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Great time you're along for the ride. Thanks a lot for stopping

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by. Really glad to have you show the lady on. She's brave.

0:46

She will not cower down to your attitude. It

0:49

is Riley Gaines, former star swimmer and now

0:51

spokesman, spokeswoman for the Independent Women's

0:53

Forum. Riley, how are you? Good to see you again.

0:55

I am so glad to be on with you, Joe.

0:57

Thank you for having me. How's the show going? It's

1:00

great. Gosh, there seems to

1:02

be so many things that

1:04

you can create content around

1:06

nowadays. I mean, it's crazy all of the

1:08

different things that seem as if it should

1:11

be like

1:11

a Babylon B headline, but it's reality.

1:15

So it makes, it makes the job easy, huh? That

1:17

what it does, it makes the job easy for you

1:20

and for me. This is what we do now, but, but at

1:22

the end of the day, wouldn't you like to wake up one day and go, okay, they

1:24

finally understood. And they finally got it and they're going to stop this

1:26

garbage.

1:27

I would love that. I'm waiting for that

1:29

day, truthfully, because a lot of these issues,

1:32

it seems like they can truthfully have

1:34

no sustainability. But again, here

1:36

we are. Well,

1:37

I'm going to, I'm glad you said that because I,

1:40

for some reason I haven't changed this and maybe I should,

1:42

but when I opened my browser, it goes to some

1:44

MSN page or something, some Microsoft,

1:47

NBC garbage. And the, the, the

1:49

first story that they try to shove down your throat, and it's

1:51

the biggest story on the page, almost every

1:53

single day is a trans story

1:55

or a trans athlete story. And I'll give you the

1:57

example today. I just told you this before we started today.

1:59

And the headline is nine questions

2:02

for transgender swimmers, Skylar Bylar.

2:05

I didn't know Skylar Bylar, this is a biological

2:07

woman who has transitioned

2:09

allegedly to being a man, was recruited

2:12

to be a female swimmer, is now a male swimmer,

2:14

which also is completely ridiculous because now

2:16

she's somebody who is taking testosterone,

2:19

which I think the guy swimmers can say, that's unfair,

2:21

we can't take testosterone, this person is basically

2:23

taking steroids. But Riley, every

2:25

single day, this is from the Washington Post, every single

2:27

day, every single day, some large outlet

2:30

is pushing this on everybody, why? That's

2:33

a question we should all be asking ourselves,

2:35

why? As a

2:37

Christian, I have my own personal beliefs and I

2:39

see this entirely as spiritual warfare,

2:42

this whole gender ideology movement. But

2:45

I think, you know, it's worth pointing out too that

2:48

we see a lot of companies and organizations and

2:50

the medical profession and academia and

2:53

things like ESPN, the list goes on. We

2:55

see these people following the money, that's

2:58

why. They don't follow red, they don't follow blue,

3:00

they follow green. Just like the NCAA,

3:03

just like ESPN,

3:06

Hershey's, the list goes on of these

3:08

woke companies and organizations who have totally

3:11

caved to the woke fads

3:14

that we're seeing, plus

3:14

this country.

3:17

But when you put a headline like that, and it's one of the two

3:19

newspapers that we consider newspaper of record, we

3:21

did it historically, not anymore really, but the Washington

3:23

Post and the New York Times pushing this thing,

3:26

it makes some people that don't have the time to pay

3:28

as much attention to it as you and I, it makes

3:30

them think, well, this is kind of okay, this is somebody

3:33

who feels like he's a man now and is married to a

3:35

woman and wants to swim as a man, which is

3:37

a big deal. I think that's what they want us to get, they want

3:39

to beat us about the head until we say, I don't

3:42

really care anymore.

3:43

Exactly. That's how we got to

3:45

the point we're at now is because for too

3:47

long, you know, I think we, especially as conservatives,

3:50

we have our heads down, we're focusing on ourselves,

3:53

on our family, our career, the

3:55

things that matter to us, and suddenly

3:57

we're seeing all of this around the world.

3:59

us, but we got here because we were complacent.

4:03

We were silent. We were kind of left in the

4:05

dark, and now here we are."

4:06

So definitely, they want to

4:07

normalize it. That's why they're introducing it to young

4:09

kids, again, starting in academia,

4:12

teaching this stuff. There's no doubt about it.

4:14

It's all about normalization

4:17

of, truthfully, pedophilia, I

4:19

think is a big part of this movement. We

4:22

just saw another trans story of the week. We

4:24

just saw a 50-year-old trans person

4:28

competing in the 13-14 age

4:30

group category. So not only was this person

4:32

transgender, they were trans age.

4:35

And we're just told we have to accept this. Again,

4:38

it's lunacy. We're denying objective truth,

4:40

biological reality.

4:42

She hosts the Riley Gaines Show. She also is a spokeswoman

4:44

for the Independent Women's Forum. Where do we find... Do we go

4:46

to Outkick to find your show? Yes, anywhere

4:49

where you get your podcast. So Spotify,

4:52

Apple Podcasts, Outkick.com, absolutely.

4:55

I followed that story out of Canada yesterday, that

4:57

50-year-old man who's swimming against the 13-14-year-old

5:00

girls. And you and I, when we first spoke, maybe

5:02

the second or third time we spoke, we've been friends a long

5:04

time now. One of those times I said,

5:06

Riley, couldn't we solve this if

5:08

all of the athletes said, I'm not getting in the pool

5:11

with that guy. I'm not getting in that pool with that

5:13

50-year-old. I'm not going to let my 13-year-old daughter... Or I'm

5:15

not going to... To the NCAA, I'm not going to get in the pool

5:17

with Leah Thomas, who's a guy. And

5:20

your answer was, and it made sense to me, but I wonder

5:22

if you've changed. You said, yeah, but

5:24

then there are six people waiting for

5:27

every position that would then open up and eventually

5:29

the girls would get in the pool. Is that changing?

5:31

Because if the athlete said, no, the NCAA

5:34

loses all of its money and only has one

5:36

person in the pool, they have to make a change.

5:38

No doubt. And I will tell you, I have changed

5:41

my perspective on a lot of this because initially

5:44

I didn't think women and girls should have to sacrifice

5:46

anything. We worked hard. I know when

5:49

I was faced with it, I didn't want to have to give

5:51

up my opportunities, the

5:53

work that I had put in, but I'll tell you when

5:55

I changed my mind. I

5:57

changed my mind. This bill, the protection

5:59

of... of Women and Girls in Sports Act was introduced

6:01

in the US House by Representative Greg Stouby,

6:04

and it fell entirely on party lines.

6:06

Meaning 219 Republicans

6:09

voted in favor of protecting women's sports

6:11

in all 203 Democrats. Every

6:14

single last one of them voted in opposition

6:17

of protecting women and girls in sports. And that's

6:19

when I realized, I thought of course, legislation

6:22

was how we're going to fix this. And I still think that,

6:25

but if we wait for legislation,

6:28

too many girls are going to lose out on opportunities. Too

6:30

many girls are going to be exploited in locker rooms. Too

6:32

many girls are going to be injured in their sports,

6:35

especially sports that require some sort of physical

6:37

contact. It

6:40

has to be, I mean,

6:42

boycotts are known to be effective. That's

6:44

how we send the message that we have had enough

6:46

and we're saying no. So I do believe

6:49

now of course, we need

6:51

to not go when the gun

6:53

goes off. I'm glad to hear that you're happy

6:55

to evolve as the times change. Because

6:58

I don't think you were wrong then, and you're certainly not wrong now.

7:01

And you're right, when you can say because I've got

7:03

a D under my name, I'm going to vote no, because

7:05

I have an R under my name, I'm going to vote yes. That

7:07

doesn't make sense because, forget

7:09

everything else that we're talking about. The fact that

7:12

I can walk into any locker room, anywhere

7:14

I want, into the women or girls locker room,

7:17

and then say, well, I'm really an 18 year old female,

7:19

and you can't tell me otherwise, that

7:21

is a denigration of our society to

7:23

a point that people are unsafe. To a point

7:26

that those who want to rape and

7:28

molest them do bad things, are going to take advantage

7:30

of that, and say there anything they want to be that day, to

7:32

get access to their potential victims. That should

7:34

have been the stopping point, right?

7:36

Boom. It's that simple.

7:39

And it's not to water down the issue

7:41

of gender dysphoria. Right? Right. Of course,

7:43

I don't understand what this is. I don't,

7:46

because I don't struggle with it. But I do believe there

7:48

are people out there who do face

7:50

this mental delusion. But how can

7:52

we not acknowledge that the systems we have

7:54

in place allow for opportunistic males

7:57

to take advantage of women with ultimately women.

8:00

to come in collateral damage. That's

8:02

what the premise of these arguments are, and

8:04

not even just in sports, right? In

8:06

prisons, in domestic violence shelters,

8:08

in sororities like we're seeing at University of Wyoming,

8:11

where they've allowed a male into

8:13

their sorority house who undresses

8:15

and showers and walks around fully

8:18

exposed and erect, which is

8:20

perverse and disgusting. How

8:22

can we not acknowledge that the policies we have in

8:24

place allow for that to happen?

8:27

H. Riley Gaines, go and support her everywhere. It's

8:29

a spokeswoman for the Independent Women's Forum and find her podcast,

8:31

her show, the Riley Gaines show. You

8:34

just named one of the examples, but there are several

8:36

examples. You and I are not talking hypothetically here.

8:39

We know in Loudonville, Virginia, we know

8:41

that a boy walked in and raped

8:43

a girl. He said he was transgender. He wasn't.

8:47

And again, the whole transgender word has

8:49

been so used that it's almost

8:51

antiquated. It doesn't really mean anything. It's

8:53

a boy went into the locker room, sexually assaulted

8:55

a girl, and the girl's father, when he complained

8:57

at a school board meeting, got dragged out by police. And

9:00

what you just said about prisons, there are inmates

9:02

or men impregnating female

9:04

inmates when they say they're female in their house

9:07

with females. Literally, they're pregnant now. And

9:09

then the other case that you talked about as well, we know that

9:11

this is going on. So

9:14

why then as a society wouldn't we rise up like

9:16

in 1972 or 73, way before your time, but

9:18

I was around when they did Title IX. And

9:21

I asked, why are we doing this? Because girls have to have

9:23

the same opportunities as boys. In this day

9:26

and age, we're literally giving the opportunities that were made

9:28

for girls by Title IX to men

9:30

and males and boys, and we're

9:32

acting like it's somehow still beneficial to

9:35

girls. It blows my mind. I don't get

9:37

it.

9:37

Me too. In the name

9:39

of feminism, we are utterly and

9:41

entirely embracing the patriarchy,

9:44

as she loved to say. Yeah,

9:47

I think unfortunately, sometimes

9:50

things have to get worse before they get better.

9:52

And I think that's the point we're at now. I will

9:54

say, I do believe the tide is turning. I

9:57

do believe parents are waking up, and again, coaches

9:59

and female.

9:59

my athletes and

10:01

I think among the general public,

10:03

people are starting to understand how this movement

10:05

is harmful and it's not all laissez-faire like

10:08

we all were set to believe, you know, you

10:10

do you do your own thing, I'll do me,

10:12

we're past that, okay? And I think

10:14

people are starting to wake up and see that. I think

10:16

people are becoming more bold, more

10:18

empowered, more inspired to speak the truth.

10:21

But like I said, unfortunately sometimes it

10:24

does have to get worse before it gets better and

10:26

I think that's where we're at now.

10:28

There's an argument in this country and it's Riley Gaines,

10:30

we love having Riley Gaines on, go and follow her everywhere,

10:32

she's doing God's work out there protecting women and

10:34

girls in sports and well beyond. There

10:36

was a get-together recently for STEM, I guess

10:38

it's science, technology, engineering and math and

10:41

I guess there aren't enough females that are in those industries

10:44

so this was a female only STEM

10:47

engagement, some sort of a almost

10:49

like a job fair but only women were supposed to go. A

10:52

bunch of men showed up, only men showed up, they said

10:54

they were non-binary, they said that they don't identify

10:57

as men and that's it. Not one

10:59

female was benefited by this, not one extra

11:01

female in those jobs showed

11:04

up and Riley they're all afraid to

11:06

tell the guys to get the hell out. It's

11:08

almost as if the men are, I mean I

11:11

can go do anything I want today and just

11:13

claim that I'm something that I'm not and people

11:15

are afraid to say something. Are you finding that people

11:17

are raising their voices more? Because this was really,

11:19

this is very recently, it's like a month ago.

11:21

Yeah, this story was one truthfully

11:24

you can't help but laugh at. Right. Fortunately,

11:26

it was like comical, it's like oh my

11:29

gosh, this is almost hilarious.

11:31

Again, it goes back to being like a Babylon B headline.

11:34

Yes. Real life but

11:36

yeah, like I said I really, really

11:39

do. I think of course there's this fear,

11:41

there's this fear, there's this external

11:44

pressure being put on us but really I will say,

11:46

I think we're putting a lot of internal

11:48

pressure on ourselves. I think we're self canceling

11:51

ourselves before we even give someone else the option

11:53

to because we've labeled

11:55

people, it's either in this society we

11:58

live in now, you're either an oppressor. or

12:00

oppress and no one wants

12:02

to be an oppressor. And you know what the qualifications

12:05

for being an oppressor are? To be straight,

12:08

to be white, to be a Christian, especially

12:10

if you're a male, you're the ultimate oppressor.

12:12

And no one wants to feel like

12:15

they owe someone something.

12:17

They would rather be owed something. They

12:20

want to be marginalized, to be victimized.

12:22

It's a very weird mentality to have. But

12:24

yeah, I couldn't agree more. I think we're in

12:27

this mindset, you know, of the emperor

12:29

wears no clothes. And we all see

12:31

it, but no one is willing to call

12:34

it out. But the moral

12:36

of that story, once one person

12:38

calls it out, everyone else is like,

12:41

wait, we see this too. He's

12:43

not wearing clothes. And

12:45

I think hopefully this courage,

12:48

it begets courage, and there are certainly strengthened numbers.

12:51

And so hopefully, it will

12:53

start to spread like a wildfire because that's what we

12:55

need. I

12:56

think you've empowered so many people, men and

12:58

women, girls and boys, and I think people see what you're

13:00

doing and go, man, if she can put herself out there

13:02

and do this, maybe I can as well. And you made

13:04

such a great point. It's like when somebody calls

13:06

me a racist, and they've done that because I didn't like Obama's

13:09

policies or something. And I'll say, give

13:11

me one thing I've ever uttered that you could even

13:13

get close to qualifying as racist. And

13:15

the answer is, I just feel like

13:17

you are. And I'm like, well, that doesn't

13:19

matter. You actually have to have some evidence. The problem

13:22

is the white, generally speaking, white

13:24

male heterosexual Christians, when

13:27

they're called a racist will go, no, I'm not. I've got

13:29

black friends. And look, I went to this and I love black

13:31

people. Instead of doing that, just

13:33

do what Riley Gaines does. Hit me with some fact.

13:36

Tell me exactly what it is you've got a problem with

13:38

what I'm saying. And then we can have that debate in that conversation.

13:41

And they never do, Riley. They just want you to shut up.

13:44

And if they can get you to shut up, then they think that they somehow

13:46

win, right?

13:47

Exactly. But we can't give them that satisfaction.

13:50

Again, that's how we got here is because they

13:53

so desperately try and silence reason,

13:57

logic, science, common sense, and

13:59

they will do it through. whatever means they can.

14:02

But they can't dissuade from our argument.

14:04

When somebody does want to debate

14:06

you though, what is the debate point generally speaking?

14:08

Is it leave us alone, live and let live,

14:10

what's your problem? Is that the argument they try to

14:12

bring?

14:13

Yeah, it's a slew of things,

14:15

right? They'll say, you know, well, life is

14:17

about more than just winning sports. Okay,

14:20

that doesn't change. Tell

14:21

that to Leah Thomas.

14:23

Exactly, exactly. These people are transitioning.

14:26

I won't say they're transitioning necessarily to win,

14:28

but that's what's happening. They'll

14:32

say that there's no biological advantages between

14:35

men and women. You'll have people who say it's

14:37

really misogynistic to say women

14:39

can't achieve just the same things as men.

14:42

The arguments are ridiculous. So

14:44

you're the oppressor of women.

14:45

Yeah, yeah, that's misogynist.

14:48

How does that make any sense? And by the way,

14:50

scientifically, we know that males have a much

14:54

better benefit athletically than females do.

14:56

I love what you said in Congress. You said, you

14:58

know, I was the number one swimmer in the country and

15:00

my husband who wasn't can beat me easily.

15:02

I think you said he'll kick your butt in the pool. So

15:05

I mean, that in and of itself should have been enough.

15:07

But more times

15:10

than not, when we spoke last, they were trying

15:12

to shut you up. Are more people coming

15:14

out and listening now? Are more people coming out and going,

15:16

you know, I didn't think about it that way, but I

15:18

get it now,

15:20

Riley. I really feel like they

15:22

are. Last night I spoke at Harvard, for example.

15:25

Oh,

15:25

my God, Harvard must hate you. Are you serious?

15:27

Yeah, they have this

15:29

motto of Veritas, which means truth

15:32

or equality in Latin. But

15:35

they've strayed pretty far from that. But I'll say there

15:37

was a lot of people there in opposition. And

15:40

it was evident to me based on conversations

15:42

after the speech that these protesters,

15:45

they had their eyes opened and their minds changed.

15:47

And that's what makes it worth it.

15:50

And that's all we really want. You don't want to feel

15:52

like you've won. You want to feel like we're all agreeing

15:54

to the truth, because growing up,

15:56

the truth was always the truth to me. And what was fiction

15:58

was always fiction. And there wasn't really an in-between.

16:01

The idea that you have to believe their fiction

16:04

to make them feel better is ridiculous.

16:06

And let me ask you one last question because you've done this for

16:09

a while now and thank God you're not a dentist.

16:11

I know you wanted to be a dentist, but thank God you're not. I

16:13

would much rather have you out there speaking for common

16:15

sense and truth. When people come up and

16:17

finally get it, do they

16:20

thank you? I hope they do.

16:22

Of course they do. They understand who

16:25

I'm fighting for. It's so easy

16:28

to see the headlines and think anti-trans

16:31

athlete wants to ban

16:32

trans people. No, that's

16:34

not what

16:35

the argument is. The argument is pro-woman

16:37

athlete wants fairness in sport.

16:40

And once people can understand that, it

16:43

is kind of like this self-realization for

16:46

them. But I will tell you, I think the scariest

16:48

thing about our society, other than the

16:50

fact that it's a godless society, is

16:52

the inability to think for ourselves and the

16:54

unwillingness to admit when we're wrong. So

16:57

when people can't admit they're wrong, I think

16:59

that's an incredibly admirable trait for

17:02

anyone across the political

17:04

spectrum to possess.

17:07

I couldn't agree more. And the thing that sells

17:09

you the best other than you're smart and

17:11

you're wonderful and you're awesome is the

17:13

fact that you're not in the pool anymore. You're not

17:15

doing this to help your next competition. You're

17:18

out of it. And you're still doing this to

17:20

make sure the next girl's coming up have a fair

17:22

shake. I mean, that in and of itself is the

17:24

selling point everybody should walk away with.

17:27

No doubt. It's for people like my younger

17:29

sister, right? Or my husband

17:31

and I, we've been married for a year and a half and can only

17:33

hope to have a daughter of our

17:35

own one.

17:36

That's who I'm fighting for. I cannot understand

17:38

the trajectory of this and what will happen

17:40

if someone doesn't fight. And that's

17:43

what scares me. That's what scares me more than

17:45

the backlash or the negative comments

17:47

or whatever it might be. It

17:49

scares me for my daughter's future, my sister's

17:52

future, the next generation. That's

17:54

what this is about.

17:55

I love that you're out there fighting for all of us. Thank

17:57

you, Riley. Riley Gaines going to get her show, the Riley

17:59

Gaines show. wherever you love to get your podcasts,

18:01

go download it, go watch it, go listen to it. And

18:04

also the spokeswoman for the Independent Women's Forum. Keep up the

18:06

fight, Riley. Thanks a million. You

18:08

rock, Joe. Thank you. You rock. We're

18:11

back after this. Stay right here. You're

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listening to Joe

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