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contains references to

1:44

graphic violence, murder

1:46

and suicidal ideation

1:49

and may not be

1:51

suitable for everyone. In

1:54

April 2005, 43-year-old Iron White

1:56

was found dead in her

1:58

home in Dundas. in what

2:00

is now regarded as one

2:03

of the most violent and

2:05

frenzied killings in Irish history.

2:07

We had a lady who had

2:10

been stabbed 34 times in a

2:12

throat cut and she was found

2:14

propped up against the

2:16

dishwasher. There was a lot

2:19

of blood overturned tables, chairs,

2:21

broken delf, and there was

2:24

footprints in her blood leading

2:26

from her body to outside.

2:29

It was really an horrendous

2:31

scene. I can only imagine

2:34

her mother finding Irene that

2:36

Martinike. The subsequent investigation would

2:38

last for over a decade,

2:41

eventually leading to the conviction

2:43

of two men, Anthony Lam,

2:45

and Nile Power, both of whom

2:47

claimed they were acting under orders.

2:49

My overall taught on it

2:51

at the moment, and at

2:54

the time, was to the

2:56

word three people involved. Detective

2:59

Pat Marry and his team's

3:01

efforts to solve the crime

3:04

proved pivotal, with dogged detective

3:06

work being carried out in

3:08

Ireland and as further

3:10

afield as Australia. The Australian

3:13

police woman said, oh, I

3:15

have some Irish police

3:17

here. Oh my God,

3:19

she said, straighter, what

3:22

kept it? What kept it?

3:24

But with the suspected mastermind

3:26

of the crimes still at large,

3:28

can this case ever truly be

3:30

closed? I'm Tabitha Monaghan and today

3:33

on the Indo Daily I'm joined

3:35

by Pat Mari, former Garda detective

3:37

and co-author of the new book

3:39

The Ice House Murder, The Killing

3:41

of Irene White, to examine one

3:43

of Ireland's most prolific murder

3:46

cases from the perspective of

3:48

the man tasked with solving

3:50

it. But

3:53

it's been 20 years now

3:55

since the brutal murder of

3:57

Irene White. Can you recall

3:59

the day... first heard her name

4:01

and then how you became involved

4:03

in this case? Yeah, in 2005

4:05

I was a detective sergeant

4:07

in Balbriggin and at that particular

4:10

year I was dealing with the

4:12

Joe O'Reilly case. Obviously I

4:14

knew of the Irene white murder

4:16

and Balbriggin was part of the

4:19

allowed me a division at the time

4:21

so it was a murder within the

4:23

division and we were all very interested

4:25

in it but that was it.

4:28

It was just her name and

4:30

Then I heard two people were

4:32

arrested and questioned and released and

4:35

that type of stuff. I wasn't

4:37

heavily involved at all in it.

4:39

It was just through newspaper reports

4:42

and reports that came down through

4:44

to guard a system. And that

4:47

was it until 2010 when I

4:49

was appointed as a detective inspector

4:51

in the Loud Division. Not only

4:53

had I got ongoing cases,

4:56

but... legacy cases came my way

4:58

and one of them was Irene

5:00

White. I remember taking down Irene

5:02

White's box and opening it

5:05

and looking in it and

5:07

I remember looking at the

5:09

photographs and I remember distinctly

5:11

looking at the footprints in blood

5:13

at our body and thinking, I wonder

5:16

what I find out who left those

5:18

prints, who was in those, that was

5:20

it, that was the start of it

5:22

for me, you know? Can you tell

5:25

us a little bit about Irene and

5:27

the life that she led prior to

5:29

her killing? Yeah Irene was born

5:31

in October 1961 and she lived

5:34

in Omead with her mother, her

5:36

other sister Anne and she had

5:38

a brother who was tragically killed

5:40

on the road. So she was

5:42

just left to herself and her

5:44

sister Anne. Now Irene was a

5:46

very cheerful happy child and

5:48

growing up she was very well

5:51

liked at school and school and...

5:53

in 14-age years and that and

5:55

in 1986 she met a guy

5:57

that had a relationship. and

6:00

they had a child

6:02

Jennifer McBride and Jennifer

6:04

was instrumental in this

6:06

investigation at their later

6:08

stages and how she

6:10

contributed to the crime call program

6:13

and that but anyway in

6:15

1996 they had broken up and

6:17

at that stage Irene had met

6:19

a guy by the name of

6:21

Alan Weiss he was in the

6:23

security business and that and she

6:25

went working for him and she

6:27

ended up living in and moving

6:30

into the house, the ice house

6:32

in Dundalk and to the main

6:34

road in Dundalk. As her life

6:36

progressed or maybe not

6:39

progressed, you know, a

6:41

relationship with Alan turned

6:43

sour, she couldn't handle

6:45

it anymore and the

6:47

relationship broke up, but she

6:50

was probably finding it

6:52

tough financially because her

6:54

husband had... departed the

6:56

house at that stage so she was

6:59

left there on her own with the

7:01

children in the ice house

7:03

but anyway she did make it

7:05

known to a garden made a

7:07

statement that she she was in

7:10

fear of Alan White and she

7:12

said in it that Alan said to

7:14

her you won't know the time of

7:16

the hour but I'll get you and

7:18

I'll have an alibi you know

7:20

so she was in fear she was

7:22

apprehensive to say the least you know.

7:25

You weren't a part of the initial

7:27

investigation as you said it became

7:29

one of these legacy cases that

7:31

you took on but What can

7:33

you tell us about that initial

7:36

investigation? It was extensive. Yeah, the

7:38

detectives at the time done a

7:40

very good job and following up

7:42

all the leads they possibly could

7:45

and taking statements and analyzing what

7:47

came into the incident room. They

7:49

were in a position that they

7:51

could arrest two people on suspicion

7:53

of withholding information into the murder

7:56

of Irene Weiss, which they did

7:58

and unfortunately their efforts. in question

8:00

these people was not

8:02

very fruitful. So there was no

8:05

case to be answered by the

8:07

two people who were arrested. Pass,

8:09

a major breakthrough did arrive in

8:11

this case in 2013 with a

8:14

phone call. What happened there? Yeah,

8:16

well this was at a time

8:18

when the cold case review

8:20

team had the file and

8:23

were investigating it and they

8:25

received three anonymous calls from

8:27

a lady. in Australia, who

8:30

confided in them that a

8:32

guy by the name of Anthony

8:34

Lamb had confessed to her that he

8:36

had killed Irene White, why he

8:38

killed her, how he killed her and

8:40

all to do with it. She was at

8:42

the time living in Ireland.

8:44

He didn't live that terribly

8:46

far from her. He used to

8:49

call in every Christmas and

8:51

this was no different this

8:53

Christmas and he told her

8:55

this. and she thought he was having her

8:57

on like you know and then he went

8:59

on to show how he killed her and

9:01

she got a bit of a frice and

9:03

she couldn't wait to get him out of

9:05

the house and she remembers when he

9:08

got out of the house and got into

9:10

his car she watched the lights of

9:12

his car going out to driveway she

9:14

was delighted that he was gone because

9:16

she got a little bit of afraid

9:18

a little bit upset so she

9:20

started researching and looking at what

9:23

he had told her as opposed

9:25

to what media reports had was

9:27

in the paper and anyway a year

9:29

passed she hadn't said anybody and

9:31

her parents said how come Anthony

9:34

is now around this Christmas he

9:36

calls every Christmas and she said

9:38

I'm not surprised he didn't call

9:40

considering what he told me

9:43

last Christmas. Did he say why

9:45

pass? He just said he was got

9:47

to do it by another person and even

9:49

says it. He was told Irene White was

9:51

a bad bitch and she needed to be

9:53

taken out. And he was at a time

9:56

in his life when he was sort

9:58

of even a very intense... guy

10:00

put down and out he was on

10:02

drugs, he was drinking a lot,

10:04

he had huge debt for a man

10:06

of his age and with no means.

10:08

He was in a total mess and

10:10

he saw this as an opportunity

10:12

to make money to pay off his

10:14

debts and you know that's that's

10:17

basically why he did it was

10:19

for the money. I can imagine

10:21

when at the cold case team

10:23

are investigating something another case like

10:26

this and they... do the publicity

10:28

and all the rest and then

10:30

they get a phone call like

10:32

this. That must be an extraordinary

10:35

development. Oh yeah, this was a

10:37

big change and Detective Tracy in

10:39

the cold case review team took

10:42

the calls, all three calls and

10:44

she explained she wouldn't give her

10:46

name, she wouldn't say where she was

10:48

from, she wouldn't divulge where

10:50

she was working in Australia or

10:52

anything of that nature, but she

10:55

did give three major clues. in

10:57

the three phone calls. And one of

10:59

them was that she was still

11:01

friendly with him on Facebook.

11:03

And she didn't want to take

11:05

her picture off Facebook or befriend

11:07

them because she thought he might

11:10

get mad. And she said she just

11:12

left it. And she said, the first

11:14

time she met Anthony Lam, was

11:16

in the gateop when she was

11:18

at school and the third thing

11:20

that she had said in the

11:23

conversations with Detective Tracy is that

11:25

the last time she saw Anthony

11:27

Lam was at a gym in

11:30

Monaghan, he was in the gym

11:32

at the same time. So they

11:34

were the only three clues. Now

11:36

the cold case review team should

11:39

have been able to trace her

11:41

by evaluating the Facebook account

11:43

of Anthony Lam. However, And

11:45

we all make mistakes. The

11:48

cold case review team slipped

11:50

up by reviewing the wrong

11:52

Antony Lamb. The Antony

11:54

Lamb that we were concerned with

11:57

was a guy called Anton

11:59

O'Loon. who had changed his name

12:01

to Irish and he was on

12:03

Facebook and it wasn't the Anthony

12:06

Lamb that the cold case review

12:08

team were looking at. So with that

12:10

we flipped it and looked at

12:12

Antonio Loone and a lot of

12:15

fairness, Antonio Loone and the

12:17

Anthony Lamb that the cold case

12:19

were looking at, they weren't too

12:21

un similar but when we started

12:24

looking at that we were able

12:26

to discover that of all the

12:28

female persons on That's an old

12:30

age group. So it showed that

12:33

she went to 30 female friends

12:35

and we narrowed it down to

12:37

60. And then we were

12:39

looking at each one of them

12:42

and we went and just got

12:44

all the reports of gale talks

12:46

back when she would have been

12:48

17 18, that age group. So

12:51

it showed that she went to

12:53

the gale talk in Galway and

12:55

Anthony Lam was there as a

12:57

helper. We were able to narrow

13:00

that down then to two or

13:02

three and then we sort of

13:04

looked at the last aspect of

13:06

it. She said the last time

13:08

she met, Anthony Lam was at

13:10

a gym in Monaghan. So we

13:12

went and we got all the

13:15

gyms in Monaghan and we researched

13:17

and went through all the dockets

13:19

and signing and signed out books

13:22

and hey presto. Here we

13:24

find Anthony Lam signing out

13:26

of the gym. and her signing in,

13:28

a girl signing in, and that girl was

13:30

one of the last three on it, so

13:32

bingo, we had her. And she was the woman

13:35

who had made the phone call? She

13:37

was the woman, yes. That made the

13:39

phone call, yes. We traced her

13:41

to a certain place in Australia,

13:44

we traced her to where she

13:46

was working, we built her up

13:48

a relationship with the Attorney General's

13:50

office in Melbourne, told them our

13:53

story, and they were extremely helpful,

13:55

very helpful. and they put us

13:57

in contact with the police force

13:59

in operation. particular area and they

14:02

put surveillance to see where she

14:04

was and we got her in

14:06

address for her and everything we

14:08

had everything sorted so we knew

14:10

she was there we were 99.99%

14:13

sure she was the woman and

14:15

we needed to get to speak to

14:17

her and It was a case of going

14:19

over and speaking to her, not a case

14:21

of ringing or writing to her or any

14:23

of that type of carry-on. We have to

14:25

go and doorstep her and that was it.

14:28

What were some of the crucial bits of

14:30

information she was able to tell

14:32

you then? Yeah, well, I sent two

14:34

of my detectives over, Detective Garda Bobby

14:36

Ogle, who was, and the fact that

14:39

she's a female, I sent Detective Rachel

14:41

Riley with him. and two very very

14:43

good detectives and I knew they

14:45

will be quite capable of being

14:47

able to think on their feet,

14:49

I find it in, cropped up.

14:51

But they met the Australian police,

14:53

the Australian police brought them around

14:55

to the horror address, they knocked on

14:57

the door and she opened the door

15:00

and the Australian police woman said, I

15:02

have some Irish police here. Oh my

15:04

God, she said straight or what kept

15:07

you? I rang you in 2013 and

15:09

it's now 2016. What kept yous,

15:11

you know? So she was

15:13

expecting them to arrive on

15:15

her door? She was expecting

15:17

them, yeah. She was dropping

15:19

the hints. She was quite

15:21

intelligent. Bobby always says, well

15:23

we're here now and we'd

15:25

like you to come down

15:28

to the local police station

15:30

and she told her story.

15:32

on camera and it was written

15:34

down and recorded and she explained in

15:36

her statement exactly that Anthony Lamba

15:38

called her house and told her

15:40

that he had killed Irene White

15:42

that he was got to do it by

15:45

someone else and that was it how he

15:47

did it and everything now and you could

15:49

actually see the weight coming off her

15:51

shoulders because I was watching the interview when

15:53

I came back on the video and you

15:56

could see her she was just so relieved

15:58

to tell the story you know. Tell me

16:00

about Nile Power Pat and what part

16:02

he plays in this case. Nile Power

16:05

had a security business and he

16:07

done doors and that type of

16:09

stuff and he was doing the

16:11

door in the IT college there and done

16:13

dark and when they had nights

16:15

of dancing or wherever he would

16:17

do the doors and that's how

16:19

he got involved with Anthony Lam

16:21

because Anthony approached him and says

16:24

I do the doors for you

16:26

like I was looking for work and they

16:28

became friends. to such an extent that

16:30

the now power got Anthony Lamb to

16:32

stand for one of his children like you

16:34

know so that's how close the wear and Anthony

16:36

Lamb was I suppose we say coherster manipulated

16:38

into the situation where he was

16:41

asked to murder to kill Irene White and he

16:43

refused initially no he wouldn't be into anything like

16:45

that and he kept at him and kept at

16:47

him and kept at him and kept at him

16:49

and kept at him and kept at him and

16:51

kept at him and kept at him and kept

16:54

at him and kept at him and kept at

16:56

him and kept at him and kept at him

16:58

and kept at him and kept at him and

17:00

anti-lam to think, well maybe if I get the

17:02

money and I can do it, I get the

17:04

money and I can, you know, I mean, get

17:06

myself out of the mess, I'm

17:08

in, I'm in one stage, now

17:11

the power brought Anthony Lam up

17:13

to the Karigdale Hotel and said,

17:15

Irene, those classes in their gymnastics

17:17

or whatever. stuff and he gave him a

17:19

knife and when she comes out you kill her

17:21

like and he threw the knife away and he

17:23

says no I'm not doing this I'm not doing

17:25

this so that was the first failed at template

17:28

you could say but he kept at him kept

17:30

at him like and I think the changing

17:32

aspect of it was that Anthony Lam

17:34

was told and no uncertain terms you know

17:36

the plan and if someone else does it

17:38

you're going to be a loose end and God

17:41

knows what will happen to happen to you so

17:43

he was afraid then he was if I don't

17:45

do what I'm going to be killed like you

17:47

know. Anthony

17:50

Lam was eventually brought

17:52

into custody part. What

17:54

was he like during

17:56

those interviews? Anthony

17:58

Lam was it... extremely

18:00

remorseful. Wanted to cooperate

18:02

100% and wanted to tell the

18:04

story. And he told the story how

18:07

he found himself to be the person

18:09

that killed Irene Weiss. He cried his

18:11

eyes out. And when he got it

18:13

off his chest and told everything that

18:15

he needed to tell, he got up

18:17

and hugged one of the detectives and

18:19

said, thanks for everything. Where would

18:22

you get that? And he lambed

18:24

a very intelligent, clever man and

18:26

had changed his life around from

18:28

being, let's a at the bottom

18:30

of the wrong to lecturing

18:33

in minute college when we

18:35

actually arrested him. So he

18:37

had educated himself and come

18:39

on. He really really was

18:41

emotional and very much regressive

18:43

what he had done and understood

18:46

the pain and heartily it caused.

18:48

And not only that he wrote

18:50

a letter to the lady in

18:53

Australia, the saying that he was

18:55

sorry for having brought her into

18:57

it. and that he really apologized for

18:59

like so this is a guy who

19:01

has a little bit of empathy and

19:04

he has an understanding where a psychopath

19:06

won't have that like you know to

19:08

be just cold out so. From what

19:10

we know now, there's three

19:12

people involved in the murder

19:14

of Irene White. We have

19:17

Anthony Lamb, who the woman

19:19

over in Australia, contacted the

19:21

cold-case team. We also have

19:23

Nile Power, who's also implicated

19:25

in this, and there's that

19:27

third person who began, who's

19:29

known as the mastermind behind

19:32

Irene's murder. Anthony, we know how

19:34

Garthy caught up with him. What happened

19:36

to Nile? How did the guardie find

19:38

out that he was a part of

19:40

this? Yeah, well, Anthony Lamb pleaded guilty

19:42

in court and got life sentence.

19:44

And the following day, it was in

19:46

the news and everything, the following

19:49

day, Nile Power presented himself at

19:51

Undock Station, wanting to speak with me.

19:53

And I remember, remember well, the two guards

19:55

come up and said, Nile Power is down

19:58

there, he wants to speak to you. Now

20:00

I had a document ready for

20:02

him, we were going to arrest him

20:04

anyway. And I said Jesus of all

20:06

days, because I was under pressure with

20:09

Adrian, don't know his murder, and that

20:11

day I was giving a big presentation

20:13

to the commissioner and everything. And I

20:16

said, Jesus, that, so they'd have to

20:18

go away and come back. And they

20:20

said, oh, no, no, no, he wants

20:22

to tell you his part in. the

20:25

murder of Irene White. And I said,

20:27

oh, Jesus, tell the commissioner to sit

20:29

back for a while. This is more important just

20:31

at the moment. So that's what happened. We

20:34

had to cancel that particular conference. And I

20:36

went down to Nyl Power and I was

20:38

speaking to him. And first and foremost, I

20:40

wanted to make sure that he was in

20:42

a fit state to be able to speak

20:44

to us. And he said, look, I'm here,

20:46

I want to tell you about my part

20:48

in the Iron White murder. And I said,

20:51

no, you sure you want to be here?

20:53

Yeah, he said, if I'm not coming here,

20:55

I was going to the river. He was

20:57

offered a solicitor and offered to ring

20:59

anyone he wanted. And he didn't want

21:01

anything that I said, I want to

21:04

tell you, I want to tell you.

21:06

And he was given every opportunity to

21:08

have a solicitor, you know, or

21:10

his family or someone contacted, but

21:12

no, he wanted to tell the

21:15

story. And he started to tell

21:17

the stories. And he made a statement

21:19

saying that, yes, he got Anthony Lamb

21:21

to kill Irene White, she had to

21:23

be taken out. And he was doing

21:25

it on the instruction of someone

21:28

else. That was it. We had

21:30

a very comprehensive report done on

21:32

Nile Power. And I knew... from

21:34

what he told us that morning

21:36

wasn't the full story. So I

21:38

informed my detective that he

21:41

needs to be arrested and

21:43

detained under Section 4 and

21:45

questioned properly about everything that

21:47

we knew or suspected we knew

21:49

that he didn't pay reference to

21:52

and he was arrested and questioned

21:54

and at the end of the

21:56

questioning the DPP directed that he

21:58

should be charged. with murder. Now

22:01

he went to court and pleaded

22:03

guilty as well and is

22:05

doing a life sentence but

22:08

there is no doubt he

22:10

was the man who manipulated

22:12

Anthony Lam to murder. What

22:15

did you believe had

22:17

happened? Well my overall taught

22:19

on it at the moment

22:21

and at the time was

22:23

that there were three people

22:25

involved and that now power

22:27

was pressurized or... came up

22:30

with it himself to believe

22:32

in a third person that Irene had

22:34

to be taken out and he

22:36

in turn manipulated Anthony Lam and

22:39

We brought it as far as

22:41

we could as investigators to such

22:43

an extent that we were able

22:45

to send the file to the

22:47

DPP for consideration of charging a

22:50

third person and as I explained

22:52

it earlier that didn't happen. Can

22:54

I ask you about Irene White's

22:56

husband Alan White? I think he

22:58

was a business associate of Nile

23:00

Power. He was arrested in the

23:02

early stages for withholding information in

23:05

respect of the murder of Irene

23:07

White and he... Didn't answer

23:09

any questions and that was it.

23:11

He was a you know released without charge

23:13

and that's where it stood like you

23:15

know now in my time We had

23:18

what we taught we believed was relative

23:20

evidence in respect of his involvement But

23:22

we sent a file to the DPP

23:24

a very comprehensive file in writing this

23:27

book myself and Robin Shiller paid a

23:29

visit Alan White at his house in

23:31

Knock Bridge and he invited us in

23:33

and he knows me, Ellen White, and

23:36

I just said, look, you know who

23:38

I am, we're writing the book. There's

23:40

aspects of the book that might direct someone

23:42

to think that maybe you had something

23:45

to do with this and we want

23:47

to ask you your opinion. And we

23:49

asked them the questions like that Irene

23:51

was saying that you are going to

23:53

get her in a matter of course and that

23:55

you would know the hour of the time. And

23:57

he denied all of that. He said that

23:59

just... talk about a masterminded or

24:01

a person and the finger of

24:03

suspicion will be pointing at a

24:06

journey tonight all of that he

24:08

said he knows himself he's a

24:10

suspect and I think he said

24:12

that to the media but he

24:15

spoke to us and he denied

24:17

any of that involvement. Unimportant to

24:19

say that Alan White has never

24:21

been charged and we entered that

24:23

in as an epilogue in the

24:26

book which I think in all

24:28

fairness gives Alan White's view of

24:30

things at the moment and I

24:32

think it was only right and

24:34

fair that we did that and

24:37

even after I retired they got

24:39

extra statements from people and that

24:41

was submitted to the DPP and

24:43

the DPP after a long consideration

24:46

decided not to charge Irene's husband

24:48

and with any charge so he's

24:50

a free man. There are still

24:52

a number of... questions that are

24:54

left unanswered in relation to Irene's

24:57

murder. Why is that? Well the

24:59

DPP are a very shrewd bunch

25:01

of solicitors and legal people and

25:03

they will evaluate a file when

25:05

it comes in and I know

25:08

they evaluated the file sent on

25:10

this mastermind that they evaluated it

25:12

and had second and third opinions

25:14

on it from... qualified barristers and

25:16

people in the criminal prosecution world

25:19

and they were all after the

25:21

impression that it would be very

25:23

hard to prove that there was

25:25

a mastermind given that Nile Power

25:28

has not made a statement and

25:30

it may have been a case

25:32

that Nile Power was trying to

25:34

feather his own nest by saying

25:36

there was someone else. So I

25:39

can understand their thinking. They do

25:41

not make those decisions lightly. They

25:43

do not make those decisions lightly.

25:45

They do not make those decisions

25:47

lightly. So you just have to

25:50

row with it like and that's

25:52

it. And I'm not saying that

25:54

someone else might not be charged

25:56

with a may well be, but

25:59

I think they need the cooperation

26:01

of now power. As somebody who's

26:03

worked so closely with a case

26:05

like this, does it feel unfinished

26:07

to you? How does that feel

26:10

as somebody who was the lead

26:12

investigator on this case for a

26:14

while? Well, I always said, I

26:16

wanted to know who stood in

26:18

those runners, you know, that left

26:21

those bloodstained marks in the kitchen

26:23

and out the back door. And

26:25

I did that. And we got

26:27

the second person who had darkestrated.

26:30

And I think that's not a

26:32

bad result. It's very hard work

26:34

to get someone before the courts.

26:36

And we did that. And it

26:38

was a dedicated approach by my

26:41

team. There's only five of us

26:43

on it. And it shows the

26:45

amount of progress. If you're focused

26:47

and determined to get to the

26:49

end of this, you will get

26:52

your results, you know. But I'm

26:54

very happy that we did what

26:56

we did. And that's it. And

26:59

my thanks to Pat Marry. I'm

27:01

Tabitha Monaghan and today's episode of

27:03

The Indo Daily was produced by

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Ian Doyle, research by Dave Hanrati

27:07

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Gavin Hennessy. The Ice House Murder,

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