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C-A. No,

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no, it's it's a good point Mike. You're

0:35

listening to Jim Richards on News Talk

0:37

10-10 Toronto It was a good point

0:39

earlier in the week. No, I'm mad

0:41

I'm angry at Ben Hopefully he doesn't

0:43

come in the room while I'm talking

0:46

about him because I'm a coward and

0:48

I wouldn't say it to his face

0:50

Ben is rusa of my show and

0:52

Ben is the producer of Deb's show

0:54

and Deb just did the show before

0:56

me if you're just joining us here

0:58

streaming us here streaming on the I-heart

1:00

radio I sent him a picture of

1:02

people taking selfies with the Pope

1:05

in the casket and I was

1:07

like, we gotta talk about this.

1:09

And then I totally forgot about

1:12

it. And then he took that

1:14

idea. Folks, can you imagine this?

1:16

Has that ever happened in

1:19

your job? Where somebody takes

1:21

your idea and then takes

1:23

credit as their own? And he gives

1:25

that topic to Deb and Deb

1:27

killed with it. killed with it.

1:30

I gotta say everybody

1:32

did a good job on that

1:34

topic. From Deb to Mike, you

1:36

did a great job on that

1:38

topic. I know. All of

1:40

the callers, Ben just ran

1:42

down the hallway because he

1:44

was in the washroom and

1:46

the radio station plays in

1:48

the washroom. Even when I,

1:50

that's a different topic altogether.

1:53

The callers killed on that

1:55

topic. Mikey did a

1:57

great job. Deb did a

1:59

great job. Everybody did a

2:01

great job. Hang on, Jim. Oh,

2:04

you, Ben. Hang on. You? Stealing

2:06

my topic and giving it to

2:08

Deb is just unforgettable. These are

2:10

the texts I get from Jim.

2:13

Oh. Unforgettable, not unforgettable. Unforgettable is

2:15

a song, but it's also a

2:17

word, actually. No, I don't think

2:20

there's a rebuttal on this one,

2:22

Ben. Go ahead. You sent me

2:24

a picture of the dead Pope,

2:26

and you said, we gotta talk

2:29

about this. Exactly. There was no

2:31

selfie involved, it was just a

2:33

picture of the dead Pope. Could

2:35

it come from anywhere? A picture

2:38

of a person in a casket,

2:40

I think, I, I rest my

2:42

case. Jim, if you're gonna do

2:45

the topic. Why didn't you do

2:47

the topic? Well, because I send

2:49

ideas. It's like the social network.

2:51

Don't hold on. If you invented

2:54

Facebook, you would have invented Facebook.

2:56

Well, that's good. You didn't do

2:58

the topic. Here's how it works.

3:01

I have an idea. I give

3:03

it to somebody else and they

3:05

hold on to that idea until

3:07

the idea needs to be executed.

3:10

I can't be a holder of

3:12

my own ideas because I was

3:14

an idea. It wasn't even an

3:17

idea. No, it's an idea, Ben.

3:19

Ben. Ben, here's the way it's

3:21

supposed to work in the future.

3:23

It's a conception of idea. Exactly,

3:26

good point, Mike, Mike's on my

3:28

side. No, I'm not. I think

3:30

Mike is on my side. I

3:33

have an idea. I don't... I

3:35

don't fully complete the idea and

3:37

the concept, but I park it

3:39

with Ben. And then Ben is

3:42

the holder of the idea. We

3:44

come back to it a little

3:46

bit later on and Ben's like,

3:48

oh, there are that amazing time

3:51

where you sent me a text

3:53

of a picture of the Pope

3:55

in a coffin and said, we

3:58

need to talk about this. Let's

4:00

talk about it right now. How

4:02

do we make that magic? Instead

4:04

of taking that going Ben or

4:07

Deb or Deb? Whatever her name

4:09

is, we need to do this

4:11

as a top. Would we not

4:14

all agree on that? You're ignoring

4:16

that... I don't think I'm ignoring

4:18

it. Thousands of people could have

4:20

come up with this idea if

4:23

they were told hey. That is

4:25

not true. You should talk about

4:27

stuff that's happened this week and

4:30

current events. Could have meant anything?

4:32

I don't know about any of

4:34

these. Was your name on this

4:36

idea, Jim? I didn't see the

4:39

name anywhere. Well it's on my

4:41

text. It's like it says Jim

4:43

Richard's text anyway. What we're talking

4:45

about right now. Wasn't right now?

4:48

I guess it is, it could

4:50

be the topic. Does anybody- This

4:52

has become the topic? Yeah, I

4:55

think it has. By the way,

4:57

in the news, we're liquidating all

4:59

of the bays, 350 years down

5:01

the drain, so you can save

5:04

5%. Has anybody ever gotten a

5:06

good deal at a liquidation thing?

5:08

I used to, when Sears went

5:11

out of business, I'm like, you

5:13

know what, I'm gonna go buy

5:15

Sears, and I'm gonna like, I

5:17

don't need a new blank, but

5:20

the savings will be- So amazing

5:22

that I will buy a new

5:24

blank, which is maybe a topic

5:27

for another day. If you don't

5:29

need something, are you getting any

5:31

savings? If it's like 80% off

5:33

of something that you do not

5:36

need, why are you buying it

5:38

if you don't need it, unless

5:40

you're going to sell it? Anyway,

5:42

I found like, okay, I'm in

5:45

the neighborhood of the Sears. I'll

5:47

go in and it's like 5%

5:49

off. We're liquidating everything. You go

5:52

in, it's 5% off. You look

5:54

around, there's like, there's no real

5:56

deals here. Then you go back

5:58

the next week. It's gotta be

6:01

now. The liquidation's gotta be now.

6:03

We're like something, and it's like

6:05

10% off. Then the next week

6:08

it's 15% off, which is just

6:10

the tax. And sooner or later

6:12

or later you give up. But

6:14

I found when I'm trying to

6:17

get, you know, in my history

6:19

of liquidations, folks, whenever I go

6:21

to the liquidators, I don't find

6:24

that the deals are all that

6:26

great. All right, we have, coming

6:28

up in about 10 minutes time,

6:30

we have the Ottawa Senators and

6:33

their fans, Toronto versus Ottawa. Are

6:35

we? Do you ever think that

6:37

people who are jerks know that

6:39

they're jerks? Do you think that?

6:42

Like if you're a let's go

6:44

to what are you looking at

6:46

me for right now Ben? Do

6:49

you think that people or jerks

6:51

know that they're jerks? Could it

6:53

be that we are the NHL

6:55

jerks? Like our fans is impossible

6:58

Montreal Canadian fan in the other

7:00

room nodding his head at me?

7:02

Is it possible that are so

7:05

possible? Like could it be that

7:07

Toronto Maple Leaf fans? are indeed

7:09

jerks. Because this is the way

7:11

I look at it. If you

7:14

want my jerk, sports math, is

7:16

that basketball, Celtics fans, jerks. Baseball,

7:18

New York Yankee fans, jerks. NFL

7:21

football, do you guys know what

7:23

I'm about to say? You want

7:25

to take a guess? In hockey,

7:27

so all of those are the,

7:30

except for football, all of those

7:32

sports, I've named like the Dynasties.

7:34

I grew up thinking that the

7:37

Montreal Canadian fans were jerks. But

7:39

now I'm starting to wonder, because

7:41

there's a better rivalry history between

7:43

Toronto and Montreal, but Toronto and

7:46

Ottawa was like our, I don't

7:48

know, maybe not little brother, but...

7:50

I just I get that we're

7:52

the jerks in that relationship and

7:55

it's more than the Montreal Canadians

7:57

it's a respected rivalry I think

7:59

with Ottawa and Toronto it's just

8:02

hate I that's what I think

8:04

it's just hate and I think

8:06

Toronto Montreal respected rivalry but I

8:08

think Montreal Boston Boston just hate

8:11

just Hate. And I think everybody

8:13

has that relationship maybe with Boston.

8:15

Words just hate. But would anybody

8:18

be, well ask you in a

8:20

couple of seconds, we're going to

8:22

talk to a couple of guys

8:24

from our, or one guy, we're

8:27

going to talk to somebody from

8:29

our, wait a second Ben, my

8:31

idea was two guys that we

8:34

would talk to. Did you have

8:36

two guys on with Deb? Just

8:38

kidding. I only got one just

8:40

I'm just kidding Ben's doing a

8:43

great job. It's me that I

8:45

have a problem with so is

8:47

it possible that Lee fans are

8:49

the jerks would anybody would we?

8:52

Would we come to that realization

8:54

that maybe we are jerks? I

8:56

saw some footage of people just

8:59

like yelling and screaming in the

9:01

face of crying Senator fans yesterday

9:03

and I was like, that's us,

9:05

that is our team, that is

9:08

our guys have gone to Ottawa,

9:10

we've dispatched them to just be

9:12

brazen blank holes to the citizens

9:15

of Ottawa. All right, I've got

9:17

one minute left to do the...

9:19

topic that we had down here

9:21

for four o'clock. Should I save

9:24

it or should I I want

9:26

to talk a little bit? Well,

9:28

just let Deb do it on

9:31

Monday. It's a good point. Deb,

9:33

if you're listening right now, here's

9:35

a topic for Monday. We came

9:37

up with a The traffic czar

9:40

earlier this week and we took

9:42

phone calls on what you wanted

9:44

the traffic czar to be. But

9:46

maybe we should start small. Maybe

9:49

we should start with, not traffic

9:51

czar, I want a sidewalk czar.

9:53

I want somebody who's going to

9:56

tell everybody who is on the

9:58

sidewalk, not to on a busy

10:00

sidewalk, hey, you know what I

10:02

should do right now, text somebody,

10:05

and I'm not going to go

10:07

off to the side. or step

10:09

aside, I'm just gonna stop where

10:12

I'm walking and send somebody a

10:14

text. And that, I get it

10:16

that people are wandering in, I

10:18

saw a funny thing. And maybe

10:21

if you follow me, you'll see

10:23

it because I share funny things

10:25

on my social media. Somebody did

10:28

a remake of what Abbey Road

10:30

would look like today with the

10:32

Beatles Walking Cross Abbey Road. And

10:34

they had them all staring on

10:37

their phones like walking in different

10:39

directions running into each other, which

10:41

I thought was hilarious. So maybe

10:43

we'll get back to my idea

10:46

a little bit later on sidewalks.

10:48

That's where I want to start.

10:50

Sidewalk. Zar. No seniors on the

10:53

sidewalks any longer. All right? That's,

10:55

no, that's, Deb wrote that, Deb

10:57

told me to say that to

10:59

be honest with you. No, she

11:02

didn't. We'll talk to our, do

11:04

I owe the Ottawa TSN people

11:06

an apology for the behavior of

11:09

Toronto Make Belief fans in a

11:11

moment? No? 416-8-7-2-10-10 text me yes

11:13

or no right now time-saver traffic

11:15

this is Jim Richards on News

11:18

Talk 10-10 Toronto Nobody

11:22

cares about my affiliations with

11:24

Joe Bowen, but if they

11:26

wanted to ask I have

11:28

me and Joe Bowen stories,

11:30

but there is a... They

11:32

call him Bones. Bonesy. But

11:34

Ben's... Is it your father

11:36

or your grandfather? Who... somebody...

11:38

No, no, never mind. It

11:40

was somebody else told me

11:42

that their Italian grandfather can't

11:44

pronounce Joe Bowen's name, and

11:46

it's not something I can

11:48

say on the air. I

11:51

think you know what I mean.

11:53

Anyway, that was the game winner

11:55

last night of, we did on

11:57

the phones the other day. I

11:59

was like I was interested that

12:01

everybody in Toronto is like it

12:03

feels different this year for like

12:05

what 60 years now almost Yeah,

12:07

I know it feels different this

12:10

year and I don't know it

12:12

was split But the one thing

12:14

that you do see when you

12:16

watch another game is actual fans

12:18

and in Ottawa they have Actual

12:20

fans not just the rich folks

12:22

who sit on their hands the

12:24

sends players Really appreciative of that

12:26

And Apparently hold on wait a

12:28

second really appreciative of that the

12:30

game really strong we played our

12:32

game right off to bat and

12:34

Like you said, I mean, it's

12:36

been a long time for the

12:39

fans, been a long time for

12:41

us as players, so we were

12:43

excited to play at home in

12:45

front of them for sure. Unbelievable.

12:47

Yeah, it was sick. One of

12:49

the better ones for sure that

12:51

I've seen. And yeah, I thought

12:53

we used it to our favor

12:55

to start the game. And we're

12:57

going to try and sustain that

12:59

a little bit longer. tomorrow. Yeah

13:01

it was unbelievable. See the white

13:03

towel is going and it was

13:05

just awesome atmosphere. So that's important

13:07

for a team and I guess

13:10

Toronto gets it to a certain

13:12

extent but again it is noticeable

13:14

when you go to a Toronto

13:16

game versus if you ever travel

13:18

to watch the leaves what the

13:20

home crowd is like. Steve Lloyd

13:22

joins us right now our sister

13:24

station in Ottawa that talks sports

13:26

is TSN 1200. He is one

13:28

of the hosts on their morning

13:30

show Steve. Thank you very much

13:32

for your time. No problem, oh,

13:34

how are you? I'm good. I

13:36

was saying earlier that when it

13:39

comes to Toronto and Ottawa, I

13:41

think Toronto and Montreal, they have

13:43

a rivalry, but I don't think

13:45

there's as much hatred as there

13:47

is in that rivalry as there

13:49

is in the... Battle of Ontario.

13:51

Would you say that that hatred

13:53

would be, am I accurately describing

13:55

it, that it may be a

13:57

respectful rivalry of some other rivalries?

13:59

But this one is real hate.

14:01

Well, it was, and I think

14:03

we're getting back to that point,

14:05

because what happened since the time

14:08

when the Leafs and the Sims

14:10

faced each other in the playoffs,

14:12

four times in the span of

14:14

about five years, I think it

14:16

was, starting in 2000, like in

14:18

the heart of that 100%, and

14:20

it wasn't just the playoff games,

14:22

the regular season games, and like

14:24

there was so much hatred. Like

14:26

I can remember this as well.

14:28

Lee fans hated Daniel Alfordson. and

14:30

sends fans, you know, hated Darcy

14:32

Tucker and Travis Green, their current

14:34

head coach as part of that

14:36

group as well. It was to

14:39

the point I know in Toronto

14:41

where to fire up fans at

14:43

Raptors games, they would show a

14:45

picture of Daniel opposite on the

14:47

screen. So that, you know, now

14:49

you're crossing over. That gets into

14:51

New York Rangers, New York Islanders,

14:53

and basically they're yelling pot fan

14:55

sucks at Knicks games, right? So

14:57

that was the level of hatred

14:59

back then. it kind of died

15:01

off for a number of it's

15:03

still there right it's simmering but

15:05

let's be honest the lease went

15:08

through some tough times the sends

15:10

went through some tough times now

15:12

finally they're both good teams at

15:14

the same time and that that's

15:16

what needs to happen you need

15:18

to get back into a playoff

15:20

scenario and i think it may

15:22

be started with regularly greg last

15:24

season stoking it with the clapper

15:26

into the empty net net regular

15:28

season game and Morgan Riley takes

15:30

a suspension and that started it

15:32

going another playing in the playoffs

15:34

again so it's building back up

15:37

towards the levels it used to

15:39

be, but I don't think it's

15:41

quite there yet. You know, so

15:43

I if I was in America

15:45

and say I needed to, I

15:47

wasn't a Philadelphia Eagles fan, I

15:49

would probably think twice about going

15:51

into Philadelphia. you're wearing my team's

15:53

jersey. And I don't know, like

15:55

I always kind of feel that

15:57

way. You're saying it's not that

15:59

bad in Ottawa when they see

16:01

a Toronto Jersey at the Canadian

16:03

Tire Center? Listen, you get the

16:06

odd story and I see some

16:08

of it too and you get

16:10

the odd donkey type episode and

16:12

that cuts both ways. That sends

16:14

fans. Sure. Overzealous, that's Lee fans.

16:16

And you see, but it's not

16:18

the norm super consistent. You still

16:20

see it 100% but I don't

16:22

think it rises to the level.

16:24

I hear you on the Philly

16:26

fan thing like I know friends

16:28

of mine that have gone down

16:30

to Flyers games or whatever. and

16:32

it's not necessarily like a sense,

16:34

pick another team and then like

16:37

don't wear that. Don't wear that

16:39

because there are storage, you get

16:41

dragged into the washroom and somebody

16:43

beats the crap out of you.

16:45

Like I know somebody that's happened

16:47

to, that kind of a thing.

16:49

So it doesn't, it's not quite

16:51

like that. It can get. it

16:53

can get bad there if there

16:55

have been the odd fight on

16:57

the odd fight does occur over

16:59

the years but it doesn't rise

17:01

to that particular level but sure

17:03

yeah it's there there's a level

17:06

though where the senators would prefer

17:08

and they they prefer that they

17:10

try to make it so leave

17:12

fans can't get their hold on

17:14

hands on tickets no Well, this,

17:16

let's go around. What they did

17:18

was, and most teams do this.

17:20

Now, the Leafs don't have this

17:22

problem with the size of the

17:24

fan base in the market, right?

17:26

Season tickets, you know, they're spoken

17:28

for. But the Senators, going through

17:30

the lean years that they did,

17:32

their season ticket base isn't where

17:35

it used to be. So they're

17:37

in the process of trying to

17:39

build it. So when you clinch

17:41

a playoff spot, it's kind of

17:43

like you get the, ahead of

17:45

the advanced sale, like any time.

17:47

And so that's what they did.

17:49

And that's normal in sports. That's

17:51

the business of it. So they

17:53

were able to do that. And

17:55

what they did is they said,

17:57

listen, if you commit to season

17:59

tickets for next year, you get

18:01

front of the line, you can

18:03

get your tickets now for the

18:06

playoffs and we'll give you. extra

18:08

two. Now what happened was, and

18:10

there's nothing you can do about

18:12

this because it's a free market

18:14

that we live in, but there

18:16

was kind of a bit of

18:18

a pre-shaming kind of a campaign.

18:20

Say look at, we're going to

18:22

give you those tickets, but please

18:24

don't sell them the leave fence.

18:26

Don't flip those tickets, those extra

18:28

two that were going to allow

18:30

you to buy. And I think

18:32

that's basically, and then there was

18:35

a grassroots social media, a lot

18:37

of hardcore sense fans, and you

18:39

know what, and last night I

18:41

was there for the game, it

18:43

was electric. And there were leaf

18:45

fans there, of course, there, of

18:47

course, and fans, and you know

18:49

what, and last night I was

18:51

there for the game, it was

18:53

electric, when there was only one

18:55

visit here, and the season ticket

18:57

base is so low right. It

18:59

had to be 70% leave fans

19:01

for that one regular season. Sure.

19:04

Last night, I think it was

19:06

80-20 cents fans. And it was

19:08

just, it was a great vibe.

19:10

I was so happy for the

19:12

fan base. Eight years without the

19:14

playoffs. It's a great playoff building

19:16

and it was just a lot

19:18

of fun, except for the end

19:20

result for the home fans. I

19:22

think even leave fans need to

19:24

be happy that other Canadian markets

19:26

are doing better, right? So I

19:28

think that's a good thing for

19:30

hockey right across the board. that

19:32

maybe, you know, sometimes you realize,

19:35

wait a second, maybe I'm the

19:37

jerk in this relationship. Do, I

19:39

mean, do Senate, I think, maybe

19:41

Toronto fans, as you say, they

19:43

travel a lot. Are we, would

19:45

Ottawa say that we're bigger jerks

19:47

than Montreal fans? Oh. I hate

19:49

to tell you, but yeah. I've

19:51

got friends of mine, like people

19:53

that don't know Ottawa. Ottawa got

19:55

no regions, like 1.3, 1.4 million

19:57

people now, but it behaves much

19:59

smaller than that. It feels like

20:01

more of a small, you're always,

20:04

you bump into people, if you

20:06

don't know that person, you're within

20:08

two or three degrees of separation,

20:10

it seems, especially in the sporting

20:12

circles, right? And I know a

20:14

lot of... of cops and firefighters

20:16

and they'll volunteer to work sense

20:18

games and that's commonplace at sporting

20:20

events and they got to the

20:22

point a bunch of them said

20:24

they stopped volunteering for leaf games

20:26

because they got sick and tired

20:28

of breaking up fights and because

20:30

it just became it's just like

20:33

I'm done with this and and

20:35

I think just to bring it

20:37

not to overly politicize it but

20:39

it's kind of akin to a

20:41

lot of leaf fans that want

20:43

to get really obnoxious about it.

20:45

Don't think that Ottawa deserves a

20:47

team. you know, 51state kind of

20:49

stuff, not a real country kind

20:51

of stuff, you know what I'm

20:53

saying? I think that that's the

20:55

kind of vibe that not everybody,

20:57

I don't want to paint everybody

20:59

the same brush, but that's the

21:01

vibe that sometimes leave fans can

21:04

give off to people here in

21:06

Ottawa and you can understand how

21:08

it rubs in the wrong way.

21:10

Sure, sure, I can't. All right,

21:12

I'm late for break, but is

21:14

it going more than five games

21:16

or is going in five games?

21:18

but there's just something every bounce

21:20

every little thing seems to be

21:22

going the leaf's way and they're

21:24

earning that i'm not saying they're

21:26

lucky their full value i i

21:28

think this could end tomorrow night

21:30

all right i think a lot

21:33

of leaf fans are hoping that

21:35

way but best of luck to

21:37

Ottawa and again uh... the one

21:39

thing you guys got going is

21:41

that there are real fans in

21:43

the state even not just the

21:45

rich people sitting on their hands

21:47

thanks Steve All right, take care.

21:49

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as I sit back and make

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my job a little easier by

22:30

stealing from other hosts. I love

22:33

Deb's topic from two until four

22:35

when she asked this question. I

22:37

wanted to ask you whether you

22:39

voted or not, what was it

22:41

that sealed the deal vote? I

22:43

like that topic. And then I

22:45

like Jerry's topic earlier today as

22:47

well. It occurs to me today

22:49

that if you do not vote

22:51

conservative or liberal, you're really not

22:53

participating in this election. Polls are

22:55

tight. Do you like that? Which

22:57

one do you guys like? Because

22:59

I'm going to steal one of

23:02

them right now. You know what?

23:04

Deb just talked about that an

23:06

hour ago, so it was a

23:08

good part of her podcast, which

23:10

you can find on the I

23:12

Heart Radio Up. I did like

23:14

Jerry's qua- I like both questions

23:16

because I thought they were really

23:18

interesting and who knows maybe there's

23:20

a conversation that you would like

23:22

to hear people have about this

23:24

election where it's not necessarily a

23:26

breaking down a platform thing or

23:28

something like that like a bigger

23:31

question like Jerry. It occurs to

23:33

me today. that if you do

23:35

not vote conservative or liberal, you're

23:37

really not participating in this election.

23:39

Polls are tightening between the two

23:41

leaders, but there seems to be

23:43

no path for the NDP. The

23:45

block is down and we can't

23:47

vote for them anyway. It seems

23:49

to me that while you might

23:51

think what I just said is

23:53

radical, it is in fact the

23:55

position that former NDP voters have

23:57

apparently taken. And it does look

24:00

like the one that Jugmee Singh

24:02

is doing too. I mean, in

24:04

an article with the Toronto Star,

24:06

he sat down with their editorial

24:08

board to waste their time. I'm

24:10

just, am I kidding? Jugmee Singh,

24:12

leader of the NDP, sits down

24:14

with the editorial board to waste

24:16

their time. But he did say

24:18

that he had made a concerted

24:20

effort to keep tribute around. more

24:22

not that he liked Trudeau but

24:24

he just didn't like the idea

24:26

of Pierre Polyev becoming the Prime

24:28

Minister that that is why he

24:31

did that so he didn't necessarily

24:33

I thought that was interesting that

24:35

everybody is like oh he propped

24:37

it up because he likes this

24:39

government no he propped it up

24:41

because he didn't like the idea

24:43

of a Pierre Polyev government maybe

24:45

it's one and the same to

24:47

you But I do kind of

24:49

agree with Jerry, and I wanted

24:51

to open up the phones on

24:53

that, and whether or not you

24:55

agree with the concept of, maybe

24:57

every election is the most important

25:00

election of our life. Because nobody

25:02

right now in 2025 is going

25:04

to be pretty sure it was

25:06

that one in 1980 something. That

25:08

was the most important one. There

25:10

were always probably going to be

25:12

the most important one. But this

25:14

one probably really is. So are

25:16

you, is anybody out there voting

25:18

NDP right now? And what would,

25:20

like, what would the reason be?

25:22

And maybe it's not the minute,

25:24

maybe it gets down to the

25:26

minutia of your riding, like your

25:29

guy's not going to win, or

25:31

the liberal's not going to win,

25:33

or the conservative's not going to

25:35

win, and... I know we hear

25:37

from a lot of people who

25:39

are going to vote the People's

25:41

Party, but I'd say you're wasting

25:43

your time if you vote People's

25:45

Party too, and perhaps your local

25:47

candidate could have won if you

25:49

voted conservative. So whether it's on

25:51

the left with the NDP or

25:53

whether it's on the right with

25:55

the People's Party, who a couple

25:57

elections go got 11% of the

26:00

vote. And I think now they're

26:02

down to less than 1%. So

26:04

if you are not voting for...

26:06

one of those two, why would

26:08

that be? And maybe you could

26:10

say, hey, you could ask that

26:12

question any election. I don't know.

26:14

More so right now. 416-87-10. It

26:16

occurs to me today that if

26:18

you do not vote conservative or

26:20

liberal, you're really not participating in

26:22

this election. Polls are two. Do

26:24

you find that to be true?

26:27

And maybe you could say, no,

26:29

that's not true, because I always

26:31

vote, I don't know, conservative, and

26:33

my guy never wins. But I

26:36

always feel like I'm participating, because

26:38

that's the way the system works.

26:40

Hasn't been working for me, because

26:42

my guy hasn't won. But I

26:44

still know that I did my

26:46

best by voting for the person

26:48

that I wanted to be the

26:50

leader. And my voice is going

26:53

to be heard, whether it registers

26:55

or not. 416-872-10-10-10. Again,

26:57

416-8-7-2-10. I don't know that

26:59

it's a media thing to

27:01

say this is the most

27:03

important election. Certainly with the

27:05

way the polls are going,

27:07

people are telling you that.

27:09

I got into a bit

27:11

of, I don't think it

27:13

was an argument, I think

27:15

Jerry misunderstood me, but he

27:18

was like, no, the liberals

27:20

didn't lose. Sorry, the conservatives

27:22

didn't lose 27 points. Like

27:24

when you're at 39% in

27:26

the polls, he's right. They

27:28

didn't lose 27 points. Just

27:30

the NDP and the block

27:32

collapsed. That's what happened. Pierre

27:34

didn't lose a 27-point lead.

27:36

We like to say it

27:38

that way, but it's not

27:40

true. Here's David. David, why

27:42

vote for a party other

27:44

than the Liberals or the

27:46

Conservatives? MP is the only

27:48

green MP right now that's

27:51

probably going to win because

27:53

loose with Mason and lose

27:55

hers. Yeah. Her riding. But

27:57

yeah, so I voting green

27:59

and so are most people

28:01

in our riding because we

28:03

have the only green candidate

28:05

and he's going to win

28:07

again. So somebody thinks you

28:09

might try it or disguising

28:11

your voice. No, I don't

28:13

live in Guelph. Okay, yeah,

28:15

it's different here. Guelph is

28:17

not to that person, Mike,

28:19

but techno. So the Green

28:21

Party, the Green candidate is

28:24

going to win in your

28:26

riding, and that's why you're

28:28

voting green. Is that because

28:30

you really support the green

28:32

or you don't like the

28:34

other two? Well, ironically, I've

28:36

supported green for probably two

28:38

decades, and so I'm just

28:40

happy that I happen to

28:42

be living in the only

28:44

riding that... They're winning right

28:46

now, so it's it's I

28:48

don't know fortuitous all right

28:50

I Well, how would you

28:52

feel if the the the

28:54

the the the party that

28:57

you didn't want to win

28:59

the most ended up getting

29:01

a one-seat majority? Yeah That's

29:03

a tough one All right,

29:05

thank you appreciate it, but

29:07

good call Dave appreciate it

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free segment You're welcome. All

29:27

right Why vote for someone

29:30

other than the conservatives or

29:32

the liberals? What

29:36

you need is you always need

29:39

a minority government. That's why you

29:41

need three parties. If we don't

29:43

have three parties, what would this

29:45

be like the Americans? And you'll

29:47

either have a Democratic or Republican

29:50

government. Why do you want, I

29:52

mean, you could argue that what

29:54

the NDP has forced the liberals

29:56

to do is very good for

29:58

Canada. I understand why people would

30:01

like pharma care and dental care.

30:03

I would like it too if

30:05

we could actually afford it. I

30:07

don't think we should be doubling

30:10

down on things that we can't

30:12

effectively pay for. But why would

30:14

you, because I mean the Liberal

30:16

Party ended up doing stuff that

30:18

it didn't want to do just

30:21

so it could, you know, maintain

30:23

power. Why is that a good

30:25

thing? Well, the liberals had to

30:27

do a lot of things. We

30:29

were in COVID in 2020 and

30:32

a lot of things. I mean,

30:34

As far as the housing prices

30:36

and everything going out, that was

30:38

all a combination of the interest

30:40

rates going to what they were.

30:43

When they dropped the interest rates

30:45

down to 0% or 1%. That's

30:47

what created the housing market. That

30:49

was just uncontrollable. Okay, different topic,

30:52

but appreciate your phone call. In

30:54

a moment, it was really touched

30:56

by a different segment that Jerry

30:58

did earlier today. And it's unacceptable

31:00

that a veteran that served this

31:03

country that is battling all sorts

31:05

of demons would be offered up

31:07

the, hey, have you thought of

31:09

medical assistance in dying? That is

31:11

preposterous. The person behind these stories

31:14

in a moment, 445 News Talk

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listening to Jim Richards on News

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Talk 10 10, Toronto. If you're

31:23

young and voting, we're just in

31:25

general. I just wanted to ask

31:27

you in general, maybe you could

31:29

tie it to the election. And

31:31

maybe this is too broad, but

31:34

we thought we would ask, in

31:36

general, are people optimistic? Are you

31:38

optimistic? Coming up in 15 minutes

31:40

time. Just about the future. It

31:42

just sounds too... Now that I

31:45

say it out loud, it sounds

31:47

a little too vague. It'll like

31:49

a little too wide. No, it

31:51

doesn't need to be honed more.

31:53

Have faith, Jim. All right, we

31:56

have faith. I'm optimistic about it.

31:58

Are you? optimistic. I got to

32:00

tell you, man, coming back from

32:02

Afghanistan, so many of the soldiers

32:05

that went proudly there to defend

32:07

their country. This country had left

32:09

them down. I've interviewed a lot

32:11

of these dudes and some of

32:13

them I've said, If you had

32:16

to do it all over again

32:18

knowing what you know now because

32:20

the country failed them to give

32:22

them what they need to cope

32:24

with some of the issues that

32:27

they came back with, they said

32:29

no, they don't want to fight

32:31

their country for the proper, whether

32:33

it's medical things or any number

32:36

of different programs. They don't want

32:38

to fight their country. They don't

32:40

want to go on hunger strikes.

32:42

A great podcast, fantastic podcast, Mark

32:44

Menke, has is called Operation Tango

32:47

Romeo, where he talks to many

32:49

of the soldiers that have fought

32:51

on behalf of our country. Brian

32:53

Pasifumi was on with Jerry Egar

32:55

earlier today. He wrote about the

32:58

fact that there are many, there

33:00

are a handful of soldiers that

33:02

have been asked, well, have you

33:04

thought of medical assistance and dying?

33:06

To talk about that, Mark Menke

33:09

joins us right now, his podcast

33:11

again, Operation Tango Romeo. Mark, thank

33:13

you very much for shedding some

33:15

light on what's going on right

33:18

now. I appreciate you having me

33:20

on. Could you give me the

33:22

circumstances that Veterans Affairs have said

33:24

this to? I think you've documented

33:26

three soldiers that this has happened

33:29

to? Three that have come out

33:31

and used their name, but there's

33:33

many, many, many more. So Veterans

33:35

Affairs Canada, their service agents, how

33:37

they work is that they have

33:40

files by province. So when the

33:42

story originally broke a few years

33:44

ago, that was somebody that was

33:46

living in BC and they had

33:48

a BC service agent and then

33:51

Minister Macaulay at the time says,

33:53

oh, and this is just a

33:55

one-off that one of our service

33:57

agents went rogue and offered to

34:00

kill a veteran. said to help

34:02

them. It's just one though, it's

34:04

just one, honest, but that was

34:06

somebody in BC. Since then, I've

34:08

talked to an RCP member that

34:11

it happened to in Alberta, and

34:13

so you can't have a service

34:15

officer from BC if you're in

34:17

Alberta. We've talked to veterans in

34:19

Manitoba that have been on my

34:22

show as whistleblowers, Ontario, Quebec,

34:24

and numerous of them. So I don't

34:26

even know what we're at right now

34:28

for veterans, but the story that was

34:31

put out by Mr. McCauley when I

34:33

testified in Ottawa at the Standing Committee

34:35

at Veterans Affairs. The story that they

34:38

had was it was just one rogue

34:40

person and they swore on a stack

34:42

of Bibles it was only one veteran

34:44

that happened to until I brought two

34:47

more to the stage and is okay,

34:49

okay, okay. It was more. It was

34:51

four veterans, the government. says, and then

34:53

Christine Goate comes forward, says, hey, it

34:56

happened to me too, and they just

34:58

called her a liar instead of acknowledging

35:00

it. It's like, well, we don't see

35:02

any evidence of that. She must be

35:04

a liar. And of course, she isn't

35:07

a liar. It did happen to her.

35:09

And the person that knows the most,

35:11

but not everybody's willing to come forward,

35:13

so we keep their names quiet, is

35:15

Blake Richards, the shadow minister of Veterans

35:18

Affairs. He just had somebody last week

35:20

that has been offered it four separate

35:22

times. So, of course, it was system-wide.

35:24

It's unimaginable to

35:26

think that that's the case,

35:28

but there's no other explanation

35:31

of how it could be

35:33

so widespread across the country

35:35

in five different provinces that

35:37

little old me has discovered.

35:40

You know, and I don't even

35:42

have the resources. You would think

35:44

that there would be some sort

35:46

of documentation of saying, hey, we're

35:48

not to do this ever again.

35:51

can understand where maybe somebody thinks

35:53

like if I'm working for veterans

35:55

affairs and I have somebody at

35:57

their wits end and I can't

36:00

help them. I can understand how somebody

36:02

thinks, thinks that they're being compassionate, but

36:04

that is not an answer. It should

36:06

not ever be an answer. I don't

36:08

know maybe if they're freelancing because they

36:10

think that they're at their wet sand

36:12

and maybe it's a compassionate thing to

36:14

do, but it's certainly 100% should not

36:16

be something that should be coming out

36:18

of a government employee's mouth. I'm in

36:20

my sixth or seventh year now of

36:22

the show and what I do is

36:24

I'm an aggregate for healing modalities. One

36:26

of the three, one of my three

36:28

main pillars. So I go around and

36:30

I find everything I can that helps.

36:32

I find every helping healing modality from

36:35

psychedelics to veterans retreats and everything in

36:37

between and peer support and you name

36:39

it. And so I've got a pretty

36:41

good handle on what works and what

36:43

doesn't. I'm probably the subject matter expert

36:45

on resources for the country. And yet

36:47

Veterans Affairs Canada has never ever called

36:49

me. I've invited them on the show

36:51

numerous times. I could get... I can

36:53

get anybody, but I can't get veterans

36:55

affairs. But they've never called me, they've

36:57

never asked for advice for me or

36:59

anybody else in the healing community that

37:01

I know of, saying, hey, what do

37:03

people want? What works out there? You

37:05

know, what other services should we provide?

37:07

They've never asked that question. Instead, they

37:09

put us in this teeny weeny little

37:11

box and they say, shut up, sit

37:13

down. and just take it. Whatever we

37:16

spoon feed you, that's what you take,

37:18

and there are no other options. And

37:20

that's what they're doing. So there's a

37:22

pile of little mom and pop shops

37:24

out there trying to fill that gap,

37:26

including my show. But all the resources

37:28

are there, they're just not supported. They're

37:30

all privately funded. I'm so sorry that

37:32

we're out of time, but it seems

37:34

to me sometimes that when you hear

37:36

these worst case scenarios from health insurance

37:38

stories in the states where they're denying

37:40

people their benefits, that's what when veterans

37:42

affairs should be helping these men and

37:44

women. It seems more

37:46

like that the roadblocks

37:48

that they're there to

37:50

there to deny, than to

37:52

help and that's why

37:55

And know why, you know, that's

37:57

why when you

37:59

hear these stories, maybe

38:01

they're more likely they're

38:03

more likely, they're so

38:05

believable and tragic at

38:07

the same time same

38:09

I'm so sorry.

38:11

I'm out of time.

38:13

Thank you very

38:15

much for yours Thank you

38:17

so much. I

38:19

appreciate it. Please check

38:21

out the stories

38:23

as told out the stories as

38:25

told his podcast his podcast,

38:27

Operation Tango Romeo.