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this is Duchy? A little bit if

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them. Yeah, yeah, I do. They kind

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of, it's like having an Instagram filter

0:39

for the entire world. Right. So everything

0:41

feels. Just a little rosy. I had

0:43

a pair of rose-colored glasses before

0:45

and I got it. I was like, oh,

0:48

I get it. It is better this way.

0:50

It is nicer. Yeah, yeah, it's like

0:52

a full, dude, I need to show

0:54

you this. So, what is this? and

0:56

he flew a comedy mothership lighter out

0:58

to Antarctica. I've been reliably told

1:00

that that light was used to

1:03

smoke weed in Antarctica. Yeah, and

1:05

it's touched, it was dropped a

1:07

number of times, so it's touched

1:09

ancient permafrost. What kind of laws

1:11

do they have in Antarctica? I

1:13

don't know, apparently they're liberal. I

1:15

don't know, I don't know if

1:17

they're there, have they established laws?

1:19

There were 400 miles in. Whoa. So

1:22

this was part of the final

1:24

experiment. which was this attempt

1:26

to try and disprove flat

1:28

earth. Oh. He went as a part of that.

1:30

Did he bring flat earthers? Is

1:32

that the deal? So, four flat

1:34

earthers, four globe earthers, globe earthers,

1:37

get flown to Antarctica. It's $35,000

1:39

per person. Oh my God. This

1:41

guy called Will Duffy put the

1:43

project together, flew everybody down there.

1:45

Did he pay for each person?

1:47

Wow. Wow. I think maybe a

1:50

couple of people chose to go

1:52

self-funded. but they were trying to

1:54

get the open offer to all

1:56

of the biggest flat earth influences

1:59

common I don't know what

2:01

to call. How many went?

2:03

Four of each. Four roundies,

2:05

four flatties. Don't you want

2:07

to see their search histories?

2:09

Maybe the FBI do. I

2:11

don't know. The flat people,

2:13

I want to see. So

2:16

they do this in the

2:18

middle of our winter. There's

2:20

summer. They observed the sun above

2:22

the horizon for 24 hours.

2:24

So there's no explanation apparently

2:26

with most of the models

2:28

of flat earth about how

2:30

the sun could stay above

2:32

the horizon for 24 hours.

2:34

So they flew down, they had drones

2:37

flying in the air, they had

2:39

24 hour 360 cameras, they had

2:41

live stream of iPhones, all of

2:43

this stuff, and then they had the

2:45

people that were on the ground.

2:47

And the guys that were there

2:49

observed the sun. This is just a

2:51

drone footage. Oh, this is a

2:54

drone footage? Yeah, so the final

2:56

experiment. So those are apparently mountain

2:58

tops. But they're submerged? It's just

3:00

all ice. That is so fucking

3:02

hardcore. Because you know, there's a

3:05

bunch of things up there that

3:07

look like pyramids. And what it

3:09

really is is just an unusual

3:11

peak of an enormous mountain. Have

3:13

you seen the Antarctic Pyramids? Yeah,

3:15

you gotta go all in on

3:18

that. Okay. We have hard launched,

3:20

hard launched this episode. People that

3:22

believe wild shit about Antarctica. So

3:24

you know about the direct energy weapon

3:27

theory, right? Yes, I did see that

3:29

on Sean Ryan's show. Yes, I did

3:31

as well. I was like, that guy's

3:33

fucking, really interesting. Yeah. He sounds really

3:35

interesting, but if I want to sit

3:37

him next to Eric Weinstein. You know

3:40

what I'm saying? Like, is anything that

3:42

this guy's saying make any sense? Because

3:44

I've done that before with Eric, with

3:46

one guy who was a fraudster. I

3:48

sent him a video and I said,

3:50

tell me if this is gobbledygook. Or

3:53

if this is like real physics. Eric

3:55

to stress test some guy's ideas. Core,

3:57

he loves it. He loves any sort

3:59

of intellect. sexual stimulation and especially

4:01

if it's like mathematics or physics or

4:03

something where it's his wheelhouse and you

4:05

know he's great because you can someone

4:08

can sound really good to me You

4:10

know, they could start quoting thermal dynamics

4:12

and... Finassing you through whatever that problem

4:14

is. Like chiropractors do. You know, chiropractors

4:16

use all these crazy weird terms for

4:18

musculature and different insertion points is to

4:20

let you know that they have a

4:23

comprehensive understanding of the body that's far

4:25

beyond yours, Chris. And this is the

4:27

same thing like a lot of fraudsters

4:29

do. They'll use enormous language and very

4:31

verbose... you know, phrases, and it's like

4:33

they're just trying to get you to

4:36

think that they're smarter than they are.

4:38

Yeah, I think people use sort of

4:40

complex language and fluency as a proxy

4:42

for truthfulness and insight. Yes, yes, and

4:44

especially when if you're dealing with a

4:46

truly brilliant person, that's what a pyramid.

4:49

Oh, this is just on Google Maps.

4:51

Yeah, you've just gone to Google Maps.

4:53

Yeah, I didn't want to go to

4:55

any, I went to the source. Any

4:57

cookie websites. Yeah, that's crazy. But the

4:59

reality is that's probably under a couple

5:01

miles of ice. Yeah, so this final

5:04

experiment thing sent the world into a

5:06

spiral. There was this dude, Jarin Campanella,

5:08

who was one of the biggest influences

5:10

and he's said... I saw the sun

5:12

above the horizon, I think the earth's

5:14

round. He's immediately been, the flat earth

5:17

society's just gone into a head spin.

5:19

They're saying they didn't really go to

5:21

Antarctica. They went to the sphere in

5:23

Vegas, was one of the accusations. They

5:25

did it at the sphere in Vegas,

5:27

and they were tracking it around. This

5:30

fear is not that big kids. It's

5:32

not that big. I've been there. There's

5:34

seats everywhere. You would know you're there.

5:36

I don't know. I don't know. They

5:38

had a bad time. But yeah, it's

5:40

it's that's been pretty wild. Talking of

5:43

pyramids. Dude, this new pyramid shit that's

5:45

just come out. Oh, this is insane.

5:47

Yeah, I was gonna send this to

5:49

you as well, Jamie. I'll send you

5:51

one of the most comprehensive breakdowns of

5:53

it on X, because it's quite stunning.

5:55

So apparently, through the use of Lydar,

5:58

they have discovered that there are enormous

6:00

structures underneath the great pyramid that go

6:02

kilometers deep into the earth with coils.

6:04

So enormous pillars, and then these coils.

6:06

They don't understand what it is, because

6:08

they're all looking, they're just looking at

6:11

LIDAR images, but whatever this is, is

6:13

a uniform structure. There's several pillars, and

6:15

all of this is like very, very,

6:17

very weird. Yeah, 600 meters. Descending down

6:19

those cylinders and then there's more stuff

6:21

below it and then there's additional structures

6:24

inside of it. Yeah, that was crazy.

6:26

It's really crazy. There's a guy Jay

6:28

Anderson and he did a breakdown of

6:30

it. Maybe this would be good. We

6:32

could play this. It makes a little

6:34

more sense when someone's explaining it to

6:37

you. Yeah, I mean, we need somebody

6:39

that's an expert here, not me and

6:41

you. Zawi Hawas, by the way, has

6:43

said it's nonsense. So already? Yes. According

6:45

to Graham Hancock, this is the wonderful

6:47

thing about having Graham Hancock yesterday. I

6:49

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6:52

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significant of a discovery

8:51

this is. Dun

8:54

dun dun, I love

8:56

the music. In geometry, so you

8:58

know it's real. Gotta appreciate the

9:00

dramatic intro. Project Unity. What

9:04

has just been announced in relation

9:07

to the pyramids at the Giza

9:09

Plateau and the plateau itself is

9:11

so incredible, so awe -inspiring and narrative

9:13

shattering that I have been sitting

9:15

here for the last hour trying to

9:17

wrap my head around the implications

9:19

of what we were just told.

9:21

So this is pretty much breaking

9:23

news because the new findings were

9:25

announced on the 16th of March at

9:27

a press conference held by the

9:29

team who was studying the Great

9:31

Pyramid of Giza with a non -invasive

9:34

technology that was first developed

9:36

by Filippo Bionde

9:38

and Corrado Malanga called

9:40

synthetic aperture radar

9:42

Doppler tomography. Fuck, that's

9:44

an This is

9:46

used to explore the

9:49

internal structure of

9:51

the Great Pyramid of

9:53

Giza. And this

9:55

method leverages the analysis

9:57

of micro movements

9:59

typically generated by background

10:01

seismic activity to

10:03

achieve a high -resolution

10:06

full 3D top... demographic imagery

10:08

of the pyramid's interior and subsurface components.

10:10

The recent findings from deploying this technology

10:12

are nothing short of mind-blowing because what's

10:14

been discovered is that there are huge

10:16

structures coming down from the base of

10:18

the pyramid deep into the bedrock. In

10:21

fact over 600 meters deep which

10:23

then connects to structures that

10:25

extend up to two kilometers

10:27

below the surface of the

10:30

ground. One kilometers, massive internal

10:32

structures connected to the base

10:34

of the pyramid and extending

10:37

deep, deep down. This is what we

10:39

know so far. What does your friend

10:41

think about it? Which friend? The one

10:43

that you said it's bullshit. Oh, that's

10:45

not my friend. That's Zawi Hawas.

10:48

Okay. Zawi Hawas is the head

10:50

of antiquities in Egypt. He's like...

10:52

the head guy that talks to

10:55

the archaeologist and gives the official

10:57

narrative in the past. He's been

10:59

extremely hostile to Graham Hancock,

11:01

but Graham Hancock and him and

11:03

have now become friends. Oh, yes.

11:05

I know this guy. Graham is

11:07

a lovely guy. People that are

11:09

enemies with him, just need to

11:11

get to know him and hang out

11:14

with him. He's a genuine, real human

11:16

being who's trying to find the truth.

11:18

He doesn't have fake narratives and... And

11:20

he's so sensitive too, like he's so

11:23

upset, like when people smeared him, like

11:25

the Atlantis thing they were trying to

11:27

say, it's a white supremacist idea to

11:30

look for Atlantis. It's like, what are

11:32

you talking about? Like what are you

11:34

talking about? Like we had this guy

11:37

Flint Dibble on, who in an article,

11:39

and he was... talking about Graham, and

11:41

he's connecting Graham to white supremacy and

11:43

all this crazy shit because of the

11:46

Atlantis theory. It's the way

11:48

they dismiss Atlantis. It pedestalizes

11:50

white heritage. Some people in

11:52

the past, some people in

11:54

the past, who have theorized

11:56

about Atlantis, had white supremacist

11:58

ideas. But also... Most people

12:00

didn't. Like, Plato didn't. Like, the

12:03

people that talked about this place.

12:05

It's in sub-Saharan Africa. I mean,

12:07

it's like the least white supremacist

12:10

discovery of all time. As are

12:12

the pyramids. This is Africa. It's

12:15

the least white supremacist notion of

12:17

all time that this incredibly advanced

12:19

ancient civilization had reached some sort

12:22

of proficiency that's above and beyond

12:24

we attribute to them. I think

12:26

Graham is right and I think

12:29

there's a lot of other people

12:31

that are right too that are

12:34

chasing this down. Christopher Dunn had

12:36

long ago theorized and wrote a

12:38

book that he believes that the

12:41

Great Pyramid of Giza is a

12:43

gigantic power plant. He thinks it

12:45

generates power and he has a

12:48

very like a working theory of

12:50

why it's built the way it's

12:53

built. that totally coincides with the

12:55

ability to produce hydrogen, the ability

12:57

to utilize the rays of space

13:00

and try to find some way

13:02

to generate electricity through this. Yeah,

13:04

the association of other people that

13:07

we don't like talked about this

13:09

thing, therefore anybody else that talks

13:12

about this thing is immediately attached

13:14

to them, just seems like a

13:16

very lazy way to sort of

13:19

smear people. It's lazy thinking. It's

13:21

gross. It's beyond lazy. It's not

13:23

lazy. It's really cheap. It's like

13:26

they're cheap insults. And it's also

13:28

from academia, which is so disappointing.

13:31

I mean, academia has been so

13:33

captured by this mind virus of

13:35

leftism that it's just... It's so

13:38

bizarre to watch the brightest minds

13:40

and the people that we lean

13:42

on for rational, reasonable thinking and...

13:45

an objective understanding of the world.

13:47

We lean on the experts and

13:50

when they're calling someone a white

13:52

supremacist for talking about an advanced

13:54

society that lived in Africa. There's

13:57

a lot of ways that you

13:59

can... put your foot in it.

14:01

There's this woman, Corey Clark, who

14:04

sent a survey to every psychology

14:06

professor in the US and asked

14:09

them questions like what is more

14:11

important, the truth. or ensuring that

14:13

equity is promoted. And a lot

14:16

of professors basically said, I self-censor,

14:18

I would prioritize making people feel

14:20

good over necessarily telling them the

14:23

truth. There are certain opinions that

14:25

people should be reported for, there

14:28

are certain topics that basically shouldn't

14:30

be discussed, the usual suspect stuff

14:32

like behavioral genetics, so heritability, evolutionary

14:35

psychology, as in anything that kind

14:37

of relates to sex differences. And

14:39

yeah, it really is retarding the

14:42

progress of everything. And you think

14:44

we're trickling down from this. What

14:47

sort of educated society are you

14:49

going to have in future? That's

14:51

not going to be particularly good.

14:54

Well, I think it's going to

14:56

encourage independent education. I think you're

14:58

going to encourage people like University

15:01

of Austin, which is they're aiming

15:03

to do just that and to

15:06

kind of bypass all this nonsense

15:08

and just teach people reality. And

15:10

I also think that it's most

15:13

likely, I mean I don't even

15:15

want to say most likely, it's

15:17

most certainly influenced by other countries

15:20

that want to degrade our ability

15:22

to develop meaningful minds that come

15:25

out of universities, like intelligent useful

15:27

people. Distract them with... Social justice

15:29

not just distract them but destroy

15:32

society with it. It's Yuri Bezmanov's

15:34

prediction from 1984 It's like you

15:36

could pass that off as a

15:39

ridiculous conspiracy theory if it wasn't

15:41

totally accurate It's like it's amazing

15:44

how people don't want to believe

15:46

that maybe There's been subversion and

15:48

that maybe our universities have been

15:51

overrun for years with both funding

15:53

which we know is true particularly

15:55

from China China funds a lot

15:58

of American universities. They give a

16:00

lot of grants, they spend a

16:03

lot of money, and this was

16:05

a part of the whole thing

16:07

with George W, or not George

16:10

W, excuse me, with Joe Biden's

16:12

bizarre job that he had, where

16:14

he was a professor. that he

16:17

never showed up for classes and he

16:19

was teaching and he got a large

16:21

salary. He got a mob, no show

16:23

job teaching. Is it a professor? Yeah,

16:25

as a professor. And I think he

16:27

got a million dollars a year just

16:29

do nothing. You know that question that

16:31

people ask about. I know how

16:33

much you got. I don't want

16:35

to get sued. Allegedly. He doesn't

16:37

know what's going on. Well, he

16:39

might auto sign the legal papers.

16:41

There's that question about, there's two

16:43

options about. life in the universe

16:46

that either we're alone or that

16:48

we're not and both are equally

16:50

terrifying. Right. Right. I feel like it's

16:52

the same when it comes to Western

16:54

anti-Westernism and you say either

16:57

we're doing it to ourselves or

16:59

we're not. Right. And both are

17:01

equally terrifying. You know, you're being

17:03

puppeted by this nefarious foreign power.

17:05

Or you're just turning around and

17:07

kicking the ball into your own

17:10

goal over and over again. Well

17:12

I think people will turn around

17:14

and kick the ball into their

17:16

own goal, but I also think

17:18

they're being helped. I think there's

17:21

a substantial amount of this that

17:23

just works automatically. It prays

17:25

upon really weak minds and

17:27

particularly bullies and mean people

17:29

who want to find other

17:31

people that they can hate to

17:33

justify. like whatever virtue they

17:35

believe they have above those

17:37

people and they'll use it

17:39

to hate. And John Cleese

17:42

made a great video about

17:44

this, why extremism is so

17:46

interesting. It's on my Instagram.

17:48

I repost it the other day,

17:50

someone posted it, we'll give him

17:52

credit for it, but it's a

17:54

great clip from 30 years

17:56

ago. In pre-social media, there's

17:59

no social... media at this time

18:01

and he essentially nails what's going on

18:03

with both the right wing extremists

18:05

and the left wing extremists it's

18:07

the same thing they're the same

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20:43

a lot about extremism recently,

20:45

a nastier, harsher atmosphere everywhere,

20:47

more abuse and bother boy

20:49

behavior, less friendliness and tolerance

20:51

and respect for opponents. All

20:53

right, but what we never

20:55

hear about extremism is its

20:58

advantages. Well, the biggest advantage

21:00

of extremism is that it

21:02

makes you feel good because

21:04

it provides you with enemies.

21:06

Let me explain. The great

21:08

thing about having enemies is

21:10

that you can pretend that

21:12

all the badness in the

21:14

whole world is in your

21:16

enemies and all the goodness

21:18

in the whole world is

21:20

in you. Attractive, isn't it?

21:22

So, if you have a

21:24

lot of anger and resentment

21:26

in you anyway, and you

21:28

therefore enjoy abusing people, then

21:31

you can pretend that you're

21:33

only doing it because these

21:35

enemies of yours are such

21:37

very bad persons. And that

21:39

if it wasn't for them,

21:41

you'd actually be good-natured and

21:43

courteous and rational and rational

21:45

all the time. If you

21:47

want to feel good, become

21:49

an extremist. Okay. Now you

21:51

have a choice. If you

21:53

join the hard left, they'll

21:55

give you their list of

21:57

authorized enemies. Almost all kinds

21:59

of authority, especially the police,

22:02

the city, Americans, judges, multinational

22:04

corporations, public... I bet the

22:06

moderates are in there again.

22:08

I bet the moderates are

22:10

in there again. No, I

22:12

bet the moderates are in

22:14

there again. No problem. I

22:16

bet the moderates are in

22:18

there again. No other enemies.

22:20

Only they're different ones. Noisy

22:22

minority groups, unions, Russia, weirdos,

22:24

demonstrators, welfare sponges, meddlesome clergy,

22:26

peace-nicksnicks, peace-nicks, the BBC, peace-nicks,

22:28

the BBC, strikers, communists and

22:30

of course, moderates. And upstar factors.

22:33

Now, once you're armed with one

22:35

of these superlists of enemies, you

22:37

can be as nasty as you

22:39

like and yet feel your behaviors

22:41

morally justified. So you can strut

22:43

around abusing people and telling them

22:46

you could eat them for breakfast

22:48

and still think of yourself as

22:50

a champion of the truth. A

22:52

fighter for the greater good. And

22:54

not the rather sad paranoid schitzoid

22:57

who really are. Seriously. Brilliant,

22:59

brilliant. Yeah, I remember. Pre-social media.

23:01

But the dynamic is still the

23:03

same, right? It's just amplified now,

23:05

so much so that it's a

23:07

part of everyone's life. So many

23:09

people's morality stands on the shoulders

23:11

of somebody that's fallen behind, right?

23:13

It's look at how much, look at how bad that

23:15

person is. You don't need to look at me. And

23:17

I think that if people start pointing

23:19

it out groups and they bind their

23:22

group together over the mutual hatred of

23:24

an out group, that's usually an indication.

23:26

I'm like... I should look a little

23:28

bit closer at you. Like, we might

23:30

be a good example. Lizzo.

23:32

Didn't think I was going

23:35

to go there. Lizzo, talking

23:37

about how she was in

23:39

support of these bigger goals

23:41

and she was going to

23:43

help their careers and give

23:45

them a platform, presumably a

23:47

structurally reinforced platform. Meanwhile

23:51

behind the scenes, she's body shaming them,

23:53

she's starving them, she's not letting them

23:55

have water, apart from when she makes

23:57

them eat bananas out of the vaginas

24:00

of Amsterdam. stripers. Douglas Murray

24:02

said that she thought

24:04

that she could outsource

24:06

eating fruit to somebody

24:08

else. And meanwhile, you

24:11

think she's portraying Nicey

24:13

Nicey out front what's

24:15

happening behind the scenes.

24:17

I remember this, this

24:20

was pre, yeah please,

24:22

this was pre, thank

24:24

you. pre-

24:29

Trump Elon, really pre- Trump Elon. And

24:31

he was saying, thank you very much,

24:33

and he was saying, what I care

24:35

about is doing good, not the appearance

24:38

of it. And he's discussing performative empathy

24:40

in this way, this sort of sense

24:42

that what's most important is to protect

24:45

people's feelings. And I think that this

24:47

really is a point, it doesn't matter

24:49

whether you're on left or right. This

24:51

is a point that you should care

24:54

about because you want people to have

24:56

some sense of transparency, legitimacy, they want

24:58

to be telling the truth, you want

25:00

to trust that what someone is saying

25:03

to you is actually what they believe.

25:05

And he said, what I care about

25:07

is doing good, not the appearance of

25:09

it. There are lots of people who

25:12

are doing evil while proclaiming that they're

25:14

doing good. And that's the same that

25:16

you're talking about there with John Please.

25:18

You're saying... These people's morality will stand

25:21

on the shoulders of others who have

25:23

fallen behind. It's the same reason why

25:25

if somebody's in the middle of a

25:28

scandal, look at who comes out and

25:30

twists the knife. A lot. Do you

25:32

go, huh? I wonder what's in your,

25:34

it's the classic congressman that's got the

25:37

anti-gay bill, who's just gay as fuck.

25:39

Yeah, yeah, Glory holes and you know,

25:41

check his hard drive. That's the person

25:43

who's hard drive. So yeah, it's just

25:46

such an obvious warning sign to me

25:48

that what's happening inside of someone is

25:50

probably not that good. Yeah, I mean

25:52

if you're looking to destroy someone. particularly

25:55

like you're you're attacking someone online particularly.

25:57

almost all of

25:59

those people are deeply

26:01

broken. There's

26:04

always some creepiness that lurks behind the

26:06

scenes that you're trying to cover

26:08

up for with your actions. Almost always.

26:10

You're trying to put the light

26:12

on this person. You're gonna put the

26:14

eye of Sauron on this person

26:16

to keep it off yourself. I've seen

26:18

that a lot of, you know,

26:20

self -proclaimed male feminists. Sneaky fuckers. Yeah,

26:22

that I know to be creeps, you

26:24

know? And I'm like, ew. And

26:26

I'll see them attacking some other guy.

26:29

I'm like, oh, God. I don't

26:31

dive in, but I want to sometimes.

26:35

Sometimes I want to just burn the boats

26:37

and pull the fucking pins on the

26:39

grenades. You know what I don't like about

26:41

that sort of level of aggressive criticism?

26:43

I think I'm, you could describe me as

26:46

a criticism hyper -responder. I'm someone for whom

26:48

it probably impacted me more than it

26:50

should do. Certainly more than it should do

26:52

for someone who gets the level of

26:54

attention that I've managed to get myself to

26:56

now. Right. And what I don't like

26:58

about it is it causes people like me

27:00

to be way less confident in their

27:02

own positions because you think, oh well, most

27:04

people, if it was me, I would

27:07

only give feedback if I was really certain

27:09

and if I had this person's best

27:11

interests at heart and if I wanted them

27:13

to do better and if I actually

27:15

knew what I was talking about, then I

27:17

would tell this person what I think

27:19

about them and what I think about what

27:21

they're saying. And if you apply that

27:23

rubric to everybody else that gives you criticism,

27:25

you give undue unfair expertise and legitimacy

27:28

to people who don't have your best interests

27:30

at heart. They don't understand what you're

27:32

trying to do. They don't care about you.

27:34

They don't get it. And it causes

27:36

a lot of people, basically I think that

27:38

criticism killed more dreams than a lack

27:40

of competence ever did because people are just,

27:42

I'm worried about pushing these boundaries too

27:44

much. This person, all of my friends tell

27:46

me the truth. Why isn't this person

27:49

on the internet? There's this idea from Ethan

27:51

Cross called criticism capture. So you'll have

27:53

heard of audience capture, right? Yes. Where a

27:55

creator starts feeding red meat to the

27:57

audience, it becomes very predictable. Criticism capture. basically

28:00

says it's not the compliments,

28:03

but the criticisms that are

28:05

more warping, that over time

28:07

what you end up doing is

28:10

changing the way that you speak, you

28:12

become a... flame sword, flaming sword, wielding,

28:14

card carrying member that's as aggressive as

28:16

possible to push back against it, or

28:18

you go the other way, and you

28:20

begin to caveat very aggressively, you start

28:22

to dampen down all of your opinions

28:25

so that nobody can take offense to

28:27

them. You have these unnecessarily long sort

28:29

of dire tribes, sort of we land

28:31

acknowledgement, well we must remember that women

28:33

are struggling with the thing and we

28:35

have to do memories. But now we've

28:37

got that out of the way, let's

28:39

talk about men's problems, or whatever it

28:42

might be. I just wish that the

28:44

internet was a little bit more positive,

28:46

some, as opposed to negative some, and

28:49

I understand that people bind together over

28:51

mutual hatreds of outgroups. But the oldest

28:53

story in human history is, that group

28:55

of people are different to us. Yeah. Let's

28:58

get them. The oldest story in history. I

29:00

mean, it's tribal genetics. It's

29:02

like baked into our DNA, literally. And

29:04

it can be manipulated. And when people

29:06

are doing it, and they're doing it

29:08

with a very obvious... distortion

29:11

of your actual position just

29:13

to label you as the

29:16

worst possible least charitable version

29:18

of you that could ever be

29:21

remotely considered. You see that all

29:23

the time where people are just

29:25

trying to distort a narrative.

29:27

You're seeing that right now

29:30

with Elon, right? You're seeing

29:32

people justify violence and

29:35

extreme vandalism. and you're

29:37

seeing people cheering on and it's

29:39

very strange. There was a thing

29:42

on the Daily Show where the

29:44

host was talking about the attacks

29:46

on Tesla and people keying people

29:49

and the audience starts clapping and

29:51

cheering. It's so strange. It's so

29:53

fucking strange. And it's also just

29:56

shows you how positions

29:58

just completely flip-flop. Like

30:00

at the Tesla used to be

30:02

the car that you drove to

30:04

let everybody know that you were

30:06

environmentally conscious and you were good

30:08

left us. It's a good question.

30:10

Do we care about the environment

30:12

or not? Because those fumes that

30:14

are being kicked out are not.

30:16

And not good. A thousand jet

30:18

airplanes flying overhead for a year.

30:20

Yeah. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah. It's

30:23

wild. You're lighting batteries on fire.

30:25

They're so toxic. Yeah. Lithium and

30:27

all sorts of shit getting pissed

30:29

into the environment. Oh. This is

30:31

for a righteous cause. Yeah, it's

30:33

all funded too. It's funded by

30:35

NGOs. That's where it gets really

30:37

creepy. The Tesla fires are funded

30:39

by NGOs. Yeah, people are uncovering

30:41

exactly what's going on and this

30:43

is where, this is where it

30:45

gets fascinating because all this stuff

30:47

is operated pretty much with impunity

30:49

in the past before Doge, before

30:52

Elon and his... crew of hyper

30:54

spectrum psychopaths started to. Fucking teenage

30:56

mutant Ninja Turtles. Super Wizards started

30:58

diving into all this data. And

31:00

this is something that. Ted Cruz

31:02

talked about, he said we had

31:04

always known that there was these

31:06

problems, but until Elon came along

31:08

with these algorithms, we couldn't expose

31:10

them. We didn't understand what was

31:12

going on. And now they've used

31:14

AI to create this understanding of

31:16

the net of NGOs that is

31:18

all funded by USAID and by

31:21

similar type programs where you know

31:23

you kind of have these open-ended

31:25

checks that get written to the

31:27

other side that's the top. Yeah

31:29

right there. How often you smoke

31:31

cigars fellow a couple of times?

31:33

Well, I fucking turn this around

31:35

the wrong way. All right. No

31:37

worries keep going But this is

31:39

this is the essentially the way

31:41

Mike Bens describes it. He's the

31:43

very best at it I don't

31:45

have you ever seen his his

31:47

breakdowns of? USAID. I love his

31:50

episodes on here incredible so interesting.

31:52

They're so interesting because you realize

31:54

like this has been going on

31:56

forever and ever and ever and

31:58

this is this is the arm

32:00

of the government that is about

32:02

regime change a lot of the

32:04

money gets funneled into these other

32:06

countries and it's under the guise

32:08

of you know air quotes aid

32:10

but it's not aid it's agency

32:12

for international development and it's it's

32:14

all about influence and power all

32:16

throughout the world and and also

32:18

at home and one of the

32:21

things that it does at home

32:23

is they organize these protests. They

32:25

organize protests, different NGOs do, all

32:27

funded by the government, all funded

32:29

by taxpayer money in this weird

32:31

way, and when they do it,

32:33

they pay people to show up

32:35

at these places. I've got pamphlets

32:37

of people who have given me

32:39

that they've taken from these locations

32:41

or gotten from email lists where...

32:43

Is that purposefully no digital record?

32:45

I think probably, but I don't

32:47

think they care. I mean, I

32:50

think as long as they're saying

32:52

they're going to pay you to

32:54

protest. I think that's legal. I

32:56

think it's legal to pay someone

32:58

to protest. So they're paying people

33:00

$1,000 and they're giving them food

33:02

and snacks and you can get

33:04

a lot of people to just

33:06

show up for a thousand bucks.

33:08

And then some of them are

33:10

going to get a little Vandelie.

33:12

are the ones who are painting

33:14

swastikas on cars. Just understand how

33:16

crazy positions can flip and flop.

33:19

The left is upset that we're

33:21

not continuing an endless war in

33:23

Ukraine. The left is upset that

33:25

this guy is uncovering fraud and

33:27

waste. And so in order to

33:29

stop that, you must light cars

33:31

on fire and put swastikas on

33:33

them. Because he's a Nazi. Because

33:35

he said my heart goes out

33:37

to you. Even though there's countless

33:39

videos of AOC doing that gesture

33:41

Tim Walsh doing that gesture enthusiastically

33:43

Many many people I do think

33:45

if you're in that position if

33:47

you've got this heritage coming in

33:50

Just be careful with where you

33:52

put your hands. Don't you know

33:54

what I mean? Like just fucking

33:56

think about where you put your

33:58

hands He's on the spectrum, man.

34:00

He's not normal. You've seen that

34:02

video comparing him and Trump's son.

34:04

There's two different types of autism.

34:06

Have you seen this? No, I

34:08

haven't. Oh my God. It's so

34:10

good. I think it's at the

34:12

inauguration. And they're both stood next

34:14

to each other. And Elon's sort

34:16

of fist pumping and loving it.

34:19

And Trump's just like staring off.

34:21

Apparently Trump's son went up to

34:23

Biden at the inauguration and said

34:25

it's on now. What

34:27

is this, a fucking UFC fight?

34:29

I mean that's literally, apparently lip

34:31

readers have like read what he

34:33

said when he went up to,

34:36

because there's a moment where he

34:38

goes up to Biden and Biden

34:40

looks confused and he doesn't smile,

34:42

he's like, eh, but he walks

34:44

up and it's on now. Well,

34:46

they need to do, you know,

34:48

how football coaches have got, they

34:50

put the play thing over the

34:52

front of their mouth like this

34:54

and they're talking to it. That's

34:56

how it needs to be done

34:59

now for politics with lip readers

35:01

everywhere. That kid knew there was

35:03

lip readers. I don't think he

35:05

gave a fuck. I think they

35:07

tried to put his dad in

35:09

jail and he wants to kill

35:11

that guy. He's dead. He dies

35:13

in jail. He's going to get

35:15

no food. He's going to be

35:17

no nutrition, no sunlight, depression, intense

35:20

fucking anxiety. You're in jail. You're

35:22

dead. He's 80 years old. He's

35:24

not going to last 105 in

35:26

jail. There was a video from

35:28

Forbes recently that got a million

35:30

plays in a day talking about

35:32

Trump getting like bopped on the

35:34

nose by a boomer. Yeah, by

35:36

a little boomer. He just little

35:38

boop on the nose. Yeah. I

35:40

have to say I have such

35:43

fucking news. politics fatigue already, well

35:45

what, two months into the sort

35:47

of presidency, and it is the

35:49

velocity of bullshit. If you can

35:51

get a million plays in the

35:53

day because Trump got bopped on

35:55

the nose by a fucking boom

35:57

mic, it just, the app. is

35:59

it seems endless for it. It

36:01

just feels it's very it's exhausting.

36:03

I'm kind of having to check out

36:06

and I know that people say oh

36:08

well it's a luxurious position you don't

36:10

need to pay attention to politics it's

36:13

a luxurious position for you to be

36:15

in people at the bottom they do

36:17

need to pay attention to be in

36:19

people at the bottom they do need

36:22

to pay to pay attention to politics.

36:24

It's an interesting stat because actually the

36:26

most educated. I'm so... You're

36:28

allowed to be exhausted.

36:30

It's ridiculous. Newsweek

36:33

wrote an article about how

36:35

one of the names of one

36:38

of our podcast, who's a good

36:40

friend of mine, Michael Costa,

36:42

his name was misspelled

36:45

accidentally. On the

36:47

feed? You're on the road. And

36:49

so Newsweek. Is that you, Jamie?

36:51

It wasn't even misspelled. I don't

36:53

know. It was miscapitalized. That's a

36:56

second letter. Had a capitalization too.

36:58

The defense rests its case here.

37:00

It wasn't even misspelled. Right. It

37:02

was M. Capital I. Michael Costa.

37:05

Like me kow cost or something. Okay

37:07

a headline it's a fucking article

37:09

in Newsweek Ever think that your

37:11

career would result in you having

37:13

typos for a headline Jamie? I

37:15

don't even know which ones we've

37:17

missed. I'm sure there's but other

37:19

ones That's just the first one

37:21

a hundred percent. What happens? It

37:23

happens people make mistakes. You're typing

37:25

things in yeah, but the fact

37:27

that it's an article that we're

37:29

being called out for a typo

37:31

Must be a fucking art, but

37:33

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Anything for clicks? That was something

38:50

that I noticed a trend that

38:53

I've noticed over the last couple

38:55

of years. Legacy Media is really

38:57

struggling to garner attention itself. It

38:59

seems like fewer and fewer people

39:02

are listening to it. We saw

39:04

that over the last election. You

39:06

know, it seems to me like

39:09

the best way that legacy media

39:11

can gain traffic. is to talk

39:13

about independent media. How many times

39:15

are we seeing headlines about Andrew

39:18

Hubeman or about the right-wing manosphere

39:20

pipeline and how it's getting people

39:22

to do this? Or the other

39:25

side, like why is there not

39:27

a Joe Rogan of the, like

39:29

you know, whatever the headline is,

39:31

more and more the way that

39:34

legacy media is able to achieve

39:36

traffic is only in reference to

39:38

independent media. Yes. I was opposed

39:41

to us being downstream from them,

39:43

they're now downstream from us. Yeah,

39:45

and anything masculine is right wing.

39:47

Anything. You cannot be masculine. Like

39:50

you cannot be interested in physical

39:52

fitness, anything... It's a pipeline to

39:54

being right wing. Yes. You can't

39:57

like fast cars? No. You're not

39:59

allowed to? You're not even allowed

40:01

to like Tesla's anymore. Massaginous. Which

40:03

is the fastest cars. Yep. Yeah,

40:06

you're misogynist. You're probably racist. Maybe

40:08

a Nazi. I'm going to put

40:10

a swastika in your car just

40:13

to let everybody know. It's

40:17

there was some really fucking stupid

40:19

graph that someone put up of

40:21

how right wing Social media and

40:23

new media people That was the

40:25

media matters. Yeah, yeah, this is

40:27

interesting I was at the top

40:29

of the list I was at

40:31

the top of the list and

40:33

I was like I feel like

40:35

the way Caitlin Jenner must have

40:37

felt like when she won women

40:39

in the year like So quick

40:41

I got the top of the

40:44

list I'm not even right wing

40:46

just because I support Trump I

40:48

supported him over the rest of

40:50

the fucking nonsense that was going

40:52

on when you're trying to push

40:54

through someone without even a primary.

40:56

Here it is. This is it.

40:58

I'm number one bitch. It's kind

41:00

of funny, like they're putting Theo

41:02

on in there. Lex Friedman? Yeah,

41:04

that's, Lex Friedman, that's hilarious to

41:06

put him in there. Who else

41:08

they have in there that's ridiculous

41:10

Morgan? Well, Pierce Morgan is kind

41:12

of like right leaning, leaning I

41:14

think, but I think he's pretty

41:16

reasonable. I think he's far more

41:18

of a centrist. Kill Tony 3.5.

41:20

I still understand how that's a

41:23

political show. It's not, but Tony,

41:25

you know, was at the White

41:27

House, or the... Flagrant, 2.8. Yeah,

41:29

flagrant is not a right-wing show,

41:31

you fucking idiot. I have a

41:33

bunch of red dots too with

41:35

no names on them, which is,

41:37

and then bold ones. You're allowed

41:39

to, shut up, Jamie, stuff beams.

41:41

I managed to thread, I managed

41:43

to thread the needle of avoiding

41:45

this. You're going to get on

41:47

there now. They're going to put

41:49

you on now. Yeah. They're too

41:51

little too small. No one cares.

41:53

No one gets too. Yeah, it's

41:55

hilarious. It's very funny. What do

41:57

you think of the? If you

41:59

got a proposed reason for why

42:02

this, is it just a judgment

42:04

criteria that the judging shows that

42:06

aren't right wing as right wing? Or

42:08

is it genuinely that for some

42:10

reason the left is struggling to

42:12

make progress in independent media? Well,

42:14

they're struggling to make progress in

42:17

independent media for sure, and they're

42:19

trying to figure out why these,

42:21

what they are calling right wing. I

42:23

think if you looked at all my

42:25

positions. I think way more of them

42:27

are left wing than right wing. What

42:30

are the left wing positions that you

42:32

still hold? Well, the big one is

42:34

having some sort of a social safety

42:36

net. I was on welfare when I

42:39

was a kid. My family was on

42:41

food stamps. We were fucking poor as

42:43

shit. And I remember that helping

42:45

us a lot. We had food. Where I

42:47

don't know what we would be doing. If

42:49

we did, I mean, we were in

42:52

a bad place. there's social safety nets

42:54

for people my my family got out

42:56

of that and my stepfather and my

42:58

mother wind up doing well they did

43:00

they did really great and they they got

43:02

out of dead and bought a house and great

43:04

job and the whole deal but when I was

43:07

a little boy we were fucked

43:09

and I think social safety nets

43:11

are very important for people it's

43:13

very important for society if you

43:16

care about the whole society you

43:18

don't want people starving when there's

43:20

ways to develop government programs

43:23

to make sure people have

43:25

food and i think that's this

43:27

idea of pulling up by

43:29

their bootstraps is horseshit some

43:31

people don't have boots they

43:33

don't have straps they don't

43:36

have nothing they're they're fucked

43:38

they're fucked from the moment

43:40

they were born they're born

43:42

to a bad family environment

43:44

in a bad neighborhood and crime

43:46

and gangs and drugs and it's

43:48

not even playing field 100%

43:50

should be socially funded. I

43:53

think that Medicare and

43:55

Medicaid, having programs where people

43:57

who are hurt can. an

44:00

operation and it's not going to bankrupt

44:02

them for the rest of their life

44:04

is another thing that I think society

44:06

should be a part of our agreement

44:09

to take care of each other as

44:11

a community that we chip in money

44:13

for what people would think of as

44:15

socialist positions. And I always bring up

44:17

the fire department because the fire department

44:20

is one of the best examples that

44:22

everybody sort of agrees. It's a socialist

44:24

sort of thing. give your tax dollars

44:26

the tax dollars supports the fire department

44:29

the fire department fairly puts out fires

44:31

for everybody they don't not put out

44:33

your fire if you don't have any

44:35

money yeah it's not like they don't

44:37

the fires don't such a good example

44:40

but when you compare that to the

44:42

way that medical access is done at

44:44

least in this country but I also

44:46

Believe in competition. I've said this before

44:49

I'll say it again. I want my

44:51

doctor to be a bad motherfucker who

44:53

drives a Mercedes I want my doctor

44:55

to like be really good I want

44:57

to be an artist You know, I

45:00

want to go to the guy who

45:02

fixes the Lakers knees You know, that's

45:04

the guy you want you want that

45:06

guy who has a nice watch and

45:09

he lives in a nice house and

45:11

he kicks ass and he knows how

45:13

to fucking fix people really well He's

45:15

the best at it and you go

45:18

to him and you get an operation

45:20

competition because competition inspires excellence. You know,

45:22

being rewarded for your hard work is

45:24

a giant incentive for people to get

45:26

amazing at things. And you need that,

45:29

you need that too. But there's also

45:31

a lot of very good doctors who

45:33

would be very happy to do something

45:35

that helps the overall greater good of

45:38

the community, just like you have really

45:40

good you know, a sign to you

45:42

if you're, uh, you know, if you're

45:44

getting unjustly tried and you want a

45:46

really good one that can help you.

45:49

You know, there's, there's state appointed attorneys

45:51

that are just good people that want

45:53

to help people. You know, Bill Murray

45:55

was talking about his daughter, his daughter

45:58

does that. You know, there's room for

46:00

that with the amount of money that

46:02

we spend on so many things that

46:04

we all agree are fucked and maybe

46:06

some of that could be freed up

46:09

with some of this USAID money that

46:11

they're pulling. I mean... There's nothing wrong

46:13

with giving people health care like if

46:15

you know anybody that's been injured and

46:18

was bankrupt Because they didn't have insurance

46:20

and then they had to get some

46:22

crazy operation and now they have this

46:24

enormous debt and they wind up going

46:26

bankrupt or they're getting chased down for

46:29

the money for the rest of their

46:31

life It's horrible. It's the number one

46:33

cause of bankruptcy in America. Yeah medical

46:35

debt I mean coming from the UK

46:38

where we've got the NHS it feels

46:40

fucking barbaric it really does feel barbaric

46:42

barbaric I remember I went to New

46:44

Orleans and I was getting This great

46:46

ghost tour on an evening time, it's

46:49

like fun tourist shit to do in

46:51

New Orleans. I do those. Anna, the

46:53

guy, the guide was so good, my

46:55

mother was a wicken, and I don't

46:58

know if that was true, but the

47:00

tail was lovely. Anyway, Anna, he was

47:02

telling me I've got a chipped wisdom

47:04

tooth, and my girlfriend got into a

47:06

car wreck the other day, and he

47:09

basically said, he was explaining to me

47:11

about how you can get bankrupt by

47:13

the stuff, he was like, That could

47:15

be the end of essentially the beginning

47:18

of the end of your life. And

47:20

that really, I mean, that was six,

47:22

seven years ago now, and it's still

47:24

like, that was the most haunting thing

47:27

about the fucking ghost tour, because him

47:29

telling me about the medical debt, and

47:31

then I think the reaction to the

47:33

United Health CEO killing as well, for

47:35

me, somebody who didn't fully understand how

47:38

many of the claims are denied, I

47:40

think that there was an increase by

47:42

about 30% in denial of claims over

47:44

only the most recent period, and I

47:47

just thought Guy shoots person. Typically the

47:49

guy that shoots them is in the

47:51

wrong and the reaction on the internet

47:53

just I wasn't ready for it and

47:55

it really sort of Taught me this

47:58

undercurrent of dissatisfaction that almost everybody in

48:00

America has with the healthcare system. Yeah,

48:02

I think it's a quiet epidemic. I

48:04

think there's been a lot of people

48:07

massively affected by it and they're just

48:09

steaming just sitting there seething just angry

48:11

waiting for some righteous person to come

48:13

in and do But then you see

48:15

the fucking revolving door between the FDA

48:18

and the pharmaceutical drug corporations where these

48:20

people leave and then all of a

48:22

sudden they have these amazing jobs at

48:24

pharmaceutical drug companies and they're making millions

48:27

of dollars like how is that legal?

48:29

How is this whole thing legal? Like

48:31

when you realize that doctors are incentivized

48:33

to medicate people, they're financially incentivized to

48:35

give people certain medications, whether it's vaccines,

48:38

they get bonuses if they're vaccinate more.

48:40

than 60% of their clients and they

48:42

lose those bonuses if people don't get

48:44

vaccinated. There's like a lot of creepy

48:47

shit that's involved in medicine. The FDA

48:49

ban on compounded Ozemphic started yesterday. Oh,

48:51

it's a ban. So you have to

48:53

get it from the big, big companies.

48:55

Correct. Bringham taught me about this. I

48:58

didn't understand how it works. If there's

49:00

a shortage of a drug, compounding pharmacies

49:02

are... kind of allowed to just bypass

49:04

patents in some way. It's like you

49:07

can produce it and you can make

49:09

it cheaper and more widely available because

49:11

the supply chain's fucked or something like

49:13

that. And yesterday... That would be a

49:15

good thing for society. Well to make

49:18

more drugs more widely available for cheaper?

49:20

If it's good, if it's a very

49:22

important pharmaceutical drug that can save people's

49:24

lives. Imagine not letting compound pharmacies make

49:27

it. for people that can't get it.

49:29

Yeah, I can't afford it or don't

49:31

have the insurance for it. So yeah,

49:33

I mean that that came into effect.

49:35

I think tzepotide got popped yesterday and

49:38

then partway through April semi-glutide is going

49:40

to go as well. Yeah, that's all

49:42

just eliminating competition, right? Well, we need

49:44

to think, you know, all of the

49:47

people that are using these drugs that

49:49

are losing weight with them, whatever. We

49:51

need to think about who the real

49:53

sort of... people suffering from this situation

49:56

are who were the stock owners of

49:58

telehealth companies. If you own hymns or

50:00

whatever the stocks declined by a lot.

50:02

Dude, I've been thinking so much about

50:04

Ozemphic recently, and I think the introduction

50:07

of Ozemphic proves how much of a

50:09

scam the body positivity movement was all

50:11

along. You look at the Golden Globes

50:13

and all of the women that were

50:16

supporting their bigger sisters, as soon as

50:18

there was an easy route to being

50:20

able to become a skeleton, they look

50:22

like this. Look like this guy here.

50:24

They all get those sucked in cheeks

50:27

and the eye socket suck in. It

50:29

was it just shows how flimsy

50:31

your principles are that it

50:33

was easier for you to

50:36

say I can't win this

50:38

particular game therefore the game is

50:40

rigged. Like if you can't get what

50:42

you want, you have to teach yourself

50:45

to want what you can get and

50:47

then proclaim to everybody else that they

50:49

should get it too. And yeah, the

50:52

Golden Globes, you just got these fucking...

50:54

skeleton motherfuckers walking around. And yeah, I

50:56

mean, women of Hollywood are now facing

50:59

the same dilemma that dudes who go

51:01

to the gym have had for decades

51:03

because it's pointless losing weight

51:05

naturally. Why would you lose weight naturally because

51:07

everybody's going to accuse you of having used

51:09

those empic in any case? Same thing as

51:11

a dude. If you gain weight as a

51:13

guy and you get jacked, really jacked, if

51:15

you really discipline yourself in multiple years, progressive

51:17

overload, time and attention, hitting your protein

51:20

girls, getting enough sleep, what your friends

51:22

and the people of the internet will

51:24

say is, yeah dude, easy if you

51:26

take trend below. And it's the exact

51:28

same. What is the incentive for anybody

51:30

to lose weight, naturally, now, and apart

51:32

from, I have some concerns about the

51:34

drugs and the side effects and so on

51:37

and so forth, socially there is no

51:39

incentive for you to lose weight naturally.

51:41

You remember when Adele lost all that

51:43

weight? Uh-huh. In the before time, she

51:45

did it in the before times, dude.

51:48

She did it hard. Yeah, exactly. Extreme

51:50

difficulty. Yeah. But yeah, now... Now she's hot.

51:52

Do you remember when she did that Jamaica thing

51:54

she came out and she had all of her

51:56

hair like done like this? Yeah, but uh yeah,

51:58

there's this odd like Pascal wager that you

52:01

have to make where you think I

52:03

can either lose weight normally or without

52:05

assistance it's going to be more difficult

52:07

and people are going to accuse me

52:10

of using Ozempic in any case or

52:12

I can just take it and it'll

52:14

be easier and they'll accuse me of

52:17

it if nothing changes. Yeah I'm in

52:19

favour of Ozempic for people that are

52:21

morbidly obese. I think anything that can

52:23

get you on the path, and I

52:26

think if you can combine that, if

52:28

you can say, okay, this is what

52:30

I'm doing, so I'm going to do

52:33

this, and then I'm going to start

52:35

an exercise program, and then you wind

52:37

up losing 30, 40 pounds, you feel

52:40

better, you look better, if you can

52:42

continue this exercise program, you've at least

52:44

put a healthy thing in your life

52:46

along with Osempik. I think that's critical.

52:49

Because also that can mitigate some of

52:51

the negative effects of one of the

52:53

things that we're seeing is that people

52:56

are losing a lot of muscle mass

52:58

and a lot of bone mass, as

53:00

much as 30% of the weight that

53:02

people are losing is muscle and bone.

53:05

and that I think could probably be

53:07

mitigated with regular strength training. You know

53:09

you're only hearing about this from people

53:12

that aren't strength training. Do not have

53:14

a fitness regime. Which is the majority

53:16

of these people that need this. That's

53:19

how they got fat in the first

53:21

place. Right, right. So Johan Hari did

53:23

a really great book on this. You

53:25

had Johan on a bunch of times.

53:28

He wrote this book called Magic Pill

53:30

and he's got just a really nice

53:32

takeaway. He says if you're under BMI

53:35

of 30 and you're trying to lose

53:37

weight. go fuck yourself if you're between

53:39

30 and 35 there's probably a value

53:42

judgment you need to make and if

53:44

you're over 35 b m i the

53:46

cost benefit analysis seems to sort of

53:48

work in your favor yeah yeah people

53:51

are losing more muscle and bone mass

53:53

from using Ozempic than you would typically

53:55

if you were not using that. But

53:58

I think that that's just largely a

54:00

selection criteria for the sort of people

54:02

that are using Ozempic to help them

54:04

lose weight, that they're not having to,

54:07

they're so heavily calorie restricted that they

54:09

don't need to have a fitness program.

54:11

They don't have to really change their

54:14

diet. I learned this, Johan taught me

54:16

this thing, it's super interesting, gastric band

54:18

surgery. after people have that, the suicide

54:21

risk is pretty high. And sometimes it's

54:23

because of these surgeons that leave the

54:25

gauze in or leave a scalpel or

54:27

like a fucking cigar end in these

54:30

complications that can happen physically. But the

54:32

other thing that happens is these people

54:34

used food as their coping mechanism for

54:37

how they would feel better. And their

54:39

ability to eat and their appetite has

54:41

gone away, but their psychological issues have

54:44

not. and they don't have a coping

54:46

mechanism. They've no longer got this outlet.

54:48

Right. And then there's the issue also,

54:50

you're not going to feel as good

54:53

because your body's not absorbing nutrients correctly.

54:55

You're missing some of your stomach. You

54:57

know, it's like your stomach fills up

55:00

quicker because they removed part of it.

55:02

Like that can't be good just for

55:04

overall metabolic health. Like you're you've diminished

55:06

your body's ability to break down food.

55:09

That just can't be good. And there's

55:11

other ways to do it. There's other

55:13

ways to do it. It's like there's

55:16

a gambling term that you got to

55:18

get better the same way you got

55:20

sick. So like say if you and

55:23

I were playing pool and we're playing

55:25

for a hundred dollars a game and

55:27

you're up five games you're up five

55:29

hundred bucks and I say next game

55:32

for five hundred bucks and you go

55:34

no you got to get better the

55:36

same way you got sick. Oh that's

55:39

interesting. You can't just win one game.

55:41

and now you're even. And they're like,

55:43

come on, what are you, pussy? You're

55:45

scared? Like, nah. That's not how this

55:48

works. You lost one at the time,

55:50

you're not gaining it all back. You

55:52

went down a dark road and you

55:55

missed a lot of shots and now

55:57

you're fucked. And I'm not gonna let

55:59

you off the hook with one easy

56:02

thing. I might do that if it's

56:04

like, okay, you put up a thousand

56:06

and I'll put up 300. We'll see

56:08

that. If you reflect in the odds,

56:11

where we're at financially at the moment.

56:13

Yeah, you got a jacket in my

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another thing with osmic, I have this

57:49

theory that I think thin people are

57:52

more prejudice against people that use osmic

57:54

than fat people are. So typically you

57:56

would say, stay with me. I think

57:59

you're right. So you would have imagined.

58:01

did happen, some areas of the body

58:03

positivity movement said that it was denying

58:06

their right to exist, that it was

58:08

like erasure, you know, that you're losing

58:10

your bigger brothers and sisters, I

58:12

don't know, but they're not

58:14

actually threatened in the same way as

58:17

in weight people are. So I'm aware

58:19

that losing weight through ozempic is not

58:21

the same as getting... in shape, especially

58:23

if you don't do the health and

58:25

fitness regime, if you don't do the

58:27

resistance exercise, you end up gone skinny

58:30

fat, you know, jowls, big cheeks, all

58:32

that stuff. But the signal of being in

58:34

shape, let's just take that as being in

58:36

shape, right, like a normal BMI, the signal

58:38

of being in shape is usually a

58:40

reliable indicator of what you've done

58:42

to have to get that. Uh,

58:44

disciplined, reliable. able to do hard

58:46

things, self-motivated, consistent, consistent, seek to

58:49

a routine, conscientious, industrious, all of

58:51

these things. So you look at

58:53

somebody who's in shape and you think,

58:55

I can infer from your body a lot

58:57

of things about who you are beyond just

59:00

your body. I actually think that this is

59:02

one of the huge benefits that most people

59:04

don't realize about getting in shape if they

59:06

want to attract a partner or whatever. Sure,

59:09

the body looks great when you take the

59:11

clothes off, but what does it signal about

59:13

your underlying values and... Right. Now the problem

59:16

with the introduction of easier

59:18

routes to being in shape is that

59:20

it's completely derogated the signal.

59:22

The signal is now no longer reliable.

59:24

Right. Because previously the signal said I've

59:26

had to jump through all of these

59:28

different hoops. Well now, how do you

59:31

know if they've jumped through all of

59:33

those hoops or if they're just shooting

59:35

us empic once a week? Right. And

59:37

I think that this explains why a lot

59:39

of people who are in shape have a

59:41

real visceral reaction. Lots of people

59:43

concerned about the drugs. Fen-pen was

59:45

this thing in the 90s that

59:47

fucked people up. It was speed. Yeah, I

59:49

mean, it's a good way to lose weight. I

59:52

knew a girl who was on it. She was

59:54

a very pretty girl that was a little heavy

59:56

and then got on the Fen-pen and just

59:58

wanted to talk to her. everybody

1:00:00

couldn't stop talking and got real thin.

1:00:02

I was like this is crazy and

1:00:04

then she developed a heart problem. Yeah,

1:00:07

she kept for the rest of her life

1:00:09

I believe. I don't know her anymore but

1:00:11

I ran into her a couple years later

1:00:13

and she was telling me she has a

1:00:15

heart problem. There's been no free lunch in

1:00:17

weight loss ever yet. No. And I think

1:00:19

that people are looking at... at the GLP ones

1:00:21

and thinking, where's the side effect? When's

1:00:23

it coming? What's it going to do?

1:00:25

Well, there's tons of side effects. It

1:00:27

depends upon the person, because obviously people

1:00:29

are very different biologically. Everyone has a

1:00:31

different tolerance to alcohol, people have different

1:00:33

tolerances to foods, and you're going to

1:00:36

have different tolerances to medications. And I

1:00:38

have good friends that have had horrible

1:00:40

side effects from Oz Empec. They tried

1:00:42

it, they got on it, terrible, pancreatitis.

1:00:45

Yeah. I got a buddy mine, he was

1:00:47

in bed for two weeks. He was

1:00:49

really sick. And I know several other

1:00:51

people that just feel terrible when they

1:00:53

take it. And they had to get

1:00:55

off of it. It was really fucking

1:00:58

with them. And then I know other

1:01:00

people that have taken it. And then

1:01:02

I know other people that have taken

1:01:04

it. Like a buddy mine that works

1:01:06

with the UFC. We ran into him

1:01:09

the other day. I'm like, dude, you

1:01:11

look fucking great. And he, you know,

1:01:13

but he looked great. He looked great. You've

1:01:15

seen Alex Jones? Yeah, but Alex is not on

1:01:17

anything. I know. So this is... He's not

1:01:19

on I was epic at all. He's just... He

1:01:22

works with my friend Sean. I've been watching him

1:01:24

train. I've been watching him train on a Tuesday.

1:01:26

Not watching him train. He trains when I train.

1:01:28

I'm not following Alex Jones around. And he's

1:01:30

likely story. Getting after... I know that's exactly

1:01:33

what someone from the Deep State would say.

1:01:35

Do you know him? Did you just see

1:01:37

him there? I've spied him over the far

1:01:39

side. You never had a conversation with him?

1:01:41

I once saw him when I did Tim

1:01:43

Poole show in the RV outside of the

1:01:45

info wars car park. Oh yeah, I did that.

1:01:48

Yeah, it was the same week. That was

1:01:50

the first week I was ever in

1:01:52

Austin. It was three and a bit

1:01:54

years ago. I remember that live stream.

1:01:56

That was fun. Alex is a lovely

1:01:58

person. He's working really hard. in the

1:02:00

gym. But look... If he just

1:02:02

had that one thing that he

1:02:04

didn't talk about, that's it. Is

1:02:06

that one thing? Everything else has

1:02:08

been mostly right about. You know

1:02:10

what I should have said? Alex

1:02:12

Jones is like the fucking patient

1:02:14

zero for if you lose weight

1:02:16

by going to the gym and

1:02:19

working out and changing your diet?

1:02:21

People are just going to say

1:02:23

it was a zempick. No, people

1:02:25

think he's a totally different person.

1:02:27

They think they've replaced Alex Jones

1:02:29

with someone else. Is this what...

1:02:31

Did David, David Ike have a...

1:02:33

Alex Jones recently did he who

1:02:35

did David Ike get in trouble

1:02:37

with Jamie was that I? I

1:02:39

feel like there was some it

1:02:41

was somebody else in that sort

1:02:43

of a world but yeah I

1:02:45

mean if the reptile people like

1:02:47

it does it gets a bit

1:02:49

reptile when you get down to

1:02:51

the little body fat percentage David

1:02:53

Ike I saw something he got

1:02:56

upset that I've never had him

1:02:58

on the show and it's just

1:03:00

the reptile stuff it's just the

1:03:02

the shape shifter stuff I would

1:03:04

still have them on I would

1:03:06

still have them on I think

1:03:08

fascinating to just to try to

1:03:10

try to try to try to

1:03:12

pick some of those ideas believe

1:03:14

in the ideas. What's interesting is

1:03:16

how does somebody arrive at them?

1:03:18

That's what's fascinating to me. When

1:03:20

I do my show, I speak

1:03:22

to someone. I'm like, I want

1:03:24

to understand the psychology of how

1:03:26

you have arrived at this particular

1:03:28

position. Well, imagine if it's real.

1:03:31

I mean, if shapeshifters were real,

1:03:33

if there really are evil reptilian

1:03:35

aliens and they've infiltrated our society

1:03:37

and they've been pulling the strings

1:03:39

forever, and only a couple of

1:03:41

people know. How ridiculous would that

1:03:43

idea be? How ridiculous? It would

1:03:45

be so ridiculous. But is an

1:03:47

alien, shape-shifter reptile person? Is that

1:03:49

any weirder than the most recent

1:03:51

theory that our entire universe is

1:03:53

taking place inside of a black

1:03:55

hole that's in another universe? Yeah,

1:03:57

there's recent calculations that are leading

1:03:59

these... I guess it would be

1:04:01

astrophysicists, like who would be studying

1:04:03

this? To believe, see if you

1:04:05

can find it Jamie, it's the

1:04:08

most bizarre headline. Because you're like,

1:04:10

what the fuck are you? saying

1:04:12

like the whole universe is inside

1:04:14

of a black hole new NASA

1:04:16

data hints we could be living

1:04:18

inside a black hole great now

1:04:20

is that isn't that weirder than

1:04:22

reptile people because reptile people is

1:04:24

the two choices reptile people's not

1:04:26

that weird right like octopi have

1:04:28

the ability to completely transform their

1:04:30

appearance and instantaneously adapt to an

1:04:32

environment Why wouldn't we assume to

1:04:34

some super advanced species from another

1:04:36

planet that would be we would

1:04:38

be horrified if we saw their

1:04:40

real face? They just transform and

1:04:43

look like the Queen of England.

1:04:45

Yeah, and go sideways like that.

1:04:47

Do you know what a Boltzmann

1:04:49

brain is? Have you ever heard

1:04:51

of this? No. Okay, so in

1:04:53

an infinite universe, infinite, there is

1:04:55

only, let's say the size of

1:04:57

your brain. It's like, whatever. 20

1:04:59

centimeters cubed or something, maybe 30

1:05:01

centimeters cubed, inside that space there's

1:05:03

only so many ways that you

1:05:05

can put matter together so that

1:05:07

it creates anything. There's a limited

1:05:09

number of ways that matter can

1:05:11

come together with different elements, different

1:05:13

structures, different everything like that. So

1:05:15

Boltzmann brain suggests that across an

1:05:18

infinite universe there will be a

1:05:20

brain the exact same as yours,

1:05:22

the exact structure is yours that

1:05:24

comes into existence for a moment

1:05:26

and then goes away. that you

1:05:28

could be experiencing the world that

1:05:30

you are now all of your

1:05:32

memories your past your history the

1:05:34

person you think you are is

1:05:36

that you were a boltsman brain

1:05:38

that just comes into existence and

1:05:40

then goes oh why do you

1:05:42

come into existence and then go

1:05:44

away why don't you just exist

1:05:46

somewhere else you could exist somewhere

1:05:48

else but this brain appears just

1:05:50

spontaneously because in an infinite universe

1:05:52

there is only so many different

1:05:55

ways that you can piece matter

1:05:57

together right and it means that

1:05:59

if you it's the monkeys typewriter

1:06:01

thing to the exact same as

1:06:03

that but for the way that

1:06:05

matter is constructed it's basically like

1:06:07

a brain in a VAT idea

1:06:09

but using infinite physics to kind

1:06:11

of explain it the way was

1:06:13

explained to me is that if

1:06:15

the universe is truly infinite Not

1:06:17

only is there another version of

1:06:19

you somewhere. But there is another

1:06:21

version of you that did the

1:06:23

exact same thing you have done

1:06:25

every step of the way every

1:06:27

time you sneezed Every hesitation before

1:06:30

you spoke your mind every time

1:06:32

you almost went into traffic when

1:06:34

you didn't realize their light was

1:06:36

still red all of those things

1:06:38

have happened in the exact same

1:06:40

order an infinite number of times

1:06:42

and every possible conceivable variation. That

1:06:44

you want red instead of blue?

1:06:46

Yep. That you turned left instead

1:06:48

of right? Yep. Went trans instead

1:06:50

of straight? All of it. All

1:06:52

of it. That you live in

1:06:54

a totalitarian environment, that you live

1:06:56

in a utopia, that you know,

1:06:58

the Germans won the war, that

1:07:00

yeah, all that, everything. everything that

1:07:02

could possibly be different would be

1:07:04

different in every possible scenario. That's

1:07:07

what infinite means. It means it's

1:07:09

so vast. Like the craziest one

1:07:11

to me was the concept that

1:07:13

inside every galaxy, in the center

1:07:15

of our galaxy, is a supermassive

1:07:17

black hole, and that supermassive black

1:07:19

hole is approximately one half of

1:07:21

one percent of the mass, the

1:07:23

entire galaxy. If you go into

1:07:25

that supermassive black hole, so there's

1:07:27

hundreds of billions of galaxies, right?

1:07:29

inside that supermassive black hole is

1:07:31

in entirely another universe filled with

1:07:33

unit with with all sorts of

1:07:35

different galaxies that have supermassive black

1:07:37

holes in them you go into

1:07:39

one of those another universe filled

1:07:42

supermassive black holes another universe filled

1:07:44

all supermassive black holes each one

1:07:46

another universe It's just a winsip

1:07:48

file all the way down. Well

1:07:50

why is that weirder than the

1:07:52

universe is infinite? Why is that

1:07:54

weirder? I mean, just the weirdness

1:07:56

of what it is is so

1:07:58

fucking insane. The idea that it's

1:08:00

infinite or that there's an infinite

1:08:02

multiverses, an infinite versions of these

1:08:04

things inside black holes. and in

1:08:06

all sorts of ways that we

1:08:08

haven't even really figured out yet.

1:08:10

That's not that much weirder than

1:08:12

what's real. What's real is insane.

1:08:14

What's real is that the whole

1:08:16

thing was smaller than the head

1:08:19

of a pen, and for no

1:08:21

understandable reason, it expanded instantaneously and

1:08:23

became the universe that you see

1:08:25

in the sky today. Okay. What

1:08:27

the fuck are you saying? Like,

1:08:29

Montana had a great line about

1:08:31

that, that science requires of you

1:08:33

but one miracle. The big bag.

1:08:35

It's a miracle. It's a, what

1:08:37

is it if it's not that?

1:08:39

I mean, it's a thing of

1:08:41

science, yes. Okay, so if you

1:08:43

can study all of the matter

1:08:45

and you study all of the

1:08:47

forces and all the energy and

1:08:49

all the reasons why matter coalesces

1:08:51

or matter expands, yes, you could

1:08:54

probably, given enough time and enough

1:08:56

quantum computing power, figure out what's

1:08:58

causing everything to compress down small

1:09:00

than the head of a pin

1:09:02

and then explode. But... It's still

1:09:04

crazy. It's, it's, even if you

1:09:06

can, you had some scientific explanation

1:09:08

for it. It's fucking insane. I

1:09:10

got into super voids. So there's,

1:09:12

the buetto's super void. So areas

1:09:14

of the universe that have big

1:09:16

absences of matter, way more than

1:09:18

there should be. And the, yeah.

1:09:20

the bewetto super void is the

1:09:22

biggest one. I think a ton

1:09:24

six one one eight or something

1:09:26

is one of the biggest stars

1:09:29

or one of the biggest black

1:09:31

holes and then this bewetto super

1:09:33

void is because you would expect

1:09:35

homogeneity yeah across the universe things

1:09:37

would be distributed pretty evenly. So

1:09:39

what's this big hole here? Jamie

1:09:41

can you try and find a

1:09:43

boob? Boot is beweta's super void

1:09:45

thing videos that show you the

1:09:47

size of earth and the size

1:09:49

of our sun and the size

1:09:51

of other sons You realize just

1:09:53

how fucking insignificant you get to

1:09:55

sons that are as big as

1:09:57

our galaxy Yeah. What the fuck?

1:09:59

Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if

1:10:01

there's sun's that big, but there's definitely

1:10:04

sun's as big as our solar system.

1:10:06

Well, looking at the night sky gives

1:10:08

you a really wonderful piece of perspective.

1:10:10

Right. It reminds you just how puny

1:10:13

and insignificant you are. I think that's

1:10:15

a giant problem with our societies that

1:10:17

light pollution keeps us from seeing that

1:10:19

all the time. The mysterious hole in

1:10:22

the universe that's billions of times larger

1:10:24

than the Milky way. So

1:10:27

go one left list of voids.

1:10:29

Yeah, that one just big holes.

1:10:31

Yeah, so you should not have

1:10:33

it should be more evenly

1:10:35

distributed. Yeah, and yeah, the

1:10:38

buetto is void, you know,

1:10:40

this huge lack Yeah, in the

1:10:42

middle of it's so cool. Imagine

1:10:44

you take a left turn a spaceship

1:10:46

and fuck not here not the

1:10:49

buetto super void not again. And

1:10:51

then god damn it You can't

1:10:53

land for a hundred million years.

1:10:55

Yeah, dude I had a I

1:10:57

had Matthew McConaughey on the show

1:10:59

toward the back end of last

1:11:02

year and we talked about interstellar's

1:11:04

10th year anniversary That show is

1:11:06

still that that movie is still

1:11:08

my favorite movie of all time.

1:11:10

It's an amazing movie I just

1:11:12

saw it again like a couple weeks

1:11:15

ago. Me too. It was incredible. It's

1:11:17

so good. It's so weird such a

1:11:19

weird movie. Nolan's a fucking king. He's

1:11:22

a wizard He's a What is the Odyssey?

1:11:24

Like the Homer? Like the... Oh God,

1:11:26

really? I don't know. I don't know

1:11:29

that story either, so I'm kind of...

1:11:31

Yeah, I don't either. Part of me

1:11:33

knows that I should have read it,

1:11:35

and part of me is glad that

1:11:38

I didn't, so I get to... I

1:11:40

don't know how it finishes. I don't

1:11:42

know how it finishes. I don't know

1:11:44

how it ends. Yeah. Yeah. I think

1:11:46

I probably read it in high

1:11:49

school. Why because of Matt Damon? No, because

1:11:51

that's not what the armor would have looked like

1:11:53

apparently. He wouldn't have been able to see his

1:11:55

face apparently. Oh really? Yeah, but not if

1:11:57

you make a movie movie. Yeah, exactly. So

1:11:59

like, that's there. Combining already. Oh, so

1:12:01

light, I think you. Yeah, you

1:12:04

can't always be historically accurate, I

1:12:06

guess. Yeah, but that's all I

1:12:08

got so far. Cast and Tom

1:12:10

Holland, Robert Patinson. Nice. Absolutely stacked.

1:12:12

Did you see Matt Damon do

1:12:14

Schultz's trailer? Yes, I did. Yeah.

1:12:16

So fucking good. Yeah. I have

1:12:18

to say, man, that, uh, Schultz's

1:12:20

most recent special is one of

1:12:22

the best things. I got a

1:12:24

shout out Andrew Shaw, like that

1:12:26

was one of the best things

1:12:28

that I've seen in so long.

1:12:30

I thought it was fucking phenomenal.

1:12:32

It made me cry when I

1:12:34

saw it live here in Austin

1:12:36

twice. I cried twice. Wow. And

1:12:38

then I saw it again before

1:12:40

I had him on the show

1:12:42

the other week. I was like

1:12:44

in the back of an Uber

1:12:46

and like trying to not let

1:12:48

the taxi driver see that I'm

1:12:50

welling up. He's talking about, it's

1:12:53

just so lovely. And... him talking

1:12:55

about his experience trying to get

1:12:57

pregnant and all of that stuff

1:12:59

caused me to go and get

1:13:01

a get sperm count done. I'm

1:13:03

not trying to get anybody pregnant

1:13:05

at the moment. But how old

1:13:07

are you? 37. Do you have

1:13:09

a number where you'd like to

1:13:11

start breeding? Breeding. Within the next

1:13:13

few years, I want to start

1:13:15

a family soon. But the gal?

1:13:17

Yeah, the moment. Yeah, I do.

1:13:19

How long you've been with this

1:13:21

gal? Six months? Do you ever

1:13:23

go on a trip with him?

1:13:25

Well, I think the six months

1:13:27

might be a little bit early

1:13:29

just yet. No, if you want

1:13:31

to find out what's up, you

1:13:33

got to go on a trip.

1:13:35

Oh, you mean to work out

1:13:37

compatibility? Yeah, you got to see

1:13:39

how they deal with travel, how

1:13:41

they deal with stress, how they

1:13:44

deal with restaurant. What is it?

1:13:46

Can they keep up their act

1:13:48

when you're with them 24 hours

1:13:50

a day for weeks at a

1:13:52

time? It was when I actually

1:13:54

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1:15:54

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1:15:56

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1:16:02

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all the time. Because people put

1:16:06

on a show, they put on

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a show, you're a handsome guy,

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1:16:13

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something that you would love. And

1:16:17

then maybe they have ideas of

1:16:19

morphing you and changing you over

1:16:21

time, you know, like you get

1:16:23

a car. I think it's pretty

1:16:25

good, but I like to update

1:16:27

the engine. I do some shit

1:16:29

that the tires, maybe change the

1:16:31

way the interior looks. You start

1:16:33

changing it. And then all of

1:16:35

a sudden Chris is wearing different

1:16:37

clothes. What's going on Chris? Gotta

1:16:39

be careful. I put these glasses

1:16:41

on, that's why I happen. But

1:16:43

yeah, I decided to go and

1:16:45

get a sperm count thing done.

1:16:47

You know what a varicus seal

1:16:49

is? No. from your balls. They

1:16:51

can form in a way where

1:16:53

they just don't get rid of

1:16:55

the heat that efficiently. Not enough.

1:16:57

And it's in 15% of men,

1:16:59

so it's super super common, but

1:17:02

50% of men that go to

1:17:04

urologists have got this. And I

1:17:06

go in and I've had these

1:17:08

balls my entire life. I've had

1:17:10

these balls, my entire life. I've

1:17:12

had these balls, since puberty and

1:17:14

I found out at the age

1:17:16

of 36. Oh, you've got a

1:17:18

medium varicus seal. So the mad

1:17:20

thing about this is, you'll know

1:17:22

this, if you take testosterone it

1:17:24

plummets your sperm count. So typically

1:17:26

testosterone and sperm kind of work

1:17:28

against each other in that kind

1:17:30

of a direction. This is the

1:17:32

one thing where if you get

1:17:34

it fixed, both go up. So

1:17:36

the mean change in testosterone is

1:17:38

180 points. How do they fix

1:17:40

it? They just, it's surgery, it's

1:17:42

a small surgery where they do

1:17:44

an incision in your groin and

1:17:46

they just fix the vasculature. Balls

1:17:48

and surgery are two things that

1:17:50

I don't like together. I like

1:17:53

both of them. I don't think

1:17:55

they should be... the twain she'll

1:17:57

meet? Yeah. Ball surgery is scary.

1:17:59

Do you know that if you

1:18:01

get your, you can get a

1:18:03

dick transplant, if like you lose

1:18:05

your dick, but you cannot get

1:18:07

ball transplants? You know why? No.

1:18:09

Because you will carry the DNA

1:18:11

of the original person. So say

1:18:13

if I die and you get

1:18:15

my balls, you will have my

1:18:17

DNA, you will have my kids.

1:18:19

So why can't I have your

1:18:21

balls? Well, you could if I

1:18:23

gave you permission, maybe, but it's

1:18:25

unethical. Why don't we swap one

1:18:27

ball each? It sounds like tossing

1:18:29

a point. See who's kids make

1:18:31

it? And then we do a

1:18:33

DNA test. Lesty, leftie was the

1:18:35

one that came out that day.

1:18:37

What the fuck? Come out speaking

1:18:39

British. Like I love you so

1:18:42

much I want to swap a

1:18:44

ball with you. Yep. And we

1:18:46

both don't know which one is

1:18:48

going to be today. You never

1:18:50

know. It's like because I had

1:18:52

a gay couple that were friends

1:18:54

that lived down the street for

1:18:56

me and they had a kid

1:18:58

with a surrogate and they shot

1:19:00

their jiz and do a cup

1:19:02

and mixed it up. So they

1:19:04

didn't know who's going to be

1:19:06

the one who has the kid.

1:19:08

Yeah. Two men one cup. They

1:19:10

had to do it twice too

1:19:12

because the first time the lady

1:19:14

kept the lady kept the kid.

1:19:16

They paid her they did the

1:19:18

whole thing at the end of

1:19:20

it. She decided she wanted to

1:19:22

keep the baby. The ethics of

1:19:24

surrogacy are really interesting It's weird.

1:19:26

It's a weird thing you're hiring

1:19:28

someone to take to have your

1:19:30

baby for you and then wealthy

1:19:33

people are doing it so they

1:19:35

don't get their cooch stretched out

1:19:37

That was the Kardashian approach allegedly,

1:19:39

that's why she did it. Well,

1:19:41

maybe she's didn't want to carry

1:19:43

babies anymore. She had a couple

1:19:45

of them the normal way and

1:19:47

then but it's like so much

1:19:49

of what the child experiences in

1:19:51

the womb it like leads to

1:19:53

this i would imagine this bonding

1:19:55

thing with the woman the babies

1:19:57

inside of you you remember feeling

1:19:59

the baby inside of you grows

1:20:01

inside of you then it comes

1:20:03

out of you and you raise

1:20:05

it and it breastfeeding it's like

1:20:07

this bond is I understand surrogacy

1:20:09

if someone can't get pregnant, if

1:20:11

this is the only way you

1:20:13

can have kids. I'm not saying

1:20:15

don't do it, but I'm saying

1:20:17

it's fucking strange. because this other

1:20:19

person is whatever anxiety they have

1:20:22

fear their cortisol levels if they

1:20:24

have domestic abuse in their house

1:20:26

like all that information is being

1:20:28

transferred to the child pregnancy doesn't

1:20:30

just make a kid it also

1:20:32

makes a mother yeah and uh...

1:20:34

it's dangerous i'm so conflict i

1:20:36

mean test you babies what happens

1:20:38

if we can just create artificial

1:20:40

wounds you know it's something that's

1:20:42

weird i know that people don't

1:20:44

get they don't choose to be

1:20:46

born But somebody chooses whether or

1:20:48

not these two sets of DNA

1:20:50

are going to come together If

1:20:52

you've just got sperm donor after

1:20:54

sperm donor and egg donor after

1:20:56

egg donor and artificial wounds gets

1:20:58

to the stage where people kind

1:21:00

of aren't choosing Who's coming into

1:21:02

reality that much anymore? Well, that

1:21:04

is definitely the future I mean,

1:21:06

look at plummeting sperm counts, look

1:21:08

at rising miscarriage rates, look at

1:21:11

the problems that people are having

1:21:13

with microplastics and the disruption of

1:21:15

the endocrine system and pesticides and

1:21:17

herbicides and all these different ubiquitous

1:21:19

chemicals that are affecting people's sperm

1:21:21

counts and fertility. It's a real

1:21:23

factor and it's plummeting. If you

1:21:25

look at the... human beings from

1:21:27

the last 60-70 years and you

1:21:29

look at males in America where

1:21:31

the sperm count used to be

1:21:33

where it is now. It's rapidly

1:21:35

decreasing. There's a lot of factors,

1:21:37

sedentary lifestyle, processed foods, but there's

1:21:39

also environmental factors that seem to

1:21:41

be altering the actual way a

1:21:43

child develops in the womb. And

1:21:45

this is Dr. Shana Swan's work.

1:21:47

Countdown. Yeah, which is an incredible

1:21:49

book, but it's just an incredible...

1:21:51

fact that the plastics that we

1:21:53

use from microwave foods and water

1:21:55

bottles and all that stuff is

1:21:57

literally Changing the development of children.

1:21:59

It's changing the size of their

1:22:02

testicles the size of their penises

1:22:04

the A, no genital distance. Yeah,

1:22:06

yeah, the tank shrinks. It's really

1:22:08

crazy stuff and it replicates what

1:22:10

happens in mammals when they do

1:22:12

these studies with rats and hamsters

1:22:14

and same things happen. A third

1:22:16

of all children globally are going

1:22:18

to be obese by 2050. Jesus.

1:22:20

That's the current trajectory and one

1:22:22

billion people worldwide are obese. So

1:22:24

the number one. Form of malnutrition

1:22:26

globally is obesity not starvation. There's

1:22:28

twice as many people that are

1:22:31

obese than a starving That's crazy

1:22:33

if that's not a comment on

1:22:35

problems of abundance as opposed to

1:22:38

problems of scarcity Yeah, it's not

1:22:40

even abundance though. It's the food

1:22:42

is so calorie-rich and filled with

1:22:44

shit you know that you just you just

1:22:46

you get so fat so quick like if

1:22:48

you're eating nothing but junk food and drinking

1:22:51

nothing but soda as I sit here with

1:22:53

a large diet Coke which I usually don't

1:22:55

drink but I do occasionally that is like

1:22:57

a diet Coke at least doesn't have the

1:23:00

calories but if you're having a large Coke

1:23:02

like that like if you have a Coke

1:23:04

like this what is this a leader this is

1:23:06

probably a leader 750 maybe or a leader

1:23:09

yeah it's a leader so how much sugar is

1:23:11

in one leader of coke cola cola cola

1:23:13

Let's find that out. But there's

1:23:15

nothing in that one, right? Which

1:23:17

is why it's a diet. Yeah.

1:23:20

It's just brain cancer. Donald

1:23:22

Rumsfeld approved brain cancer. Yeah.

1:23:24

94.7 grams of sugar. 94.7

1:23:26

grams. And people polished these

1:23:29

things off every day. Someone's

1:23:31

polishing off a two-liter amount

1:23:33

and do listen to this

1:23:35

as we speak. So that's

1:23:38

probably double that. So that's

1:23:40

hundreds. hundreds of grams of

1:23:42

sugar. The big gulps. The

1:23:45

average American is fatter than

1:23:47

the average American pig now.

1:23:49

It's true, it's true. Average

1:23:52

American man, 28% body fat,

1:23:54

average American woman, 40% body

1:23:56

fat, average American pig, 15

1:23:58

to 20. 25% body fat. Oh

1:24:00

my God. Yep. I would have thought it would

1:24:02

be higher than 28% I think we're doing pretty

1:24:04

good. For guys? Yeah. Yeah. Well I guess it's it's

1:24:07

offset by like Brian Johnson and all

1:24:09

of the osmic people that are just

1:24:11

shredded and super shredded. Yeah exactly. And

1:24:13

then there was that that other thing

1:24:16

about you're talking about kids. It's some

1:24:18

huge percentage of 18 to 24 year

1:24:20

olds couldn't join the military. Like 70%

1:24:22

because of mental health or obesity or

1:24:25

drug use or something and half of

1:24:27

them had two or more of these

1:24:29

excuses for why you couldn't do it.

1:24:31

And I think if you track over

1:24:34

time the amount of military service that

1:24:36

people have had so much less, it's

1:24:38

so much less and I wonder how

1:24:40

many of the issues that we're seeing,

1:24:43

even women being attracted to guys, I

1:24:45

think that what you want to do

1:24:47

as a guy is trying to signal...

1:24:49

Again, the same is going to the gym.

1:24:51

Reliable, orderly, conscientious, can be on time, I

1:24:54

can do hard things. This is one of

1:24:56

the proposed explanations for the baby boom was

1:24:58

that a lot of men that did come

1:25:00

back from war were signaling their eligibility, signaling

1:25:03

how reliable they could be, and it made

1:25:05

it easier for women to be attracted in

1:25:07

that way. That makes sense. I mean, imagine

1:25:09

a woman, you're going to get pregnant, and

1:25:12

so you're going to be, you could work

1:25:14

for a little while, but towards the end

1:25:16

you're not going to be able to work,

1:25:18

and then after the child's going to be

1:25:21

very difficult to work. So you're reliant

1:25:23

on this other person. That like how well

1:25:25

do you know this person? Did you do

1:25:27

that 10 day vacation? Jamaica with that guy?

1:25:29

Did you go? Did you drive from Montego

1:25:31

Bay to Kingston twice in bad traffic? Do

1:25:33

you know what happens when he makes mistakes?

1:25:35

Does he blame other people or does it

1:25:37

does he apologize? Like what who is he? You

1:25:39

know, because all that shit's going to come

1:25:41

up when you get four hours sleep because

1:25:44

the baby's crying and then, you know, maybe

1:25:46

he doesn't like his job anymore and he

1:25:48

wants to quit and you're like, you can't

1:25:50

quit motherfucker. You have to feed us. You

1:25:52

have to take care of a family now.

1:25:55

You're not going to just quit. What are

1:25:57

you talking about? You don't like your job?

1:25:59

Show up! And I can't imagine

1:26:01

relying on another person like that.

1:26:03

I mean, this is why women are

1:26:05

so picky. Like, when you see that

1:26:07

80% of the women are attracted to

1:26:09

20% of the men. And that's

1:26:11

what that is. What did you expect?

1:26:14

What did you expect? It's hard

1:26:16

to have your shit together. It's

1:26:18

hard to be kicking ass in

1:26:20

this fucking complicated bizarre world

1:26:22

that we live in. It's

1:26:24

hard. So for a woman...

1:26:26

Of course, they're gonna grab...

1:26:28

What about personality? Yeah, you're

1:26:30

a fucking lazy bitch. That's

1:26:32

part of your personality. Part

1:26:34

of the reason why you're

1:26:36

not successful at 40 years

1:26:38

of age has to be you. Has to

1:26:40

be. Some of it has to be.

1:26:43

I mean, it could be a fucking

1:26:45

avalanche of bad luck. One thing after

1:26:47

the other, but... I would like to

1:26:49

see that you're making progress towards a

1:26:51

better direction, but if you're stuck in

1:26:54

this mode of, if you're stuck in

1:26:56

this mindset of, you know, the world

1:26:58

fucks me over, it's like never gonna...

1:27:00

No one's gonna want to be with

1:27:02

you. No one's gonna want to have

1:27:04

children with you. No one's gonna want

1:27:07

to have children with you. No

1:27:09

one's gonna be willing to rely in

1:27:11

you to support a family. Like you

1:27:13

have to get your shit together. Ooh, you

1:27:15

know, you got a good body.

1:27:18

A lot of that's genetics too. You

1:27:20

know, like what they like

1:27:22

and what they don't like

1:27:24

is mostly about breeding. It's

1:27:26

mostly about, is this person

1:27:28

reliable to breed with? It's

1:27:31

interesting to think about the, you

1:27:33

mentioned all your own about. Going

1:27:35

to the gym is right wing and liking

1:27:37

fast cars is right wing and all the

1:27:39

rest of it the number of liberal women

1:27:41

that are struggling I think to find an

1:27:43

eligible partner is going up Because they just

1:27:45

can't find a guy that will hold the

1:27:47

door open for them that will treat them

1:27:49

like a lady that will try and be

1:27:51

the protector provider pro-creator thing you

1:27:54

go You're talking about a conservative

1:27:56

you're talking about somebody who's more

1:27:58

traditional in that way and I get worried I sort

1:28:00

of talk a lot about this stuff on the

1:28:02

show and I get worried about not helping men

1:28:04

to improve in this sort of zero-sum

1:28:06

view of empathy, that if you give some

1:28:09

attention to men and the way that they're

1:28:11

struggling, that it takes it away from some

1:28:13

other more deserving group. So a lot of

1:28:15

the time, if someone's falling behind

1:28:18

50 years ago, Title IX gets

1:28:20

introduced for women, it's not if

1:28:22

women in higher education, there's not

1:28:25

if women expediting them through socioeconomic

1:28:27

status. 50 years later, they've blown

1:28:29

the fucking roof off the glass

1:28:32

ceiling. It doesn't exist. Two women

1:28:34

for every one man completing a

1:28:36

four-year US college degree by 2030.

1:28:39

Women earn way more than men do

1:28:41

in their 20s. Way more. And now, how

1:28:43

are you, it's going to be difficult

1:28:45

for you to find an eligible

1:28:47

partner as you begin to climb

1:28:49

up your own socio-economic ladder as

1:28:51

you get higher and higher up.

1:28:53

You look across and there are

1:28:55

fewer and fewer men over there. If

1:28:57

a group is falling behind in society,

1:29:00

we don't tell them to pick themselves

1:29:02

up by their bootstraps. We spend billions

1:29:04

of money in taxpayer-funded charities and

1:29:07

think tanks to try and work

1:29:09

out what's going on and to

1:29:11

try and bring them along for the

1:29:13

ride. That's not happening with men

1:29:15

because vestigially for so long men

1:29:18

had it so good. And now it's, I don't

1:29:20

know, it feels like twisting the knife in

1:29:22

some sort of karmic retribution in a

1:29:24

way. Like this is penance. that you're

1:29:26

paying but a lot of guys you

1:29:28

can look at the number of CEOs

1:29:30

and sure guys that outperform on the

1:29:32

top end yep But that's not necessarily

1:29:34

due to privilege, it's because putting yourself

1:29:36

in that position to do what you

1:29:39

need to do to get yourself to

1:29:41

the position of being a founder, being

1:29:43

a CEO, having running a successful company,

1:29:45

is so fucking insane that most women

1:29:47

would just choose to not go and

1:29:49

do that. You're talking about outliers. Evolutionary

1:29:51

psychology says that men and natures play

1:29:53

things, that there's more variability. There's more

1:29:56

male geniuses, but there's also more male

1:29:58

retards. And it's all male retards. and

1:30:00

Jeff Basos and Elon Musk and all

1:30:02

the rest of it, that doesn't help

1:30:04

the guy who is really struggling and

1:30:06

has had that run of bad luck

1:30:09

and has been really struggling trying to

1:30:11

work on himself. And yeah, if women

1:30:13

have a problem a lot of the

1:30:15

time, we say what can we do

1:30:18

to fix society? Any other group? But

1:30:20

if men are struggling, we say what

1:30:22

is it that men are doing where

1:30:24

they can't fix themselves? And in some

1:30:27

ways that's inspiring. Like guys want that

1:30:29

sense of like I can do this.

1:30:31

But it denies that the structural problems,

1:30:33

I think the education system for young

1:30:35

boys is really, really tough getting them

1:30:38

to sit in a classroom still for

1:30:40

six hours a day. It seems like

1:30:42

females are just better at doing that.

1:30:44

Young girls are more effective at a

1:30:47

sort of brain-based economy, highlighting and planning

1:30:49

ahead of the homework that they've got

1:30:51

to do and the assignments and stuff

1:30:53

like that. And you just roll that

1:30:55

forward. Two women for every one man,

1:30:58

completing a four-year college degree. I'm not

1:31:00

saying, let's rip women out of the

1:31:02

classroom and out of the boardroom and

1:31:04

put them back into the kitchen, like,

1:31:07

obviously not. Obviously that's not what either

1:31:09

of us are saying. What do you

1:31:11

think is the cause of it? Like,

1:31:13

what do you think is the reason

1:31:15

why more men aren't succeeding in getting

1:31:18

college degrees and more men aren't going

1:31:20

out and making as much money in

1:31:22

their 20s? I think that the current

1:31:24

environment does not necessarily lend itself to

1:31:27

the disposition that men have got. they're

1:31:29

less conscientious than women from a personality

1:31:31

standpoint on average. That means that it's

1:31:33

really difficult comparatively on average for you

1:31:35

to be able to remind yourself that

1:31:38

you need to do the sort of

1:31:40

homework. Men have more predisposed to addiction,

1:31:42

they're more predisposed to using recreational drugs,

1:31:44

they're more predisposed to being in jail,

1:31:47

all of the sort of gang stuff

1:31:49

that people get drawn into. It's just

1:31:51

more likely for guys. There are more

1:31:53