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day! Oprah's doing an episode

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on Psycho Dogs. How about

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that? God bless. Yeah, you don't

0:17

do a fucking... Are we rolling

0:19

yet? Are we rolling? Are we

0:21

rolling? Are we rolling? Yeah? Yeah.

0:23

Yeah, you don't do an episode

0:26

on Psycho Dogs unless you

0:28

fucking visited the Maya. Unless

0:31

you got in there. You

0:33

think it's Ayahu or mushrooms?

0:36

Most of those fancy people

0:38

like to do the Ayahu.

0:40

Yeah. You know, because then

0:43

you can claim spirituality above

0:45

all other people. Oh, you

0:48

think there's like a pretentiousness?

0:50

Oh, 100%. There's a, I've done

0:53

it. I've experienced Gaia. Yeah.

0:55

It's like, I think. I

0:57

think people do really do experience that,

0:59

but also there's a certain type of

1:01

personality that wants to let you know

1:04

that they're enlightened. Yeah. They're further down

1:06

the road than you, Andrew. Yeah. And

1:08

like one way to get like instant

1:10

street cred in the psychedelics world is

1:13

to say you do Iowaaska. Yeah. And

1:15

if you do mushrooms, you might just

1:17

be some asshole to party. Yeah. You

1:19

and your friends are just fucking giggling

1:21

non-stop on the couch. It could be

1:24

that. There's no points in mushrooms. Right.

1:26

You don't get points for that. You

1:28

can say, you say you took a

1:30

heroic dose. You'll get points amongst the

1:33

learned. Like, oh. But the casuals don't

1:35

give a fuck. The casuals don't get

1:37

it. We're going to pay attention a

1:40

little bit. Yeah, the casuals

1:42

are going to go, why did you

1:44

eat eight grams? Yeah. That seems crazy.

1:46

But the other people are going to

1:48

go, whoa, what was that like? Yeah,

1:50

I mean, this is not my

1:52

friend Mark Bell's page, Mark Smelly

1:55

Bell. And he said, what fucking

1:57

year we live in? like what

1:59

is happening here what's going on

2:01

yeah I wonder if the I

2:03

was good thing is a for

2:06

some like a quick fix you

2:08

know they're looking for like immediate

2:10

life change oh yeah for

2:12

sure and also sometimes your

2:14

life has been such a

2:16

colossal series of failures that

2:18

you want like some symbolic

2:20

reset yeah and probably there's

2:22

a lot of value in

2:24

like a real like a like set

2:27

and setting like a ritual yeah I'm

2:29

a merge I'm a new person at

2:31

least maybe that bullshit will give you

2:33

some momentum for real to kind of

2:35

get on the right track I was talking

2:37

to Neil about this Neil you know

2:39

he he did it he did it

2:41

he's done a lot of this yeah

2:43

because he was trying you know he

2:46

was really battling this stuff yeah maybe

2:48

that's it what if it's just Chicken

2:50

is all he needs like what? Just

2:52

in the rib eye out in Costa

2:54

Rica looking toads and he really For

2:56

real If I had that dude over

2:58

my house and cooked him some elk

3:01

steak, I'll change his fucking life Just

3:03

you make an agreement just eat this

3:05

with me. He takes one bite and

3:07

he's like I am worthy Yeah, but I

3:09

think he was talking about it and then

3:11

like And he was, you know, you know,

3:13

one of his like superpowers is his like

3:16

cynicism, right? And it's really debilitating. And I

3:18

tell him to this all the time, but

3:20

like, it's also amazing because he's like hyper

3:22

aware of what the most negative thing could

3:24

be. Right. So for joke writing, it's amazing.

3:26

It's like, he's constantly one of like, what

3:28

would his biggest hater think? I actually think

3:31

it was, it was one of the reasons

3:33

why Chappelzjo was so successful because it was

3:35

so successful because it's like, like, like, like,

3:37

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

3:39

like, like, like, like, So if you can

3:41

outsource your criticism, so if Dave can like

3:43

think about these things and be like,

3:45

okay, this is awesome, and then Neil

3:48

can be like, yeah, but this would

3:50

be said if we do this, and

3:52

then together, you have this like perfect

3:54

combination of like Uber confidence and then

3:56

this insecurity, and then you make these

3:58

things that are just masterpiece. hyper analytical

4:00

insecurity. Yes, you know, like intelligent hyper

4:02

animal. Yeah, when you're smart and insecure,

4:04

it's even worse. Dumb and insecure, you

4:06

can manage. But then he said, he

4:08

did the I wasa and he was

4:10

like, yeah, it gave me this like,

4:12

I don't know, feeling of connectedness or

4:14

whatever people experienced through it. And he's

4:16

like, it was really liberating. I think

4:19

I did my best work afterwards, because

4:21

I wasn't constantly beating myself up. Like

4:23

I was able to create. So I

4:25

think there is value in it. But

4:27

I do think sometimes people are looking

4:29

for like the quick. Okay, my life

4:31

has changed now and now I connect

4:33

with the world and we're perfect. You

4:35

can always tell the guys who beat

4:37

themselves up because they beat other people

4:39

up too. What is it? I

4:41

hurt people, hurt people. Yeah, the guys who

4:43

beat themselves up, they're always like super critical

4:45

about it, but look at him. Yeah, fucking

4:47

bullshit. Did you ever go through a stage

4:49

like that? Not really. Never. No, I figured

4:51

out when I was 21, real lucky. I

4:53

talked about this the other day, there was

4:56

one time, it was an open mic night,

4:58

and the guy went on after me, I

5:00

was hoping that he would bomb. And I

5:02

remember thinking that like, like, what a bitch,

5:04

like, what a bitch-ass way to ask, like,

5:06

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, what

5:08

a bitch-ass, like, like, like, like, like, like,

5:10

like, like, like, what a, like, what a,

5:12

what a, like, like, what a, like, like,

5:14

what a, like, what a, like, like, like,

5:16

like, what a, like, like, like, what, what,

5:18

what, what, like, Yeah, but there's such a

5:20

bitch ass what I think and I completely

5:22

shifted my perspective Because like you don't think

5:24

like that with martial arts like you can't

5:26

think like that You can't think like that.

5:28

Yeah, you can't think like that ever. That's

5:30

like a weak-ass thought. Yes, and then I

5:33

realize like oh, this is like your brain

5:35

trying to occupy itself with you know this

5:37

time that's going to be between you and

5:39

your goal of doing something in comedy and

5:41

it's so far away you suck you're 21

5:43

years old and you suck so everybody else

5:45

got a suck so you want people to

5:47

fail and you want to do better yeah

5:49

it's like it just a total scrambly I

5:51

don't know what I'm doing with my life

5:53

thought yeah I realize I was like oh

5:55

that's a bitch-ass thought but that is very

5:57

normal for human beings oh yeah I thought

5:59

a bitches out there yeah like we're kind

6:01

of bitch made in general like it takes

6:03

more effort to not to not be a

6:05

bit Actually, especially if you have a job.

6:07

So if you have a regular job job

6:10

like an office job You will pretend to

6:12

be a whole different person for eight hours

6:14

a fucking day every day of your life

6:16

that you're there Yeah, that is a lot

6:18

of time bullshitting. Yeah, and when you get

6:20

out all that bullshitting, there's not much you

6:22

left Whatever could have been you never grew

6:24

because whatever could have been you was stifled

6:26

by fluorescent lights in a fucking monitor. You're

6:28

watching severance right? Oh, yeah I mean clearly it's

6:30

a metaphor for I don't know there's

6:32

a lot of things that go on to

6:34

it. There's a lot going on. And also

6:37

shout out Ben Stiller I didn't even know

6:39

Ben had this like level to him. I've

6:41

always respected Ben I thought he was hilarious

6:43

making great comedy movies but I didn't know

6:46

he was like an avant-garde storyteller right right

6:48

I mean this is the way it's shot

6:50

it's the way it's shot every episode

6:52

every shot. I don't know who the

6:54

DP is, like we should find out who

6:57

that guy is, but every shot has like

6:59

perfect symmetry. Did you notice that? I didn't

7:01

notice it. You could cut the screen

7:03

in a half every single shot.

7:05

Really? It is masterpiece. But I think

7:08

about that, like, this idea of like

7:10

severing yourself, a lot of people are

7:12

doing that at work anyway. 100%. This

7:14

is what you're describing. They're this other

7:16

person at work at work for eight

7:19

hours a day for eight hours a

7:21

day. Well that's why it's so easy to push

7:23

like crazy woke nonsense into an office space

7:25

because people are already bullshitting. Oh so for

7:27

already pretending here what else are we going

7:29

to pretend about? What else I have to

7:31

do to keep this job? Yeah. What do

7:33

I have to do to get a promotion?

7:35

What do I have to do? Do I

7:37

have to pretend that trans kids, what is

7:40

it? Drag Queen shows, okay I'm in, I'm

7:42

in, health care, yes, I'm my dick, whatever

7:44

you want to call it. And it's gender

7:46

affirming, was that what we're calling it? Okay.

7:48

And it's interesting, like, to see how little

7:50

pushback there is about, like, from the workers,

7:52

now that all these, like, programs are being wiped

7:54

away. Well, the people that are losing their

7:56

job are complaining hard. And then the

7:58

senators are complaining hard. But everybody else is

8:01

happy. Yeah, the people who've been faking it

8:03

at work that are still working there are not

8:05

like, damn it, you know what I mean? They're

8:07

just going, all right, I get to be like

8:09

a little closer version to myself. Well, they're

8:11

probably going to get fired. At Disney? You're

8:13

saying at Disney? What do you mean? I'm

8:15

saying all these programs have come out, maybe

8:17

not Disney, but it was like, Zuckerberg comes

8:20

out and goes, yeah, Meadow, we're not going

8:22

to do the DEA, I think Amazon even

8:24

came out and said it. I thought you're

8:26

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whole job was to make sure.

10:00

that the company was diverse. Right. And

10:02

it's like, do you remember the Rainbow

10:04

Coalition? You remember Jesse Jackson back

10:06

in the day? Jesse Jackson used to.

10:09

And I know Jesse, but I would like

10:11

to know. He had this thing where he

10:13

would go to businesses, like if they had

10:15

some sort of a dispute, like say if

10:18

there's some sort of an issue, like maybe

10:20

some black executive got fired, maybe shouldn't of,

10:22

or someone put something on the wall

10:25

in the bathroom, something. Jesse Jacks will

10:27

come in for a free nominal fee.

10:29

For a nominal fee. Yeah, he will

10:31

come in and straight in your business out and

10:33

so what is straight in your business? I'll

10:35

make sure that you guys are on the

10:37

right track give a little speech collect a

10:39

little check and then what? So basically say

10:41

you're not racist Absolutely, you're

10:43

not ready. You can't be

10:45

raises of your hiring Jesse Jackson,

10:48

you know, we're on the right

10:50

track. So he comes along, gives

10:52

you the rubber stamp, legend, and

10:55

then, and he's like bawling, like

10:57

bawling out of control, just giving

10:59

the rubber stamps to these companies.

11:02

And then on top of that,

11:04

what they do is then they

11:07

would have jobs for people to

11:09

oversee this activity. is here? It's

11:11

a big convention center. New York

11:14

City. This is where like Comic-Con would be

11:16

and all these different things. Big stuff. And

11:18

it was mobbed up, right? Mobbed up. So

11:20

they would have all these fake jobs that

11:22

you could give to the guys around the

11:24

block. Yeah. Everybody's getting paid and is probably

11:27

supported by the city in some way, right?

11:29

I don't want to say his name because

11:31

he's still around, but he was an actor.

11:33

and uh... i was uh... working with him

11:35

and uh... he was explaining he's got a

11:38

no show job he i knew he was

11:40

i know who you're talking about it's a

11:42

fucking great guy okay afterwards everybody who's like

11:44

that guys like so mob top yeah yeah

11:46

it's like no show job it was funny

11:49

about you get like two hundred grand a

11:51

year you don't have to work yeah yeah

11:53

i mean there's a lot of like in

11:55

that construction jobs and stuff like this is

11:58

well this is what you know it's work

12:00

finding. USAID found this place in San Antonio

12:02

that you thought it was only Ukraine getting

12:04

money for not gonna. It's fucking, no one

12:06

was there, completely empty. To me it's not

12:08

like shocking but the number's a shock. No

12:10

the numbers can get shocking but it's funny

12:12

that Jesse Jackson thing is an actual job

12:14

because I remember like I had a joke

12:16

that it could never work out but the

12:18

idea was was based on um it was

12:20

It was Black Lives Matter when Ukraine started

12:22

popping, right? So everybody had the Black Lives

12:25

Matter posters in their windows in New York.

12:27

And when Black Lives Matter kind of came

12:29

down... Well, it's once those ladies got caught

12:31

buying houses. Of course, of course. That put

12:33

a dent in it. It wasn't great. So

12:35

now there's all these white people in New

12:37

York that have Black Lives Matter in their

12:39

window, but they're like, I gotta get this

12:41

out of my window. So I had this

12:43

idea for a joke where it's like, if

12:45

I was a black dude, I would set

12:47

up a business where we will take down

12:49

your Black Lives Matter poster for you and

12:51

then replace a Ukraine flag. You know what

12:53

I mean? So like you're like you're still

12:55

like you're still like you're still like you're

12:57

still like you're still like you're still like

13:00

you're still like you're still like you're still

13:02

like you're still like you're still like you're

13:04

still like you're still like you're still like

13:06

you're still like you're still like you're still

13:08

like you're still like you're still like you're

13:10

still like you're still like you're still like

13:12

you're still like you're still like you're still

13:14

like you're still like Jesse was doing it

13:16

in the fucking seven? I had no clue

13:18

the Rainbow Coalition already worked. That is what

13:20

it's called, right? Yeah, it was the Rainbow

13:22

Coalition. He had a bunch of other things

13:24

he would call it under, but the whole

13:26

idea was just to make sure that people

13:28

weren't... doing the wrong thing. Yeah. Do the

13:30

right thing. Yeah, you gotta do the right

13:32

thing. You gotta do the right thing. You

13:35

gotta do the right thing. You always gotta

13:37

do it. Yeah, but the problem with that

13:39

is it gets hijacked. Obviously, there should be

13:41

zero racism. There should be zero discrimination. Everything

13:43

should be merit-based. Yeah. But the problem with

13:45

that is, and this is a real problem,

13:47

the country's not merit-based, and you get real

13:49

lucky or really fucking unlucky. Yeah. And as

13:51

a community, as a country, we pay zero

13:53

attention to the completely downtrodden. I think this

13:55

is the biggest mistake that the Democrat party

13:57

has made is not making it a...

13:59

class issue, like

14:01

the most successful people in the party, like

14:04

Bernie, and like her politics are not, but

14:06

like AOC, they make it a class issue

14:08

every single time. I think AOC pulled the

14:10

same as Trump in her district. Why is

14:12

that? Because people think that

14:14

she wants to help, and Bernie has just been

14:16

taking shots the entire time. He's like, look

14:18

at all these billionaires. They got a lot of

14:20

money. You don't have enough money. Campaign finance

14:22

is fucked up. We need to stop that. There's

14:24

too much influence with people with money, and

14:26

it resonates with people. Oh, yeah, man. We feel

14:29

like you want to help. I mean, you,

14:31

I feel like you were like a big Bernie

14:33

dude. Dude, that was the first time I

14:35

really got canceled was over Bernie, because they didn't

14:37

want Bernie to win. And so they started

14:39

calling me racist and homophobic, and I was like,

14:41

where is this coming from? When Bernie started

14:43

popping, what did they say? Right? They had to, I don't

14:45

know who they is. You could call whoever the fuck they want.

14:47

But like, there was this idea that

14:49

they had to like thwart his

14:51

success, and these articles started coming out

14:53

where it was like the Bernie

14:56

bros. Yeah. Bernie's got a problem. His

14:58

fans or supporters are sexist, they're

15:00

racist, and they're these bros that are

15:02

fucked up, and they're radioactive, and

15:04

they're bad people, and he's got a

15:06

real problem. So they're trying to

15:08

make him radioactive. And I remember seeing

15:10

the reaction to Trump coming on the pods, and

15:13

it was the exact same playbook. It

15:15

was like the manosphere pods. Yeah. They're

15:17

sexist. They're racist. Look how fucked this.

15:19

Like, you're doing the same thing. Yeah.

15:21

You're making it about identity politics. I

15:24

think Americans are kind of simple in

15:26

that like, we want abundance, but

15:28

we want access. So if eggs are expensive,

15:30

I can't care about your bathrooms, right? Like,

15:32

and you need to tap into that feeling

15:34

right there. So from the Democrats, I'm just,

15:36

this is a class issue. But

15:38

I feel, unfortunately, a lot of

15:40

them are in the pockets

15:42

of these wealthy people. Yeah.

15:45

It's all a hustle. If

15:47

we had the entire time, if we

15:49

had brilliant people working for the betterment of

15:51

the United States, it'd be a far better

15:53

place to live in. We've had a bunch

15:55

of people that are capitalizing off of the

15:57

fact they get in this position of extreme

15:59

influence and wealth. Yeah. and they make insane amounts

16:01

of money for people with a hundred and

16:03

seventy thousand dollar a year salary and they

16:05

keep it rolling so how do you how

16:08

do you how do you find someone

16:10

who wants power but is also

16:12

benevolent because you gotta get rare

16:14

human being that's the thing most

16:16

people who want power don't exactly

16:18

want to give back yeah it's a

16:20

bottomless pit bro have you ever seen people

16:22

get like a little bit of power and

16:24

lose their fucking marbles like who Well, I can't

16:27

say. I can't tell a story, because

16:29

it's like real obvious what I'm talking

16:31

about. But it's not one of our

16:33

friends. I just don't want to say

16:35

it publicly. It's not, you don't even

16:38

know. Okay. But I've seen people, but

16:40

just like, you get a job where

16:42

you're the boss now, and you just

16:44

become a cut and a half. Like,

16:47

what happened? Do you think it

16:49

exposes who they always? It's

16:51

probably both. They probably had weak

16:53

character to begin with, but they

16:55

could get away with it if they

16:57

were not in situations that, you know,

16:59

caused a lot of anxiety or stress, but

17:02

then as soon as they do get

17:04

in a situation, like if you're the

17:06

boss of some workplace somewhere. I've

17:08

just seen people just completely lose

17:11

their shit when people rely on

17:13

them and depend on them. They

17:15

just become tyrants. Do you think that

17:18

they resent the dependence? I

17:20

don't know what it is man. I

17:22

don't know what it is. You have a

17:24

lot of people that depend

17:26

is yeah I would say depend

17:28

is tricky because they have the

17:31

autonomy to not do that but

17:33

there are a lot of people that

17:35

definitely rely on you

17:37

and Yeah, do you feel pressure

17:39

from me? Yeah, no, really no, I

17:41

feel like you took care like before you

17:43

Open the comedy club you were taking care

17:45

of these people that you asked to come

17:48

out here and work for you So you

17:50

must have felt this concern for them Yeah,

17:52

didn't you hire them and weren't you paying

17:54

them even before the club was open? Yeah.

17:56

Well, they were all unemployed out of LA.

17:58

So I said listen, we're gonna open up

18:00

a club, we're going to find a

18:02

spot, but you could start immediately. So

18:04

like you just get paid, enjoy Austin,

18:06

kick back, relax, we'll call you in

18:08

about a year and a half. It

18:10

was around two years. But you felt

18:12

the responsibility. Yes, but it didn't burden

18:15

me. It wasn't like, oh, this is

18:17

a heavy responsibility. It was like, this

18:19

is smart, we could do this, this

18:21

is the right thing to do, this

18:23

way, we already have the best people.

18:25

that you know got fired from the

18:27

comedy store because comedy store couldn't open

18:29

because LA's retarded. And so we got

18:31

them all to come out here and

18:33

it's like, look, the right thing to

18:36

do is to like pay them now

18:38

and we'll figure that out. We just

18:40

had to figure out where the spot

18:42

was and then obviously once we got

18:44

the spots like this is going to

18:46

be along. We're going to have to

18:48

put some construction on this bitch and

18:50

do a lot of shit. It's going

18:52

to take some months. So you knew

18:55

it was going to take time. You're

18:57

like, OK, I'm going to take care

18:59

of them in the interim. But again,

19:01

so you're not burdened by people feeling

19:03

like they rely on you or anything?

19:05

No, it doesn't bother me. No. If

19:07

it burdened me, like if it was

19:09

something where I was going to run

19:11

out of money, like if I was

19:13

stretched real thin. Yeah. it's okay it's

19:16

just it's like to decide what you

19:18

think about in this life what do

19:20

you mean by that decide what you

19:22

think about in this life if you

19:24

Are you going to do something that's

19:26

going to change the way you feel

19:28

about having a bunch of employees? Or

19:30

are you not? Or are you just

19:32

going to freak out about it? Like

19:35

decide what you think about things. What

19:37

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19:39

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20:48

only. Will is real. Okay, I know

20:50

it's real because it exists in me.

20:53

The idea though is that it's fleeting

20:55

and it's dependent upon a

20:57

multitude of factors. Your will

20:59

is really dependent upon your

21:02

hormone levels, your genetics, how

21:04

much sleep you've had, what

21:06

positive or negative experiences of

21:09

shape doing your life is a

21:11

lot going on that like forces you

21:13

into this position where you have to

21:15

decide whether or not will is real.

21:18

I believe it's real. It's

21:20

100% real. Yeah. Like

21:22

I know, it's not

21:24

determinism that makes... David

21:26

Goggins run harder than anybody else.

21:29

It's will. Yeah, it's a hundred

21:31

percent will his knees are destroyed

21:33

Yeah, it's only will yeah, that

21:35

just gets you up off the

21:38

couch. Yeah, if your knees are

21:40

destroyed and you run a tidy

21:42

30 miles that day Yeah, yeah,

21:44

that's not that's not determinism. Yeah,

21:47

it was determinism. There'd be tons

21:49

of those guys out there. Yeah,

21:51

a small Cameron Haynes small little

21:53

fucking handful of these like psychotic

21:56

people who have incredible will,

21:58

world champion fighters. Gordon

22:00

Ryan and Jiu Jitsu, like there's a,

22:02

like Gordon Ryan works out every fucking

22:04

day of the week, 365 days a

22:06

year. It's a huge sacrifice. If you

22:08

want to be really great at something,

22:10

you kind of have to be out

22:12

of your fucking mind, but you also

22:14

have to have an iron will. Yeah.

22:16

You don't want to work out every

22:18

day. Yeah. There's going to be days

22:20

you just want to eat cake and

22:22

sleep. Yeah. But if you want to

22:24

get past the guy who eats cake

22:26

and sleeps, you don't eat cake and

22:29

you don't sleep. That's will,

22:31

dude. That's will. There's a,

22:33

I don't, your determinism can

22:35

suck my dick because it's

22:37

never, there's no just like

22:40

accidental amazing people. Yeah. Yeah, you know,

22:42

it's like a lot of similar stories.

22:44

Just single bomb, you know, started doing

22:46

this, started doing, invented something when he

22:48

was 18. Do they all come from

22:50

trauma, you think? I think a lot

22:52

of people that are hyperambitious come from

22:54

a shitty environment. And what is that

22:56

connection? I think it's probably wanting

22:58

something better than you're experiencing and knowing

23:00

that it's possible that it's out there

23:03

and knowing the pain of living in

23:05

the ghetto or the pain of being

23:07

on food stamps the pain of poverty

23:09

and the fact that like when you're

23:11

poor and you're young you wonder whether

23:13

or not you're going to have food

23:16

you know that's a scary thought for

23:18

a child that's motivating yeah it puts

23:20

a kind of fire in you like

23:22

you don't get a Mike Tyson if he

23:24

grows up and Brentwood. You know, you get

23:26

them when they grow up in Bedford-Stuyvesant. You

23:29

know, you don't get them when they have

23:31

an awesome dad and an awesome mom who

23:33

was there for their baseball games, tells them

23:35

what a great job they did and consoles

23:37

them when they get hurt. And like, no,

23:40

no, no. You have like a life of

23:42

pain and then you got some pain to

23:44

dish out after that. But I feel like

23:46

it's not completely dependent on that. You know like

23:48

I wouldn't say that I had this like

23:50

life of pain like I've you know dealt

23:53

with my shit, you know But I feel

23:55

incredibly competitive and ambitious. Well, you're an artist.

23:57

It's a different thing right? Yeah, the reason

23:59

why it's different thing is you're an

24:01

artist in a very specific genre which

24:04

is talking shit you're a shit talking

24:06

artist right like shit talking to that

24:08

shit is what it is it is

24:11

what it is it's beautiful it's a

24:13

professional shit talkers my favorite art form

24:15

yeah and shit talking artists they want

24:18

to be around a bunch of people

24:20

and have a good time. Right? So

24:22

you don't need to come from trauma

24:25

to be ambitious and be a shit-talking

24:27

artist. Yeah. All you have to do

24:29

is like be someone who admires success

24:32

and who wants to progress and keep

24:34

getting better at this thing that they

24:36

love that has given them so much.

24:39

Yeah, but you also have to sacrifice

24:41

and you have to commit to things.

24:43

Right. You know, I do feel like

24:45

it takes. Like I mean, I didn't...

24:48

I mean, in the beginning, like, I

24:50

don't think I celebrated a birthday for

24:52

like a decade, like, I don't think

24:55

I ever considered, like, taking a vacation

24:57

or anything, like, I was just so

24:59

hungry to get after it, to get

25:02

good, to be, like, undeniable. That was,

25:04

like, this goal. It's like, how can

25:06

I be undeniable? I would see these

25:09

guys go up, like, fucking Grear barns,

25:11

or, Mike Di Stefano, and I'd just

25:13

be like, like, they're just, they're just,

25:16

just, just, just, just, just, just, just,

25:18

just, just, just, just, just, just, just,

25:20

just, just, just, Yeah, I don't know

25:23

I just I didn't even fucking drink

25:25

I think for like a decade I

25:27

was like I got to get better

25:30

at this I got to just kind

25:32

of work and Maybe that comes from

25:34

like watching my parents work hard or

25:36

something. I'm sure that helps. Yeah, they

25:39

were really hard workers. Yeah, and that's

25:41

like the expectation of work Well also

25:43

you have a lot of gratitude and

25:46

I think if you have gratitude you

25:48

realize how fortunate you are to have

25:50

the ability to work hard Yeah, because

25:53

that's a real thing. Oh, dude. Especially

25:55

working hard at something that you're actually

25:57

successful at. Like once you're actually successful,

26:00

keep that foot on the gas, motherfucker.

26:02

It is. Keep that foot on the

26:04

gas, let's go. That's like the balance.

26:07

Like you just put something out. So

26:09

I imagine you took a little time

26:11

off afterwards. Yeah, I did. I got

26:14

like 25 minutes right now. Okay, so

26:16

you're building back. Yeah. And like, I

26:18

find in order for the... next thing

26:21

I do to be different, I have

26:23

to take time away. Uh-huh. Because I

26:25

have to like reflect on the changes

26:27

in my life. And if I keep

26:30

going like earlier in my career, I

26:32

would just go, go, go, go. And

26:34

I found I was writing different versions

26:37

of the same jokes. Right. Like they

26:39

were different jokes, but it was. Same

26:41

topic, same kind of reaction, and I

26:44

think it was, I just wasn't. You're

26:46

trying to fill time. I'm on the

26:48

road, I'm like, I gotta go back

26:51

to Albany next year. You gotta do

26:53

another hour. I'm making $1,500 a weekend.

26:55

And then you get connected to that

26:58

material because you've been doing it for

27:00

a while. Yeah. And then it doesn't

27:02

really resonate with you. Yeah. I think

27:05

it's wise. Yeah, I think taking time

27:07

and thinking about it is really wise

27:09

and thinking about like what are the

27:11

things that are that are on your

27:14

mind like what is What is a

27:16

how do you really feel about this

27:18

world that we're living this this world

27:21

that seems more and more like it's

27:23

not real? More more like it's a

27:25

fucking simulation. Yeah, something going on. There's

27:28

something more to reality than what meets

27:30

the eye. There's more to it than

27:32

what you could put on a scale

27:35

or what you could put a rule

27:37

or two. This is more to this

27:39

thing. This thing is made out of

27:42

some very bizarre energy that's attached to

27:44

consciousness. That's what I think. What do

27:46

you mean by this? I think that,

27:49

like, I think it's really possible. First

27:51

of all, it's inevitable that one day

27:53

they will achieve a simulation. that is

27:56

indiscernible from reality. Okay. And no doubt

27:58

about it. They've gotten real close, you

28:00

know, where you could put on haptic

28:02

feedback suits, you can see things, and

28:05

you feel like you're in a room.

28:07

They're, you know, it's crude, but it's

28:09

like, you know, Nintendo from 20 years

28:12

ago versus, you know, some modern warfare

28:14

game now. Right. They're going to get

28:16

to a point where it's indiscernible. So

28:19

if it does happen, how do you

28:21

know? How do you know when that

28:23

takes place? Now here's the question. Is

28:26

that the ultimate progression of technology? Is

28:28

the ultimate progression of technology transcending physical

28:30

reality and becoming completely digital life? So

28:33

if that is possible, how do we

28:35

know if it hasn't already happened? One

28:37

thing, I would say that if this

28:40

world was scripted, it would be filled

28:42

with a lot of shit that's exactly

28:44

like what happened. Trump would get shot

28:46

in the ear and say fight, fight,

28:49

fight, you would have Elon Musk at

28:51

the inauguration looking like he's on another

28:53

planet. Now Joe, I just want to

28:56

make the point here, you're making the

28:58

argument for determinism. No, I'm not. I'm

29:00

making the argument that there's a conscious...

29:03

interface. There's consciousness and it's interfacing with

29:05

something that's not entirely real and that

29:07

is the life that we're living in.

29:10

Yeah. And we think it's way realer

29:12

than it actually is. Yeah. So is

29:14

somebody in control of it or they're

29:17

allowing us to have some semblance of

29:19

control? I feel like it might be

29:21

controlled by the actual things that are

29:24

inside of it. So I think our

29:26

destiny is truly in our hands. I

29:28

really believe that. And then if that

29:31

is the case, how is that not

29:33

real? Well, it is real in a

29:35

sense, but I think that the actual

29:37

way that things happen and work is

29:40

dependent entirely on the level of consciousness

29:42

that people have that are experiencing it.

29:44

It sounds like very hippie-dippy and wooy,

29:47

and it all comes from a lot

29:49

of different things, but one of it

29:51

comes from Tom Campbell, who wrote this

29:54

like very fucking bizarre book that I've

29:56

listened to an audio book twice now,

29:58

where he's talking about essentially what we

30:01

think of as reality is just a

30:03

simicness. Okay. The whole entire thing is

30:05

our consciousness interpreting everything as we experience

30:08

it throughout the day. But when we

30:10

are not here, that is not the

30:12

same thing. What do you mean when

30:15

we're not here when we die? Like

30:17

when we're not, if you're not on

30:19

Mars, is Mars real? Or is Mars

30:22

something that we agree is real? We

30:24

agree it's in a certain space and

30:26

it'll only be there when we get

30:28

there? Like if the universe is a

30:31

true simulation, imagine what a mind fuck

30:33

you have a simulation where It's perfect

30:35

in that it has all of these

30:38

galaxies and supernovas. The moon aligns perfectly

30:40

with the Earth to cause eclipses. And

30:42

without the moon being there, our entire

30:45

atmosphere would fall apart. We would never

30:47

be able to survive. So it's like

30:49

this perfect little thing that's set right

30:52

there. And we spin around and worry

30:54

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31:26

just a show that's being put on

31:29

for our consciousness. Okay, so it's a

31:31

show being put on for our consciousness,

31:33

right? And then somebody's put on the

31:36

show. And then we get the ability

31:38

to go to the moon and then

31:40

they got a scramble and make a

31:43

scramble and make a moon. No, there's

31:45

a moon. I mean, it doesn't matter

31:47

wherever you wherever you go there is

31:50

a place If like our technology gets

31:52

so good and they're just going fuck.

31:54

We got to make this thing real.

31:57

This is on the way. I'm well

31:59

where if you're like criticize me this

32:01

is a dopey way to describe it

32:03

but I you know if the tree falls

32:05

in the forest and there's no

32:08

one there yeah does it make a

32:10

sound yes I don't even know if the

32:12

tree falls if there's no one

32:14

there I'm not convinced I'm not

32:16

convinced I'm not convinced so the

32:18

tree okay okay so if you

32:20

take a trip to the Pacific

32:22

Northwest you will find trees yes

32:25

yes I don't know if they're

32:27

there all the time So they're

32:29

only there in reference to us

32:31

looking at them. Oh, I get

32:33

what you're saying I think wait

32:35

wait wait You're playing a video

32:37

game. Uh-huh and as you move

32:39

throughout the map of the video

32:41

game It has to present itself.

32:43

Yeah, but you're saying without us

32:45

accessing it. It isn't presenting itself.

32:47

It might be the whole they're

32:49

saving on data that might be the

32:51

whole universe might be us interacting

32:54

with something but they exist without

32:56

us Yeah, and this

32:58

is one of those things, like, what

33:01

does it matter either way? But exists

33:03

with us in this moment, like if

33:05

you jump off a cliff, you will

33:07

die. Like, gravity's real, you'll

33:10

get pulverized. Yeah. No doubt.

33:12

But... It's because you jumped. It's

33:14

also, like, your consciousness. is

33:16

the reason why all this is

33:19

here. Yeah, that's you're interacting

33:21

with it. That's the manifestation

33:23

of everything though. So I

33:25

get what you're saying, like,

33:27

the structure, existentiality does it

33:29

exist if we're not touching

33:31

it, feeling it. It's, it's,

33:33

what they say about like

33:35

the Native Americans when they

33:38

first saw the ships, they didn't

33:40

know what they were. Yeah, that's bullshit, that's not

33:42

real. in the distance they think they were like

33:44

mountains moving closer they probably just saw these giant

33:46

pieces of wood and was trying to figure out

33:48

they had they might not know it's wood but

33:50

didn't they have structures I don't know if they're

33:52

fishing at that time I'm not sure but if

33:54

you see them in the distance you see them

33:56

moving forward right I get the idea like your

33:58

brain can't map what that is Right, you'd be

34:00

freaked out. So it's mapping to whatever

34:02

you know. So it's like, oh shit,

34:04

is it low tide? And there's some

34:07

like sandbars out there that are slowly

34:09

approaching. What the fuck is that? That's

34:11

kind of what you're saying. We can't

34:13

under like, I can't understand like what

34:15

a glacier is without knowing what it

34:17

is. When I see a glacier for

34:19

the first time, I can recognize glaciers

34:21

everywhere. But if someone is there at

34:23

every point in time. throughout the world,

34:25

then everything is. Yes. And we have

34:27

enough people where there's some people in

34:29

Antarctica. All right, so Antarctica is always

34:31

there. There's some people in Alaska. Okay,

34:33

so that's always there. If we have

34:35

enough people throughout the world, the world

34:37

is this congealed substance that we can

34:39

look at, feel, touch, and experience. Yeah.

34:41

And it might be like the map

34:43

of the game is like those NASA

34:45

satellite photos of Earth. That's the map

34:48

of the game. Like if you wanted

34:50

to like go through a game, a

34:52

video game, and before you go through

34:54

the game, it shows you, like these

34:56

are the arenas in which you're playing.

34:58

And you can choose one of them?

35:00

Yeah, yeah, you can choose one or

35:02

you know which level you're going to.

35:04

Like that's those NASA 3D photos of

35:06

the Earth, that's what Earth is. Earth

35:08

is like the place where we play

35:10

this consciousness game. When you're sitting at

35:12

home and you're like... Thinking about these

35:14

things. Yeah. Do you like talk to

35:16

your kids about it? No, that's too

35:18

weird to talk to kids about what

35:20

about your wife? Are you like just

35:22

going hey? She would go what? Yeah

35:26

You know my wife? She'd be like,

35:29

what the fuck are you talking about?

35:31

Okay, so you're walking. So you get

35:33

out of the sauna, you have a

35:35

nice sweat, you're walking around your house,

35:37

you're looking at the stars, you see

35:39

fucking Saturn or whatever. Look if she

35:41

wants to talk about something like that.

35:43

She'll bring it up. Like if she

35:45

wants to talk about something heavy, it's

35:47

not like I wouldn't talk about something

35:50

heavy with her. But generally, like, I

35:52

come home from work, she's been with

35:54

the kids, she's doing this and that,

35:56

we eat dinner, we have fun, how

35:58

was school, have a good time, maybe

36:00

watch a little severance together. But if

36:02

she's like, did you ever think that

36:04

maybe this is all, is it real?

36:06

I'd be like, I'm so glad you

36:08

brought this up. Okay, so do you

36:11

do you struggle battling with the because

36:13

some people when they think about this

36:15

stuff, they feel their own insignificance and

36:17

it's very depressing for them. Oh, it

36:19

doesn't matter. Like this so you're unaffected

36:21

entirely that like your existence in this

36:23

lifetime. over the grand scheme of things

36:25

could not be important. It can't be

36:27

important, but it is. But it is

36:29

to you and it is to the

36:32

people around you. So if that makes

36:34

up our reality, then it's important. Sure,

36:36

but why think about that? Why think

36:38

about whether or not you're important? I

36:40

just don't waste any time thinking about

36:42

whether or not I'm important. Maybe important

36:44

is, maybe important is like a, protect

36:46

this word. Not, I'm not important. I

36:48

mean like, uh... Don't think about the

36:50

end of the game, play the game.

36:53

Don't go, oh my God, it's gonna

36:55

end. Yes. My quarter's gonna run out,

36:57

just play the game. But some people

36:59

won't play the game. But some people

37:01

won't play the game, if they know

37:03

it is completely a game. I think

37:05

that there's like urgency that is like

37:07

urgency that is applied. Like, like urgency

37:09

that is applied. Like, like, like, like,

37:11

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

37:14

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

37:16

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

37:18

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

37:20

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

37:22

like, create the art that I want

37:24

to create in this time of my

37:26

life. Like time is something I've been

37:28

thinking about like nonstop since I had

37:30

a kid. It's like time. How do

37:32

I spend time? It maybe is a

37:35

cliche, but it is the thing that

37:37

I like value the most and everything

37:39

gets broken up into these little quadrants

37:41

of time. Okay, I'm out here, I'm

37:43

doing some pods, okay, I'm away from

37:45

my daughter, away from my wife. How

37:47

do I get back that time? How

37:49

can I like create these events? Like

37:51

I don't even buy expensive shit. I'd

37:53

like to take a vacation with my

37:56

friends. I want us all to stay

37:58

in the villa together. Because when we're

38:00

in different hotel rooms, we miss out

38:02

on those little moments in between. Right.

38:04

Time, time, time. And to me, it's

38:06

like I'm putting an importance on this,

38:08

I guess, the game you say you're

38:10

playing. I want to experience the most

38:12

of this game as I possibly can

38:14

while I possibly can while I possibly

38:17

can while I possibly can while I'm

38:19

here. And while I'm here. And I

38:21

possibly can while I'm here. you know,

38:23

he's got to mention all these stuff.

38:25

It's like you're seeing your ability to,

38:27

I guess, manifest that reality. You're at

38:29

the kind of end of your game,

38:31

you know, not going away. But like,

38:33

yeah, the idea of like me being

38:35

important, I don't care about like that

38:38

in terms of how people see it.

38:40

But in this time I have here,

38:42

I want to believe it's really important

38:44

and I want to soak as much

38:46

of it up as I can. And

38:48

I think sometimes when you're like, oh,

38:50

it's pointless. And I think sometimes when

38:52

you're like, oh, it's pointless. Like, there

38:54

are these times where I see Jim

38:56

talking about like the insignificance of the

38:59

insignificance of the world. of importance. Not

39:01

you being important to other people, but

39:03

the time you spend here being valuable.

39:05

Yeah. Well, that's part of gratitude too,

39:07

that's one of your best traits. And

39:09

having gratitude is, you would recognize that

39:11

you, this time is precious, you know,

39:13

use it to the best of your

39:15

ability. And really like, you enjoy it,

39:17

like soak it up. Did you see

39:20

everything everywhere all at once? Yeah, I

39:22

did. I thought that was a beautiful

39:24

way of showcasing how people look at

39:26

like the nothingness of life. This girl

39:28

sees it as potentially nothing and falls

39:30

into her own kind of, I guess

39:32

you call it to this depression, why

39:34

is it worth it, what the fuck

39:36

is going on? Right. And she kind

39:38

of sees her father is this like

39:41

weak guy that's getting like walked over.

39:43

And then... comes to realize that like

39:45

he chooses to deal with the nothingness

39:47

with kindness and love with everybody. And

39:49

in reality, he's like a hero. Like

39:51

his perspective on the world is the

39:53

best. When confronted with the nothingness of

39:55

life, he chooses to like be compassionate

39:57

and loving. And it's actually like the

39:59

most heroic stand you can take. I

40:02

think it's very easy to just submit

40:04

to nothingness. You're determined is maybe the

40:06

wrong word, but like you like hard

40:08

shit. The day... The day you're no

40:10

longer here is when you can no

40:12

longer do hardship. I feel like your

40:14

day is full of it. just because

40:16

it's a difficult thing to do. And

40:18

I don't know, maybe that's how you

40:20

process the. process existence. Well,

40:23

I think if you are a person

40:25

who enjoys challenges and finds a reward

40:27

in like working hard and overcoming that

40:30

resistance inside of you as a... press

40:32

field talks about that thing that wants

40:34

you to be lazy. If you have

40:36

value in that, you find value in

40:39

that and it helps you live like

40:41

a more enriched, more fulfilling life, you

40:43

tend to just keep doing that. Because

40:46

this is like, if I know for

40:48

a fact, me as much as I

40:50

work out and take care of myself,

40:52

if I take like three days off,

40:55

you'll start to get used to it.

40:57

I start getting depressed. I start getting

40:59

anxious. I start feeling weird. Like I

41:01

don't feel level. Like a couple of

41:04

days off, you're just like, ugh, I

41:06

just feel gross. I was just like,

41:08

why is the world so weird? And

41:11

then I'll have one good hard workout,

41:13

and then I'm like, oh, everything's fine.

41:15

And I'm like, how many people need

41:17

that and don't get it? So what

41:20

is that? It's just a human body

41:22

has certain requirements because it's designed to

41:24

run from tigers. Okay? The human body

41:27

is designed to constantly be... So you

41:29

have to feed it. Yeah, you have

41:31

to feed it. You have to deal

41:33

with these difficult things because for millions

41:36

of years that's how our brains and

41:38

bodies have been processed to work efficiently.

41:40

And if you don't put in those

41:43

situations, is the messaging like... You're wasting

41:45

this time here? What is that internal

41:47

messaging? You can have both, right? You

41:49

can have people that have brilliant minds

41:52

and shit bodies. They exist. There's people

41:54

that don't take care of their body

41:56

at all. And they're, yeah, Stephen Hawking.

41:58

But he had a disease. But it

42:01

wasn't like a... an autonomous before. Right,

42:03

that's true too. Yeah, right. People act

42:05

like it's a big difference. Yeah, but

42:08

the best way for your brain to

42:10

work well is if your body is

42:12

healthy and has energy. It doesn't mean

42:14

you have to be a weightlifter, it

42:17

doesn't mean you have to be, you

42:19

have to do any specific thing. If

42:21

you like running, run, if you like

42:24

tennis, play tennis. If you like yoga,

42:26

do yoga. But you should 100% do

42:28

something. Find a thing you enjoy doing.

42:30

That's why golf or rather tennis is

42:33

such a great thing because it's cardio

42:35

and it's fun. You're playing with your

42:37

friends, you're talking shit. Yeah, community. Huge.

42:39

you're active. If you don't do that,

42:42

I don't think your body is in

42:44

sync. And I think there's a whole

42:46

lot of people running out there taking

42:49

care of things with pills that you

42:51

could fix way better and feel and

42:53

look better, more importantly. It would help

42:55

in every aspect of your life. It

42:58

would help you think clear, you'd have

43:00

less stress, you'd be more reasonable. Like,

43:02

go fucking do something with your god

43:05

damn body. And if you don't do

43:07

that, I really believe you don't do

43:09

that, you have less potential. You can

43:11

have a genius mind that allows you

43:14

to overcome that potential, which is... just

43:16

pure intelligence just a pure inside on

43:18

the world that's extraordinary you could overcome

43:20

bullshit hormone levels and bullshit you know

43:23

body fat levels you could but you

43:25

shouldn't yeah you're so fucking smart you

43:27

got a terrible body yeah what's wrong

43:30

with you yeah if one of these

43:32

god damn things yeah you can make

43:34

that thing awesome yeah you don't even

43:36

do anything yeah you have one of

43:39

these you get one fucking body and

43:41

yours is a Dumpster yeah, yours is

43:43

a dumpster for potato chips. That's crazy

43:46

What do you like? When you're talking

43:48

of these high-functioning dudes, you're talking to

43:50

like an Elon is there? Did they

43:52

value exercise and stuff like that at

43:55

all? Like can he even put that

43:57

in his day? Like Elon's a different

43:59

animal There's no other human I've

44:01

ever met like him. No, I don't think

44:04

he exercises much. I think maybe

44:06

a little bit. I know he was

44:08

thinking about fighting Zuckerberg, so he did

44:10

some training. Who did he train with

44:12

Lex and who else? Was it? Georgie

44:14

Pierre? They put up a photo of it.

44:16

Was George, right? So he trains is one

44:18

of the greatest... UFC fighters of all

44:20

time. Lex Friedman, our boy who is

44:22

also a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt. And

44:24

I think he just did a little

44:27

bit of that. It was like, fuck

44:29

this. Shout out Lex, man. There it

44:31

is. And John Donner, the great John

44:33

Donner, the greatest Jiu-jitsu coach of all

44:35

time. So he was like learning some

44:37

stuff. I'll never forget Lex coming to

44:39

my wedding, uninvited and blacking out. I'll

44:41

never forget that. I'll never forget that.

44:43

Thank you Lex. We really appreciate that.

44:45

In all fairness, it was my fault

44:47

that he blacked out. You forced him

44:50

to drink. I kind of got

44:52

him a drink and didn't realize

44:54

the Russian in him had a might

44:56

of tone. That Russian mix with

44:58

that fucking American bourbon Yeah,

45:01

the other fucker was off

45:03

to the race so funny

45:06

with you was like yeah

45:08

I'm gonna take like so

45:10

I was like oh, okay

45:13

cool. Yeah, I like that

45:15

guy and then I remember

45:18

seeing him on like a

45:20

beach chair just passed the

45:23

fuck out Oh, we had

45:25

an must have been a

45:27

birthday. So we fly from your wedding.

45:29

Yeah. Congratulations. You hang out and then

45:32

hop on a jet. You know, it's

45:34

only 30 minutes to Vegas. We get

45:36

to Vegas. By the time we land,

45:38

Lex is lit. Yeah. I mean, Lex

45:40

is lit. Who's lit at the party?

45:42

Lit. Lit. Lit. Lit. Yeah. So Whitney.

45:44

performs at this lady's house. Didn't you

45:47

go on? I introduced her. Oh, I

45:49

thought you did like five minutes. I

45:51

was drunk too. I went up and

45:53

said happy birthday, whatever to the lady.

45:55

I forget what it was. I'm pretty

45:57

sure it's birthday. And then I bring up.

45:59

My good friend, one of

46:02

the most hilarious comics in

46:04

the world, wouldn't he come? And

46:06

then, we get on the plane, or

46:08

we get in the car to go

46:10

to the plane, to head back, and

46:12

there's no plane. They never booked a

46:14

return flight. So we try. So

46:17

we try to get a return flight

46:19

because they had her got her a

46:21

little shitty private jet to get there

46:23

Yeah, so then we try to get

46:26

a return flight We cannot I call

46:28

my service. They can't the quickest they

46:30

can do is in the morning. Yeah,

46:32

like what do you guys want to

46:34

do? So we decide that we're gonna

46:36

get a limo and so have a

46:39

car service drive us back to LA.

46:41

Love it. So it's four hour drive

46:43

or whatever the fuck it is me

46:45

my wife Whitney and Lex That's at

46:47

the airport. That's at the airport.

46:49

But he's like that for the

46:51

last 12 hours. He was like

46:53

that at the wedding. He was

46:55

obliterated. I mean, he went hard.

46:57

That boy goes hard. He goes

46:59

hard. He goes hard. He goes

47:01

hard. It makes you want to

47:03

not drink. There's certain people around.

47:05

I'm like, I think I'm done.

47:07

I think less people are drinking.

47:09

Well, it's really a good idea.

47:11

It might be your influence. It's

47:13

a good idea to not drink

47:15

so much. There's always gonna be

47:18

drunks. I see it, I see it,

47:20

like beard consumption weighed down. The problem

47:22

is it's poison. Yeah. But everything's poison.

47:24

Wonderful, lovely poison. Yeah. My favorite poison

47:27

is wine. I love a great poison.

47:29

Great glass of wine. Do we have

47:31

a little, like, nice little red going

47:34

on here? Do we have any red

47:36

wine here? I wanna know what you're drinking.

47:38

Yeah, there's at least some

47:40

out there for sure. Okay. Do you want some?

47:42

I mean if you're gonna have a glass, I'll have

47:44

a glass. I'll sip with it. I've got to cut

47:47

way back on my alcohol consumption. Oh really? Yeah, way,

47:49

way back. I would go, every time I would go

47:51

out to dinner, I'd have a drink or two, every

47:53

time I'd go to the club, I'd have a drink

47:55

or two, and then one day I sat down, I

47:58

was like, that's like four days a week, five. days

48:00

a week. That's like a drink or

48:02

two five days a week. Like how

48:04

would you feel if you didn't have

48:06

a drink or two five days a

48:09

week? So I didn't have any drinks

48:11

for like two weeks and I feel

48:13

a lot better. Really? So am I

48:15

breaking your like streak right now? Yeah

48:17

you would be breaking my streak. I

48:20

don't want to fuck a streak up.

48:22

Well we don't have to drink it

48:24

then. Actually let's breaking. Social utility. I

48:26

feel like people undermine the value of

48:28

alcohol and how... It ain't around for

48:30

all these years because it sucks. And

48:33

like if you travel, you don't get

48:35

to experience certain cultures in their truest

48:37

form without them consuming alcohol. Right. Like

48:39

if you've gone to like Ireland, you

48:41

go to Dublin, like during the day

48:44

there are very different people and they

48:46

seem kind of like tight and dower

48:48

and then at night at the pub

48:50

after like a few Guinness, it seems

48:52

almost cliche. but everybody's singing and dancing

48:55

and there's so much like love and

48:57

connectivity and you see why all this

48:59

great like literature music and poetry just

49:01

comes from this tiny little island and

49:03

you're like oh wow you really need

49:05

that like it is a tough place

49:08

to live and you gotta stuff everything

49:10

down yeah you need a release of

49:12

alve same thing with Russia like when

49:14

I was in Russia seeing them on

49:16

the drink on the drink they're warmer

49:19

There's warmth in the culture. It's explained

49:21

on the drink. For really, we have

49:23

fancy glasses. Okay. What are you thinking,

49:25

Joe? 97 or 22. Which one was

49:27

the one that you just touched? Grab

49:30

that one, where your hand is? Yeah.

49:32

That's what we're gonna decide. 97 is

49:34

a long time ago. How do you,

49:36

how do you, like, how do you

49:38

find that balance where like, you kind

49:41

of need it? Old ass wine, huh?

49:43

It allows people to access this part

49:45

of themselves that they might feel is

49:47

like a push down or... So the

49:49

problem is if you use it too

49:51

much, right? And also the problem is

49:54

like I notice if I drink three

49:56

or four nights in a week, I

49:58

don't feel as good. And when I

50:00

don't drink at all for two weeks

50:02

and I feel like really good all

50:05

the time, like what am I drinking?

50:07

Why am I drinking? Why would I

50:09

drink? Like I don't need to drink

50:11

to have a good time. Yeah. But

50:13

you know, when you're at the bar

50:16

or at the club rather and everyone

50:18

being social and Tony's like, who wants

50:20

to drink, who wants to drink, anybody

50:22

want to drink, and I want to

50:24

drink, and I want to drink, and

50:26

they want to drink, and they want

50:29

to drink, and they want to drink,

50:31

and they want to drink, and they

50:33

want to drink, and they want to

50:35

drink, and they want to drink, and

50:37

they want to drink, and they want

50:40

to drink, and they want to drink,

50:42

and they want to drink, and they

50:44

want to drink, and they want to

50:46

drink, and they want to It's just

50:48

about, like, if you feel like you're

50:51

going off the rails, hit the brakes,

50:53

settle down, what are you doing? You

50:55

gotta, but a lot of folks don't

50:57

have any of that, unfortunately. And, you

50:59

know, they, they'll be sober for a

51:01

long time, and then one glass of

51:04

shardne later. They're doing cocaine and headed

51:06

to Vegas. It's not even the alcohol.

51:08

Who is less freedman? Who does go

51:10

and passes out? Pass out to the

51:12

camera. Oh, this time's so funny about

51:15

people passed out. It's the funniest shit

51:17

ever. They've become children. They're babies. They've

51:19

become children. They're babies. They're like infants.

51:21

They've become children. They're babies. You know,

51:23

there's just completely uncontrolled control of their

51:26

body. Yeah, you're not even there. Hello!

51:28

Look at you out cold! This is

51:30

a weird aspect to people that we

51:32

have to shut off. Yeah. That's so

51:34

weird. I was just watching this video

51:36

about this guy who he did a

51:39

radio broadcast at Times Square where he

51:41

stayed up for eight days. Okay. And

51:43

this guy started having crazy hallucinations. He

51:45

was having his REM sleep. His REM

51:47

cycles in his brain were going off

51:50

while he was awake. So he's living

51:52

inside nightmares. Yeah. I'll send it to

51:54

Jamie. It was crazy. I think Duncan

51:56

sent it to me. It's really wise.

51:58

They say that can induce insanity faster

52:01

than anything, right? Oh, for sure, dude.

52:03

I mean, that, that without... a doubt.

52:05

The sleep deprivation. Yeah, sleep deprivation is

52:07

really bad for you. How many hours

52:09

you get a night? I try to

52:12

get at least seven. Oh well. Um,

52:14

so you, if you, if you come

52:16

home late from the club, you're just,

52:18

you, when I do, if, uh, if

52:20

it's... School days especially I get up

52:22

in the morning for a dinner appointment.

52:25

I say goodbye and then I'll maybe

52:27

go back to sleep for an hour

52:29

So like I'll get up with them,

52:31

you know see them off and then

52:33

I'll go out sleep for like one

52:36

more hour. Yeah, because I can I

52:38

can sleep on the ground dude I

52:40

can go to sleep on rocks I

52:42

could I know how to pass out

52:44

so like I could go right back

52:47

to sleep and I'm good but I

52:49

like seven but I can function on

52:51

six I had six last night for

52:53

a dinner appointment But generally speaking, I'm

52:55

looking for eight. Yeah, I like eight.

52:57

Yeah, eight. Yeah, eight's where it's at.

53:00

I don't think I've had eight hours.

53:02

I don't think I've had eight hours

53:04

since I had a kid. Oh, yeah,

53:06

I didn't either for a while. Hmm.

53:08

It takes a long time. And it's

53:11

also like, uh, your day is way

53:13

more occupied. Oh, it's, it's a completely

53:15

different. Like, you really realize how much.

53:17

your actual time working on something is

53:19

precious when you have children because like

53:22

they just go to bed. You're like,

53:24

okay, I got an hour to get

53:26

some shit done. Yep. You know, you

53:28

got one hour, you don't have an

53:30

hour, you don't have an hour, you

53:32

don't have an hour, you don't have

53:35

an hour to flip through your phone,

53:37

check out, uh-uh, you got an hour

53:39

to flip through your phone, check out,

53:41

uh-uh, you got an hour to flip

53:43

through your phone, you, you know, You

53:46

gotta zoom over from here and go

53:48

to the, it's like, your day is

53:50

so occupied, but it makes you more

53:52

disciplined. It makes you more disciplined. And

53:54

it makes you feel more productive. Like,

53:57

it's weird, like even going out and

53:59

like, say, having some drinks or whatever,

54:01

waking up and feeling kind of shitty.

54:03

Mm-hmm. Without the kid, I kind of

54:05

feel guilty by halfway through the day.

54:07

I'm like, what was I doing? Why

54:10

don't I go out partying? But when

54:12

I'm like up at seven and I'm

54:14

fucking tired, I'm hung over. And I'm

54:16

with my wife taking care of the

54:18

baby. By 12, I'm like, I'm a

54:21

good fucking parent. I feel like this,

54:23

I feel like a positive sensation in

54:25

the place of this like. guilt-ridden one

54:27

that I would use to feel maybe

54:29

and I think it's that immediate productivity

54:32

that purpose there's this human being you

54:34

love more than anything that is like

54:36

deeply relying on you yeah and yeah

54:38

I feel I don't know it's also

54:40

the kind of love you have with

54:43

them is just indescribable how old were

54:45

you when you had your first 40

54:47

yes I'm fun 41 so I was

54:49

yeah it's the same thing it's it's

54:51

yeah it's every cliche it's every cliche

54:53

it's amazing you spend all this time

54:56

as a as a comedian, like thinking

54:58

of unique or different angles. And then

55:00

you're presented with your child and like

55:02

every feeling you have is the most

55:04

cliched feeling that everybody has ever described

55:07

in having a child. Yeah, and then

55:09

you don't mind when babies are crying

55:11

on airplanes anymore. It is adorable when

55:13

they're crying on the airplane. You want

55:15

to like, you almost want to like

55:18

help the mom. Isn't that crazy how

55:20

when you're a young man, you're like,

55:22

oh my god, a baby's crying. You

55:24

look for something to cover your ears

55:26

with? That's also a big city thing.

55:28

I feel like, I feel like places

55:31

that. Like country places where they're so

55:33

used to. Well, there's family dynamics and

55:35

like, that's rewarded. And I grew up

55:37

in the city where it just wasn't

55:39

that rewarded that rewarded. Right. you be

55:42

your kid in the city and then

55:44

you go from that to being a

55:46

stand-up comedian so you're a nighttime nightclub

55:48

guy like the whole baby crying like

55:50

oh Jesus yeah it's like whoa some

55:53

bad decision-making going on over there yeah

55:55

yeah but it is cool I wish

55:57

that it I would like us to

55:59

change that a bit I think that's

56:01

the thing that's kind of in like

56:03

this masculinity movement is fatherhood. I hear

56:06

a lot of guys talking about... Is

56:08

there a masculinity movement going on? Apparently

56:10

on these pods that we do. Is

56:12

that what it is? We're the Manosphere,

56:14

dude. This is where fucking men hang

56:17

out. I don't think they consider us

56:19

the Manosphere, honestly. I think the Manosphere

56:21

is like those pickup artists type dudes.

56:23

But that's the thing. None of those

56:25

guys have kids or they talk about

56:28

like what it is to be a

56:30

man and it's like... buddy like you're

56:32

missing out on the most important part

56:34

of the entire process yeah I want

56:36

to hear the guys who have a

56:38

bunch of kids telling me what it

56:41

is to be a man right like

56:43

to me that's way more valuable and

56:45

I feel like they're missing out on

56:47

like the defining moment in a man's

56:49

life even bitches have alpha bitches there's

56:52

like a leader of the bitches oh

56:54

that's fire Yeah, they're a leader of

56:56

a movement. But what kind of movement

56:58

you lead in, bro? Yeah. What kind

57:00

of movement you lead in? Yeah, it

57:03

is. Yeah. You go to an island

57:05

full of bitches and you can become

57:07

the king. There's gonna be somebody there.

57:09

Just find out who that head bitch

57:11

is. Yeah. Yeah. Time's up. Those bitches

57:14

are probably easier to lead. Oh yeah,

57:16

for sure. They've been, that bitch has

57:18

been leading them. Yeah. Yeah, just... It's

57:20

like, I saw one CNN after the

57:22

election, they were talking about us in

57:24

Pacific, and they were talking about how

57:27

there is this... network of podcasts that

57:29

are interconnected that has been financed like

57:31

this this huge corporate finance network of

57:33

black rifle coffee it's like it's actually

57:35

just a bunch of friends you fucking

57:38

idiots we just happen to do each

57:40

other's podcast but they're like trying to

57:42

sort it out right they support each

57:44

other they go on each other shows

57:46

and they're all in this together well

57:49

we need that on the left like

57:51

good luck yeah that's cancel each other

57:53

if your fucking Ukraine flag is too

57:55

small yeah six by six yeah you

57:57

fucking shit about each other for not

57:59

having trans kids. You guys are out

58:02

of your mind. You're not gonna you're

58:04

not gonna sink up together. You're in

58:06

a suicide cult. Yeah, I think that

58:08

was the results of the election. I

58:10

don't think that they would like to

58:12

believe this, but it was a rejection of

58:15

what was happening. I think the assumption is

58:17

everybody just loves Trump and he's just this

58:19

populist and every person that voted for him

58:21

is like, I just love everything about this

58:24

guy. But I actually think that a lot

58:26

of people. We're just like, I

58:28

don't like what's happening now. Right.

58:30

And this current administration is saying

58:33

that they don't want to change

58:35

much that's happening now. Right. So

58:37

I'm voting against that lack of

58:39

change. Right. And I think it's

58:42

important for them to realize

58:44

that. Like I talk about this

58:46

a lot, especially with Charlotte on

58:48

the pot, and it's just like, you

58:51

have to be reflective like what

58:53

the people are telling you. But you

58:55

gotta look at that, and you gotta

58:57

pay very close attention to what people

58:59

are feeling. Don't tell them what they

59:01

should feel, and you know better, and oh,

59:03

we have to lead them to the water,

59:05

because they're too stupid to know how to

59:08

find it. No, no, no. They are disillusioned

59:10

by the medical system. And if you

59:12

don't meet them there, you're never

59:14

gonna win. Ever. Yeah. And I feel

59:16

like that's, at least from talking to

59:18

Trump, that was something that I got from

59:20

him is like. It doesn't seem like it

59:22

when you see him on the news and

59:25

shit, but he's like an acute listener. Like

59:27

he listens to what people are saying. And

59:29

he listens more importantly what they're

59:31

feeling. And he can tap into those

59:33

feelings. And I think that's what people

59:35

who had a lot of success in

59:38

politics were able to do. Barack did

59:40

it, Bill Clinton did it, probably maybe the

59:42

best. Bill might have been the best. His

59:44

ability to communicate to communicate

59:46

to people, what they were feeling. I know you

59:48

feel pain. I do feel bad, Bill.

59:50

I'm here for you. You are?

59:53

I would love that. You know,

59:55

it was... I'm gonna be your

59:57

leader. Yeah, it was, uh... Yeah.

59:59

It's, um, you need to listen. Well,

1:00:02

I think what Trump's done that's really

1:00:04

brilliant is bringing people like Tulsi Gabbard,

1:00:06

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Cash-to-tel, like bringing

1:00:08

those people and like, you kind of

1:00:11

really do get a chance to change

1:00:13

things, like legitimately change things. But think

1:00:15

about that decision, right? It's like, those

1:00:17

people, all echoing sentiments that the majority

1:00:20

of Americans feel, they do not trust

1:00:22

the food. Here's the guy who says

1:00:24

the food is bad, right? Maybe we

1:00:26

should put him in control of the

1:00:29

food Kind of like a simple thing.

1:00:31

Yeah instead of going well this guy

1:00:33

is the food doctor And we're gonna

1:00:35

hire the food doctor because he knows

1:00:38

what food is good for you and

1:00:40

you guys should just shut up and

1:00:42

listen And I feel like there's a

1:00:44

lot of this like top down on

1:00:47

the left and I'm not trying to

1:00:49

just like bag on the left, I

1:00:51

don't care really about that, like, I

1:00:53

don't even care about the politics, I

1:00:55

care more about like where the cultural

1:00:58

equity is. It's like, you can't talk

1:01:00

down to people, there's this like Ivy

1:01:02

League pretentiousness in the Democratic Party, I

1:01:04

feel, where they're like, we know better

1:01:07

and just, you must be stupid if

1:01:09

you don't agree with us. And it's

1:01:11

like, all right, well, I'm stupid. I'm

1:01:13

dumb then. So why doesn't somebody meet

1:01:16

me where I'm stupid? for the way

1:01:18

that I, you know, for my, I

1:01:20

guess, you could say political leanings now.

1:01:22

Yeah, I feel like they need to

1:01:25

meet. And it's a very simple thing.

1:01:27

Make it a class issue and I

1:01:29

think they win. And say what you

1:01:31

want about America, but I think it's

1:01:34

better if we have two president or

1:01:36

two people running for president that we're

1:01:38

stoked about. And it's a really hard

1:01:40

decision. Oh, yeah. That would be what

1:01:43

we had. We had one group of

1:01:45

people that legitimately wanted to change things

1:01:47

and then we're going to see what

1:01:49

happens if they do. But you're seeing

1:01:51

weird stuff today that you never see

1:01:54

before, which is like a real adjustment

1:01:56

to the age of the internet. One

1:01:58

of the things you're seeing is, I

1:02:00

don't know if you saw the 22

1:02:03

different Congress people who were all saying

1:02:05

the exact... same line with the word

1:02:07

shit in it. What was the line?

1:02:09

So it's like it's this speech. They're

1:02:12

reading it verbatim. They're all reading it

1:02:14

and doing it to a microphone as

1:02:16

if it's a rant. But they're all

1:02:18

doing from the same script and the

1:02:21

shit ain't right. So the shit ain't

1:02:23

right. How much when in the history

1:02:25

of the United States? As a politician

1:02:27

said shit. Yeah. And not just one.

1:02:30

But 22 of them in tape record,

1:02:32

can you pull it up just we

1:02:34

can see it? Because it's so nuts.

1:02:36

This is think tank politics. When you

1:02:38

see them all together, it's just like

1:02:41

they have it on screens as tiles

1:02:43

and they're all saying the same words.

1:02:45

They all have their own little flare

1:02:47

they put on it. Yeah. Look at

1:02:50

this. Put your headphones on. This is

1:02:52

fucking bananas. It's okay. You won't be

1:02:54

able to, you can't really tell, it's

1:02:56

like a crowd. But when they had

1:02:59

three of them, when it was the

1:03:01

first three, it was like, it was

1:03:03

Chuck Schumer and someone else. Yeah. They're

1:03:06

saying the exact, oh Elizabeth Warren and

1:03:08

someone else. Yeah. They're saying the exact

1:03:11

same words. Yeah. The exact same subjects

1:03:13

in the exact same order. You guys

1:03:15

are all reading off a script and

1:03:17

you're trying by putting the word shit

1:03:20

in there to be authentic. Well, shit

1:03:22

ain't right. To be specifically authentic. They're

1:03:24

like, we need to speak to work

1:03:26

in class people to the kids. Yeah.

1:03:29

And it is kind of like bigoted

1:03:31

in a weird way. We're like. It

1:03:33

feels like they're almost in a think

1:03:36

tech like, hey listen, these poor dummies,

1:03:38

they like it when you curse. So

1:03:40

if you use a few curse words

1:03:42

in your speech, they're going to really

1:03:45

relate to you. And it's like, no,

1:03:47

no, no, we actually need somebody disruptive.

1:03:49

We need somebody on the left that

1:03:51

is, they might speak like that, but

1:03:54

authentically speaks like that, and is willing

1:03:56

to disrupt even what's happening in the

1:03:58

left. Because if you look at what

1:04:00

happened with the Trump and the movement,

1:04:03

like he disrupted the Trump and the

1:04:05

Trump and the movement, like he disrupted

1:04:07

the Trump and the movement, like, like

1:04:10

he disrupted the Trump. So I want

1:04:12

like a magga Democrat. Yeah like for

1:04:14

real like and what is that like

1:04:16

what do we at the at our

1:04:19

baseline want right we like abundance tell

1:04:21

me how great America is going to

1:04:23

be in your version of it you

1:04:25

want to Bill Clinton talk that shit

1:04:28

like come out talking shit Bernie was

1:04:30

talking shit and I want you to

1:04:32

come out and if Trump can say

1:04:34

we're gonna take Greenland there can be

1:04:37

some damn that goes one dollar eggs.

1:04:39

And straight up says, we're going to

1:04:41

subsidize it. How would you do that?

1:04:44

Subsidize it. Subsidize corn? You subsidize dairy?

1:04:46

You subsidize everything. Like, why can we

1:04:48

not subsidize it? But say something that's

1:04:50

actually going to impact people. Now, Trump's

1:04:53

not going to take Greenland. So maybe

1:04:55

you don't get the one dollar eggs.

1:04:57

But you get this messaging across that

1:04:59

you're actually trying to help people. And

1:05:02

you're going to have to deal with

1:05:04

those lobbies that are bankrolling you. If

1:05:06

we're spending, what is it, $350 billion

1:05:08

went to Ukraine, what was the number?

1:05:11

What are they saying it was? I

1:05:13

don't know what the number. Some insane,

1:05:15

let's say, just let's just be conservative,

1:05:18

say $200 billion. Imagine if we spent

1:05:20

$200 billion in the United States in

1:05:22

all of the crime-ridden cities of the

1:05:24

country, just completely overhauling them. All right.

1:05:27

So here's my concern about that. How

1:05:29

much did they spend in California on

1:05:31

homelessness? 24 billion and then like nothing

1:05:33

changed right? No they got worse. Oh

1:05:36

did a good job. Awesome. We could

1:05:38

spend 36 billion. You know like so

1:05:40

there's also this idea like the current

1:05:43

administration in these places even with an

1:05:45

abundance of money is not going to

1:05:47

make change. So you need somebody from

1:05:49

inside from the left to go hey

1:05:52

these people are corrupt. on my team,

1:05:54

we're gonna root out that corruption, but

1:05:56

we are gonna take care of homelessness,

1:05:58

we are gonna make eggs cheaper, we

1:06:01

are gonna build fucking 10,000 affordable housing

1:06:03

units so that the price of, you

1:06:05

know, your rent can go way down.

1:06:07

There has to be something disruptive instead

1:06:10

of, hey, let's just go back to

1:06:12

normal. It's not ruffle any feathers. I

1:06:14

see what you're saying. I reject the

1:06:17

idea, though, that progress can't be had

1:06:19

just because people have been corrupt and

1:06:21

they've abused money before. I feel like

1:06:23

you could farm it off to private

1:06:26

corporations the same way we did with

1:06:28

Halliburton during the Iraq war. What did

1:06:30

they do with Halliburton? He got no

1:06:32

bid contracts to rebuild Iraq. And they

1:06:35

did it. They actually. built all the

1:06:37

power plants that didn't need. There's like

1:06:39

a lot of waste and weird shit

1:06:41

that went on over there. Yeah. You

1:06:44

could do that with the inner cities.

1:06:46

But you could have contracts. You said

1:06:48

Congress did a good job? No. I'm

1:06:51

just saying, like, they actually did get

1:06:53

paid to rebuild cities so you can

1:06:55

get a private sector that would actually

1:06:57

make money. It would become an industry.

1:07:00

Instead of it being bureaucracy? So you

1:07:02

see what I'm saying? Like, instead of

1:07:04

it being something where it's like California,

1:07:06

they're taking the homelessness. When nothing gets

1:07:09

done, but money keeps pumping into it.

1:07:11

No, the only way you get paid

1:07:13

is based on results. So you have

1:07:15

to lower crime. You have to lower

1:07:18

crime, you have to lower juvenile detention

1:07:20

rates, you have to improve education scores,

1:07:22

you have to make food, healthy food,

1:07:25

far more accessible. It would be very

1:07:27

easy to open up enormous food pantries

1:07:29

in the inner city and finance it

1:07:31

in comparison to the amount of money

1:07:34

we spend on other countries doing transgender

1:07:36

monkey studies, you know, or whatever the

1:07:38

fuck we do. You know, the stuff

1:07:40

they do is nuts, like 20 million

1:07:43

dollars to Sesame Street. in Iraq, like

1:07:45

it's bananas. So just, if you've got

1:07:47

enough money for that, you've got enough

1:07:50

money to set up food banks in

1:07:52

every fucking city where poor people can

1:07:54

get nutritious food. Just sign on, have

1:07:56

a driver's license, whatever the fuck you

1:07:59

need to get your food. And what

1:08:01

are the downstream effects of that? Like,

1:08:03

you have way less health issues which

1:08:05

takes down the cost of health care.

1:08:08

Yeah, this is. Also, people aren't desperate

1:08:10

because you can actually always eat. They

1:08:12

went in and they got contracts to

1:08:14

do things. If you got contracts to

1:08:17

re-engineer... these communities slowly over time yeah

1:08:19

you'd have to do it where it

1:08:21

didn't shock the community but slowly over

1:08:24

time unfortunately you would have to ramp

1:08:26

up the law enforcement because there's going

1:08:28

to be resistance if you're gonna go

1:08:30

to the south side of Chicago and

1:08:33

try to clean it up you got

1:08:35

gangs in there shooting each other every

1:08:37

weekend you got real fucking problem have

1:08:39

you have you um but what's the

1:08:42

alternative let that keep going on forever

1:08:44

you can't so you have to rip

1:08:46

the band-aid off have you heard of

1:08:48

the guy he's the president I think

1:08:51

of El Salvador Oh, the guy who

1:08:53

made all those, the camps for those

1:08:55

people? Yeah, I'm sure there's tons of,

1:08:58

I'm sure there's tons of criticism, right?

1:09:00

100%. But I think El Salvador has

1:09:02

become like the safest country in Central

1:09:04

and South America. Yeah, there's no criminals.

1:09:07

They're all in jail. And I'm sure

1:09:09

it's some like, there's some like, there

1:09:11

might even be like a little North

1:09:13

Korea ship where it's like, yeah, you're

1:09:16

not gang affiliated at all. there's this

1:09:18

like undying support I think is like

1:09:20

a 91% support rating or whatever that

1:09:22

is and it's like these people feel

1:09:25

like they got their lives back now

1:09:27

I'm sure as I'm saying there's gonna

1:09:29

be people going like oh it's these

1:09:32

are civil rights violations yeah yeah you

1:09:34

know what else is also civil rights

1:09:36

violation when you're like city is completely

1:09:38

run by a gang and you're terrified

1:09:41

to let your kid leave the house

1:09:43

yeah so like there is a version

1:09:45

where having more punitive measures for people

1:09:47

that are breaking the law will increase

1:09:50

safety and the prosperity of the people

1:09:52

in that region. Like in order to

1:09:54

get investment into the South side of

1:09:57

Chicago, you need to make it safe

1:09:59

for Starbucks. if it's getting broken into

1:10:01

every fucking week. So yeah, it's, yeah,

1:10:03

I like that. I like that. I like.

1:10:05

One of the first things you would

1:10:07

finance is community centers. Finance like a

1:10:09

real great community rec center where kids,

1:10:11

if their mom's working, no one's there

1:10:14

to take care of them, they got

1:10:16

real good coaches there, they got people

1:10:18

that can set them up maybe for

1:10:20

potential athletic scholarships, they're talented, maybe you

1:10:22

have people that teach you how to

1:10:24

play music. That's where I went when

1:10:26

I was a kid. When I was

1:10:28

a kid. You know, I went to

1:10:30

the Carmel Street Recreation Center, that's where

1:10:32

I played basketball, and it was this beautiful

1:10:34

place, this amazing oasis, where like, not only

1:10:36

you getting to play friends, you know, meet

1:10:38

friends and stuff like that, but I'm getting

1:10:40

to compete, I'm getting to play against guys way

1:10:43

better than me. And there are these, I mean, even

1:10:45

as I say this right now, I'm like, I've got

1:10:47

to like, donate this place where there was a lot

1:10:49

of kids in those programs, that they might have ended

1:10:51

up doing some fucked up doing some fucked up doing

1:10:53

some fucked up doing some fucked up shit, man, man,

1:10:55

man, man, man, and they had a place, man, and they

1:10:57

had a place, Look at us talking like some

1:10:59

lives on this pot, man. Well, I think

1:11:02

we are liberal. Of course we are. That's

1:11:04

the biggest misconception of all of this is

1:11:06

that we don't want this place to be

1:11:08

better, but there have to be certain changes.

1:11:11

Dude, I'm socially about as liberal as it

1:11:13

gets. Yeah. And I'm a firm believer in

1:11:15

a social safety net, too. I'm a firm

1:11:17

believer in welfare and food stamps.

1:11:20

I just think there's a way to address the

1:11:22

root of the problem, which is people with no hope. And

1:11:24

you've got to, the way to do that is you've got

1:11:26

to give them hope. You have to make it safer for

1:11:28

them to live where they live. You have to make it

1:11:30

healthier for them to live where they live. And then, I

1:11:32

don't think it would cost that much to provide guidance for

1:11:34

a bunch of kids that want guidance. And if you have

1:11:36

good solid role models that know how to do that kind

1:11:38

of stuff, and they can all work together and build a

1:11:40

program, and then, what if those kids wind up being like

1:11:42

really talented musicians, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

1:11:44

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

1:11:46

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

1:11:48

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

1:11:50

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

1:11:52

like, like, like, like, Like, what's what's happening there?

1:11:54

Like I feel like you've created a environment where

1:11:57

it's like, these guys can make enough money to

1:11:59

survive, which is... a very hard thing to

1:12:01

do as a fledgling comedian, right? And

1:12:03

some of these guys who are door

1:12:05

guys, they're starting to get spots around,

1:12:07

even like some of my guys, you

1:12:09

know, like obviously Derek Poston, is like

1:12:11

making real money, right? And learning how

1:12:13

to flourish as a comedian instead of

1:12:15

working 60 hours at a job and

1:12:18

then doing comedy when he potentially can.

1:12:20

Right. You hopefully get to see this

1:12:22

artistry grow like I've watched Derek explode

1:12:24

as a fucking comedian like this guy's

1:12:26

so fucking funny He's he's so lovable.

1:12:28

He's got a he's got a don't

1:12:30

tell coming out April 16th Nice, and

1:12:32

I've watched it's fucking amazing so everybody

1:12:34

go check that out nice, but that's

1:12:36

the type of environment that I imagine

1:12:38

that you can curate now you're very

1:12:41

benevolent, right? but you would hope that

1:12:43

the government can create that same level

1:12:45

of benevolence without leaking too much money?

1:12:47

Yeah, it just, it has to be

1:12:49

done for the right reasons, the right

1:12:51

way with the right people. And that

1:12:53

was what we pulled off of the

1:12:55

mothership because I was able to get

1:12:57

everybody from California. But also I knew

1:12:59

that that was the formula, because it

1:13:02

was kind of like the heart and

1:13:04

soul of the store. It was like

1:13:06

the people that were the coolest people

1:13:08

that were running things over there, bring

1:13:10

things over there, bring them over here.

1:13:12

The whole thing was so nuts dude,

1:13:14

it was like the universe wanted it

1:13:16

to happen. Every light turned green right

1:13:18

when we got to it. Every light

1:13:20

turned, it just, none of it makes

1:13:22

sense on paper. If you thought about

1:13:25

like the idea behind dumping a ton

1:13:27

of money in a club and your

1:13:29

ultimate goal is to break even, like

1:13:31

who fucking does that? And then it

1:13:33

also, you have to... But that's government,

1:13:35

government shouldn't make money. Right. The ultimate

1:13:37

goal should be to break even. Well,

1:13:39

your ultimate goal should be everything is

1:13:41

a money venture. Right. So the club

1:13:43

is not a money venture. Right. The

1:13:46

club is an artistic, it's like a,

1:13:48

I want it to be like a

1:13:50

camp. Like camp for comics. Yeah. Like

1:13:52

you go there, you're all your buddies

1:13:54

are there. Everybody's having a good time.

1:13:56

We're all trade. We were all last

1:13:58

night. Me and Shane Gillis did bottom

1:14:00

of the barrel last night for an

1:14:02

hour. Oh. It was the most fun

1:14:04

I've ever had doing it. We were

1:14:06

crying. Like tears rolling down my face,

1:14:09

crying laughing. And then we're hanging out

1:14:11

in the green when we're breaking down

1:14:13

this bit. And we're calling up with

1:14:15

new lines. It's like a laboratory. It's

1:14:17

a hangout. We've got, you know, fucking

1:14:19

Gary Clark Jr's playing on the stereo.

1:14:21

Everybody's vibrant. We're all laughing. Woody Harrelson's

1:14:23

hanging out with us. We're all having

1:14:25

such a good, fucking time, man. It's

1:14:27

like that's what I wanted to build.

1:14:30

I didn't want to build a business.

1:14:32

It wasn't like, whoa, if I sell

1:14:34

drinks for an X amount of money,

1:14:36

and then I charge this amount for

1:14:38

a ticket, and fuck the comedians over.

1:14:40

I do the opposite. I pay the

1:14:42

comedians way more than everybody else pays.

1:14:44

And look what happens. But that's just

1:14:46

to try to facilitate this artist colony.

1:14:48

I just wanted to be a place

1:14:50

where this is like, the mothership. God

1:14:53

bless her. She always used to saying,

1:14:55

oh, the inmates are running the asylum.

1:14:57

That was her thing. Whenever she would

1:14:59

come to the store, she loved it

1:15:01

that we were crazy. She loved like,

1:15:03

you know, you know, Don Barris, like

1:15:05

jumping around backstage and everybody's laughing and

1:15:07

Joey Diaz telling some crazy story and

1:15:09

then Mitzi would pull up. She'd get

1:15:11

out of her car. Oh, the inmates

1:15:13

are running the asylum. And I was

1:15:16

like, if we're gonna branch out, we

1:15:18

should just call it the asylum. You

1:15:20

know, I like mothership. The mothership was

1:15:22

better because these first of all, asylum

1:15:24

was already taken. There's like a couple

1:15:26

of different asylum. So we couldn't have

1:15:28

asylum. And then it was like, I'm

1:15:30

so fascinated with UFOs. I'm so obsessed

1:15:32

with that shit anyway. Mothership is like

1:15:34

the place where we all launch from.

1:15:37

So when we go all throughout the

1:15:39

rest of the country, you always come

1:15:41

back to the mothership. Yeah, there's a

1:15:43

like creating environments where art flourishes is

1:15:45

a, so I did kill Tony the

1:15:47

other day. And it's been a while

1:15:49

since I've done like the whole show.

1:15:51

I came out for MSG. That was

1:15:53

fine. We had such a good time.

1:15:55

Oh, dude, it was great. Oh, it's

1:15:57

a good time. Your stupid jacket. Oh

1:16:00

my God. That jacket. I had to

1:16:02

have it. I knew I wanted to

1:16:04

wear a fur jacket. Yeah. I was

1:16:06

like, I told Tony. I'm like, I'm

1:16:08

getting a fur coat. I have to

1:16:10

get a fur coat. I think I

1:16:12

talked to you the day before. You're

1:16:14

like, you're getting a fur coat. I

1:16:17

got a day of the show. You

1:16:19

texted me something, you're like, yeah, they're

1:16:21

going to wear this. Yeah, my boy

1:16:24

Phil found this dude who's a private

1:16:26

shopper, and he found the spot to

1:16:28

go. He's like one of them celebrity

1:16:30

shopper dudes, and he found me the

1:16:32

spot. So, and I was on it

1:16:34

in a, so, and I'm watching the,

1:16:36

like, in the interviews, like, in the

1:16:39

interviews portion. And I'm probably saying something

1:16:41

that everybody already knows, but when I

1:16:43

watch Killton, I'm watching it in clip

1:16:45

form, right? So I'm seeing like these

1:16:47

like 60 second versions. Right. But what

1:16:49

I thought was really interesting about the

1:16:51

interviews is that there's a real generosity

1:16:53

with Tony, right? He's, I don't know

1:16:56

if even the comics realize this, like

1:16:58

he's trying to get you to write

1:17:00

your first good joke. He's asking you

1:17:02

questions where you don't have to be

1:17:04

funny, but they are funny because you're

1:17:06

just speaking truthfully. Right. And it is

1:17:08

generous. It's easy to just, like, you

1:17:11

could bang on every single one of

1:17:13

the people that go up there. Right.

1:17:15

But that's not exactly what's happening. Sometimes,

1:17:17

of course, people are going to get

1:17:19

jokes. But there's this moment where, like,

1:17:21

you get to watch some of these

1:17:23

guys. Like, hopefully, they're realizing, they're like,

1:17:25

oh, I am. Oh, that is a

1:17:28

kind of funny thing about me. And

1:17:30

that's like the first kernel. And yeah,

1:17:32

there's a couple guys that went up

1:17:34

and like there's one guy like his

1:17:36

joke sucked But he had something like

1:17:38

I just kept watching him Yeah, and

1:17:40

I was like you're gonna be good

1:17:43

like I hope you keep doing this

1:17:45

because you're gonna be good and you're

1:17:47

gonna be good because you're gonna be

1:17:49

good and you're gonna be good and

1:17:51

you're gonna be good And like I

1:17:53

hope you keep doing this because you're

1:17:55

gonna be good and like we started

1:17:57

something about like you know, he's selling

1:18:00

like you like you like Like it

1:18:02

seems like a setup. But it was

1:18:04

just really cool to see it happen

1:18:06

and like it reminded me these early

1:18:08

stages of comedy where you're putting together

1:18:10

these things that you think are funny

1:18:12

and funny is kind of already existing

1:18:15

in you you know and yeah it

1:18:17

was just like it was a cool

1:18:19

aspect of the show that I'm sure

1:18:21

the people that watch it and it's

1:18:23

just massively successful show so they're familiar

1:18:25

but maybe the people that don't watch

1:18:27

it. Don't know about the show. They

1:18:30

just think Tony's just roasting people and

1:18:32

it's he's he's not it's a very

1:18:34

generous thing to do Yeah, it is

1:18:36

well Tony loves comedy and loves comedy

1:18:38

to the point where he's always writing

1:18:40

lines for people backstage he's always like

1:18:42

giving people tax and he's always talking

1:18:44

about did you do that bit like

1:18:47

yeah like he's a super supportive yeah

1:18:49

with comedy and he loves when the

1:18:51

guys when the guys who do his

1:18:53

show like William Montgomery when they start

1:18:55

to flourish they start killing it on

1:18:57

the road he loves that he fucking

1:18:59

he's actually put together a tour now

1:19:02

the killers of kill toni and they're

1:19:04

doing are good man Ari Maddie is

1:19:06

fucking I was talking to him yesterday

1:19:08

man he's fucking smart he's funny he's

1:19:10

super ambitious he writes he wants to

1:19:12

be an American so bad he's a

1:19:14

fun hang he's got great perspective on

1:19:16

stuff also like yeah he's always an

1:19:19

MMA fighter I remember seeing like three

1:19:21

times wow wow wow yeah he's a

1:19:23

big guy too yeah yeah but like

1:19:25

yeah I remember like he even had

1:19:27

a joke yesterday I mean whatever it

1:19:29

will come out but like it was

1:19:31

funny like he tapped into something at

1:19:34

the end of the bit that he

1:19:36

did when he does the minute and

1:19:38

then in the interview it

1:19:40

really became the thing. Because what you

1:19:42

get to watch is like he's like

1:19:44

he's like he's a veteran comic like

1:19:46

he's probably been doing it 10 or

1:19:48

12 years right so like you get

1:19:51

into real comedian mode around 10 right

1:19:53

yeah and you got to witness live

1:19:55

what we do backstage which is like

1:19:57

oh I like that idea Why did

1:19:59

you do this? And he set a

1:20:01

line at the end of when we're

1:20:03

just doing the interview that I think

1:20:05

is going to be what this joke

1:20:07

builds out into. I don't want to

1:20:09

give it away. Obviously, people will watch

1:20:11

it. But to me, that part of

1:20:13

the process is so fun. Oh, yeah.

1:20:15

And it is, I don't know if

1:20:17

people know this about it. It is

1:20:19

really fun to work on someone else's

1:20:21

bit. Like, there's almost like more freedom

1:20:23

because you're less attached to it. You

1:20:25

know, like if you have something and

1:20:27

you're like telling me the idea, like

1:20:29

I'm not, you're attached like a direction

1:20:31

for it and I'm just coming from

1:20:33

all these other places and what if

1:20:35

my tag bombs, it doesn't matter, you're

1:20:37

the one going to do it. But

1:20:39

it is this exciting thing when you

1:20:42

have a colonel and yeah, this moment

1:20:44

happened with it and you can even

1:20:46

see him go, oh shit, that's... Yeah,

1:20:48

that's the next level of it. Yeah.

1:20:50

Anyway, they emerge, right? Yeah. The new

1:20:52

chapters in your bits, new paragraphs, they

1:20:54

emerge. It's the best. And for me,

1:20:56

it's like, I need to talk to

1:20:58

get it out. I'm not like a

1:21:00

sit at home and like I write

1:21:02

the ideas. Like I need to, I

1:21:04

need to get this idea and what

1:21:06

do you think about this? And then

1:21:08

you have to like give me push

1:21:10

back on it. And then confronting that

1:21:12

pushback is like. Where the bit develops

1:21:14

for me right right right that's the

1:21:16

beauty of like the audience not laughing

1:21:18

Well, that's why you like New York

1:21:20

City when you look to Miami you

1:21:22

were like it's too nice It was

1:21:24

like life was beautiful everybody was caring

1:21:26

about family and everything and it was

1:21:28

just so comfortable And I didn't have

1:21:30

any like resistance. I need like I'm

1:21:33

used to that chaos. I need the

1:21:35

opposite What do you mean? Your whole

1:21:37

life is resistance? Yeah, but I don't

1:21:39

like with people with people I don't

1:21:41

want to deal with people's bullshit. I

1:21:43

got my own bullshit. That's my ice

1:21:45

bath. Yeah, there it is. You just

1:21:47

want to get out there and grind

1:21:49

it out. I do 30 minutes on

1:21:51

the sixth train. Right. Bro, we better

1:21:53

have a bulletproof vest. Yeah. Yeah, the,

1:21:55

uh... Anyway, so what you were saying

1:21:57

about like hope, it is interesting, and

1:21:59

I see like, I see that for

1:22:01

comics, especially here, there's this idea of

1:22:03

like getting on... the show and seeing

1:22:05

a pathway to success. It's a real

1:22:07

pathway. It's a real pathway to a

1:22:09

career and you've seen many many many

1:22:11

people go through it like Camp Patterson

1:22:13

yeah David Lucas these guys all have

1:22:15

careers now yeah he had a funny

1:22:17

bit too like Camp's funny yeah he's

1:22:19

funny yeah he's funny yeah he's funny

1:22:21

yeah he's funny I think there's a

1:22:24

little bit of a hindrance in that

1:22:26

one minute a week because it's like. What

1:22:28

you give this minute out and it goes

1:22:30

out to the whole comedy world Mm-hmm. And

1:22:32

I asked that so I was asking Ari I

1:22:34

was like can you still do those bits

1:22:36

like because some of these aren't finished They're

1:22:39

just the fucking beginning of it right right

1:22:41

don't let those go like right build on them

1:22:43

as long as you're building on them as long

1:22:45

as you got more to it and it's better

1:22:47

now. I think people want it I think it

1:22:50

also there's this understanding that those guys

1:22:52

are on the come up and yeah

1:22:54

they're putting it all together and I

1:22:56

think there's a certain amount of times

1:22:58

you do it where you got to

1:23:00

eventually leave I say that but then

1:23:02

there's William Montgomery who does it every

1:23:05

fucking week yeah Williams got this style

1:23:07

that even if his jokes suck it's

1:23:09

funny because it's even because he gets

1:23:11

angry yeah he gets angry at himself

1:23:13

he gets angry at the crowd and

1:23:16

then it gets funny bro have you

1:23:18

been seeing Brian Holzman lately no no

1:23:20

oh my god he's the sweetest guy

1:23:22

by the way he's the sweet a

1:23:24

name and a different thing. It's like

1:23:27

there's a different human that comes

1:23:29

out when he's on stage. You

1:23:31

wouldn't think that he's a complete

1:23:33

psychopath in real life. And he's

1:23:35

just the kind of sweetest guy.

1:23:37

He's wonderful. I love him to

1:23:39

death. He's all hugs and joy

1:23:41

and smiles and he's always helping

1:23:43

people into a detriment. Like one

1:23:46

of the things about his shows

1:23:48

we've had to like stop some

1:23:50

of the people that he allows

1:23:52

open for him. Oh. And they

1:23:54

eat Dick for 10 minutes and

1:23:56

the crowd gets tortured. So Adam had to

1:23:58

put the brakes on that. But he

1:24:00

himself is on fire. Yeah. On Shane

1:24:02

and I were crying laughing. Yeah. I

1:24:05

mean crying laughing. Shane's so funny. Yeah,

1:24:07

he had the ox cord last night

1:24:09

at Bitzy's. And like, I didn't know

1:24:12

who was putting on the music because

1:24:14

it was just this like random collection

1:24:16

of music. And then, uh, he, then

1:24:19

this Feddywop song comes on, right? and

1:24:21

that I want you to be mine

1:24:23

again, baby. And I look over at

1:24:25

the bar and I just see him

1:24:28

kind of mouth in it. I want

1:24:30

you. This mother fuck you got the

1:24:32

ox! Yeah, that's hilarious. He was locked

1:24:35

in. Yeah, we all have good Green

1:24:37

Room soundtracks. Oh yeah. Yeah, that's a

1:24:39

big thing. Yeah, I don't think anybody

1:24:42

would guess your Green Room music. Like

1:24:44

if they walked into your Green Room

1:24:46

and they heard the music playing, there's

1:24:49

nobody that would go, oh yeah, Joe

1:24:51

picked this song. Yeah, like KRS one

1:24:53

or something like, Koogee rap in the

1:24:55

brand new heavys. Yeah. Yeah. I remember

1:24:58

the first time I came down here

1:25:00

and it was like blasting and I

1:25:02

was like, yo, who the f- like

1:25:05

I'm looking around like nobody's old enough

1:25:07

to even know cool g-rap in this

1:25:09

in this green room and I just

1:25:12

see you like pop and get ready

1:25:14

to fucking go on to just this.

1:25:16

Yeah man, that threat with brand new

1:25:18

heavies is my favorite before I go

1:25:21

on stage song. That's interesting. I don't

1:25:23

know, I don't know. Oh man, you

1:25:25

don't know, you don't know that song?

1:25:28

No, I don't think so. Oh my

1:25:30

god. So the brand new heavies, and

1:25:32

I found out about this song, I

1:25:35

teared up when I was talking about

1:25:37

Mitzie earlier. Oh, wow. Well, what were

1:25:39

you thinking? Oh, just her. What was

1:25:41

it? Just her saying, you know, all

1:25:44

the inmates running the asylum. Like I

1:25:46

learned how to do it from her.

1:25:48

Yeah, like You learn how to like

1:25:51

facilitate comedy, like to help comedy grow.

1:25:53

I learned it all from her. Yeah.

1:25:55

All of it. It's kind of cool

1:25:58

how people exist through us. You know,

1:26:00

like, obviously she's passed, but... Well, that's

1:26:02

why the bar's name, Mitzie. Yeah, but

1:26:04

the effects live on. I wouldn't name

1:26:07

the whole club, Mitzie, if I didn't

1:26:09

want to get sued by the family.

1:26:11

They would? I don't think they would

1:26:14

have sued me, like. Well, I mean

1:26:16

she was still lucid when I met

1:26:18

her, you know, I met her in

1:26:21

94 and she was like super supportive

1:26:23

She just like you know She just

1:26:25

knew what to do man like she

1:26:27

knew how to set you up And

1:26:30

if she liked you she would put

1:26:32

you on after murderers. Yeah, I had

1:26:34

to follow Martin Lawrence in the main

1:26:37

room Like like fucking weeks and weeks

1:26:39

at a time if Martin Lawrence was

1:26:41

going to headline I was going to

1:26:44

go on after Mark Lawrence What is

1:26:46

the year? 94 95. Okay. So you

1:26:48

understand Martin Lawrence people forgot Martin Lawrence.

1:26:50

Let me tell you right now. Go

1:26:53

watch you so crazy timing, but his

1:26:55

performances when it's his hour, his timing,

1:26:57

his energy. Infectious. Oh, he was so

1:27:00

good. He was so good. And I

1:27:02

used to eat shit. going on after

1:27:04

him every night. And Mitzie, no matter

1:27:07

who was there, Dice Clay, Rogan, you're

1:27:09

on after Dice. It's like whoever the

1:27:11

fuck it is, I'm going on after

1:27:13

him. She just knew how to throw

1:27:16

you to the wolves, man. She knew

1:27:18

how to like show you that your

1:27:20

act is bullshit. There's a couple guys,

1:27:23

like, Atel did that for me in

1:27:25

New York. Like I would close the

1:27:27

late show at the cellar and Atel

1:27:30

will go up and then I would

1:27:32

go up after him. And like that

1:27:34

shit will turn you into a into

1:27:36

a man. Yeah, humble you. You just

1:27:39

realize when somebody's operating on like every

1:27:41

single cylinder firing and... You get up

1:27:43

after it and you're like, oh wow,

1:27:46

I'm missing something. He has something that

1:27:48

I don't have and I need to

1:27:50

find that shit. When you're going up

1:27:53

in like the cushy spot second or

1:27:55

third and you're killing you think you're

1:27:57

the funniest in the world. And then

1:27:59

when you follow something that like levels

1:28:02

the room and the whole room is

1:28:04

kind of unsure if he's just like

1:28:06

inventing these things in the moment, if

1:28:09

these are bits, like, they just get

1:28:11

caught up in this like tornado creativityivity.

1:28:13

And you gotta follow it in that

1:28:16

shit, following him, following Mike Britt, following

1:28:18

Greer, like following these guys that are

1:28:20

just like masters. Yeah, it just turns

1:28:22

you into a man. That's why I

1:28:25

started taking Joey on the road with

1:28:27

me, because I couldn't follow him. Really?

1:28:29

Yeah, you love hard shit. You fucking

1:28:32

love making your life difficult. It's not

1:28:34

even making your life difficult. It's realizing

1:28:36

like you're trying to get you're not

1:28:39

as good as you're ever going to

1:28:41

get at this. You have to get

1:28:43

better. How do you get better? You

1:28:45

have to be challenged. How to get

1:28:48

challenged. Know that you're going to follow

1:28:50

Joey Diaz every night, three nights in

1:28:52

a row, two shows on Friday, two

1:28:55

shows on Saturdays and Saturdays. This is

1:28:57

something that, uh... There's a

1:28:59

lot of importance to this. I don't

1:29:01

know if comedians are doing this all

1:29:03

the time, but like your openers that

1:29:06

you take on the road with you

1:29:08

like they should really be pressing you

1:29:10

They should set the tone of the

1:29:12

show and they're gonna set the expectation

1:29:14

of the show I think sometimes people

1:29:16

want to save the day That's weak.

1:29:19

That's that same bitch-ass feeling like I

1:29:21

hope the guy after me bombs. Yeah,

1:29:23

I want the audience to have a

1:29:25

great fucking time. Yeah. So I want

1:29:27

everybody to kill. I love when I

1:29:29

get the message like, or like tagged

1:29:32

on a post on Instagram. It was

1:29:34

like, all three of them were fucking

1:29:36

great. And it's like, and also like,

1:29:38

I understand what it means probably for

1:29:40

them because I've been in maybe that

1:29:42

situation. We're like, holy shit, like, yeah,

1:29:45

they're bringing me up with the show.

1:29:47

Right. And they're going up hosting people

1:29:49

are walking down in aisle. Mark's a

1:29:51

perfect guy for some fun. He's got

1:29:53

so much energy. And he's so good

1:29:55

at fucking around. And just so good

1:29:58

at creating an energy of fun. Yeah,

1:30:00

yeah, yeah. And Mark too. just fucking

1:30:02

like crushing and like seeing them go

1:30:04

up there and like really lay in.

1:30:06

Yeah. Like hearing it before I go

1:30:08

up. Yeah. Like that's a fun thing,

1:30:11

like I'll be locked in my room,

1:30:13

but then when I come out like

1:30:15

a few minutes before and just hearing

1:30:17

them light up? Yeah. Yeah. You gotta

1:30:19

take strong guys, man. Yeah, and the

1:30:21

people have the weird fear of being

1:30:24

eclipsed, that's the thing. The people have

1:30:26

the weird fear of being eclipsed, that's

1:30:28

the thing. It's fear being eclipsed, you're

1:30:30

opening up. Yeah, you're not working

1:30:32

as hard as you should be

1:30:34

working. Maybe you're not at your best

1:30:36

and nothing will make you work hard than

1:30:39

being embarrassed right also I don't know how

1:30:41

you operate but for me I'm funnier if

1:30:43

I'm having fun. So if I'm hanging out

1:30:45

with, you know, Ari and Duncan and Joey

1:30:48

and we're all doing a show together, we

1:30:50

are laughing our fucking ass off. And that

1:30:52

comes out on stage and you're loose and

1:30:54

ready to get goofy. And I'm laughing at

1:30:57

Joey before I even go on stage. Yeah.

1:30:59

Sitting there laughing at his act before I

1:31:01

get up there. I'm already in a great

1:31:04

fucking mood. Yeah. And the audience feels

1:31:06

like they didn't get robbed. You know,

1:31:08

you didn't like throw some scrub up

1:31:10

there for 20 minutes just to fill

1:31:12

time so you go look like a

1:31:14

superhero That's it. Yeah. It's like they're

1:31:17

paying money man. I keep thinking about

1:31:19

that like all these people that come

1:31:21

out to a show it's not just

1:31:23

a ticket price Right. It's the babysitter.

1:31:25

It's everything. It's the Uber. It's the

1:31:28

dinner. Like this is an expensive fucking

1:31:30

knife for them and they're looking for

1:31:32

you might only get one date night

1:31:34

a week Especially if in Washington.

1:31:36

It's not Tacoma, something more

1:31:39

inland. I forget there's a

1:31:41

comedy club out there. Spokane,

1:31:43

Spokane. This is years ago and I

1:31:45

did a show and like a couple

1:31:48

came up afterwards and they were like,

1:31:50

this is our first night out in

1:31:52

eight years. Whoa. And I think about

1:31:54

that every single time before I'm

1:31:56

on stage. That's a good thing

1:31:58

to think about. think about yeah

1:32:00

like those people that are like really

1:32:03

but you don't take things for granted

1:32:05

anyway you know some some people get

1:32:07

a little sloppy you get a little

1:32:09

loose and you take things for granted

1:32:11

I know man we're talking about that

1:32:13

on stage or in the green room

1:32:15

the other night Woody was backstage like

1:32:17

you guys get nervous I get nervous

1:32:19

I get nervous for every show if

1:32:21

I don't do as good I get

1:32:23

nervous I get nervous for everything important

1:32:26

Yeah, and every show is important. Yeah,

1:32:28

like it's not important like my life

1:32:30

depends on it But it's important like

1:32:32

it's important to me. Yeah, it's important

1:32:34

to the audience like I want to

1:32:36

do it right Yeah, so I want

1:32:38

to figure out what I'm working on

1:32:40

I want to sit I'm on like

1:32:42

I got to be loose with this

1:32:44