0:00

Healthy could be the new sick. Blood

0:02

levels could be made normal and yet

0:04

not feel well. So many people are

0:06

having that exact experience because it's not

0:08

so simple. How does someone know the

0:10

recipe that made them sick? Because if

0:12

you know that, maybe you're going to

0:14

do it. So my saying is, if

0:17

we fix the cell, we get well.

0:19

A lot of people today are trying

0:21

to solve their gut problem when they're

0:23

in a mold problem, or they have

0:25

an upstream heavy metal issue. When your

0:27

cells make energy, in the mitochondria That

0:29

means all the bacteria that are

0:31

on our hands that protect us.

0:33

If it wasn't there, we'd be

0:36

dead. Detox is about fixing what's

0:38

broken there. And it's in the

0:40

cell, not the liver, not the

0:42

kidney. How do you go about

0:44

fixing the cell? I have my

0:46

five hours, which is a roadmap

0:48

to do this. You're listening to

0:50

the human upgrade with Dave Asbury.

0:54

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See you there. So Dr. Dan Pompa.

1:18

You've said that a lot of

1:20

disease, a lot of aging is damage

1:22

at the cellular level. And I think

1:24

we have some agreement on that.

1:26

Is Healthy the New Sick? Is Healthy

1:28

the New Sick? Well, when you look

1:30

at the statistics in this country, you

1:33

might say that, actually. I've never heard

1:35

it put that way, but it's actually

1:37

a brilliant statement because... Healthy could be

1:39

the new sick and in here especially

1:42

because it becomes so normal to them

1:44

a lower level of living Yeah, it's

1:46

kind of like someone dimming the lights

1:48

in the outside the room after a

1:51

while You don't even know it's dim

1:53

until they actually turn it up You're

1:55

like I'm healthy. Yeah, you're not no,

1:57

you're not. No, it's true. I was

2:00

in a car conversation just recently. I

2:02

was in a friend of mine's waiting

2:04

room and it was three women were

2:06

having a conversation and it was about

2:09

it was about their health issues but

2:11

they kept saying but that's normal right

2:13

it's like well you know my thyroid

2:15

I you know I have thyroid you

2:17

know issues done it on my hair's

2:20

thing but that's all normal and I

2:22

was like thinking and I actually didn't

2:24

go into the conversation because I knew

2:26

it would just be too much. And

2:29

if you look at what normal actually

2:31

means, it means average and just go

2:33

to the airport and look around and

2:35

that's normal. So if what you are

2:38

is normal, you're probably not in very

2:40

good shape because most people are sick

2:42

today. So you should be so far

2:44

from normal. Just to be healthy. Even

2:46

blood work. You look at blood work

2:49

and you know these normals that we

2:51

call them are really not normal are

2:53

they? They're based on abnormal humans in

2:55

a abnormal society. What is the normal

2:58

level of testosterone for a 35 year

3:00

old guy? You know my answer is

3:02

going to be a little different than

3:04

probably what you're looking for because we

3:06

look at blood levels of hormones. And

3:09

I always say, you know, if it

3:11

were only that simple, meaning that how

3:13

your hormones interact with your cell, get

3:15

into yourself, so you feel well, is

3:18

really different than people think, meaning hormone

3:20

sensitivity, it rules. So therefore, you could

3:22

have someone with a lower blood level

3:24

and... Be absolutely healthy as we're putting

3:27

quotes around it and feel amazing and

3:29

it's be lean and have all kinds

3:31

of energy Because their very their cells

3:33

are very sensitive to the hormones or

3:35

people could be forcing the hormones very

3:38

high and Their cells not be very

3:40

sensitive to the hormones because of something

3:42

called cellular inflammation to the receptor itself.

3:44

So it's hard to look at blood

3:47

levels and put healthy on them. That's

3:49

profound. You're 100% right. And the first

3:51

thing is people are how much testosterone,

3:53

like how much is free, or how

3:55

much is available? See, it's not easy.

3:58

Yeah, and we can measure how much

4:00

is free. And Randy Galp Amazon, I

4:02

said, you know, above 20, and I

4:04

would generally agree. And some people do

4:07

not feel good at 20 because, as

4:09

you're saying, their cells can't use it.

4:11

So then you say, well, what's the

4:13

right level for longevity? And then how

4:16

are you feeling? And maybe we need

4:18

to crank it up to 24. So

4:20

you could feel it. Yeah, you know,

4:22

look at thyroid, right? We have this

4:24

explosion of thyroid cases in the last

4:27

even 10 years. If you look at

4:29

20, it's even worse, right? Well, look,

4:31

you know, people... I let me reference

4:33

myself there was a time where I

4:36

said I know I have a thyroid

4:38

this is when I was sick this

4:40

is back in 1999 2000 so a

4:42

long time ago but my hair was

4:44

thinning right I didn't know what was

4:47

wrong with myself I had mysterious illness

4:49

couldn't figure it out but one thing

4:51

I did know is I had a

4:53

thyroid issue I had all the symptoms

4:56

right I mean you know because you

4:58

were a doctor back then yeah and

5:00

I you know I knew it was

5:02

going but I went and got a

5:04

blood test this particular day I ran

5:07

$5,000 worth of test, trying to figure

5:09

out what was wrong, okay? And I

5:11

know the number, it was right around

5:13

that number, because I didn't have insurance

5:16

to pay for it, so you tend

5:18

to remember things like that. I spend

5:20

similar amounts in a similar year, it

5:22

was really expensive, in a similar year,

5:25

it was, but not, no doubt, it

5:27

was back then, but I ran a

5:29

lot of things, but it was a

5:31

depressing day because he came back in

5:33

his exact words. what I'm up against

5:36

now because I've just spent you know

5:38

two years looking and finding nothing but

5:40

anyways my thyroid numbers came back normal

5:42

okay I had every thyroid symptom right

5:45

so So what I didn't know is

5:47

again, you know, my thyroid hormone wasn't

5:49

getting its message or itself in the

5:51

cell. So therefore, because I had so

5:53

much cellular inflammation. Thyroid resistance. Yeah, absolutely.

5:56

Just like insulin resistance. Great example. So

5:58

eventually, I mean, maybe five years it

6:00

would have went off, maybe ten years

6:02

I would have went and finally they

6:05

would have said, oh, you know, your

6:07

number, your TSS is off, your T3,

6:09

you know, is low. And then great,

6:11

here, take this. I would have taken

6:14

the hormone. Maybe I would have felt

6:16

better for a period of time. I

6:18

would have definitely went back in two,

6:20

three months and they would say, oh

6:22

look, your levels are better. But what

6:25

do people say? Yeah, but I don't

6:27

feel better. Right, meaning my hair is

6:29

still thin, my skin is dry, I'm

6:31

constipated, so I still have no energy,

6:34

I can't lose this belly fat or

6:36

whatever it is, right? The point is,

6:38

is that, you know, that's the example

6:40

that we're talking about, is blood levels

6:42

can be made normal and yet not

6:45

feel well in so many people. are

6:47

having that exact experience because it's not

6:49

so simple as looking at blood levels.

6:51

And I'm not throwing the baby out

6:54

with the bathwater. I mean, you know,

6:56

if someone comes back and they have

6:58

a testosterone level of 100, I too

7:00

would say probably an indication your body's

7:03

struggling a bit. But if they walked

7:05

in just with plates of muscle and

7:07

complaining of excess libido in their test

7:09

cell stones 100, you'd probably say good

7:11

on you, right? Yeah. It's not going

7:14

to happen, but probably not. It's funny,

7:16

around that same year, probably a couple

7:18

years before it, I got my results

7:20

back from a longevity doctor in the

7:23

Bay Area, and I don't think he's

7:25

still practicing, Dr. Miller. And he said,

7:27

Dave, your thyroid is almost undetectable, and

7:29

your testosterone is lower than your mom.

7:31

How do you know my mother? I

7:34

sent my parents to him because he

7:36

was a longevity doctor and I'm like,

7:38

maybe he can fix me because I'm

7:40

fat and tired all the time, my

7:43

eyebrows are falling out, all this stuff,

7:45

right? And I remember the first time

7:47

I took thyroid hormone, it was like,

7:49

oh my God, my old body, I

7:51

think now when I... When I apply

7:54

effort, results happen. Before I get to

7:56

apply effort, nothing would happen. That's the

7:58

difference. Your cellular health is better now.

8:00

You know, look, receptors to every hormone

8:03

reside on ourselves, right? People are listening,

8:05

so I literally have my fist with

8:07

a hand up and my fingers going

8:09

through it. You know, hormones have to

8:12

dock to those receptors. No different than

8:14

your cell phone needs a tower to

8:16

communicate. Otherwise, your cell phone is useless.

8:18

Right, and what you just said, when

8:20

you were going through your health challenges,

8:23

you know, we both went through stuff,

8:25

right? Nothing worked. because your cells were

8:27

inflamed blocking your hormone receptors. Oh, you

8:29

can't even get the good things in.

8:32

Oh, and also, toxins are building up

8:34

in your cell, right, which is not

8:36

triggering your bad genes, right? It's like,

8:38

and this is most of America, by

8:40

the way, toxic cells, right? It's like

8:43

hormones can't get in, and toxins can't

8:45

get out. You know, this is the

8:47

problem, right, right there. 20 years of

8:49

teaching this to doctors with great frustration

8:52

sometimes. I think you're making a difference

8:54

though. I appreciate that. And likewise, I'm

8:56

honored to be here. And by the

8:58

way, I really. Not as many people

9:01

give you credit as credit is due.

9:03

Meaning you are the father of biohacking.

9:05

You really are. And I say that

9:07

because I've been doing this a long

9:09

time. I've been ripped off, copied, and

9:12

not given credit. So number one, I

9:14

know what it feels like, but I

9:16

learned to give credit where credits do.

9:18

You are. I remember years ago, I

9:21

could tell you where I was. When

9:23

someone either said, watch this, you'll resonate

9:25

with it. And I watched a video,

9:27

I texteded the person back, said, this

9:29

guy smart. And he knows what he's

9:32

talking about. And anyways, but that was

9:34

my gosh, I don't even know when

9:36

that was, but I was in Tahoe.

9:38

I was staying at this cool hotel

9:41

in Tahoe. Actually, it was Carson's right

9:43

outside of Tahoe, but you deserve credit,

9:45

man. Yeah. Wow. Well, thank you. Yeah,

9:47

no. I really did start the biohacking

9:50

movement. Yeah, consciously to make longevity medicine,

9:52

functional medicine, and some of this other

9:54

neuroscience and things just to make it

9:56

accessible. So people would want to do

9:58

it. If someone had told me about

10:01

bio hacking when I was 19, I

10:03

would have suffered a lot less than

10:05

save $2 million. It would have been

10:07

worth it. Yeah, right? I mean, isn't

10:10

it true? Because I spent it, man.

10:12

We re-moraged our home. You know, just

10:14

to get it well. That's why I

10:16

don't have a lot of patients for

10:18

people when they say people when they

10:21

say. How much is it? Or I

10:23

can't afford it? Or can you give

10:25

me a guarantee? Because I'm like, oh,

10:27

you know, I wish I had all

10:30

those things, right? I didn't. And I

10:32

spent it. And if I thought you

10:34

had the answer, you know, I'm not,

10:36

I'm doing it, I'll find it. I

10:39

was briefly married in my 20s. And

10:41

I just realized I need to set

10:43

aside 20% of my income just to

10:45

function to figure out what's wrong with

10:47

my body. Keep my energy where it

10:50

where it is. Right and that was

10:52

one of the relationship stresses like why

10:54

do you spend so much money on

10:56

you know medical tests like because I'm

10:59

fat and because I'm tired because I

11:01

can't think and because I keep getting

11:03

sick and all these things because my

11:05

body hurts all the time you know

11:07

I had that I think in that

11:10

piece that I saw you told a

11:12

bit of your story I'm not going

11:14

to do this but I'd love to

11:16

reverse this and be like tell your

11:19

story to me again I would love

11:21

like when did all that start but

11:23

just quickly when did your problem when

11:25

did your illness to your illness to

11:27

start You know, they started as a

11:30

child. I grew up in a basement

11:32

with toxic mold. Oh, did it? I

11:34

hate mine. Immolds evil. My family owns

11:36

a gold mine. I might have a

11:39

little bit of mercury exposure from that.

11:41

It was a play in old mines.

11:43

Absolutely, you did. And then a vampire

11:45

bat bit me when I was 10.

11:48

I woke up with it feeding on

11:50

my neck. And now I understand. I

11:52

almost certainly got Bartella from it. And

11:54

I also had, you know, chronic strep

11:56

throat throat from the molds, which gives

11:59

you. I also had Asperger's in ADHD

12:01

and ODD. Well that makes you brilliant.

12:03

Okay, so take that off the table.

12:05

But you know, I have to say

12:08

what you just said is part of

12:10

what I've been teaching for 20 years

12:12

is always look for the perfect storm.

12:14

Yeah. Meaning it's never one thing. Never.

12:16

Your body will adapt to adapt, right?

12:19

You know, but it's when that other

12:21

storm, you know, three storms come together

12:23

and we have a perfect storm and

12:25

boom. Then the gene start getting triggered

12:28

and the bottom starts falling out and

12:30

the immune system turns on itself. So

12:32

if you can figure out what someone's

12:34

perfect storm is. That's how they're going

12:37

to get well. I love the way

12:39

you teach this, because you're teaching doctors

12:41

systems biology and you're undoing the damage

12:43

from medical school. And there's great value

12:45

medical school. I'm not saying that it's

12:48

not there. If I get hit by

12:50

a truck, I want to go to

12:52

the emergency. It's just that belief there

12:54

must be one cause is built into

12:57

the pharmaceutical industry and they're funding medical

12:59

schools. And what if in order to

13:01

test for bread? you could have Pfizer,

13:03

like, well, we baked the water, we

13:05

baked the yeast, we baked the salt,

13:08

we baked the flour, there is no

13:10

bread. You have to have a recipe,

13:12

right? And there's a recipe for getting

13:14

sick and a recipe for getting well.

13:17

How does someone know the recipe that

13:19

made them sick? Because if you know

13:21

that, maybe you can undo it. Yeah.

13:23

Yeah, I mean, exactly right. But it's

13:26

funny, what you said, though, doctors believe

13:28

that there's one cause. Today, they believe

13:30

there's probably one drug to cover up

13:32

one symptom, right? I mean, it's gotten

13:34

even worse than that, right? You know,

13:37

one of the things I love to

13:39

teach from just as an analogy is,

13:41

if you... to the point of what

13:43

you said, right? If you can figure

13:46

out the cause, then surely the solution

13:48

lies there, right? And we're always looking

13:50

for cause, but think of a three-legged

13:52

stool. All three things have to be

13:54

there for the stool to stand up

13:57

is the analogy, right? Okay, we know

13:59

that genes play a role, right? But

14:01

again, our DNA is not our destiny,

14:03

right? Genes can get turned on, most

14:06

genes, and they can also be turned

14:08

off. So think of that is one

14:10

leg of one leg of the stressor

14:12

and we discover. that triggers that turn

14:15

them on. So, okay, so if we

14:17

deal with the stressors, do you think

14:19

that there's science to show that we

14:21

can actually turn off the genes? The

14:23

answer is yes. So people listening that

14:26

have autoimmune, right, they have thyroid conditions,

14:28

diabetes, all these things, yes, those genes

14:30

were turned on, but it's definitely not

14:32

your destiny, but you won't turn them

14:35

off until you deal with the stressors

14:37

that turn them on. There is one

14:39

more leg, and that's the microbiome. If

14:41

you think about autoimmune, there's certain bacteria,

14:43

if they get in too low a

14:46

number, we don't make enough T regulatory

14:48

cells that tell your immune system to

14:50

back down. It's okay, right? Don't attack

14:52

it. You know, don't attack yourself. So

14:55

of course, that's playing a role too.

14:57

So today, even in functional medicine, I

14:59

find doctors are just trying to chase

15:01

the gut without understanding these other legs

15:03

of the stool. So if all three

15:06

of these things had to be there

15:08

for you to get sick, that it

15:10

makes logical sense that we better deal

15:12

with all three. Yes, the gut, but

15:15

and yes, do things that can actually

15:17

turn down and down regulate gene expression,

15:19

but also you better get to the

15:21

cause of how it got triggered. Oh,

15:24

in these stressors are also why the

15:26

gut went bad too. So there's one

15:28

leg that actually causes the other legs,

15:30

you know, to fall, if you will.

15:32

I really like that. And you've been

15:35

a leading voice in talking about the

15:37

role of toxins. And I recognize in

15:39

my history. both toxins developed by my

15:41

microbiome that was off as well as

15:44

environmental toxins have had a profound impact

15:46

and even toxins from things that people

15:48

think are healthy food but really aren't.

15:50

It's true. Those have been why my

15:52

mitochondria were screwed up, why have the

15:55

inflammation and all. So I want you

15:57

to rank the toxins people are commonly

15:59

exposed to from the worst and most

16:01

common going down the list. The most

16:04

common in the worst. I don't know

16:06

if it lines up, but let's go

16:08

for this. You know, because if you

16:10

look at probably the most common, like

16:13

look at plastic exposure today, right? I

16:15

mean, huge. I mean, they're finding it

16:17

in every tissue of the human body.

16:19

Every brain now on autopsies has it,

16:21

right? Every testicle. I mean, come on.

16:24

These are hormone disruptors, right? It's like

16:26

in, you know, obviously linked to cancer

16:28

and many other conditions. And we know

16:30

they're driving autoimmune and other problems, and

16:33

yet. even you and I are being

16:35

exposed and yeah I bring water glass

16:37

bottles I don't drink out of plastic

16:39

right did you know this glass bottle

16:41

yeah yeah it's funny how many podcasts

16:44

they give me a bottle and I'm

16:46

preaching against it and those the bottle

16:48

and I'm like okay great now I

16:50

can at least use this one leader

16:53

a bottle has 140,000 micrograms of plastic

16:55

but anyway yeah so plastic's probably one

16:57

of the most common if we're going

16:59

common first, then of course chemicals from

17:02

our food like glyphosate. I mean, my

17:04

gosh, I mean, I would argue that's

17:06

making this perfect storm even worse. So

17:08

I'm going to talk about some deadly

17:10

toxins that people unknowingly have been exposed

17:13

to from birth on like you and

17:15

I, and yet glyphosate allows those to

17:17

cross deeper into our brain number one.

17:19

This is a 2012 study. Stephanie Senaf...

17:22

You know, with one of the first,

17:24

it's been duplicated. This is great, but

17:26

on the show, I think she's just

17:28

more credit than she gets. Yeah, right?

17:30

It's true. You know, yes, it allows

17:33

these toxins like heavy metals, which are

17:35

deadly. They affected me, part of my

17:37

story, to cross even deeper into the

17:39

brain. She believes that it's, you know,

17:42

creating this massive increase in autism and

17:44

a lot of other neurodegenerative conditions. It's

17:46

opening up the gut barrier. So I

17:48

would put that in one of the

17:50

most deadly categories because in and in

17:53

and itself it's deadly and it's also

17:55

making other toxins more deadly by allowing

17:57

it to cross deeper into us. Yeah,

17:59

that would be deadly. You know, I

18:02

think deadly that people miss in, I

18:04

would say, alternative medicine misses for many

18:06

reasons because of bad testing. and they

18:08

don't know what to do with it

18:11

really. Mold biotoxins, right? Okay, so the

18:13

urine test, yeah, listen, in my doctor

18:15

group, we tested this urine test where

18:17

you look at biotoxins, most of it's

18:19

foodborne. We fasted people for a day,

18:22

got a little better, two days got

18:24

even better, but showing that it's mostly

18:26

foodborne, and you know a lot about

18:28

foodborne mold, that's why you developed coffee,

18:31

but it's not, right? Right. So, very

18:33

inaccurate, very inaccurate, mold is either missed

18:35

because of poor testing, because of poor

18:37

testing. Right? People go, yeah, I don't

18:39

have mold in my house. No one

18:42

thinks they have mold in their house,

18:44

right? It's like, you know, or they

18:46

do an air test because they brought

18:48

in the experts and of course there's

18:51

no mold in the house, but it

18:53

is because it's behind the wall and

18:55

they didn't test for it. Heavy metals,

18:57

I would say a lot of people

19:00

think they might have heavy metals, but

19:02

then the problem here is the way

19:04

that they go online and find what

19:06

they think gets rid of heavy metals.

19:08

the drops, it's the corella, the cilantro,

19:11

the, you know, none of it is,

19:13

if it were only that easy, right,

19:15

I wouldn't have spent most of my

19:17

career. teaching how to get rid of

19:20

this stuff out of deep tissue like

19:22

your brain, you know, that made me

19:24

sick. So heavy metals deadly and doctors

19:26

don't know quite what to do with

19:28

it. Biotoxone is deadly because it's missed

19:31

and oftentimes dealt with incorrectly. So yeah,

19:33

pesticides, big problem, plastics, big problem, forever

19:35

chemicals is a new problem, right? Because

19:37

these things, yeah, forever, they last forever

19:40

in our environment, but look what they're

19:42

doing in our body, right? I mean,

19:44

it's remarkable. how much you know how

19:46

much damage it's caused to how many

19:49

dollars are awarded to the damages of

19:51

and yet we're still in you know

19:53

basically getting it in all these products

19:55

from dental floss to eye care toilet

19:57

paper I mean just go down the

20:00

list eye drops obviously clothing waterproof resistant

20:02

of course pans teflon I mean you

20:04

know over 10,000 and products were being

20:06

exposed to. Europe is putting bans on

20:09

this stuff one after another. Denmark, the

20:11

EU, is, you know, next to put

20:13

bans on this stuff here in the

20:15

United States. We haven't even banned glyphosate

20:17

yet. And how many billions have been

20:20

awarded to cancer? Not options, lymphoma, and,

20:22

you know, other problems, and yet, you

20:24

still walk in home depot, and you

20:26

see what, round up? Right. And you

20:29

know, those bastards are now trying to

20:31

go to states and make it illegal

20:33

for them to have liability for spraying

20:35

chemicals that poison people. And I don't

20:38

understand that because there's a certain type

20:40

of person and thankful I'm not one

20:42

of them, where if you kill their

20:44

children, they will kill you. Right. And

20:46

so I just don't, I don't understand

20:49

how our government isn't taking action on

20:51

that. I think they might. But. Well,

20:53

there's a chance right now. Yeah. There's

20:55

a new sheriff in town. There's a

20:58

chance that this can all, you know,

21:00

yeah, yeah, change. I hope it does.

21:02

Would you believe that most non-stick cookwares

21:04

still has Teflon and PFAS or other

21:07

harmful chemicals? They leach into your food,

21:09

even into the air you breathe. A

21:11

new study in Science of the Total

21:14

Environment Journal found that a single scratch

21:16

on a non-stick pan releases about 9,000

21:18

plastic particles. And small doses of these

21:20

forever chemicals are tied to cancer, reproductive

21:23

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21:25

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21:27

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21:30

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21:32

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21:34

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21:37

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21:39

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21:41

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21:44

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21:46

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21:53

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21:55

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21:58

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22:00

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22:02

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22:05

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22:07

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22:09

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22:11

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22:28

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22:32

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22:39

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22:42

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22:45

The evidence is in, and drinking

22:47

alcohol isn't good for longevity, but

22:49

a lot of people, including me,

22:51

on occasion, still want to enjoy

22:53

it. So what do you do

22:55

about that? There is a pre-alcohol

22:57

probiotic that helps you wake up

22:59

feeling refreshed after a night of

23:01

drinking. It's called zibiotics. Their pre-alcohol

23:03

probiotic drink is the world's first

23:05

genetically engineered probiotic. It works because

23:07

alcohol gets converted to a toxic

23:09

byproduct. And it's that byproduct, not

23:11

dehydration that's making you feel not

23:13

so good the next day. Z-Biotics

23:15

makes an enzyme that specifically breaks

23:17

that toxin down. So if you

23:19

make Z-Biotics pre-alcohol probiotic, the first

23:21

drink of the night, it's a

23:23

tiny little shot, and it tastes

23:25

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23:27

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23:29

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23:31

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23:52

that isn't well known is that

23:54

glyphosate, when you spray it on

23:56

soil and plants, it causes the

23:58

toxic mold to make 500 times

24:00

more mold toxin. And in things

24:02

like corn, we used to just

24:04

have mold on the corn. It's

24:06

called fusariant. And it's one of

24:08

the big toxic molds. Well, you

24:10

could see it. But when you

24:12

spray glyphosate, it goes into the

24:14

roots of the corn and it

24:16

binds to the sugar in the

24:18

corn and you can't see it.

24:20

And if you test the corn

24:22

for this toxin, you won't see

24:24

it. But once you digest the

24:26

corn and your enzymes break the

24:28

sugar apart, the toxins released. And

24:30

so glyphosate is making mold toxins

24:32

work and it's making metal toxins

24:34

worse. Oh, yes, absolutely does. You

24:36

know something I heard you say

24:38

recently and I said, wow. He's

24:40

the first person that I've heard

24:42

say this, and it's true. That

24:44

when people are in a mold

24:46

exposure, oftentimes they get like mucus

24:48

biofilms, and they have certain sinus

24:50

problems that they have, even certain

24:52

mucus in the back of the

24:54

throat. And I'm always like, that's

24:56

mold. And the reason is... the

24:58

fact is that bacteria and mold

25:00

are enemies of each other. Yeah,

25:02

ancient enemies. Absolutely. So what a

25:04

bacteria do to protect themselves, they

25:06

felt biofilms, right? So that is

25:08

a sign that I've talked about

25:10

for many years. So I don't

25:12

know how you figured it out

25:14

or how you got that, but

25:16

that's true. But I rarely hear

25:18

people talk about that. It's fun

25:20

and really important for parents, right?

25:22

Because your kids have behavioral problems,

25:24

and pandas is what happens when

25:26

toxic mold. messes with the streptococcus

25:28

bacteria and it makes it form

25:30

a biofilm in the sinus of

25:32

your kids and then they get

25:34

chronic strep throughout the way I

25:36

did antibiotics for 15 years. But

25:38

the toxins from strep cause an

25:40

autoimmune reaction. I think it's to

25:42

probably to the lending of your

25:45

nerves to my own but that's

25:47

what causes this pandas disorder which

25:49

makes you have... and ODD both

25:51

of which I used to have.

25:53

So you think, you know, my

25:55

kids are not trying hard or

25:57

they have autism or whatever, they

25:59

might just have. mold toxins or

26:01

they might have mold toxins that

26:03

cause bacterial toxins. Absolutely. So real.

26:05

Absolutely, because the mold will obviously

26:07

have the opposite effect, right? It

26:09

will cause bacterial problems, just like,

26:11

yeah, it's amazing. But see, the

26:13

reason you know that is because

26:15

you experienced, right? The reason I

26:17

know that is because I experienced

26:19

it, right? Meaning like I had

26:21

these, you know, impossible biofilms, right?

26:23

A lot of people today are

26:25

trying to solve their gut problem

26:27

when, again, they're in a mold.

26:29

or they have an upstream heavy

26:31

metal issue. Makes me so happy

26:33

you're saying this. Yeah, and they're

26:35

going all these, you know, probiotic,

26:37

this, that, other thing, it's like,

26:39

hold on, you know, what's 20

26:41

miles up the river? There might

26:43

be a factory. you know, dumping

26:45

a toxin in the river and

26:47

that's why your fish are dying

26:49

down here. So stop trying to

26:51

populate the fish, you know, in

26:53

other words, the microbiome, it's not

26:55

going to happen until you deal

26:57

with what's going on up there.

26:59

But you know, doctors don't want

27:01

to hear it. We have more

27:03

fancy testing, whether it's sniff testing,

27:05

genetic testing, microbiome testing, but yet

27:07

I feel like alternative medicine is

27:09

pulling away from that in a

27:11

sense in getting fancier instead of

27:13

like dealing with the upstream issues.

27:15

We got our lives back because

27:17

we got to the cause. We're

27:19

incredibly fortunate and it took an

27:21

enormous amount of money and learning.

27:23

And that's why we're here. Yeah,

27:25

and we're both able to educate

27:27

and I think you have so

27:29

much leverage because you're teaching doctors

27:31

how to detox in a way

27:33

that this functional. And so, you

27:35

know, I practice gratitude for all

27:37

the shit I went through because

27:40

it motivated me. My blog, I

27:42

thought five people read this and

27:44

not go through. All the hell

27:46

I went through and that was

27:48

my goal. Look at the amount

27:50

of people you've been able to

27:52

impact, right? And it would have

27:54

never happened if you hadn't suffered.

27:56

Oh yeah. So from pain to

27:58

purpose has been my whole life.

28:00

story man I sit here because

28:02

of that you know and I

28:04

I like to say pain to

28:06

purpose to promise meaning I always

28:08

believe God has a promise in

28:10

it for someone that if you

28:12

know if you anchor to it

28:14

it's like watch what can happen

28:16

watch what he does completely agree

28:18

yeah all right let's start at

28:20

the top how do I get

28:22

rid of toxins in my sinuses

28:24

well let's say this how do

28:26

you get rid of toxins in

28:28

your brain sinuses body right well

28:30

No doubt there's detox pathways that

28:32

we all were born with. They

28:34

start in our cell. They eventually

28:36

have to work their way to

28:38

the liver, kidneys, gut, etc. But

28:40

it all starts here. So if

28:42

you've heard me say real detox

28:44

is at the cell. It's a

28:46

cellular issue. So we can't just

28:48

say I'm going to get rid

28:50

of these toxins using kelators, binders.

28:52

That's part of it. I teach

28:54

it. However, if we don't fix

28:56

what's broken here, then we're never

28:58

going to fix what's the problem.

29:00

So meaning, if your cell's detox

29:02

pathways start to slow down, now...

29:04

you're broken from the very beginning

29:06

and you will never get well.

29:08

So my saying is if we

29:10

fix the cell we get well.

29:12

But let me give people an

29:14

analogy they can hold on to.

29:16

So there's many different detox pathways

29:18

that our cells utilize to get

29:20

rid of toxins. And by the

29:22

way, when your cells make energy...

29:24

in the mitochondrial which is in

29:26

ourselves, they make toxins. It's like

29:28

burning wood in a fireplace. Yeah,

29:30

if reactive oxygen pieces, it's a

29:33

fireplace. If we don't have the

29:35

damper open, meaning that the toxins

29:37

can't get out and they come

29:39

into the home, we die, right?

29:41

Okay, so everyone has that analogy.

29:43

Okay, here's one more. We know

29:45

that make a car more powerful,

29:47

faster, right, perform better. People put

29:49

door exhausts on them. Yep. and

29:51

immediately the power goes up. Okay,

29:53

that means that if we can

29:55

get rid of toxins, we actually

29:57

increase power. Okay, now let's do

29:59

the opposite. This is a true

30:01

story. I do that to my

30:03

Tesla and nothing happened. Yeah, that's

30:05

really weird. I don't have a

30:07

Tesla. Never own an electric car.

30:09

Well, good thing. They might bomb

30:11

it outside. Who knows what's going

30:13

to happen these days. But anyway,

30:15

so now if this is a

30:17

true story, let me tell the

30:19

story. So we were in high

30:21

school and I drove my friends

30:23

somewhere. I think it was a

30:25

party and I was the designated

30:27

driver. and we got in the

30:29

car to drive home and I'm

30:31

driving home and the power's dying

30:33

and I'm dying and this point

30:35

I have it floored literally I

30:37

accelerated the gun I'm criticizing my

30:39

friends how heavy they are I'm

30:41

like literally I wasn't processing finally

30:43

it gets so bad the car

30:45

just dies the next scene was

30:47

me calling my parents to come

30:49

pick us up okay the next

30:51

day we found out what happened

30:53

someone who didn't like one of

30:55

us stuffed an apple in the

30:57

exhaust An apple. Okay. So what

30:59

happened? The toxins were building up

31:01

in the engine, and the engine

31:03

was power was getting less and

31:05

less. Sound familiar, America, like your

31:07

power is getting less. Yeah. But

31:09

anyways, until the point where the

31:11

engine, you know, died, right? But

31:13

that's what's happening in people's cells.

31:15

When these detox pathways slowed down,

31:17

you'd be dead if they were,

31:19

you know, if they just stopped,

31:21

but slowed down, the toxins are

31:23

now building up in the cell.

31:25

And just like the engine, first

31:28

sign is just low power. Gosh,

31:30

I just feel like I can't

31:32

make it through a day. I

31:34

feel like, but you know, you

31:36

feel like you're going to just

31:38

go kaput and that can happen.

31:40

But as those toxins build up

31:42

in the cell, a lot of

31:44

things happen. Your detox pathways, they

31:46

get worse and worse. Your DNA.

31:48

that's in that cell as well

31:50

starts to get triggered. Toxins, as

31:52

we said, turn on the bad

31:54

genes. So now you get the

31:56

diagnosis. It's a thyroid condition. It's

31:58

hossia. Whatever it is, right? They

32:00

start turning it on. But also,

32:02

more as the energy drops. So

32:04

now, energy is dropping, inflammation is

32:06

rising. Right. And all your methylation

32:08

pathways are exhausted. You're glutathion pathways.

32:10

Your hormones don't work even if

32:12

you're taking them just like us.

32:14

No. That's, detox is about fixing

32:16

what's broken there. And it's in

32:18

the cell, not the liver, not

32:20

the kidneys. That's right. Okay, and

32:22

not those, even the sweat glands.

32:24

Yeah, no, exactly. Listen, I'm all

32:26

for saunas, I have one, I

32:28

love them, just as you do.

32:30

I'm all for keeping the liver.

32:32

Part of part of my process

32:34

is, you have to keep the

32:36

liver in the kidney and the

32:38

kidney and the gut open. The

32:40

big part of what I've been

32:42

teaching for 20 years is fixing

32:44

this, and I'm pointing at the

32:46

cell. How do you go about

32:48

fixing the cell? Okay, I have

32:50

my five hours, which is a

32:52

roadmap to do this, right? I

32:54

don't want to bore people with

32:56

a deep science, but your audience

32:58

is pretty privy here. So, but

33:00

the five hours came about, let

33:02

me tell that story first, out

33:04

of a very frustrating lecture that

33:06

I gave in California. I was

33:08

so... jazzed talking about this what

33:10

I just said basically right I

33:12

probably didn't have as good analogies

33:14

then but I was super excited

33:16

but I could tell they weren't

33:18

my audience you've spoken enough you

33:21

know when you have when you

33:23

don't I didn't have it so

33:25

beating myself up on the flight

33:27

home literally I was like gosh

33:29

you know I just need to

33:31

figure out a way to communicate

33:33

and then I prayed I literally

33:35

just I said a prayer and

33:37

I'm telling you it started coming

33:39

it started coming and I reached

33:41

down and grabbed my notebook and

33:43

the five ours was born. Okay,

33:45

so what are they? Our number

33:47

one, it's the obvious. You have

33:49

to remove the source. We just

33:51

talked about this. What's upstream, what's

33:53

up the river, right? Or the

33:55

sources in your life. You think

33:57

you're going to get well, if

33:59

you're still living in a moldy

34:01

home. You can do all your

34:03

biohacks and all my techniques. You're

34:05

going to chase it. Some things

34:07

might feel a little bit more,

34:09

get rid of the peanut butter,

34:11

get rid of the moldy coffee,

34:13

all the normal sources are. Absolutely,

34:15

you have to clean it up.

34:17

Our number one. Our number two

34:19

is you have to regenerate the

34:21

cell membranes. I do whole weekend

34:23

seminars just on membranes. It's not

34:25

my saying, but there is one.

34:27

Life and death begins on the

34:29

membranes. Is that Gilbert Ling? Is

34:31

that Gilbert Ling? I would guess.

34:33

Oh, I didn't. Seems like something

34:35

from cells, cells, cells, gel. Yeah,

34:37

I'm gonna, I gotta figure that

34:39

out now because I wanted to

34:41

give credit to someone. I always

34:43

just make sure that people don't

34:45

think it's me. Got it. Here

34:47

we're back to that credit. Do

34:49

they, it's not me. We do

34:51

our best. Because I heard someone

34:53

say one time, oh well, I

34:55

didn't say that. A fixed cell

34:57

go, well, that's me. Life and

34:59

death begins on the memories, not

35:01

me, but it's not me, but

35:03

it does. It's that it's that.

35:05

It's that important. It's that important.

35:07

It's that important. It's that important.

35:09

It's that important. It's that important.

35:11

It's that. or on those membranes.

35:13

So hormone health begins on the

35:16

memories. Your ability to lose weight

35:18

or not lose weight can be

35:20

on the membranes. And by the

35:22

way, it's not just the membrane

35:24

of the outer cell. That is

35:26

a lipid bilayer, two layers of

35:28

really important fat that is the

35:30

gatekeeper of what comes in and

35:32

what comes out. I already said

35:34

how important that is. Right, but

35:36

those inner membranes, the mitochondrial membrane.

35:38

That's where power happens, right? It's

35:40

like, without that. And you know

35:42

how many people have so many

35:44

toxins in their cell that their

35:46

mitochondrial membrane? Again, they're taking all

35:48

these things, wonder why it's not

35:50

working, wonder why their energy, horrible,

35:52

it sucks. It's the mitochondrial membrane

35:54

that is a problem. So you're

35:56

doing phosphatocoline, phosphatocerine is very important

35:58

because it makes up such an

36:00

important part of the membrane. This

36:02

is such a great topic. So

36:04

we're on our tube, but we're

36:06

going to stay here for a

36:08

bit because this is such an

36:10

important topic. Right now in our

36:12

space. Omega 6 is such a

36:14

bad guy and I understand why

36:16

because that's right because people are

36:18

Jesse so all the vegetables all

36:20

the thing all the grain-fed meets

36:22

right so we have a dominance

36:24

that I get it but here's

36:26

the problem Omega 6 is the

36:28

king of the cell membrane it's

36:30

the most important, but by the

36:32

way, because of that, it's why

36:34

it's so deadly when it's rancid,

36:36

Omega-6, right? So adulterated, Omega-6 is

36:38

so bad, because Omega-6 is so

36:40

important. So my point is, is

36:42

that when I teach fixing the

36:44

membrane, my attention is at the

36:46

Omega-6, getting rid of the bad

36:48

and bringing in the good, and

36:50

that's what people don't understand. It's

36:52

not the bad guy, right? So

36:54

you're giving people extra, but... Undamaged,

36:56

I guess, to flush out the

36:58

fat and their membranes. So when

37:00

people are eating all these rants

37:02

and seed on hills, those omega

37:04

sixes are going right to the

37:06

membrane and they don't stay for

37:09

hours, they don't stay for days.

37:11

They're in there for months. 792

37:13

days or something. That's the last

37:15

estimate, right? Yeah, it's like found

37:17

the study for that. Yeah, it

37:19

was my books. Yeah, so. That's

37:21

driving cellular inflammation, which disrupts your

37:23

hormones, which disrupts your nutrition and

37:25

all your expensive supplements from getting

37:27

its hormones in the cell. So

37:29

yeah, stay away from seed oils.

37:31

You know, and again, when you

37:33

go to a seed oil could

37:35

be healthy, by the way. And

37:37

in low doses. Yeah. And unadulterated.

37:39

You know, and that's that's the

37:41

issue is people are. everything in

37:43

Whole Foods or a health food

37:45

store, if it's in a package,

37:47

it's very fragile. Yes, it's an

37:49

adulterated oil. So telling people rental

37:51

and we stay away from seed

37:53

oils, yeah, yeah, I get that,

37:55

but it's a little more complicated.

37:57

If they're eating egg yolks, eating

37:59

some avocados, are they not getting

38:01

undamaged omega-six? Oh, see, here's the

38:03

way I answer this, I answer

38:05

this is controversial too. I love

38:07

fish oil and fish. Fish oil

38:09

is more fragile than seed oils.

38:11

It's double bonds. Think about this.

38:13

Fish oil has five, it's right.

38:15

Fish oil has five to six

38:17

double bonds. DHA, what it has

38:19

six. I think the other one

38:21

has five, EPA has five, three,

38:23

two or three is seed oils,

38:25

right? Now, what are the most,

38:27

would fats take heat the best?

38:29

Satrated fat, huh? How many double

38:31

bonds do they have? A zero.

38:33

It's kind of weird. They don't

38:35

have any. And they're fully set

38:37

here with oxygen, so they're very

38:39

hard to damage. That's right. Most

38:41

of what I eat. Yeah, so

38:43

again, you know, the more double

38:45

bonds, the more fragile. So we

38:47

have to be careful of our

38:49

fats, obviously. And like I said,

38:51

the omega-6 is very important. Fossoto

38:53

coli, 70% of mega-6. If I'm

38:55

in replacing my cell membrane, detoxing

38:57

my cell membranes, Well, yeah, that's

38:59

listen. I anywhere from a four

39:01

one to one to a Some

39:04

say six to one ratios in

39:06

your food in nature, right? Yeah,

39:08

so think of it as in

39:10

you know in those ratio ratios

39:12

and again if you're eating to

39:14

your point egg yolks, right grass

39:16

fed meat You're gonna find those

39:18

ratios are in nature. Why? Because

39:20

it knows best The thing is

39:22

though, in grass-fed beef, it's 1.6%

39:24

linoleic acid. There's a lot of

39:26

linoleinic acid, which is different, but

39:28

the linoleic, it's pretty low, and

39:30

I don't have a problem with

39:32

that. Yeah, but I do find

39:34

that after 15 years of not

39:36

eating processed seed oils at all,

39:38

and I don't eat a lot

39:40

of nuts because of oxalate and

39:42

all that, but I still get

39:44

some. that my ratio dropped about

39:46

2.8 to 1 of omega 6

39:48

to omega 3, which is too

39:50

low for longevity we wanted to

39:52

be for. So then I eat

39:54

a few walnuts or some other

39:56

things like that that are not

39:58

roasted. And how far can that

40:00

omega 6 to omega 3 ratio

40:02

go before it becomes like you

40:04

need more omega 6? Yeah, it's

40:06

to your point, actually, which would

40:08

be shocking to people is that

40:10

when you get that low, you

40:12

actually start driving inflammatory processes. Absolutely.

40:14

the labs, I think, damn it.

40:16

So I went out and got

40:18

some walnut oil. Again, you mentioned

40:20

you glossed over. You could read

40:22

studies on the one-to-one ratio is

40:24

good for the heart, the two-to-one

40:26

ratio is good for your heart,

40:28

the two-to-one ratio is good for

40:30

your kidneys. The four-to-one ratio is

40:32

good for your kidneys. The four-one

40:34

ratio is one of the first

40:36

studies that I've read, Yoshi, I

40:38

think it was that four-to-to-one ratio.

40:40

is magic around the membrane. So

40:42

that means it's good for this

40:44

brain too. Yes. Right. And so

40:46

I think targeting that is wise

40:48

if you're trying to get your

40:50

health back. Olive oil. One edible

40:52

bond. Right. So I've had meaning

40:54

more stable. It's definitely more stable,

40:57

but it still can oxidize because

40:59

sure. Yeah, people put it on

41:01

their stove. But the point of

41:03

it because there's a double bond,

41:05

right. So you know. butter, gee,

41:07

tallow, no bellow, bond, you could

41:09

put it on your stove, you

41:11

could fry in it for good

41:13

a sake. There is a double

41:15

bond with olive oil, so you

41:17

do have to be careful, you

41:19

know, obviously it can happen. You

41:21

might know the answer to this,

41:23

you're one of the few guys

41:25

I could ask. I know that

41:27

30 to 50 grams of olive

41:29

oil, if it's real olive oil,

41:31

has health benefits, and there's really

41:33

clear stuff, as I've always said.

41:35

Yeah, of course. Of course. A

41:37

couple tablespoons, a couple tablespoons, a

41:39

couple tablespoons, a day, a day,

41:41

a day, a day, that's, that's,

41:43

that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's,

41:45

that's fine. Excessive alaic acid causes

41:47

a massive increase in oxidation of

41:49

omega six of linoleic acid by

41:51

driving something called D5D. So how

41:53

much olive oil is too much?

41:55

And should I eat only olive

41:57

oil the way some people are

41:59

these days? I don't think you

42:01

should only eat olive oil. I

42:03

don't think it's good longevity practice.

42:05

Yeah, I don't either. Yeah, you

42:07

know, I think the question is

42:09

more complicated than our brains, you

42:11

know, want to think about it.

42:13

because there's other protectors in that.

42:15

Meaning if in a laboratory you're

42:17

watching that. oxidation in reality there's

42:19

other protective factors they can so

42:21

it literally I maybe there's one

42:23

I don't think there is but

42:25

you'd have to study you know

42:27

olive oil in its effect specifically

42:29

in that area you know with

42:31

the taking all other factors out

42:33

so that's a little hard it

42:35

is hard and I I kind

42:37

of roll my eyes at this

42:39

point like oh it has all

42:41

these protective antioxidants I take hydroxy

42:43

titras all in a capsule that's

42:45

like a thousand liters of olive

42:47

oil in every pill. So if

42:49

you really want the antioxidants from

42:52

olives, you can get olive polyphenols

42:54

and they work much better than

42:56

over-driving oleic acid because I would

42:58

rather have clean undamaged omega-six in

43:00

small amounts and mostly saturated because

43:02

I want my membranes to work.

43:04

But I might be missing something.

43:06

Like what am I missing? You're

43:08

an expert of this. Here's where

43:10

your eyes personality can get us,

43:12

right? Because we love to do

43:14

it and we do it the

43:16

best and we can overdo it.

43:18

So I think that when you're,

43:20

you know, you're eating a balanced

43:22

diet and not chugging a bunch

43:24

of olive oil, that's when you

43:26

get into trouble, right? I mean,

43:28

listen, people did it with, I

43:30

mean, everything can work, my gosh,

43:32

we can drink too much water,

43:34

and people, I see people doing

43:36

that, right? olive oil and you're

43:38

using it in your food, it's

43:40

different if you start chugging a

43:42

lot of olive oil, right? I

43:44

mean, again, too many antioxidants is

43:46

bad. It's bad for your immune

43:48

system, right? It's like, and then

43:50

we also know that oxidants can

43:52

actually be good, ozone, right? I

43:54

mean, you know, how most things

43:56

work. You're the biohacking expert. Most

43:58

biohacks work on a premise called

44:00

Hormesus, meaning it literally drives a

44:02

reaction, our bodies drive an opposite

44:04

reaction to adapt to the stress

44:06

that it created, and that adaptation,

44:08

if you adapt, becomes a good

44:10

thing. into a cold plunge your

44:12

body literally thinks it's going to

44:14

die it raises neuropanaphrin epinephrine in

44:16

growth hormone but if you stay

44:18

in too long inflammation you don't

44:20

sleep as well you know because

44:22

that's the premise of hormesis if

44:24

you adapt it's amazing to if

44:26

you don't it's bad exercise you

44:28

can exercise too much right if

44:30

you exercise too much you don't

44:32

adapt it becomes a good thing

44:34

becomes negative okay totally agree with

44:36

you So we're going to replace

44:38

the fat in our membranes with

44:40

unpoised fat because mold toxins and

44:42

endocrine disruptors dissolve into your cell

44:45

membranes. So I like this picture

44:47

of if you have like a

44:49

glass of water with a drop

44:51

of food coloring in it, you

44:53

have to add a lot of

44:55

water before you wash all that

44:57

out and fats are the same

44:59

way. So it's going to take

45:01

you four years to get 75%

45:03

of that die out if you

45:05

just pour new fats into the

45:07

system. And I've noticed over the

45:09

years, people who start putting butter.

45:11

and MCT into their coffee every

45:13

day, the way I did when

45:15

I was a bulletproof now, Danger

45:17

Coffee is my new one, because

45:19

who knows you might do. After,

45:21

for the first two years, you

45:23

can't get enough. It's like manna

45:25

from head like, oh, I needed

45:27

this in almost to a day,

45:29

after two years, which is when

45:31

half of the cell membranes have

45:33

been replaced with more stable oils.

45:35

You've flushed out the system. It's

45:37

like, you know, I like this,

45:39

I like what it needed needed,

45:41

it needed. I've got this. Okay.

45:43

Again, this is learning working with

45:45

so many sick children, autistic children.

45:47

This is opposite of what most

45:49

people teach, but when I'm teaching

45:51

membrane, I say the most important

45:53

thing is you have to bring

45:55

in the glue, the stabilizers to

45:57

the membrane first. And those are

45:59

your saturated fats and cholesterol. Thank

46:01

you. So saturated fat and cholesterol

46:03

are the most... That's the base

46:05

layer. Yeah, so people go opposite.

46:07

So before we even think about

46:09

the Omega-6, if you don't stabilize

46:11

that... membrane with those saturates in

46:13

the cholesterol. Matter of fact, the

46:15

two fats that are demonized the

46:17

most is exactly what we need

46:19

to start with to lay that

46:21

foundation. So your foundation, when you

46:23

were like, you need, your body

46:25

knew, your intuition, your innate intelligence,

46:27

knew it needed the foundation, and

46:29

then. you don't need as much

46:31

of the foundation, then you start

46:33

building on it with the good

46:35

Omega-6 and Omega-3-2. You know, we're

46:37

just talking about that. But, you

46:40

know, those are, Omega-3 and Omega-6,

46:42

you know, those are your parent

46:44

oils. They're essential, meaning you have

46:46

to get them in your diet,

46:48

right? So, you know, you have

46:50

to get them in your diet,

46:52

right? So, you know, you have

46:54

to have the saturated and cholesterol,

46:56

fats and cholesterol, but that's new

46:58

it. Okay. So there's our cell

47:00

membranes. So we fix those by

47:02

increasing our intake of saturated and

47:04

undamaged moderate amounts of polyensaturated fats

47:06

and some monosaturated fats, including... phosphatocolin

47:08

and just coylene itself, things like

47:10

from egg yolks, and allowing the

47:12

liver to make more cholesterol. And

47:14

by the way, one of the

47:16

shakes that I made, I call

47:18

it my membrane shake, it was

47:20

filled with egg yolks, and you

47:22

know, because again, it brought in

47:24

that perfect egg yolks, it's like

47:26

it's almost made for the membrane.

47:28

It's brilliant. I mean, it's like

47:30

it's God's food for our cell

47:32

membrane. So yeah, I was literally

47:34

putting like, you know, eight eggoaks

47:36

in it every day. And, you

47:38

know, honestly, my hair went amazing,

47:40

my skin got amazing, but that's

47:42

a reflection of your cell health,

47:44

man. It's so funny. You're reminding

47:46

me, I haven't thought of this

47:48

in a while. My first book

47:50

was a book on fertility, you

47:52

had to have healthier kids, and

47:54

I invented. It took five years

47:56

to design the new purpose to

47:58

restore fertility so we can have

48:00

our... because they're teenagers and daughters

48:02

about to graduate from high school.

48:04

I'm like, wow. And so we

48:06

couldn't have kids. And one of the

48:08

most healing things that I made was

48:11

this recipe. And I published it as

48:13

Get Some Ice Cream. And it's called

48:15

Get Some, because it had so many

48:17

egg yolks. And it had butter and

48:19

MCT oil and fossil oil. Just from

48:21

less of that. That's a membrane shake.

48:23

Yeah. But we put in that ice

48:25

cream maker. And when you eat it.

48:27

An hour later. you get this thing

48:30

like we should go to the bedroom

48:32

and I think it's because the body

48:34

says there's so much abundance I should

48:36

get pregnant now like this is a

48:38

time the nutrients in the world are

48:40

present yeah and thousands of people have

48:42

emailed and posted saying I thought you

48:44

were crazy but it totally works yeah

48:46

right so yeah it's egg yolks right

48:49

it is man I mean you can't

48:51

discount that what's the benefits in the

48:53

whites not the fats but the proteins

48:55

my biochemistry teacher doctor Shahe in in

48:57

school he said the perfect food is

48:59

the egg. It's the egg. You know,

49:01

you know, and I'm back then, I'm

49:03

like, why don't you know, now I

49:06

get it. It's the egg. He's

49:08

right. It's amazing. I think

49:10

though, you're supposed to cook

49:12

the whites a little bit

49:14

because if you take whites

49:16

by themselves, you get biotens.

49:18

Yeah, I use, in the

49:20

shakes, I would just use

49:22

the yoke, not that, because you

49:24

could, yeah, it's who raised

49:26

the biteses. So we've got

49:28

our membranes handled and now our

49:30

cells, our sensitivity to hormones are

49:33

there and we're able to detox

49:35

the cells. Yeah, bring good things

49:37

in, good things out, membranes. Yeah.

49:39

What's next on ours? R3 is

49:41

restoring cell energy. Okay. You know,

49:43

this is key. My favorite. Yeah,

49:45

it is your favorite because oftentimes

49:48

when you're dealing with people who

49:50

can't digest food, they're sensitive to

49:52

the world. This is where the biohacks can

49:54

be beneficial. This is where red light can

49:56

come in. This is where, because you're going

49:58

around these things that are... so broken that

50:01

we're able to bio hack into

50:03

the mitochondria and it's helpful. So

50:05

if you can't digest your food

50:07

you should definitely have some alkaline

50:09

water right? Well I don't you

50:11

know I'm not a believer in

50:13

continually drinking alkaline water. I think

50:15

it's a big mistake actually myself.

50:17

I'm being facetious. I'm trying to

50:19

trigger you. Okay, all right, yeah.

50:21

I'm like, oh, I'm not a

50:23

believer. Yeah, I'm not. If you

50:25

drink alkaline water, you turn off

50:27

your stomach acid and you can't

50:29

absorb your stomach acid. You're slightly,

50:31

right? You wonder why pathogens will,

50:33

you know, feast on you. Yeah,

50:35

I'm going to tell you what

50:37

I feel. It's sometime around 1996

50:39

when I was trying to get

50:41

better. I bought this $2,000 alkaline

50:43

water machine from Japan when you

50:45

couldn't get him in the US,

50:47

like the kangen and all that.

50:49

And brother, the king makes perfectly

50:51

good structured water. Just don't turn

50:53

on alkaline, sitting. And I drink

50:55

my alkaline water and I would

50:57

find food undigested in my poop.

50:59

And it took like six months

51:01

really, it's the stupid alkaline water,

51:03

right? And what a waste of

51:05

money. And the CEO of one

51:07

of the major bottled water companies

51:09

is a friend. And I was

51:11

talking about this because one of

51:13

his products is alkaline and he

51:15

says she goes, it's such bullshit.

51:17

Yeah. But everyone wants to buy

51:19

it. So if you're listening to

51:21

the show. Run away from alkaline

51:23

water. It's bad for you. Yes.

51:25

Okay. Gots meant to be out

51:27

acid for a reason, right? I

51:29

mean, it makes no sense. Yeah,

51:31

it's crazy too because, you know,

51:33

when you look at real water.

51:35

Right. It's like what water is

51:37

running at these alkaline numbers. It

51:39

kills fish. Like it's stupid. This

51:41

makes no sense. People. Okay. So

51:43

we don't do that. Don't do

51:45

that. So we increase our energy.

51:47

This is by eating enough calories.

51:49

Yeah. I mean, look, there's so

51:51

many things here that apply. Right.

51:53

But what I want people to

51:55

understand is that the energy of

51:57

the cell is everything. There's something

51:59

called the Gibbs free energy equation.

52:01

As cellular energy drops, inflammation rises,

52:03

right? And if cellular energy drops

52:05

in the Gibbs free energy equation,

52:07

glutathion drops and then inflammation increases.

52:09

So the Gibbs free energy, it

52:11

shows you the relationship of energy

52:13

to glutathion. Oh, and there's another

52:15

equation is glutathion drops, methylation drops.

52:17

So it's a stress on methylation,

52:19

right? It's like. Look gene and

52:21

SNIP testing is fun, but really

52:23

it's you know I didn't have

52:25

a snip and my methylation I

52:27

couldn't methylate at all stress plays

52:29

into methylation. This is our five.

52:31

So we're gonna get to our

52:33

five because it's reestablishing methylation pathways

52:35

which are hugely important. It's but

52:37

it's not as simple as just

52:39

oh I have the gene you

52:41

know methylation is important for so

52:43

many different functions that the body

52:45

will prioritize and we'll get to

52:47

that. But let's figure out, let's,

52:49

you know, the energy of the

52:51

cell, if it's not restored, you

52:53

know, then the problem is, is

52:55

it's very difficult to restore any

52:57

of the detox pathways. It's very

52:59

difficult to restore methylation. It's very

53:01

difficult to drive down the inflammation,

53:03

which is our number four. is

53:05

cellular inflammation. So on the energy

53:07

front, in order to fix that,

53:10

fixing membranes helps, and then you

53:12

take things like PQQQ10, CQ10, what

53:14

else? So I built a lot

53:16

of products that have all those

53:18

things in it, right? Because back

53:20

when I was doing it, I

53:22

didn't have one product. I didn't

53:24

have one product. I was putting

53:26

things together. I was experimenting with,

53:28

you know, all these things that

53:30

worked in, in fact, the mitochondria.

53:32

Right. the benefits of red light.

53:34

I didn't have it, right? And

53:36

again, I got well without it,

53:38

but my gosh, I think to

53:40

myself, you know, how much easier

53:42

could it have been because that

53:44

was, that's a big problem is

53:46

getting people cell energy enough up

53:48

where they can actually start to

53:50

heal. It's shocking what happens. just

53:52

10 minutes, people with chronic pain,

53:54

which is ultimately, there's a mitochondrial

53:56

issue there. You put red light

53:58

on them and magically their pain

54:00

goes down a lot and then

54:02

you give them some charcoal, which

54:04

is a toxin binder, and the

54:06

next day they're like, oh, it

54:08

doesn't hurt. Like, who would have

54:10

thought? Yeah. So we get our

54:12

energy up with red light with

54:14

some supplements and all that, and

54:16

there's many ways. I mean, we've

54:18

both read books about that one.

54:20

So what's after that is methylation?

54:22

Yeah, no, that our four is

54:24

just, we kind of hit on

54:26

this, but you have to reduce

54:28

the inflammation of the cell. This

54:30

is where a lot of my

54:32

diet strategies play. And of course,

54:34

I've developed a lot of products

54:36

around cellular inflammation. Right. And I

54:38

talked about when your membranes are

54:40

inflamed, your hormones don't where you

54:42

can't get it. So we kind

54:44

of already talked about the damaging

54:46

effects of inflammation. You know, my

54:48

diet strategies are very different. looks

54:50

for the perfect diet. And I

54:52

said, nah, the perfect diet is

54:54

oftentimes the change of diet. I

54:56

believe people stay low-carb too long.

54:58

Yes, I love low-carb. I believe

55:00

people stay in keto too long.

55:02

Yes. Well, I love keto. Amen.

55:04

I believe people stay in carnivore

55:06

too long. Amen. I believe people

55:08

stay in carnivore too long. Yeah,

55:10

you and I, you know, we

55:12

tend towards the other side. But

55:14

the point is, if you look

55:16

at every... healthy culture that ever

55:18

existed on the planet. They were

55:20

forced to change their diet, whether

55:22

it be animals, foods, this, that,

55:24

I mean, so many reasons, just

55:26

season change, but fact is that

55:28

today we don't have to do

55:30

that, but it's a mistake because

55:32

diet change can actually act in

55:34

that hormoneic stress, where it stresses

55:36

the microbiome and that it forces

55:38

diversity, meaning it forces the microbiome

55:40

to make different. When you go

55:42

from a keto diet or let's

55:44

be more extreme a plant-based diet

55:46

into a keto diet imagine the

55:48

back change to break down these

55:50

foods versus these foods. Well, it's

55:52

pretty vast. So the more diet

55:54

changes you have, the more bacteria

55:56

you are forced to make. And

55:58

they start to create diversity. So

56:00

the number one way, and by

56:02

the way, most people know this,

56:04

diversity is the king, meaning if

56:06

we, healthy people have a lot

56:08

of different bacterias, etc. in their

56:10

gut, they will absolutely have better

56:12

immunity, better brain health, right? So

56:14

diversity roles. I disagree. Tell me.

56:16

Well, it has to be diversity

56:18

of the good guys, because you

56:21

can have diversity that includes all

56:23

the crap. If you have bad

56:25

guys, you don't have diversity. Not

56:27

necessarily. They take over. They monoculture.

56:29

You can have diverse bad guys.

56:31

If a lot of people have

56:33

20 different bad bacteria in their

56:35

guys, right? 20s. 20s not diversity,

56:37

though. We're talking thousands. I mean,

56:39

20 different types. So I'm just

56:41

saying, like, what we see is,

56:43

when people have like 20 bad

56:45

guys. It drops the population so

56:47

much so that the diversity looks

56:49

horrible. That makes good sense. Anytime

56:51

you see a lot of bad

56:53

guys, you see horrible diversity. It's

56:55

because it's like mold. It's called

56:57

amplified mold. If you have stachybotrous,

56:59

you go, what happened to all

57:01

these other normal bacteria in the

57:03

home? This guy killed them all.

57:05

Correct. That makes sense. Yeah. Okay.

57:07

I love the challenge though, but

57:09

anyway, so yeah, because I love

57:11

that. I'm the guy who'd be

57:13

like, wow, I didn't know that.

57:15

I'm actually wrong. I'm good with

57:17

that. We're both flirting for me.

57:19

Yeah, absolutely. I love that. But

57:21

anyway, so the diversity, right, but

57:23

diet change creates that diversity that

57:25

we need. And it does other

57:27

thing. It actually, when you change

57:29

your diet, it creates a hormone

57:31

optimization, literally. I believe in seasonal

57:33

change. Our bacteria was never... evolved

57:35

to say on Monday I had

57:37

Mexican Tuesday, I had Thai, you

57:39

know, Wednesday I had Ukrainian, like,

57:41

it seems like eating random food

57:43

all the time is not what

57:45

I think. Yeah, I mean, this

57:47

seasonal changes what we see, right?

57:49

Yeah, that's what we see. There

57:51

is, in part of my feast

57:53

famine cycling, it's different diet change,

57:55

I agree with what you're saying,

57:57

but feast famine cycling, what type

57:59

of diet change is this? Let

58:01

me use low carve as an

58:03

example, okay, but this could also

58:05

be used for why people are

58:07

intermittent fasting too much, right? So,

58:09

you know, I've taught correct fasting

58:11

for years, and I never thought

58:13

that I'd be here today saying,

58:15

you know, people are fasting too

58:17

much, fasting can be very bad.

58:19

Fine lasting is a stress, you

58:21

know, fasting. Yeah. So anyways, but

58:23

okay, so people in low-carb too

58:25

long, and this happened, right? Joe

58:27

Mercola came to me, we were

58:29

a cancer con thing, and he

58:31

said, Doc, he said, man, I

58:33

feel like... I'm down to 10

58:35

grams of carbs a day, but

58:37

I'm getting weaker in the gym

58:39

and I think I'm getting even

58:41

fatter. I said, oh yeah, that's

58:43

because, you know, your body's using

58:45

its muscle because you need to

58:47

increase your carbs. Or does it

58:49

to the extreme? Yeah, now he's

58:51

the extreme, anyway, but anyway, okay,

58:53

so I said just, listen, add

58:55

in two feast days a week

58:57

where you eat good healthy carbs.

58:59

It transformed, right? So I tell

59:01

you, we'll eat the pancakes, low

59:03

toxin or whatever on Saturdays, if

59:05

you're fasting, like you have to

59:07

do that. You have to do

59:09

that. Okay, because we're alone. Here's

59:11

the analogy, right? So the body

59:13

will always eventually think it's starting,

59:15

right? Because it's going, okay, if

59:17

this is the only thing we're

59:19

burning, able to burn, I'm going

59:21

to hold on to it, and

59:23

the metabolism will continue to drop.

59:25

bodybuilders figured this out a long

59:27

time ago. They would carb load

59:29

before competition and come and rip.

59:32

So I challenge people at a

59:34

feast day where you increase your

59:36

carbs and watch what happens to.

59:38

days later your ketones are gonna

59:40

go through the roof which they

59:42

always do because your body then

59:44

leaves your muscle alone it says

59:46

we have all this fuel now

59:48

you're not starving and I'm gonna

59:50

burn your fat now so the

59:52

analogy is if you have a

59:54

cabin in the middle of Alaska

59:56

right and you have a certain

59:58

amount of wood that you know

1:00:00

gets you through the winter right

1:00:02

this winter is really bad winter

1:00:04

it's a harsh winter and you

1:00:06

went through you're going to burn

1:00:08

less You're going to have to

1:00:10

conserve? Yeah, that's right. Because you

1:00:12

want to survive the winter. Yep.

1:00:14

Just like your body wants to

1:00:16

survive. First thing, have to survive,

1:00:18

right? So you're going to burn

1:00:20

less. That's lowering your metabolism, meaning

1:00:22

instead of being 70 in your

1:00:24

house in the winter, you're going

1:00:26

to go to 70 in your

1:00:28

house in the winter, you're going

1:00:30

to go to 60 in your

1:00:32

60. But I'm going to go

1:00:34

to 60 in the, but I'm

1:00:36

going to go 70 in your

1:00:38

house in the winter. going to

1:00:40

warm up that. That's right. That's

1:00:42

the feast, man. That's what the

1:00:44

feast does. Now Dave says, I

1:00:46

have plenty of wood now, so

1:00:48

I'm going to burn more and

1:00:50

you fire up the engine. And

1:00:52

that's what your body does on

1:00:54

feast days. So we have all

1:00:56

these people that are low-card too

1:00:58

long, intermittent fasting too much, and

1:01:00

their body is literally starving, and

1:01:02

it goes into a survival mode,

1:01:04

and they wonder why they don't

1:01:06

have enough cellular energy, and they

1:01:08

wonder why they're gaining fat and

1:01:10

losing fat and losing muscle. The

1:01:12

Bulletproof Diet was the first modern

1:01:14

intermittent fasting book as far as

1:01:16

I'm aware. And like three books

1:01:18

later, I wrote Fast This Way,

1:01:20

my second book on fasting, because

1:01:22

everybody started over fasting. It's a

1:01:24

scalpel. And you don't need to

1:01:26

use a scalpel for everything in

1:01:28

your home. You'll get holes in

1:01:30

your couch. It doesn't work. Fastings

1:01:32

is stress. Yeah. Okay, so if

1:01:34

your body adapts, it's awesome. But

1:01:36

here's the other thing, too. But

1:01:38

here's the other thing, too. I

1:01:40

love water fasting because I fast

1:01:42

a lot, but most people today

1:01:44

metabolically, they can't even handle a

1:01:46

water fast. Why does it go

1:01:48

after the muscle right away? And

1:01:50

it doesn't bounce out of it

1:01:52

because they're so broken in their

1:01:54

mitochondria, right? And that's where you

1:01:56

use fat for energy. But you

1:01:58

know, so some people are better

1:02:00

off starting with partial fasting and

1:02:02

then, you know, later. But the

1:02:04

point is is that people are

1:02:06

just fasting because they hear people

1:02:08

do it and sometimes they feel

1:02:10

better just because, you know, they're

1:02:12

taking away foods that we're inflaming

1:02:14

them. They're not eating garbage. And

1:02:16

oftentimes what works. people get locked

1:02:18

into what diet works they get

1:02:20

locked into what fasting they get

1:02:22

locked into okay yeah these are

1:02:24

good topics because people are confused

1:02:26

on these subjects there's one toxin

1:02:28

you didn't mention and i've come

1:02:30

over the past maybe five years

1:02:32

to think that that i wrote

1:02:34

about it at the beginning of

1:02:36

the bulletproof diet book but i

1:02:38

think i under i under index

1:02:41

on how important it is and

1:02:43

it's oxalate well i mean oxalates

1:02:45

They're plant toxins, lectins are plant

1:02:47

toxins, right? Now, we might disagree

1:02:49

on this, right? But I believe

1:02:51

plant toxins can be very bad,

1:02:53

but they can also be good,

1:02:55

or medically. Depending on the dose,

1:02:57

right? So, depending on the dose.

1:02:59

That's exactly right, depending on the

1:03:01

dose. Depending on the dose. So,

1:03:03

the fact is, is that when

1:03:05

you have leaky gut, the dose

1:03:07

lowers dramatically on what you can

1:03:09

talk about. Well, they can. It's

1:03:11

in higher doses, right doses, right.

1:03:13

show people, okay, and keto too

1:03:15

long is bad, but these plant-based

1:03:17

diets that are loaded up with

1:03:19

oxalates, that's the dose that could

1:03:21

actually drive inflammation. That trashed me

1:03:23

when I was a vegan, but

1:03:25

then, you know, I look at

1:03:27

what would happen, like on a

1:03:29

feast day, back in the Bulletproof

1:03:31

Diet, I'm like, okay, I'll have

1:03:33

some kind of dessert made with

1:03:35

almond flour, and I'll have a

1:03:37

bunch of sweet potatoes, and I'll

1:03:39

have some I was still getting

1:03:41

too much oxalate because we can

1:03:43

handle about 200 milligrams a day

1:03:45

and I was probably getting a

1:03:47

gram and it forms those razor-sharp

1:03:49

crystals. Yeah, they're a little spiky.

1:03:51

Yeah, and they literally cut the

1:03:53

membrane. And I know that I

1:03:55

was getting too much because when

1:03:57

I was eating a lot of

1:03:59

raspberries, I ended up going to

1:04:01

the urologist because I had to

1:04:03

pee like 25 times a day.

1:04:05

and so many women are eating

1:04:07

so many oxalates in their health

1:04:09

foods even on low-carb diets. Well,

1:04:11

the worst, yeah, they're juicing it

1:04:13

all up and then putting it

1:04:15

down and there's no protectors. It

1:04:17

just shreds the gut. Yeah, if

1:04:19

you eat some oxalates with meats

1:04:21

and different things, you have protectors

1:04:23

there. You know, so the dose...

1:04:25

Particularly with calcium. Yeah, exactly. And

1:04:27

with other foods that protect you

1:04:29

from it. Again, it's not... It's

1:04:31

not what you think. I guess

1:04:33

that there's an upper limit and

1:04:35

a lot of people are crossing

1:04:37

over the upper limit I would

1:04:39

say without knowing it. And 80%

1:04:41

of people at autopsy have calcium

1:04:43

oxalate crystals in their thyroid. Like

1:04:45

it is, it is, I'm starting

1:04:47

to believe foundational for a lot

1:04:49

of disease. Yeah, you know, I

1:04:51

wonder how much of it is

1:04:53

because... the amount of massive gut

1:04:55

inflammation and we know when someone's

1:04:57

guts leaky and open that amount

1:04:59

going into their bloodstream becomes even

1:05:01

more normal so again their limit

1:05:03

gets way lower and then they're

1:05:05

still eating this limit. There's leaky

1:05:07

gut and dysbiosis means the small

1:05:09

amount of bacteria not very much

1:05:11

in humans can break it down

1:05:13

and then toxic mold drives oxalate

1:05:15

development inside your metabolism too much

1:05:17

collagen above about 20 grams a

1:05:19

day. drives it, too much glycine

1:05:21

drives it. So we get some

1:05:23

from our metabolic processes, a bunch

1:05:25

from our diet, and we now

1:05:27

have the studies that show it

1:05:29

directly damages mitochondrial membranes and cell

1:05:31

membranes. So I'm like, you've got

1:05:33

chronic muscle pain, joints hurt, and

1:05:35

you have to pee all the

1:05:37

time, you're getting chronic UTIs. I

1:05:39

like to look at oxalate in

1:05:41

the diet and lower it, but

1:05:43

not eliminate it. Especially if someone

1:05:45

already... they have leaky got and

1:05:47

they're already challenged. I mean, you

1:05:49

know, when they take it away,

1:05:52

they feel better, right? They do,

1:05:54

right? I mean, it's, like said,

1:05:56

lectins. I can make an argument

1:05:58

for why lectins are really important

1:06:00

for a microbiome, but if your

1:06:02

guts wide open, you take it

1:06:04

wide open, you take lectins, well,

1:06:06

you go, I feel better. My

1:06:08

digestion is a little bit better,

1:06:10

right, because, you know, there are

1:06:12

things that we should be able

1:06:14

to really as a genetic. Yeah,

1:06:16

but Dave, I wonder if people

1:06:18

had nightshade problems in the 1920s.

1:06:20

I would argue. I think they

1:06:22

did. There wasn't a threat. I

1:06:24

don't know. I don't know the

1:06:26

answer to that, but I would

1:06:28

argue probably not. You answer your

1:06:30

thing. We had arthritis was documented

1:06:32

forever. And the reason I think

1:06:34

it's so genetic. My kids eat

1:06:36

real similar diets. And one of

1:06:38

them has the genes. And I

1:06:40

found out if I eat nightshades.

1:06:42

The arthritis that I was diagnosed

1:06:44

with when I was 14 comes

1:06:46

back in one day, right? And

1:06:48

it just causes systemic inflammation, brain

1:06:50

fog, all that stuff, and my

1:06:52

gut's pretty healthy. One of my

1:06:54

kids has this- You definitely have

1:06:56

a pathway that was damaged, or

1:06:58

to your point, epigenetically triggered, and

1:07:00

you're not able to break it

1:07:02

down. So one kid, few bites

1:07:04

of potatoes, neck hurts, all the

1:07:06

same stuff that I dealt with

1:07:08

for so long, other kid eats

1:07:10

all day long. Either way, like

1:07:12

that three-legged stool, that gene got

1:07:14

triggered. I think so. Was it

1:07:16

triggered from your mother? Maybe. Or

1:07:18

was it triggered in you? Probably.

1:07:20

And now it's in your son.

1:07:22

Exactly. And I think both my

1:07:24

parents have that. But it's fascinating.

1:07:26

We may not ever know for

1:07:28

sure. And the moral of the

1:07:30

story here is, if you eat

1:07:32

something and it consistently causes problems

1:07:34

and you fix your gut, it

1:07:36

may not be a food that's

1:07:38

highly compatible for you. And that's

1:07:40

OK. But it'd be nice if

1:07:42

you could eat it could eat

1:07:44

it. If you could eat it.

1:07:46

So it's cool to hear you

1:07:48

say not all lectins are bad

1:07:50

because I don't believe. that either.

1:07:52

If they don't affect you, then

1:07:54

you want to eat them and

1:07:56

maybe you just want a little

1:07:58

bite because it's triggering changing your

1:08:00

gut bacteria, right? Yeah, I mean

1:08:02

I... Right now, it's like you

1:08:04

said, everyone's going after lectins as

1:08:06

if they're bad, but again, the

1:08:08

premise of Hormesus, you know, stress

1:08:10

can be good. They're plantoxys, they're

1:08:12

stressors to your microbiome, but the

1:08:14

fact is, is that that can

1:08:16

be good, but the fact is,

1:08:18

is that that can be good,

1:08:20

but arguably, too much stress, too

1:08:22

much lectins will be very bad

1:08:24

for you because you won't adapt,

1:08:26

especially if you're already challenged in

1:08:28

your gut, you're not going to

1:08:30

a small. than when I was

1:08:32

sick. When I was sick, I

1:08:34

couldn't handle gluten. I can eat

1:08:36

gluten now, right? It's like because

1:08:38

my body's dealing with it. Do

1:08:40

you have an American gluten? Well,

1:08:42

I can eat it, but do

1:08:44

I want to eat it? No,

1:08:46

I eat Italian gluten. Yeah. Do

1:08:48

I want to eat it? But

1:08:50

I can't. But do you understand?

1:08:52

Not Italian, don't do that. Did

1:08:54

what's going on? Did double zero?

1:08:56

I eat at all time, right?

1:08:58

There's a shortage of Italian gluten.

1:09:00

They're shipping American gluten. Italy, they're

1:09:03

grinding it up. Yeah, oh yeah,

1:09:05

of course, just like the olive

1:09:07

oil. But French gluten is safe.

1:09:09

I ate French, I didn't really

1:09:11

know how it was from French

1:09:13

white flour and... One teaspoon of

1:09:15

American flour trashes. By the way

1:09:17

they did the same thing with

1:09:19

olive oil They send the bad

1:09:21

olive oil to the US So

1:09:23

you have to know your olive

1:09:25

oil to your point you have

1:09:27

to even know your Italian flowers

1:09:29

now But it is a different

1:09:31

gluten. It's a different wheat obviously

1:09:33

and yeah All right I have

1:09:35

but my point there is yeah,

1:09:37

I can eat American gluten and

1:09:39

I have no reaction even with

1:09:41

the glyphosate Organic, I don't even

1:09:43

like what you're saying. But my

1:09:45

point is as I used to

1:09:47

react. Got as the point I

1:09:49

was making. I haven't, I haven't,

1:09:51

I don't feel confident in finding

1:09:53

American gluten, so I don't really

1:09:55

want to test myself. That doesn't

1:09:57

have to say it, but the

1:09:59

fact that I can eat some

1:10:01

sourdough, which is well fermented, has

1:10:03

like, holy crap, I would have

1:10:05

told you there's no chance I

1:10:07

could ever touch gluten again, but

1:10:09

I've also. Like we're talking about.

1:10:11

Yeah, so I was just going

1:10:13

to say. Yeah, it doesn't seem

1:10:15

like making me fat. Oh, no.

1:10:17

Okay. There's something about detox that

1:10:19

you're one of the only people

1:10:21

who are really talking about this.

1:10:23

What's the role of emotional trauma

1:10:25

with toxins and even spiritual awakening?

1:10:27

What role do toxins play in

1:10:29

those? When I was sick. You

1:10:31

know, it was very hard for

1:10:33

me to think positively. Right, you

1:10:35

know, I mean, so when people

1:10:37

say just think positive, I guess

1:10:39

you've never been sick because you

1:10:41

know, it's really hard to get

1:10:43

your head around it. Thanks for

1:10:45

saying that. Yeah, and So it

1:10:47

gives you a lot of sympathy

1:10:49

and empathy for people and you

1:10:51

know, also spiritually You know, I

1:10:53

mean, I you get massively disconnected.

1:10:55

Listen my wife. This is a

1:10:57

true story. I mean her crying

1:10:59

out for an answer for our

1:11:01

family for me I had two

1:11:03

young boys at the time, five

1:11:05

kids now. It was hard, right?

1:11:07

And she, literally on her knees,

1:11:09

probably many times, this particular time,

1:11:11

God spoke to her heart that

1:11:13

not only is he going to

1:11:15

get me well, but I'm going

1:11:17

to take an answer to the

1:11:19

world. A message to the world

1:11:21

was her exact quote. And when

1:11:23

she would tell me that, I

1:11:25

didn't want to hear it, Dave.

1:11:27

I didn't, because my exact words

1:11:29

to her were, I can't even

1:11:31

get myself well. Yeah, I mean

1:11:33

that's my negativity and honestly there

1:11:35

I wanted to die I did

1:11:37

I wasn't planning suicide although I

1:11:39

thought about it Mm-hmm because for

1:11:41

me living death was far less

1:11:43

scary than living my life like

1:11:45

I was Yeah, that was my

1:11:47

reality at that point. I think

1:11:49

you just gave a gift to

1:11:51

a lot of people with mold

1:11:53

and these these illness, everything feels

1:11:55

impossible because it's so big and

1:11:57

you might have conjurer not making

1:11:59

energy. So it is big because

1:12:01

you just don't. have it, my

1:12:03

experience is that Madhocondra are the

1:12:05

antennas that make life force, but

1:12:07

they also allow you to connect

1:12:09

spiritual, like they're the interface to

1:12:12

the spiritual reality. And when they're

1:12:14

broken, you can't connect to the

1:12:16

spiritual source. It's hard to connect

1:12:18

other people, and it sucks on

1:12:20

a level that people haven't really

1:12:22

sick, may not understand. I mean,

1:12:24

I was trying to drive my

1:12:26

wife away, I think, you know,

1:12:28

out of guilt, out of my

1:12:30

own, I don't know. And looking

1:12:32

back, but she hung in there,

1:12:34

man. You know, and you know,

1:12:36

here I am today because what

1:12:38

she said is right or God

1:12:40

through her was right, you know,

1:12:42

taking a message to the world,

1:12:44

pain to purpose, to promise. That's

1:12:46

the problem. That was the promise,

1:12:48

by the way. So pain to

1:12:50

purpose, by the way. So pain

1:12:52

to purpose, I closed that loop

1:12:54

of why I've added the pain

1:12:56

to purpose to the promise. Do

1:12:58

people give you a hard time

1:13:00

about bringing God into medicine? You

1:13:02

don't like it? Go somewhere else.

1:13:04

Yeah, exactly. I can't not be

1:13:06

it because that's just that he

1:13:08

Yeah, it's it's every he's everything

1:13:10

to me and that's me and

1:13:12

again I I'm so glad I

1:13:14

live in a country that I

1:13:16

can be me and you could

1:13:18

be you and he can be

1:13:20

he and she could be he

1:13:22

or her and it's like but

1:13:24

I'm me so I always say

1:13:26

thank you for allowing me to

1:13:28

be me to be me. There

1:13:30

you go. It's it's been an

1:13:32

interesting shift in Silicon any kind

1:13:34

of spirituality or Christianity, which is

1:13:36

the most shunned type, you'd almost

1:13:38

get communicated from the tech community,

1:13:40

right? Because you weren't logical. And

1:13:42

where things are in Silicon Valley

1:13:44

today is actually there's a rise

1:13:46

in Christianity. I didn't know that.

1:13:48

Yeah, it's actually happening in a

1:13:50

very interesting way. I think Peter

1:13:52

Thiel has maybe played a meaningful

1:13:54

role in that. who's a very

1:13:56

interesting human being. He's the first

1:13:58

guy to offer to fund bulletproof

1:14:00

back when I ran below. He

1:14:02

said, you know, I'll put a

1:14:04

half a million dollars in if

1:14:06

you'll build a coffee shop by

1:14:08

my office or my home. And

1:14:10

I said, Peter, there's no foot

1:14:12

traffic by your office or your

1:14:14

home. So that would be a

1:14:16

bad investment. And I didn't take

1:14:18

the money. But it was really

1:14:20

cool and just watched him say,

1:14:22

well, this is what I believe.

1:14:24

You know, he's also gay. So

1:14:26

he's like, I'm just going to

1:14:28

be me. Right. And I respect

1:14:30

the hell out of that. And

1:14:32

so. Seeing the shift where people

1:14:34

are saying there is a role

1:14:36

for spirituality in Medicine and in

1:14:38

healing and if you don't have

1:14:40

purpose and connection You might just

1:14:42

hold on to that lead in

1:14:44

mercury and mold toxin way harder

1:14:46

and Is there evidence for that?

1:14:48

Well, there is because you know

1:14:50

the emotions the spirit the emotion

1:14:52

and the body all work together

1:14:54

right and people we all have

1:14:56

trapped emotions Same place in the

1:14:58

cell at the cell level that

1:15:00

affects our DNA. Listen Bruce Lipton,

1:15:02

we both read his book, right?

1:15:04

But wasn't he the first to

1:15:06

bring science to it? You met

1:15:08

him? Yeah, oh, yeah. He's a

1:15:10

great guy. Oh my gosh. But

1:15:12

he was like the first to

1:15:14

make it popular. The science around,

1:15:16

wait a minute. Okay, I told

1:15:18

you everyone that the membrane on

1:15:20

the cell membrane are these receptors

1:15:23

to our hormones. That's pretty easy.

1:15:25

What he showed was that membrane

1:15:27

and those receptors, integral membrane proteins.

1:15:29

Your thoughts too, in a wave

1:15:31

life, come in and they... attached

1:15:33

to that receptor and then get

1:15:35

that the message goes in the

1:15:37

cell and you know that then

1:15:39

will tell your cells you know

1:15:41

to produce certain proteins yeah and

1:15:43

then those proteins are who we

1:15:45

are and who we become so

1:15:47

your thoughts become who we are

1:15:49

right for the for better for

1:15:51

worse right there that's science so

1:15:53

yeah the fact is is that

1:15:55

when our thoughts are negative you

1:15:57

know that's trapped in those cells

1:15:59

just like toxins and we become

1:16:01

that Right, so you can't separate

1:16:03

it. Without the biology of belief,

1:16:05

his big book, I don't think

1:16:07

there would be biocke it was

1:16:09

really, oh yeah, the environment really

1:16:11

provably does change our biology. For

1:16:13

better force. Exactly. A lot of people don't

1:16:15

know this about Bruce Lipton. He's a

1:16:17

hardcore cell biologist. He's a membrane guy.

1:16:19

He was one of the first guys

1:16:21

to like clone cells in a lab,

1:16:23

but like he's not a, you know,

1:16:25

hippie-dippy guy, which some people would think,

1:16:27

he's as scientific as he gets. He

1:16:29

just did what he saw in the

1:16:31

lab. and wrote the book and started

1:16:34

the whole movement there on genetics. What

1:16:36

book was this in? This is a

1:16:38

story. The biology of beliefs. No, no,

1:16:40

this story. Oh, this is true. I

1:16:42

don't think his book has the cell

1:16:44

biotics. I interviewed him and he told

1:16:46

me about it. That's why. Okay, so they

1:16:48

took a Japanese man from World War II.

1:16:50

My dad was in World War II. So

1:16:53

a lot of traum. God. Yeah. So they

1:16:55

took him and they showed him scenes

1:16:57

of World War II. They were under the

1:16:59

microscope, they were watching his cells. Wow.

1:17:02

And they would write down when the

1:17:04

cells would react in a violent or

1:17:06

manner, visibly react. They would mark the

1:17:08

time, 128, you know, 220. Out of

1:17:10

the guy's body. Out of the guy's

1:17:13

body. Okay. And they would document it.

1:17:15

And it was every time the scenes,

1:17:17

they could see, and it would correlate.

1:17:19

So they did something else. They took

1:17:21

them 50 miles away. They're quantumly

1:17:23

entangled, doesn't matter how far. And it

1:17:25

still happens. So yeah, I mean, so

1:17:28

if that doesn't get you to understand,

1:17:30

you know, that, that connection. That sounds

1:17:32

like that might be one of the

1:17:34

heart math books. Yeah, that was my

1:17:36

question. I thought, yeah. It's, I don't

1:17:39

remember the Japanese guy. I hate saying

1:17:41

the story without giving credit when I

1:17:43

read it. I didn't forget. And it's.

1:17:45

What it means, and certainly my new

1:17:47

book heavily meditated, is like what is

1:17:50

the process for removing trauma all the

1:17:52

way down to the subcellular level so

1:17:54

that your entire being becomes non-reactive

1:17:57

to something that was formerly a

1:17:59

trauma? And that's been a lot

1:18:01

of my last 20 years personally

1:18:04

and there's a neuroscience way of

1:18:06

measuring it in a kind of

1:18:08

an eight-step process. Yeah. What's your

1:18:10

favorite way of removing emotional trauma?

1:18:13

Oh boy, I mean, and my

1:18:15

thing is my prayer time, that's

1:18:17

my meditation time, start every morning.

1:18:19

I mean, look, and that is

1:18:21

gratitude. You know, vitamin G, man,

1:18:23

I mean, it is, you know, that's everything. You

1:18:26

know, it just, it anchors, it

1:18:28

anchors me. to who I am who God

1:18:30

created me to be and what for and

1:18:32

I'm just gratitude I have so much

1:18:34

gratitude around them, but you know I do

1:18:37

it's it's part of my day. I'm

1:18:39

so great today started the same way

1:18:41

as I do every day. I'm gratitude has

1:18:43

been a part of the the biohacking

1:18:45

movement for a long time and where I

1:18:47

am today is you need to take

1:18:49

the right supplements on the right order

1:18:51

so I start with vitamin G and

1:18:54

then you got to take vitamin F

1:18:56

right away afterwards. And so vitamin G

1:18:58

is gratitude vitamin F is forgiveness.

1:19:00

So gratitude opens that state that allows

1:19:03

you to do forgiveness, which is a

1:19:05

process of being non-reactive to trauma. And

1:19:07

there's nothing to do with topics when

1:19:09

you forgive them or saying that it's

1:19:11

just about. it no longer left a

1:19:14

mark. It's like cleaning yourself up, which

1:19:16

is a form of detoxing. And I

1:19:18

have had multiple people tell me with

1:19:20

their patients, oh, they do EMDR, they

1:19:22

do emotional release work, they do trauma

1:19:24

work, and suddenly the metals come out

1:19:26

in their pee. But they hold on

1:19:28

to the metals, as long as they

1:19:30

hold on to the toxins. Do you

1:19:32

see that? Because if they're both stored

1:19:35

in the cell, that means that they

1:19:37

both affect your detox path ways. So

1:19:39

therefore... The toxins then are affected. Correct.

1:19:41

Yeah, you see, so you can't separate

1:19:43

it. And you know, I used to

1:19:45

always say to people when I took very

1:19:47

challenging cases on, I would, I would,

1:19:50

I got very good at knowing

1:19:52

when people had a lot of

1:19:54

their toxin traumas, right, toxic traumas.

1:19:57

And I wouldn't take them on

1:19:59

because I knew. that those are the ones

1:20:01

I couldn't help. And not that they

1:20:03

can't be helped. They're patients who sue

1:20:05

you too. Absolutely. And it's not that

1:20:08

they can't be helped. I just what

1:20:10

I always would say I'm just not

1:20:12

the expert. Yeah. And I'm still not

1:20:14

the expert there. You know, sex. So

1:20:16

I just I know my expert there.

1:20:19

You know, sex. So I just I

1:20:21

know my limitations. For them. I know

1:20:23

my limitations. I know my limitations. I

1:20:25

know my limitations. I know my limitations.

1:20:27

I know my limitations. you know toxic

1:20:30

trauma where people that's not my

1:20:32

expertise it's just not well then

1:20:34

I I very much respect that

1:20:36

take and I respect the way

1:20:38

you just stand up for being

1:20:41

yourself and you've trained a lot

1:20:43

of physicians long gone this new

1:20:45

way of thinking of cell membrane

1:20:47

centric toxin centric the frameworks you're

1:20:49

using They're useful for doctors. They're

1:20:52

also useful for people who just

1:20:54

are sick and tired of being

1:20:56

sick. So thanks for just putting

1:20:58

it out there, the books you

1:21:00

write, the courses you teach. I

1:21:03

appreciate you coming out as well.

1:21:05

Well, I appreciate what you've done

1:21:07

too. Because you put some great

1:21:09

stuff on the map. So thank

1:21:12

you as well. I'm honored to

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