatic the

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same that that child experiences in their

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world, a facial expression on dad, a

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fight between mom and dad, their criteria

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of objectively traumatic, so think of a

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soft block of uncarved wood. So think

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of a soft block of wood. Got

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that in your head? Everything that that

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child experiences in their world, a facial

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expression on dad, a fight between mom

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and dad. handing your parents a picture

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that you drew and expecting them to

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know what it is and they're like,

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what is it a dinosaur? And you're

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like, no, it's a tree. I'm a

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terrible, I'm a terrible artist, right? Something

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that small. Those all start to take

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carvings away at this soft block of

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wood. These carvings are what start to

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shape our lens of glass with how

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we see the world. And what's very

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important to remember here is that. A

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child is not thinking the way you

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or I would think now. They can't.

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They can't. They don't have the ability.

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So they're formulating a belief about their

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world that is turning into a formula

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that our brain will run over and

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over again based on early childhood knowledge.

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So they are jumping to conclusions that

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are probably not logical. They are trying

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to see from a more adult perspective

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without the life experience to properly inform

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their definition. So... Most of us are

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operating in the world like a five

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to eight year olds, not realizing that

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our brain is trying to kind of

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skew everything that we're seeing experiencing by

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that five to eight year old perception.

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When we look at self-deception, these are

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early childhood rules that we created and

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now are, you know, I'm about to

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term 40. My 40 year old eyes

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are looking through this distortion. So to

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me when I look at them like,

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yeah, I'm thinking about it like a

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40 year old. But no matter what,

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as soon as our sight goes through

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that lens, everything's going to get slightly

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distorted, slightly blurry, our preferences and the

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things we think we want to do

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and we think make us feel safe.

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will actually lead us into the very

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traps likely that we're part of the

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early childhood formula that we created. Do

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people get triggered when you say that?

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Absolutely. Got some good stories about that

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one. I would have been one of

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those. In my 20s I was kind

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of a hyper rationalist computer science guy.

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I had Asperger's syndrome and I was

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absolutely convinced that the world was logical

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and rational and people were irrational and

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emotional and that was the problem with

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humans. And then I went through some

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personal development kind of things and was

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like, oh my God, there's all this

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emotional garbage signal from the neck down

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and I'm going to have to sort

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through all that because I never did

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as a kid. And I found out

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that I was getting kicked into sympathetic

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or fight or flight like hundreds of

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times a day by just random stuff

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in the world around me with no

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knowledge or awareness or consent. It was

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like, I can handle this, like I'm

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invulnerable, right? Nothing can hurt me because

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now I'll be safe. And I would

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just say everything you said is true.

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And I would have reacted to the

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idea of trauma, because part of being

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safe, especially as a guy, is like,

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I can handle this, like, I'm invulnerable,

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right? Nothing can hurt me, because then

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I'll be safe, which is... really self-disception,

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right? Because of course of being, you

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know, if a safe falls on your

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head like it does in the cartoons,

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I'm pretty sure you're going to get

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hurt. Realizing that those early traumas, maybe

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it was like a really big thing.

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But like you said, all it means

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is you were little and you felt

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unsafe. And then your defense system, I

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called the meat operating system in my

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work, it said, oh, next time something

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matches that pattern, without a lot of

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context, well... then you should be ready

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for danger. And if you have enough

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times or you didn't feel emotionally safe

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or physically safe or any of those

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things, there are going to color your

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reality, right? And then... The idea that

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you put about a filter, well, we

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are irrational adults. Unfortunately, if you're acting

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rationally on a world that was painted

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by an irrational system, that's where we

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get all this garbage. So what's the

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way out of this trap? Because apparently

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all humans have it. There's so many

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ways out of it, and I do

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want to touch on something that you

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were just mentioning about how you respond.

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What did you say your meat response

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system? Meat operating system. Each. has a

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unique way that they respond to the

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perception of danger or the feeling of

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being unsafe. In my work, I've actually

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challenged that safety is actually everyone's core

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issue. I think there are three distinct

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issues and then that's actually part of

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what changes someone's brain pattern type. So

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if I may, is it okay if

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I kind of, I'll layer all of

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these and then I want to make

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sure we hit. the emotional addiction cycle,

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because I think that's very important. So

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I'll circle back to that one. So

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let's go back to this analogy of

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uncarved block of wood. I believe that

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we have certain lessons that we have

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to learn here in this life, and

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they build sequentially. So it's like you

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can't skip to lesson three if you

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didn't pass lesson one. I see lesson

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one as believing that you have a

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fundamental right to exist in a human

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body. Okay, in your meat suit. Wow.

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So this very first lesson is I

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am a human and I have a

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right to exist. Maybe I'm not safe,

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maybe my parents suck and I can't

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trust them, but I am and I

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have a right to exist. And if

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you think about it, because I work

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with severely traumatized individuals, I work with

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survivors of SRA, there are quite a

11:32

few people who don't believe that. What

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is an SRA? Saitanic ritual abuse. Okay,

11:36

got it. Yeah, Teal Swan was on

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talking about that a while ago. So,

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okay, so you're going to the side

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notes. So much more prevalent than people

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want to believe it is, but that's

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a side note. That's the first step

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is we have to actually expand. an

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environment that allows us to believe we

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have a right to exist. And when

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there is severe trauma or neglect or

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starvation or severe drug use that is

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basically let a child to have to

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fend for themselves in terms of very

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basic needs, that is most likely to

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be the result of an output like

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that. What percentage of people have, I

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don't have a right to exist as

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their court's? Less than 5%. Okay, so

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this is unusual. Unusual, this brain pattern

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type I've worked with incarcerated populations, this

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brain pattern type is significantly higher when

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you're in incarcerated populations, but out in

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general population it's very statistically low. Is

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it correlated with ADHD or sociopathy or

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autism or bipolar or anything like that?

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Interestingly note, those ones are all correlated

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with something else. So in my work

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I teach something called the brain pattern

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spectrum. So maybe before I go into

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the definitions, let's all have a working

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visual. A very visual personary visual visual.

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Okay. So imagine a scale that is

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divided in half. Okay, and you can

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hash it out. Let's say 20 clicks

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to the left, 20 clicks to the

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right. Okay. So if I were to

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start in the middle and I were

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to walk to the left, every click

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that I go to the left, I

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have more self-trust. Okay. I am more

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situationally aware. Right so these things are

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all going to increase at the same

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time. I'm more hyper independent. I prefer

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Work and career and purpose driven things

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over relationships or at a minimum find

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them easier more peaceful Okay, so it's

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not that they don't desire relationships, but

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relationships tend to be more fraught with

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struggle than career or purpose driven things

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If you were to imagine those things

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increase all the farthest left side where

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you have extreme situation awareness and extreme

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self-trust. What do you think would occur?

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You'd be hyper vigilant and probably want

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to be an UV seal or something.

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You'd probably be paranoid. You would be

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paranoid. I could be. If you got

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all the way to that farthest to

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the left side, you wouldn't be able

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to sort out what inputs you're gathering

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from your world that are worth acting

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on. It would become overwhelming. That is

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actually autism. You see where you see

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what? That was my childhood. Way too

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many inputs and not enough processing power.

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So most, because obviously it's a spectrum,

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most high functioning autism is going to

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be on that far left side of

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the spectrum. Okay. There are a few

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other cases that would be on the

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right side of the spectrum, but they

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are much smaller, and they tend to

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be the types of autism spectrum that

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right now are coinciding with gender dysphoria.

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Yeah. Those are one together. Yes. So.

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But this far left side, this is

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not that type. So you can't be

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gender dysphoric right side and paranoid left

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side? So you can, I have had

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clients that are gender dysphoric on the

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left side, but the autism overlay with

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gender dysphoria tends to be a right

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side spectrum problem. This is so interesting.

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I love these frameworks. Within this left

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side spectrum, there's actually multiple patterns. If

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we look at the whole human population,

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my work has found that. over 8

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billion people actually only have five brain

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pattern types. So you can take everyone

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in humanity to steal them down to

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five brain pattern types. There are subtypes

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from the five that help define where

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they would be in those hash marks,

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but ultimately there's five versions of human

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being. So we've got a variety of

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patterns on this left-hand side. My pattern,

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for example, I would be maybe like

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five clicks to the left. Okay. My

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assumption based on everything I've seen of

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you is you'd be split maybe five

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to six more clicks to the left

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than I am. Okay. But also as

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you get toward the center, you become

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more spontaneous. So I'm very spontaneous and

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go with the flow probably skewing toward

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chaotic if I don't do my pattern

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opposition work. As you move out to

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the left, as you can. Imagine you

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become more and more and more controlled.

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You like to repeat certain things. You

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like to do things a very specific

15:51

way. And when it comes to the

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biohacking community, you're going to see a

15:56

large chunk of those brain pattern types

15:58

present. They like the routine. They want

16:01

somebody to give them a stack. They

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want to know if I do X,

16:05

Y, and Z, I'm going to get

16:07

here. And they can keep repeating that

16:10

over and over again. Yeah, we like

16:12

outcomes and things that work. Yeah. As

16:14

you get toward the middle of the

16:17

middle of the spectrum. Those are the

16:19

people that are going to be like,

16:21

yeah, I see value in that. And

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then we'll do it for two days.

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And then they're like, oh, crap, I

16:28

forgot to do that. And it's been

16:30

four days, right? So that's me. I'm

16:33

toward the middle. So I would expect

16:35

you to be further out toward the

16:37

left. If we now go back to

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the center and we fan out to

16:42

the right hand side, all the things

16:44

that we just talked about go the

16:47

opposite direction, situational awareness. Their situational awareness

16:49

is going down because their relational awareness

16:51

is going up. So they're so fixated

16:53

on what others think and feel that

16:56

they're missing cues in their external world

16:58

that you or I would pick off

17:00

on in a second. This is hilarious.

17:03

The reason I'm laughing is I'm dating

17:05

the founder of We Deep in. She's

17:07

a relationship coach and is all about

17:09

the relational stuff and yeah, there's some

17:12

things I'm like. It's common sense that

17:14

if you do this, that's going to

17:16

happen. It is not common sense. It's

17:19

so interesting, but relationally, you should do

17:21

the same thing to me. So this

17:23

is very enlightening. So, situation awareness goes

17:26

down, relational awareness goes up, but when

17:28

we think of relational awareness, we're like,

17:30

oh, that sounds great. This does not

17:32

go well for these people. or situationally

17:35

unaware and relationally aware, you start to

17:37

fixate on what others think and feel,

17:39

which is mostly assuptive. I think you

17:42

can't know, right? It's not like you

17:44

or I could look at that and

17:46

be like, that light has red orange

17:49

and yellow because it's happening in objective.

17:51

reality, right? We are a situation where

17:53

we can see what light that is.

17:55

But somebody who is on this right

17:58

side spectrum, they're going to be thinking,

18:00

does this guy think that I'm an

18:02

idiot? Does this guy looking at the

18:05

back of my shirt, not even realizing

18:07

that there's a red light in front

18:09

of me? Because I'm so focused on

18:12

what these people are thinking. As you

18:14

can imagine, it's a rough way to

18:16

go through life. We also see that

18:18

career and purpose, start to go down.

18:21

Their self-trust also goes down. They don't,

18:23

they don't, they're not self-generating. They're looking

18:25

to others to tell them what to

18:28

do and get feedback from their external

18:30

world about what I'm doing and if

18:32

it's good enough or it's gonna get

18:35

me where I wanna go. But unfortunately,

18:37

if you look at the right side

18:39

people, these are rejection oriented patterns. The

18:41

left side patterns are very much abandonment

18:44

oriented. So we'll get back into kind

18:46

of the core wounds, but essentially this

18:48

is how it splits. Are we just

18:51

all fucked? Because like you're on either

18:53

rejection or abandonment. So here's the interesting

18:55

thing. I have found over 11 years

18:58

of studying the data that actually there's

19:00

a very specific spot on the spectrum

19:02

where quality of life is reported to

19:04

be very high. Where's that? You're pretty

19:07

much in it. You and I are

19:09

both in it. It's the left side,

19:11

it's like the middle of the left

19:14

side of the spectrum. Oh, cool. So

19:16

I can tell my girlfriend that and

19:18

judge her, is that? Well, no. But

19:21

we, but, but, my husband is on

19:23

the right side of the spectrum as

19:25

well, and it is, you know, when

19:27

they say opposites attract, it is very

19:30

common that opposite brain pattern types will

19:32

be drawn to each other. In my

19:34

work, I call the sympathetic dysfunction. there's

19:37

a certain way that your pattern needs

19:39

to be triggered for you to fulfill

19:41

your cycle and it just so happens

19:43

that when you do that it is

19:46

likely their trigger. So you get to

19:48

just kind of roll over in this

19:50

washing machine cycle of doom over and

19:53

over again. How fun. If you were

19:55

to date somebody who was very close

19:57

to you in the spectrum you'd probably...

20:00

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20:06

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20:10

us chemistry really is like

20:13

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20:15

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22:43

No questions asked Why are humans

22:45

so fucked up? That's I feel

22:47

like that answer goes way too

22:49

spiritual probably for this conversation That

22:51

would be a whole on their

22:53

podcast episode Well, I don't know

22:55

that we can dodge that I

22:57

mean, I just wrote heavily meditated

22:59

you mentioned wearing a meat suit

23:01

and you mentioned in this life

23:03

I mean are we talking like

23:05

reincarnation and karma like what's going

23:07

on? My perspective of those things

23:09

has certainly iterated over the years

23:11

early on my career when I

23:13

was 19 I started off as

23:15

a past life regression hypnother therapies.

23:17

Oh cool so I spent many

23:19

years very much believing that to

23:21

be true. I had experiences right

23:23

in front of me where people

23:25

would go back to speaking in

23:27

different languages and having access to

23:29

information that there's no way they

23:31

could have known. And that happened

23:33

right out of the starting gate

23:35

for me. From where I sit

23:37

now and years of experience and

23:39

being out in the field, I

23:41

believe that it's much more likely

23:43

to be that our DNA houses...

23:45

memory of ancestral lines. and that

23:47

some of us can pull those

23:49

files off of the hard drive

23:51

very easily. And when we click

23:53

them, we experience it through our

23:55

meat suit. So it feels like

23:57

us. And perhaps it would have

23:59

been part of our ancestral line.

24:01

But from where I sit now,

24:03

I would pretty much stake any

24:05

amount of money in Vegas that

24:07

it is coming from information housed

24:09

in our DNA rather than it

24:11

being an actual past lifetime. This

24:13

is so cool. When I do

24:15

advanced work on forgiveness with clients

24:17

at 40 years of Zen, they

24:19

go through and they reset all

24:21

the childhood traumas they can think

24:24

of. And then they go in

24:26

one of three directions. After they've

24:28

kind of cleaned out their hard

24:30

drive of current stuff, some people

24:32

go to pre-imperinatal, like stuff that

24:34

happened in the world. I certainly

24:36

had a lot of work to

24:38

do there. Some people go into

24:40

their lineage. and they're going through

24:42

family trauma for generations, especially if

24:44

there was World War II or

24:46

if their family was forced immigrants

24:48

from anywhere on the planet. And

24:50

then another group of people goes

24:52

into past life stuff that has

24:54

nothing to do with their lineage.

24:56

Right? Like the first time I

24:58

did any of this, I had

25:00

no belief in anyone who would

25:02

think that stuff was nuts. And

25:04

I'm like, why am I speaking

25:06

like 14th century French? What is

25:08

going on here? Like this doesn't

25:10

make any sense. It kind of

25:12

blew my mind. Why do people

25:14

go through those three different patterns

25:16

if it's all DNA base? It

25:18

feels like you're just doing lineage

25:20

work. You're not doing past life

25:22

work. So Who's to say that

25:24

that 14th century French is not

25:26

somehow in your lineage? Could have

25:28

been. Although a few other ones

25:30

that probably aren't there in my

25:32

23 and me that I remember.

25:34

So I mean, here's an example.

25:36

So this is going to get

25:38

weird for a second. I'm all

25:40

over the weird man. I do

25:42

hard science because it matches weird.

25:44

I have had. I have an

25:46

awareness of multiple lifetimes that I've

25:48

experienced that are not even human.

25:50

So, you know, how does one

25:52

process that again? And I think

25:54

when we talk about DNA, we're

25:56

thinking strictly the strands of DNA

25:58

that we learn about in science,

26:00

right, in the physical sciences, I

26:02

have studied and seen the way

26:04

my kind of natural intuition works,

26:06

that there really are other spiritual

26:08

strands of DNA that kind of

26:10

wrap around that that are not

26:12

necessarily things that we're going to

26:14

see with a microscope where we're

26:16

going to be able to break

26:18

down with how we study epigenetics

26:20

or, you know. DNA. There are

26:22

aspects of us, whether it's from

26:24

soul spirit, that could be from

26:26

other places, other lands, other times.

26:28

I think our perception of being

26:30

time bound here in this physical

26:32

world is extremely limited and it's

26:34

not what's real. I think 90%

26:36

or more of what is actually

26:38

happening around us gets filtered out

26:40

by our brain. And that's overwhelming.

26:42

I mean, we even know with

26:44

the light spectrum, we're... basically not

26:46

even seeing the majority of the

26:48

light spectrum. So I think there's

26:50

so much more going on out

26:52

in the world, but I do

26:54

ultimately, and this is where I

26:56

have to go back to you,

26:58

I do believe that we have

27:00

a spirit that is distinct, and

27:02

I don't think my spirit has

27:04

been somebody else's spirit. And that's

27:06

where I think I start to

27:08

draw these lines where I can

27:10

become aware of somebody else's spirit,

27:12

and I think that because ultimately...

27:14

we are connected in some way

27:16

and I especially thinking of kind

27:18

of maybe smaller groups of people

27:20

I've heard people use the word

27:22

monad group before it's like a

27:24

small smaller soul yeah exactly so

27:26

I think within that smaller group

27:28

we might have more ability to

27:30

access other people's memories but ultimately

27:32

the more work I've done on

27:34

it I really feel very clear

27:37

that I busy gold in the

27:39

spirit that exists in one place.

27:41

I'm doing a very small event

27:43

with the Dalai Lama later this

27:45

year. So I'm going to ask

27:47

them if I get a chance.

27:49

Because that's one perspective too, but

27:51

this always fascinates me. And what

27:53

you said that stands out the

27:55

most is that we're throwing away

27:57

90% of what's in the world

27:59

around us, and it may be

28:01

a lot more than that even,

28:03

because we know that time is

28:05

fake. If you can prove it

28:07

with biocentrism, with quantum physics. And

28:09

so our perception of time allows

28:11

us to exist in these meat

28:13

bodies, but our bodies invent time

28:15

so that we can experience reality,

28:17

but time is provably not really

28:19

there. If you look at it

28:21

from a biblical paradigm, and I

28:23

think people tend to look at

28:25

it from more of a legalist

28:27

perspective where I do not at

28:29

all actually think that in particular

28:31

the Old Testament is like one

28:33

of the wildest spiritual books that's

28:35

ever existed if you read it

28:37

with... I always like to use

28:39

a visual of like, imagine that

28:41

you had a, what do you

28:43

call it, like a monocle, right?

28:45

Okay, so like, let's all put

28:47

on a monocle, but you have

28:49

to have so many different lenses

28:51

layered on top. So you've got

28:53

like a monocle that looks like

28:55

a telescope now, right? You have

28:57

to have knowledge of ancient civilizations.

28:59

You have to understand the fallen

29:01

angels. There's so many different paradigms

29:03

that you have to stack up

29:05

on top of each other to

29:07

now, go read the Old Testament

29:09

and be like holy. What? I

29:11

think the answers to a lot

29:13

of the questions we're talking about

29:15

actually exist in that book, and

29:17

I know that that can be

29:19

triggering for some people who have

29:21

been raised Christian and have been

29:23

beaten over the head with it,

29:25

and it brings up the religious

29:27

trauma. I was raised Jewish in

29:29

New York, and it was kind

29:31

of just a free-for-all of liberalism,

29:33

so I didn't have that experience.

29:35

So I feel like when I

29:37

was able to come to read

29:39

the Old Testament, and it wasn't

29:41

carrying all of that with me.

29:43

what I see is logically. And

29:45

if you look at it logically,

29:47

what happens at the time of

29:49

the fall is that we actually

29:51

become. time bound and we lose

29:53

our ability to see the whole

29:55

light spectrum. We lose our ability

29:57

to see multi-dimensionally. We become cast

29:59

down and we're restricted to the

30:01

third dimension and what I call

30:03

the fourth dimensional sticky web where

30:05

it's like a time distortion because

30:07

some of us feel very time

30:09

bound and then others of us

30:11

don't. I am acutely aware of

30:13

moments that I've hopped through time

30:15

and come back again. So some

30:17

of us have that malleability where

30:19

we're not... I don't really feel

30:21

as time-bound perhaps as someone in

30:23

my family that thinks very concretely

30:25

would. But I think ultimately that

30:27

is all described in Genesis. And

30:29

if we ask the question, why

30:31

do we experience all this trauma,

30:33

we can also basically answer the

30:35

same question and the same book,

30:37

which is when we came down

30:39

to this world and we're kind

30:41

of cast down and restricted here,

30:43

we're basically experiencing the dark side

30:45

of humanity and we're given free

30:47

will to see if we can

30:50

transcend that. Can we be surrounded

30:52

by darkness and not become the

30:54

very darkness that we're surrounded by?

30:56

Wow. I didn't think we would

30:58

go here. This is so fun.

31:00

I don't think I'd talk about

31:02

this much. So I studied computer

31:04

science and AI and all that.

31:06

I also was one class away

31:08

from a minor in religious studies.

31:10

And the reason is that it

31:12

was the only way I could

31:14

pad my GPA, because how do

31:16

you get a... How do you

31:18

fail a religious studies class? You

31:20

just make up a bunch of

31:22

shit and then you can pass

31:24

it, right? Sorry, no offense, scholars.

31:26

But I learned a lot of

31:28

things I didn't care or believe

31:30

anything about and it opened my

31:32

eyes. But you can read the

31:34

Bhagvadgita, you can read ancient Tibetan

31:36

stuff, you can go to ancient

31:38

Chinese medicine, and you find these

31:40

different stories through different lenses, but

31:42

they all kind of seem like

31:44

the same basic things. Clearly there

31:46

were ancient civilizations here on earth

31:48

before us and to deny that

31:50

you have to really willfully ignore

31:52

a lot of evidence. Graham Hancock's

31:54

been on the show talking about

31:56

that. So I sit with all

31:58

this kind of churning. around in

32:00

there saying we I think there

32:02

are past lives whether they're DNA-based

32:04

or DNA and 10 out of

32:06

something I don't know but I've

32:08

experienced a lot of stuff you're

32:10

saying and yeah including you know are

32:12

you really from around here so let's

32:14

go here what percentage of people on

32:16

earth do you think are not originally from earth

32:18

I go with what I just was shown

32:21

70% 70% of people on earth didn't come

32:23

from here and I think it's a

32:25

question where a lot of people that

32:27

talk about evolution. And I remember listening

32:29

to this, I don't remember if it

32:32

was like on Joe Rogan, someone asked,

32:34

I feel like Mel Gibson, something about

32:36

evolution. He basically was like, I don't

32:38

know why it's not true, but it's

32:40

not true. Okay, so I always call

32:42

this the 3% rule, where with a

32:44

lot of scientific theory, it remains

32:46

hypothetical because there's always this like

32:48

3% or it's like, we mostly

32:51

have it, but I don't know,

32:53

there's this 3% that we can't quite account

32:55

for. I feel that way about

32:57

things like evolution. And I think

32:59

if you go back, so now

33:01

let's go back to the creation

33:03

of Adam. This is where I'm

33:05

going with it. Is it possible

33:08

that? When God breathes life

33:10

and creates atom, that

33:12

breathing life was genetically

33:14

modifying a pre-existing humanoid

33:16

that was here, it's

33:18

possible. There's actually evidence

33:20

in our genes that there was some

33:22

editing going on back there. Yeah,

33:24

so I think genetic modification

33:26

of a being that maybe wasn't quite

33:28

us is highly likely. In my upcoming

33:31

book and heavily meditated, I

33:33

talk about different... technologies

33:36

and techniques to enter altered states of

33:38

experiencing reality. Things like breath work, I

33:40

talk about psychedelics, there's neurofeedback and lucid

33:42

dreaming and all those kinds of things,

33:44

and it feels like a lot of

33:46

people have a lot of interest in

33:49

those. And I'm interested in those because

33:51

they let you go in and edit

33:53

your trauma state so you can stop

33:55

being reactive to stuff that you shouldn't

33:57

be reactive to. But it sounds like they're...

34:00

might be other uses for that. How

34:02

do you use altered states to either

34:04

learn things or to improve where you

34:06

are on that spectrum you describe? I

34:08

have experienced altered states my entire life

34:10

and I do talk about this in

34:12

my book as well. This is where

34:14

all of my knowledge base has come

34:16

from. I have never had a teacher.

34:18

I've never researched this in a book.

34:20

In fact, when you were saying that...

34:23

You are a, you know, you finish

34:25

every book, you start, I was... I

34:27

used to, I don't anymore. Yeah. Well,

34:29

I was that kid that no matter

34:31

what my parents did, they couldn't get

34:33

me to read. Oh, wow. And I

34:35

found it boring and restrictive, and here's

34:37

the the clincher, is my whole life,

34:39

if I want to know the answer

34:41

to something, it's just there. So I

34:44

could go into my tests and I

34:46

could fill out an essay test and

34:48

still get a passing grade. To the

34:50

point where I finally had a teacher

34:52

in my high school career, I think

34:54

I was in 10th grade, they sat

34:56

me down and they were like, listen,

34:58

I can't prove it, but I know

35:00

you're not doing your homework, I know

35:02

you're not reading your book, how are

35:04

you passing my test? Because he prided

35:07

himself on having really hard standards. I've

35:09

been able to do that my whole

35:11

life. And I think as a child,

35:13

right, you can use that in a

35:15

way that's reckless. I'm sure I certainly

35:17

weaponized it and used it not for

35:19

my good. But as I've aged and

35:21

I've also grown my emotional maturity and

35:23

my emotional resilience, now I can use

35:25

that tool selectively and for the right

35:28

reasons, right? I don't use it to

35:30

cut corners now. I use it to

35:32

help people and I use it to...

35:34

grab knowledge from the ethers so that

35:36

we can have it here in this

35:38

physical plane. You know, I've had professors

35:40

and doctors take my work and at

35:42

a certain point, this one particular instance

35:44

stands out. The someone was wearing like

35:46

cashmere sweater and pearls was very uptight

35:48

from MIT and at the end of

35:51

one of my workshop, she pulls me

35:53

off to the side and she's like,

35:55

how do you know all of this?

35:57

Like how long do you, how long

35:59

do you have? And she goes, I

36:01

mean, you could tell she was just

36:03

like shook and she just said, I

36:05

know that all of this is real,

36:07

but there's no way you could have

36:09

learned this from anywhere because no one

36:12

teaches this, this doesn't exist. And then

36:14

she looks at me and goes, are

36:16

you an alien? Are you an alien?

36:18

People have a hard time with that

36:20

sort of idea of exchange of information,

36:22

but I do believe that it is

36:24

something that every single one of us

36:26

has the capacity for. But when we're

36:28

so deeply in our wounded emotional state,

36:30

we're not able to access that information

36:32

freely. So as I've healed more and

36:35

more, now there's just, I can access

36:37

that altered state anytime. I don't need

36:39

to do anything to get there. It's

36:41

just... constant connection. Thank you for talking

36:43

about this, because a lot of people

36:45

will think that you are crazy for

36:47

saying that. There is a just knowing

36:49

thing that is, it's a spiritual state,

36:51

it's written about in multiple lineages, and

36:53

just like you said, when you have

36:56

emotional chaos, you cannot have space for

36:58

intuition and intuitive knowing. And the more

37:00

I've done the healing work and I've

37:02

turned off all my triggers. You just

37:04

have to be still and allow the

37:06

knowledge to come in. You don't have

37:08

to do the mental work. And I've

37:10

put some things in my books. Five

37:12

years later, a study comes out saying

37:14

it. And I'm like, well, I kind

37:16

of intuitive that. Right. And then I

37:19

looked for supporting evidence. Actually, this intuition

37:21

does pass muster. So let's try it.

37:23

It worked. And let's write about it.

37:25

An example. C8MCT oil. The stuff that

37:27

you put in coffee. It works better

37:29

than the other ones. Right? And I

37:31

intuitive that and then I tested it

37:33

and I wrote the reasons and the

37:35

study came out later. And so I

37:37

would just want to say thank you

37:40

for saying, yes, that's possible. And so

37:42

for people who are saying, I don't

37:44

know, I just knew it, we are

37:46

taught not to trust our intuition. In

37:48

fact, most of our emotional stuff as

37:50

a kid is we know something intuitively

37:52

or we feel something like, don't do

37:54

that. And then you get this giant

37:56

emotional suppression of intuition. And the more

37:58

healing you are and sometimes I am,

38:00

stuff happens. Do you know Neil Nathan?

38:03

He was on the show recently. He's

38:05

just an amazing old doctor and healer

38:07

and he wrote a book about this

38:09

saying I have to talk about this

38:11

when I was working in the ER.

38:13

All of a sudden I would look

38:15

at a patient and I would see

38:17

like typed words above them saying what

38:19

was wrong with them and I thought

38:21

I was crazy. And then I started

38:24

talking with colleagues and 20% of them

38:26

had a similar thing where they just

38:28

know. So you walk into that old

38:30

doctor. and they just know and they

38:32

can't tell you why because they didn't

38:34

do it with their brain. They did

38:36

it with something else. What is the

38:38

something else we're using? I would call

38:40

it spiritual technology and I think that's

38:42

one of my biggest frustrations about where

38:44

we are in our world right now

38:47

and I think it is very much

38:49

a byproduct of the strong holds of

38:51

big pharma, what I would call big

38:53

academia. They restrict the research dollars that

38:55

go to I think researching... the right

38:57

things. Because our spiritual technology is, I

38:59

think, mostly misunderstood or unknown, and many

39:01

of us are labeled as crazy or

39:03

quacks for even talking about it. And

39:05

if you look, I don't know if

39:08

you watched or listened to any of

39:10

the telepathy tapes, did you listen to

39:12

any of those? I've heard about them.

39:14

They're on my watch list, but I've

39:16

seen them. I was listening to them

39:18

because my daughter has cerebral palsy and

39:20

she's nonverbal and we've had the ability

39:22

to communicate like this her whole life.

39:24

So we listened to it together and

39:26

it was a bonding experience for us.

39:28

Just watching how

39:31

something like the telepathy

39:33

tapes was received

39:35

by the mainstream, that's

39:37

all we need

39:39

to know about where

39:41

we're still at.

39:43

I mean, I'm grateful,

39:45

Maha, all the

39:47

way. I'm so excited

39:49

that we're at,

39:52

I think, this precipice

39:54

of hopefully watching

39:56

things truly change for

39:58

the better. But

40:00

I still am not

40:02

hearing a lot

40:04

of conversation about truly

40:06

studying our spiritual

40:08

technology. And I think

40:10

the whole world

40:12

of scientific studies in

40:15

academia is very

40:17

corrupted and instead of

40:19

it being something

40:21

that safeguards, I think,

40:23

it gate keeps.

40:25

And there's so much

40:27

more that we

40:29

are capable of as

40:31

human beings that

40:33

is completely unknown at

40:36

this point. I

40:38

think that's where we

40:40

should be putting

40:42

our research dollars, personally.

40:45

When we talked about intuition,

40:47

you naturally acknowledged that self -trust

40:49

has to be present. When

40:51

the message comes forward, you

40:53

have to take action on

40:55

it. Going back

40:57

to that brain pattern spectrum,

40:59

there are certain people, left -side

41:01

spectrum people that are able to

41:03

act on their intuition with

41:05

less friction because they have self

41:07

-trust. So as

41:10

you can imagine, bolstering self -trust

41:12

for anyone listening that has children,

41:14

bolstering self -trust and self -efficacy

41:16

in your children, it's the most

41:18

important thing you can do

41:20

above and beyond anything else. I

41:22

would take a child that

41:24

trusts themselves, that is independent over

41:26

a child that's compliant any

41:28

day the week. A compliant child

41:30

is a right -side spectrum child,

41:32

honestly. So

41:34

when we think about intuition,

41:36

there's so many people

41:38

that conflate instinct and intuition

41:40

together, and I think

41:42

it's really important that people

41:44

understand the distinction. And

41:46

I think you articulated it

41:48

beautifully when you're just

41:50

kind of naturally talking about

41:52

how you're healed and

41:54

then allowed your intuition to

41:56

kind of come forward.

41:58

When we're in our brain

42:00

pattern restricted perspective of

42:02

the world, we're constantly responding

42:04

to the world. emotionally. And when

42:07

we respond emotionally, our feelings are not based in

42:09

objective truth. Our instinct is rooted in survival. It's

42:11

rooted in how I keep myself safe in this

42:13

formula that I know about my world. So it's

42:15

very restrictive. And what will frequently happen is people

42:17

will say, oh, well, intuitively, I just knew it

42:19

wasn't the right thing. Because I think more often

42:21

than not, people try to pass off their instinct

42:23

as intuition and use it to justify why they

42:25

want to keep themselves stuck in their pattern. This

42:27

is a higher order skill and your

42:29

ego at least in my understanding of

42:31

things and the way I teach it

42:34

It will try to give you

42:36

things that feel like intuition

42:38

and that is instinct or

42:40

emotion And it's discernment where you

42:43

can feel the difference between

42:45

the intuitive hit and the

42:47

emotion and the the trigger is The

42:49

intuition comes first and it's

42:51

smaller than whatever comes next.

42:53

And if you just have

42:55

fine-grained awareness to notice that

42:57

and recognize what comes next

42:59

is likely not as real

43:01

as the first thing. What's your

43:04

practice for stepping into noticing

43:06

that first thing? So I teach

43:08

this a little bit differently. So

43:10

I have a framework that we

43:12

call Eli. You can visualize it

43:14

in a triangle. So for most

43:16

of us, we experience some sort

43:18

of stimulus and we naturally respond

43:21

emotionally. In order to access intuition, I

43:23

actually think we need a logical

43:25

pattern interrupt. So that's the L.

43:27

So E is emotion, L is

43:29

logic, I is intuition. So I

43:31

think ultimately where we all want

43:33

to be responding from is intuition.

43:35

Intuition is naturally going to be

43:37

taking in context to nuance. We're

43:39

feeling energy. We're very... To be

43:41

intuitive, you have to be extremely

43:43

present. You cannot be present when

43:45

you're reacting emotionally. So in

43:47

my work, I actually teach people

43:49

how to interrupt their emotional responses

43:51

with a very specific series of

43:53

sequential logical questions that actually give

43:55

you the space to now listen

43:58

to your intuition. How do I do

44:00

it? Basically, you've pushed that part of

44:02

you aside and you notice, oh, I

44:04

already know my brain is gonna go

44:06

to this self-disceptive pattern, it's gonna trick

44:08

me into this and this and this,

44:11

so I already know what thoughts I

44:13

have to combat with Eli questions to

44:15

make room for my intuition to come

44:17

forward and basically be able to step

44:20

to the microphone and be like, hi,

44:22

this is the answer. Let's think about

44:24

it like this. With Eli questions, they

44:26

need to be sequential. and they need

44:28

to force you into a binary answer

44:31

of yes or no. So it is

44:33

not an eli question if you're able

44:35

to answer anything other than yes or

44:37

no. Because we need to back your

44:40

brain pattern into a corner and expose

44:42

the lies that it's telling us. Okay?

44:44

So I like to use the example

44:46

of, have you ever watched Suits? Okay,

44:48

so you know Harvey Specter. Okay. So

44:51

I want everyone to think of their

44:53

brain pattern when it's operating like Harvey

44:55

Specter. Okay? This like charismatic lawyer that's

44:57

willing to play dirty and he always

45:00

gets his man. And even when he's

45:02

being bad, you're still rooting for him.

45:04

Okay? So your brain pattern, what it

45:06

believes to be true about the world,

45:08

it knows all of your secrets, it

45:11

knows all of your negative self-talk and

45:13

in securities. Now make that brain pattern

45:15

Harvey Specter. Is Harvey Specter going to

45:17

use all of those to keep you

45:20

stuck and keep you repeating the same

45:22

loops over and over again? Yeah, and

45:24

you're probably going to root for him.

45:26

That's the saddest part is we actually

45:28

end up rooting for our own self-destruction.

45:31

Yep. And it's heartbreaking to watch. Now,

45:33

have you seen the movie My Cousin

45:35

Vinny? I love that. The two youths.

45:37

Remember the very first public defender that

45:40

they get. Okay. So behind closed doors,

45:42

he seems great. What happens when he

45:44

gets up to opening arguments? Falls down.

45:46

He just started stuttering. Ah, that's all

45:49

he gets out. And they both look

45:51

at each other and like, we're screwed.

45:53

We're definitely getting at the death penalty.

45:55

We're done. When we're thinking about how

45:57

in every moment we're showing up, we

46:00

have Harvey Speck. and then we have

46:02

my cousin Vinny, stuttering guy. We need

46:04

our defense attorney that's actually gonna get

46:06

us out of this pattern to be

46:09

significantly better than stuttering my cousin Vinny.

46:11

To do that, we have to understand

46:13

what arguments Harvey's gonna try to pull

46:15

out and we have to know in

46:17

what order he's gonna try to present

46:20

these arguments because our brain functions on

46:22

systems of language. So your car, I

46:24

mean, maybe your car is electric, gas

46:26

or electric. I drive a Tonka toy

46:29

Jeep that has nothing electric except the

46:31

stereo. Okay, so then this analogy works

46:33

well for you, sir. Your car runs

46:35

on gas lane, right? If it has

46:37

no gas, it doesn't go. Our brain

46:40

functions on systems of language. So everything

46:42

we do, we're scanning your shirt is

46:44

black, your glasses are orange, that is

46:46

red. You look pleased. You look content

46:49

with this episode, right? Our brain is

46:51

generating a language structure. So even the

46:53

example that you shared about the doctor,

46:55

where you just saw like the typewriter

46:58

text over it, that's how our brain

47:00

makes sense of our world. It always

47:02

turns it into language. That means in

47:04

order to rewire, we have to dismantle

47:06

the systems of language that our brain

47:09

is generating to keep us stuck stuck,

47:11

because our brain's not keeping us stuck

47:13

on feelings. We're aware of the feelings

47:15

more than we're aware of the language

47:18

because many of us have tuned it

47:20

out, but we have to actually hack

47:22

the language that our brain is using

47:24

to keep us stuck. Ooh, I love

47:26

this. Okay. This is the core of

47:29

my work, is hacking the language to

47:31

actually free the human. One of the

47:33

things that I've taught my kids and

47:35

that I have stepped into over the

47:38

last 15 or so years. is integrity

47:40

in your word from the four agreements.

47:42

In my external words and in the

47:44

voice in my head, I seek to

47:46

be as 100% truthful as I can

47:49

be. Doesn't matter, don't make mistakes. But

47:51

it's to the point of if someone

47:53

says, can you pick me up at

47:55

the airport? I'm going to say, I

47:58

am not going to pick up at

48:00

the airport. I'm like, I can't make

48:02

it. Because I actually can't. I could

48:04

blow up this podcast, go pick someone

48:07

up at the airport. Right? But you're

48:09

choosing not. Yeah. And I'm like, I'll

48:11

try, because if I, that doesn't mean

48:13

anything. So I really work hard on,

48:15

with my internal. thought space because I

48:18

have to track any bullshit I've told

48:20

myself or anyone else. Is this radical

48:22

truthfulness part of what you're doing or

48:24

is it something else? So this is

48:27

actually quite different. Okay. Because each person

48:29

on this spectrum, they have their own

48:31

specific patterns of self-deception. So the way

48:33

to hack your brain is very different

48:35

than the way to hack somebody else's

48:38

brain. And in reality... In my opinion,

48:40

your brain is already wired more for

48:42

black and white truth. So it's actually

48:44

less challenging for you to be truthful

48:47

than it would for somebody else on

48:49

the spectrum to step into being truthful.

48:51

Because you're lying to yourself less than

48:53

somebody else. So for you to overcome

48:55

that is actually easier for you than

48:58

somebody else on the spectrum. And same,

49:00

same with me. It might be now,

49:02

but where I started out, I was

49:04

kind of raised where... If you wanted

49:07

something to be true, you just pretend

49:09

that like it was. And sometime in

49:11

my mid-20s, I'm like, this is not

49:13

a very functional way to create results.

49:16

And so I had to kind of

49:18

go through and reprogram myself to be

49:20

more reality-based. And then at a certain

49:22

point, I recognize that I'm simultaneously irrational.

49:24

with the realm of emotions and intuition

49:27

and rational and to not judge myself

49:29

for either side. So simultaneously I'm a

49:31

computer meat robot and I'm a spiritual

49:33

being that does all sorts of area

49:36

for crap I don't understand and they

49:38

can both be present simultaneously and I'm

49:40

not going to die. But that was

49:42

a lot of work and I don't

49:44

even know if I'm right, but that's

49:47

the model that makes the most peace

49:49

in me. Typically the Asperger's type of

49:51

presentation. naturally see the world more black

49:53

and white. So think about it from

49:56

first perspective. We all go through an

49:58

emotional addiction cycle that has three parts.

50:00

We all start with fear. Some people

50:02

have fear that already has an assumption

50:04

that shame is going to be attached

50:07

to it, but for the majority of

50:09

us, it's just fear, about 70%. We

50:11

then move into our protective emotion. Splits

50:13

about 50-50. It's a 50-50 shot that

50:16

you've got angers of protective emotion or

50:18

anxiety as a protective emotion. the words

50:20

that people are typically aware of like

50:22

fight, flight, freeze, fawn, flop. These all

50:25

split this way, right? So an anxiety

50:27

response would be the freeze or fawn,

50:29

and then the anger responses would be

50:31

flight or fight. Each one of these

50:33

is going to have a different set

50:36

of behavior components that go with it,

50:38

and if you think about it like...

50:40

what I'm describing with the self-disception pattern,

50:42

you can see how these are going

50:45

to start to chunk out over the

50:47

brain pattern types. So as you're closer

50:49

to the center of the spectrum, you're

50:51

much more likely to have anxiety. As

50:53

you move out to the farther sides

50:56

of the spectrum, you're much more likely

50:58

to have anger as a protective response.

51:00

Most likely you're heading to anxiety and

51:02

you're escalating motion when you've tried and

51:05

no matter what you try to do,

51:07

things turned on you anyways. And if

51:09

you started with anxiety, you're most likely

51:11

trending toward anger as an escalating response.

51:13

So every single one of us is

51:16

going to kind of move through this

51:18

cycle over and over and over again.

51:20

Now if you take that cycle and

51:22

we think about what triggers us into

51:25

our cycle, each one of these brain

51:27

pattern types is going to have a

51:29

different set of triggers. Something that would

51:31

trigger me, might not trigger you, and

51:34

vice versa. If we think about people

51:36

that are on the right side of

51:38

the spectrum, they have very distinct triggers

51:40

from you or I. I don't naturally

51:42

take things personally. Even if somebody's trying

51:45

to hurt my feelings, I'm still dissecting

51:47

and analyzing why it's a them problem.

51:49

Okay? People on the right-hand side, they're

51:51

not going to do that. If I

51:54

tell a joke that isn't about them,

51:56

their brain is much more... likely to

51:58

make it about them. Well, they're telling

52:00

me that joke because it's really about

52:02

me. All the people on the left,

52:05

we're naturally thinking that it's probably everybody

52:07

else's issue and not us problem. If

52:09

you look on the right-hand side, the

52:11

opposite is true. People think that everything's

52:14

about them when really it's probably about

52:16

something external in the environment. Formulating Eli

52:18

questions really becomes a science of timing

52:20

the right question. and anticipating where the

52:22

person's brain is going to go next

52:25

in the line of questioning. So before

52:27

the brain can give you a pushback,

52:29

you've already addressed it. We've bolstered the

52:31

voice, we've bolstered how the defense attorney

52:34

actually shows up because we know how

52:36

to go toto-to-to with the prosecutor now.

52:38

And when we do this effectively, in

52:40

most client cases for any given issue,

52:43

I'd give them maybe a line of

52:45

eight to ten questions. We encourage clients

52:47

that as soon as you feel a

52:49

physical shift, you stop with questions. So,

52:51

for example, a person might get to

52:54

number four, and they start laughing at

52:56

themselves, and they're like, huh, okay, funny.

52:58

I can't believe I would have actually

53:00

done that a week ago. Then maybe

53:03

the next time it happens, they get

53:05

to question two. They laugh. So for

53:07

some people, it's not laughing. For some

53:09

people, it's that maybe their heart rate

53:11

was elevated, and now they realize their

53:14

heart rates coming back down. We ask

53:16

the client to disengage from the questions.

53:18

Don't keep reading for good measure, because

53:20

we want to get a feel. What

53:23

was the password for your brain? What

53:25

phrase or keywords actually made your brain

53:27

let go and go, okay, you got

53:29

me, you win, this is ridiculous, we're

53:31

not going to do this. And little

53:34

by little, instead of a client having

53:36

to white knuckle and willpower, which in

53:38

my opinion does not work at all,

53:40

we're walking the brain into a trap

53:43

where the brain actually sees the air.

53:45

disengages and actually shows you the new

53:47

choice. So it's allowing you to choose

53:49

without you having to force it, which

53:52

is just not effective in its painstaking.

53:54

So you've created a structured way to

53:56

hack the ego. I have, yes. That

53:58

is bad ass. Thank you. Wow, super

54:00

impressive. I've spent a lot of time

54:03

with electrodes on my head, watching what

54:05

my brain and my body does physiologically

54:07

with ego responses and going in and

54:09

pushing buttons and done it with a

54:12

lot of clients. And over the course

54:14

of that and other things, you know,

54:16

breathwork and... you know, shamanic training and

54:18

all the weird stuff that I've done.

54:20

The voice on my head went away.

54:23

I used to have like the meanest

54:25

little asshole in there. The shame and

54:27

the judgment and the fear and you

54:29

can't do it and you're alone and

54:32

all the core trauma stuff. And it

54:34

just shut up and it's very rare

54:36

for me to have those voices in

54:38

my head. And I've asked different guests

54:40

this. Do you have voices in your

54:43

head? Almost never anymore, but I absolutely

54:45

used to. And that's something that we

54:47

would expect to go down significantly. Left

54:49

side spectrum, less negative self-talk and just

54:52

less self-talk in general, right-side spectrum patterns,

54:54

significantly more intrusive thoughts and negative self-talk.

54:56

Interesting. Dr. Daniel Ammon, who's a good

54:58

friend. I'm on his board of directors,

55:01

calls them ants automatic negative thoughts. And

55:03

you're saying people who are more on

55:05

that left kind of logical side of

55:07

thing. So to me, that would be

55:09

something separate. Because automatic negative thoughts, the

55:12

subject matter would just be different. So

55:14

left side spectrum, our automatic negative thoughts

55:16

would be about something external or what's

55:18

going to happen anticipation. The right side

55:21

spectrum patterns are very naturally oriented toward

55:23

thinking about self. So if you're on

55:25

one side, you can say it's the

55:27

I am not enough side, the other

55:29

side is going to be like the

55:32

system is against me. Maybe this is

55:34

a good place to kind of wrap

55:36

it up. So in the beginning, we

55:38

talked about how that very first core

55:41

lesson that you have to learn. I'm

55:43

a human being and I'm a right

55:45

to exist. After that, we need to

55:47

learn that we feel safe in our

55:49

environment. That means understanding the rules, understanding

55:52

how to keep yourself safe and understand

55:54

how to abide by the rules. And

55:56

as you can imagine, to do that,

55:58

you'd have to have parents that follow

56:01

rules, which that doesn't happen. very frequently,

56:03

okay? So if your parents are erratic

56:05

or do one thing and then say

56:07

another or they're not on the same

56:10

page, it doesn't take much for a

56:12

child to perceive that they are not

56:14

safe. Because if there is any sort

56:16

of break in the structure and cadence

56:18

and repetition of their world where they

56:21

don't know how to operate and they

56:23

stop trusting their parents, they get stuck

56:25

there. So that very first wound creates

56:27

what I call a chaos pattern. Then

56:30

if you perceive safety and you ultimately

56:32

trust your parents and you trust that

56:34

they are going to follow through on

56:36

what they say, and you actually look

56:38

to them as an authority, or you

56:41

at least trust that they have your

56:43

best interests at heart, then you actually

56:45

try to seek love. Who am I

56:47

and do you like me for who

56:50

I am? That actually is what gets

56:52

you stuck in the right side spectrum

56:54

patterns, which... Of all of the things

56:56

that I found interesting over the last

56:58

11 years of doing the work that

57:01

I have is the more stable and

57:03

loving your household is, actually the worst

57:05

outcome in terms of your brain pattern

57:07

type. That's dark. You have like loving

57:10

and kind parents and then you're going

57:12

to be all externally validated and then

57:14

your brain pattern won't work very well.

57:16

So there are so many ways to

57:19

fix this though and this is certainly

57:21

something that we address in break method.

57:23

I'm not telling people go get divorced.

57:25

If you can be in a stable

57:27

loving marriage, please do that. But there's

57:30

a caveat. Your kids still have to

57:32

experience enough. in their life for them

57:34

to build emotional resilience. They can't have

57:36

life handed them on a silver platter.

57:39

There have to be rules and structures.

57:41

They have to bump into those structures.

57:43

And they have to fight you on

57:45

those structures. Remember how I said I

57:47

would take a kid that has self-efficacy

57:50

and pushes back over a compliant kid

57:52

any day. My husband and I have

57:54

a wonderful marriage. We have the best

57:56

house ever. It pains me to leave

57:59

every time I have to leave to

58:01

travel for work because I just love

58:03

being home so much I love my

58:05

family. I know what inputs I have

58:07

to give my kids to make sure

58:10

that they don't become self-centered and think

58:12

that everyone is thinking about them. So

58:14

there are certain things that you can

58:16

do in your environment to provide that

58:19

stable loving security while also allowing your

58:21

kids to struggle. I told the story

58:23

once and I could see some moms

58:25

judging me like you did what? We

58:28

miss opportunities at these young ages. So

58:30

if someone's listening that has kids that

58:32

are two, three, four, prime ages, but

58:34

why the timer kid is five, their

58:36

brain pattern is wired. That's it. You

58:39

can do a lot if you're listening

58:41

to this now to give them different

58:43

inputs to get them back into the

58:45

middle, but your kids brain pattern is

58:48

hardwired by five. I like this example

58:50

of when my daughter Harley was about

58:52

one and a half two, was telling

58:54

you that I had two back to

58:56

back, so we have Irish twins, and

58:59

when there's lots of kids running around

59:01

and then my daughter is special needs,

59:03

there's just a lot going on. You

59:05

can't give your soul focus to one

59:08

child, right? So I notice from afar

59:10

that my daughter has kind of gotten

59:12

up on top of this play kitchen,

59:14

a play kitchen, and she's up. pretty

59:16

high and I'm watching her go up

59:19

not thinking anything of it. Okay. So

59:21

a lot of parents, if they see

59:23

their kid kind of up high on

59:25

a kitchen place that when they've like

59:28

just started walking really, they might be

59:30

like, oh my God, right? They want

59:32

to race over. They want to get

59:34

their kid down. I'm watching her from

59:37

afar thinking, okay, she might need a

59:39

little bit of my verbal queuing to

59:41

navigate herself back down. but I'm not

59:43

gonna run over to her and save

59:45

her. So lo and behold, she looks

59:48

over at me when she realizes like,

59:50

shit, I can't get down. And I

59:52

say, Harley, are you a little scared

59:54

right now? And she's like, yeah. And

59:57

she's like, Mommy, help me. And I

59:59

was like, nope, just wear your feet.

1:00:01

Look at your feet. She looks at

1:00:03

her feet. I'm like, where's the next

1:00:05

best step? And she's freaking out still

1:00:08

reaching out still reaching out for me.

1:00:10

I was like you. I was like

1:00:12

you. I was like you got to

1:00:14

reaching out still reaching out still reaching

1:00:17

out. I was like you. I was

1:00:19

like, I was like, I was like,

1:00:21

I was like, I was like, I

1:00:23

was like, I like, I like, I

1:00:25

like, I like, I like, If we

1:00:28

can calmly support our child in being

1:00:30

strategic and realizing, oh, I don't need

1:00:32

mommy to come save me, I can

1:00:34

get myself down from this kitchen, I

1:00:37

got myself up here, we've actually... Embrace

1:00:39

an opportunity to help our child build

1:00:41

self-efficacy and realize I can't trust everyone

1:00:43

to come rescue me I can rescue

1:00:46

myself. I can do this So then

1:00:48

you've blended these two together We've got

1:00:50

this loving stable supportive householder people are

1:00:52

happy. There's music playing But you know

1:00:54

that mommy or daddy's not just gonna

1:00:57

come rescue you if you get a

1:00:59

bad grade on something. They're not just

1:01:01

gonna be like oh everybody is the

1:01:03

winter honey. If we think about where

1:01:06

we've gotten to as a culture we've

1:01:08

gotten here because I think of a

1:01:10

radical shift from us being raised by

1:01:12

the neighborhood and parents being like don't

1:01:14

come in until the sun goes down

1:01:17

fend for yourselves like food I don't

1:01:19

know figured out at someone else's house.

1:01:21

We went from that to overly coddling

1:01:23

attachment parenting where you don't ever separate

1:01:26

from your child. I have worked significantly

1:01:28

with teen communities where homeschooling and attachment

1:01:30

parenting styles are prevalent. That is a

1:01:32

really hard brain pattern to overcome as

1:01:34

an adult. And I know that's not

1:01:37

the thing people really want here, but

1:01:39

it can be hard. In the last

1:01:41

five years, a lot of people have

1:01:43

said, we're doing this to you for

1:01:46

your own safety, which kind of pisses

1:01:48

me off. And the new coffee is

1:01:50

called Danger Coffee. I'm not trying to

1:01:52

sell it. It's just the logo. Or

1:01:55

the reason behind it is, well, who

1:01:57

knows what you might do if you

1:01:59

choose danger. And so for me, teaching

1:02:01

my kids to say, yeah, that's scary.

1:02:03

And I'm like, man, if they fall,

1:02:06

that's really going to hurt. I'm like,

1:02:08

and gravity is a good teacher, and

1:02:10

they're made out of rubber. And if

1:02:12

it's really dangerous, I'm going to tell

1:02:15

them. And so just allowing kids to

1:02:17

experience pain, not damage, and not extreme

1:02:19

trauma, but just, wow, if you do

1:02:21

that, it hurts. That's how you're going

1:02:23

to walk, because you keep falling over,

1:02:26

and it's not that pleasant. has been

1:02:28

a part of parenting. The separation is

1:02:30

key though too, because like the pain

1:02:32

risk danger, that's one set of inputs,

1:02:35

but you need your children to know

1:02:37

how to be separate of you and

1:02:39

to navigate what it feels like to

1:02:41

not be able to control proximity or

1:02:43

closeness. That's one of the other factors

1:02:46

that correlates is when a child is

1:02:48

able to dictate through holding emotionally hostage

1:02:50

how the parent manages distance with them.

1:02:52

There's a brain pattern for that as

1:02:55

an adult and it's not a pretty

1:02:57

one. One of the tricks that that

1:02:59

I used is when they were about

1:03:01

two to three. They have this idea

1:03:04

like they want to run away like

1:03:06

at a mall or a farmer's market

1:03:08

or something. Like they want to go

1:03:10

far enough until they feel uncertain and

1:03:12

they look right. And I'm like, you

1:03:15

can go, I'll still be here, you

1:03:17

can come back, whatever. Like it's fine,

1:03:19

I'm watching them. So then they start

1:03:21

with their own. autonomy deciding that it's

1:03:24

safe to go and safe to come

1:03:26

back versus, oh no, you're going to

1:03:28

get lost. And sometimes I would hide

1:03:30

from them when they would turn around

1:03:32

just to see. Oh, see? You give

1:03:35

your kids all the right inputs. And

1:03:37

so I want you to like judge

1:03:39

me for what I'm doing wrong so

1:03:41

we can make this a learning moment.

1:03:44

That was one thing. The other thing

1:03:46

is, whenever I'm teaching my kids, even

1:03:48

to this day, I always throw in

1:03:50

a little bit of bullshit. to see

1:03:52

if they can sniff it out. Ooh,

1:03:55

I like that. Right, and it's so

1:03:57

fun because I think I'm doing my

1:03:59

best to make them not programmable, but

1:04:01

I'll tell them, well, here's all gravity.

1:04:04

works and there's this and there's that

1:04:06

and I'll throw in just one little

1:04:08

thing it doesn't make sense and when

1:04:10

they're five it's so cute because it's

1:04:13

obvious but now they're just like it's

1:04:15

very hard to get anything past them

1:04:17

is this am I built so yeah

1:04:19

you're distrust or is this no I

1:04:21

think I think you're doing it exactly

1:04:24

right so when you end up on

1:04:26

the right side of the spectrum you

1:04:28

are lacking discernment because as soon as

1:04:30

you perceive hierarchy you're willing to believe

1:04:33

what somebody tells you. And it's essentially

1:04:35

built off of the pattern of trusting

1:04:37

my parents. So if my parents wouldn't

1:04:39

lie to me, then you wouldn't lie

1:04:41

to me either. So unfortunately, yourself trust

1:04:44

goes down, but you look to others

1:04:46

as the source of information. So then

1:04:48

you can be easily taken advantage of

1:04:50

or manipulated. So this is something that

1:04:53

I think is actually brilliant, because ultimately

1:04:55

you want your kids to not trust

1:04:57

everybody. I think trying to get, like

1:04:59

that's where I was going with the

1:05:01

compliance thing. Just kind of beating into

1:05:04

your children that you always respect adults

1:05:06

and you know you don't ever push

1:05:08

back politeness is always the most important.

1:05:10

That's bullshit. That's gonna cause a problem

1:05:13

when that child gets older and they

1:05:15

become an adult. Kids need to be

1:05:17

able to push back and say that

1:05:19

doesn't sound right. Like that doesn't sound

1:05:22

like what my mommy said. As long

1:05:24

as they're expressing objection respectfully. I think

1:05:26

kids should be taught to object frequently.

1:05:28

I love that and it's frustrating as

1:05:30

a parent but I'd rather have kids

1:05:33

who object because they thought about it

1:05:35

than ones who just say, yes sir,

1:05:37

because that's boring. One of the largest

1:05:39

inputs that formulates belief are gaps in

1:05:42

knowledge. So if the kids like, but

1:05:44

why, but why, but why, and finally

1:05:46

you're like, bro, I don't care, I

1:05:48

don't know, go figure it out. They're

1:05:50

going to just insert possibly some sort

1:05:53

of false narrative. and then their brain

1:05:55

will then act as if that's true

1:05:57

forever. And think about how many big

1:05:59

picture questions like, Mommy, what happens when

1:06:02

you die? That a parent's just like,

1:06:04

I don't want to... touch us with

1:06:06

a 10-foot hole, you're four. So they

1:06:08

give some sort of version or they

1:06:10

try to tiptoe around it. Age appropriate

1:06:13

truth, I believe, is one of the

1:06:15

most important inputs we can give our

1:06:17

children. So figuring out where are you

1:06:19

intellectually and like what is the most

1:06:22

I can give you that your brain

1:06:24

can grab on to without it being

1:06:26

destructive so that you can keep asking

1:06:28

questions until you feel settled because the

1:06:31

brain. is not going to stop until

1:06:33

it feels settled. So just because you

1:06:35

shut down the question doesn't mean the

1:06:37

child's brain is stopping. That is profound.

1:06:39

And it's funny how learning about parenting

1:06:42

with the kids are not highlights how

1:06:44

we got parented, which highlights where our

1:06:46

traumas and our patterns come from. All

1:06:48

the parenting lectures that I have at

1:06:51

the end of my program, I encourage

1:06:53

people. Even if you don't have kids

1:06:55

and you are vehemently against having kids,

1:06:57

you still need to watch these lectures.

1:06:59

And time and time again, people are

1:07:02

like, that would actually blew my mind,

1:07:04

because you're exactly right. You've designed a

1:07:06

system to help people hack their own

1:07:08

egoic responses or trauma responses. Is it

1:07:11

a good idea to work with AI

1:07:13

to help me manage my ego? I

1:07:15

mean, I could upload the eli things

1:07:17

or maybe you've already done this from

1:07:19

your work, and I could... Maybe have

1:07:22

any eye system watch what I'm doing

1:07:24

and then tell me your odds of

1:07:26

self-deception right now are at 76% so

1:07:28

you know ask yourself these three questions

1:07:31

in order. So we've actually already built

1:07:33

this. Yeah, okay. By the way, you

1:07:35

did not tell me to see that.

1:07:37

So tell me about this, where do

1:07:40

I get it? So we've built this

1:07:42

and this is one of the things

1:07:44

that's launching for us in November and

1:07:46

it's actually paired with wearable technology that

1:07:48

will actually show you. I really think

1:07:51

it's going to be a totally innovative.

1:07:53

I think emotional hacking is the next

1:07:55

frontier of biohacking personally. Oh my gosh.

1:07:57

So I was a CTO and co-founder

1:08:00

of the first. whoop and all that

1:08:02

does today. And my goal for that

1:08:04

was to be able to track my

1:08:06

emotional variability and then correlate it with

1:08:08

things during the day. So, oh my

1:08:11

gosh. So that's what we're doing. And

1:08:13

so the whole system that I've developed,

1:08:15

it takes between four and six months

1:08:17

to go through it. I've had the

1:08:20

people that are like, you know, really

1:08:22

go getters go through it in about

1:08:24

12 weeks, but ultimately, going through it

1:08:26

too fast. I think. doesn't give you

1:08:28

the time to let certain things marinate

1:08:31

and really take root. So I think

1:08:33

speed is not necessarily the thing somebody

1:08:35

wants to go for. But we've actually

1:08:37

translated all these things into an interface

1:08:40

that works with a wearable tech that

1:08:42

we've been developing that does. track a

1:08:44

variety of other markers that are not

1:08:46

being tracked currently. I will talk to

1:08:49

you about some of those things not

1:08:51

on this podcast. Do you come back

1:08:53

on in November and talk about this?

1:08:55

Yes, absolutely. And I will give you

1:08:57

an advanced version to try. I'm pretty

1:09:00

stoked on this. So what will happen

1:09:02

and here I'll say this. I think

1:09:04

AI has the potential to be antagonistic

1:09:06

completely to our spiritual intelligence. So I'll

1:09:09

just say that. 100% I think ultimately

1:09:11

if we look at the spiritual battle

1:09:13

that we face, this is a battle

1:09:15

of organic spiritual intelligence versus artificial intelligence.

1:09:17

Now, having said that, it exists. It's

1:09:20

very expansive. There are a lot of

1:09:22

ways to interface with it that are

1:09:24

ultimately of benefit. One of the things

1:09:26

that I have been acutely aware of

1:09:29

in developing my work is that the

1:09:31

core of my brain pattern mapping work

1:09:33

cannot actually get into an open source

1:09:35

platform because what I have developed actually

1:09:37

could teach AI how to pretend to

1:09:40

be human to such a distinct level

1:09:42

that we would never know. So that

1:09:44

is something that I've taken extraordinary measures

1:09:46

to protect. Thank you for doing that.

1:09:49

And yeah, there are things that I

1:09:51

also do with neuroscience that I am

1:09:53

not putting in the public domain because

1:09:55

I'm too dangerous. Too dangerous, right? allowing

1:09:58

this information to get into some sort

1:10:00

of open source format. If you keep

1:10:02

it in a closed system and you

1:10:04

use something like an LLM, so you're

1:10:06

able to basically feed it the knowledge

1:10:09

that we have in our program, what

1:10:11

you're able to do is we've created

1:10:13

a system where as you move through

1:10:15

the program and it starts to understand

1:10:18

you, it understands your triggers, where they're

1:10:20

experienced in your body, what your biometric

1:10:22

markers are that correlate to each one

1:10:24

of those emotions or each one of

1:10:26

those triggers. It knows what you like

1:10:29

questions to ask you, and it

1:10:31

learns more and more about

1:10:33

you. My favorite part about

1:10:35

this technology is when you're

1:10:37

done and you're rewired, many

1:10:39

of us eventually become stagnant and

1:10:41

we were like looking for a

1:10:43

new edge. The new edge is what we call

1:10:46

challenge mode. You could be out in your life

1:10:48

and you're like, you know what, I just really

1:10:50

feel like I want to mix it up in

1:10:52

my relationships. I'm just feeling a little bit stagnant.

1:10:54

It'll actually tell you what to do like a

1:10:57

scavenger hunt. So everything that we do is called

1:10:59

field work. So it has that challenge aspect where

1:11:01

you then go out into your world, you're interfacing

1:11:03

with it, and it's actually showing you in real

1:11:05

time how you're responding to your environment. And one

1:11:08

of my favorite things. I promise that this will

1:11:10

be the last thing I say. One of my

1:11:12

favorite things about this is that it doesn't

1:11:14

tell you when you're triggered. And I

1:11:17

think this is really important because a

1:11:19

lot of devices, it's like, then you believe

1:11:21

it and then it becomes more solidified.

1:11:23

So what we do is it tracks

1:11:25

passively. So let's say you realize like,

1:11:27

oh shit, I'm deep in it, I

1:11:29

didn't realize where I slipped off. You

1:11:31

can go back and it'll actually show

1:11:33

you when you slipped off the edge.

1:11:35

and then you can actually track what

1:11:37

was happening at that time. So instead

1:11:39

of it prompting you, you have to

1:11:41

become aware and go back and look

1:11:43

to see when it happened. So then

1:11:45

as you're resolving your triggers, it'll then

1:11:47

give you feedback. Like congratulations Dave, you

1:11:50

resolved this, you know, two minutes faster

1:11:52

than you did last time. Busy, thank you

1:11:54

for showing me that my brain is a

1:11:56

filthy liar. I kind of already knew that,

1:11:58

but your frameworks and your way. It's so

1:12:00

cool. Thanks for all the hard

1:12:02

work you've done. Thank you so much.

1:12:05

I appreciate it. Guys, you should

1:12:07

definitely read the new book because there's

1:12:09

something to be learned here for all

1:12:11

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