Rebranding 'the world's most dangerous private army'

Rebranding 'the world's most dangerous private army'

Released Thursday, 17th October 2024
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Rebranding 'the world's most dangerous private army'

Thursday, 17th October 2024
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NPR. A

0:12

little over a year ago, something

0:14

mysterious happened in the skies over

0:16

Russia. Caught on camera, unverified footage

0:19

of the plane tumbling from the

0:21

sky with a missing wing then

0:23

bursting into flames north of Moscow.

0:26

Unbelievably on board that plane, a

0:28

man named Yevgeny Pragozhin, the head

0:31

of a company, a private military

0:33

contractor, hired by Russian President Vladimir

0:35

Putin. Ten bodies have been recovered.

0:38

President Putin didn't confirm Pragozhin's death,

0:40

but spoke of him in the

0:42

past tense. I

0:46

knew Pragozhin for a very long time. He

0:48

was a man with a complicated fate, and

0:50

he made serious mistakes in life. This

0:53

ominous sequence of events may have been

0:55

the end of Pragozhin, but it wasn't

0:57

the end for the private army he

0:59

built, the Wagner Group. This

1:05

is the Indicator for Planet Money. I'm Adrian Ma. Today

1:08

on the show, I talk to Sean McFate,

1:10

who studies mercenary groups. And

1:12

he explains how the Wagner Group was

1:14

rebranded, why he's called it

1:17

the world's most dangerous private army,

1:19

and how Wagner's business model creates

1:21

a blueprint for others to follow.

1:48

Listen to the How to Do Everything podcast

1:50

from NPR. Dan

8:01

and Chad and Regina Faso.

8:04

And they're trying to create

8:06

this swath of

8:08

Russian-influenced territory and

8:11

also that they extract natural resources

8:13

like gold and diamonds, which they

8:15

smuggle into Russia to fund the

8:18

war in Ukraine. And

8:20

so the basic business model of the

8:22

Wagner Group continues in Africa under

8:25

new management. And it's

8:27

going to produce 5,000 more mercenaries that

8:30

are skilled in Africa. Because

8:33

remember, they're in an industry

8:35

vested in conflict and the

8:37

most conflict-prone continent in the

8:39

world. And if that scenario

8:41

were not concerning enough, Sean

8:43

says Wagner's business model has created

8:45

a sort of blueprint for other

8:48

mercenary groups to follow. We're

8:50

going to see probably more of that,

8:53

especially as the world turns to

8:55

rare earth minerals over, say, oil.

8:58

The only places left to tap

9:00

in the world are under conflict

9:02

zones like Afghanistan and Africa. And

9:05

it's going to take pirate oil companies and

9:07

mining companies to go in there protected

9:10

by bands of mercenaries. So

9:12

there's a lot of opportunity for

9:14

this model to develop in the decades to

9:17

come. Kind of a scary

9:19

thing to think about. Well, it

9:21

is because I think what oil was to the

9:24

20th century, rare earths are becoming

9:26

to the 21st. Because everything that

9:28

sounds like electronics in it is

9:30

powered by rare earths. I

9:32

can't help but wonder whether

9:34

what Wagner is doing,

9:37

kind of at the behest of Vladimir Putin,

9:40

is something that the US should worry about.

9:43

The US has missed some

9:45

opportunities. The mercenary army of

9:48

Wagner and the Russian military

9:50

have this ongoing friction between the two

9:52

of them, which is frankly

9:55

pretty typical history between private

9:57

and public warriors. And

9:59

we should have...

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