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LinkedIn.com/results. Terms and conditions apply. Welcome

1:11

to the Lacey CEO

1:13

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1:16

Join my conversations with

1:18

the entrepreneurs behind the

1:20

iconic brands we all

1:22

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1:24

back to part two

1:27

of our 100th episode.

1:29

Celebration! Whoo! Technically 101

1:31

now. We are interviewing

1:33

your favorite beloved podcast

1:35

host. Me! It's been

1:37

riveting, we've been hanging

1:39

on by the edge of our seats. All right, jump

1:41

right on. Not you, she's like literally

1:43

coming, she's like, these seats are so

1:46

uncomfortable, I'm sinking in, this is not

1:48

flattering. I'm not on the edge of

1:50

the seat, I'm well inside the curves

1:52

of the seat. She's like sucked in.

1:54

Hot tip for anyone ever sitting on

1:56

a panel, you want to sit on

1:58

the edge of the seat with your

2:00

bum just perched and then... sit really

2:02

straight and let's see. Anyhow, all right,

2:04

did have to do very little preparation

2:07

for this because you guys all sent

2:09

these amazing questions via Jane's Instagram. So

2:11

want to start off with a really

2:13

big one, which is what is

2:15

the most unconventional piece of advice

2:17

that you've ever received in business,

2:20

Jane? I think everyone knows that you're

2:22

not special. Should I re-tell it?

2:24

100%? I don't, who is everyone?

2:27

No way. So go. Yes. This

2:29

is actually from my then boyfriend,

2:31

now husband, and our CEO and

2:33

general manager, is you're not special.

2:36

So basically, Waldi says this to me

2:38

whenever I'm in South Dow and I'm

2:40

like, I can't do this. Like, so

2:42

the first time he said it was when

2:45

we were, he was teaching me to drive

2:47

at the ripe old age of 26 of

2:49

26. And so, and then he had only

2:51

like a manual car. I'm like, oh, this

2:53

is too hard. I kept like, your clutch

2:56

is not stalling. I kept stalling. I'm like,

2:58

oh my God, for fuck sex. And then

3:00

I'm like, it's too hard. He's like, all

3:02

right, everyone in Europe can drive manual. What

3:05

makes you so special? You're not so special. get

3:07

over it you know he's just like get over

3:09

I'm not putting up with this shit of you

3:11

being like I can't do this and he says

3:13

this all the time to my mom as well

3:16

because she does she's like oh your dad does

3:18

like I can't do this everyone has their roles

3:20

it's like no my mom's like I can't put

3:22

the kid's seat belt on because she thinks the

3:25

fingers are not nimble enough I'm like What if

3:27

there was an emergency? You had to get the

3:29

kid out of the car. You think you would

3:31

think just learn how to do it. Anyway, so

3:34

that's going back to business. Yes, and

3:36

just to recap, because I really love

3:38

that, because you're not that special, doesn't

3:41

mean you are not special. It just

3:43

means it's actually an encouragement quote. It's

3:45

like if other people can do it,

3:47

you can do it too. Like that's

3:50

the thing over the weekend. I'm running

3:52

my own conference of like two thousand.

3:54

Plus as well, but like, I was

3:57

singing Beyonce on stage, but like

3:59

not singing. like bad wrapping. But anyway,

4:01

but I used to have a fear

4:03

of public speaking and that was another

4:05

time oldies like well you're not special

4:07

people do it because I kind of

4:09

got traumatized from a bad incident in

4:11

high school where we try to put

4:13

on the play at orientation which is

4:15

like orientation camp is where you first

4:17

really go on camp to meet everyone

4:19

and there was a talent show and

4:21

of all the things that we could

4:23

have done we did this play and

4:25

none of the things I said that

4:27

were meant to be jokes landed at

4:29

all so I had a huge fear

4:31

of it like I always looked at

4:33

people who were doing debating I was

4:35

like wow that's so clever that's so

4:37

funny like I wanted to do it

4:39

yeah I didn't have the balls to

4:41

do it definitely looked on with envy

4:43

looked at people who did great speeches

4:45

I'm like wow I love what a

4:47

good speech can do for the listener.

4:49

Never thought that would be me. But

4:51

then I think all of a sudden

4:54

when I business started doing well, there

4:56

was this opportunity to go on Sunrise.

4:58

We were on a panel of like

5:00

five essentially as like five young businesses

5:02

to watch. And you basically get, we

5:04

had a one-iron question. But I was

5:06

shooting myself. And then I knew that

5:08

at that point, I was like, wow,

5:10

like these opportunities can just come. You

5:12

don't want the first time. to be

5:14

something huge that you haven't had experience

5:16

in. So I'm like, we should just

5:18

go and get practice. I've gone on

5:20

a tangent about public speaking, but like,

5:22

no sorry, my point is it's like

5:24

you want to be able to like

5:26

practice, you want to have experience being

5:28

nervous, you want to have experience like

5:30

doing it before. But basically, what are

5:32

you telling me like, look, you're not

5:34

special, people do public speaking on the

5:36

time, you know, because I'm like, oh,

5:38

you know, people's biggest fear is public

5:40

speaking and like more than death. He's

5:42

like, yeah, well, well, well, well, well,

5:44

then everyone's got that, everyone's got that

5:46

fear, so, I love that so much.

5:48

There's so much in that around like

5:50

self-limiting beliefs. And I heard this really

5:52

wonderful thing where somebody was up for

5:54

promotion at work and they weren't ready

5:56

for it. And then the manager said,

5:58

well, if you really think you can't

6:00

do that, somebody else will get it.

6:02

This could be the person. How does

6:04

that feel? And the person immediately went,

6:06

well, hang on. If block can do

6:08

it, that felt worse, you know? Yeah.

6:10

So you just have to somehow find

6:12

that angle to push yourself through, say

6:14

yes, and commit to the discomfort, and

6:16

then if all fails and you're still

6:18

terrified, channel all these words, you're just

6:20

not that special. Yeah. Yes. If 100,000

6:22

other people can do it, you can

6:25

figure it out too. Yes. Don't limit

6:27

yourself. That... is an interesting question that

6:29

I have. But no, that leads to

6:31

another one. And I'm just linking this

6:33

up because everyone else is somehow doing

6:35

it, but it's still bloody hard is

6:37

the whole balancing act. So we're talking

6:39

work, career, being romantic with your partner,

6:41

having a family, having time for your

6:43

exercise regime. There was a lot of

6:45

questions that came through around how do

6:47

you do it all? How do you

6:49

balance it? I'm not sure there is

6:51

a balance it. But you're doing a

6:53

bloody good job. So talk us through

6:55

a. do you do feel like you're

6:57

doing it all? Definitely not and I

6:59

really want you to weigh in as

7:01

well because you know you are very

7:03

senior in your role and you have

7:05

two kids and you're just coming back

7:07

from Matleaves so like how are you

7:09

dealing with the juggle. And you're all

7:11

noticing how she's like flipping a question

7:13

around to buy herself time. But yes,

7:15

I've got a view on this that

7:17

like it's a little bit of like

7:19

work-life integration. There is no such thing

7:21

as work-life balance. I'm really trying to

7:23

make it work by going. So okay,

7:25

I work across multiple time zones. So

7:27

in the mornings when Australia's making up,

7:29

others aren't away awake. That is actually

7:31

when I can take it slow and

7:33

have breakfast with my kids and drop

7:35

them off with my kids and drop

7:37

them off myself to day. and then

7:39

I jump back on and close out

7:41

the day. So it's not the nine

7:43

to five concept of clear boundaries on

7:45

borders doesn't exist, but it's more like

7:47

a work-life integration. I still feel like

7:49

I never have enough time in my

7:51

day. I hate that feeling of there's

7:53

12 tabs open in my brain and

7:56

things not done. The multiple tabs is

7:58

like, I feel like everyone can probably

8:00

relate to that, regardless of whether they

8:02

have kids or not. I think it's

8:04

just at this age. I think it

8:06

is all about like, when you do

8:08

think you're naming one thing, you are

8:10

dropping another. And then you have to

8:12

just like, it's just this like adjustment

8:14

act, like literally recently, what he's like.

8:16

where was the last time we were

8:18

on date night? And it was our

8:20

anniversary in October, a wedding anniversary. And

8:22

it was like, oh, far out. So

8:24

now we've, we've had like three in

8:26

the last, you know. You're over competition.

8:28

I'm trying to make up a last

8:30

time. But it's like, and then you're

8:32

open, you know, I feel like you

8:34

do let things slip. And I feel

8:36

like sometimes with the kids, it's hard

8:38

because one thing I say, it's just

8:40

like, sometimes you get more instant gratification,

8:42

you get more instant gratification, you get

8:44

more instant gratification, It's so stupid that

8:46

like finishing your slack messages, having like

8:48

clearing all of your slack messages gives

8:50

you this instant gratification, but like really

8:52

you're just chatting about shit with your

8:54

colleagues sometimes, you know, like it's not

8:56

that important, you're not saving lives. That

8:58

is such an honest observation because I

9:00

think there's actually our research that shows

9:02

that endorphins get released when you finish

9:04

a task and so. It's that quick

9:06

stuff, but really your inbox, your slack

9:08

messages, that's someone else's to do list

9:10

or you just get sidetracked. You can

9:12

get caught all day just being on

9:14

slack or just chat, like talking about

9:16

work. When the really big important stuff,

9:18

that's not necessarily urgent. But it's so

9:20

critical that you put the big blocks

9:22

in first. So talk us through, like

9:24

how does the lazy CEO, that is

9:27

literally your hack in life, kind of

9:29

work that out. What are the rituals

9:31

or habits that you have to make

9:33

it somehow all work? So it doesn't

9:35

fall apart. Basically, Wildie's general manager, so

9:37

everyone writes priorities on a Monday and

9:39

send them to him. Yeah. All the

9:41

teams then. do their priorities for their

9:43

managers. And something well introduced like a

9:45

few months ago, I actually sent him

9:47

my priorities. And it actually does really

9:49

help keep me on track. I'm focusing

9:51

on the important things because then you

9:53

go, oh man, what happens more often

9:55

than not is like, I'm like, oh,

9:57

I didn't work on this thing that

9:59

I put at the top of my

10:01

list because I'm doing all these other

10:03

things. Then you go, okay, for sure,

10:05

I want to get the sun this

10:07

week. And then you do, you know,

10:09

like you go, when you miss like

10:11

an important task, you're like, okay, I'm

10:13

not going to let that happen again.

10:15

So that really helps. At the start

10:17

of the week, because then I'll also

10:19

do Gemma's priorities. So then I'll also

10:21

do Gemma's priorities and so then I'm

10:23

like making sure everyone is working on

10:25

things efficiently. I also like if I

10:27

need like any mill prep. that all

10:29

done. So I go into the week

10:31

running, like I don't need to like,

10:33

and I also plan my outfits. So

10:35

at the start of the, that's why

10:37

today it's like 30 degrees, but I'm

10:39

like, oh, I'm wearing like pant and

10:41

a jacket, like I've already got my

10:43

look, I'm not going to like, the

10:45

amount of time you spend on the

10:47

Saturday being like, what am I going

10:49

to wear? That is such a waste

10:51

of time. Oh and Baldy like Steve

10:53

Jobs. Wow we've just liked and Steve

10:55

Jobs you'll like that. Yeah that's where

10:58

he adds or Elizabeth Holmes but he

11:00

just you know it removes its decision

11:02

fatigue right he removes that whole outfit

11:04

decision out of his life but you

11:06

know as someone that runs the fashion

11:08

business I can't let myself go like

11:10

that. Anyway so I plan my whole

11:12

outfit out so I don't waste any

11:14

time at all during the week. Basically

11:16

everything gets planned at the start of

11:18

week and I just hit the ground

11:20

running. I love that so much and

11:22

I think that the fact that you're

11:24

essentially eating into your weekend because you're

11:26

doing it on the Sunday which a

11:28

lot of people still consider is their

11:30

weekend but you are so disciplined about

11:32

every aspect of your life not just

11:34

the work calendar that the private the

11:36

people that work with you that are

11:38

immediately influencing your success as well as

11:40

things as food or your outfits. It's

11:42

all taken care of. So on Sunday

11:44

night, you go to bed, you're like,

11:46

put that ring on, put that mask

11:48

on, I'm ready for the week. You

11:50

sleep better. But this is like, even

11:52

Gemma, she was like, she has time

11:54

in loop for helping at Bichcon. And

11:56

she's like, oh, I'm not gonna, she

11:58

was gonna take it on Monday when

12:00

I'm gonna be on the plane. She's

12:02

like, I'm not going to be able

12:04

to relax. I have all this work.

12:06

I'm going to take it on a

12:08

different, she's like, I'm moving it. You

12:10

know, like you can't actually relax and

12:12

enjoy yourself if you're just not kind

12:14

of like set up. But so even,

12:16

so normally what I do is when

12:18

I say I manage my calendar, I

12:20

also do what's called time blocking. So

12:22

I put in all my tasks. Now

12:24

because I'm like trying to plan for

12:27

next week, I never forget tasks, but

12:29

I forgot. actually put that task to

12:31

prepare for this in my calendar, although

12:33

I think I'm doing pretty well, but

12:35

like if I put that in my

12:37

calendar during the day when I was

12:39

actually getting my hair down, I would

12:41

have shoveled things around and like move

12:43

things around to make sure it happened.

12:45

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12:49

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realizing something was missed. This is unexpected.

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Curveball. And you reframed, you kind of

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14:23

a famous Iron Man that said, the

14:25

conditions are always perfect. You just meant,

14:28

this is how it is now and

14:30

I can work with that. Yes. I

14:32

love how you just, you snap yourself

14:35

out of the pain. You feel the

14:37

pain and then you move on. Yes.

14:39

To bring us to the last question

14:42

of this podcast. This one is actually

14:44

a bit heavy and I'm deeply curious

14:46

what your answer is. I can't believe

14:49

I've never thought about it, but do

14:51

you get trolled? And if so, how

14:53

do you deal with it? I don't

14:56

actually think I get trolled trolled. I

14:58

don't think so. I will say I

15:00

moderate a lot of the comments and

15:02

I often delete things. But what are

15:05

they? Because I know that's so beautiful.

15:07

Where were they before? It's a since

15:09

you started. Yeah, it's a Tiktok situation.

15:12

I don't think you get trolled. That's

15:14

not getting trolled. No, I was going

15:16

to say. I don't think you get

15:19

trolled. Yeah. I don't think you get

15:21

trolled in the scheme of things. I

15:23

think you get one or two few

15:26

comments that. or is spiteful for your

15:28

success? That's a massive one because... But

15:30

I want that 100%! That's what I'm

15:33

saying. It's really not troubling. It's almost

15:35

fueling the fire algorithm. Yeah. Oh my,

15:37

stop right here for one second and

15:40

then I want to hear what you're

15:42

going to say, Gemma, but this is

15:44

so interesting. Instead of letting it get

15:47

to you, your brains are naturally reframing

15:49

the validity of how much weight. going

15:51

to give this like you're saying actually

15:53

I do not care for the view

15:56

of this person therefore it's not even

15:58

trolling because you don't get to me

16:00

and secondly you are like you are

16:03

helping me because you're helping with my

16:05

engagement I am okay with that. That

16:07

is such a spectacular way of reframing.

16:10

No wonder you don't get trolled because

16:12

you're like, this isn't trolling, this is

16:14

helping me. Yeah, I think trolling is

16:17

like someone who's like, is someone who

16:19

follows you, knows who you are, and

16:21

then sees like I plot whole, you're

16:24

actually a dick. You know, like, like,

16:26

actually, I know her intimately, and she's

16:28

actually like this. That's trolling, I think,

16:31

in my opinion. They're not too serious,

16:33

right? Like, I'm not too serious, they're

16:35

not too serious, people who actually do

16:38

follow me. I remember the first time

16:40

I got a daily mail article, and

16:42

it was just like, literally just a

16:45

write-up about my story. And the comment

16:47

section, I don't know why I chose

16:49

to read it. It was so hilarious.

16:51

of poor and I'm creating jobs like

16:54

what I'm like oh my god you

16:56

know if this article had no comments

16:58

it means like no one has really

17:01

read it the fact that it's gone

17:03

so far and wide it's gone to

17:05

not just people who go oh I

17:08

know Jane Lou I've heard of Schopper

17:10

I want to read about her article

17:12

it's gone to like the rando's out

17:15

there who are like oh that's interesting

17:17

that means the reach is far and

17:19

wide I don't really honestly think this

17:22

far but this is what everyone says

17:24

is like if they're the type to

17:26

write things and what's wrong with them,

17:29

they're going through a lot more. Because

17:31

I don't feel trolled, I don't really

17:33

think that, but that does make a

17:36

lot of sense and that is a

17:38

really good point. Love that. Okay, so...

17:40

But also this is not an invitation

17:43

for people to troll me. I don't

17:45

like... You just like bring it. See

17:47

it. See it. There was a super

17:49

super nice insight so thank you so

17:52

much for sharing like I love the

17:54

worldly quote you know like you're just

17:56

not that special if you're doubting yourself

17:59

just push through and you know just

18:01

the say yes and do the things

18:03

early on that make you nervous because

18:06

they will give you experience for the

18:08

really big mega moments when it matters.

18:10

I love how disciplined you are around

18:13

on the Sunday you set up every

18:15

aspect of your life so you can

18:17

thrive in all areas. And then I

18:20

love the whole piece around how much

18:22

time and mental headspace you're giving the

18:24

negative energy that comes at you and

18:27

how you either very quickly reframe because

18:29

trolls are causing engagement. Thank you very

18:31

much. But also how you just have

18:34

a very level clear idea of that

18:36

person does not get to define who

18:38

I am. That was... Super special. Thank

18:40

you for sharing. I think everyone else

18:43

got a lot out of this as

18:45

well. What a great summary. I feel

18:47

like I, you know, I would probably...

18:50

You need you every episode just to

18:52

summarize. I'd be like, download transcript, upload

18:54

your chat DVD, give me this in

18:57

bullet points, but no. You just, you

18:59

just did it yourself under the car.

19:01

That's amazing. Well, honey fam, thank you

19:04

so much for sticking with me for

19:06

a hundred episodes. What a journey it's,

19:08

what a journey it's, what a journey

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it's, Feedback is a gift. We'll talk

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about that one day next time Jude's

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on we're going to talk about leadership

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and feedback. Anyway, thank you so much

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for the support. Thank you for listening

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and having me in your ears, all

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my nasally winding voice. Thank you so

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much and here's the next 100. And

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thank you Jude. Pleasure. Okay, that's it

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